#302 - Lush

bad for calling you what I called you. I think you called me a bam bam bigelow interrexic and I jerk off rappers for a living, I understand, manually stimulate them, manually masturbate. Yeah nice. Yeah, only a few, only a few, man, Yeah, because like, honestly, I had to get you. It was lighthearted and no I saw I saw your comment and you were and I saw you get me love at the end of the interview things. Yeah yeah, like I legit was rocking with you. That's why I kind of

hurt my heart. You know what I called I only saw a couple of things, and I think I just hated the wrap part of your guys' little Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was just it just wasn't great to me and the wrap part of our trajectory over there. Yeah, so how are you doing? Obviously it's been about three weeks now since everything happened here. Well, it's it's been great. Wound up securing a caffeine deal. I saw that going going up right now. Been doing my own pod going

up right now. No, I saw you've been doing kind of like more like a mentally like a like a podcast that's more geared towards because you're obviously how long have you been sober? Over three years? Well, congrats, thank you. So the podcast that you've been doing is it more like mental health directed? So there's like it's like there's

different content that I'm doing over there. One of the podcasts with my boy Kyle is called Ruining Hour, and that is geared towards mental health because we're both sober. Then I have one called Lush World where I'm doing interviews kind of similar to what you got going on. Then I'm doing streams as well. So the stream stuff's on caffeine. Yeah, yeah, well, because rats on that. Yeah,

it seems like you landed on your feet pretty well. Man, yep, shouts to my boy e K and the ad also is a little bit instrumental in helping me leverage that situation. So right, I think, like for anybody who doesn't know, man, I grew up around everybody in my family's addicts. Everybody from my dad to my uncle to my cousins. Every single like big male member of my family was some sort of addict, crack heroin, I mean, whatever you want to call it, Right, do you remember, like because I was?

You know, the one thing about being somebody who loves somebody who's an addict is the most frustrating part is trying to get them to get clean before they're ready to get clean. It's almost like you got to kind of just let them fall on their face or hit rock bottom. What was your rock bottom? See it's weird

because my eating bottom is essential to getting silver. But for me, there was a series of different bottoms, and I would think that I hit bottom and then boom, I go down through the floorboards, and then I'm in the cellar, and then boom, I go through the cellar and next thing I know, I'm starting to smell sulfur and I'm approaching the seventh layer of hell, And yeah, what was that what was the seventh layer of Heil rock Bottom? Were you sucking dick? You never suck no

motherfucking dick. Hell no, he was like, and then I realized what I was on my knees about to blow this truck or for no no, no, no, no, no, no no, just you know, pitiful incomprehensible demoralization, just lying like being a strange for my family, my friends. You know, I've experienced anything you pretty much could besides sucking dick. You know, I've been been shot at, being stabbed, be incarcerated, overdose a group of times, had hits all my life.

So you know, yeah, I got one cousin of mine who in and out of jail's whole life has overdosed over and over. He's been stabbed, he's been shot. I mean this, dude, it's it's crazy, and it's like then my uncle Scott. Shout to my uncle Scott, who just got out of prison for the fucking ninety eighth time. He just messaged me on Facebook. I could shot Uncle Scott. Man, welcome home, Scott. Come on, He's like, I promise you this my last time, Kevin. I hope everything's all round like, bruh.

When I was a kid, this dude used to come to my house because he was tweaking so fucking hard, running around with the Hell's angels. This motherfucker would be sitting at my sink picking his fucking face thinking there was bugs in his fucking tweaking. Yeah, so I used to go into the bathroom be fucking blood everywhere. Then my other uncle and aunt, we used to go to their house to play with my cousins, and all the

fucking spoons were burnt. Yeah, it's a fucked up life, man, Yeah. Yeah, that attic life is serious and for you, like, because there's a few different ways. Obviously there's like did you go through AA or NA rather Well, yeah, I'm in a twelve step program, but I did go to treatment as well. And when I agreed to go to treatment, I had pretty much gotten to the point where I felt like I had no more moves the bus. I

had already exhausted all my resources. You know, anybody that was foolish enough to still be close to me, my fiance at the time, any of my friends, they were like not fucking with me, and it was either that or pretty much die. I had no other options, and I've been in a lot of treatment centers over the years. The first time I was sixteen, you know, I went to Juvie got arrested for the first time at thirteen.

The spot that I went to was for chronic relapsers. Basically, it's like, if you don't get sober, here, it's a wrap for you. This is the last stop on the train. And I thought that I qualified as a chronic relapser. But then I realized I've never actually relapsed because I never made an earnest attempt at sobriety in my life. So, yeah, one of my uncles, my uncle Rocky, has a drug rehab called he was a huge heroin addict. He used to shoot up right here, damn yeah, because yeah, and

he didn't want anybody to see us. He was shoot up in his fucking eyelids. But this motherfucker got clean, started a drug rehab and then when I was like sixteen, I started working for him in like a Dennin can store. But he had the same type of program called the Herd six program, and it was all people who they were like on their last they were like habitual relapsers. And man, so I was like fifteen sixteen working in a fucking Dennin can store, just with a bunch of

fucking recovering dope fiends. Then I turned eighteen and I got a job running his consignment car lot. Literally every employee was a fucking freshly recovered drug add So I was babysitting dope fiends at eighteen years old. That man crazy life. Shout out to everybody's who's staying clean? So for you, was it like, because I always hear like there's because you know, nowadays, especially being in Cali, there's like weed, there's there's psychedelics, there's California sober correct, right,

so for you, you're sober sober. Yeah, I can't fuck with none of that ship. So if you smoke weed, you feel like it can kind of be a gateway for I don't want to tempt fate, you know, Like I'm still high. I've donet smoke so much weed in my past right to the point where like I have no like, I have no desire to even try it again. You know, who knows in the future. I just know for right now, for today, I'm not fucking with it. Yeah, I just there was somebody I just saw on Joe Rogans.

They're they're cleaning sober, but they were like considering trying. I think ayahuasca. Yeah see, like you know I've already had them psychedelic, You've already experiences. There's no real if I would do that for me, that would be your relapse. Because I just want to get high. I just want

to get outside my body. But that's nothing that I can attain with, you know, prayer, meditation, I can do all that and reach that same level of consciousness as to where I don't need were a lot of your friend's family, I know I saw some of the fans or maybe a little worried that with the situation that just happened to a no jumper, that you your sobriety might have been in question, or you might have maybe gotten mentally hit by it, or did it did it bother you in that way? Were you able to kind

of get through it. I was able to get through it, by the grace of God. However, I will say the closest I've gotten to relapsing, the only time I was like considering it, really considering it, was after Adam kicked me out that day and I was driving around the valley. You feel me like driving around the valley not stopping because I knew that if I stopped, I was going to go to a liquor store and get on and get I get something, get me a little bottle and get it. That day, that day, what was it that

made you? What did you call? Do you have a sponsor? I do have a sponsor, and I call my sponsor and like that was between him that's dope and people that are close to me, they want up talking you off the ledge. And I realized, Nam, yeah, not how I want to move. But yeah, no, it was really it got dark. Yeah, dude, I mean I can only imagine because I do see, like even just being on the show the day, because I got hit up the day then all that happened. We were at lunch and

because you'll film the next day, right the next morning. Yeah, and we're at lunch and Adam just hit me. He's like, hey, this is what happened. You're down to be a guest on the show tomorrow. Just I just need a fill in. I was like, yeah, whatever, I've been on the show before. I was like, cool, I got you, bro, Like Adam's

always been super stand up with me, you know. And but then I really like didn't really really realize like oh eighties about because eighty called me and eighty talked and he was like, dude, I'm about to quit, right And I was like Jesus Christ, like what am I walking into? And then everyone assumed I'm like the permanent new guy on the show, right, So well, you had to do that. It is kind of like a New York version of ad You had like a lush one

Adjason's character. Correct, It's like, oh look, yeah, you're white. Yeah, okay. It was like, oh, there's a white guy with a fitted baseball game, right right, yeah, So I think I just and then I didn't know about the Reddit thing, and then I went on Reddit and I was like, oh this is wild. Yeah, it gets deep. Do you

regret diving into that part of it? Not even for the result of what ended up happening, but just I do feel like I could see how going and looking in that toxic ass thing and seeing everyone's opinion and just kind of seeing all the negative bullshit that gets said in there could probably like subconsciously fuck with you. Well here's the thing, yes, is the short answer. However, right before I wound up because you know, first me and Disaster had the our own podcast, Jump On No Jump.

I remember that, yeah, and it was cool, and we were just focusing on battle rapping just lyricists, which is like the lay that I'm in. Another reason why you and I are kind of similar. We're both hardcore hip hop fanatics, you feel me like. And then they wound up bringing me on the main podcast I'm a No Jumper show, and then people really took to me, and I wound up becoming a staple over there or just

one of them. I feel like at one point in time, I felt like anytime I'd like to see a thumbnail you were on it was like yeah, absolutely, within the past six months, I was on that channel more than anybody else. So what happened was right before I wound up being brought on to the other podcasts, I would had hit a low in my life and was very depressed, going through a lot of changes, and it was just like down. You know, my my Chicken Eyes split up,

my mom was terminally diagnosed with terminal illness. You know, my company was going through a lot of changes, my battle rap league, so I just felt like really unstable and you know, I was like, damn near suicidal. I was suicidal. This is prior to you in disaster, this is this is after after disaster and I and before I got right regular. So I was super depressed. I wound up going on the show. When I'm on there, I'm like, they're probably not gonna fuck with me, like

the craft, the audience, don't you know. I'm I'm older, I'm not really in the same vein. There's a lot of the people on. They're probably not going to fuck with me. But then all of the comments were like overwhelmingly positive, and people start bombarding my Instagram and like telling me to go to the reddit and all that, And at that point, I was so depressed. The only thing that was really keeping me going was going and seeing the positivity you were getting right right at that time. Yeah,

they're Reddit. The YouTube comments is your social media. So that really if it wasn't for that, I don't know if I would have made it through that dark period. So I'm I'm grateful to the Reddit for that. However, I had to, I should have separated myself at a certain point, but it because you know my addicts mentality. It's literally like chasing. I can see how that is addictive.

This validation is you know, sure for for for an addict, and even just then even because you're a part of it and you just want to probably just be like, what are these motherfuckers saying about? Right ABC or D. Look, everybody over there check the reddit, whether they want to admit it or not. They like some more than others. But everybody is is peeping the reddit to some extent, not like I was. I was actively posting on there.

And then at a certain point when the when these people in the reddit saw that I was going in there, like oh well, we could get a reaction out of him. So then like and then when the when the pendulum inevitably swings to the other side from that love to them not fucking with me and dissecting me. And you know what I mean that right there, I was trying to win them over and it became like this vicious cycle. Yeah.

I can only imagine, man, because like you know, I got a family, I got kids, and shit, I'm like, bro, I would never want to be uh. I mean, I feel like the type of ship I do. I purposely don't touch certain shit because I don't want to like overexpose myself, I guess, and my kids and my girl and shit. So I even told Adam when all this shit has been going on the last few weeks, I was like, Bro, you got some fucking thick skin, brother,

because this shit is crazy. They would have been on your last if you had gone over there permanently yet, but even just like just seeing, like you know, because I know Adam like could addressed whatever allegations over and over. So I'm like, Yo, this shit got brought back up, and I'm like, bro, here's the thing, and I want

your opinion on this. I genuinely believe that if Adam had not gone on that pod right when I was on there and fired me in the very unceremonious manner in which he did, a lot of that shit wouldn't have happened. I agree, And I think I might have said something to that effect on the podcast. I think you might have. Yeah, I did. I did. I did say something like that. I was like, because I do think that that moment was so vibe role and it also highlighted whatever said issues that And I even told

they do this when he was on here. I was like, you were planning on leaving because there's no way, thick skinned ass Ad I know, got so mad about someone saying he has four jokes that he quit like you was playing this shit, n But but here's the thing. Ad for Shoe was there and I've been telling him he should leave. I told him and t Rail like you guys should be the fucking La drink champs and they and they got their own thing going going really

well for them. Here's the thing. It kind of forced AD's hand, it did with it being puzzled it was, and it was also a nice opportunity if you were planning on leaving already and those wheels already in motion, it was a nice opportunity to kind of take advantage of the of the you know, the virality of the moment. And I think it was mutual. I think that Adam and No Jumper was wanting to pivot away from that,

considering they already a certain point. It's a conflict of interest when there's other podcasts with I don't want to say regurgitating but utilizing the same content that you are and getting more abused for it. I'd assume he probably regrets firing at the time, and like not to say that he shouldn't have fired me, but he could have

easily taken me outside. No, I think, and I think he explained it to me, like, if you catch some girl cheating on you and she's at work and you're in the next room, if you cut your girl cheating on you, you're gonna be so fucking pissed you're fucking going in then you're fucking up her job, like, and I was like, yeah, I get it if like you guys had that relationship, and he truly felt like what

the fuck? Like it was shortsighted, and that is why people should not ever make certain decisions when they're emotional, because you always regret those decisions. But I do think that had he handled it a little bit, and I'm sure he would admit the same thing. But here's the thing, Like, to an extent, and that's what I was kind of going back and forth in my head, was well, he just so mad, and I don't know that was an element,

but I honestly think that's capped to an extent. It might be because it was a moment and the reason why I think that he thought that he was gonna dunk on me, You feel me and everybody was just gonna be like, oh, damn, Adam just fucking marked Lush out. Damn Lush is such a snake, fuck him. And they were gonna be like, yeah, Adam, you're the man. You look so cool. Because if if this is something he regretted, then why did he post it? Not only on the

note collab post. That's the one thing. I the collab post is crazy. I think I said that at lunch because I think he said, my boy our showed me and I was like, oh, he collap posts, so not only the no Jumper fans are going to see it, but his fans, And now he has gotten millions of views. Ninety five percent of the comments are on his helmet, Like this is a dude that has stated several times and this isn't a disc Adham at all, because you know,

ultimately all this aside, I do respect him. You know, he said everything is content, everything is fair again, you know, so I believe he's like fuck it, like, oh, firing Lush, that's one thing. Let's fire Lush on on the air. And then it wound up, you know, kind of having an adverse effect that he hadn't anticipated for you as short lived, because what you would would you say you were in a regular on No Jumper from September? Okay, so about seven or six months? Yeah, six seven months?

Yeah for you, even though it ended the way it ended, even though there might be bad blood now, it did change your life absolutely, and it kind of puts you in a position to kind of explore a new career path or a new path of like because you've always kind of been a personality and ye, but now you can go and do caffeine. And I'm sure like not without No Jumper, those things probably don't present themselves correct, and who knows the trajectory of life, something else could

have popped up, you know what I mean. Like, but absolutely so, I'm very I'm grateful for what happened. Like as far as me, you know, No Jumpers a platform that I loved for years. I'm grateful for my boy Disaster for presenting that opportunity to me and making that happen. And if it wasn't for that, yeah, I wouldn't be

doing what I'm doing now. I wouldn't. You know. My fan base tripled since I went over there, So it's dope, you know, but like kind of like you said, though, like certain things that were brought about in that conversation in the moment where he was firing me were things that weren't even discussed, which wound up biting him in the ass further because there was no conversation about salaries. Although yeah, was I just kind of stirred up all

these right? Was I six figures up? Yes? But like that was never something I discussed with those people in the discord. And then like Trell and these other people are like, yo, well hold up, why is buddy over here getting paid this and I'm getting paid that? And I'm supposed to be the star over here? Like it just created a has sold a lot of seeds of discontent. Were you making more than everybody over there? I was one of the I was one of the higher paid people.

Or was it like what you and Ad? Probably? Yeah, probably something like that. I don't know what everyone gets paid. You were also there, though, I mean to be fair, While t Rail and Ad were probably the quote unquote stars of No Jumper, you probably were there more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. I went four or five days a week. Yeah.

But the thing is this what happened was due to the like when a d was when ad started Community and Trail started back on fig. There was no precedent, said Adam had no idea that those that was going to take off the way there, There was no precedent before them to be like I could put these guys in a contract, right, and even like, look, I approached Adam towards the end of last year kind of having an awareness about that and was like, Yo, I want

to start doing my own streaming and podcasting, Like I want to offer you guys a percentage of the revenue of whatever I do. You know what I mean? Because if it wasn't it wasn't for y'all, I wouldn't be in this position. And then there Adam was like take in the back and he was like, whoa, I've never even considered that, but like we'll talk about it to

get back to you. Instead, what they wound up doing is presenting me with the contract, which is exclusive exclusivity where they didn't want me to do anything else besides no Jeffers. Yeah, which apparently is now like the precedent they're setting with everybody there, you know where they just fired a bunch of people. Yeah, I mean, now it's all fucking different. You know, I was gonna say, because I even I was there a few weeks ago, and I feel like I just saw that video I think

you posted it, and it was a crazy video. I was like, damn, all those people are gone. Yeah, Like there's other people that weren't even in the video that are gone too. Souse it like just Josh now, I mean they have people that they've brought over in the past couple of months. I like, actually, like Love Flacco's still over there, Almighty Suspects still over there, a court and uh and an icon and those are the only

on air personalities left. It's bootleg cav here. Got to stop then to tell you about our good friends at King Pom. Now, listen, guys, all I do is smoke out of King Pom. If you see me smoking, it's out of King Pom, all right, and I'm gonna shout them out because it's all natural, no tobacco. It's a tobacco free product. Also, no additives, no need to split it open, no need to lick it comes ready to go.

All you have to do is put your your treat, your flower of choice right into here, and you're good to go. Now, The best thing about King Pom. They have these turpine and infused wraps right here. They're flavored. This is my favorite. I do love watermelon, all right, burst of watermelon flavor again, no tobacco, no additives, all natural. All you gotta do is pack it and you are ready to go. Now, this is what's dope about King Pom. If you go to the website right now, you know

they're the new sponsor. I've been using them forever, so I had to hit them up, like, hey, guys, I'm tired of smoking your guys as shit. I'd love some support on the podcast of course. All right, So go to kingpom dot com right now, use the promo code bootleg keV and you're gonna say fifty percent off. You can get whatever you need. You can order it online because these are tobacco free, no nicotine, baby all right, So you can get a right to your house half

off Kingpom dot com keyword BOOTLEGKEV. You can also hit your local seven eleven. You can also hit your local smoke shop, one of the best selling brands in America. At the smoke Shop, so many different products, rollable wraps, hemp cones, all the smoking accessories one would ever need, the smoothest smoke, the easiest to use. What are you fucking doing If you're smoking and you're smoking at anything

but this, you're fucking crazy? All right? Go check them out online socials one more time, kingpom dot com promo code bootleg save half off taking you on that natural path with King pombaby. Hey also shout out to the homies at blue Chew Man, don't forget if you're dealing with erect out disfunction. If your penis is not functioning correctly, it's a little flaccid. You're trying to get it a little hard, a lot of hard. Rather Bluechoo is where it's at. A lot of people ask me you always

talking about Bluetoo. Does it work? Yes, it works, all right? Listen. It has the same active ingredient as viagra and scalis, but it's in a chewable form, all right. It is sent right to your door in a discrete package. It's a great thing. Man, Go to bluetoo dot com right now. You use that promo code bootleg right now, You're gonna get a month's supply for free of blue Choo. Why

not have some better sex. Okay, seriously, there's so many other ways you can get down to because they just drop the blue Choo mint flavor, which is the same active ingredient as the vitra. Just so many things we can do here. And look, when you go to bluetoo dot com and you sign up with that promo code Bootleg, they're gonna literally send it straight to your crib for free five dollars in shipping. You get a month's supply for free. Now, how does it work? One, you don't

need to go to any doctor's appointments. It's all handled online with an online pharmacist. You don't have to worry about going and sitting in waiting room to go discuss your deck with some strange dude or chick. Hmm, maybe you're into that. I don't know. With that being said, it's an awkward situation, all right. If you're dealing with erectile this function, all you need to do is go to blue Cheo dot com right now, use the promo code Bootleg, and you will get one month supply for free,

zero dollars right to your door. Your wife will ever never know it even happened. You know what I'm saying, maybe you've been a little embarrassed. You're tired of piping down that same old broad that you've been sleeping with for the last thirty five years. Put a little pep in your step, man, take a blue Choo, use that promo code Bootleg at blue choo dot com and try it for free. Also got a shout out to my bookie. Man. Final four is on the way. NBA Playoffs are here,

well almost here. We got like a few games left right, so much going on. You got the Masters coming up. Man. So many ways to win money join us at my Bookie. I've been using my bookie for about a decade now. It's where I put all my bets in. There's so many ways to win money with my Bookie. If you go to my Bookie right now, you sign up up my Bookie dot ag promo code Bootleg and you will get double deposit bonus action. That means your very first

deposit up to one thousand dollars. Make that deposit with that promo code Bootleg. When you sign up for that new account, and they're gonna give you another thousand dollars. They're gonna double your first deposit. So you might put two hundred in, you might put five hundred in. They will give you another two hundred and another five hundred to gamble with. All right, so much to do with

my bookie. Obviously, we love betting on sports. Literally, one of my biggest passions in life is gambling away my money and winning money on my bookie dot Ag. Now, I got a few futures going on right now. I got Joel mb to win the MVP. I got the Phoenix Suns to win the West, I got the Bucks to win the East NC double a action. I'm taking Yukon all the way. What are y'all doing? Go to my bookie right now. They got the props. You can do the player props, you can do the over unders,

you can do whatever you need. Plus live Blackjack, live Roulette. I have so much fun on my Bookie. You really don't never real need to leave your house. Shout out to my bookie, my bookie dot ag. Sign up right now with the promo code Bootleg and get that first deposit bonus. What are we talking about? Who else is gonna double your first deposit? Ladies and gentlemen, My Bookie dot ag promo code Bootleg sign up and let's win

some money. Now, let's get back to the interview. So for you, what is something that because you kind of were in the middle of the peak of the dysfunction in terms of just like if we were to think about like the on camera drama at No Jumper, you were pretty much there for all the all the hits, all the greatest hits, a lot of them. So for you, like, is there anything that you regret from that era or oh? Absolutely?

Like what absolutely? But now, to be fair, a lot of that shit started before I was even in the mix, right, and then you have nothing to do with the house phone thing, yeah, yeah, And then there were prior to me being even like a prominent character over there, there was Trel and there's the Trel and Almighty Suspects. There's like a lot of different things. But what I really regret because I feel like, going into January, we were on a very harmonious level. Everybody was getting along, We're

all fucking with each other. We had that you know that that video I posted earlier was from the Christmas party. Everybody's like we're one big, happy family, right, And then in the beginning of January, I wound up. You know, Adam told you about it, how he like encouraged me to get at Flocko and shit, I regret I should have never done that because that completely violates my moral compass as just a man in recovery. Like now, I get making fun of people is one thing, joking around,

we all can hoo ride each other. But I think that I took it way too far and a lot and was did something that I knew was wrong, even though I was asked to do it by my boss, who I was trying to, you know, who I wanted to be happy with me. But at the same time, it wound up setting in motion. Not only was it wrong to Flacco, who I'm cool with now, but it's set in the motion a chain of events which kind of led to where we're at right now. Crazy. A lot of people are saying that you might be suing.

I mean, if I was, I wouldn't talk about that anyways, right, That's fair, I was gonna say, because like, I think, like there's a few ways to look at the whole situation. It's like, if you sue, it's like, I mean, I don't know if that bridge is ever going to be unburned, but it kind of really burns the bridge absolutely. I mean I feel like there's no bridge. There's no the bridge. Yeah, over the bridges, also the bridges Paris one. Yeah. Yeah,

just South Bronx right here. You feel me for people who don't know, like kind of give me your like roots in terms of hip hop and like getting involved in the battle scene. You know, I've been involved in hip hop culture my whole life started. Started apping when I was fifteen in the mid nineties. Used to go to Project Bload and things like that, and just like you know, element is that on Tuesday night, Thursday, Thursday,

Thursday Night. I missed the good life era. Yeah, I was too much of a kid, but I always heard about it. Yeah yeah yeah, And I was like, you know, just soaking up the game and soaking up culture. Moved born and raised in Los Angeles, moved to the Bay Area to Oakland, California, when I was nineteen, and that's really when my you know, in a career as a battle rapper started. I started off as a battle rapper, got a lot of buzz locally, and then it started

to grow bigger. I was in a popular local group called Delmont crew at the time, we were pretty much in Oakland. In Oakland, anytime there would be this this is like from two thousand and three to you know, that's like yeah, straight Hyphie era. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we were there. I was there for the whole entire hype movement and kind of like what we were as a crew. Shout to my brothers Plex Rock and Ajax.

We were like kind of no no, no, no no no no, Like we were like like, if you saw the way we dressed and shit, you would think we were just regular Hyphie rappers, but we were super lyrical and like we would do like boom bap tracks and then we would do like Hyphie turn up shit like too. Like we had music with mister Fab and all that, and we had music with Hiro and you know, Sean Price for the first group from Oakland to do a song with RP Sean Peah. Yeah. So yeah, and that was

like a whole thing, and then it wound up. The battle rap things started popping off, and at a certain point in two thousand and eight, I linked up with this company called grind Time, which was like the first prominent battle rap fixture on YouTube, and it got to

the point where and they started in Florida. Me being from the West Coast, it was like, look, I know I got some talent as an MC, but I'm way better as like a curator of culture and organizer and a host and like just like kind of you know, I mean, so I wound up and it wasn't even like that I was. I won't say that I was the most organized of any of my friends, but I was at least disorganized. So you were trying to so essentially you got brought on to grind time to help

bring events together. Yeah, and I wounds. Yeah. And this is right when World Star Hip Hop was popping off. We were on the front page of World Star. Every drop that we had wound up blowing up, you know

I remember that. Yeah, people like disaster, dumbfounded, no can do like all, you know, a lot of the the great lyricists of the West Coast and then Daylight like and then I also brought a lot of the top East Coast rappers and Midwest and South rappers to Cali to battle for the first time Arsenal conceded t Rex Calico. Like a lot of these dudes got their averb had their first first time hopping on a plane was through

me booking them out west. The last, I think the last big battle I ever went to was in Phoenix, and it was when Daylight took a ship on steel in the desert yep, yeah yeah, were you there? No or disastrous here for people don't Yeah yeah, no, no no, But that was a seminal moment, was it? I mean, just for the fuck are you? I just think of like the viral moments that I remember recently. It was like that. It was like Cannabis pulling out a fucking yeah, yeah,

he was there for that. Are they even him battling Cassidy? I remember that, which and those are both battles that I curated as well. So so in your in terms of like your role in the battle Rap world, you're kind of like I wouldn't like maybe an executive or look to us like slash host, Like I'm like a West Coast Smack you know what I mean, Like, yeah, West Coast smack, shout out the smack. I've made a lot of money selling those DVDs. Well they're smack white.

I'm white smack. You feel me? Like, as long as we're not doing smack fellas. Yeah. Yeah, as long as I stopped doing smack. What was your was that your? No? No, No, I was across the board doing everything real garbage canhead. Honestly, keV, I believe the reason why I'm still alive and able to talk to you right now is because I would kind of like substitute addictions for one another. I would go on like have like little run. Yeah this week,

I'm on crack next week, I'm right. I would have like a five month coke binge when I'm just doing coke every day. Then when it was getting too gnarly, like, I would substitute it with ecstasy and then do ecstasy for a couple of months every day. And they never bow cocaine up a chicks, asshole? Oh yeah, snorted and coke up a bit? Yeah, bro, Just what's that with fucking Uncle Jerome and Franklin saying God damn snowfall? Oh yeah yeah, first episode the FBI agents like blowing coke

up of chicks ash and she dies. Yeah, No, I've never, I've never. Yeah, this cocaine sex supposed to cocaine sex is amazing. But don't you have to also have a viagram? You have to have your dick hard. Yeah, I've never done anything. So for me being on coke, being on blow, I much prefer to just get my dick sucked, just like because it might oscillate from being hard and soft. But and then you can, and then you can. You know, you feel me. If you want to get your dick card,

go to Royalty HONEYUSA dot com. I see you just got that rescun code lush uno all capitalized l us ah un. And while you're at it, I have to take this moment to say we are a very proud partner with Blue Choe. Oh come on, let's go Boechoo dot com and get that cock card. Use the promo code Bootleg. I will trade you some honey packs for some Blue Choo. Done deal, buddy, done deal, done deal. Shout out to the honey packs. Some of them taste really good. Some of them are god awful. Yeah yeah,

these ones. You know, is it an Asian company? It feels like an Asian company. I'm not saying it is, it just feels like it. This one is a Latino owned company. Yeah yeah, but I'm not sure the origins of all the components. Yeah, I was, because I've only done whed in troops. The honey all my family scared me from drugs. The honey packs work and I and you know, I talked to my sponsor before I indulge. It is not considered a relapse. So you can do

a honey pack. I can do a honey pack. I love it so back in the day I was twenty years What's the best drug for sex? Ecstasy? Hands down? Again, you have to be mindful of the erection issue, you know what I mean, It's possible it is do a viagran. I've never tied viagra before, really, but yeah, like rather or a bluetoo rather or a honeypack. But however, what I like a lot of people like really like percocets

for sex. And it's I've heard that because it because it makes numbs, indulged your senses to the point where you could just you're gonna last a long time. You're gonna be per perk dick. I've done the perk dick, done honey dick. But yeah, for me, ecstasy and the biggest pause, the biggest rum thing that I miss from drugs of anything, is like the drug and sex combination. And because it elevates your sex a little. It did, and I had to learn, like I'm so used to

being fucked up since i was twelve years old. Thirteen years old, twelve actually is when I first started getting eye to the point where I had to relearn how to do everything so normally. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, like you

gotta kind of almost retrain your body. Yeah, your brain boom there it is state dependent dependent learning hashtag that to the point where I literally, you know, like having a conversation, you know, doing something like throwing a ball, you know what I mean, Like you just have to relearn how to do anything music, Yeah, having sex, Like I was super nervous the first time I had sex

in sobriety because I was like, what okay? Because I always, for whatever reason, crack seems to be the drug most straight men will suck dick for is if you were to tell me which drug feels the best when you first try it, because I always feel like it's got to be cracker. Heroin, Yeah, I mean, because you obviously people hit heroin and they're just like the thing, Well, here's the thing. Crack is like same ship. It's like

doing opiates, like in order to get to Heroin. Like, if you if a regular person or even someone if you just sipped lean a few times or this or that right and you went to Heroin, you'd be sick, You'd be throwing up. It wouldn't feel good. So if you go straight to the black tar, you can't. You can't. You got to work your way up to that crack when you first you know, the first time you smoke crack,

you yeah it's lit. Yeah, But I would say like, and honestly, psychedelics like to me, felt the best first time I shroomed out. Yeah, like, I love that. I love psychedelics for sure. Yeah, I've never tried crack. I don't plan on it. Don't do it. I won't. I won't, don't do it, don't do it. I gotta stay away. Man. My whole family is on that ship, so you know, you can live vicariously through my past. But yeah, Crystal math was another one that felt really good when I

first tried it. And my baby mama was a mathad shout out to her. That's a big thing. And is she from Aaron owner too, that's a big thing. In as the first couple of rehabs I went to were in a Wickenberg. Yes, I did go to the meadows. Yeah, a couple of times I was in Wickenberg, and uh, I was in another spot called the Prescott House Prescott, yeah, yeah, and Prescott, Arizona. You say it the right way, the

right way, the right yeah, yeah. Yeah. They made it clear, like, don't say Prescott, it's precos you Prescott's Yeah, a bunch of old up there. No, that's a fucked up town, bro, Like, yeah, shout out the press. Prescott and Prescott Valley, Prescott TV

is Gnar Levi. But yeah, So for you, what are the lessons that you kind of learned from the last year or so that you're going to try to apply to your own content, And what are the good things that you've learned too, because you, I mean, obviously Adams have built the powerhouse. Yeah, absolutely, Like I've learned a lot about I've learned the whole craft of podcasting. And I'm sure you can test to this is not as

easy as it looks like. You have to like being able to conversate with you, like I can tell like you know what you're doing, you know how to podcast. There's a whole skill set that goes into it. You have to kind of know how to steer a conversation when it's getting redundant, what's gonna be interesting, How not to repeat yourself, how not to say like like like a hundred times, there's a whole And so I learned the entire craft of podcasting and I'm fairly decent at

it at this point. I'm grateful for that. So you're gonna be how many days a week are you gonna be doing content? I'm gonna be doing content three days a week. Nice. So, but I'm gonna be focused on focusing on it a lot more. But really my primary focus all that aside my brother Disaster and I. We have our Battle Rap League gt X, which is the continuation of grind Time, and that's been That's what I

was doing before the whole podcasting thing took off. And you know, like this is my passion and my roots are in the battle rap culture, and I'm it's an honor to be back. We got our first event of the year called the Lot in a few North Holly in North Hollywood. Yeah, who's battling. We got Disaster Verus Next, we got Denny Myers versus dev the Demon. We got Active versus real name Brandon and a litany of other fire ass battles, botead ass. What is the business model

of the battle leak thing? Are you guys making money off of pay per views? You guys, I mean obviously you're making hard ticket money, I'm sure, but like I know, a lot of these guys, they demand a purse. Yes, right, yeah, you gotta fire. I'd always was a little confused about how, like how the business model of a battle works. Well, you kind of got to think of it in a similar vein to boxing or MMA. So you guys have a pay per view site. We have a pay per

view site. We're work in conjunction with a company called rap Grid that does paper. But all you got to do is go to our website GTX Battles dot com and you can there's links to the paper. People gonna can watch it from wherever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the as far as the business model goes things such as pay per view and you know, ticket sales and all that, that's kind of just feeding the event and making sure that we're able to sustain ourselves. What we

do is covers the cost. Right. We partner with any brand that wants business. We sell eyeballs, you know, so you can got millions of people and a concentrated demographic. Any of you companies want some eyeballs, we got them. Yeah. I just saw what was the battle that just happened that s and Cassidy Brat. Yeah that was the you were there. I was there. Yeah, I go yeah, daylight versus King Boo. And who do you think is the goat?

My brother sitting on the sitting on the couch over there, goat is sitting on the damn couch scrolling Reddit, there's a you know, if it's disasters, who else who's it? Like? Who's in that like four or five? Yeah? R I p to past day? He definitely Yeah, yeah past day one thousand percent. He just passed away last year I did, he did. Yeah, a bad situation. Yeah, Shasa shoutsa Pats Day and the whole KOTD family. I'll say this, the West coast, the West coast, Mount Rushmore, there is there's

a disaster. There's Geeche Gotti, rum Nitty Denny Myers Daylight. So there's a five man you know, that's the crew. I'll put the saurus in immaculate. Yeah, passwords like, there's very strong top eight on the West coast now, b dot probably I would throw up there too. There's there's now As far as the overall landscape of the culture, you got Disaster, you got loaded Lux, you got murder, Mook, Hollow the Dawn, you got Conceded, you got Arsenal, and

you got you know, those same names. The Saurus ended up making the best music because that's the one thing about battle rappers we always say. Because I always enjoyed Sue's music, I want to say surf makes my favorite music in battle rapper. But you got it. Like, the thing is this, every single rapper has battled at some point. Eminem was a battle rapper, you know what I mean a lot of so everybody. Yeah, yeah, everyone's battled at some point, whether it's in the cafeteria, whether it was

on camera or not. The question right right, But from like the battle rap scene, I would say that, Yeah, Suser definitely has the strongest catalog, dude, because I remember seeing Supernatural when I was a little kid. I think he opened up like wan to dilate his tours just blew my fucking mind. Three words. But I'd never seen that before. Right where he was like taking people's IDs and ship he was spinning around and coming back as

exhibit or bust the rhymes or whatever. Right, and and his music wasn't great, Well that's the thing, Like yeah, like he and it hurt my heart because I was like, this is the greatest rapper I've ever seen about life is not a mutually exclusive skill set, true, you know. And even like a lot of the guys that are just great barsmiths, you know, dudes that well you'll have on your podcast that will kill it, Are you really slapping all their music? Probably not, you know, or I

grew up, you know what's crazy. I got to the point where when I was a kid, I was like a hip hop snob for a little bit where if it wasn't like super over lyrical, I would like look down on it, like it's like commercial bullshit, right right, we all went through that phase. But now I'm like, I just want to enjoy the music, man, right. And then there's there's people that are able to blend all that kind of together and do it all together, like Kendrick or like Kendrick J. Cole push your team again,

like yeah, and even like at the end of the day. Really, lyricism, like songwriting and lyricism are two different things. People think that just because you can put bars together, it means you know how to craft a record. There's a whole bunch of different nuances, you know, yeah, for sure. And then there's a guy's like Black thought who or just Black Thoughts, Apex Predator MCS that can just do everything. He's a Jedi, Yeah, yeah who just you know, run

the entire game into the game. But can you do anything? To revert back to a previous question you asked, what would I do differently? I definitely would not let the opinions of other people's dictate my emotions. It's something that I've known because I've been on the internet for years, you know what I mean. Like I've been had an active presence. I mean, the battle Rap scene kind of blew up because of message boards and yeah, you know what I mean, And I was from on the ground

floor of that. Since two thousand and five, in some capacity, I've been in the public eye. However, I think that this point in my life that I was in towards the end of last year in the beginning of this year was a very transitional time in my life, and I was very vulnerable and probably shouldn't have been introduced to an audience this big. I probably wasn't mentally prepared. So make sure that my mental that my mental health isn't a good place, and not allow the opinions of

others to dictate my emotions, you know, or criticism or praise. Hey, we gotta stop the interview real quick to tell you about our family at odd Socks. Baby, that's right, shout out to odd Socks, little godfather sock right there, craziest licenses in the game, the most comfortable socks period And if you go to odd socksofficial dot com right now use the promo code Bootleg, you're gonna get twenty percent off at checkout now. They also got the underwear going on.

These are some street fighter draws. Pop these boys open, check them out. Oh yeah, oh yell, little chun Lee versus Blanco? What amazing? Do you like you Who so much that you'd wear you Who on your feet? There's people running around out here with goddamn hot cheeto jumpsuits right now, so of course you would shot out to you who. They got crazy licenses. We already mentioned street Fighter, Coca Cola, Pepsi, Yes, they got they got the both there.

They got Pepsi and Coca Cola. They also got scarface breaking bad WWE. So many dope licenses. Plus their odd Socks basics line, which are these just kind of the normal socks? In my opinion, are the most comfortable socks I've ever put on my feet. I promise you gotta go to odd socksofficial dot com right now and use the promo code Bootleg save twenty percent off your entire order, all right, So go do that. Odd socksofficial dot Com. Also want to give a shout out to our family

at hard Dean. That's right, Hardan, the craziest dispensary you've ever walked into in your life. Harden Las Vegas. You gotta pull up. Follow them on Instagram, Harden Underscore Las Vegas. You see the hat, you see the logo. Shout out to the family at Hardean. If you're in Vegas, you gotta stop off. You gotta go pick you up some weed. It is legal in Vegas. Tell them I sent you.

They will take care of you, all right. Make sure you follow them Hardening Underscore Las Vegas, the largest selection of previous cannabis I've ever seen in my life, the best smelling place I've ever walked into in my life. They have a signature scent that's fucking insane. So shout out to Harden Go follow them Hardy Underscore Las Vegas. Check out more info about them at Hardean Las Vegas dot com. Let's get back to the interview. Should you ever find out who this ghost reddit guy is? Ghost

Reddit guys? The guy was the Reddit guy you were supposed to be talking to it? Oh, guilty guilty, not ghosts ghost guilty. I do not know guilty is to this day Jesus now yet. And that was in a Discord server. Oh see, all the ship is bro fuddy. Yeah yeah, I always thought Discord. I was on Discord once, and it was because I'm a part of the I

talked about this. I was on there's like this flip group where they like tell you what to buy and what you could flip it for, right right right, And it was I had to download Discord and and then I guess it's for gaming and ship. I guess all different kinds of ship. Yeah, yeah, Discord is good. It's a build a community, very valuable tool, like I'm is there a bootleg keV reddit community? Or I don't want that ship? I feel you don't make one. We're good, Yeah,

we're good, buddy. I learned. I learned a lot, though, and I'm grateful for it. And you know, have you talked to Adam since? I? Have I spoken to Adams since the morning after that all went down, because I was kind of like I wasn't even really one hundred percent sure if I were, even though I was like it was still yeah, but it was like you just went off what you saw on that stream and could be like open ended. It was. It was done out, it was done out of passion, like let me see

if there's any reasoning with this guy. In the morning, sometimes people feel a little bit different. You know, I sent him a text. He was just kind of like, hey, you know, that's it. But he what he did say was I'm not gonna be bad mouthing you or slandering you, and I was like, okay, cool, neither will. I then proceeded to call me a snake multiple times on several different podcasts and talked down on me. So it's kind of like, you know, I don't have any hate in

my heart towards him. But I'm a little confused by that. What about Josh. Josh and I have texted on about business a couple of times, but check. That's kind of like but that's essentially like the end of you know, and I'm cool Josh. I have no problem with ultimately, and so at the end of the days, you know, we we all straight. I still talk to a d I still talk to tral house phone everybody. They'll be appearing on my pod occasionally. I might make some appearances

over there. Have you. I know you've just talked to Smack this morning. I know you've been doing your I saw who's the white guy you're on camera with on you It's like it's a YouTube channel. It's that YouTube channel, oh ruin your Day. Yeah, okay, so like have you already started your your actual I have my own individual channel that's lush World. Yeah no, so lush World is actually be cause here's the thing. That channel, that ruin your Day channel is something that I've been active in

actively a part of building since like twenty fifteen. So you already were a part of that, yeah, yeah, you know and helped build a lot of the subs up. And then when I, you know, had a discussion with him, is this is going to be my home on YouTube for curating content since there's already an audience built in. Business wise, him and I have an understanding and so I consider that channel as much mine as anybody else's. Okay, So then that's where the Lush world stuff's going. Yeah,

Lush Rold's over there. There's a GTX channel for battles, there's I have my own channel for music. So yeah, are you still gonna make music? I'm I'm always gonna make music. That's a that's just a part of who I am, you know what I mean. Like I got my distribution deal with my label with John Arbano and Marissa Orbano called snow Cone Records, which is we under Sony Orchard, so like you know, but it's not paying

the bills. But occasionally I'll get a placement and it'll pop up, like I just got a placement in the show. Like you would do it for free? I would always I would do it for free. Probably recently got a placement in a film called Sick, which is on the Peacock Network, So you know, get a little bag here and there, and when you got your teeth done? Yeah, did you do it here? Did you go to different car?

I did hear? Oh you did? Yeah? Yeah yeah. And these are actually temporaries that are gonna be people who don't know because are you are you doing the implants? Yeah? These these are so right? Now is a bridge. I have a bridge on top and a bridge on the bottom. It's not like dentures. I can't take you. You're gonna gets right, yeah. Yeah, And so you're not even getting veneers. No, no, no, no, they didn't. I have no real boys. Yeah yeah, I have no teeth left on the top or the bottom

in between my caneines. They cemented a bridge and so temporary that's there. And I'll just tell you're gonna be out for a while. I'll tell you this though, Bootleg Keev, the pussy quotient is through the roof. Good for you knocking them down there. I'm glad to hear it. I'm knocking them down. Where are you finding them? Redit they finding me? They finding me? It's crazy, like I don't know. I was gonna say, Jesus Christ, we gotta get this valcrow.

You gotta get it cemented like my damn teeth. For sure. I was gonna say, I always what are are no jumper groupies or battle wrap groupies? Are they? Like? What kind of because I would say the ugliest groupies in the world are Juggalos. Yeah. Yeah, like ICP's groupies. God bless them. Just talk about fuck it speaking of meth Jesus Christ. Yeah, I'm not trying to have an orgy at the gathering. Yeah, no disrespect to the my Juggalos you feel, Yeah, shout out, I love y'all. Have you

been to the gathering? I have not. I would love to go to the gathering. I heard there's a drug tent. Yeah, I know there's a drug bridge, I believe it. And then there's like a TP where there's just a bitch in there, the gang, the orgy, the orgy tent. What's that like? Welfare bumblebee tuna, child molestation, Yeah, like a kind of a bit of all that. Yeah, twenty seven year old chicken there who got fucked by her uncle and her brother at once, and now she's getting tattooed

on her neck. Right. But I would say there's there's fucking second grade teachers in this world. Right now with hatchet man statooed on their body. You know, that's actually considered a very right And there's like in certain states like Utah, for I'm gonna say it's Utah. Yeah, yeah, they're very well versed. So I love the Juggalos as well. There I don't love them, but you know, I'm fascinated. But there's a differences fascinated by serial killers. There's seventeen percenters,

but they're in Utah. In Utah, there was some Juggalo wound up killing Sereno and now there's a fucking green light in the Utah penitentiary system for anybody with the hatchetman tat. So I've been told. So the South Sider has got beef with the Juggals in Utah. Yes, And I don't know if that's still a thing, but this was, Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, and you can they're Juggalo Mormons or South Side Mormons. I don't know. But and just to make it clear, this is not something that I'm bringing

to the Internet. This is something that's already known. If you you know, tap into from places you t have you have you ever done a battle in you I've been to Salt like, yeah, it's cool. It's fun out there, is it? It is? But as far as groupies, I'll tell you this, No Jumper groupies are levels beyond the battle rap groupies. Yeah, yeah, they are. Gotta be honest. Can you imagine the kind of chick that just is like every battle she's there, just there. There's like some

cute ones. I'm not gonna lie like we you know, like there's some cute battle rap chicks, but it's definitely like the the bitches that are the bitches that are in in the No Jumper a lot of them were aspiring only fans models, you know what I mean? Like, did you ever get any porn chick pussy over there? Oh yeah yeah yeah, just just being over there? Yeah, absolutely, yeah, anybody would talk about nothing. I can. You know what I don't want to do you ever take on the

Asian chick with the ass? Look here's it. No, I did not. But here's the thing. If I wind up Kazumi, yeah yeah you never Zuomi. No, But like if I did, I wouldn't say because here's the thing that makes me look super lame. I'm not gonna not gonna speak on my dick. And then what other bitches that might be interested in throwing me some pushy they yoused. This ude got a big mouth. Accumulative body count too. The body

count is one thing. But like he's he's gonna put me on blast, I will never put you on blast, baby girl. So you're single, I'm singing a little currently good for you? Man? Yeah? Yeah, Well listen, man, I was heartbroken last year. You feel me I got? Was that your fiance? That was which one? Because you said your fiance was that? It broke your heart? Well, I kind of it was my fault. Yeah yeah, please pause. So so you were supposed to get married, Yes, didn't

work out. Didn't work out? Who knows what the future holds. Yeah, yeah, that's what's up. Man. Well look, I'm glad you're sober. Appreciate you stay sober. No, it's a tough journey. Man. Do you go to meetings every week? I do? I do several times a week. She get the coins and all that. Yep, got my three year coin about a month and a half. Was my sobriety birthday is February third. Wow. Well congrats man, stay sober, buddy, got to and keep uh,

just one thing I'll tell you man is. I know it's very easy, and we already talked about this a bit earlier. Don't pay attention to the comments, and don't pay attention to what anybody else is doing, because I'm sure it's easy to look over and be like, oh shit, this is happening over here. This is just worry about building your own shit brick by brick. Don't compare Dix of the Gang Bang. For sure, you feel me. But with that being said, with that being said, keV, it's

cool to actually chop it up with you. Get to know you. You You feel me, sir. You might have more in common than I initially even both old white dudes who like Ratten music. Yeah you feel me? So how old are you? I'm forty one, Okay, I'm thirty six. So do you know where? Yeah? Yeah, well you know, yeah, we definitely are both just old dusty hip hop. You feel me spinning dusty pieces of wax, you know the vibes. Come appreciate you, brother man, Yeah you as well, Sir Boo,