#32 - Drakeo The Ruler

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to have that night show. You know, obviously at the expense of me not being on it anymore, but it actually feel really good about it. So we actually have so many interviews that we've been just cramming, quite literally cramming. And you know, I'm been on vacation, Erica Rock's been on vacation. Christmas has happened in Erica Rocks out of town for people who don't know who Erica Rock is. He produces the show, it cuts it up, does a lot.

So we have so many interviews in the can that we're gonna be releasing over the next like two two and a half weeks. Some dope ones, d d G, Stupid Young Paul Stewart who's got a crazy story, Katory Walker, Damn Jay Stone, some dope shit coming up, supposed to be getting on Zoom with Azy too, uh, and then just man listen. Twenty twenty one of this podcast is gonna be fucking crazy. Just for me is gonna be crazy. So I'm just excited. Man. I just want to shout

out to everybody who's been supporting and keep supporting. Much love, and shout out to all the haters too, man I really I really enjoy y'all even more than the supporters, you know what I'm saying. Also tomorrow, if you're listening to this, it's Wednesday, Tomorrow's Christmas. Even tomorrow, I'm dropping the podcast with beat Out beat Out Miller from rap Radar, kind of like the year end wrap up podcast that

we're doing. So pretty excited to have that drop tomorrow on Christmas Eve where we kind of just go over the entire year in hip hop, over his list, my list, and yeah, really dope interview. It was not even interview, just a really dope podcast would beat Out coming out tomorrow, So we're going back to back today's episodes with Draco the Ruler. Anybody who's from LA who's tapped into the

hip hop scene here knows this guy. You know, he's been locked up since late twenty seventeen early twenty eighteen, just got out recorded a whole album. This was recorded a few weeks ago. So this was recorded before it came out that Drake sent him a feature, so we did not talk about him working with Drake, but we had a great interview. He's definitely one of the more

unique artists in the city. You know, I feel like a lot of people have kind of, you know, done their own version of what he was doing a few years ago. So he's out of jail and as a dope, interesting dude man, And you know, I really enjoyed our conversation. Shout out to our podcast sponsors. We gotta shout them out. Salutes to odd socks. Man. It's Christmas time, New Year's Eve, whatever the fuck. What you need is some odd socks

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Ruler Man Episode number thirty something. Man, salute to everyone supporting. We about to hit that fifty two mark real quick. You know what I'm saying. Let's get into it. The Bulllet Cat Podcast Draco the Ruler Yo, Bulet Cat podcasts. Man, this guy right here, his new project is out. He's fresh out. Well, I mean it's been a few weeks that you've been out, like three now, like fresh out from like after the election. Right Yo to homi, Draco

the Ruler is here. Welcome sir, Welcome home too, man exactly. I haven't seen you everywhere making all the stops. I was just telling TK how impressed I was. We were just talking about just the work ethic, how fast you cranked out a whole project and it wasn't like it was an ep like like how like first of all, what about two and a half weeks you recorded this thing. I really recorded, and like like five days. It took

a little minute to min engineer to mix everything. Were you like when you're locked up, I know you gotta be writing, right of course? Every day were you getting like you were getting beats? Though? Nah, sometimes I was listening. I was listening to a lot of beasts. But most of the shit, I was just writing, like just trying to keep a melody in my head and just writing. I didn't know that it was just gonna go to most of the beast that I was doing. But yeah,

that's crazy. So a lot of the records that you wrote, you came out and just applied those to beats that you found. Basically most of the beast was jig bees. But that's when I did the tape in jail and then the other shit. I was just like I wrote it like two weeks before I got out. Help me understand, we know the truth. What are you referring to? What's the truth. I'm the truth. That's just we know the truth.

Like they didn't go down there, you know, everything, like me being in jail, everything I went through, all the people that got on when I was in jail, just everybody know the truth. It's like when I got out, everybody like, oh yeah, like it's over for a lot of people. You know, the real is here. I just like, we know the truth. That's what I wanted to It's interesting because you know yourself and Greto, I feel like kind of really helped kick off a wave in LA.

And I don't think a lot of people, like you said, we know the truth. I understand what you're alluding to, but I don't think a lot of people understand that fully. And it's it's it was. It was bad that you know, both y'all ended up going away, you know what I'm saying,

Free Grido. But uh, now that you're out, you've seen a lot of people pop, right, A lot of people who maybe borrow from what you do sonically, A lot of people, right, what what is the like like like you didn't expect to get out of jail, No, not like that. Right, So now that you're home, like, like, how do you feel about just the landscape of La hip hop from when you went into where it is now?

I mean it's cool because it's a lot more like young people that's on now and there's not as many like older people that's like trying to like hog it and shit like and trying to not like put people on. There's more young people now, so I kind of like that because when I was first rapping, like I was getting into it with all the older dudes because they didn't want to help us out. So when I came to jail, it's like all the people that was like under me or like you know, like looked up to me,

they all start getting on. So I kind of like it. It's kind of cool, you know. Yeah, there's like a whole like wave of guys like Rouccie, like what Jay Chhike, Like, there's like and also I feel like too's dope about the LA scene. It's for the most part, for the most part, it seems like a lot of camaraderie. Yeah, I don't for the most part. I mean it's LA.

They ain't gonna be a lot like you can't ever say it's all you know, everyone's cool because it's La, you know what I'm But it feels like, you know, you'll see she jumping on records with with like you see everyone working together. For the most part, that's got to feel dope. And then obviously you're you come home. You're like, you're like a lot of these kids, O G. Which is kind of crazy to say, yeah, because I'm not even that old. But I'm an old nigga now,

like and my like my generation, I'm old now. I guess were you, like, I don't know what were you able to get access to to music and ship while you were locked up? Yeah? I heard, I heard a lot of a lot of stuff and who that that's popped off since you were in jail? Like, did do you appreciate their music from from the city, like, you know, because it's been a lot. It's been a short time.

It's been three years, right, three years, A lot happened a lot of man, I guess, uh, I want to take ja uh like being know, I like blast like there's a lot of people though like many people like, man, it's a lot it's a lot of people. I mean shortlining them. They was already probable when I was outs. Uh, I ain't really like I don't know so many people and so many people like I don't know, but those like the main ones, and I like, let me ask you this, because when Nipsey died, it hit the city

like a tidal wave. I had never seen Bro bigger than even when Kobe died. Rest Kobe, but you being in jail and experiencing that, you know, whether or not you had a relationship with him, just being from La, what was that like, like like going through a loss like that for La, Like while you're locked up, Like what was the temperament inside? I mean it was crazy because I ain't that was the only person that I could just like be like all right, that's cool. He

still come to the hood and stuff like that. So after that, I was like, yeah, I ain't coming back, like I'm not going to be driving the hood doing the same stuff. Like I'm like, yeah, I could happen to anybody. That was the only person I can say that was doing that. So I'm like kind of had me like, nah, I gotta stay away when I get out. Yeah, it's almost like it it shows you like even like you know, with all the positivity he was bringing to

this neighborhood, it didn't matter. Yeah, basically, like people don't care. They just haters. Is that something? Because you know I think that a lot of people they they go to jail, will come out and you know, they don't necessarily change their their habits their circle. Is that something like when you're when you're in there thinking about like shit, when I get out, I got to reevaluate this, this this, Oh yeah for sure, for sure. It's a lot of

people I'm dealing with that right now. Sure, yeah, I got it. Yeah, that's all I was thinking about who to keep around, who not to keep around, how it's gonna be. I just didn't know it was gonna be like this when I got out, Like people was telling me in jail, like you don't know, like it be people that just came to jail, Like you don't know, bro, Like you know, you think you know, like, but you don't know how it's gonna be when you get all like like it's a whole different, like you way bigger

than what you think about. You've just been in jail for a long time, so you don't know. Then when I got I was like, wow, it is different. It's crazy now yeah, I mean, I mean gifted a curse, right you're going to Joe almost added to like the allure of of your of you as an artist. Yeah, pretty much kind of like when Boozie got out, he was you know what I'm saying, Like it just added to like, you know what I'm saying, Like, and I think also your the circumstances of your case were very

it felt like some bullshit. So even people who necessarily weren't tapping with your music, when they found out about what was going on, they were like, Yo, this is crazy, Like people are just rooting for you. You know what I'm saying, there's a lot of people who wasn't a lot of people who wasn't rooted for me, who wasn't rooting for you. I'm not saying the same names, but like who like, uh, the older does the people that have been in the game for a minute, la rappers?

That's fair. I could see that. Yeah, Yo, what what do you think? Because it was this judge that was really she had like a vendetta for you, right she was because she did not like me at all. I don't know what it was. Maybe because I was a rapper because she told me that in Coral. I don't know if you think because you're a rapper, like you don't got to listen to the rules. I'm like, you could have just said this for a jump. Don't make it seem like you don't like me. Bro, Like it's

almost like an example or some shit. Pretty much, that's exactly what it was. I mean, I was, I still was trying. It didn't work though, So then she got bounced right in the election. Is that what happened? That's the day she got or it was the d the dager, But once the election happened, Yeah, she got kicked the book. It almost happened like simultaneously. It was like the election happened, and then it was like, oh, he's coming home. Pretty much all of a sudden, they had a deal. All

of a sudden, you can go home right now. I'm like, after all this, like y'all could have been letting me go right right, right right? How many you know? It's crazy because in the music industry, we have a lot of people who are acquaintances. Yeah, very few people who are real friends, right. You make music with a lot of people who was checking in on you the most

while you were locked up. In the hip hop community, I mean, I'm you know, artists wise shzz Black, oh jeez uh yeah, nobody else besides like Nah just them, Ohlo Yatio Yachty, nobody else. Yo Yati is always tapped in bro and he's on the album Yeah were you you guys you guys had a relationship prior to Yeah, I was, Yeah, I was fucking up. That's my boy, yo. What what what date did you get locked up? January sixth, twenty eighteen. It's crazy how many people's careers are over

since then. Yeah. Crazy. A lot of people came and went, came and with in two years. Yeah. I mean, you know, you can only be it can only make so many memes out of you before you get tired of that, like before the music has to catch it. I mean, like the music gotta be good adventure. At some point, it's like, all right, it was funny, now jokes up right over? Is that something for you? Like getting out

and this there? Now there's TikTok. Yeah, now there's stuff like that ship that wasn't going on when you can win in that's what they like. Damn. I gotta be like a dancer nigga to get on like like because every president that I hadn't heard of, like I didn't hurt, they song like be hard and then I found out they got a dance to it, and that's what blew it up. Like, man, I'm not a dancer, bro, Like it's like and like TikTok is like the one app that like if you're like a real one, you you're

like dog, that's goofy. Yeah, Like I mean I made one just because they made you gotta make that. But I was just like right right, right, right right, all right, bro, TikTok? Yes, what is the one thing that changed since you went in, like since you got out, whether it's TikTok or the industry or whatever that like surprised you the most when

you got out. Man, it's COVID nineteen shit. Man, I didn't know it was this serious with the mask and all that, Like they really like I was in a bereage and they're like you have to put your mask on on. I'm like, it is on. I just pulled it down to drink something. Bro Like he was tripping on me. It was kicked me out the wall. I was like, bro, it's not this serious. Bro. So in jail they weren't like no. All they would do was

like quarantine, like the whole row. And then in two weeks later it's like, Okay, you guys are all cool now. I'm like them, they they didn't test you, Yeah, they tested everybody Yeah, that shit hurt. Oh that ship it's like a brain ta. Yeah. I was like when I seen it on the commercial, I didn't think it was like that, but they stuck it all the way up there, like oh no, I started pulling back. It was stuck in there. I've never done cocaine, but I just assumed

that that might be what it feels like. Yeah, I've never I've never put nothing in my nose. I was scared, but when they did, I was like, this muss would have been like the sniffle line or something. That shit sucks. Yeah. Nah, Yo, So before you went in, uh you were you? Obviously there's a very public beef between you and r J. No more no no more. I was gonna ask you, man, just a nice guy. You guys got past that, Yeah, I mean we got pasted it before I went to jail.

So I don't know what. I don't know. I guess that was the only thing they could use in my case. I don't know, to make it look like something. I guess how dope was the moment? Were you in jail when him and Grito did their show? Yeah? Did you hear about it when you were in jail? I don't know what told Grieda to do it. I told him, don't take it. Don't take it for it's not gonna go nowhere, make some money off it. If you're gonna

do it, then they had to shoe. So, yeah, was that dope to see, like because that was a I think that's gonna like in ten years, twenty years from now, that's gonna be one of those moments in LA hip hop history that we might not have known how special it was, but the fact that those two crews were on stage at the same time it's happened. It was peaceful. Yeah,

that's like. I guess that was like the first verses then, if you want it was the first verses if you want to be technical, Yeah, one hundred percent, that's Rre. What about what Grido? Uh you do you keep in contact with him right right in? Yeah? How's he doing? How's his spirits? I was talking to him in jail. I stopped talking him cause he said I was getting him in trouble, So I stopped talking. You guys in

the same job, uh, Texas, But I don't know. I guess he said he got in trouble because they knew. I don't know he said they knew that he was another jail car or something. I don't know. Ship did they still do the thing in jail because all my cousins are in prison, and they would to do three ways. They used to like yell on the phone like for a while to like just like confuse the phone lines and then patch someone in on three way. That they still do that. Now you don't got to do that anymore.

You could just call somebody else, call him on. Nah. And that must have been a long time that, you know what I'm talking about, Yeah, because they used to be you know, yeah, if you try to die and nothing that maron, it's not gonna yet. They stopped doing that. You can just call on now. That was like six years or seven years ago. You know when I was like, I remember my cousin used to just hit my phone and be like, yo, look I got my celly. He's gonna three way his baby mama, she's gonna give you

some money. You're gonna send it to me, but I gotta make this noise. And it's sometime they're blowing the phone or something here the buttons that they so being locked up. Are you a celebrity, Yeah, for sure, more than the streets you run into all the people that all the people that comment on your pictures and stuff. They be like I was at this show, I was doing this, I comment on your picture on this day. But you never know because it's jail, so you don't

think like people groupies like that? Is that a Is it a good thing to be in your position like that? Like it's good and bad because you might have, like the people that don't like you. It's easy to like, if you're gonna walk the main line, it's easy for people to get you. Then you got the people that like you, You got the police that like you, but then you got the police that don't like you. So yeah, it's kind of having was there guards that would look out for you, Yeah, it's a bunch of them. It

was like two or three that didn't like me. I don't know what it was, but well most because there's there's the cool guards because it's not a bad career, make it a decent check. And then there's the ones who are like they put out they take out all their aggression of the prisoners because they're either racist or they hate their life. Yeah, you know they bitchegan fucked exact. They're working whatever, all these shifts and over time, and they take it out on you, Yeah, because they mad.

You got the ones that just here just because it's a job. They don't even care about the job. It's just a good paying job. So they're like, all right, whatever, I listen to your music, all right, that's cool. Sometimes you got the ones that act like they listen to on music, who they know who you are, but they don't really fuck with you. It's a lot of those too.

That's so funny. Yo. The thing that you you just mentioned in it, I think it was a no jumper, but you talked about how Soldier Boy was locked up there in PC. For people who don't know that's protective customer. So usually PC is child molesters yep, like sex offenders, child molester. People don't want to write snitches, et cetera. Who wants to be out with him. That's what's confusing to me, right because you if you're in that position, you almost have to ask for that or fight for that.

Or do you think that the jail realized we got to put him over here because he Soldier Boy that Chris Brown wasn't in PC. So why was he in PC, Like Chris Brown wasn't in PC. Hey, Chris Brown, real one lottle key, That's what I'm saying. So is like and he's like a like an R and B pop dude. So how if he didn't go to PC, what is his excuse? He's big draco against the rapper whatever. Then he's spouted to be killing the nigga before, Like, bro, crazy.

It's funny because you were in jail during his whole entire, like sixty days. Yeah, I was there. His career got revamped for about two months and then like you said, it was just the mean thing. It was really just the meme moment, and then the meme was over. You know. That's how it is, man. You know, I didn't realize it's like that with this rappers like people do anything

to get attention. It's like they just do. Like I didn't think it really would like that until I started seeing, like damn, like people really just start beeps because they like about to put out a makes table album or something like, Bro, it's not that serious. If you popping, you popping whatever, take some time. Tiger came back. If Tiger came back, I tell this man, you're just one hit away because people counted that man out. That's what I'm saying. And I heard when you went to jail,

it was over for Tiger. I heard this ship Aladio. What was that that? Oh? Yeah? This okay? I like this. Then I started hearing back to backst I was like, wow, he's been having a run. Yeah, he's been having a run for sure. Yeah, shout out to Tiger. Uh. Let me ask you this. I saw that you back in the day had well you had a relationship with Mustard. He to try to sign you, you would essentially kind of obviously didn't go that way. What's your relationship with

him now? I feel like Mustards evolved a lot as far as because I feel like, you know, back in the day, he had some issues with some people in the city, and I feel like he's gotten pasted a lot of those issues and any has he tapped in with you? Do you get straight? I talked to him. I was like, horror, feelersy straight. He's just telling me about it. Just stay out the way ship like that. I'm like, yeah, I know that. Other than that, we cool.

I ain't got no problems with him. I'm cool with everybody. Man, I don't be nobody straight. Hey that's good man. Yeah, that's how you stay out, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, pretty much because I figured it out, Like I was talking to my brother and people, They're just like, we're starting to think, like people just want to be with you on purpose, so you could go back to jail again. And then I started thinking about it him like like, yeah, that might be. That might be true, all right, because

I wasn't getting out talking shit to nobody. I mean, I talk shit all the time, but I wasn't just getting out just talking. I started seeing people come for me. I started seeing people telling me. I'm like, damn, you would think people would be happy, Like I didn't tell on nobody. I beat the death penalty. I put a lot of like I'm the reason a lot of people feeding their kids. They got on when I was in jail off of my shit, bro, Like everyone knows this.

It's not a secret, it's my ship. But you know, I guess people were unappreciated. And then it's almost like imagine if like Tupac came back in the year two thousand, it would just be fucked up for like job rules like you know what I'm saying. Yeah, wait a minute, the real one is here. Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying, A nose ring and all that. Like, imagine if like out of nowhere Tupac just dropped dropped back to Earth in the year two thousand, it would have

been rough out here for a lot of people. Yeah, I don't know if you would have made it in twenty whole different world. You're right, it's a different world. Hey, put everything on the internet and everything is like I can't get on live or none of that. Every time I get on live, it's on YouTube. They snatch everything I do down. They probably had half the songs already

on YouTube before they came out. Like whatever, Hey, real quick, E do me your favorite text head telling them in the middle of an interview and ask him if he got the showloaded. If not, I'm gonna need you to grab my laptop and you know how to load the mix right on next gen, I'm gonna have to have you load the mixes real quick. So fucking the radio show starts at seven o'clock. Damn the COVID. We can't do we can't go to the station. Yeah, actually, let's

take let's take like a thirty second pause. I'll just load the mix real quick. Just hit me. Yeah, he just called me right now, all right, let me see something. We'll take a find minute pause. Mm hmm. Telling them with the radio people, we need a clean Yeah, I run that ship tomorrow night, bro, Actually I run a Monday night because tomorrow we already got recorded, so Monday. I got you on Monday. What's what's the record that y'all are gonna push? Uh? Do you not know yet?

Why you gonna matter a clean? Verdon right? Load the seventh he did? Okay, tell them the load is at too. Mmmm. Alright, cool, we're good. Wanting to make sure, he said, you're good till like seventh twelve. How him to load his eight o'clock to load Acock can't load all his mixes. We can pick back up whenever he ready. Yeah, say you have been in the Yeah, the change coming up here? Chase fa No, No, you don't know Chase infinite. Oh yeah, yah, yeah, I know Chase. He didn't come up here with him.

That's my bro. I know Benny for years. Bro. We interviewed him first twenty seventeen. Wow, I've been a fan of that hooker's eel the way I think I've been on it. Planet Asia, man, Planet Asia, that's bro. So my background remember back in the day Planet Asia and Roscoe had a group called the calim Asians. Asian like, my bro, Like, can you have him come on the show? Easy? Yo, He's a legend to me. Bro, you gotta understand. I

grew up. My best friend in the world's brother is RockA from Dilated People's So I grew up around Dilated. So you know the brother got a brother in jail? Right? Yeah? No, My my best friend's name is Ramsas. He lives in Phoenix. Okay, okay, okay, okay, but I know, buddy, I know, I don't know. It's brothers. But Rockers like family. So I came up twelve thirteen going to Dilated shows, the Drastic five shows, just tapped in with all that boom back ship bus driver, all

that l a ship. So Rockers brother, he's very Jesus which brother, I'm not sure the brother I think? He went, Yeah, that's that's how I know the story. He was like, Yo, you got a he was talking about rock the Balls, last member of short Line, the last Face. Yeah, dude, if he's down to come up here. I know he just dropped something this year, him coming love to do a freestyle we did. We just had Benny do one bron he gonna kill me. I love playing it, bro,

I just I had the far I come by. I had to tell head who bro Head didn't know who the far I was. I bet I had to put you know, heads like like up on like the O eight O nine l A wrapping up. I had to put him on that backpack ship. I was like, listen, bro, there's a whole other way of l A rap. You never even listened to. Let me put you on FAM. You had to far alright, come by the station in freestyle when he put his arm out a couple of years ago. Oh man, sorry, I miss field, the agony

all that ship so fire. My business partner there, Papasso, I know so all everybody naming me and Chase met each other in ninety so listen to Chasing Ship before when he was rapping. We all met each other. He was in college. I was down there selling weed in Atlanta in ninety three, and then he graduated and said I'm coming back to l A twenty five years ago, said I met you out there. His uncle, I mean, his cousin is Bigger Beat Bigger Bea was Bigger be fucking a. B B Records now was Benny b Bend

was Loud Records. And he had this thing that was very instrumental that nobody talks about in l A history. And they had this this this fucking night they would bring all the loud artists met the man, woe all lim it was ready. Then was the days bro and it was called Unity. Yes you and I t y. That's where all the LA rappers used to go to. I used to always hear Dilated talking about that. That was when I first moved out here. Unity. That's a legendary night. Come on man, and that that was that's

from there. The person that was around our a's that made it that we all kind of centered around was X and the Axes group. The Liquid Crew was that well, he was from the liquor. He was liquid. He made his own things strong, strong, steady. Of course, that's how I know Picasso, my business partners. He is the baby of that. He came with another like I watched him. He was and then they Yeah, y'all wouldn't say fucking more, you know it was. It wasn't very everybody n you know,

I mean you were you're there. I wasn't there. I'm from a fans perspective. And by the way, you gotta remember exits doing movies with the Rock By the way, after they left, I love that project that they were mad Live. Oh my god, man, it's then my brothers didn't really that strong Arm Sety Math album was so good. That's great, man, that's it's all this bro, this is we I feel like that generation with the first La

Street Due. Remember there's still people from the streets that but don't want to They want to rap a certain way, still seeking. Like you said, how Draco really raps? Like Draco is not a melody rapper. He's a rapper. So everything he said makes sense why I'm here if you look at it. Rito was the only person that was in art clique. It's like a plot. I just signed a new kid from a content called Wally Wally Disinsan. He's on Cample. He's like a melody rapper. He's like

a blast or a Caitlin. Yeah, Yo, that's crazy man, that you come from that world, Because dude, I was like thirteen fourteen at Fat Beats in the back fucking during the Expansion Team album release party, meeting Rod Digger for the first time, meeting cut Cammis to meeting all them like I'm a kid, Bro, I used to deal with the outsiders when she was at the Outsider Like I got a real hip hop story, I really, I

really and and from them days to hear. Like most of my friends, they like if they're not in the industry, they're like insurance people and other people grow out. Yeah, I mean, if you know Buddy Buddy was a part of Open Bar with X. That's Rocker's brother, Buddy. I probably got to see so Buddy's a lawyer now, like he's like a fucking huge immigration lawyer. You know what I'm I know, rocking them see Rocker and I was cooler with with so Is from Venice, you know, and

he was him and Alt. It was always more with the West Side, Rocker from I think, so I never really know I stayed in this, but I just never really they thought with Rocker like that, like honestly, Bro, Like I grew up a hip hop kid, and then when I went to my first Dilated shows on the platform, came out. That show changed my life because I saw bad Boo with my own eyes and it fucked my head up. He was man, That man was so crazy favors yeap when he's something crazy. I did Friday Night

Flavors in Phoenix. They gave us the co sign to do our own version of the show in Phoenix, and O wait, so I was doing my own Friday Night Flavors in Phoenix at kk FR. Yeah, I know you. You came from out there, but yeah, that's why I'm in this ship because I'm a real hip hop kid. Bro, I ain't like I'm out for you. Let me ask you this, because how do you make the transition from it?

Because it's like that East generation. I feel like this sad kid is in a little mosy now right and then it is too whatever the next big street, Like what what was the transition for me to take you from Dilated down to the other? What was so for me? What happened was I was a huge DMX no limit like as a kid, that was the ship I loved. Right then we went to my first Dilated show with my best friend Ramses, and I had already been the kid who would go back and find all the five

Mic albums that the source ever rated. So I went and bought like Brand Nubian and tried, Like all these these fucking albums came out when I was two years old, I know that, but I would just dig and just re listen learn them all, you know what I'm saying. And so then Dilated just opened my mind to that whole world and from there, like I loved J five,

Dilated and then Gang Star like Gangstar Wu Tang. I was also a huge Wu Tang fan before I fucked with that, but like all that shit just really like I would say, for about a three or four year period in my life, I was like a hip hop snob. Fuck all that commercial shit it is right under you know, every I think we all had that. I lived it

for years. Not even just say I lived it for years, but I just think that I just learned to just appreciate every artist and all the music for what it is, right like like yo, Like even in retrospect, like you could look back and be like, yo, Luda Chris was this big ass commercial rapper, but Luda was dope, super dope,

super dope, you know what I'm saying. Like that, like and and even the ship that Like, it took me a while to get to the point where I would embrace Like I remember when Walker Flock of Flame first came out. I still I was. I was twenty two, twenty one, and I was still I was hating. I was like, this ship is wow, I have a connection to that. So I have an artist from conference I raised in a hip hop game. His name is Rogi Hoodi.

Yeah all there. I mean I connected. He's on that label, right, yeah, he's on He's on He's on our baron Whatelse, and he was on I Took You. He was part of Walker's Yeah, he's on the tape Walker front Waka Belly. Yeah. Yeah. But I went in with with walking them because I know what, uncle, I just I just shared all that, like these preconceived notions of like what is like it's all hip hop, right, you know what I'm saying? Like, and and Walker is fired, I mean it wouldn't be

no chief. Keeping one hard in the Paint is like one of the illest records you could ever play in a club or a show like and so yeah, man, I just you know, for me, like I appreciate, really appreciate what's going on this year because guys like Freddy Gibbs, guys like Griselda, like Royce just got nominated for a fucking Grammy. Roy It's a beautiful thing when those names are nominated. But and then last year Pushing t got nominated. Last year, it was like it was I don't know,

but I know who he is used to be a rapper. Okay, a lot of people don't know he's being an underground rapper. And to see TJ's career from rappings to being in the centers like this of uh commercial rap and then being able to put his hand back out before you get to this to to a mad live Freddy Goods because they put that record out last year on his label.

Then he told me to see that and then where we are right now, and then even I think this is I don't think we will be able to talk about them, like Drake Goes such a bar spender and he's just it's very like on they think talking about

with hip hop and ramp. It's very different than a lot of his contemporary well you know, his his delivery is very unique, extremely and his perspective like when listen to like punk rock bench and what he's talking about, or like Marti Rock like his music is not celebratory,

it's very uh. I was telling people like if you he has links from him and him and greet are the only rappers we've ever had that uh that would be in m p R. Washington Post or Brooklyn Vegan or Stereo Gun like these are very very white, either hipster or Maine all day on mainstream because of the the way that they're rapping, it goes beyond the context of just a street rapper because they're really it's almost some he said about wut they was rapping, but it

was the way that they was delivering it. It was so colded like he speaks in the cold and it's just for him to be from South Central. Everybody in the in the land supporting it. It's crazy. And when you hear the song, like, Bro, he ain't even cut when the album comes back, I'm not I'm not lying, y'all. Bro. It's one of them moments like fifty or it's one of them moments like whose first album. It's one of them albums like uh, my Crazy Life and it's one

of those albums. And I'm gonna tell you want because what he's he's he's literally putting in verbatim what he went through, and you can't make it up. It's not a perspective that you can, you know, just like people, but it's everything is that unique thing saying what he went through. So I don't think when fifty made many men, you can't make a song up like that the way he the way he made that song. Three rappers remade

that song this year, doesn't matter what I'm saying. That's how how your pivotal it is that seventeen years later that three rappers can make it in one his original like pot did their interpretations of what they're going like, anybody can be like I'm shot, I went to jail, but you made those songs like you said twenty almost twenty years later to where new artists are like, this is a foundation of how I expressed myself when I go through things, people wishing death on me. He's about to,

he got to. I don't even want to say, bro, he got a song with him and God, whenever I tell you that, now he's gonna trip out and somebody did in jail, questioning their whole existence in life. I don't think I heard that in rap and then nobody from that. It's just gonna be good man. We saving on all of that. I wouldn't even say save, but all that has to be at the highest level. That's like when you gotta have a Drake feature, you gotta have a future feature. You gotta have a Travis Scotfield,

you gotta have like it's coming. It's like he knew when he did Wangster that he was gonna do in the club. He didn't know probably in the club was gonna be in the club, but he knew what was gonna be there. What's up, Let's wrap this up. Yeah, that's crazy. You come from that whole background, bro, because you you all we don't never that eeror don't ever die.

Also that er don't get enough respect. Bro. When we talk about like LA hip hop history, it's only the real ones that like know, like there was a whole other world out here that wasn't the normal LA ship you know, but very much, very much. Yeah, but that I could tell you that, but it's almost like outcast being from Atlanta back in the day. Now, but now I can say what he's said about Andre, that's the same thing talking about well he's so disconnected from it,

you don't even know. No, so just connected. Hurt my heart to hear that. By the way, yeah, man, let me know when we back. Want me to clap again? How good? Got that good coffee? Hey? Got to have it. I can't live without it. I wanted to talk to you about your delivery man. Uh huh. Your delivery is so unique, man, It's one of a kind. It is definitely one of a kind. I wanted like, as a rapper,

where did you do you draw inspiration from? As an mc uh, I'm not really inspired by nobody, but those people I listened to, like, okay, it's just cool, Like I like the rock oh he like yeah, he was cool rock Delivery Atlanta. He signed Future exactly. But I like the young Joe he had. He was called Young Joe. So his album he dropped, that first album with Grand Hustle was so slept on. I like people Rubber was

crazy and then I was his battle rapper. Nobody really know about him because it was always name is like Jungle Cocky or something. He was. He he kind of made me start rapping. I was like, oh, you can say like crazy stuff and still be calm. With it and don't be yelling, he'd be saying, because you have a very like your flow is very relaxing. It's like it's it's like it's very easy to digest, you know

what I'm saying. Like so many people be yelling in the studio and all this, and I'm like, I'm the type of person like even in real life, I'm not gonna be yelling going back and order you to get my point. Acass I was, I'll just rap like that, like and I want people to be like, damn, how did you just say something so crazy and just say it's so calm, like like are you were you born?

Like were you originally born out here? So you're born and raised here in my whole life, your whole life A lot of a lot of Atlanta influenced, though, I guess, I mean Rock yes, but they ain't really influenced me. I just like like, okay, they's cool, Like yeah, young Joe needs his flowers. Man drove Joe slept on bro Droe's a cold guy, dude, for real, for real with

a mich just turn it all right. Yeah, that's the one thing like I think that you're like, like you said, I think that there are there have been some people that have try to do what you do. They can't do it, but you're very It's just like a one of a kind. That's the way you do it. It's like a Christler three hundred and a Bentley, Yeah, pretty much the way I have a christ with. It's paid off. It's like Ford and Ferrari, like right right, right, right,

right right, that's fair. Do you have like when you're when you're locked up? Right? You gotta help me understand this because what like, how did you entertain yourself throughout the day as far as your free time? Was it meditating? Was it reading? Because you guys don't got the internet and ship out over there reading? Or I have people

playing music on the phone. We like differ technically the phone's contray band, right yeah yeah, but on the regular phone, right, Oh, so people will play you some sh it over the over the phone. So that's how I know about a lot of stuff. Yo, what's the worst song you heard over the phone? Oh? A song that I really just did? Like you're like, wait, that's what's it? Give me a hitna go there? Right? Yeah? Look brocause I know no,

I'm not even with all that. So I'm not even gonna go there, bro, because there's been a lot of ship that came out that you got locked up that you're like, hmm, that's interesting. Yeah I was. It's from LA. I have an idea who it is? WHOA I know the truth. I have an idea who is It's crazy that's the tall guy. I don't know. Boy, he's a nice guy. Yeah, I mean that's why I don't do all that. I didn't like it. That's fair, shout out

the blue face whatever anyway, I don't care. Whatever. Get I just grabbed that out of thin air, didn't there. Yeah he get money though, so that's all that matters. You gotta he got a nice head on his shoulders. All that matter. And now like you get out this COVID ship booming, you can't do live shows? You you've never really done the big tour thing, right I was supposed to? I can't. Yeah? Right, Yeah, it's crazy because now you gotta like almost figure out a new like

are you gonna be doing merch? Because you do that merch drop, You're gonna hit a lick that too? Is that? Right? Is all? Right? Now? Where can they go to buy the merch. What is it on? Bro? Just the Hives. It's the Hives backslash Drake. There we go, Yeah, the High backslash Drake, the Hives. Yeah, h y V easy Yes our last Drake. Oh yeah is there? You know what's dope about being independent? Like, I know you're indy right now. You get all the money, you get all

the money. But I also it's I mean everyone's got to be knocking on your door trying to sign you. Oh yeah, for sure, there's a lot of people. I mean they've been doing that when I was in jail. That was right. So what what will it take? What's important to you to even think about that? Because I don't think you need to sign with anybody. I don't. I mean, I'm the most influential person to come out of here, Like everybody wants to be me. I always said that it'd be rappers that'd be like I want

to sign them. I'm too big of a rapper to be signed to another rapper, Like I don't know, I get enough money, like to be like for them to be trimming my money or giving me front of me some money and then I got to pay it back, Like how am I going to pay it back right now. Anyway, if I signed the deal, how am I going to pay that money back? I can't do no shows you to process. Hey, come on, bro, I'm not I'm not retarded because you know everybody, I'm gonna pay it back.

Ninety out of one hundred people will go to that upfront bag. Worry about the wrestling. It's like all them people that signed all them deals not in debt. Now. I can't do no shows that in front of the front of all the money and then and then you ain't making money off your music because come so, I hope you held on that event. Yeah, and know they did, and they for sure did it. They did not That ship is crazy. I saw your aunt, he was in here.

She's an integral part of your career. How important is it to keep everything close and in the family, man, I mean it's I don't know. You got to keep them clothes because it's a lot of people like I just she was there at the whole time, all in jail, so that's why I always got her around. But I don't know, it's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot of stuff going on. You got to keep people you trust around because I have people steal money from me, all type of shiting out in jail. So people were stealing

from me while you were in jail? What and what like? In what capacity? Because like like like you know, you're locked up, you have you got I'm assuming there's some liquidity somewhere. Yeah. People, I'm letting people, you know, people who you trusted, people I'm trusted use my card pull out money. Had no things for me. They was sending out money out of your cards, ye know. Ship. So you get out of jail, you then you you're like expecting you got a certain amount of money in the bank. Yeah,

not too, but I had too. I had like a business account of on. So I was expecting to get some money from the home man. Oh yeah, go put this out for me. He damn, bro for real, twenty thousand dollars So twenty bands just missing. Luckily I'm a different person. Now, Yeah, that's a lot of money. That's a lot. Hey, but the eyes are on you right now. You know it might be twenty thousand dollars worth taking. Bro, I'm safe to say those people aren't around anymore. No,

they're not. Damn. I can only imagine bro exactly right, you know what what Let me ask you this man, it was looking kind of grim for you for a minute. Were did you ever go through any sort of phase of being depressed while you were locked up? Oh? Yeah, for sure. I mean I was fighting the death penalty. Like you don't know, Like it's always like you hear people fight stuff like that, So you'll never be like you never think you were going to be that person.

You sitting there and somebody say that, You're like, ooh, that's not me. Then when you're that person, you don't know when you just going to court just to go to court, you don't know what's going on and not offering you no deal, like get crazy. Sometimes you get the wondering like damn, am I ever gonna get out? Right? Or even if I do get out, am I still gonna be relevant when I get out? Is it even gonna matter? Who wants to get out of jail when they forty something? How I would be a rapper at

forties others? Right? Come on, brother, Luckily, Like I'm probably I'm gonna be the biggest rapper ever to come out because I'm the youngest like everybody that went through, Like I'm twenty seven, I just turned twenty seven, So like everybody, Gucci Man, all them people when they was going through their stuff, they was all older than me when they got out and start booming. I'm still in my twenties. So I give it like five more years and I'm

just try to do something else. Maybe since you've been out, you got some dope features on the project obviously. Oh yeah, for sure. I think it's dope. You and stupid young LinkedIn. That's my boy, I know, I've been here's great, Yeah, I've been. I know him from jail though. Yeah, he's a good dude. Man. Who has who has tapped in with you? Uh? Since you've been out there that that you know? There's like your story was very high profile, so a lot of people knew what was going on.

So has there been any artists that have tapped out since you got out to try to work? Oh? Yeah, Roudy and me. Uh, like a lot of people that been in me, you know, like Jay Crize. Uh. Uh, there's so many people. What's it made in Tokyo? Oh yeah yeah, Uh a lot of people like riching him but songs? How crazy was it to what witnessed Roddy's Uh, ascension to start him while you were locked in. That's

just crazy. I was like, because when you when you I think when you got when you got like he was making some noise, but it was like around that time. He's one of the biggest artists on the plane. Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah, I heard the box. I knew that song was gonna blow up. When I heard it, I was like, so, is there gonna be a rotty record coming? I don't know, man, you gotta ask him. That'd be big for the city. Man, that'd be big. Bro.

I'll just be focusing on what I got going on because worried about what other people got going that's gonna stretch you out and throw you off your game. You gotta worry about yourself. That's why I am te Grizzly feature was dope too. I think he's another one of those guys who talks that talk. He's a real stream. Did you ever work with Mazie before you got locked up? Yeah? He was on my second second mixtape. He was on there. A lot of people don't know that, but he was

on there. It's crazy because I feel like, now, like with you being independent, like there's been this trend. You're indie link up with another independent order to drop a whole project. Yeah, pretty much. I'm trying to do something rio. You got a drop of tape fire. He's funny, he's not about the only person that I think could fuck with me. Just on on a whole Just let's talk shit. This is what I do, bro, I do this all day. So did you haven't? Were you like, you know what's crazy?

Because when I hear you, I guess I'm like, I feel like you, like, did you ever listen to sugar Free when you was growing up? Not like that? But he is funny as hell. I started listening to this in prison. I was like, Wow, he was saying, Yo, it's so crazy to think that sugar Free couldn't exist. In twenty twenty day, that canceled them. They canceled his ass.

Oh I haven't he I didn't know that. No. I just mean just because he was talking about all kind of white you can't say this shit he was saying in twenty twenty. Yeah, yeah, these motherfucker Yo. You know what's crazy? And since you've been out, there's this new shit. It was always around, but bigger than ever. There's this cancel culture shit. Yeah that's weird. So no matter what you do, you could now dig up an old tweet. Yeah I heard about it. I was seeing that shit

on TV. I didn't think it was real though, Oh it's real. Yeah, I seen. They was doing it to a lot of people. Bro. They just tried to cancel soder baby for like five year old tweets like shit, it's like, oh, look like I got to delease some shit. You might want to dig in wipe that shit clean, oh man, because they ain't. Man, there's people out here whose whole life they're just waiting to be offended on the internet. Yeah, I know, I know, Yeah, I know.

It's crazy. So your situation, are you on probation? Are you totally? Yeah, I'm on probation, but I'm not. I don't got to check in or nothing, So it's not it's unsupervised, yeah, pretty much. How long is how long? Five years? Five? That's a long time, an't it? Five years? That ship is damn long time. But at least it's unsupervised. When everything opens back up, hopefully that you know, is it gonna be the type of probation where you got

to get permission to leave the state type ship. I mean, yeah, but I don't think they trippering like that because they wasn't even tripping before. They just want me to get it, catch your charge, that's what they want. I don't think they trippered off nothing like that. Yeah, hopefully they just kind of moved on like all right, you know what we tried. Yeah, pretty much. I would hope you gotta let them out now. Yeah, man, I know they're watching

me though. For sure you're watching me. You just be smart, man. You know, Casanova just got those reco charge. Man, I've seen that. I've seen g Herbal. G Herbal had to turn himself in on some fraud ship. But that recon don't getting nothing for that time. Yeah. But the Rico ship, Yeah, that's that's like the six nine ship. That's life. I carry life, yo. I gotta get your perspective. Know, it's

funny because you mentioned six nine. I gotta just get your perspective as because you were in jail throughout his whole his whole time of ship. Yea, like the highest getting locked up and then he'll get out of crazy like that ship is. It's crazy even fathom that that even happened. But what do you expect from a nigga of Rainbow here? Bro's funny. I ain't gonna give it. He was funny. I liked it that he mastered. Then no one has mastered the internet and the trolling better. Now,

mind you, he was doing some dangerous ship. He was, But you can't. You can't do that. You can only do that to a certain extent. You can do all that if you're really from the streets and you really like a street nigga. But if you're not like that, it's gonna always come back to bite you. Like me, I'm from the streets. I talked shit, that's cool, but whatever. I'm not in this same position as him. He had to pay people and all the type of shit to

hang around him. I don't pay people to hang around me. I grew up with all these people, so it's different. These people's ticket all the games, so I don't think people want to play with me like that. But I'm not nobody. When you say that, there's a lot of people who, unfortunately they do have to come to l a. Yeah, and they have to pay a tax. Yeah for sure, right, I'm not one of those people. But that's only like

out of towner people, they got to check in. I mean that's anywhere though, but we I guess I'll hear it just stricter, like I won't ask you this, right because does everyone need to check in or only people who have that street persona when they come to l A. If you're like a gangster rapper and you come to l A or Detroit, you got to check in with certain people? Yeah, pretty much. But if it's like logic, like there's like logic does probably doesn't get up on

them too, all right. Uh Now, if you somebody like Dirk or Thug or somebody, they're not going for that, right. But the other Oh yeah, I think I think too, like a lot of people don't realize, like yo, man, like you can't just let your guard down out here. You can't, no matter because you know, rest in peace to Pop Smoke like he was in the hills, bro, exactly. Good kids can't trust nobody, can't trust nobody, bro. And and a lot of people we've lost since you've been

locked up X like lots of pe like that. And uh, I think you know for for you, you know, being on probation and and and and I think it's dope that you got a second chance. Many it seems like you got your your you know, you got your head in the right place to go there to go on a big run pretty much. Yeah. I mean, I don't got nothing to do anybody but to record. It's nothing nowhere to go, so all I can do is make music. And since I'm independent, I'm going to get all that money.

So yeah, there it is. Man, Hey, how many unreleased t k how many unreleased Gridose songs? They are still in the cut? I told you how many? Man I knew. I knew it because he do the fourteen hundred songs today? So cool, yo. I feel like you got to grab like ten of them and do the the great Old Rego project. That'll be big, bro. Yeah so big? Is that something that you guys have brainstormed about doing, like

a project where you gonna do before I can jail? Yeah, so that's something that's already in the air pretty much. And you got fourteen hundred songs that Choose. So if he's got fourteen hundred and you just cranked the album outa in five days? Yeah, how many? How many songs do you got? We haven't heard a lot. I mean I wrote two hundred and nine songs in jail, so like I got a lot, Yeah, I got a lot. Every single song that is on my mixtap I wrote in jail, every single one. So you know, most people

can't write. All you had to do was come out and get the bet need to just go straight in. I just that's why I tested it out with this mixtape. And apparently people like everything that I wrote in jail, because when I wrote in jail, I'll visualize it as if I was on the streets. So you can't write if you in jail. Nobody want to hear that. All day people talk about jail. I don't want to hear and I was in jail, so right, right, right, right, Well listen, man, your project is out. Yeah, we know

the troth. There's gonna be a whole lot more coming, a lot more counting, hopefully a Gredo project. Yeah. I feel like that's only right pretty much. That's the hommies. Yeah. Yeah, shout out to him, man, he's in good spirits and free Grado free Gredo. Uh and thank you for coming through man. You you're the latest rapper we've ever had for the record. Yeah, what's up? Yeah, there we go, free to stick team, free kills, free rosey for everybody. Boom. You know the truth.