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Brick Baby. I have to say so, I wasn't following you about a year ago, and you were trying to DM me, and I was already talking to ill Will about your music because he has sent me this maybe two year and a half. That's right when you got out, maybe right when you got out, but it Will was like sending me your and I sent it off to nima An Empire. You probably don't even know all this, But then I remember like seeing you pop up on somebody and I checked my DMS and you were banging
on me in the DM's dog. I bet keep that energy because I didn't see you dming.
Me, because I'm like, damn, KIV, you didn't made it. But but the whole thing was I ain't gonna lie. I was doing my wrap thing and I was like, bro, I'm not doing Yeah. I'm like yeah, but I ain't had our section. That's why I ain't been prevailing in the years before. I know all the people. When it come down to putting the music out, it's like I'm trying to learn the tricks of the trade, and it's like, all right, look, I'm trying to put it all in the right hands and put it out the right way.
You get what I'm saying, because like you'll put out like I have big features on the way out, so I gotta get because you have to get my numbers up at the time. You get what I'm saying.
But I heard you have a whole project with Gunner.
Yeah, yeah, I got a whole project with Gunner. But the people already so Lee was supposed foundation media, Lee was supposed to put the money up for the project.
Right, but it's already recorded.
It's all done and all that, and it's not even and this.
Is like two years old. You're up tight with two years why yeah?
Oh ysel So yeah, me and Gunna specifically, like we're closer, not closer than Thug, but like we are on the same level as how I am with Thug, like because Thug grew up with us basically before when I was in Atlanta and him and Pee Wee Long Way we all grew up from eighteen well when I was eighteen, so uh, I got that relationship. Whatever. I come home and he like, look, I'm an executive producer project, the first project.
Just like we're gonna gonna that.
Yeah, Like this is how you're gonna get a bag. That's what he's telling me. It's how you're gonna go get the bag. Tell the mama as they could do. And and he like, I got you.
End of the day.
So we do it. We record. He's only on three songs of the project. He executive proud Yeah. And then I had Dirk on the project. I got all type of like a lot.
I might have to sit some of these songs on my phone.
Actually yeah you do, Yeah you do, Yeah, you got you got something most of the songs. And it was like all right, I'm dropping. I'm dropping. And then I just dropped. And I went through a whole lot of people wasn't seeing it because it was off camera. Like when I dropped, not enough. I had a whole rollout.
I got distros begging me to finish, like like you keep dropping, right, But I went through some recently and it just like it kind of like it's like ripping the wrap up out of me, like and then it's like I'm reaching out the rap dude, like my rap friends in the middle of that, trying to keep the rap going on to you know what I mean, And it's like everybody, not even when I mean my rap friends,
not even the ones that's doing the rapping. It's like the producers is right, Yeah, it's this DUDEO engineer me.
Yeah.
I mean like like that, it's just like the dots ain't connected.
So just I'm good at So you decided to just leave rap alone for now.
For those months I'm back to. Yeah, I had to clear my mind because it was like if it frustrate me anymore while I'm going through this, and like.
Because how long were you locked up for?
Three years?
Three and a half the last time, right, because you had the y G record it was U y G.
I A D Yeah, and then I had just dropped with Chris.
Brown right after that and then you ended up locked up. Yeah, So it was like a bad It was terrible because you obviously get close with Chris Brown from that kid Ink tour with FTI.
Well, no, I was cool with Chris.
By the way that tour was.
It was it was Veti, Migos, Taylor, Yeah, Tianna Taylor. I just was talking about that. Yeah, it was crazy. French Montana French was on it. Yeah, because French was he was coming out with Chris. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was Actually that tour might have ended our friendship more.
Than you and Chris.
Yeah. Wow, I have no idea.
That's when he was like running around with like every blood in La on.
Tour with yeah Menace and everybody was there.
What was that guy saying, kid Red kid Red?
Yeah yeah, So I don't know what the fuck happened.
Manace was between the tour. Yeah, this was prompting. Menace was the first.
He was the first, dude, forget it went compting and it went.
It was a very random tour.
And it was a whole lot of controversy behind that line was opening whoa.
Because I remember kid Ink went on after the Migos, and at that time, I was like, I don't know you did no, no, no, no, kid ink O Marion went on after kid Ink and it didn't make sense, No, no, no, did he go on? I think o Marion went on after kid Ink. There was something involving ink where it.
Just Marion with no kid Ink was right behind Chris Chris.
So did Marion think he should be?
Yeah, but he got over that because of the hits or whatever the case was. But Omarion was at the half, I think he wasn't really Tripp and Tripp like, I don't want to piss no. I remember hearing about it all right, So this I went, it went h I think he had to go before Feedtie Wop. He had to go before Feddie Wop. He like Feddie Wap. Knew and I wasn't doing Chris like this when when they was going on tour with us. Yeah, me did inco on after before he went on after Fedia.
That's who I'm thinking there at that time.
Yeah. Yeah, it was a it was a big hummie move.
You kind of know at that time Chris Brown is still Chris Brown, one of the greatest entertainers we've ever had livet But I was on the radio side giving away tickets to that that tour and listeners were calling him and they weren't saying, I want Chris Brown tickets. They were saying I want FEddi Wap tickets because that was when FEddi Wap was.
It was a big it was and it was feeddi Wip. He's so humble, he was paying his respect. He didn't even yeah, because he just was like, like people.
Are understand the twenty fourteen fifteen Fetti Wop run.
He was crazy. That's what I'm like. You go out there and when he goes out there, you gonna hear everybody. Yeah, baby, Oh my god, he was doing the Hot one hundred fests on his days off. That's what that's what type of a toury run he was having. Like you know what I'm saying. He was doing the Billboard Hot one hundred concerts and shit like his one offs were crazy.
So you obviously you grow up out and here in La right for people. But but you how'd you end up in Atlanta College? Okay?
So where'd you go? Clark, Atlanta?
Okay? So we know where you're from, obviously because you say it all the.
Time time sick.
Except I'd like to point out too that the first time that you and it was you krit Mac and was it sharp?
Yeah? When he came home, Oh my god, it was classic bro.
I was just so wildly entertained by like the on hood on sick so and like yo homie god Spopples in prison, you guys are just mentioned the people's names not I'm just like this is the most wildly ganged out.
But see, people don't see that side of because I switched it up. But like people that I've been ganging with, that's like our our lingo.
That's like no, I mean, And that's why it was just and it was so funny because like you were just here like like the way like krip Maak was talking about like catching fades in prison and you're like, yeah, on six so he got hands like.
I saw him the county like Jesus Christ.
Yeah, we was living because like we wasn't stars like that before. Like now we go to jail, we would be like, oh they're like stars. Like the police know you celebrity, so they try to put you away because you might have an influence or people might want to get at you just to show off type shit.
Whatever.
You can't really escape it. I mean I probably signed a waiver. They probably end up snatching me up to take me up there anyway, you know what I'm saying, because it'll be too much controversy with me. Oh, like you know, I mean yeah, so we was on the main line. We really were stuggying, like you know what I'm saying. We eating with fighting, we doing everything.
Yeah, in the county, they always say that county is like the worst place.
It's the worst.
And so let me get this straight.
You don't go outside every day, right, you don't have a regular program.
The food that and in county isn't the l a. Politics are still intact as to where if you go to prison, the politics swish a little.
Yeah. So in County you squabble your enemies.
Like if you see somebody who's like an op or whatever, you.
Be together. Yeah, because if you a crypt you cripp but you all gonna be together.
It ain't just no, because it's.
Really a respect thing. Like if somebody disrespects you, then you got all all action at the fade, stabbing whatever. But if everybody keeping respectful, Yeah, everybody's a gang member, it's gonna be people from every hood. So if you're gonna keep tripping on.
Every you're gonna everyone. Now you're gonna die. Yeah. Yeah, I felt really bad, Like when I saw money sign sway pass away man in there. I was like, fuck, like.
See, I just found out he was a non affiliate though, That's what.
I'm saying, Like he seemed like he was just a good kid who.
Just so what it was when they put that pressure on him. He was standing, he was standing on business and it's like it's nobody there at the backing because he's not from a gang. So they know he got money, and they thinking that he's showing off just because he's a rapper. They the only thing they have left to do is to do some ship like that instead of embracing me, you know, I mean like yeah.
Yeah, I mean because I'm assuming he was in general population.
Yeah he was it.
Because I always say, like, dude, if I ever got forbid, had to go to like county jail, I'm figuring out a way to go to fucking PC.
I'm like, nah, but you're gonna put me.
In the whole pause. I don't want to be around nobody.
They gonna love you, man, it's good. They're not good. No, the ain't not.
I went to I went to jail once for one night and somehow while being there, bro like I'm like in the holding cellus in Arizona.
And like fucking six dudes.
Just throughout the day just walk by and recognized me, and I'm like, they're like, why are you here? And I'm like, oh no.
He thought you were in the world where nobody knew killed.
Everybody knows, using my sneaker as a pillow.
Yeah, that jel was with a little tissue roll on.
Top of it toilet paper. I didn't get any of the food. Well, no, I was like, I don't want to.
Take a ship. You're not You're not doing none of that for at least three four days, especially your first time, Like come on, man, But yeah, like you're famous though, so you go high power, they empower me. High power is like we're shook Knight and everybody was at That's where I'm not trying to That's where sold boy was that you you're in like a one man seal, that's all.
Yeah, give me the one man. Yeah, but I don't want to go.
Yeah, nah, I'm not going I don't here, That's what I'm like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not going back either. That's out. Yeah.
I mean, so you were in college, you while you're in Atlanta, you end up linking with everybody out there who's doing doing you know.
Yeah doing what they do.
Shouts to pee wee, who's a legend.
Yeah, man, shout out a long way man, one of the most. Mister don't speak, he won't talk.
He don't do interviews.
And then I did a bad one.
But yeah, you know, yeah he answered questions the right way.
And now yeah, yeah, yeah. Now nobody would interview because I was trying to know not not will interview, but nobody wants, like desires it because you're not gonna get that. None of them know it.
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percent off at kingpom dot com promo code Bootleg. Let's get back to the interview. You know, it's crazy because you were you were around during this era because like I just think of like some of these guys who like in theory shouldn't be hanging out with gang members, you know. Yeah, but then like you guys moved to LA and then all of a sudden, they're like affiliated as soon as and it's like as soon.
As they get here.
And I don't know how much of that is like mutual or how much of it is like, well, I kind of need to have somebody around.
Bow wow. Jumping off the porte was crazy to me.
Bow wow.
That was one of the biggest like selgiaboy always even.
Like even like the Chris Brown Ship, like Chris Brown's a child star. Yeah, he first came out when he was sixteen years old. His mom was.
Living here for that long, like he'd been here as he.
Was like I'm saying something like that, and you're like, I don't understand what happened there, Like is it these are just his friends or did he want to get down or and then you know, I mean.
Some people like always wanted to be in the streets and then like when we were kids, you it is the such thing as being off the porch before sixteen. Like where I'm from, of course, like I've been like around this shit.
No no, but we're talking about people who we like had it platinum songs when they were children.
Yeah, but at what time? When when was his first platinum hit though, Like when was the first time run run? It was when he was sixteen, all right, so you gotta think dinner. I think eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, when you learned how to be bad and all that year, what are you looking up to? He and Va they might have a blood gang and Va that then he moved to La.
I know. The first time I met Chris Brown, I was an intern at a radio station and we had this big label dinner in Phoenix and his mom would not let him order soda, so he woh he ordered a chocolate milk.
Oh wow.
This was like. So he did a radio show for us and he with Soba sixteen. Yeah, so it's crazy. Let me tell you the lineup he opened. It's a nightclub show, it's probably like twelve hundred people, it's a radio event, and it's a concert. The closer was Ray J because he had one wish Wow. The mid person was pretty ricky oh yeah, and the opener was fucking Chris Brown.
Bro. But see that's what oh Marion was saying. He was like, when he was getting old, we was letting him come beform. We wasn't pushing him to the back of the concert. But O Marion is like, okay, you got groceries out. Yeah that even the name of the song, right, but that people.
Supposed to be supposed to be.
Yeah, that's what I'm like, So you had that out and you was feeling but he had like another song that took off somethingow remember.
What was it? Yeah, like her ice spot.
He had some other ho I'm talking about right around that time. I remember it was another one though, but at got time, but got like going back to back with the motherfuckers just hits. Yeahs, back to back with him.
For a second, I was gonna say, like, so you end up in Atlanta, where do you end up? How to college end? How many years did you end up doing? And did you like did you like what what? What did your college journey end like pretty early? Or your college journey like where did it end at? Like how many years? Super early?
Finals week first first finals week of SEGA semester.
That's what mine was. Actually I finished the first semester and I don't think I ever went again.
Yeah, so it was finals week, SEGA semester. I got caught with with the pack. Oh yeah, I got caught with the pack.
Okay, I'm sure at that time you're probably bringing la ship over.
What we going crazy? What is good?
Crazy?
But shout out the girl who told me, oh so you got with the fact you think that would have happened? You would finish college definitely. I probably would have no, Yeah, I would have finished college no, because I was just thinking, like what else going on? Because I wanted to say something else. But it was like right then, all the people I was rotating with, because when I got to college, I found out it was a game of just niggas
selling drugs and going to class. Like if you could go to class and keep this up on campus because it was like a black school like white school, It's still going on, people still serving and people said, yeah, you get what I'm saying, but this you can have.
Yeah, you're in college, you're running it.
You're going crazy. Yeah back then too, Like that was the first time I ever heard of adderalls when I got to college.
Because people will take that ship to study, to study.
And all that shit. I'm like, what the like, it's the study pill take one. I'm like, they make you seem like it's no method there. That's crazy.
What were you What were your aspirations in terms of like what you were trying to like study?
Your major in criminal justice? Oh wow, I was major. I hadn't really figured it out. I wanted to I wanted to be a lawyer, but I knew I wasn't gonna want to do that much schooling. You get what I'm saying. I probably was gonna end up doing like real estate and all that ship with my mom. Yeah, but I was going because they was like, you could be a probation officer, you could be this, you can do imagine. Yeah, I have fresh out juvenile Like, they're not finna accept me as no type of officer.
Probably wouldn't.
Then I'm like, I don't want to be a lawyer because I just I was just lazy at that point. I was. I was playing basketball still, like going through the fact that I'm five eights and I'm not going to the league, So fuck basketball.
You being Isaiah Thomas, I you know what I'm saying.
I'm like, man, that's over with you playing at their school at Clark, I had walked on. We had because I had just transferred back from a basketball prep school in Mississippi to my high school California.
You were in the South, Yeah, no, I have. They they made me go.
I don't know because my pr is supposed to be pulling that. Can I get it? We got it? Think yo' it's a camel nine filter. But if you if they don't got them, just come on. It's called Camel nine filter.
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What were we talking about? College?
Now we're talking about You said you were playing basketball in Mississippi.
Transferred, yeah, back to Okay, So I transferred back to my school in California, and they ruld be ineligible as a legal transfer from Mississippi because they was like it was a scouting thing going on with Amir Johnson, Gabriel Prud Aaron to follow, like everybody had went to like different schools and they was uh because they always had Centennial and then they ended up going to Westchester and
they was going to different schools. So the CIF had put like a band on us, like transferring schools, you had to sit out a year like you was in college once you transferred. So I transferred back to the school that I came from before. I was having behavioral problems, so they sent me off. I kept going to jail and doing shit like that in Mississippi. No I forced you to leave. Yeah yeah, My mom like, U ship you go out here and make sure you get a
car where you come back. Like you know what I'm saying.
She kind of like going to Mississippi. Played basketball.
That yeah, boa I made sure I got kicked out immediately so that I got out there. You got me. I'm like done trip, I'm smoking weed on campus. I'm I painted a fucking goat into a zebra. We took the paint down to there like six months Mississippi. It was crazy, but it was a co ed school. Yeah, it was bit just there so it was like college before college. That school actually made me want to go to college because I'm like, damn, I wasn't at home. I'm like and it was bitches. I'm like, I gotta
go to school anyway. I'm like, fuck, I should have. But then I'm like, I ain't in l A. You know what I'm saying, Like, if this school could exist in LA where I'll be at school, it'll be what I just need to get back to my people, like you know what I'm saying. Especially when I was in high school, everybody having fun, I'm calling in It's like fuck yeah yeah, so uh yeah, I transferred there. So when I end up going twelfth grade, I don't have too many like tapes and all that shit. So I'm
really not going to fucking d one. This is my life. Yeah, yeah, what I'm saying. So I ended up working out the whole year with the team. Still we end up winning state championship whatever, And I fucking go to Clark because that's the only school that I applied for. Like, I was no fam you and Clark, but the Clarks HBCU. Yeah yeah, so I was only going there because my sister lived by Clark. I'm like, the only where I'm going to college if I go to Clark. I want
to go to the family. No, it ain't even that. I want to go to Atlanta. Now, mind you my sister telling me like, you're making music cheesy? No no, no, no, I wasn't even thinking about it. Yeah, we used to like pop feels and freestyle. I always could rap, like, but I never ever like was writing raps.
Right, you never like recording yourself. You're just walking around with funk around.
I probably record, like if everybody right there, like if I pull up on the rapper Homie session and I'd be like, let me try to ye, I mean, but I never took rap like it was just something like I mean like I never accumulated CDs or anything like that. Boll, So move on. I get kicked out from right there. Yeah, when I get kicked out, well, mind you, I already know big meat and all that when I got there. Not big I keep saying big me. I knew big meat, but I knew to be a mess. As soon as
I got there, I was with being mess. You give what I'm saying. So we was moving around before me got locked up, Yeah for sure. And uh we was moving around, rotating. So my name was already like all that little dude that'd be with them. So after I got kicked out of college, I'm just outside now and I'm like, I'm not going back to l A. It's too much money out here. Yeah, Pee, wee ended up getting out of prison. And then I'm like, yeah, I mean that's like my brother in law.
So wait, Pee, is your brother in law? Yeah? So his bro his brother was with my sister that Atlanta. Yeah, so you already had like.
Yeah, yeah, they broke up. They were together for like years years, like you know, I mean that ship just like people, was like family. So it's like nigga, all right, Boa, what we gonna do? He came home from jail. He just like we like fuck it.
Yeah.
We ship started sucking around, rapping, doing what we was doing. That's how it started.
Because it was Pee Wee. Like I think I kind of started to hear about Pee Wee and like.
This was like, oh wait.
About me? So like that was the n p A ten seventeen ship. Yeah, yeah, Pee's dope man. I feel like he doesn't get enough love or props when it comes to.
Like Pee Wee a and is social as he supposed to be.
Man. Him and Scooter, I feel like, are just fucking They just they're like, for whatever reason, just.
Street legends, a k ak snap out of the street legend.
Pee's dope man. So you end up working with Pee Wee? How does this? Because I met you through Kid Ink? So how do you become because were you like back gang essentially? So how do you end up working with Ink? Because you were like his shot doesn't so you guys are related. So you and are related. I didn't know.
I just see it related. Oh okay, I see it's my real cousin his wife.
Yeah. Shout to his wife. By the way, I'm so happy that we have a hip hop couple that's fucking locked still together.
They've been together high school. That sh it is like, yeah, that ain't going nowhere.
Oh my god, they are locked in. Okay. Yeah. I always so, I didn't know that you were related to his wife, who's a sweetheart. Shot to her, she's amazing. I always just assumed that, like you were just like an artist that he fucked with that was in town, and like it also probably didn't hurt that you were like yeah rick baby, right. So when you guys are on the road, I'm like, well, he's kind of got a street guy on the crew.
You understanding the play? Yeah, hell no, that's that's family. So it was just like, yeah, I was fucking up. He like, man, come on, let me help you out go because he taught me how to like like rap and put that ship together. He used to really record you while I was trying to know.
He's so good, like he gets so like people don't understand he's a great producer, he's a great engineer, and he's just like he understands like the musicality of like song structure and like melody in such a crazy way.
And that's why he can't make He can't go to making dumb down songs like he ys like making music that's not making music.
But like I even think, like the first record that like really went to radio was Time of Your Life, which is like such a crazy record when you hear, you're just like this song could pop any.
Any wherever you are, even even heading back. It creeped on everybody helling back. Wasn't even like the fucking song that was picked to hit the radio?
Is that the one that m g K was on?
That you could tell him? Man?
I know, but there was what was m g K record that went platinum out of nowhere? I remember, we'll post it. But it's crazy to see, Like, so I don't know so that whole that whole era, like you end up working with Ink?
What what?
At what point in time was this? Was this prior to him really kind of commercially having his moment because I remember he was doing like him and I remember when Ink came to Phoenix. Early on it was him
and either Dizzy Riot or Hopson. It was Dizzy and Fear it was, And I remember the show sold out, but everybody was there to see kid Ink, and my boy was there and he was sending me pictures, like, brother, the fucking this kid Ink dude was like and I'd heard of him, but I had always when I when I heard his name and I saw he was a guy with a lot of tattoos, I was like, oh, yeah, of course there's a guy named kid Ink with a lot of tattoos, because.
There was another guy that was like that Ink monsters, yes, And I was like, yeah, they used to always they used to always confuse.
But then you'd hear Kiddink's music and you'd be like, oh.
This its crazy. Yeah, So you think that comes from understanding me?
What year did you, guys, Like, what year did you officially start rolling with him and learning music from him and doing all that?
Two thousand after I got shot in the neck, for sure, Well right before I got shot in the neck, like two thousand and nine.
Oh so early.
I've been that was what you said when I started doing the music. But I've been supporting him since, like two thousand and like eight, like right when he as soon as he start doing the rap thing, because like he was doing the producers, you know, producers are quiet.
You don't know what he was making beats for people. Yeah, but you don't know what doing stuff like Sean Kingston and.
Diddy and type of different people.
Okay, so we're talking about kidding obviously. H would you say INC was kind of like your real real introduction into.
Like that was my big break into the industry.
I mean you get to see the world, right, well, well maybe not the world.
Yeah, no, the world.
We're not Canada, though, Well I can't go to Canada. I was gonna say, that's the only place you can't see is Canada.
Right, Australia can't go to Australia.
But you were able to go to Europe. You were able to go to some of those like crazy European tours or whatever.
B and B we're opening for one of those tours. Yeah, over there. But I went multiple times, like I've been overseeing so many times with him, it was unreal. I was starting to feel like I wasn't from America anymore for a second. That It's crazy we were out there ninety days at a time.
I felt like once a year he go on one of those runs, right, like.
For sure you go run the bag up right before Christmas with him. I never did Dubai with him, never did Dubai with him, because once Dubai start coming around, I start having like legal issues to why I couldn't travel at all.
What ended up being the reason why you had to go sit down for three and a half years.
So we were still at jackets. Man, I'll just play. I might as well just say it, because every time I tried to fuck it explain myself. It sounds terrible that I was even with a dude that was steal some jackets. Like, but what happened? I went to the Babe store. I had an altercation with somebody at the Babe store about yeah, Fairfax, but it was like about something else. It was the manager that did something to one of my people out of the workplace. I told
him come outside, we chopping it up. It gets heated. The dude that I'm with sneaks off into the store while everybody's fucking not paying attention. He goes into the fucking storage room and steals like eight Babe jackets. It comes running out and knocks over a fucking uh ladder, so it alerts everybody and then they start fighting him and shit and all that, and like I'm breaking up the fight, I'm telling him what the fuck are you doing stealing? Like you know what I'm saying, like, but
it's no audio on the camera. I'm like yelling at him on the camera the whole time. Yeah, they get off of him, whatever the case is, and uh, he ends up leaving with me. So they say that I'm a part of the crime because I left with him, But I was getting I really was.
Did he like on up and be like no, it was on me?
No, he did some most shit and he told on like he got like three fold dudes, life over that shit too, not over that ribery, like him fighting that case and trying to get itself out of it. He told on some murders. Jesus, That's that's crazy, bro, that is crazy. It's like one of my day one, Nigga. I didn't even know you had that in you. My boy, as crazy as he.
Goes, it's such a weird moment to like get caught on camp. It's just such a it's like a flashing the pan incident where you're like, this ship is not like a normal.
Dub caught the case over that ship that was my cribby dusted up. Yeah, that's why codefitted wow, because he picked up a jacket off the g because the jackets
flew everywhere. It was everybody. He grabbed the jacket, but they got his license plate number when he grabbed the jacket, So they were just like, I don't know because of the fight and the damages that were done to the employees that ran up, like they I feel like we should have filed a lawsuit on them because like, yeah, because like, are you allowed to chase somebody out the store and fight them over the inventory? I know it says in the rule book.
You probably give it up you could, which is crazy, but.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like I know the law, but I was in jail, so there was no way I could, you know what I mean, Because it's like, bro, that can't be in you guys's handbook to chase a loss prevention handbook because it's like let them go and call the police. Not supposed to do anything physical, you know what I mean. So it is what it is, and they they wanted me to tell on these same murders. You get what I'm saying. So they tried, yeah, that
my boy was telling them. He was telling them on some murders. So they kept like, oh, you're co defending. Tell me told us that you know something. Man, I don't know nothing, don't you know what I mean? Like, So that's why it was prolonged, and COVID came around, made my case stretch even longer, like you know what I'm saying, And I ended up getting out with time served, but they charged us with robbery.
Jesus, So you're you incarcerated? Were you incarcerated when n It passed? What was that environment like? Like how how was that received in jail? Like what was the the the mood like in there? Because Man, I was on the radio the day it was the Sunday he passed, and I couldn't I had a really good relationship with Nip, you know, and I couldn't even tell you, man, I've never experienced anything like being in la.
It's day today, this is his birthday.
Yeah, So I just I've never experienced like Kobe died and like and listen, man I shed a tear for Kobe too, but it was not like when Nip died that ship with Kobe. But when Nip passed, it felt you could like, Bro, I've never.
Seen like a city heartbroken like that the jail, Like I said, I never seen nig niggas that's supposed to hate the hood. They cry and the enemies cry. They like, man, this fucked up. Then when they find out that didn't know it'd be doing to him too, he like, damn, that's like everybody fuck with Nip. Everybody listened to him, no matter if they try to act all like fuck Nip woo whoop. At the end of the day, everybody
fuck with Nipsey, you know what I mean. Like in it show like the whole the South Side is for sure. You know they love Nippsey, you know what I mean. They was fucked up about it. Everybody was fucked up. Like it was crazy because I'm like, because Op told me. He like, hey, Bro called in to see they say Nip just got killed through Christal Sauce and I'm like, man, stop playing with me. He like, he like, but this is my boy. I'm like, why are you Why is
you playing with mom? Boy? He like, no, I'm serious, and then he like you can see like a tear trickling there. I'm like, what the fuck? I get to the phone, I'm like hey, They like yeah. I'm like, man, what the fuck? Like what? He like? Uh, call right back. We're about to tell you what happened. We're gonna tell you who it was. I called back and they tell me, like they figure out how to tell me. When they tell me, I'm like, what the fuck is going on out there? Like, how the fuck did he Where did
he even come from? How did they get into it? You know what I'm saying? Like that ship was crazy?
Bro? Did you know Eric Holder at all?
This?
Like did you have any sort of like what you.
Used to call me? You didn't always call me break baby right shitty?
Yeah? I remember. I remember having that conversation with it Will, Like this guy's got to change his name because he's never I can't say his name on the radio.
You're the one that made me change my name.
You don't know that because it was baby.
It was break baby shit tro.
Sh trow shit trow, That's what it was. I remember, Like, Bro, I can't say his name on the radio, I can't play.
His music, but you know my street name is Shitty.
Okay, Yeah, so you knew Eric. Yeah I'm a little shitty, So you knew him pretty well.
Yeah damn that ship's great. Yeah I know him knowing So when you found out it was him fucked me up. It was like, God, damn, like what the fuck is going on? Like you know what I mean, It's like that shit just was like what the fuck? Like it took me from crying to like no tears because it's like, what the fuck is this? Like the fuck going on
out there? Like you know what I mean, I can't ask nobody everybody else in here bit in jail, Yeah, I mean I can't ask nobody what's going on, how, what's the backstory or nothing.
So I just know this and I know that that shit's crazy. Man. Do you think it was like some shit that because I feel like it came off like he was obviously, I don't know if it was like it just came off like like something like some heartless shit or some shit that like maybe like a crackhead or dope feeding type thing would do.
Like you hear so many different definitely off drugs though, Yeah, it was definitely off like method all type of other like you know, I mean whatever you know, yeah, what you living like that whatever come across your plate. So, uh, he was he was definitely off drugs. And uh, I don't know. I wasn't there for the conversation, you know what I mean, So I can't tell you what was said what was not. Obviously it was something that set heavy on his brain and and he doubled back and
did whatever he did. You know what I'm saying, Well, he's already accute. I mean, God found guilty, but he kilty over pondering too much, thinking too much over something where it's like this is a rumor in the hood. If you know that you didn't do it, then leave, you know, I mean like you have to do. You didn't do nothing right there with the funk that you doubled. Yeah, you just double. Your life's over and you and you know that your your your boy? Who this your brother? Me?
You know? I fuck with this dude on the day to day like this is my dude. Like you get what I'm saying, Like you you you you take your something away from everybody. You ain't thinking about it like you could have double back and fuck cut. You know what I'm saying, I mean or whatever whatever you was gonna do, Like it was a gay Like why would you throw your life away on camera? And you gotta be on drugs? You know what I'm saying, Like you know,
you know you're not getting away with this. You out here with your shirt off, you're doing all this ship like you can't be thinking the right way.
And tons of people are standing there who aren't him, Like you know, it was just it was just to me, it was like one of the more and like I didn't you know, it just seems.
Like I'm ready to go out type ship.
Yeah, like some suicide.
Yeah, that's what it was, Like, I'm ready to go out. Fuck it. That's the last thing I'm gonna hear about some stages like that. I don't know, I don't get it. It's crazy. I mean, like recipes nip though.
Yeah. He was a great guy. Man, he was an amazing I was gonna say for you, like, uh, you've gotten into this new space where your media personality, right, So it's different for you, I'm sure being on camera all day?
Yeah, way different? Have you.
Because you obviously represent what you represent and you also are on camera every day? So have you like, what has been the adjustment for you to be Like, Okay, I have to still be who I am, but I also want to be a professional and grow within this new world that I'm getting into because at the end of the day, you see that there is a very lucrative content world, right, I mean you see a d and and and Trell left and they're doing well. Yeah you know, I know Adam doesn't want yeah, but they're
doing well. Yeah. So it's like there's obviously like this is like a new a new frontier for you. So like how are you adjusting being you unapologetically and represent what you represent well also being a professional because I think you did it pretty well on the snoopy badass thing that I saw.
Yeah, well, I'm dedicating all my time to this. Like it's at a certain point you gotta hit a growth growth spurt and understand the growth spurt, like sometimes people grow and they don't understand it, like you know what I mean, Or like we go through things like I literally damn near lost it all this year and got it back off of just doing this, You get what I'm saying, When the whole time I've been out here scrambling trying to figure out all.
Right, this how this how fig music?
Yeah? Yeah, like no, I'm talking about the streets. Yeah, but but the music too. You get what I'm saying, Like, it's just like you play one foot in, one foot out, and no, this is what I want to do, and this is what I want to do, But you're not giving this ship on the side that could almost pay you quadruple or a hundred times more depend on how much work you put in. You not giving this no attention.
So sometimes it got to be like took from out your face so you can focus on one thing, and and like when you see that you're kind of like chosen for this space, and people kind of fuck with you in this space and they're like, you know, I mean, if you be a fool not to capitalize off of what you got going on and not just give it you all.
Yeah, I would say, like you've done a really good job. Like I always I told us to Adam, I was like, what I like about brick Baby's You're like a really measured guy on camera.
Yeah yeah, yeah, Like I'm I'm too calm like him yelling and disagreeing what I told him. What was not about to happen in the interview. Who wins out of that.
Right, Because I think like a lot of people would be like, you know, because when I when I when that's what I told he had him the same ship. I was like, bro brick babies, like very naturally, Like I think I text you too, like are you're really good at this shit?
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah you did you know, Like.
I think I would like to see you just do more like one on one ship.
Yeah, that's what That's what I'm That's why I'm at No Jumper though, because I'm learning from somebody that's like one of the best, Like and you can say what you want, but like when you line up the best podcasters and I'm learning from some one of the top dogs in the podcast game, and it's like I don't know how to like if I just jump on and just if the break baby from when I started going viral and seeing the internet was fucking with me and
all that shit. If I was to just start asking somebody questions on camera, I wouldn't have it written down. I wouldn't be I would just be having a conversation and I wouldn't know which way to swing ship and to you give what I'm saying.
I think you just got to learn it, just like a combo.
It's like, yeah, you know it's a convo, but what type of convo?
Because I could have any type of different men crip mad convo with you too, which is hilarious, ye know what I'm saying.
So it's like I gotta for me. It takes me to separate and learn how to articulate. Just just be on one type of time, you know what I'm saying. So once I get myself to gather, isn't nothing you can tell me, Like we're sitting right here, had you want to do anything else, I don't even gotta yet. We don't gotta yield. You just get to it. It ain't no point of doing all the barking like, it ain't no point of that.
And I also think like it's important to understand, like, hey man, we're grown now, like we already Like if you you've sat down, you've done everything you need to do. At what point in time do you what do you have to prove to anybody?
Like I'd rather you know, they gonna test you, they gonna test you as as a black in the streets or just saying, you from the streets, they gonna test you to theday you die. I for the blacks like other people. Yeah, I grow up not like that, but motherfucker understands, like we're grown that kid thing.
Because it's almost like people get angry at you if you're mature, if you mature past the the obvious immaturity that is with the street ship, if you think about it, is extremely It's like an immature lifestyle, right, You're supposed to be extremely reactive to things that normal people wouldn't
be reactive to. And it's like, yo, if I already got through that part of my life and I'm still here, and yo, I'm I'm growing up now, Like like what the And it's like I saw people give him Jezy ship because like he was like the bigger man with the Gucci ship. I don't know, man, Jesus Jesu sold out. I'm like, what did you want j Z to do that? You want GZ to not wear a suit and go do a podcast and write a book, and like it's like you you know, I mean, that's.
The thing else was to do, was physically do something. They got they both got paid, and they're saying.
Did what he did.
He went over there, he went over whatever he was gonna do. But at the end of the day, what cup supposed to fight the nigga for the world right there?
And Gucci come out and said he kind of regretted how he handled that.
Yeah, yeah, at the end of the day, because Gucci felt like a kid. His girl told him, you kind of you know, I mean, that's when when you had that conversation with your wife and the like, I was kind of childish, like yeah, damn you think so, Like you know what I mean, Like, because a nigga ain't twenty five, twenty eight no more, like it ain't. I mean, nigga ain't even that shit ain't even it doesn't add up, Like you want me to keep on standing outside either
selling drugs or holding guns, whatever the case is. You know what I'm saying, Like, because you're not gonna be there and don't be protected whatever it is at thirty five, keep going to jail making.
And also that rather than me starting a career.
And doing what the fuck I'm doing to elevate, like I'm gonna choose that over anything right now, because at the end of the day, here, who are you to your children.
Like yeah, for real, who are you to your kids?
Period?
That's all you should worry about, Like who are.
You to your children? As long as you taking Like these are people that and not all of them, but the people that they want us to be, Like all right, you going to jail, you missing out on your kids, Like it's no way that you're taking care of your kids to your full possitive, like that capability if you incarcerated, if you're on parole all the time, if you got to check in here, you can't go here, you can't take them to this tournament out here, you can't do this.
You give what I'm saying. It's so many restrictions that the streets put in your life, Like and I got that out my mind song where I say I'm one foot in the game, one foot out, like I'm thinking about going all in in the blind like going legit.
It's been crossing my mind, Like I was just talking about me just being in the streets and like Nigga, I said, the streets hold me back and been blacking my shine, Like you give what I'm saying, Like at the end of the day, everything that comes to the end comes to the end because of the street ties and the motherfuckering' never gave the legal laying a shot ever. You give what I'm saying, and.
You have an opportunity to give it a real shot.
So why can't the nigga put everything into it like I put everything into the streets.
Because guess what, if you're one with it out, that's just gonna follow you to wherever you're trying to get the legal shit together.
That's what I'm trying to tell you. So it's like you gotta it's not bounce out the streets or oh, disconnect from Oh I'm not from here no more, or whatever. It's like, I'm forever gonna be who I am. You give what I'm saying, but that shit can't control one hundred percent of my day, no more like every everybody's opinion. It can't. Like I'm a grown ass men. You could talk to them kids like that and try to get them together. I didn't already went tested and approved, been
through all that little shit right there. You're not about to try to run me through the wringer like one fucker. I mean, I'm not even going for that. I don't even respond like nigga man, you know you can't do that.
I was gonna say, I saw what I really thought was dope was and I told him this at the time. One of the early interviews to you, Rold, they don't know Jumper was the interview Jaystone, Yeah, which was like a big deal for people don't know from LA. Like two gangs are obviously not friendly, right, would you ever interview somebody from that side just to try to show people it's you.
Know, yeah, well, uh, I wouldn't mind interviewing somebody from that side. They already know me, they know how I'm coming. Like me and Treill and Nitty and all that, we've been homies for years. I wouldn't mind having Nitty on or or going on with Trell or whatever, just sitting down and talking. Everybody know that were cool. We both
say it all the time. So I mean, like we both shot each other out, like all the shit that's going on with what they got going though, it's funny to me and yuh me, I'm right with no Jumper because I'm over there and at content purposes. Yeah, I mean all I see in is content competition. I don't
see nothing physically ever happening. That's what I'm like, I make jokes from time to time when they make jokes like fuck no Jumper, I make a joke too, but they know I'm making jokes like you you know what I'm saying, and I hate the water down like that, But I just two gang members beef. We already enemies that could have been beefing beef. There's other like yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
Have you had to real like I gotta ask you this because there was a couple of times like where I know add like kind of had some off camera combos with Adam about certain ship have you because Adam is charged up right now. He went in on you on his IG story today.
He went crazy today and he was like, I.
Don't know if it's the creatinine. Do you ever feel like you got to kind of like have you or would you ever like if you think he's getting a little playing like crossing the line a little, because you know, at the end of the day, ad pun Trow, these guys are like real dudes, you know what I'm saying, and we're and like you said, outside of the content space,
you're friendly with these guys. Would you ever like have that like has it gotten to the point apparently if it hasn't yet, if you haven't had to talk, but would you ever like pull out into the side and be like, hey man, like you're playing with fire at this point, because I just saw the DMS with Heather and I was like, oh, don't put her dms online. That's not nice.
This the thing he feels like, they get to say whatever they want to say, and he got to sit back and listen.
Has been quiet for a long time, and so he just.
Like fuck it, like like motherfuckers wanted to keep on doing it, and just you know, I mean, he was calling him the no Jump or react I saw the no Jump reaction page.
Well, you're right. I do feel like for a very long time he kind of like was not acknowledging it.
Yeah, so if he gets something off, it's just it's like fuck it, Like what we gonna do here? Like you mean, like because he feels like the people who are doing this for content purposes or whatever they doing it are the people that really walked away, right, and they really didn't get fired, you give what I'm saying, Like it was a whole lot behind what really went on. So he like, all right, y'all play victim enough. But now every day, like, you know what I'm saying, because
I'm not telling my side of the story. Now he's telling the side of the story. He's going wild, he's going he's going up what you call it, hang out with your hangout. That's what he's doing right now.
I was gonna say for you, Like, I think there's a lot of misconceptions about Adam, but I think one of the main things that people will talk about is how like, for whatever reason, he's extremely infatuated with gang culture. Yeah. And if you look at the previous regime of co hosts and the new regime of co hosts, it's Cripsah.
Yeah, he fuss with the crips.
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gang culture, this, that and the fourth. But then like you'll realize, like Adam, I think, is just really like a very curious dude who's just like a true content creator. So like, you know, these are the people he's around. And I don't feel like he like purposely sought brick Baby out because you were a crip. Who you say, what, No, Adam, I'm talking about Adam. Oh about the misperceptions of Adam.
Oh yeah, no, no, we Me and me and Adam been cool since like twoenty fifteen.
Because I think people are like, yo, okay, ad and t Roll left and he just went and got more crips.
But me and Dub, like Dub is like an honorary crib he all, he doesn't hang with the grip and yeah, so uh, he's always been cool with Dub and the people that Dub bring around, and the fact that me and Dub have like a great relationship. That's how we even got closer than what we you know what I'm saying, were when we first met whatever it was. So when I came home, I came, I did the interview, I popped back up. I did an interview. Then I started
like being on YouTube, but I didn't really understand. So I started reaching out like, hey, I did he like you should come on? Yeah, Like, and we start going into Hey, I feel like I'm ready to I mean hop.
On camera like you guys already have in those conversations prior to eighty leaving.
Yeah, we was already.
I was already damn near coming in.
Yeah, yeah, because ad was there. Ad was there like multiple times when I was coming up there, like for like news and different little ship like that. So I didn't even see because I don't go home like this shit tires you out sometimes to where I don't go home and watch the ship we were doing. Yeah, I give it, and then I go back and go watch it,
you know what I'm saying. So even if like I just seen Adie and Adam, so when I was seeing the headlines and all that shit like somebody leaving or whatever, I'm like, yeah, I don't really want to get into the ship. That's going on, you know what I mean, the mess because it's like gossip, you know what I'm saying, Because if it's not coming to my phone directly, I'm not really so I'm like I was paying no attention to it. Then when it starts being everywhere, I'm like,
oh wait, that ain't no clickbait type shit. You give what I'm saying like that, That's how slow I am. When I'm first coming in, I'm like, I don't know, thinking they trying to get the numbers up or something. So now I'm saying, oh, it's Lush this that, and I'm like, oh, it's going down in this motherfucker. Like I'm texting Gajena trying to stand her ground, and then she go.
That was a wild. That was an extremely wild, extremely wild a couple of days because I got uh hit up by Adam to come and fill in for Lush or fill in for whoever, not knowing that he had just fired Lush, and so I called a D and you know, Adam called me and told me what happened with Lush, and he was like, I need somebody tomorrow to be on the show. So I called a D and I was like Yo, what's the deal? You know, Like he's like, yo, do it tomorrow. It's like I think he's like, I'm about to leave you.
Feel oh ship? Yeah, because I didn't talk to a d about it, but I already know what his response was gonna be to me. We already was there, so it was right. And then what do I I don't have a job, y'all leaven with that, Like I'm just getting you. Everybody's like, oh, you stayed? Are you? With no jump rofter that? So what who was offering me a spot? Where? That? Where? Who did I leave from? Stay?
Yeah?
You already I'm not a part of that.
Correct, that makes sense. I was gonna say, recently, you guys interviewed the gay crip guy, which was extremely interesting to say the least. I just like Sharp just in the corner, just like, what the fuck's happening?
Not sharp?
Hey, Kripak said some ship where he was like you know DP? What he educated the dude?
Who what a DP was?
He's like, not getting your whole asshole blown out by a bunch of N words.
I was like, oh my god.
But I was gonna say, like, when you do an interview like that, do you hear about that from like you were like big homies, like, yo, what are you doing?
Yeah? All right, so the big Uppies was bad, but they thought I was stamping homie.
Yeah.
The whole time, I'm like letting him get his ship up and telling him like, nah, we ain't going for that.
Well, yeah, he's removing or whatever. He's doing this, and like, how are you a gang member? You don't know what a DP is.
That's what I'm saying is it's like you guys are educating. Yeah, that's what I'm telling them. I'm like the lack of knowledge, Like, bro, you don't know what that is that you're saying that you from. So that's why I told him that, like all throughout the interview. Then at the end I really told him like they gotta watch it, man, they gotta watch it because the whole interview ain't out. He keep on serving clickbaiting click I mean clip after clip he does,
you know he does. But once the whole interview dropped, the whole interview drop, you'll see what's going on. I'm definitely not stamping. No gay crip and he's from Hover. We don't don't really like you. I mean, like I'm not gonna keep on saying that.
But at the same time, I can't even in politics.
Why I can't even politic on him. I can't give him a DP, beat him up or nothing, because he's not.
Just a crazy movie that goes you know, I mean they got I just saw the clip and it was so funny. Shots kript Mak, who's one of the most wildly entertaining human beings that's ever walked the face of this earth. Oh goddamn, oh god, damn. Well listen man, uh you got Are you doing a weekly stream now?
Yeah? So I'm doing a weekly straight break by brick Man. Uh. This week we're doing jail videos. So you already know we're going there to shyrag Rare. We going there the all type of ship.
So what's the go to spread for you? If you had to make a spread right now out of jail, what are you putting in the spread?
Uh? Noodles are no noodles noodles with noodles, all right, So I'm going, uh ti noodle with I go two packs of tie noodles with a pack of chicken noodles, right, bust them in half so they still get stringy. Uh, two packs of squeeze cheese, a half of a jalopeno squeeze cheese like a damn type of bar. Is that a pepper jack cheese bar? Half of that melded down with the cheese puffs. You gotta put the cheese puffs in the cheese too. And some people put cheeses on
with the cheeses in there. Bon So gotta shake that up. Make the sauce that's cut up the chicken, warm it up, you know what I'm saying. Season the chicken, put a little bit of the tie sauce in there. Put it all together. That's the Alfredo in jail chicken, Alfred of I could do it with the mackerel too, you know what I'm saying. I love it with the fish sometime.
So weekly stream you're obviously on no jumper. How many times a week now? Two or three sometimes more?
Man, it's been going up and going up right, So I'm there, I'm in there, yo.
How do you feel about the gun of situations that you haven't ep with him.
That ship?
Because he's obviously your boy.
That's what I'm saying, that's my boy like and he's going up right now like you mean, it is everywhere. So the whole ship is this right, Like, like I said, tell him and Slime get over their differences because I've known Jeff for longer. Yeah, I mean, I stand where I stand and I funk with him. That's that's that's my bro. But like dropping music and all that, they would have to definitely come to something to where it don't look like I'm choosing sides with somebody that did
my little bro wrong. And I known him for longer, you get what I'm saying, But he ain't.
We don't even know how he did so, But this is this is my.
Boy still, and that's what I'm telling everybody because the ship that he did for me when I needed him, Yeah, Gunner, the stuff that he did for me when I needed him, and you I mean the ship that motherfuckers I.
Grew up with wouldn't have done.
They never did. So it's like, and it's not even it's the small shit I'm talking about, not the obvious like of course he was up when I came home, but like just the small ship even from checking in when I first left to you know what I mean, just a little ship that you know, I mean, so a motherfucker always is here for you for advice, and we could always go because it's just like your cousin at to, like we can't even go out and do
all that. No street ship, you know what I mean, Like as far as but and I don't like taking a plea ain't telling right first and foremost, so it's not telling he thought.
I actually think a lot of it is like like the outreage should be like if they're because he's just doing what like a lot everyone else did, right, Yeah, but then.
Everybody else.
Narrative and we don't know how young Thug feels about it.
Even slide Life shot you he's his career has been over with since then too, because if you think about but Theug, I mean, Gunna came back.
But we don't know how Thug feels about any of this. I mean he saw. I mean, at the end of the day, the bigger Gunna is, the better it is. He's still whitself on the label.
So but listen to what I'm trying to tell you, Right, he didn't tell he took a plead. The ship that he said yes to was obvious. Why s L be at the street gay? Everybody in the city though that whatever. But the only way that that was cool was if everybody was in ingredients of you taking your deal at
that time. Because if everybody could have got that deal, and even Thug when one year time served the rest of probation ten year probation, I feel like everybody would have just copped in, like all right, I'm off for everybody on this deal this and y'all do this. Y'all
gonna be on probation for ten years. I feel like the whole case would have took that took that you give what I'm saying, but you can't do that and then have some people still going to trial and that's exactly and you're out fighting against and the perception of that is bad. Yeah, it's like you gotta kind of stay down with him and in LA like you get a violation for that, like you damn near not from
there no more, but you get what I'm saying. Like, so it's just different, like but he don't if you don't have to sit on the stand and all that. They take all that into consideration too, that it was just a plete deal. What he what he's trying to get across to everybody else, Like it's just a plete deal. You copped out on some ship that we're that we're fighting against those, so it's like it's it different.
It does. I mean, listen, man, we'll see what happens. But look, you're killing it. Uh go follow him and help you put out some music, man, because I.
Feel we gonna be back with the music. We gonna do something. I told them I was gonna freestyle today, but I was hungry, so uh, we definitely gonna get back together. We you know, we family, my.
Guy, brick Baby, I appreciate you. Boom my goy. Hey what up?
Man?
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