#297 - Cassidy

to like and it did it without you? If you ain't buy it, I wouldn't it so allowed on records, yo, Listen, when it comes to like punchlines, I always say it's you and Lloyd Banks as the ghats man. That's hard yeah. Man. So it's good to see you brother. I'm just happy I'm in the conversation. You know, everybody have a different group of people they put me in the conversation with. But I'm just happy I'm in it all the time.

What was that talking about the best punches and then you had that had that record where you was the intro where you was battling yourself. Yeah, I got another one too. I just did arp rb E Real Breed and the team and he hosted it. Okay, came to the stud through some money on the ground for me to battle myself and I did a new one so it'll be out. So on what was that the Hustler verse the what was the name of the record? I did two of them. It was the intro on one

of your albums for you. It was like it was the Hustler versus the on the Bars album and I'm a hustle album. Yeah, man, crazy man. One time I did the Problem versus the Hustler, and that's the one. I'm thinking it was the Hustler versus Bars. Well, listen, mans, have you here? You've been doing a lot of battling too lately. Yeah. Yeah, I'm back man, I'm back in the in the ring in my bag. It got me feeling young again. You know. That's how it started the music, battling,

being competitive. So it's helping me get back to my roots. I was gonna say for you, is it like you've had such a long journey through music? Do you do you feel like because I feel like when when people see some of these lineups, right, And I was just talking to a ness about this. Like I'm like, like the battle rap world is such a like niche hip hop space that like people can be like real hardcore hip hop heads and really not be super tapped in what's going on in the battle world. You know what

I'm saying. Of course it's his own it's his own universe, man, right, you know, And you're like a name where if you're on the fly er, like anybody's like, oh, that's Cassidy. You know what I'm saying, Like you're bringing eyes to that world that maybe not would have checked it out otherwise, you know what I'm saying. So you find it easy for you to thrive in that space in terms of like because you're bringing like you kind of bringing a lot of eyes to it. So I'm sure you could

charge more than most people. Yeah, like that lane, that form of bad le rap I started it, Like, nobody never really seen that form of bad or rap before they've seen me in a freeway battle legendary. You might have heard about it, especially if you wasn't really in the industry and super connected, you might have heard about it, but you never actually got a chance to see it,

especially on camera. So that was the first time people got a chance to see like somebody face to face being competitive, snap into no beat and like to no real flow, like just talking to each other. That was the first time people really got to see it. So that's that paved the way to all of these leagues starting. So I felt like I started all of this right and I inspired like ninety nine point nine percent of the people that do it to do it, if not

one hundred percent. So that's the reason why I feel like I deserve the money. I run things, and when I come back, I shake it up, and that's why that part of the culture respond like they do when I'm back because they know the work I put in. Yeah, Yo, the night that you battled Freeway, give me the background of that night, because was it they weren't hot ninety seven that night or something? Yeah, earlier that night. Yeah, I started it, and then Swiss was like, I got

it because obviously free from Philly. You're from Philly. So that happened at a recording studio. Yeah, So did you pull up knowing y'all were going to battle? And did he know you guys were going to battle? Nah? I was already in the studio and I went to McDonald's when I heard them on the radio rapping and talking about they want to battle and anybody could get it. So they wasn't talking about me, but I felt like

they was. So when I got back to the studio, I told Swiss about it and he like, all right, don't madic jay Z coming to the studio tonight anyway. So I'm just sitting around and when jay Z got there, he introduced them to me, introduced me is like him like the next one, and jay Z took offense today like what you ain't hit my artist? I got the artist niggas in That's how I started gaining competitive hoh, start talking. He called them up. We called our people's up.

Next thing, you know, the studio was crowded and we battled. Oh man, that was a legendary moment. Man, I'd heard that you guys were supposed to run it back. It just didn't it getting worked out. Yeah, it was supposed to be with the U r L with Smack. We were supposed to do another one, but I don't know business wise and ain't paying out. Didn't line up. Yeah that's fair. Yeah, that was a I feel like that because correct me if I'm wrong, but that came out.

Did that video come out like right away or was it like later on that we actually saw the video. Nah, it took some time at first. At first it was it was on audio, like a DJ got a copy of the tape and put it on audio, so a lot of people only they just had it on Napster. Would you like download battles off Napster? And I think it was even before that time because it was on VHS tape. So the DJ put it on you know, CD on mixtape, and that's how people started to hear

it around, you know, around the world. They was hearing the audio but didn't see the visual, and it was floating around in the industry. Certain key people got a chance to see the visual, but the Internet wasn't out. It was like it was like some word of mouth shit like yo, I saw this tape. Dah that shit don't exist, Like no, I saw it, Yeah, exactly. And it was no YouTube, no Internet for people to really get access to it. So it was just like big on the streets and building up for a long period

of time. And then when YouTube and the Internet dropped and everything, then they re uploaded it and people started getting to see it all around the world. Yeah, no, legendary, man. So you take me back to obviously the full surface era was crazy. Uh you had three great bodies of work, hit records, all of that. What was it like running around in Arizona with DMX and Swiss Beats in the early two thousands brouh, Yeah it was. It was dope, man.

It was fun. Man. For people who don't know. Swiss Beats had kind of like planted his feet pretty heavy out in as he was a part owner of like a car dealership, a nightclub that's at the same time MX is out there, and it was a lot of energy out there. And I'm from Azy, so I got to ask because I know you were out there a lot. Yeah, it was a lot of energy. I liked it. I mean I was from Philly, man, so you know you

have a you've been to Philly. You see. I just told Nests I've literally just rode a train through Philly from DC to New York and and I was telling him how we stopped in Chester at like one of the stops, and I looked outside and I was like, what the fuck where are we at? Bro? Yeah, Well, if you ever go to Philly. I mean it's some nice parts, but the majority of the parts is like a big difference from Arizona. So when I got over there and I've seen how people living, how nice it is,

and I mean how dope it was. And plus I'm out there working on my music, so I got a different type of reception. So I was loving it, man Swiss at the club I was performing there, it was live. Was turned. What was like being around DMX during that era of X, because that was like he was like in the desert with them ATVs. Heavy Man. Yeah, I actually went back to Arizona too, like for my third album when I after I fought the case and I

came home, I started working on a new project. I went to Arizona to do that before the accident, and that was like the last time I was like really around X. Went to his crib, brought Doctor Benjamin to his house. Now doctor Benjamin was in the Belly movie with him preaching to him and all of that. So then I'll bring him to X house and we vibing out, chilling and it was dope. Man. X was in a positive zone. I was liking how he was, I mean

carrying it at that time. And one of the memorable moments is when he showed me this giant scorpion we was riding past. He was on the foe wheeler, he was in the car. He was leading us back out to the road to leave, and then he turned around. He said, yo, y'all want to see a scorpion and we like yeah, and he took a rock and he threw it down and then like made the scorpion tail come off and he picked it up like this, and then poison was dripping in me like look, look, and

that's I heard. His crip was like like in care free, like deep, like yeah, and that's how I remember them, Like he was just like he ain't give a fuck about and he was just wild but good dude. So that's the last memory I meant remember with X and Arizona, Yes, busting a scorpion stinger off and yeah yeah, with Doctor Ben him and Belly and the whole vibe it was.

It was it was super dope. Yeah. Man, it's crazy because you've you've been a part of some historical movements in hip hop man, so it's hope to kind of see you get this this battle run in you that's like you're like one of the IT battlers now and you're kind of like helping carry the scene now. So you know, I feel like it's just it's just good

to see man. For you, How are you adjusting because you've been through so many eras of this music ship, Like how do you adjust with the new way with the world in which TikTok is a big part of what breaks and you know there's not a you have more of a direct line of communication with your fans now, you know what I'm saying, Like like you feel like you're adjusting to the new era this shit like pretty well, yeah, I mean I don't got to adjust. I'm living through it.

I mean so, and I'm not stuck in my ways, Like I'm not stuck in the old waves or the old form of down business. Like I move where however things are going. And I got a team. I got sons, you know what I mean, sons. A son that's nineteen, a son that's fourteen, Like they like super into technology and the new waves of what's going on. Yeah, so they put me on. I got a team myself that I do music with that's all different ages, Like you know what I mean in all different places in their

life that be putting me on. So that's how I'm able to stay on top of things. And I make sure I just stay on top of being dope and being a rapper. You got a team of people that to figure out how I stay on top of ten technology for you. Give me your top five punchline rappers. Ever, let's exclude you because you're in that. I got you a top two. I told you. But but who who's who's in the five? Who got the best punch lines

of hip hop history? Man? Outside of yourself laughing? That's Big L of this, Big Daddy Kane and g rap Yo Big Daddy Kane. He said that ship on a Big L album where he was like exhibit styles. I kick with it, pard of me, but I'm fucking sick with it. Big Daddy k Man for sure. Daddy Kane is a legend. Man. That's like my I named dudes that like kind of came before me. That was my inspiration.

Like and I like to punchline to the next level like you never heard the artists doing it, like back to back, like line after line after line, like before you could die get one or two in a verse but not. You know, I guess everything's kind of in Like before you could dissect one punch line, you are already getting into another one and making them connect, like they never really seen rappers doing that. But my inspiration is what inspired me to want to create that style.

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I guess the current era? If anybody I listen to all type of shit, man, I listen to everything money bag yo, Like one of my favorite artists are like a bunch of his past fire like you know what I mean. I like his voices, style and the shit to be talking about. But I like even records like you know what I mean, I'd be with my wife and with the women that's down with my team, and then it could be something like shahbu Yai road called

come On. I like that. Like I like all type of stuff, man, I'm in all different type of bags. I like all of the new artists for different reasons, and just because they might not be lyrical or just because they might not be this or that, they might do other things that I think is dope. And I like, you know, things going to three sixties. So I could see a lot of artists that came before them in a new version of the old artists that they are.

So I'm excited at and I'm glad this shit growing is the number one form of music in the world. Now everybody know what it is. They know it's not a fad. It's going to be here forever. And a lot of new artists find in different ways to be successful. And the same thing that we call rap or hip hop, you know what I mean, You don't got to be one direction and you don't gut to just have bars

or B street or be killer. It's like you could be or even have information like you got even rappers that's not too smart, that's uninformed of figuring out a way to get a fan base. So it's dope, yo. I always say that it's for me. It's easy. I separate the art from the artists at all times. And one of the best R. Kelly features ever is obviously Hotel, which is on your first album. But that was your

first single, right, yes, sir? What was that process? Because I always heard that R. Kelly's like process as an artist was like he was like a savant, like Rainman type shit. You know what I'm saying, Like, what was it like? Did you guys do that in studio together? Yeah? So you got that was like you were in a session with Kels as he's cutting that. What was that studio session? Like? It was my first time meeting him, and I think it was my first time to Chicago too,

So you guys went to Chicago. Yeah, and you know, Swizzerland was telling me, you know, different stuff or how it might be. But when we went in there, I'm a super fan of R Kelly me too, like my older brother that raised me, Like you know, we used to ride around in the hood banging that like banging R Kelly song loud, like I was a super fan.

So to know that I'm working on my first album, finally got budgets opened and it's like big yeah, and I'm working on my first single with R Kelly and Swiss Beats produced it, and I'm It's like so I was excited. I was super happy on I got in the studio and even Twister came through. I remember Twister came through the studio and me and Twister like start rapping. I think Twist to spit some bars. I spit some bars and we basically me and Swiss just was there.

Swiss started explaining the record, like how was the Swiss's idea to do the hotel concept or was it R Kelly's idea? Yeah, it was Swiss idea. It was like a collaboration. It was we we already had the idea that we wanted to do this hotel record when we went to go see R Kelly. So it was already like an idea we had. We already had the beat, and we already like had the direction a little bit, but once you told R. Kelly like the idea, he just went crazy in his own direction and started singing

a bunch of stuff. He went in the booth and went crazy and started doing a lot of things that we could have used for a hook. So he was just cut melodies off the top of his head type ship. Yeah, we just chose that little piece that you know as the Hotel chorus now. But he did a lot of a lot of different parts and a lot of different other versions of hooks, Like we did the remix too, off the same session, So it's just parts of the parts that I told you he did that he didn't

use just for the remix. But there's so many ladies like he just went in different bags. He he creative man, the nigga talented. I forgot to tell you too before he went in a booth. On the Hotel beat, it was like a beat tape playing of like thirty beats, just playing back to back. And he wouldn't say skip none of them. He wouldn't be like I don't like him or nothing like that. It's like no, no, no no, I don't think they were just someone else's be just

to BCD's playing. Yeah, it wasn't Swiss. I don't know who, right, but it was just a tape playing and every beat that come on. As soon as the beat drop, he was singing a dope record to it. Shit sounded like a smash hit everyone. It's like right off the top hill, he'll hear it. While the intro on. As soon as the beat drop, he starts singing some fire shit like and he did that ship to every beat like he kept doing it. So I'm like, yo, this nigga is

not regularly like yeah, he different. I think back to one of my favorite records that was more like an album cut. You had a record called six Minutes that was it was you Wayne and Joel's right or was it that right? I wish I got to go back on the last question. Sorry, I wish I got a chance to like bust it up with anymore, like really key, Yeah, what type of duty is? Because we never really got a chance to what was the video shoot? Like, no, it was the first time I met him, and then

the second time I met him was the video shoot. Yeah, and I never got a chance to meet him after that. Yeah, really didn't like bullshit or kick like like kind of he did. It feel like he was kind of helped, like helping swizz out, you know what I'm saying, Like more like that. Yeah, I mean it was my first project. I ain't have no records out, so I really had nothing for him to really right, you know, be connected

to me. It's just I was connected to something big, which was full Surface Swiss and then Jay Records Clive Davis, I had to you know what I mean. You one of the first. It was like you Andlicia Keys. Who else was on Jay wasn't Baby bas J Records, Mario was on J Records. Yeah, I feel like you were one of the first people. Don't like I feel like it was. I feel like it was you or Alicia Keys where I first saw J Records pop up. Yeah I was. I was. I was one of them, you know,

first artist especially rap us. Yeah. Man, Yeah, but you had it. I feel like I was super excited because I had heard your mixtape shit or I heard you on some mixed because I used to sell mixtapes at the Swap Me That's how I got my name. And I was like fifteen sixteen, so like I remember just like there was I think it was some funk Flex shit you did. There was like a random funk Flex mixtape and he wasn't doing a lot of mixtapes, but

but you were. You had a Verse on a mixtape that Flex was on or something, and I just you have, man. I remember just hearing like two or three and me and my best friend ramses like, Yo, this guy. Now that's what we could wait for that first album. Man, it was crazy too. Yeah, I was super prepared. I was like battling in Philly for years on his radio show called The Cipher. So by the time I got signed,

you were already ready. And then it took years for me to actually go from getting signed because I got signed the Rough Riders first when I was seventeen, and I ain't really come out with like my first project till I was twenty one, So it was like four years. It's almost like wrap, like like colge camp college. Yeah,

and then you graduated exactly. Was there ever any other big battles that you were a part of that never got filmed or that you know back from that era where you're like, man, if that would have been on YouTube, it would have went crazy. Yeah, thousands of them, thousands who else did you go up against it? You think you know? I mean, obviously in hindsight, it would have been nice if you recorded them, But yeah, I don't them battles that I did was like over twenty years ago, right,

so I don't be liking to bring them up. It was a long time time. Yeah, I forgot about a lot of dudes that they don't hold no weight, and then the ones that did that, I might remember some of them is still like active trying to do stuff, or might have moved on and don't win to bring that up. So I don't really want to. I read

to somebody else do it BYO sa yo. I was there and I seen cash killers person or but it is tapes around and there's a bunch of people that was there, so I read there just go like that I was. I brought up that six minutes record you

had with Wayne. You that record came out right around the time when I feel like Wayne was like making that transition from being the dude we knew from like the Hot Boys and like lights out Wayne to being like Carter one, Carter two Wayne, where he really kind of was like finally getting rid because for a long time I feel like people didn't give a lot of the cash money guys, respect us rappers. And then I

think Carter one changed that whole trajectory for Wayne. What was that record like, because that's a record where everyone's just kind of going in. What year was that was that? Oh six oh six minutes when that came? Because that was on your second album? Yeah, so five yeah, oh five oh six, So yeah, that's like legit, like right after Carter one. So what was that like? Was did you guys get in for that? Was that like a very competitive session? Yeah? Me came through. I was in

New York and Wayne came through. I was in the studio with Fab a lot back then, so you know what I mean. Fab came through the studio. Also an amazing punchline rapper, some of the greatest lines ever. For sure. We really locked in. We wasn't really like sending records or nothing like that, Like they came through the studio.

We really locked in and made it happen. And I was I was the one that put that record together, Like it wasn't like a label thing or something like that, like because you were tapped in with what was going on with Wayne. Yeah, and I knew Wayne was rapping at the time, and I knew that Fab was rapping at the time. So if all of us came in went crazy like that, no hook, and don't gotta even be about no hook trying to make a hit record.

I know we could do that, that's easy, but just talking about spitting and I knew that to make make a mark. So that's why I want to put that record together. Is that a competitive session? Like who's like? Like I can only imagine, because you know, nowadays people send records out. You hear a verse, you put your verse on it, you send it back. I can't imagine all three of y'all in there. Just yeah. I think ever since I came out, I just changed the trajectory

of how shit was going. Like, I made it more competitive. It made you had to be more lyrical, made you have to have more punchlines and lyrics and piece up more syllables just to sound like you were spitting, right, because before you ain't have nothing else to compare it to. But when you could listen to me doing it like this, if you're supposed to be lyrical, you gotta be doing

it to a certain level. So around that time, I came out, you started to see a lot of people change more punchlines, piecing up more syllables, changing they flow, not trying to be exactly like me, but knowing that you had to go in that direction to be successful. Yeah,

for sure, I mean you town. You guys also kicked I feel like there was that way after I'm a Hustler where everybody wanted that same type of hookah and then bring them out came out because I'm a Hustler was first, but you kicked off like a whole second wave of like everyone hitting Swiss. For like the jay Z sample like hook Yeah, I'm all. I feel like it inspired a lot like even the fifty record I Get Money, I Get Money. Like it's like the same drums,

the same bounce, the same beat, the same concept. There was a lot of records like that. It might not have been a Hove sample, but there were Like I feel like that record kicked off like a little mini era for sure. For sure. Hey, we gotta stop the interview real quick to tell you about our family at odd Socks. Baby, that's right, shout out to odd Socks, little godfather sock right there. Craziest licenses in the game.

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info about them at Hardean Las Vegas dot com. Let's get back to the interview. What is your writing process like man, Because you are such a prolific writer, you come up with these concepts, You come up with these bars that are so fucking crazy. So for you, is this off the top? Are you cutting melodies for us? Are you in your phone writing? Like? What is your writing process like when you're cutting records. I've been writing in for so long and I make so many records

all above, Like I could do it all. I got Wow Ammo on my phone, my computer, in my book bag, I got like five wrap books. Sometimes I never wrote that, just kept it in my head and went and laid it. Yeah, people do witnessed me do it all different type of ways. And because I'm so active and try to stay on top of it, I'll be figuring that that's the best way to do it, not just one way. Like sometimes when I get the time, I like to write. That's

the best way. I feel like seeing actually what you think about and writing it down is the best process to me. But I wish a lot of these kids would write more and not punching, because I feel like when you write, I feel like there's something about that process where you like the punching enthit is cool, but I feel like it's on the fly, so you're really not putting too much thought into each each line. Like if it comes out cool, it comes out cool, But

I feel like what motherfucker's right? Like who was on our show recently? They said they stopped punching and they started writing somebody Like once I started writing, like my shit just got better, got sharper because every line, really I got to write it down, Like you know what I mean, Like this whole generation they just be punching in. Man, you've been through so many of a couple of words. Say it. You know, They'll be like, what's something cool I could say here? And then they go to the

next line. You know, I mean, I was gonna say this whole well you specifically, man, your career, your life. You've been through so many peaks and valleys that we've got to witness as fans. What has inspired you to just keep going? Man? Because you know, I feel like you've been through a lot and a lot of the shit you've been through that we've got to see you go through might break somebody or might you know, throw a real fork in their career. And it feels like

you're in your bag right now. It feels like you're really on top of your ship. I think the reason why I started doing this started wanting the rat when I was super young, before I have responsibilities or was looking at it like a business. I just wanted to be the best, right, So that's why I fell in love with it for bars, for lyrics and wanting to be the best. And I still got that passion to this day. So a lot of people be in it

for business reasons. So when they find out how shisty this industry is, how fucked up the business is, then it's like, how can you keep motivation? If you was in it for business and you find out how fucked up the business is, what's gonna keep you? Gonna keep you? Yeah,

what's gonna keep you in it? If you got in it for the like look like the other rappers aware the jury and you find out that a lot of them fucked up, a lot of the jury fake or even the ones that's real, the jewelers getting over on niggas, and you start finding out all the behind the scenes details. Everything don't make you had to drive like when you were a kid and uninformed. But the reason why I wanted to do it is still violid, Like I want

to be the best. I like to impress people with what I think about, Like how I'm able to just come up with thoughts, write it down or say it and impress people. That's what I wanted to be the best at. So that's what motivate me to keep going. And no matter what I do, like no matter how much money I get, no matter what position I'm in or how my life go, I'm gonna still have the

passion to do that. Like with this my career, and I do it for a business or it's just like a hobby something I do for fun, I'm still always do it because it's rooted in passion. That's like, that's like Kevin Durant always says, Man, I just want to hoop like I'd be. I would be hooping if I wasn't getting paid. Like it's my love. You know what I'm saying for sure? Music wise, what do you got on the way? Are you? Are you? Because I know you're you're you got the battleshit going crazy? You just

had it? Did you just battle or you were at the battle this weekend? Did you have a battle this weekend? No, I just was hosting. I'm hosting a lot of these events. I'm hosting the RBE event, a smack event. Just hosted this event create for you that they put together. So I'm just the podcast. I'm doing media and hosting to get more attention on Battle Rap, to make it better

for the Battle rappers and for myself when I do. Finally, I'm back in battle, but I ain't set up the actual battle the name yet to tell you, but I'm in negotiations with a lot of people, so hopefully I have like at least two battles this year, hopefully fire. But what about are you like on the music tip? Are you working on anything? Oh? Yeah, my new project. I feel like it's the best project of my life. Like this's new music. I got this new wave I'm on.

It's like I'm happy with it and I can't wait to drop it. I'm just independent and doing everything from the muscle and because I feel so good about this project, I just wanted to be perfect, so I got some little finish and touches I got to put on it before I release it. But it's coming. They sat and it's crazy. I got the single already done. We're gonna shoot the record off my new project today with Fred

money out here. Shout out to Fred money Man. Yeah, it's but I'm about to shoot another single real soon and then when we go back to Atlanta. But I think me living out Atlanta and being in that new environment is what got me like still spitting bars and lyrical, but the bounces and the flows and the bag I'm in, it's just like different than you expect the hair from me, especially a dude that's been in it as long as me. So I can't wait. What's your relationship with Swiss? Like

these days? Still the same man that's my brother? Were not connected to hang out like we used to, you know what I'm saying. But still communicate, still text, still work, You still give me advice and we still like family. Got a lot more connections other than me and Swiss, like me and his pop, me and his uncles, Me and a bunch of people that's connected with Swiss, Like you know what I mean. It's so many years that I've been tied up that I can't really separate myself.

No my tripping. Was there a point in time you were rolling with Carmelo Anthony? Yeah, after I was, I was with Swiss Beats and J Records, right, I got when Jay Records fell apart? Was the last ailme was bars on J Right? Yeah, yeah, but when like Jay Records broke down and Sony took over and started doing all that stuff, I was out my major deal, you know what I'm saying, Because it was no more J Records, right, So that's when I felt the time to be free.

I could go in the independent direction, you know what I mean. But so if I was going to go in the independent direction, I wanted to still do it big, but I needed investors. So I felt like basketball niggas was getting wild money, some of them be wasting it and throwing it away. It's not like I'm trying to blow a lot of money. I just need a certain amount, like if I was with a label to make this project make sense. So I started thinking, like, Yo, I

know basketball players. I know. People told Melo to play, rolled it out in paperwork, presented it to him and his legal team, and that's how we did the deal. But I wasn't signed to Melo like people thought, like in a traditional way. It was more like him like a record label, like he was my CEO and I was signed. He was an investor exactly. Yess what it was. Oh that's dope. Shout out to Mellow. It was so many rappers who had Mari Stademarer had a label? When

who else Mello KD had a label? KT's working on an album with thirty eight Special and Ransom right now. It's crazy when you see guys like like, I think all these sports dudes does get into the bagshab labels? Man? Why not know, make these artists, you know, be able to get loans or invest like, you know, get the opportunity to get the loans. They need to be successful

from different places other than what's available now. When you see guys like thirty eight Special, Ransom who have also had fifteen years plus in the game and they've been able to kind of have a renaissance of their career where they're connecting and building these like hardcore fan bases, Like there's that ship when you see shiit like like do you pay attention to those guys and like kind of because they're I feel like those guys in their

business model something that even like the Griselda business model is something that like, you know a lot of artists can kind of take note and take advantage of because you have some hardcore fans and you got fans who would put the money up if you If I just was with them in the house last night. Thirty is special, So yeah, yeah, I got a chance the meeting, we was in the house together. He had a show and then our air last night. Y'all gotta get a record in, man,

for sure, that'd be crazy. Who's on the new project that's almost done? That project's not finished yet, right yeah? And almost the features not then? Ok, like the main major features I'm gonna get at the end. You know, that's when you got to shake and move that make it make sense. So I don't want to shout them all out, but I got records with Eating that's already to Lisally the Block, Captain from Philly, Low Flip Dragon, Jagged from South Central out here, Jack's hard Money. Wait,

you've been working with Jack for a long time? Yeah for sure. I feel like I heard of Jack, like I No, I did hear Jack through you? Yeah for sure. Yeah. I think I told him that too. I was like, Bro, you're the same Jack who used to throw with Cassidy. He's like, yeah, man, yeah go gang Man Mayhem music lost in the family. He been down forever. So I got a record with him and Jag on the project. This kid named Poison Ivy singing the chorus. It's like

a single big record fire fire all right. Well, look, hopefully get a couple of battles in before the end of the year. Would you ever consider launching your own battle league? Nah? Like it was a I came out here to host the battle I told you about. Daylight was battling this MMA fighter named King Boo. But they put together a pretty nice card and a bunch of

the Battle Rappers ain't even show up. So the main battus that people really wanted to see on the pay per view couldn't even go down because the battle rapper ain't show up. But they already got advances. They already the book flights. You don't want to deal with all the hotels. It's like, man, and I can't take it like how some of these league owners do and my blog about it or be like going back and forth. It's like, Man, if I spend my money and I

make something happen, niggas gotta definitely be there. It's going to be like issues. I'm just not cut for doing that. I'd rather play with other people money. Like I'm out here, I'm giving back to the culture. I'm the energy, like The biggest thing that happened with this event so far was the face offs I did. But I want to give my energy back but not feel no type of way. When I hear about artists not coming out because it's not my event. I didn't invest, it's like it's fucked

up for the culture. But I don't feel as bad because I'm not losing right right right, You're like, hey, yo, I got my I'm good. Yeah, I'm still getting paid. And even when these other leagues book me, it's a big event for the Undercar Battle list that's coming under me. They get a opportunity, but it's not my money. So however it go is how it go. I just know

what I'm gonna do, you know what I'm saying. So I would have to get a different type of bag myself, or different type of investors or something like that to be able to pull something like that off. But I wouldn't invest my own money into starting to lead. Yeah. Well, listen, man, I appreciate you pulling up your legend. Bro, thanks for having me. We're gonna have your freestyle too, but we're gonna do a separate YouTube video for that. New music soon.

New music asap asap, go follow them online. Man Cassidy, appreciate your brother, Thanks for having me