#35 - Katori Walker

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out of Pasadena for a minute. And I feel like this year, you know, a lot of people have taken advantage of the pandemic in a good way and not kind of let that. You know, there's been a lot of people using it as an excuse as to why they're slowing down, and Katori Walker has done quite the opposite. He put out a project called Idols that is extremely dope.

It pretty much pays homage to all of the idols on the musical side that he has, Kendrick fifty Cent, Kanye West, j Cole Drake, etc. And I really enjoyed it so much. I was like, man, I gotta have this guy come up and just have a good conversation because I know he's got a dope taste in hip hop and he could wrap his ass off, which is why there also be a freestyle dropping from Katory Walker

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about some Rick Flair socks some motherfucker. Yeah, go get some odd socks at odd sooxofficial dot com keyword bootleg caps save twenty percent off. Let's get into this Katori Walker episode. It's the boutleg cap podcast Bootleg Cap Podcast. Katory Walker's here, Ladies and Gentlemen, Pasadena's Finest, Pasadiena's fine as Wow, that's a big title. Who else is from pasadenas? Uh? Like I said, he got tied to Pasidiena. I don't know if he was born there, but I know his

family's from there. Who else is in Pasadena? There's a lot of up and coming arts of Pastena. Do you know you know Overdose? Yeah? Yeah, I didn't know they were from Pasadena? Yeah, yeah, So what happened to those guys? I don't know. I know Ken Jams are doing this thing. I interviewed them and they were hilarious. Those guys were hilarious. Shout out to Overdose. But welcome man. You're having a

pretty crazy year. You're project idols. Would you say that as a body of work, this has been the your biggest body of work as far as like recognition performance, because you had it like like like were you ranking this one at I would say, this is my most free body of work and this is my most like

honest body of work. This is the one like the ones that I'm most proud of, you know, like you know, every other body of work has done different things for me, but this one is just like, Yo, all right, this dude can really do his damn thing, you know. Yeah. For people who are listening who might not have heard of you, you put a record out called Idols, and the concept of the album was really to pay homage to your idols in the music industry. It's an EP.

Each record is dedicated to we got what, Kendrick, Cole, Drake, Kanye, and then one to yourself, one to myself. Yeah, when you were making like like it was the idea a conscious idea when you were record it or did you like hear the songs be like you know what this this was like? Like like or did you do? It? Was everything on purpose? I think half of the project was on purpose. I think I did. I did one song and I was actually trying to mimic Cold, like yeah, I want to do a Cold flow in this one.

And I was a record that I didn't even make the project actually because I had two Cold records. So I'm like, Yo, this this is dope. And then I did a Kendrick record. I'm like, Yo, this is dope. You know. And then after that, I was just like, Yo, I'm gonna put this all together and make this a body of work, you know, And like the last ones I did was the fallback record for myself and then the higher hopes to Kanye won because I was like the toughest thing to do because Kanye is like a

Swiss army knife. So how do you Yeah, Kanye's he's my favorite artist. Yeah, he's an artist for real, bro, Yeah, more than a fan of Jesus Is King. I'm not gonna lie, but you know, discography wise, nobody can fuck with you. Yeah. I think I think the thing that I got from Jesus is King is I felt that peace listening to it. It wasn't the best lyrical album, it wasn't the best mixed album at all, but it felt peaceful. It was great production. There was some great

production on there. Shout out to boost the Beasts. But but yeah, it's dope because like, not a lot of people pay homage to fifty as much as they should. Fifty is a pioneer, bro. Fifty is like his run was so it was it was. I mean his run at the top was short, right, It was two albums long plus the g Unit album and then you know, the Curtis came out and things kind of were left. But you know, we're talking Get Rich or Die Trying is like I feel like, unarguably a top five album

of all time. You could put it higher, but I feel like if you put it any lower than five, you're you're fucking lyon or you're a hater. But like, definitely dope. Like to see someone pay homage to fifty because I feel like that happens. A lot of people pay homage this year, like a lot of people. I think it was what three or four mini men. Oh yeah, that was a lot. You know, you're right, it's a good year for fifty twenty one. Savage did it, Pop Pop Smoke did it. Yeah, and I did it. Yeah.

I don't know who else did it, but yeah, so and it was all that same record, and I was all Get Rich of Die Trying. So yeah, he's getting to respect he deserved. Fifty had a video game, bro, like not a lot of right hey, and it wasn't a bad game. It's a great game. That shit was solid. You'd be with young Buck Lloyd Banks, spring up fools in Iraq, Like what the fuck is going on? Fifty

fifty had a crazy run. That was the first time I was listening to fifty when I was I think I think that was what two thousand and two when that came out two thousand and one, three two. I think you're right. Two thousand and three. Prob. That was when I first started writing my own raps because when I was young, I used to have like my uncles wrap myself for me. So I was listening to get rich of I try and trying to pin out some shit like to mimic fifty. So that's why that album

meant the world to me. And the Unit album was fired Bag for Mercy was crazy. That was a great album. Fifty was like I don't think he got enough credit for his hooks. Bro oh, oh my god. That's why when they were talking about like the Game in fifty verses, I was like, like, Game is an a legend. I love Game, love his music, but like his biggest songs that he could play have fifty cent on them. Yeah you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And it's like, how

would that work? They both wrap it together. Yeah, it's a point for each It's like a point for each but yeah, and then the artwork. What was dope about your artwork for your project was it just kind of incorporated all of that on like in a very tasteful way. Whose idea was was the artwork? So me and my creative manager, his name is Cash, we had just been trying to figure out how to mash everybody's like face

together and just looked at weird. So then I'm like, yo, let's take a piece of each every each album that we liked the most from every artist and make it a thing. And then we just was like, okay, cool, We're gonna take the border from Kendrick, We're gonna take the heart from Kanye, We're gonna take the sky from Dragon, take the crown from Cole, and we're like, what the fuck we're gonna do for fifty I was like, y'all,

let's just sit on it. He hit me back an hour later, like check your text, like I've seen the bullet holes. I'm like, my god, it's done. It's done. Here. I was sending people that album covered before it even came out, like yo, just look, you don't even to hear, you don't even need to hear. Just look at the album cover bro. When I when me and Head had linked up with you, it was like almost two years ago you had you were coming into a situation with Capital.

What's the update or the status of your situation record label wise? We cut to eyes. I'm now independent, you know, Capital. We had our run, you know, we did our thing, and I think for where I wanted to go and what I'm trying to do, we just wasn't seeing eye to eye. And then you know, Lord rest is my a R. I ended up passing away. So it was like that was just a thing, you know. So I'm now independent. I want to be able to like freely move,

you know, do what you want to do. Yeah. Man, I don't think you know, unless it's a bag player. I don't think labels got that much power these days. You ain't lying, Yeah, I mean, look, but I was just crazy because you got you're on the playlist that you that the label would get you on anyway. Yeah, yeah, man, I got on the playlist just off the strength. When I first dropped, I wasn't on no playlist. And I think Carl Cherry had heard it and was like, yo,

it's crazy. Yeah. I saw he was like tweeting tweeting out your lyrics and shit. Yeah, and it's like, yo, but I don't know you from nowhere, So that was just an organic thing. Was just organic, bro, because you know, he's like the gate the gatekeeper that everyone. Yeah, it was organic bro. And he had hit me like, bro, this is crazy, this is crazy, And I'm like, yeah, I'm glad you tapping in with the music and speaking of the label, this is something that the label had

had for a year, you know. Well, it's also kind of like reaffirms the fact that you don't need the label because really, what else, Like that's why that's what they're there for, right, is to try to get you placements or you know, but dog, if you are like outside of a bag, like you said, yeah, what else, what else do you need a label for? These days? Like you're gonna give somebody twenty percent of what you're

doing to press upload. I want to ask you, So we're going to go through the project and I want you to tell me your favorite albums from each of these artists. Well, obviously he's got to be giving your dad trying for fifty out. Yeah, of course that goes what I'm saying. By the way, Massacres, super swept on. Yeah, but what about I mean, you say your favorite it was eight awaits your favorite album since she used the heart. Nah,

that's just a symbol. It makes sense. Graduation, graduation, It's like, Bro, that was impeccable. It's a great body of work. It's like, I don't know, like I think everybody liked to say my beautiful, dark twisted, but that I'm a Late Registration guy, also older, older Kanye. Yeah, I love Late Registration. Yeah, graduation was solid, and I just I don't know, man, I Mike, I'm Mike. I'm not as high as graduation on graduation as everyone else. I'm not. It's a great look.

Kanye's got the best discography ever. Yeah, He's got a great discography. I feel like Late Registration and College Dropout were like brothers sister albums. It kind of sounded I didn't hear that much evolution in the in the body of work. They kind of very same. Nah, Late Registration have John Brian on the production. It was so much more like that. I feel like they could, they could

be a deluxe album of each other. I disagree, all right, So let's say the jump from Late Registration and Graduation. Those are two completely things, different things late Registration. I feel like the jump from each album is very different. I don't know, I feel like those two are in the same ballpark. I feel like my Beautiful, dark, twisted Fantasy is his best album because you really can't say ship and then it's really up to you to say

what your favorite is. Yeah, yeah, these are two closest, they sound sonically closest, they're the They're the closest out of any two. Yeah. Yeah, Graduation, Yeah, Yeah, I just got into an argument with somebody and YouTube was killing me because I said I like Jesus more than Graduation. Yeah, Jesus Is it's an unpopular king and Jesus, oh you're fucking crazy, very unpopular opinion, and h I love Jesus, Jesus Is King. Go somewhere else with that. Yeah, Yay

was slept on though. Yeay was a good album because I feel like nobody really talking about mental health. That song ghost Town, Yeah, it's hard to make a better song than ghost Town. Man, that song was Crazy was a great record too, Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. Yeah, Yeah, Yay was slept and then Kidsy ghost was like, yeah, I feel like Kitsy Ghosts Sleeper for like one of the best Kanye projects ever. Yeah, I've never really I know, no line, no cap. I've never really been a Cutty

fan like that. It's crazy. I've never really been a Cutty fan. No. I mean that's fair because I'm I'm a I wouldn't say I'm the biggest Cuddy fan either. I like dos a is a Cuddy. It's it's it's it's like sit through a whole project to Cutty's probably harder for me. Like my favorite cutting project is when he was like still like really rapping, Like he had a project called a Kid named Cuddy, a mixtape sponsored by ten Deep, and then you know, the man on

the moonshit is cool. People love it, Like you can't tell shit to a Kit Cutty fan because that'd be like he's the greatest ever. Yeah, I mean you've met those kinds of people, right, Yeah, bro, I mean yeah, those Kid Cutty fans are fucking crazy. But I get it, Like listen, man, this music is a beautiful subjective thing. And I love Cuddy like you know in doses, I just you know, I feel you on that. Yeah, he got his He's at his niche audience for sure, sit

where he sits. But I got my taste and my flavors. Okay, what about Jake Coles, what's your favorite Cold project? All right, so my favorite Cold project is definitely Born Center. Okay, that's a great body of work. If not if not Born Born Centered in twenty fourteen, but those are really forests drivers kind of like the consensus. Yeah, but that's when that's when he got the respect. He that's when he got disrespect he deserved. But Boring Center came out

the same day as Jesus Bro. But I what I think don't get enough credit is those truly yours EPs that he put out. Yeah, my god, those by those little projects was crazy. I think for just like nostalgic purposes. I really enjoyed. I still like love Friday Night Lights. Friday Night Lights is crazy. He was. That's I don't know. I feel like he was just some super duper duper and the warm up was crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what's crazy is like with Cole like he

bounced back. I was not a fan of his first the album because there was so much old ship on there, so much leaked ship, and you know what he did on that first album. Me and you were just talking about he was like purposely trying to make radio records. Yeah, diase, because you remember like he couldn't get an album out, like they kept strowing his ship out and then like you know, there was like mister nice watch and work

out and all that shit. It was cool, But like you said, I think Born Tender was like the first time he just did what the fuck he wanted. Yeah, I think where he met the nuts some ship for the critics and ship for the crowd. I think that's where he finally. Okay, this is a hard one Kendrick, because I mean he's three for three if we're talking major releases. Obviously, if you throw section eighty and there,

he was four for four. But like I mean, Kendrick's got no misses on his Uh yeah, Kendrick is hard. I think I'm gonna say good kid in mass City because I felt like he literally was telling my story bar for bar, Like I'm talking about like hitting the house and shit like that and friends getting murdered and

all like literally word for word, bar for bar. I was like I was, I was hurt, like, yo, guy, why are you and somebody else tell my story like this man's telling my story, so that that resonated me with me differently. And then I liked to Pember Butterfly cosonically there it sounds like nothing I've ever heard. Yeah, if you put a gun in my head, I would say, good Combat City. But to Piper Butterflies right there too, and also to Pember Butterfly was like, it's age so well.

When it came out, it was just I feel like it's over everyone's head. Yeah, nobody couldn't up. I don't think we were ready for that. After after second, I'm not sec after it was like, Yo, I had to listen to it a couple of times, and as I listened to it, I'm like wow, and then damn, it is just a fucking you know, just press plays hit after after Yeah, broh is great. All right, last one, Drake, that's a tough one. I will say as far Ours albums is either gonna be take Care, probably take care,

take care. I want to say so far Gone because that project did a lot for me. When I first heard it, I was like, Yo, this is out of here. But uh, I say take care. If y'all listen to take care, Bro. That's hit after hit for sure. I when the hip hop head say Drake don't have a classic album, it's like, yo, bro, damn bro, that's me. I say take Care as the closest thing he has to say Care not a classic album. Well, I'm not even saying it's not a classic album because it might

be a classic to me and to you. But I just don't feel like it's like a consensus classic, like you know how like you say, like good Kid, Mad City, it's like an undeniable classic take Care. People argue whether or not it's a classic, and and so I think take Care as a classic. Personally for me, it's a classic.

There's a lot of albums I person I just don't think it's like a like a undeniable, consensus classic album, like you know when you say Doggy Style, Get Richard Die Trying, Like these are albums like nobody will ever say anything different. Take Care is close. But like you said, there's a lot of people who say Drake doesn't have a classic album. I think take Care as a classic.

I just don't think it's like it's not a consensus like yo, undeniable, nobody's gonna say shit to you if you say, you know, a Quimini from Outcast is a classic, Like, who's gonna say, like, you know what I'm saying, take care, there's some, there's some, you know some, there might be

an argument. I had this argument with my manager the other day, and I was like, go back and play the album because I think a lot of people don't realize that all those records were on that same album right, right, right a lot of times because Drake had Drake has had a crazy run. He's still in his run, right, but at that time, he was just literally like he owned the radio, he owned all the spaces. But Kendrick, yeah, bro,

like yeah, Kendrick had his own record on there. So when you go back and listen, like how many hit records he had on there that weren't like even for a radio that's just like, yo, this is just Drake. You know, I think you'll you can say that one is a classic. I don't know what whatever Crew Level was on there, right, yeah, yeah, crew Love. Yeah, you know,

I don't disagree with you. I think it's a classic, but I just think that it's not like, you know, I think I'm just waiting for Drake to drop a project that like, upon first listen, you're like, oh my god. And I'm not saying that take Care is not that, but I just mean, like you can't say shit about Good Kid Mass City. Yeah No, Like if someone told you, like, nah, that ain't a classic, you know, like like you'd be like,

you're like, shut the fuck up. But a lot of people whose opinion you would respect and hip hop might not say to take Care as a class I just mean it's a classic to me, to you subjectively, we all have our own classics, you know what I'm saying. But I just don't think Drake's got that one that like there's no argument for I think the reason why I take Care is in a classic because it's not a themed album. I think the skits on Good Kid Mass City is what makes it this classic body of work.

The same thing with a Tip of a Butterfly or even Damn. But it's like it's a cohesive body of work to where you cannot deny it. And creatively it was like a lot of just risk taking. Yeah, I just think, Yeah, I don't know, man, I love Drake. Nothing was the same my favorite Drake album, But I do think take Care my book is classic. Yeah, I used to nothing was the same clouds because that's more known. Really. Yeah, the clouds is like when you see those clouds, oh

the clouds on the album cover. Yeah, oh yeah that was That's not my Drake my favorite Drake project. Just a great album. Yeah, but it made sense, you know exactly what I'm talking about looking at those clouds. It makes sense. So yeah, so what what spark? Now you're independent? What's next for you? This this project is out, it's been going crazy, But what's next for you? So? I

got two projects in the works. I got Ignorance Part two that I'm kind of iffy on putting out because Ignorant Part one was dedicated to my brother and I don't want to step on his toes, you know, uh, and like kind of try to recreate some energy when it was like really organic. And then I'm working on on my debut even though nobody's looking for it. I'm like literally just putting songs away. So you're like official album,

like they are official, like more than seven tracks. I've never put out a eping that's more than seven tracks. I want to really have something where like it's undeniable from top to bottom. So I'm sitting on fifty sixty records, like every artist you know, sitting on a whole lot of records and just wait for the right time to put it out because I what's the right time? Though there is no right time, but like, how do you

determine that. I hate when people say that I'm waiting for the right time to put something, but I don't know. It was the right to put out idols when I put it out. But a lot of people using the pandemic on why they're not putting music. I'm like, you're fucking tripping. People are at home with nothing to do and they're listening to music. Yeah. I just feel like my thing is I always want to put out a

body of work that is cohesive. Every one of my body of works was themed, every single one of them. So I don't want to just put out a body of work just like oh, this is music here, you can have it. I might put out a single, but I don't want to just put out something that it's not like, Oh, I understand what you're trying to do here, because I feel like that's the biggest thing for me as an artist, Like Yo, he's telling stories with everything he does, and everybody at work meant something to him.

You talked about obviously the capital deal came into play and a lot of people are trying to sign you. Can you talk about like you said you were eating dinner and someone called you. Yeah, so I was eating dinner, well Thanksgiving dinner. It was like three years ago. This is years ago. Yeah, I had dropped. This is when I had dropped a many of your time, and Top caused me and he didn't He said, all I'm gonna hit you, but I didn't think he was gonna hit

me on Thanksgiving. So I'm like, who is this? He's like, this is Top. I'm like what, Like, you know what I'm saying? It was Top. So that that kind of like solidified what I was really really doing at that time. Where you already did you already make the decision to uh? I was already signed the Capital at the time, but I had already fulfilled my deal. But I still need to give him another project because I wanted to put the project out. So long story short, took the meeting

with Top. He was fucking with what I was doing, but then I still had to fulfill the rest of my duties. To Capital, and I you know, I love top Dog, Like I think that's one of those labels that represent artistic in tech, what you're doing real Like, yeah, them Dreamville. I don't know what they're finna do with pg lang, but that might be a pocket. But yeah, I really love what the guys over there that top

Dog is doing. And like, like I said, I ended up staying at Capitol, you know, for filling the rest of my deal. But yeah, I would love to work with top of like he understands what I'm trying to say. So the video you shot that went viral, It's there's been a lot of videos that have been similar to that video since it came out. Yeah. Yeah, I remember specifically when the Baby put out his video. What song

was it? The Baby? He did it for the Rock the Rockstar remix ye ye, yep, when he did a Black Lives Matter remix Yeah, and very similar almost to the t Yeah. How did you feel when you saw that? I think now because I think the Baby was like the last person that's done it right. Well yeah, because there was some other artists similar. Yeah, but uh, long story short, the Baby did and I kind of felt like, yo, I'm here to inspire. I can't be mad. And I

inspired somebody, you know. And I may not even have inspired the baby. I may have inspired his director or his team. Yeah, we were talking about that. I was like, I'm not sure the baby like saw that and was like, let's do that. It might have been a subconscious effort on his director whoever his videographer was, because it was it was like damn yeah. But then again, I put out that video back in twenty seventeen. Who's to say that his director had that in his subconscious and didn't

even remember like how to exactly. Yeah, you know, so like like I said, like he was telling the story. And if if your director is getting inspired to tell a story something similar to what I did, you know, push pushing the same message. I was gonna say, like, did you any sort of communication with him or his camp at all about it? Now? I had tweeted. I was like, Yo, this looks very familiar, and I was it. That tweet kind of went up, got a bunch of

like replies and retweets and shit like that. So that was it. But I didn't I didn't reach out to nobody. It ain't It's not my business, you know, what I'm saying. I got I got my bag, I got my deal off that video. So it's like, if you want to eat too, go ahead. You know, I'm still eating off that song. So it's like, yeah, when you when your videos are so like conceptually, so dope, like is it?

It's like, is it hard to like out like like when you shoot videos like that that are so conceptually at a high level, Like can it be frustrating to just shoot a regular video or just like everything, Like I feel like you like you gotta I don't know, I'll do yourself, but like that shit, you know you got some crazy visuals. Bro. I think I write. I write songs visually, so I see the video first video

as I'm writing while you're writing. Literally, like when I just was doing a freestyle, I have my eyes closed. I literally literally visually see what I'm saying. So a lot of times it's not hard to come up with these conceptual videos. It's hard to execute them sometimes because sometimes the idea is so grand and now, being independent, you ain't got capital that spend fifty thousand on the video, you know, like you got to come out of pocket.

So yeah, I literally visually write every song, every video. I don't know if a lot of people know, but like, like I directed and wrote those treatments for all of it. But he said, you shot that video you yourself? Right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, literally, that shit's crazy on a on a camp, I just put the camera on the floor. That was kool aid and corn starch, the blood. Yeah, but I spent seven dollars on that video and that video changed my life.

That's fucking crazy. Artists out there, don't make no fucking excuses about what you should be doing, because you can make this shit happen. They're cheap. I want I wanted to ask you. Obviously we're at the end of the year, what's your who's your like, what's your favorite album of the year. We're just talking about the Grammy nominations, but what's your personal top album in twenty twenty? Top album twenty twenty is definitely No Love Lost by Blast That's fair.

That is that an EP? That's I don't know what that is, but it's EP. But no, we were just talking about Blasting there. Yeah yeah, yeah, so about that. And by the way, the way he shopped the videos, yeah crazy. So the Homie City James directed that and he's five. You go tapping with City James and look at his videos. My god, he's really like he's vague. Yeah man, yeah, so yeah, so yeah, all right. So if we want to say blast album is not an album,

so it's called that an EP EP. He's got the Deluxe coming out, which will kind of fill it out to be down because I'm drawing a blank here. Let me see who while you're While you're looking that up, let's go through the best hip hop album nominees and who you think will win. We got Alfredo from Freddy Gibbs and Alchemist. We got Royce's album d Smoke, Black Habits, NAS's King Disease, and Jay Electronica. I think either Freddy or NAS is gonna win. They might give it Knas

might be the clear winner. You know what's funny is I said the same thing. I'm like, Freddy should win, but they might just give it to NABS because Nas never had a Grammy out of respect for the culture. So I would say one of the biggest albums and hip we say that hip hop no, no, your favorite, like album of the year, I would say, because I don't really be listening, I was like that but if I'm say albums that I listen to, I would say Pop Smoke, that sh At the Stars. That was a

great That's a great album for me. It's a great album that I listened to because I've been listening to like a lot of EPs and like that, like you do you funk with ke Bell? You know of course his little I think it was after Hours. Yeah, he's dope, He's dope. That was great. He's going to put a shirt on them that that guy never put a shirt

on my guy. But uh yeah, so yeah, I think those those projects really are something that I listened to a lot, like on repeat, especially like I was saying, like that Blast project, I'm glad you said his name because I didn't know if it was Ion or because because it's with the X is in his name, So I'm glad. I'm glad now I know how to say

his name. I don't know if he's trying to do like you know, how a Blast got like the X in his Maybe that's why he's doing it, Like that X kind of looks like a K. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why he did that. I had to ask him, like yo, just because I went to high school him, he went to We went the same high school. His project is dope though a lot of he look, there's like a lot of dope ship coming out of l A on the R and B side. Yeah, bro l a kind of kind of

doing that damn thing. Bro real definitely, No, I agree. I think Blast is uh you know, if we're talking about just bodies of work, EPs albums, it's up there man. Yeah. And I didn't know. I was looking at the credits the other day. Bro, he's producing all that himself. Yeah, I was. He was up here for the podcast and he's like Russ. He records himself, mixes and produces and

masters and like he does everything himself. Yeah it's crazy. Yeah, I record, mixed and master all my stuff, but I don't produce the beats like that making his own level, Like we start producing your ship. Well, you know the Kaaling record, the pull Up and get right with It, he produced that. Wow so that that he that's his beat over that Kaling record. Yeah, it's crazy, super crazy. Shout out to Blast man. Yeah you got music with Blast. Yeah, we gotta we got like a song we hit that.

I don't know, but hit boy. Yeah, Hip Hip produced it me him and hit. It sounds like a big move man, as like a big move for the city. It hit clear, that ship hit clear that shit. So that'd be some dope shit. That'd be some dope shit. That's the record we did like a year maybe year and a half ago. Yeah, and that's before you know, Blast was Blast. Yeah, he had literally just put up off the strength, Like, yo, brother, fuck with your shit, let's work. You know what I'm saying. I ain't even

tapped in with him. I'm like, bro fly, young man, do your thing. You know. I don't want to be the guy that, like, yo, remember this this record we got, you know, I don't want to do that. Bro Fly, spread your wings my guy, because I'm rooting for you for sure. Yeah. That pop Smoke album though. They did a great job with him, man, I thought that, you know, it's hard to pull off an album when someone's not here anymore, especially you're kind of knowing that probably a

lot of those songs weren't finished. They did a masterful job. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I wondered. I was wondering how they pulled off certain things, and I don't know how much, how much fifty. He had his hands in it, but that was it was It was dope because he had a couple of great records on there. Oh yeah, solid body of your work. Yeah, shout out to pop Smoke. So we don't have any sort of So you're you're thinking about dropping uh well, you're putting records in site for your album? Yeah, thinking

about dropping a follow up EP? Yeah next year, early next year. Yeah, I'm not gonna do it this year if I'm not, if I'm me, shit, we got three weeks left. Yeah right, so yeah, so yeah, either most likely early next year January February probably another EP and then begin working towards the album. But my manager was telling them, like, bro, just keep dropping EPs, just keep dropping a little small by sized bodies of work until people are begging for an album and then just doing

ye man, run up that catalog. Yeah bro, that's what Yeah, Bro, that's just you know, getting you know, my first independent Spotify check. I'm like, I'm gonna run up this catalog.

Just keep going because yeah, because now now you got the you got the listeners, you got the monthly listeners that are tapped in, they'll get that release radar, you know, Yeah, it's kind of crazy that we're talking out loud about this, Like it's like something you got to think about, Like, Okay, I got people on Spotify listening, so I gotta keep on feeding them. Yeah, so it hits their algorithm and their algorithmic playlist, their daily mixes and all that shit. Yeah. Man,

but it's just the world we're in, man. That's yeah, that's where we're at. And that's I realized, like you can't, especially as an independent artists. You can't wait too long. You cannot wait too long. Too long, but you also

can't overdo it, you know. So I'm like, okay, cool, I don't know who said it, Like you should kind of try to be on a three to four month when you independent, if you're doing EPs, three to four month radius to where it's like drop something with a couple of months, d drop something, because if you keep smacking people over the head every thirty days, they're gonna start listening. That's too much unless you're doing singles, yeah,

but before projects definitely. I don't know if I'm like a single artist at this point, just like like I like bodies of work towards like, oh I see what he trying to do not for sure, Yeah, yeah, I mean I get it and doing the EP thing smart, Yeah, I like, I actually like it that way. I feel like giving people's bite sized amounts of content, it's it's the way to go. I don't I get I see an album with nineteen songs on it get scared, like that's too much. Yeah, man, it's too much for me.

It's a lot. There's no bros. There's like three people in the game that I will listen to their whole album. Well, I mean, especially if it's nineteen songs. Yeah, I think Dot can drop a he could drop a forty song album and I'm in whatever Kendrick wants to just whatever, Like, yeah, I think that and Cold do you think of Drake Dropp a forty song album? You listen to all of it?

I didn't listen to all the Scorpion answer your question. So, I mean, I think I might have listened to all of it, but it was like in pieces because it was like a technically a double double album double was half all. I like the R and B side to be honest a lot on the Scorpion, but now like Drake, it took me a while, Like if Kendrick drops a forty song album, I'm gonna smoke some weeds, sit in my man cave fucking and just zone out for two hours.

Two hours, yeah, and just be like, Yo, there's no way Kendrick's gonna drop a forty song album and it not be a masterpiece. Drake drop a forty song album, You're like, well, you know that Chris Brown did? That? Was it last year? Christ thirty six? Albums thirty six? It was some crazy some of the Red Moon or something like that? Was man. I was like, Yo, damn Breezy, I'll fuck with you, bro, But I'm I mean, I got ship to do, I got life to live. The

songs I need to hear will make their way to me. Yeah, Bro, I feel like I feel like I was just talking about that. That Chris Brown record is one of my favorite records right now though him a young thug. Oh yeah, I listened to that record every day. Again, that's a radio record I don't typically Yeah, crazy, great beautiful song. Yeah yeah, bro, So shout to Chris Brown, man, Yeah. Many. Let me ask you something is Chris Brown? Is he the most talented artist we've ever seen? I think he

would be I think unfortunately that incident with him Rihanna. No, No, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about is he the most talented artist. I'm saying yes. I feel like he would be god level had he not done some stuff in his adolescence. I think he's god level. You think he is. I don't think he gets to shine and he deserves. But I'm not talking about the shine or the record. I'm talking about talent. Yeah, god level. Yeah. I've been extremely critical of Chris Brown and his personal

decisions outside of the Rihanna thing. Yeah, but Jesus Christ's he's out of this world. I'm like, how do you still are you making fifty song projects? Bro? He's an alien man and he can dance. He can paint a mural on a Ferrari Yeah, he can sing a jump shot yeah, solid on the Celebrity Basketball game. Yeah he was. He was really mixing people. He could act. Yeah. Yeah.

I think about like I said, I hope we give that man his roses, bro, because he's really a great yeah man, And I'm being very critical, but I'm like, yo, like, I don't know if there's been another more talented human being that we've seen in the public eye besides Chris Brown. Now you might argue that there's people who's made better music, but just pure talent. Chris Brown has got people. Chris Brown makes phenomenal music. Who's really making better music than

Christ Down? I mean, you know, I think if I mean not anymore, I was gonna say Kanye, but not anymore, But Jesus Jesus King is it could turn. I don't know all this fucking that non No song Kanye Drop is the worst fucking Kanye song he's ever released besides the The Scoop shit. But that was he was trolling and that beat was fire on the poop the Scoop shit. That beat was crazy what I wanted to I really would have loved to have heard what Drake did on

that because that was Drake's beat. Yeah, that's what Drake was saying, like Kanye gave it to him, did that shit on top of it. But yeah, I just hope Kanye pulls his head out the ground and just starts getting back. I don't know, man, I don't know how if he can be as a greade of an artist as we would want him to be while he's like a hardcore Christian. I think I know one of the producers that's over there, Damn Joints, and he's like, really out of this Them Joints produced the Not on Us. Yeah,

great beat, Yeah bro. So I know that because I've written records with him and he's produced a couple records for me. He's artistic integrity. So I'm pretty sure if he's rubbing shoulders with Kanye, I'm pretty sure in the next project. I have faith in this next body of while. So I just feel like people are just like, I'm just happy to be in the room with Kanye. Let him do whatever bullshit he wants to do, and we're just here for it because he's yay and we grew

up loving him. And yeah, he's my favorite artist ever. Yeah, like number one. I mean he's not my favorite MC ever, But like artists wise, I don't feel like anyone's ever made better music and hip hop than Kanye West. Yeah. Artistry, yeah, I don't. I don't think nobody. Yeah, I think if I think, if Kendrick gives us something completely different on his next project, this is what I always say to people, right, So everyone puts Biggie in there, and I put Biggie

in my top ten. Bigg's one of my favorite rappers ever. But Biggie is consistently putting people's top five, top three, top two, whatever off of two albums two Right two classics, Life After Death, Ready to Die, incredible bodies of work, undisputable classic albums. But Kendrick he's dropped. I mean, I can can consider section eighty at classic. But if we with discard section eighty because some people it wasn't a mixtape. You couldn't download it for free, you had to buy

it on iTunes. But if you just take his three albums that came out through Interscope untitled A side, like, you gotta put Kendrick, He's like four or five all time in my book, man, Like, I don't see how you could, like, like when you drop music that's on that level three times in a row, four times in a row to me, you know, because I think section eighty's amazing, Like, bro, what are we talking about? I think it's just because he's young and he's here right now.

That's what it is. That's what it is. And Michael's thinking, oh, maybe it's recency bias. Like no, Kendrick is fucking that dude, Bro, and nobody wants to smoke with Kadot Who would? Who would? Who would do that? This man has been throwing subliminal shots at Drake and Bro. Who wants smoke with Kendrick? Nobody will say his name because they will get destroyed. Like the Control Verse was such a moment man shout out to Kendrick man top five all time top Yeah.

I think I think people want to deny that because, like I said, because he's here and a lot of times people, you know, you pass away and you just become this super idol. Lord forbid. If Kendrick passed away, everyone would be like, Yo, he's top three all time, you know, and it's whacked that that's the type of shit that has to happen. Yeah, I think Kendrick is on another level because and I think that's the difference between Cole and Kendrick is Kendrick knows how to make

hit records and keep him conscious. Like dam was all hit records, Bro, and they're all conscious records. You can't really me being a conscious artist. I know the difficulty of having some shit that not, but it's like I'm really telling you something, you know that's that's really difficult, you know. So I think if if we want to have that conversation, the top five, come on, Man, I don't know who, Like, I don't know who. You can

find four other like who? Yeah, I feel like there's like, you know, probably a six or seven rapper arrange that you could kind of rearrange into, like who's the top five? Ever? But like, I feel like Kendrick's in that conversation. It's close. I want to ask you a question because I'll always ask people this question and nobody can ever answer it. Or let's just say Kendrick, Cole and Drake are at the top of the game. Who's in that space to even be close to it? That's not bound level. It's

like a long three mile gap in between that. Who is even a mout up in that gap? You know? What's interesting is I don't think we put Kanye in that conversation because I don't think people think I think Kanye has to be the fourth guy there, just consistency over the last twelve, fifteen years whatever. But I also don't think Kanye like lyrically is on that level. But yeah, I don't know, man, the first name that comes to mind and I would be like a Big Sean maybe

or like yeah, but but it's afar, it's far. If Kendrick Cole and Drake are tense, what would Big Sean be a six? No disrespect right right? Right, Well, that's what I'm saying, like you seven, eight and nine that you know it's it would have to yeah, Like I'm just trying to think. So I'm thinking Big Sean is kind of that next tier and then like, yeah, I don't know, man, who else is not just just overall greatness.

That's that's right now, that's relevant right now. Of course you can throw Dre I mean not Dre Jay in there, jay Z in there, but he's already he's already past the generation. Yeah, I'm thinking right now, And and I think you would have you would have to put Kanye in that top tier. But like, I don't think relevance as an artist at the moment is not what we're looking at ya for at the moment. I think we're

looking at him for things he's done already. Yeah, So I would just say that those are the three and I'm not sure where you know, if we're talking like impact, commercial success, artistic integrity, Like yeah, those those are the three and and and and anything below that is very

far away, very very very very It's a gigantic gap. Yeah, I mean there's independent artists that are super like I think, you know, I think Freddy Gibbs has had a great run recently, you know, I think you can look at Yeah, but like we're talking Cole Kendrick Drake for ten years. I mean, Good Community was twenty twelve. Yeah, Born Center was twenty twelve, I think, yeah, it was, it was. It was twenty thirteen. It came out the same day as Jesus. Yeah, and Take Take Care was what twenty eleven,

twenty twelve? Yeah, yeah, you're right, those are the three. I don't know who else you would say, Man, there's people who've had their pockets and their runs, but like not a decade, bro a decade of consistently being the fucking guys turning on the radio. And it's like, especially Drake, what Drake doesn't play fair, don't I just like, dude, he's so like Drake's no one's ever been able to make songs that are like like he's the biggest hip

maker ever. Like it's just not fair, Like Drake can literally do anything, and it's just it's it's number one, or it's it's it's like, it's just really not fair. I think that we've never seen anything like that ever in hip hop. Like what Drake's doing, we've never seen. You could say, well, Wayne had a couple of year run where he was like no, no, no, no, no, no,

what Drake's doing, nobody's ever done. You know. It's crazy, though, If I tell you name your top five rappers, people don't even put Drake in the I'm not a big Drake though, because why don't we respect that? Man? My manager told me he was like those references man kind of killed it for me. Man. When I heard the Running through the sixth, I was like, oh, oh, people, you're not gonna get in that discussion. But no, no no, But and the thing is is for me, that's why

he can't be in in that discussion. But he could be in the biggest artist of all time discussion. He could be in the biggest hip Like I don't put Kanye in the greatest MC discussion. Yeah, but it's one of the biggest artists. But but yeah, because I know that Kanye openly has people write him for him. Yeah, you know, like Ryan Fest wrote Jesus Walks. I didn't know that. Yeah, Ryan Fest wrote that song. Wow. So

you know that doesn't take away from Drake. Like I told you, Kanye is my favorite artist, but I can't put him in that conversation, just like I can't put Drake in that conversation. But Drake don't play fair man. You think Drake got somebody writing his bars? I don't know. I think I mean, you go listen to that he rapped rewrapped all them Quentin Miller bars. Those were verses. But that's not even our favorite Drake project. But do

you think he got another secret person? You know a lot of people like that if you're reading this tool, Yeah, people really like that project. Yeah, because that was like him, that was like his rapping ass rapping project. And the fact that that was his rapping ass rapping project and there was what two references I believe there's just not

that least three three. Yeah, So that's why I'm like, I don't care, because he makes enjoyable music and he also delivers them because if you listen to the Quentin Miller versions of those songs, they sound as and then Drake gets on him and you're like, oh shit, yeah, Drake, don't play fair, man, it's unfair. No one's ever done what he's he's doing. I'm not sure anyone will ever do what he's doing. Yeah, it's like Drake the Weekend, Bruno Mars. Yeah, like like when we're just talking about

commercial success, who the fuck is touching Drake? Bro, he could do another ten years like with his eyes closed. Yeah, Bro, it's it's it's ridiculous. He could do yeah, bro. And I'm a critical Drake fan, like I'm I think that there's a lot of things he hasn't done that I would like to see him do. I would like to see him make a concept project. All right, So look, this is what I'm about to say. Earlier, So I was on a you tapped it on Clubhouse man. I was on there, Man, I got it, bro, but I

just like, I don't got time for that. Yeah that shit, take your time, but it's good, like if you're driving or some shit. But like, so, long story short, I was having a conversation and they were saying that Drake isn't one of the best lyricists ever, right, And I was saying, if we like to be wold By like

super duper triple on tandras and all the other stuff. Right, But if you can say something so simple that a baby can understand it, a teenager can understand it, and a grandmother can understand it, does that make not make you one of the best lyricists because it's so easily easy to digest. Sometimes Kendrick will say some shit that if you're not a rap head, you have no idea

what he's talking about. Same thing with Cole. But if Draken simplifies so much to what every single person can understand it, but it's still the dopest line ever, does that not make him one of the greatest lyricists ever? I think if he's writing those bars, if he's writing them, and yeah, I think Drake is an elite MC yeah, yeah, I just don't know what is he writing? What is he not? I don't know. So the question that I

don't know would you be heard? Would you be would you hear lets you say some something came out like cold wasn't rightdow Ship? Would you be hurt? Of course? Of course I'd be like, what like if someone told me Kendrick didn't write his ship or there was I would. I would be heartbroken, That's what That's what Head had asked me, Like, Yo, what if you found out Pockin Biggie had ghostwriters? How would you feel about yourself? I'm like, Dad,

I don't know what I would do. I mean, I think that there's a lot of our our I think that there's some substantial situational evidence that Wayne has had some help with some of his bars. I think when this is my own bias, but I think when Drake first came out, I think Drake was helping Wayne with some bars, because there was very similar when Drake had ly the Kid. Yeah, we know that, but that wasn't long cool man. We know that though, because you remember

there was such a jump. Yeah, because like Wayne was like block is hot five hundred degrees and then all of a sudden just he was rapping, rapping, and he was always solid, Like I always thought he was the best dude in the Hot Boys as far as like who I like to hear rap? But you know, obviously Droven Out probably made the best music in that era. But there was a big jump man his pen game. He took a fucking leap on Carter one and those squad of mixtapes and all that shit. So yeah, I

don't know. I also know people who have been in the studio with Wayne and they're like, he's an alien. He goes in and it's all off the top of his head and it's you know, I'm not I'm a little Wayne fan, but I'm very you know critical. Well, you know people people really put Wayne in Like, if you put Wayne in your top five, I just can't take you serious. Really, I just can't do it, man,

my god, I can't do with god. I don't know if Wayne would be top five, but if he definitely in the top seven, come on now, I can't do it. Wayne also had like an eight year run. Well he didn't have a year run. What was it like two thousand? Think about so really think about think about his run. Right, So, I believe Carter one was five. I was still in high school. I was gonna best buy when Carter one came out four oh five. I think it was oh five. I know Carter two was seven or eight, right, and

then No. Eight was Carter three. So Carter three came out in eight. I know that for sure. Okay, because that was the first year I ever got arrested. Four was Carter one? Yeah, so that was my junior year in high school? Man, when was Carter two? Was that six o seven five? Wow? Okay my freshman year? Well so think about this, right, Carter one and Carter two.

Carter two is my favorite Wayne album. But Carter one and Carter two, Wayne wasn't the biggest fucking guy, Like he wasn't like the guy yet those were albums where people are like, oh shit. Then Carter two came out. He started calling himself the best rapper alive. Right, He had a song on there called exactly And even then, like if you think about Carter two, like what was the hit record, like the undeniable hit record, It wasn't go DJ, wasn't like a super smash and was that

was go DJ? Carter one? Yeah, Carter one, So go DJ was Carter one. That record was dope and it got radio play. But like his commercial foot like I think after Carter two he started that feature run in that Drought, the Drought series and all that shit, dedication, dedication shit, and then Carter three was like the cherry on top bro and during that whole run he was

just on everybody. Shit. So I would argue to say that Wayne's run as the guy probably started in like seven Carter three dropped, that was the peak, and then by like twenty ten it was Drake's world. Yeah, so you say he had a three year run as the guy, bro as the guy, I don't know. Maybe because I'm a rapper, rapper bro. When he was putting out the Dedication one and that's what two thousand and six, like,

come on, now you know what's crazy? I was like, that was a run all my favorite all my favorite Wayne shit is shit isn't even on, like it's all it's on that pif Yeah, bro that yeah Wayne. But I just don't like, no, no, no no, like if you're counting like Carter one all the way. So I just think that after Carter three he dropped No Ceilings, which to me was the last great lyrical little Wayne. Yeah, because I wasn't a fan of Carter four. It had

some hits on it. Yeah. By the way, motherfuckers in the comments hate me because I just had J Mills up here and I was shitting on the Carter four. Was not a fan of the Carter four. Huge drop off to me, major, right, And then he did I'm not a human being revolver. He just had a lot of stuff that just wasn't He went to the rock world and it just wasn't like the level of like when even the tapes he dropped after that were just

kind of whatever. It was like like no ceilings three just came out and it's like I haven't heard it yet. I mean, it's cool, there's some shit on there. Yeah, but all right, let's just say this. So then the Trump endorsement, you got to knock it out the top ten. But you know why he did it. He did it to get the parted and for these federal charges you got. You gotta know that that's coming. Because he's got those gun charges that they just brought up on him. He

might go to prison. I didn't know that. When I saw that, I was like, oh, the Trump thing makes sense. Trump's gonna part of Little Wayne. I put a thousand dollars. Trump has to part in Lil Wayne. There's no way Little Wayne took a picture with his ass. We're in that goofy ass sweater and Trump don't give him a fucking party. How many parties do the president get as many as he wants? It's unlimited. God damn, he getting a party. But look, I'm gonna say this. You're saying that,

and I'm not mad at him. If he gets the part, if he gets to parton, it's all good. I get it. Bro, you want to do fifteen years of prisoner, go take a picture with the fucking you know, biggest skysucker in the world. I mean, look, I get it. Hey to each their own, but look, this is what I'm about to say. For you to say that Wayne Runn may not have been that long, but when it comes to

influence in today's world, sen is the biggest. Come on, So why is he not in what are we just basing of If he's one of the greatest lyricists we've ever heard, some of his punchlines is out of this world? Right? No? No, I mean I don't know if he's one of the greatest lyricists. Oh my god, he's just a top twenty lyricist. Oh top twenty. Like would you put as a lyricist

you said lyricist? Yeah, but he's not a storyteller. He's not gonna give you a story but you But if're talking about saying lyrics sing dope ship, than there I mean, we don't want to dive in that hole because I'll start the name and names that you'll get mad about. So Rayce the five nine is a better lyricistan Little Wayne bro So how this Braddy gives a better lyricists? Little Wayne? Killer Mike's a better lyricist a little Wayne. You said lyricists, You said Loupe Fiasco better lyricist than

little is one of the greatest lyricists ever. But he just don't get the like Lil Wayne is not even like sniffing that level of lyricism. So do you think do you think Drake is a better lyricist of those than your name? Because Wayne, do you think when it comes to rapping and punch lines triple on tandras, who's really touching him other than Jay? When it comes to races to five nine? Yeah, loop A Fiasco, Yeah, Killer Mike Uh. I mean, but they're not on that eminem eminem. Yeah,

He's is a man of words. Andre three thousand, Andre three thousand. I mean, I could keep going, but I don't don't. I'm not I've never tapped into Royce. I've never tapped into Killer Mike, Jay Electronica, never tapped into Ja Electronica, Jay Electronica, col Rap come on no at all projects because I heard that project. I skimmed through it. Well. That project did not deserve no. I don't disagree with you. Listen. I don't have no disrespect to them. I don't know

they washed that man on that record. I don't listen. I don't know Jay Electronica. I have no dog in the Jay Electronica fight. He should not have gotten nominated. There's a there's a some others that probably shouldn't have gotten nominated. But you know some homies of mine that got nominated. I'm happy for. Yeah, what album do you feel like should have got on there? I feel like Roddy rich and Little Baby Little Baby, Bro. Little Baby

has had one of the greatest years. Roddy Richard Little Baby. Yeah. Oh yeah, so I forgot about right his album came out. But I say a Little Baby is the best album of this year. Then I like Little Baby Baby. I don't album better than crazy about Little Baby is. If you're like a hardcore hip hop head, you can still listen to his album and it's like this ship is fire, bro, He's really talking about some shit. Yeah, Little baby crazy. Now I'm a huge fan of I didn't know bro

it was that young. He's like twenty five years old. I think he's younger than that. Twenty five. Yeah they did. They just did the thirty on the thirties twenty five. I think he's twenty five. Yeah, they just did the Forest thirty on the thirty. No, listen, I think Wayne is dope. I just twenty six. He's twenty six. Wow. I thought he was younger than that. I thought he was like twenty two or something. Oh oh, today's birthday, Happy birthday, a little baby yo. So yeah, man, Wayne

is fire. But I just think we put so much. He influences different influence. There's I mean, okay, where do you put Tupac in your top as far as influence, He's like number one or two one Yeah, because I'm from the West. No, No No, but like overall, Tupac influenced everybody. Everybody like Tupac is. Probably he's the most influential rapper I think. Ever, Yeah, it's like him. Yay ho Wayne. I feel like where hip hop is and low key

future where hip hop is. If you got to give Drake a lot of credit as far as influence like see, I think nobody was singing Drake was influenced by Ita Wates and Heartbreaks, but he was, he was, He didn't say will Yeah, yeah he did. But as far as making a whole career out of rapping and singing, no rappers like hip hop is now typically art. It's like basically it'sodic in R and B. Sure Drake's up there too, nobody was really doing that. That's how Fitty end of

Jar rules career. Like Bro, you singing on records, that's what we're doing. Yeah, I think it's Pac. I think Wayne is up there and influence Wayne lyrics, poc storytelling. I want to visualize your lyrics pop well, I don't feel like Pac was gonna give you like crazy crazy bar. He's just gonna make you feel it emotionally. I think Tupac. I would listen to Tupac ten times out of ten

over Lil Wayne. Now, do I think Lil Wayne is probably technically a better lyricist like talking about data, Yeah, probably, But Tupac, like you said earlier about Drake, Chupac can say some shit so simple and it just like hits you. Yeah, And that's a fucking talent in itself. It's the emotion in Tupac's voice that that made sense. Yeah what Yeah, but I well, we ain't told about we said Tupac and Wayne. But hold on, I gotta send We got Pete Rock Collen in on zoom, hold on the time

of that twol forty five. Okay, we got twenty minutes. Give me a sick Sorry guys, mid podcast text rapping up. So yeah, shout out to Wayne. I'm a Wayne fan. I enjoyed the Wayne. I I like, I enjoy the Wayne. I enjoy But man, man, these young kids, Bro. I

had some guy in here tell me that. Bro, there's this kid named Veno, this rapper who I'm working with, and he's twenty three, and with a straight face, he told me no one's had a better ten years in hip hop history than Lil Wayne from ninety eight to eight. And I said from ninety eight, Like what did you just say? I wanted to smack him and kick him out of jay Z. He wasn't think about JAYZ, bro or DMX or fifty or like during that span. Like what Anyway, I don't think anyone's ever had a bigger

two or three year running fifty. Yeah, fifty was the biggest motherfucker on the planet. It's fifty. I think the two biggest rappers ever at their peak was Snoop and fifty Like Doggie style Snoop. He's on the cover of Fuck's Peak. Bro, he was. Bro. Now I'm talking about it. I'm talking bro, nah, bro god level. It was a point where Wayne anything that Wayne touched. But I think seven oh Wayne, like he's in that top five run

with his peak? How high he got? Bro? You know Wayne's up there his period of time where he was like the biggest, didn't he When was the last time? I know? We in a different ERAa now, But Wayne didn't do like one point three million in a week when he dropped Carter three, Like, come on, now, that's a run bro. You yeah, yeah, I don't think. I think. I don't know. I think Marshall mallers up. He did in the age too well. To be honest, I mean, it's no, no, no no, yeah, But I just think peak

is it's Snoop and it's it's fifty. Yeah what fifty sons first week? I don't remember that. Sure you ever remember somebody coming out of the debut album with more anticipation than fifty. Yeah, that shit was crazy. I wonder how the fun did it happen like that because it wasn't like he was doing a crazy feature run. It wasn't like in the Club was that ship, it was a it was it was like, I can't remember a

bigger song than in the Club. I remember having that shit on a Casele mixtape on my disc man in high school and me and my friends would just listen to in the Club with all the drops and shoutouts over and over. I feel like I'm gonna say this and this might be crazy. Bro. I feel like as big as The Box was, if we were in the selling record time, I feel like it would have did those type of numbers. Bro. Definitely, the Box was one

of the craziest records I've heard. I agree wholeheartedly. Literally, my car, Bro, I call that ship right away. When I was I was in Hawaii listening to the album and they were like, yoyo, we should be playing uh. I forget which record that they wanted to play at the station because it had a feature on it had uh you talking about the one with h the dude from the kid from New York. Hey Buggy on it record. There was a record on there and they were like,

no, no no, we're gonna go. This one's got the big feature until the label picks it. I'm like, bro, the boxes the box like track two, yeah, track two right, Oh my god. I heard that. I was like, oh my god. I showed it to everybody. I think Roddy Rich and Post Malone have the best melodies in the

history of music. I hate to say that because people are gonna hate kill me in the comments, but bro, the way Roddy Rich can skate in a verse melodically, the pockets he hits on his melodies, it's fucking crazy, at least in the in the last like ten years. I don't know about the history of There's Michael Jackson, there's Quincy Jones, here was fucking you know, Lionel Ritchie and shit. But god, did Drake hits some crazy pockets? No, no, Drake. But I just think Drake and Post like they're like,

melody game is so unfair. I'd be like, it's impossible for Roddy Rich to not make a song that is easy to listen to. Yeah, Like, I've never heard of Roddy record that. I'm like, man, turn that shit off. Yeah, it's like all his record like post Malone's the same way. Like, even if you're not a post Malone fan, all his music, you got to get ros here. Oh my god, bro, it's crazy. He's one of those artists that literally just makes his after hits, that's all he does. And then

Roddy's gonna be the same way. Yeah. I'm excited to see what Roddy does next because I got a feeling it's coming soon. We'll see. Been a year since the album dropped. Yeah, it came out last December. I was in Hawaii. It was just it came out the same the same week they Juice World died. Wow. Yeah, it's crazy. I remember I was in Hawaii for the first time, riding around convertible listening to Roddy's album and found that

Juice World died. I was like, fuck yeah, shout out to uh to Roddy Rich though, But yo, man, your project Idols is out, ye go follow. We actually got a freestyle dropping with him too that will come out a few days after this comes out. So being a lookout for that and being a look out for a lot of stuff with you, you can stay in the him for a while. Yeah. Man, that's the way. I'm good on bread, So there you go. Yeah that's bro. Yeah, I'm good on bread, so I don't need to do

no crazy deal. And like I said, it's it's it's labels that I would want to work with. Drop some fucking merch man. Yeah, you're gonna talk. You gonta run that merch up, Bud. Yeah, I'm gonna rush some sh it up Katry Walker. If you haven't heard his ship, go tap in, tap in Boom.