#290 - Mistah F.A.B.

the culture. Man. And I definitely have seen you grinding for several years. Man, And I'm just happy to be here. Yes, sir, I'm kind of frustrated because I can't even buy your ship online. You don't have a website. Now, we keep it where you got to come get it straight from us. Man. That creates our own ecosystm. Where can I buy some some dope? Ara shit. Oh. I feel like everything that's on the internet is fake. It's all of it. It's all bout legged the irony of that. But you have

to go to Oakland. Yeah, you have to go to Oakland or tap into the you know the intricacies of our ecosystem. Man. One of us me, and you got to get it from us directly. I think we did that intentionally, though. I think a lot of I've seen a lot of clothing companies come and go just based off the fact of they've been too accessible, and then people bring the value of the brand down by just frivolously wearing it and not representing it as h for

the culture. Like we represent a straight, straight, strong harm strong arm on a culture. So you got to get it from us. It's kind of like we got evalidated, Like let me see you dope air approved. Right, Yeah, we got you, Like you either got to go and buy it or be tapped in, be tapped in. So you know, I'm gonna get you something I'm not tapped in. One's definitely tapped in, man, I definitely get your packages and everything. Man, how's everything? Though? I obviously got the

new album coming out this month? Right every week, bro, we're dropping. You know. That's the thing with us right now. We're doing this line this year hashtag PTA, which is pimp the Algorithms. So we're dropping. We're dropping an album every other week, every other every two weeks, there's an album. Yeah, so just dropping. So for you obviously. You know, we think of the barrier. I think of like independent grind. I think of independent rappers with twenty thirty albums, right.

You know, for you what was the thought process behind, you know, trying to figure out how to adjust that Bay Area grind to the algorithm to you know, it's just pta man. You know, right now we living in times where you have hundreds and thousands of artists that drop music consistently and it's so easy. There's no middle man now. It's back in the day it's hard to drop album right, Definitely difficult to drop an album back then.

Now to take an advantage, you have so many different DSPs and other ways to get your music to the masses. Our main thing is just I'm one of those artists where I really love music. I really love being in the studio creating, working, and that's a daily thing for me, even in the midst of all the other businesses. If you do it for free, I love it, right. So my main thing is I still get high off creating. You know, when I go in the studio, I feel like it's my first day still, right, and I go

in there with something to prove. I going there with something to create. I'm not one of those dudes that go on the lab and just you know, party bullshit, It's not my thing. I'm like, dude, I'm in here creating I really like and with my craft. I love it like that. So saying all that to say, you look in your email, you look at hundreds and you know, thousands of songs like no, they're just sitting. Why not put these out? Why not finish them? Why not? Why

just get them out? You know, get them out, and you never know what can happen. Somebody can You can wake up in the morning and your song is gone viral, somebody has done a TikTok to it, somebody wants to put it in a movie. You know. And as we grow and as we expand and expound, the others around us that have been in the creative field they do as well. So you have directors that may be working on music, that may be working on movies, a lot of things in Northern California right now with you know,

the Blind Spotting. Ryan Coogler is a childhood friend of mine, And these are people that reach out like, yo, I need some music for this for us, So why not put it out? Man? And you know, like I say, hashtag piece he pimped algorithms. My biggest advice to any artists out there, there's no perfect time to drop music.

So stop waking yourself and stop thinking it. Stop overthinking it, you know, and over analysts can cause paralysis, yep, and you'll be able to Then you stuff and then you get tired of the ship that you know is hot because you're like, man, it's just old. Now get it out. Then it don't come out, and then get the music out, man, Get the music to the people. Let the fans decide. Push the music out, and if it don't work, drop some more shit. And you're not being held or held

accountable to all men. Your last project was trashed. We don't want to listen to nothing else. Man. Just keep working, man, you know, keep grinding. Man. That's you know, if you're an artist and this is what you love to do, do it. I love it man. For you, you've obviously evolved into such a leader of the Bay. Like when I think of the Bay Area, I think of you, I think of forty. I think of a couple guys who are just kind of like I feel like on all levels, being an og I always see you embracing

the younger generation. I always see you kind of evolving the hustle, whether it's doing content now we're doing the store, the closing line, still obviously keeping your finger on the post of the music. Shit for you, like what motivates you to just keep the hustle strong? Man, I feel like you know it's in you. It ain't on you, you you know what I mean? Like I said, man, I love it. You have to really love what you do, you know, to continue to do it, especially when you're

doing it and it's not instant gratification. It's not instant monetary you know, consumption and things like that. We really just do it, man, we love it, you know with me and UNC which he's here, gonna come on and you know and chill. But embracing the younger guys, showing the younger guys. Look, there's no age limit in it.

It's no there's no expiration date. And creativity, you know what I'm saying, that's real, and remain creative, continue to keep doing I tell people Quincy Jones helped create Thriller at fifty years old. That's wildest thing, you know what I'm saying. And that's that's one of his biggest contributions to music and one of the biggest songs in music. You think about the Asian dude who just won the Best Actors last night, he was like he was the

little kid Jones. I'm seeing that. Yeah, they hugged and reenacted kind of like that same thing, which is kind of crazy. Yeah, but that that's like, that's what it is like. You know, you look at icons and legends, like Knives winning this first Grammy a couple of years ago, after all of the things that he's done, after after was written, like we we look at these things and we say, look at what our icons have been doing.

I come under as you eluded, uh, the e forties and you know the two shorts, Mac Dre's, Nicotina's and the several of the the icons that have done, Uh, they have pioneered what it is to be an independent artist. So just following that blueprint and then inoculating the things that I'm doing to show some of the younger guys. Look, I don't have to just start with music. We have a clothing store, I have a nightclub, I have a museum, I have nail shops. I didn't know, you had a museum,

the Dope Air Experience. So it's just a canvas that we're gonna allocate to other schools and everything. We're opening up our school and this summer the Dope Air Academy, which is just a it's like a course to teach entrepreneurialism and other things to help these people, these young kids jump the curve to be able to say, dude, we got to start our kids early. We got to start our kids in position to say due, let's get

you in the game early. One thing with us in the culture that we come from, sometimes our parents have taught us like you're too young for that, instead of this is how you do it. Don't touch that. You're too young to that. Nah. We have to change that narrative and break that monotony of not teaching and not educating. So I'm very you know, I'm huge on that. So that's all it is with me, man in a nutshell, is just keep leading that, keep going and embrace the

next generation. Don't hog space so long, and embrace there's room forever everybody. Yeah, come on, man, Yeah, for sure for you. I feel like San Francisco and the Bay and Oakland were probably as heavily impacted by the pandemic as like a lot of cities, because you know, with

extreme wealth comes extreme poverty. When I go to the Bay, because I try to make it out there probably like four or five times a year for Empire shit, and it feels like like, at least in the city, it feels like a lot of energy has kind of gotten pulled out of it. Now every time I go, everyone's like, it's Oakland's where you want to be. Oakland's where you know,

the night life is still thriving. And you know, for you being somebody from Oakland and just kind of assessing like the state of the Bay as a city, as a as a metropolitan area rather, how do you feel like you feel like it's bouncing back at all? Or because because you know, I was at trying to go to a wal fucking Walgreens in San Francisco and that ship was just not open because of the the law. You know, everyone was stealing out of there. It's tough, man.

And before we address the secondary, we must address the primary. You know, we're in the economical deficit is definitely hasn't affected and impacted and most of the time when this happens. You hear the wealthy complain about the loss of their wages and riches and things of their businesses that are slowing down. But the flip sides to that is what

about those that don't have those businesses to be affected? Right, So if poverty is how they're affected, So if poverty, if the wealthy are being affected, imagine how impactful and affected people living in poverty. The poverty and so what that does is that induces all of the other things. Crime goes up, you know, the violence and the impoverished mindset. So in that mind state, you look at a lot of the people that are involved that are trying to

rise above their areas that they're coming from. It's it's it becomes crucial, man, it becomes u It's a sad state. You know. It's a sad state where I can't come visit you at your store because I'm worried about if my windows are gonna get broken into. I can't come, uh, patronize your nightclub because I don't know if I'm gonna get rib going leaving my club, you know what I'm saying, leaving the club. So that's the the climate and the sentiment, the sentiments that we that we deal with and we

have to factor into these equations. But you can't blame them for doing what they're doing out of an act of survival. Yeah, I mean that's and that's that's the other the other side of the coin, Like the law, I think it's you could steal under a thousand dollars, Like if you have no money and you're starving, and you could go get your food and get your whatever

you need and nothing gonna happen to you. I mean, you're gonna do it or not, you know what I mean, You're gonna We we have to stop being so judgmental and judging right or wrong in situations that's either starved. Yeah, it's like context to every situation, like you know what I'm saying, and and and there's people who are going to take advantage of that who might not be starving. Yeah, definitely, most definitely. You know, it's hard to not be empathetic.

But then it's also understanding that you know, I don't I don't want to be naive to the situations that's going on. So yeah, like I say, you know, there is is what it is, man, and you just you just hope, you know, keep your fingers crossed, and hope that you and your family are protected man, and that

people find their way. And then as someone like myself as an influencer, continue to keep leading by example to show people how to create your own wells right and you know, and creating creating those wells, you can quench the thirst of many in your village. I saw was it your daughter whose car got bipped? Her? Her mother? Okay? Yeah, I saw like what you posted, was it her school work? To got her school work? Yeah? And you were like, hey, I get it as part of the game. I get it,

But can I get my daughter's backpack back? Get it? Like? Like people don't. People love the game until the rules hit them and now they want to change the rules. Bro, we in it. We know what we signed up for. We know where we live, and we know. You know you can't change the law of the jungle. You know what I mean, And we understand that. And knowing is immune to You're not above it, like you're you're you're not above and I don't care what you're doing if you if you in this, you know what it is.

It's just like if you in the game, and you signed up for something, but you got to come even when it ain't in your favor. So as I say, you know, my, my, my, uh my public service announcement, you know, to the bippers out there, like hey man, if you guys, you guys hit this card. Hey, I didn't know if you got the bag. Man, they're not in there. But some home. That's it and so its work. It has worked before. It didn't work that time. It

has worked before. The relationship. You know, some of the guys, you know, these young guys, they're the they're the mass crusaders. So sometimes you may know them and don't even know that you know them, and they'll follow you and be like, oh man, my bad, unc I didn't know, and you know, come drop it off. But uh man, my daughter is

such a warrior man. She was able to steal ace all of her finals and everything straight A's it was like her homeworker notes her notes, and it was a week before finals, you know, and she's she's, uh, she's she's such a chap man, and she's like she's she is so devoted to school man, and getting into she wants to go to you know, like an m I T or things like that. So she's she's super dedicated still as the finals straight A's man and I'm proud

of her. Which, uh, Golden State Warrior. At any time you answered, you think you can get to answer the phone, It's difficult, Like if real close someone, if someone said I have a million dollars, you have to get a warrior to answer the phone. Who who you call? Clay Clay? Uh? I mean that's that's a good warrior to you know, you know those are my brothers like you, I mean like you would have to give me a time frame, like all give me a window, like give me a

window of time, like you know what I'm saying. But pretty much pretty Gary's gonna answer anytime. Who's now back on the team? Yeah, So so Gary's Gary's gonna answer any time? Were you had with his dad? Yes? Of course, GPS from Oakland at all that ship talking me and Steph. Me and Steph are like super close, Like me and Steph have a super close relationship. Man. But you know this is we have to be mindful of who Steph Curry is. So you know I'm saying like I'm just

gonna call you. Yeah. So it's like I'm not just yeah, that's a that's a tough thing, like to be like, oh yeah, Steph's gonna answer that. You know, I would be lying, uh, but well he text back and when he call, of course. So it just has to be a time window though. Man. But I pretty have a great relationship with all of the fellas, man, you know, you know, Dre's little bro, and we just continue to

keep building. Man, you know, I love those guys. For you, is it frustrating as a Warriors fan to see they're like the number one bandwagon team now in the last decade And I'm like, nobody was rooined for the fucking Warriors when it was Manta Ellis and David Lee, and then before that it was like Stephen Jackson, you know, even when it was like run dmc right, nobody was there. But now it's like they're like, you know, the the team. But do you get frustrated to see like bandwagon Warrior

fans not at all? That's what winning does? You know? You you want to be able to say, man, let's continue to expand the bandwagon. Man, let's keep going that lets us know that we're winning. You have Yankee fans that probably can't tell you one person on the team. I just love the striking Cowboys fans. Cowboys fans, you know, all of these franchise man, you know, the Patriots of course,

the Lakers fans. I've seen so many Bay Area people that I know that were Lakers, al most definitely was lak Now they're warrior fans, a lot of them, and you're full of ship. So I grew up my dad watched them. Yeah, yeah, magic Johnson. I had a Magic Johnson jersey at four, Like, come on, man, cut it out. But uh, you know, it is what it is, like you that's what comes with winning, man. I definitely salute the fans that were there doing the tough times, and

you know, that's what I'm happy about. I'm just happy to see some of those people still going strong. Yeah, for sure, shout out what was his name, Bertrand's what was the guy's name? The big German fucking Center, the White Boys Lithuania. He died, He had to die so could exist. Yeah, and people forget that he was an All Starr. Just he wasn't an All Star, but he was good. But he led the league and uh yeah, pretty good man, pretty good, dug. It's like so fucking

Lithuanian and something like that. He was pretty good. And his wow, his girl, oh my god, we gotta see we could find a picture of her. Man. His girl was so fine. Oh my god. So yeah, I remember those days. Yo. If someone comes to the bay you're visiting, what's the advice so they don't get bitped? Are we like you lying? You get your rental car, you got all your luggage. Let's say I'm hungry, I'm gonna eat. Am I taking all the luggage out of a car

putting it in a restaurant with me? Most definitely? Okay. When you pull up, roll your windows down. Windows. You know most people pull up and be like, roll the windows up, we're getting out. No, when you pull up, roll the windows down. I don't care what the weather is, but roll the windows down, okay, and take everything out of your car. Don't risk it. The great advice is go to the room first, or go to your airbnb,

put your stuff up, don't leave. Don't leave a Safeway bag in the backs, don't leave nothing, a fucking charger, nothing. Because what happens is they identify the cars and they like, oh, that's a rental. They know so they know it's a rental, like it's a science to it, right, so it's a rental, like, oh he got a brand new christ the three hundred. Oh we got a rental. And then people be thinking, this is the biggest reason why most people get bipped.

Those hazards. Those hazards let a person know that you're coming right back to the car, so it's evident that you've left something in the car since you're coming right back that fast, and hey, somem's in here. That's a green light. Yeah yeah, because it happens, so like you could go, you could go to that door, to the front door right here. The bit pulls up so fast by the time you get back here, you like, oh so hey, yeah, man, roll your windows down. You come

to the Bay Area, roll your windows down. You're not safe. Don't think just because you're going in the Starbucks and anything like that, you are not safe. Row the windows down. You will be highly disappointed. Just allow them to open the door and go through it. Man. And there's nothing that there's no chain of command. So you can't call the big homie, you can't call the rapper to be like, man,

can you get my stuff? Bro? That's gone. It's probably some fourteen year old, fifteen year old who don't even know who your big homie is. He don't know nothing. It's no protocols, no chain of command, it's none of that. This is getting how you live. They eat you feel me? They out are the key boys eating out there right now, because in LA there's just a lot of little kids stealing keys with USB's right now. Man, it's all kind

of stuff. You got the scat cat boys, the hellcat because you know, they got the whole you know, the bay is a little bit more technic, technologically technologically advanced. It's Silicon Valley, so there's some silicon game going on. There's some pull up to your car with the iPad reprogrammed the hell cat. We'll get the meat on God. Wait, so what do they do? Man, You got the reprogrammer, so you got the when you get in the car, you got the reprogramming, putting it under the thing. Reprogram

The key folks started up. It's serious, that's amazing. It's a whole different level of some of thievery going on out there. Some of them disable your key on God and bring a new key and just reprogramming that's impressive. The youngsters is man. They advance. That's why I was telling us, Say, dude, y'all taking all this time for crime.

Imagine if you did something positive with it, Like imagine if you created the anti program where now you can deactivate somebody that's trying to program, like you can win, be smart, use your talents for a great You're out here reprogramming vehicles in a vert in a highly stressful situation. With a very small amount of time, you can work on something different. Bro, you're under a lot of stress. You can be diffusing bobs for the FBI. Whoa man

you got? You got talent kid, Yeah, a fourteen year old, fifteen year old kiddie. Like then the way he explained it to you is so funny. All you gotta do, bro, take the iPad, put it under the thing. When you get the key, boom, it's gonna pop up. The app is gonna show up. So then you reprogramming bright. Then you got about ninety seconds. Once you get it, you click it, boom, Then you get up out of there,

and then you gonna take it to the Mexicans. The Mexican's gonna give you three four thousand form, Bro, just chop it down. Crazy, Bro, that's amazing. Say y'all, y'all too much time and said, my brother, that's all I be looking for. Bro. I'm either gonna bip or get me a Hellcat brand. I know I can go. Give me a quick three thousand dollars, real fast, bro, I say, bro, y'all is crazy. Stay away from the Hellcat for real Hellcats and sketch. You will get reprogrammed. Man, we could

get you too unk brow yo, Lambo, that's not safe. Bro. Let me see this key. Oh yeah, I can reprogram this. I could reprogram this. Man. You got to be cool leaving your key in the car. Huh. That shit is crazy. I think back. One of the viral moments when in the blog era that you had was when you know, in my opinion, one of the greatest rappers of all time fell death to your sword on stage and I'm talking about Royce the Five Nine. You guys had a battle, and I think Royce is one of the grace of

all time. So you bodied him. It was rough, No, it was I felt like you caught him off guard. And there was a lot more factors into what happened, right, It wasn't like Royce got killed, but like the circumstances did not line a favorablyefore Royce he was caught off

guard a little bit. I also don't think Royce came there, like I mean, you can kind of give you a little background what happened that night, because it's on YouTube, right, and not a lot of people can say, I shot the fade on stage with Royce and rapid and I got him. I caught him off guard that night. I don't think that he knew competitively what we were supposed

to do that night. Okay. I think one thing that was told to me was we're going to have a freestyle battle with this person, this person, this person, and everybody's going to be there. One guy didn't show up. I think something had happened to something. Something did happen to Joe Butden's brother that night. So Joe was supposed to be there. And this is why I tell people all the time, here's here's a good hairline headline for us.

That night created Slaughterhouse MMMM. Because Joe Button was supposed to perform that night. Unfortunately, something had happened to his brother which prevented him from coming, which left me and Royce to battle and dual. So when we got up there to battle, I don't think that he understood that it was like that kind of battle, Like it's more like everybody just just get a verse some bars all,

you know. So I caught him off guard, me being the young you know, super guy just excited, you know, for one him being one of my favorite rappers, he's a got to being like, yo, I get a chance to spar with with Royce tonight, I'm bringing the best shot. I'm going I'm swinging, so you know what I'm saying. So we did that. So then that led to Joe and Royce having words. I forgot that the little beef. Yeah,

this is before Slaughterhouse, So that night created Slaughterhouse. Yeah, because off of their beef is how they kind of yeah, got cool. So then it was like Joe was like, Hugh Royce, y'all whack woo, you know, Joe, Joe gets in his bag and he was like whatever, like y'all

not even in my lone lane. And then Joe and Royce, I mean Joe and Royce and then me and Royce and they were like, we did what we did And then they were they went and then they you know, that was that began and took for real, so it conflated. They came together, they got Joel and and Uh and Crooked and created the Dope who was on that first song.

Nino Blessed was on a song with them, and he was like, there was there was a song called Slaughterhouse and I think it was five of them, but they didn't end up including No Blessed, so Joe Crook and Joe and then they created you know, arguably one of the dopest groups. You know, especially first album was amazing for sure. Man, to be able to watch all of

those dudes just trade bars was super dope. Man. It was funny because my dude came to me one day he was like, cuz, man, you helps work that bro, they could at least put you on a song or something. I say, Man, that's crazy. I say, Man, they're in a different league, man. You know we we we the underground. We like the dude that beat Tyson in prison and nobody knows his name. We just heard the rumors of

Tyson lost a fight in jail. What is interesting too, because I do feel like, for whatever reason, it's still happening. But in terms of like the Bay Area, if you go to the Bay it is very much like its own like you're like in your own country kind of hip hop. It's like an island. Like you go to the club, you're gonna hear shit. You're gonna hear songs from people who aren't from the Bay that you won't

hear anywhere else. Like you'll hear some Baby Boy the Prince or some like for sure, you'll just hear shit that like only worked there. The Way We Live still gets played, That's what I mean. Like this that that record, I think one of the young guys just redid that beat or something, or he's planning to redo that beat. That record is still big and people like never even

heard that record. It's so crazy because like it is indeed its own island, and I think that there's like gifts and curses with that while also being like one of the most influential places in hip hop. There's so

many things you can trace back to the Bay Area. Right, Why do you think you know twenty years later now you have a lot of context to your career and just you know, observing the music industry that the base still somehow doesn't get the flowers or respect you think it deserves, because I think it deserves a lot more love and respect, you know, in terms of the landscape

and hip hop. You look at independent artists that have dealt with mainstream artists that have been backed by powerhouse machines, and you can't there's no equivalence to an independent artist pushing out his own product versus a label that's pushing millions and correct and you know what I'm saying, hundreds of thousand dollars behind a single correct for someone who's pushing a couple pennies towards a project, you know, And that's at the end of the day, that's what it is. Like.

The difference is, as independent artists, we've created an infrastructure that has solely been based off a fan artist type relationship. We look at what the Russell is doing right now, and that's all just fan base. That's all community. This whole community and this ecosystem is that's what to marginalize the Bay Area in a nutshell, that's what it is.

It's just artists that has succeeded in respected markets with the art with with the fans and the group of people that support them and they just focus on them.

Like you may take the hottest artists in the country and put him against somebody in the Bay that that may be thriving there demographically, and they do a show, they're gonna be people that are going to be going to that to that Bay, to that artist from the Bay's record, or if they put them on the same show, that artist is gonna be like, damn, why y'all let me open? Like just brought Dlo out like a few months ago, and it was crazy. It was I feel like it was like somebody else YG, maybe it was

Kline brought him out about three months ago. Yeah, I think that's what I was if. I mean, obviously she was from the Bay, you know, so it's a little little but I was just like that so tight she brought him out, and then YG brought him out about a month ago, same energy. D Low has hit the ground running. He just, you know, came home from prison and just been hitting the ground running. And like I

told him, he's so influential. He doesn't even know, right, he was a kid when that record was probably sixteen years old, seventeen years old, and all of these years later, that record is still the number one records in the in the party starting record, and so now this is about him getting out and expanding and continuing to keep moving forward. But you see that times over in the Bay.

There's so many different artists that are doing There's a young artist named Cato who has a record called go Off that went viral on TikTok, and you don't see people working records anymore. And like I was telling him, though, put some y'all never even worked that record. I'm like, hunk, all this person some energy, put some energy behind it.

Like if you really put some energy behind this record, say I didn't watch y'all blow twenty thirty thousand and on the weekend at the club or something, go put that behind somebody. Call you know this guy and say, man, can you work this record? Help me get this record? Yeah, I see. Like the stunner Man kid's been working his record for two years, two years now, two years and stunner Man his energy alone, he's just a good person, great kid. He's got his he's got an amazing line

of organic juices that taste amazing. He's just a great kid. His energy for sure, like his energy just so he's just a great kid man, so it's hard to not like him. Like we were in I was a he records at my home studio, like where I do all my work at Studio X. And he came in the other day and he was like, man, what did it take to get you on the song? I'm like, what, I'm like, load up? What you want me to get on?

He said, But I got this one, but then I might have liked it this but this one sound cool too. Just did three verses for me real quick. Well pick what you like, just take whatever one. He was like, But that's you know, that's the type of organic energy that we own. Man right there, man, and and and and that camaraderie can continue to help bridge what has ever been separated in there. You got a lot of guys that are that are working extremely hard from all

cities up in the Bay. San Francisco is really thriving, Oakland, e p A. Berkeley, Richmond the most. Definitely Valeo and Sacramento, which a lot of people won't consider the Bay, Stockton and Sacramento. Stockton's on fire. Doctor is crazy, like the whole Stocking movement is on fire. And unfortunately that and you know, I know they lost the Slow B guy, but nursing piece of Slow B and Stockton Is but all the EBK all those guys though, I mean, those

guys are crazy. And then we just seen Haiti Baby get signed with so you know, yeah, I always like it is funny because you'll you'll hear like you'll talk like you'll talk to certain people from and they're from like Sacramento and or stocked It and then you'll ask them if they don't think that, you know, like where are you from from the Bay? I'm from Sack, I said, right. But now Sack has created its own representation. Now they just like it's just like that. They just just pieful

now now from Sack. So you know what I'm saying. You know, you contribute, uh, the mazi's and the cmos, you know, and and and all of the dB botty Bags and all of these other artists that have done tremendous work to grab them their identity in the continuance of the Sea Bowls and the X Rated, the roop Dogs and Brother Lynches and these guys that have that

have done it for years. Marvelous, one of the first female rappers to be on the scene, yeah, come on like you like ce Bo is a pioneer man, independent like this is. There would be no sack music scene without ce Bow and you know in black Market. You know when I was able to do. When I was a little kid, I bought Season of the Sickness for Brotherly Brother Lynn. Well, I didn't buy it. My best friend had the CD and I was probably like seven eight, and I believe that he was eating but I love

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We spoke, I did a They pushed a hard line, super hard. I mean they're strict. It's like it's kind of like it's because a bot camp camp for sure, Like you go on tour and get fine and ship. Me and Tech are like this like that's that's my brother man. And Tech has showed me so much love and game. I remember my first time going to Kansas City doing the show. Shortly after Macdrey was assassinated. Tech came to the show and was like I'm not letting

nothing happen. He was their security guards and from I'm talking about from me entering Kansas City to me leaving, he was with me. And I was just like how did you get my number? Like this is like like he just called me. I was like what's up. I'm like, Tech, what's up? Where you at? Like, man, you're at Candy tonight right pulling up and he just stayed with me.

It was like nothing's going to happen to Yeah. For people who don't know mac Drey was murdered in Kansas City, man and and Tech uh uh and Joe and like the whole squad. Travis made sure that we was cool man and like man like yeah, but the strange music, like bro, they so militant. Like when Tech goes on tour, Tech does like ninety eight days, ninety eight dates and one hundred days. It's it's no rooms you're shwering at and he's expecting a baby right now. I don't know

how that's gonna happen. Like, bro, you shiring at truck stops for sure. You gotta get up at six in the morning. You gotta deal with those those strange music fans who are a special kind of fan. At the end of the show, you gotta wait till all the meet and greet and the signings and all that's done. So you might have performed at nine o'clock, you're not leaving that city till two o'clock. You gotta be at

the next city at a certain time. You gotta shower, I said, I went out, I'll say to boogie for this. So I don't want to. I don't want to be this type of successful. This is a different level of success. I love my freedom, brother, I don't I want to shower in a nice place. I am the room type. I am the I got to go go to the hotel. I got to catch an airplane. Man, I can't do it like I don't know, say it wasn't meant for

me to get to get on that way. Sometimes you got to realize, Man, you gotta really applaud those people that put in that extra effort and Tech nine is the reason why he is and the reason why they're successful as they are because the behind the scenes work that they put in. Oh my god, the average artists wouldn't last. That's a real rap boot camp. Like, that's like, dude, you come in here, it's deer. You got to be ready for sure. So I love them and I salute

them like for what they do. Man, them dudes are definitely deserving of everything that they get. I think some people who aren't from the Bay might not understand the gravity of mac dre, right. I think that for a lot of people, mac Dre wasn't a thing until he passed, and that's how they found out about him. Now, obviously in the Bay it's a lot different, But I had heard prior to him passing he was more embraced by like the like more nerdy, like like Berkeley, like rap

hippie shit. Like. Explain to me kind of the dynamic of mac dre like and his kind of career and how things change in the way he was perceived after he passed, even even from like somebody like yourself, I think even the misconception of Berkeley, like we we people grab Berkeley from Telegraph Street and they think that that's just Berkeley, Like Berkeley is hood, Like you know what I'm saying, it's you got the South Berkeley's the waterfronts, like,

so all Berkeley, not just what you see on Telegraph Street. Like what I'm saying, Berkeley is like it's a real spot, like it's a hood spot. So his fans, though, to you know, support what you were saying. He had a fan base before he before he got out of jail, like people forget the California living, people forget the too hard for the radio on his first run where he sold you know, hundreds of thousands of records, and it's safe to say that was before the fist face for sure,

way before that. Then you know, he went to the federal penitentiary for trumped up charges and he refused to tell on his friends. He did about five and a half years and he came out and his philosophy was, Man, I'm just gonna have fun. I'm gonna just kick it, make some party music and chill and Miami created you know, the term this and it was just about just having fun, like doing the hippie, like creating the modern day hip

hop hippie, and a lot of people don't understand. He went, I won't say under the wing, but let's say side by side with Andre Nicotina, and Nicotina was like another legend who doesn't super icon, who you won't get an interview out of, you won't anything. It still does like

random shows. Yeah, he'll do when he wants to. You'll be like a Nicotina's performing here, like he's doing this, He's doing this thing now with the symphony where they're doing He's like the San Francisco Symphony is doing his music and like Niggis. I think Godzi was telling me about that. I love Nikki, like like Nikki is a

dude where he's a he's a guru man. He'll he talked to you in parables and it's just like you sit up and you be like see all that ship just miss me Lean a kid from Phoenix, like the mac dre Andre Nicotina. I was listening to forty in a major way. I was listening to all the two short ships. So they were underground, so like hieroglyphics, but like and and like Selly sell ship like that, but that like under Drey Dog was like Dre Dog is you know that's Nicotina. That's like the under undercut. So

Dre and Dre and Dre hooked up. So Nicotina and and and uh mac Dre hooked up and Dre was like, I'm gonna introduce you to these other fans, to these fans. That's supportive, to these fans, that's gone no matter what you do. And we went out on tour and it was a Nicotina tour and me, I was like, I thought mac Dre was bigger than Nikki until I went to the Seattle's and the Olympias and the Salem's and the belly Hans and I was like, oh, it's different.

He's bringing them out. Yeah, like Nikki huge. So I got a chance to go on a Canadian tour with Nicotina and I was just I was blown away because I'm like, we're going in the cities you can't I can't even pronounce the city and I'm just like the lines wrapped around the corner and like Nicotina is just

like wow. So that's the fan base they had. They had, like you know, big shoutouts to Santa Rosa, Sebastia Pool, Petaluma, Yukaya, Humbled, all of these small cities that people bypass the normal mainstream hip hop they go right by those these cities. But these guys made a career off showing love to those fans, right and until this day, those fans are very still supportive. Man. And that's the Bay areas Chitlin circuit where they go out, because yeah, that's real. It's

like you get kind of that whole. You can go to Boise, you can go tour, you go from from Seattle to San Diego, and then we jump over because of course we go to Arizona, we go Boise and from that area, that whole little that Chitland circuit, a bay area and artists can make a living and now too and a good one and LA artists. It's the same,

most definitely, most definitely because the sound is similar. Yeah, because the LA shit, Like I'll notice, like guys like you know, I'm always trying to talk to some of my friends and be like, hey, you know, like how do we get past get you past Arizona or get you past Albuquerque? Right? You know what I mean? Because that's really the key kid named Kaitlyn for Real, for real did a good job because he just moved to Atlanta for like a year. He went crazy when he

came to the Bay. Yeah, so like, but he went to the South and try to break there first, and it kind of worked in his favor because you know, now he can go to Atlanta and do a show. But I do think that chitpland circuit is a real thing you have. You have to tap into the chitpland circuit because something that people lack nowadays that they allow social media to confuse them into thinking just because you have followers that you have fans. True, and that's a

different fans break bread to buy the shirt. Followers kind of like nosy neighbors. Your followers are the people that just want to look and they peak through the window. Thet won't. But the difference between followers and fans are those fans are going to say, dude, I'm going I want I want that picture, I want to be I want that autograph, I need period of tattoo. By the way, hey listen right, you know I need that, you know, And then that fan is they're going to subscribe to

your tribe, and that's how you become successful. That's how somebody passed the Mississippi may have never heard of mister Fab or past the Rockies may not have never heard of mister Fab. But you come to our area and you're like, wow, you you have all of these entities and you have this influence, and you ride around town and Lamborghinis and Maseraties, you do all of this things. You know, all of the things that they're in awe by.

But it's because we wouldn't be anything without the fans, and so our Chiplin circuit is it's very impactful and thriving, especially if you go out and you involve yourself and dedicate with them. So why do you think? Uh? And I might be wrong, but was mac Dre more embraced by the inner city after he passed or was his influence recognized more once he passed away in terms of just kind of like the Hyphee movement and like what

kind of came after his death? Because I feel like after mac Dre passed away is really when the Hyphee movement took on a whole new level. And I can you know, obviously, you can give a lot of credit to a lot of people, but I think might get a report card is kind of what brought the hyphee movement too the world. But like, why do you think that he wasn't maybe necessarily appreciated as much as he is now because I've never been the guy a lot.

I'm not like, I've never been a big Mac Dre fan, So I try to understand that because I go to the band, I'm like, God, damn it, it's motherfucker. I went and bought him Mac Dre sodaan Balo. You know what I'm saying. It's a hip hop fan who's never heard a J Dealer beat, who would argue that Jay deal is one of the best producers ever. I just had this kid, cash kid from Detroit, who's from Detroit, and I said, have you ever heard of Jay Dealer?

And he was like, Oh, what's that? I was like, so like, it's just like what comes with the post is people just automatically begin to give you a certain amount of praise or they contin just because they feel like And that's unfortunate because I think we just saw it with Nipsey most definitely, like the world stopped when Nipsey died and it was like where were these people

that when Nips was alive? For sure, like you know, now give it credit that there were a lot of people that loved Nip for sure, But was it like that, right, you know what I'm saying. Was it like that? It's almost like he had to to be fully appreciated for everything he was doing. It's like they're seldom do you see artists get a chance to receive that love while they're alive. I think mac dre was able to receive that in the world that he was in. He was

able to feel that. He dropped the DVD called Trill TV, and and this is just being in transparency. People in Oakland was just like, Okay, that's the LAO, that's the rump, that's that's them, that's they doing their thing. They wasn't really super crazy Mac dre fans, not the majority. Of course, you have fans that were already previous fans, you know in theforemention of what we talked about. But when Trill TV came out and people was like, bro, this is

how you living. Like Trill TV showed him an effect where he had g wagon, he had the Platinum chain, he had the grill, he was like it. He became a superstar and for a long time, the Bay Area hadn't saw that. They hadn't saw somebody in the benses and and the things that he had, the chains and the watch. They was like, oh, this cut of this nigga saucy. He like, I want to be him. Like what I'm saying now, people want to They started aspiring

to be like him. The lifestyle. So that gave him a level of star power that you know, it was it was an avalanche and on his incline. Unfortunately, what took place took place, so he was he was rising back up on the end and so that momentum still pushed forward after he passed, and people were just like, bro, y'all, yeah, y'all seeing that, but y'all didn't get a chance to see it. So it became folklore. It was urban folklore.

It was like y'all didn't get a chance to see it. Yep, we was there, like we saw Like people tell you their stories of his star power. You know what I'm saying. It's like, you know, Jesus, people's got to talking about We don't know if those stories were true. It's like, man,

he touched it in Man and cure leprosy man. And when he took the bread and cut the fish up and fed everybody, it was like, you know, the folklore begins to expand, and so that's what it was with dre But if you asked me, was he able to feel or smell those roses? I do believe that he was because he was able to see his impact and

how impactful that it was becoming in his resurgence. And unfortunately it was cut short forty and Warner did a hell of a job with packaging up the high fee movement and selling it right shots a little John too, the most depinely that was all the you know, Warner Little John TVT forty. They did a great movement in pushing it forward, and a lot of people capitalized off

of it from you know, monetary perspective. But I feel like the whole package of seeing it all, if they would have got a chance to see it all, it would have been amazing, Like if you would have got a chance to see too short forty Mac dre Key, you know, and then the Younger Federation, the Team Fabs and Turf Talks and all of the other guys that played a significant role in keeping that snowball going into

an avalanche. I think you would have got a chance to see it being broader and being more spoke about, rather than just the folklore of what it was and

what it could have been. Do you feel like for you being do you feel like right now like everything's in good hands in the bay in terms of just the up and coming generation, Because I think a guy like Simba, who's kind of a young og, it's kind of like a you know, he's been around l Russell, I think is changing a lot of the way independent artists all over the world are thinking about their business, modeling what it means to be an artist. Like, how

do you feel about the new generation? I love those guys. I love Simba, I love Larrussell. I actually just did fab Week, which is my annual birthday party weeks and I brought drink Champs out to sit down with Larussell and Simba and other icons like Jay Styling. But you see people that are transitioning, You see the filthy riches that are transitioning from an artist to CEOs label. So He's given a lot of these artists chances to be heard. Then you have the underground guys that are working, still

trying to figure it out on their own. You have people like in different areas, every region has they're different. You got the all Blacks all said cham. You know those guys that have their fan bases. They're running and and and and they're working. Man, They're they're working. And I'm just happy to see these guys. I'm happy to see these guys. But one thing that I'm super proud of is, you know, San Francisco. I'm the little beans and the zay bangs and the little pets, like these

are guys that are doing numbers. Yeah, San Francisco. I feel like, kind of like musically was like the least popping city in the Bay for a long time because we think of the guys who came from Ballejo and Oakland. But now, like you said, San Francisco is kind of on fire. By the way, Larry June is also the hottest, the hottest. There's no one hotter than Larry Jones. I just gave Larry June a serious bag to do my nightclub last week and it was it was a good

turn out. Like there's there's there's no one nobody in California. I'm going to say that that if you put, if we talk about independent structure, we talk about you put you say that Larry June's coming, and then somebody else they're going to go to the Larry June shows. Like I've watched Larry June sellout shows not only in the States everywhere, but we were we were in Amsterdam and he had a show and everything is sold out, like like Larry Jones selling out shows all around the world.

Independent I want and I want to say this doing festivals. I want to say this to the to the disturbances is what I like to call people. As of late in the past couple of weeks or so, there's been internet turmoial where people are trying to say that Larry June has taken Dom's style, Dom Kennedy, and I want to say this. This is where hip hop becomes our

own worst enemies. Where fans begin to try to turn on people, or they begin to try to turn artists against each other, and they begin to create narratives, these narratives that are false. Both of those guys are extremely talented artists. Both of those guys have rolled in the same lane of life We're in California, so we've been exposed to the same level of culture, just different perspectives,

one from northern California, one from southern California. So before you guys begin to turn them brothers against each other, let's be able to say, let's push the narrative of them doing a tour together, them doing songs together, them continuing to create and come together, so that narrative begins broken. And now you can see more people being able to be employed and taking care of themselves. And it's also not like Larry June just popped up like Larry Jones been.

I got when we did the record with Larry June we did years ago. This is like like I feel like he's been at least ten years after. Like people o Jamaiko like he was he was he was he was on tour with Mako years ago, Like you feel me like like June June is and June comes from it. June's like a direct descendant of RBL, like this that

he's the child of Big June was in RBL. So like you know what I'm saying, when you see RBL, these guys are icons that sold several records, Gold records at a time where you know, San Francisco wasn't even getting credited for that. These dudes did that. So this dude, he's not somebody that he really from it, Like June is really that dude, like he really from it. So don't don't create those near it is, man. But Larry jon Is, Larry June's on fire. Camaya is doing her job.

She's such a masweetheart. And like I say, it's so many other artists, man, that are that are working, that are thriving, that are doing a damn thing man. And I'm I'm I'm happy, man, I'm happy to see these young guys get a chance to make something of themselves with their talent. That's a that's a blessing man, to be able to say, you got these guys like Cash click Bug, he's from Richmond, and man, they on fire. Man. They like they working and they grind and they doing

their thing. Man. And I'm just I'm just so proud of them. You got Brotherro who just signed with Little Dirt. It's a dude from West Oakland. You got the years, the catos, the lingos, and police blame the head and not the heart, but to all of the dudes that's working out there in the Bay Area. Man, keep going, keep pushing because y'all doing the hell of a job man, right,

for sure, No facts. It's also dorope to kind of see like a it's wild because I feel like you can speak to why you think Detroit and Oakland because I've talked to Detroit guys about this. It feels like Detroit, Oakland and San Francisco. There's like a Cousins. Yeah, it's you know, there's a lot of cousins similarities and the music and the hustle and the game, and you know when you a lot of Detroit guys very very big

in the base man cousins. Man. It definitely because people forget too short discovered kid rock facts back in the day because kid you know what I'm saying, people people forget that and the high Top so like people forget that. So the Bay Area and Michigan have always been one of the same, like you know what I'm saying, like their cousins e forty be legit or like icons there. That's why Big Sean wanted to do the record with forty, you know what I'm saying, Like that that connection is

it's been there, like you know. So it's so identical, same culture, same lifestyle, the player, won't you know, popping it, the hustling, you know, so a lot of that. The market is the same, so Day's loaf. Her first big market that she blew up in was the Bay before the rest of the country even heard of her. Try Me was a number one record in Oakland. In the Bay. All of the Detroit guys, man, they're they're they get they get love. Filthy is huge in Detroit. Huge, He's

out there a lot. Like Filthy goes to Detroit and you would think that he's from there, like you know what I mean, he's taking his whole crew. Mazzi is huge out there. Mazzi is huge out there, like you know what I mean. These guys have crazy fambaus. I remember I went out there to Detroit and I was shocked that people knew who I was. I was like, they're like fat, Oh my god, Like bro, that's crazy because during our movement we never went out there, right,

so it's like, damn we could. We could have been over here. Like sat of seen me sort of seeing me and unc and was like, bro, love y'all, Like like what I'm saying. I was like, Yo, that's crazy. So it's definitely the similarities are you know, it's it's the same in culture, So Oakland and Detroit, the whole Bay area in Detroit, Man is definitely a you know, they they stat by side and culture and fans and so it's dope. Well, once upon a time, you know, the Bay did have a bit of like a you know,

Drive Records had an office there. A lot of the music industry was based in San Francisco. And I talked to Gazi about this a lot, like his mission is kind of to do his part to try to bring that energy back and to try to bring people to

the Bay. Like do you feel like you kind of have that burden on your shoulders too to kind of make sure like, hey, you know, you don't have to leave, because I do feel like there is a there, and like to be fair, a lot of the bigger artists who come out of the Bay and then move into LA or they kind of do the back and forth thing.

Do you feel like you still kind of can make it nationally if you stay in the Bay or do you feel like it would be more productive to maybe go to La for a little bit, go to Atlanta for a little bit. Like it's all about what you want to do, right, what do you feel is fitting for you? Some people want to be famous, some people want to get paid. People want both. Some people want to be both. You know, are you willing to deal with the restraints and the constraints that come with that? Right?

Are you ready to deal with? You know, the liability that you become, that you put on yourself by being able to have to move around? And can you afford that lifestyle? You know, and these are the things that you have to just ask yourself, what are you willing to do? I feel like if anyone wants to continue to further the trajectory of their career, they must always move around. You must always be able to go connect the dots and other areas demographics and build a network

and learn to be a businessman in that regards. And if you go to Atlanta, save some rep money, right, you know, you get a chance to save some money and things of that nature. And and so it's all based off what do you want to do? What do you see fitting for yourself? You see the guys like Cupolo three to oh four, who's a star. He's a star to me for like you know what I'm saying,

and to be able to see him. These are the guys that I tell like leave I've been told filthy goal Yeah shit, Filthy had the opportunity to be on Rock Nation like goal goal bro go leave go. Fel me like you become a shark in the fish bowl like leave go. It's it's nothing wrong with like my aspirations for wanting to be a superstar megastar died years ago. And it wasn't like I've settled or I've become complacent.

It was just like I'm cool, I'm I'm I'm friends with the superstars, you know, and I'm okay with that. I can call them. Those are you know, those are my guy I could call? You know, could I could call these people like you know, I can, I can pop up, you know, I can have stuff come to the neighborhood and you know, come chill. I could. I could do all of these things with all the superstars. I get the features and you know, I've never paid

for a feature in my life. I got records with Kendrick Lamar and all of these guys, like you know what, I'm saying. So I'm okay with that, you know what I mean. But to the next generation, if you do want to go take that man, go go move around. And that's to any artists that's the artist from LA that's the that's an artist from Consequence, New Mexico. Go, yeah,

you should definitely go. Like you know what I'm saying, just just go go see the world, go venture out and go and go network like right now, and I live I live my dreams vicariously through my uncle, Like you know what I mean. My uncle is doing. He's he's a star. My uncle is bigger than a lot of rappers where we're from right now, Like you know what I'm saying. And so the whole Uncle Hunk show

is just like I want to see. I love the excitement sing him with these major artists and then these artists that come like that watch our page or that see us and just be like, bro, I was cracking up watching y'all, like do what you do, And to me, I live it through him. I get juiced off that man. You know, that's super dope for you. Do you ever see yourself retiring from rapping? I mean, as long as

the passionate and the loves there. Like we were talking earlier, I'm sure you're just gonna, yo, just keep keep it going, because why not. I'm a writer, so I don't. I don't just rap like you know, like I've wrote platinum and gold records for several artists, right, like you know what I'm saying. I think that's one thing that has always you know, kept me around the basket. I got

that pen, yeah, I can. You know I write for several artists, you know, knowing Lee and those that you were like, oh I didn't know you were, Okay, you wrote that. So so I love this music. And like I say, my idols aren't just rappers, like my idols are the Quincy Joneses and you know, the Miles Davis and people that have contributed to music in ways that have surpassed just the rapper mentality, like you know what I mean. And so I will always stay around it.

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to the interview, getting it. Getting it's the one. But you know what's crazy getting I feel like life is too short? Was like I think that was like way yeah, well that was like but like cuss words. I just remember learning cusswords by heart as a kid because it was like one of the few rap albums my dad had. Short dog Like I mean, like I said, that's my hip hop dad. That's the dude who you know, I call pops, who has taken me all around the world with him, who has shown me and his most gorrific

way of teaching. He just like someone just told me, well, never mind, I don't think I'm probably not someone's gonna be playing too short in a movie or a show. Yeah, symbol, Oh, I didn't know it's public. It's public. Pl He looks just like him. Dead on him. It's fucking crazy, dead on him. He got the tooth and everything, the coat, the hat, to the back. So he called me. He called me, he was like, big brother, can you put me on the phone with Short man. I just want

to show him this little thing. So I facetimed the way all he was like. Sure, was like, oh that's crazy, crazy, So and then that right there, like that alone, man, it's just crazy. I mean, like, you know, Short is short of somebody who they'll never give him his credit, right like unfortunately, it's going to take for him to ascend after this long and for people to really be like damn. He was on Life After Death. It was

on volume two any major album. I mean too Short, Like when I was a kid, I thought Too Short was the biggest rapper in the world to me, like as a little kid, I was like, Short is the only artist and not to cut you off, I apologize now. Short is the only artist that has a song with Biggie Pop jay Z PIMPSI. Yeah, he had Anybody you name. He had his Atlanta run like anybody you name Short has records with on their album. First time I ever

heard Little John was that he shine Little John. He signed Little John at seventeen and then was so player. He let him go for nothing like when the major labels wanted to get Little John, he John was like, man, can I get out this contract? And he let him go. He was like ohhea, like I'm not do your thing. And that's why to this day they have the greatest relationship in friendship. Like John damn there just got him

the residency. Short big shoutouts to Short just got a residency in Vegas on a was that taw one of them clubs? Like this is short man like Shortest, Like I brag and I talk about him more than he does for himself, Like I'm his voice, I'm his I'm his come on, like you know what I'm saying. And it's just because I don't like the way that the industry tries to normal normalize what he has done for

hip hop. Like how many people that you know that you can say was famous as a rapper in nineteen eighty two, It's crazy, Like, Bro, that's forty years, Bro, forty one years where he was a known rapper famous. Really like him and Iced Tea in terms of this side, Yeah, like come on, bro, like you see Ice get a star love uncle HEAs that's huge? Why not like one

has who has? Just tell me who has done more than two short and hip hop for the past forty years, right, it's crazy forty like four And when I just talking about like forty years, I'm talking about this dude got songs with Lady g Go. Like He's like this is short, Like this is short. Walking up into the Playboy mansion, I was a kid. He walks up. Hugh Hefner walks up to him and was like, what's up, Todd. I'm like, Bro, you have knows you by your name. This is crazy.

Like I'm saying, this is crazy to me, Bro, Like nobody's bigger than too short my eyes man, And like I say, man, like even right now. And I just text him and he's like, till this day, Pops, what you're doing? Man, I'm in the studio. MA, I'm in a labbin Like it's like I'm still in Like he's still there, Like this is crazy, bro. So I mean, if it's all right, can I bring my uncle up here? What's up? Man? Come here? Man? Were he said, what you want? You want your own got to do his own.

We gotta do his owne Oh, you want your own interview? So you're not gonna come on? What's he saying what do you say? Oh yo, you want to come over here? Come on, man, come on, get go ahead, take over? So you took over the show? Oh yes, it's no longer the bootleg. It's bootleg. Ain't nothing bootleg about me. Don't get it messed up. So what are you doing? Man? I'm doing the bootleg cav takeover by So what's up? Man? First to be done? I have three questions for you?

What so next? Serious? Questions? Don't be this could be be funny. Don't mean everything's funny. So are you ready? Maybe gotta take my interview serious? I'm ready, man, I'm ready. Let me get here, let me get back an interview mote? All right? You ready? All right? What so you know growing up in the in the hood or the urban communities, however you want to address it. A lot of our kids come up without being properly trained how to have dreams, goals,

and how to accomplish them. A lot of us we just go through life trying to survive and trying to figure it out because no one investing in us that we can be anything we want to be. You know, some people, you know, certain households, their parents really invest in them. They you know, they push them to be great. They they're enrolling and all these activities as kids, so they don't really have free time to be able to

run around and do other stuff. So what is something that you would some advice that you would give a kid about chasing dreams? Great question. I feel like the greatest advice is never be afraid to dream, Never be afraid to be more than what you are. Never be afraid to venture out outside of the walls that have us confined to our neighborhoods. When we had our project buildings, we had that gate, and in that gate, we never thought that there could be life outside of that gate.

We didn't see a possibility outside of those four corners that we called our hood, our block. It was the story, it was the school, it was the turf, it was the steps, and outside of that, we felt like there was nowhere place, no place for us. And the greatest thing that my mother did for me was she cultivated

my mamagination. She allowed me to have an imagination, because in order to surpass those walls and those blocks and those corners that we come from, the only way that we're able to fly over them is through our imagination. And my greatest advice to these children, to these kids, to parents, to big homies, to anybody that comes from our areas, never corrupt a child's imagination. Allow them to

do that. Like I told a person on Christmas, you believe that you know whatever you believe in, Allow that child to believe in, saying, allow that girl to have her imaginary friend that she talks to, that doll that she talks to. Allow that kid to, you know, imagine, because sometimes your imagination is the only thing that can

get you out of those situations. Yeah, because you can become so consumed by what your days, the reality of what's your reality around you, that you that a dreak like something that you would think is poser for you, You You would think that your situation like what won't make it takes you out of the equation of being able to reach those things. But sure, why so serious to that? Though I thought you was gonna get over here, I got another question of you taking over his own interview

with you. Why are you He ain't sweating me? Why you sweating me? You wouldn't sweating her like this? What's the next question? So the next question is right now, you along our journey in life, a lot of things happened that we may not be ready for. We not we may not be willing or ready to take on, but we have no choice because it's just what comes

with our journey and lives. Like, we don't be able to pick what's ahead of us, right, we only could prepare ourselves to deal with it when we get there.

I don't like to use the word regret, so I'm gonna say, what is one mistake you may have made in your rap career that you can explain that may give another up and coming rapper some knowledge on what maybe he might not want to do when it comes to his career that may prevent him from, you know, maybe shortening his career, maybe making it take go a little slower. Like, what is something What is a mistake that you may have made that somebody else may able

to get something out of. It's the difference between confidence and arrogance. Coming up, I've always been confident, right, but sometimes we don't understand that there's a difference between confidence and arrogance. Arrogance is a it's a thin line between being humble and being hubris, and that arrogance is the thing that offends people, and you're intentionally slighting someone just because you may want them to look at you a certain way or you want them to put some certain

respect on it. And there's no need to do that. Like if you're a good person, there's no need to treat anyone bad. Right, just because you got money don't mean that you need to look down on people. And I think in the early stages of my career, I allow my arrogance to override my natural confidence because you can still be confident and still be a humble individual. Yeah, because I was going to have an extra I was

going to add on to that. Do you think that some people be arrogant because personally they don't have they they're really not as confident as they think they so they really they really try to be macho with they not confident. They try to be machi because they because conveidens come with like a control. Right, you understand mean and it teaches you. I'm confident enough to know that when I come in here, I don't have to be arrogant. Right.

I never thought that I was better than anyone, but I knew that I worked harder, and sometimes that can activate some people's insecurities and then your arrogance overrides it. So now they look at confidence. Is Steph Curry pulling up from half court feeling like I can make the shot right. Some people would be like, oh, he arrogant. He shot it from won't won't Nah. That's just contidents because when they asked him, man, why did you shoot that shot? And I felt like I could make it right,

it wasn't. Oh I knew I could make it. I won't want nah. That arrogance sometimes is a sucker complex. Yeah, that's what I mean. I'm saying you a sucker complex where the guys that act Keller tough or the females that act Keller most of the girls that be mean as hell be real sweethearts. That's their defense mechaniicanism. So I allow my arrogance to become a defense mechanism. And I offended certain individuals, and I'm thankful that I did it because it taught me the lesson because I wouldn't

be able to know. So, uh, there's no regret to it. But it was, Yeah, it was. It was a mistake, a mistake, you know, and you learn from it and you build on okay, And my last question is this, if you had the opportunity to to really be able to do an album, or or or participate or or do anything musically, would one artist? Who would that artist be? And why? Sam Cook? To me, Sam Cook was the greatest artist of our time. It wasn't my time, but

just of that genre of music, soul music. Not only was Sam Cook a great artist, he was a brilliant songwriter. But something that trump's all of that is at a time where black men didn't own their music, where black men didn't have anything, the black artists at that time would receive pennies. This man owned his own label, He owned his own label, he signed his own artists, He did a lot of things that was he trumped everyone that was around at that time soulful. He was a superstar.

He was a super duperstar. And I would love to do something with Sam Cook. Man like Sam Cook. To me, he was the greatest man. But uh, I love your questions, I love your seriousness, and I appreciate, but care for letting us rock man the air away. That was a good question. Let's wrap it up with Let's wrap it up man. Listen the next time I see you. I need some of these got hey, hey, listen, we got we got you on the dope air everything, and we

would love for you to come up. Man, the next time I'm in the bay, I got I'll be out there soon. We're gonna do. So what what I've been doing, We've been doing these things to just help the artists that I'll be out there to watch the Sons eliminate you guys in the playoffs. So what mhm, wow, 'm gonna catch a game, go watch you know, go watch

Katie come back. If that's the case, we need to take advantage of him coming to see Phoinish lose and why are there do something amazing with him, do something. It's still to do the watch party at the club. Whatever we gotta do, go to the game. I'll be super excited to watch you guys losen to the Suns in the playoffs this year. I ask your question, do

you honestly think that Phoenix is gonna like let's talk sports. Okay, okay, okay, if Katie is, if everyone's health wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, you're talking about a Phoenix Suns team that we're able to reach the semi conference finals. Without a KD. So now it's an if KD. Well, first of all, we just got rid of Cam Johnson and Michael Bridges, who were very important parts of that team. Okay, Two, if Kevin Durant is healthy, I don't think anyone's gonna

beat us. You know a little something about putting a little extra on top of that a team that was already on fire seventy three nine and nine team adding Kevin Durant, So you know you and I were both the same now, Yeah, but the only thing is we have all had a ring before him. Yeah, but that was because Kyrie Irving and Kevin Lover fucked up. Are we gonna use because this shout out to Della Dova still gave step some Hell, let's just be listen. This is just crazy. Yes, we find any way to say

to take away. We had a ring before KD and we have a ring after KD. So now is the pressure on? Can I be honest with you? Or the most important and best ring you guys won was last year's ring. No, that's the best ring you guys ever won because there's no there's no caveat or asterisk to that ring. So there's an asterisk to our other rings because of injuriescuse people weren't able to endure a full

season and stay healthy. That's our fault. Like I said on the court, last year is your most respected ring you've got. Can you at least agree on that. I love that ring last year? You think it's but do you think it's the most And when it comes to integrity, nobody could say shit about last year. You guys were you guys. Nobody gave you guys a chance. You guys won the fucking championship. You played a great Celtics team, who are the favorites this year? And there was no

there was no shenanigans. I love that ring. I loved last year's ring. I love the effort collectively that the fellas did. We were able to You know, I don't know what it's like to have a championship. I know that's that sucks. That's I don't even know what that is. I never understand this kind of station. But the beauty of it is I think the ring that we missed out on was the most important to me, which is crazy. Like the seventy seventy three and nine that was that

was heartbreaking. It's okay, because you guys added KD to that team, and then yeah it was, and then you ruined the league for a couple of weeks. Sometimes a loss that humbles you is far greater than a win that adds to your arrogance. Well, I sure hope that we ruined the league for the next few years too, with its not gonna happen. Like Chris, Chris Paul's not a winner. Here we go. He's never won anything. He didn't win at Georgia Tech. He did, He's never won.

He never won in New Orleans, He's never won in LA when he had the greatest duck and mess way what Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan. It was Ali you Central Lop City the greatest though. I mean for that time an athletic in his prime, Blake Griffin dunking over anyone. All you got to do is throw the ball up and you couldn't win. You lose. You come down three to one, you lose. That They had bad injury luck, man, Chris Paul will forever had bad luck some way except

this year. Somewhere along life. You know what I'm saying. The only thing that he did us what he did and what he did to that woman, and how do you feel about how do you feel about? Uh? This is are we can we make a prediction that this is Draymond's final year with the Warriors. No, you think he's staying. I think the Warriors organization know how important, They know how important Draymond is. I think he wants to go to the Lakers and play with his best

bud Man. I think he definitely wants to go to the Lakers, just based off the fact Rich Paul and his whole management agency team, and you know, and and Lebron. Him and Lebron are definitely friends. But I would have thought that they'd been to be a best friends after he nailed him in the nuts and cost him the ring. There we go, Yeah, who would have thought? And then they're gonna end up playing together next year. It's gonna be Draymond and Dill and ad know what's weird? Ron?

If the Warriors don't pay Bob Myers, then Draymond leaves. True. If I heard that he might leave, he might go to the Lakers. You know, he might go to the So if I just can't wait for your dynasty to be over, because I have nothing against fans from the Bay who are Warrior supporters. But it's these fucking you guys are like the new Cowboys fans. It's crazy. Dealing with Warriors fans who aren't from the fucking Bay is ridiculous. Like I mean, it's it's it's like it's like it's

like John Cena fans. Are you mad? Of course you're a fucking John Cena fan. That's your fucking convenience. Are you more? Are you mad because there's more Warrior fans at the Sun's game? Do you see that that's ten years old? But I listen, Is that a Joe Smith Jersey buddy? That's Tyron Hill, buddy? Tyron Hill? Okay, well, first of all, Joe Smith was the same number, right most definitely that just lets you know how long ago

that was. Brother. I didn't say you weren't a real No, I'm just saying because I just feel like I have right to talk about this conversation. Regardless of our our dynasty was supposed to be over when we when Steph was hurt and we wants I was excited. I was excited. So you want to see us lose? For sure? Why I fucking hate the Warriors. Man, that's crazy. How did the Phoenix US Poenix Suns fan established this much hatred for the Warriors? You know why? Because my favorite player

is that guy right there, the statue, Lebron James. I love Lebron. Yeah, I listen. The Sons were like the fucking Dan Marley. I love Kevin Johnson. I like Charles Barkley. I love Cedric Sabalis. I love Wayman Tisdale. I'm a Rayman his wow, best jazz player, Like I'm saying, I'm a real best way Tisdale on the Warriors. No, he didn't play for US. He played for the Suns. No, but he wasn't on the Warriors for a little beaten all right. No, so like he was when he was

on the Suns. He put out a jazz album. Yeah he did. He played the bass. Yeah. Uh. I love the Phoenix Suns love you know. I love with you. I love Tom Chambers everything that you got. I can never see myself wanting to see a team just deliberately lose. I don't. That's where you and I are different. I do. I want to see the Warriors. January twenty seventh, and you're an Aquarius. How Can this be I'm an Aquarius. Where are you act like this? I fucking hate the Warriors.

It's crazy over We're going to continue to sports show. Hey man, Thank you all, brother, I appreciate you. Yes, sir real man as always nothing but love Northern California, Southern California. Let's continue to keep being able to create and show the world man that California's hey man, We're one of the most creative places in the world. Let's continue to keep working together artists and keep building in

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