#279 - Earn Your Leisure

in sixth grade and he was in eighth grade. And at the time, there was a member this movie Eddie Woopie Goldberg Go Over with Your Coach. They had extras, and so they took a group of kids from our neighborhood and we went to Madison Square Garden and we were extras in the movie. We actually never even made the final cut, but it was pretty dope experience to be on a movie set. So I was always hanging

around with older kids my whole life. So everybody knew me because I was a different school, but I didn't know him because he was new to the neighborhood. So we were all there, and I was always kind of like introverted, so I just stated to myself. So everybody was talking to me, and he came over and he was just like was talking to me, like he already knew who I was, And I'm like, who is this? Why is he talking to me? Like so that's the first time that we met on this set of a movie.

I was like twelve, he was probably like fourteen, and yeah, we just been friends ever since. You've been rocking ever since? Yeah, yeah, what was like for me because like, well, this is a random curve because you guys were a natty. I do have a random when I watched these basketball movies that get filmed and there's like real NBA players in them, and like people in the crowd. I always wonder if

they go in and they like pause a game. Oh yet and they're like, all right, guys, this is for a movie or do they like do a whole fake game. It's a whole So, like what happened was they took us to the garden and they let us go on the court, and like, if we made a shot, there was people in the crowd they would chair, but it would be cheering for us, and so then obviously they would cut in between live footas of real games, but

the audience reaction would be actually us. That was the first time we actually got paid for anything or any of the Knicks actually there. So what's so funny is that they weren't in the movie, but we were in the garden. So they had a game that day. So we were seeing as we were like wrapping up the shoot, we saw some of the Knicks come in. What's the era here? It's just like Charlie word, like, this is Charlie rich Child Davis. I saw him come off and they will if I get the day correct. They were

playing the Pistons. Wow. So it was like Green Hills coming to the garden and so we know what's so crazy is that I forget this. Hubert Davis walks in right and it's a group of us and we was like little kids, like twelve thirteen years old. So we seen Hubert David like you, weert what's up man, because like can we get your autograph? And he just looked and just kept and kept walking. And he's not the guy I think we might watch. That's why Jordan will

be killing you or something. That's why that's why Menchell isn't making your jersey. But I just it's just crazy because it's like, you know, twenty years later and I still remember that. So it's you gotta be careful how you treat people because you never know, right, And it's like that's something that even now to this day, we try to, you know, accommodate people the best thing that we possibly can, and if we can't accommodate it, we'll we'll try to, like let you know why we can't

do this. Then we got to catch a flight. We got I never forget, like we was little kids and we saw him and he was not interested in stopping at all. As a kid, I had great experiences with some NBA players, but there was two. One of them it's okay because it was Charles Barkley. He was an ass outside of a Cardinals game. But the other guy, George McLeod's bum ass from the Suns. You remember George McLoud like a fake three and D guy before three and D was the thing. Fuck George McLeod, he was.

It's crazy because like you guys obviously now are you know, I feel like when it comes to like financial literacy, like I think of you guys in the same meaning as I think of a guy like Gary Vee or even more educational though obviously, like I feel like you guys are giving out so much information and I've really leveled up the last few years. Is it like you know, you guys probably go out and get recognized, get stopped all the time at this point, right, Yeah, yeah, pretty

pretty pretty often. Man. It's something you get adjusted to. But it's not easy at first, right when you walk around and we're from New York, so we just got the New York state of mind, Like, you know, they looking at me and they realize like, oh wait, they're looking at me because of the things that we've done. But it's cool, man, everything's been rooted in education. I'm

glad that you brought that up. You said, you know, it's more educational because it started in the classroom for us with teaching young kids about financial literacy, then obviously him as a professional doing it for adults, and then realizing, you know, there's really no age limit to this education. We really need to give it to everybody. So it's one of those things that you know, no age limit. Outside of the content game, obviously, you guys are very

successful in creating great content with real substance. What before you guys got into doing this podcast, what was like your guys's main sources of income. I was I was a teacher. So I was a middle school teacher. I taught health and PHYSICID the guy, the pe guy. I was a peg the you know, the number one place that kids love to go. So I had a great man only until I got into the classroom, like, Yo,

what am I doing here? But it helped me. Man helped me with with with structure, it helped me with lesson planning, and it also helped me see what was being taught to kids. And as I saw like my classroom teachers, I'm just like, yo, what are we teaching these kids? Like they're not going to use any of this. And that was kind of the thing that's for me, Like, Yo, there's an opportunity to teach kids things that are going to be acquable in the future, financial literacy being one

of them. And so it kind of became the thing was like, Yo, if I'm gonna get paid for this, I'd rather be a service than a disservice. And so we had an opportunity in the summer to create a program and during the program, we're going to pay the kids based on how they performed that their internships. And you know, it was five hundred dollars, which is a

lot for a fourteen year old. And it was like, Yo, if we don't teach them the value of money and the things you can do with it and how I could be used as a tool, it's going to be the same cycle. And so I was like, Yo, if we give them information now, let's see what they'll be got in the future. And so education, and like I said, has always been the root room for me. And it

cuts through what about you. I was a financial advisa, so you were kind of helping the same type of thing what I was doing now what I am doing now. So yeah, helping people with their finances, investing, insurance, retirement planning. And that's kind of how I had the idea to go on social media because I saw that there was a need for it. I saw the gap. I saw

how little people knew about finances. Even very educated people, doctors, lawyers, they didn't know about the basics when it comes to investing. So it's like, all right, vast majority of people in this world need the information. And social media was and is the I think the best way to reach the masses, and that was the idea was, like, all right, let's really double down on social media and use this as

a platform to you know, spread the message. Yeah. I mean, even me as like a semi successful guy up until maybe like four or five years ago when I really started watching y'all. Shit, Like, I feel like I learned how to like really leverage my credit and leverage credit cards in your favor through you guys, like a lot of shit I was not doing, you know what I mean Like that, I'm like, oh shit, there's like and like I know that there's some states. I think there

was a state that might have been Florida. I don't want to give Rotten DeSantis too much credit, but I think Florida might be introducing financial literacy as a Florida New Jersey. It's like twenty something states now that have mandated financial literacy. Is still not in New York where we're from. It so not in the majority of states, but there are more and more states that's looking to

implement that. Yeah, for you guys, you know, we're kind of in a weird place in terms of the economy because like we just got out of this, like, you know, this thing that didn't make sense and that was COVID And somehow during the pandemic everything shot through the roof The real estate shit was insane, like this isn't real. I kept telling everybody, guys, know, way, this is real. And I bought a house. Yeah, I took advantage of

that interest rate. And I don't plan on selling it for a very long time, so you know, I made that decision kind of knowing that, you know, I might lose some equity, but it'll be all right in the long run. But what do you like, Like the real estate market's kind of crazy right now. A lot of places are finally kind of correcting. Like what did you guys take away from the pandemic because there was a lot of hard assets that shot through the roofs that

are correcting now. Like, did you guys learn anything personally about any because you guys, yeah, we look at you as like, you know, but I feel like there was a lot of wild shit going on from twenty twenty to now, tons of it. Yeah. I think one of the things we stood by was like there's always opportunities and crisis, Like in a crisis and so two thousand and eight deal was a crisis and it was like damn, we didn't have the capital to take advantage of it.

But we were in prime position at this point to say, all right, the market is pulled back. You know, there's an opportunity to invest in things. You said one of the good things was real estate, right, Like interest rates were at two and a quarter, and it was like, wait, this is opportunity to refinance. So this is an opportunity to use a helot these things where we were educated on. So it was like, all right, we're in promposition to

take advantage of it, but not only us. It was like, yo, what if our community understood that they could use it to their advantage. And so during that time, we created you know, our show market Mondays, which is about stock investing, and it took off because people would listening to it and they would getting the information and they were actually applying it. You guess we're doing that like live on Zoom, Yeah,

live every Monday. And it was like wow, people were actually seeing positive returns and it was like, oh, this is incredible. And there's one thing like when you give people information, it's one thing, right, but when you give them information and it puts money in their pocket. It becomes totally different. It's like a totally different relationship. Now, it's like, wait, I have to come back. In fact, when I come back, I got to tell my friends

about it because this is legit. And so we was always rooted in the education of it, but when people started applying it was like, all right, it took it to a different level. Yeah. The helock thing something I just recently learned about too, and break it. What that is, it's obviously is that that's that's a line of credit. Yeah, take against your house, right, Yeah, a home equity line of credit. And it's crazy because people was using that

to their advantages. Was like, like you said, you had equity in your home, you could take it out, you can use it for repairs, you can use it. A lot of people are trying to use it for other investments or you could just can't take it out without touching it, and then it's there if you need it, right exactly. And then what happened when we started getting

educated around it, people started taking advantage of it. Banks started realizing and they were like, all right, well, we're going to stop moor from this product crazy, right, because it was like, oh, this is an opportunity that people could use to their advantage. And so it's one of those things like when you have the education and the timing of situations happened, you got to be prepared for it.

You got to be ready to take action, because again, if you don't, they can pull the plug and say, all right, well it was a great opportunity, but you're going to miss this one. Do you guys feel like this like kind of time that we're getting into with a lot of the you know, real estate kind of correcting. Obviously the interest rates are higher, But do you feel like it's it's it's soon. I mean, it's d u getting to be a not a not a seller's market,

a buyer's market. You would think that that's coming soon. Do you feel like there's going to be some dope opportunities to scoop real estate for a lot cheaper than I mean, obviously than a year and a half ago. You know, shit was crazy. There's always opportunities, it's just a it depends geographically where you're at, right, So the LA market is a lot different from Milwaukee, where like right now you could probably buy a home in Milwaukee

for thirty thousand dollars. Forty thousand dollars, you buy a building for fifty thousand dollars right where you can't even buy a closet for fifty thousand dollars in La. Right, So there's always opportunities. It's just a matter of a knowing where the opportunities are. But b is there going to be a massive correction? I don't think it'll be a massive correction, right, It'll probably be some pullbacks in areas like Miami or you know, certain parts in New York,

like where the real estate went up a lot. Yeah, I saw like Phoenix, Austin, like a lot of those hot markets where things just got really crazy. I feel like they're gonna probably. I mean, it's the number one rule of investing, no matter whether it's doge coin, whether it's Tesla's stock, whether it's Miami real estate, what goes up must come down for sure. That's just like the most basic way to think about anything in life. And when things start to not make sense, eventually it's going

to start to cool off very soon. So like when you hear Miami people paying over five hundred thousand dollars over asking and a quarter million dollars over asking and buying things in cash. Like they just got so so crazy the last couple of years. Yeah, it has to

pull back eventually because it's just not sustainable. That's what happened in Phoenix, Like everybody sold their houses here because shit was at all time high and they didn't care go into a city like Phoenix that they're moving to and the houses are so much cheaper, they're like, oh, i'll pay one hundred over that's still like I'm still getting a mini mansion from where I was just coming from, and I still have pocketing a few hundred thousand dollars.

So yeah, we'll see man on the crypto front, Like, how do y'all feel about crypto now? Because obviously a lot of shit has crashed. I've lost some money, for sure, not as much, but I lost money in twenty seventeen pretty bad because this fucking guy had convinced me to buyo this ripple. Yeah whatever, and you didn't sell it when you had all that money anyway, But how do you guys feel about like kind of like obviously because I kind of look at crypto as like similar to

like the dot com dot com bubble that happened. You know, there was a lot of low hanging fruit scam shit going on. But I do feel like like the technology of blockchain is something that will probably be around and be, you know, a utility for a long time to come. But what do you how do y'all feel about it? I think crypto is here. The idea of blockchain technology is very real, it has very real use cases, and

it's actually being used right now. The functionality and the purpose of crypto still has to kind of be worked out. I feel like it's not something that is really necessary right now. Like they still have to kind of figure out because even if you look at bitcoin, which is the most popular cryptocurrency, most people are looking at that as a store of value. They're not looking at it. The word currency is a little misleading because it's not

being used as currency. It's being hot. They're parking their money. Yeah, it's more of an investment or you're just hoarding it right hoping that it goes up in value. Nobody's going to the store and pulling out their bitcoin card and shopping at time. Yeah, and it's it's in order for currency to be used, it has to be some level of stability, like I can't get my head cut today for twenty dollars and then go back tomorrow and it is fifty dollars, and then the next week is ten dollars.

Like that makes sense, And that's how volatile cryptocurrency is. So right now we're in a winter for crypto. But historically crypto has always had these cycles where it's going up and then it's going down, then it's going up, and it's going down. So if history repeats itself, it will go up again. But I think it's important to to really, you know, if you're going to invest in cryptocurrency,

use coins that have a strong chance of surviving. So ethereum big coin you said, XRP, different things of that nature, where it's like a lot of these meme coins like the doge coin and a bunch of these other coins. It was just like a get rich quick scheme. It wasn't really based around any fundamentals, it wasn't based around any use case. It was just based around all right, let's just pump this coin and everybody had a coin.

My friend who's sitting to the right of me, yeah, he thought it was a great idea to invest in the coin that Willy D from the Ghetto Boys with spearheading Willie D Coin, And I was like, and I was like, I was like, I was like, Willie d D a legend. Yeah, for sure, shout out to us. Yeah, well you lost all your money. Yeah, I think. I mean, you said it best. I think when you compared it

to the dot com it makes it's a good analogy. Yeah, right, But the key is right when the dot com bubble started, you had AOLS and you had excite dot coms, right, but you also had Yahoo and you had Amazon. It's about figuring out which one is going to have the long term sustainability. And as we get further inside the space of cryptocurrency, and they'll be better and more improved. Coins.

Obviously spoke about the two most prevalent ones. But you know Google comes to a two thousand and six or YouTube comes in two thousand and six, right, So there's an evolution that will happen. It'll become more of a use case scenario and it'll be more improved. But it's not going anywhere. Right. We've seen this in twenty twelve. You mentioned twenty seventeen, we felt that pain too. Right, we had money in the space and didn't take it out.

I should have sold them. But it's one of those things if we're looking at it as a short term investment or a long term investment, and so we tend to look at things in the long term. Right, So it's a space that you will be in and we're going to stay in. Right for you, guys, I always hear like people say, like, you want to have a diverse portfolio of investments. Right, there's real estate, there's the

stock market, there's hard assets. Like what would be your guys's advice in terms of like how that should be broken up? Yeah, yeah, you definitely want to diversify. I mean, as far as real estate, at the very least, you should try to own where you live. That's a goal that you can at least try to achieve it. And some people, some people who are like really rich, say

the opposite. They like have investment properties, but they rent where. Yeah. Well, another thing is that for the average person, you can own a multi family home. Right. So it's like, because that idea is that your home isn't really an investment, and if you look at it from that standpoint where it's not actually bringing you cash flow, then that's true.

But if you have a multi family home, and I don't know if there's a lot of multi families in California, but I know there are actually, Yeah, so if you have a multifamily, now that is an investment that is bringing you cash flow and potentially can be you know, you could be making money on that as opposed to just shuffling money out every single month just to pay the mortgage. So that's a good way to even start

just your investment portfolio. Right. Like, as far as for the average person, if you just want to start investing in real estate, get a multi family home as your first investment. Live there. Now you kill two birds, live in one, right and rent out the other two units. Right, So now, like I said, you kill two birds with one stone. Or if you're a business owner, now you can live upstairs and your business could be downstairs, and then you can rent the other place, you know, if

there's another unit as well. So that's important. And investing in the stock market is important as well. Right, you want to have some money that's going into stocks long term, not necessarily like day trading or taking risky bets, but you know, we talk about index funds and ETF stuff like that, and then you know it's important to say for your retirement as well. So if you have a job, a lot of jobs, they offer four to one K plans.

If you're self employed, you can have an IRA. So now you have, you know, three different things working for you. You have your retirement, you have your regular stocks, you have your real estate play right now, you're develop in a portfolio. If you have kids, you might want to do a college savings plan for them or UTMAH, which is allowing you to put money into their investment account. So now you can start to do some other things.

But those like the three three pillars, I think as far as investing, it's concerned for the average person, like real estate, investing in stocks, just regular brokerage, and then retirement account. So like a retirement account, like there's so many different ones, and this is something that I'm still like, I mean, obviously had a four oh one K for a long time. I just rolled into an IRA because

I don't work for anybody anymore. But there's like the roth IRA, right, like like can you guys kind of give me like a breakdown of the differences between those accounts, some pay do some pay dividends or so it depends on how you invest it. So like a IRA is an individual retirement account, and you could put it sixty down I think sixty five. They might have raised it to like sixty five hundred to put this year. But you put money in and it lowers your taxable income.

So if you put five thousand dollars into an IRA, you make one hundred thousand dollars. Now you only pay taxes on ninety five thousand. So the money grows and you can invest the money in a variety of different ways. So you can invest the money in the SMP, you can invest the money in the apple stock. You can invest the money in you know, dividend paying companies and

have the dividends go back into the investment account. So it's really up to you as far as how you choose to invest it or who you're working with invests it for you. But the main benefit is a tax benefit. That's the difference between just investing it just regular and investing it in the IRA is that you get a tax benefit. Then there was a rough IRA, which is a retirement vehicle as well, but you don't get a

tax benefit from it up front. So if you make a hundred thousand, you put five thousand into the row, if you're still taxed on one hundred thousand, But when you take the money out in retirement is tax free. So like when you take money out of a retirement account of four to one k or IRA, you get tax.

You pay state and federal tax. So if you have a million dollars, right, and let's say you take out the whole amount at one time when you're seventy years old, now you know you pay federal tax, but that'll put you in the highest federal tax bracket because it's treated like ordinary income. And then depending on what state, like live in California, is the highest state tax thirteen point Well, you could you could be paying up to like fifty percent of the money in taxes. So if you take

out a million, you might net a five hundred thousand. Crazy. So but if you have a row and you take out a million, you don't pay any taxes, so you get one million dollars. So the difference between a WROTH and a regular IRA is the tax benefits come. One is at the beginning, one is at the end. Correct. Yeah, So if you're like making decent money, you're kind of like fucking up if you're not doing a little bit of both, would that be fair? Especially within his income

limits too. So so it gets a little tricky because then it's like, if you make too much money, then well, if you're if you're if you're self employed, you can you can put money into an ira, no matter how much money you make. But if you have a job and you make too much money, then this income limits debt,

you can't put money into an ira. So now that's why the four one k is beneficial because you could put a lot more money into a four one K as opposed you could put like three times more money into a four and one k then you could put into an ira. Yeah, and then if you're self employed, you can have what's called the sep ira and you can put up like sixty thousand dollars a year into accept ira. What's the tax tax situation with that? It's the same you get do you get the tax benefits

on the front of the on the front on the front. Yeah, it's like a regular ira, but you just put way more money in. So if you have a sep ira, ri r Ira and Let's say I make three hundred thousand dollars and I put fifty in. I'm taxed on fifty. It's a percentage of it's twenty percent of your income the lesser of twenty percent or like sixty thousand dollars. And don't quote me on that, but I think that

that's that's around what it is. So it's like a calculator to see like which one which one is less? Is less? Yeah, but it allows you to put a lot more money. Then it's like, you know, you have the fine benefit plan, you have pension plans. So these are all ways that you know. And this is why education is important, right, because it's like the average person is not. They don't care about this or anything, right,

It's like who cares? But if you're saving three hundred thousand dollars a year or you're saving one hundred thousand dollars a year, you start to care, right, you know, you start to care. It's like, damn, that's a lot of money. It's like this this equals and millions and millions of dollars. And now you see why the rich get richer, right, because they're implementing these strategies at a

very high level. So now they're figuring out how to save millions of dollars, how to pay no taxes, how to have real estate, and how to actually get money back from the government because of you know, different incentives and you're talking about opportunity zones and different things of

that nature. Like there's so many things that's put in place for the educated and the wealthy to take advantage of, and then the middle class and then the poor are just uneducated and they're not financially in a position to

do anything, so they never really even think about it. Yeah, so's it's almost like if you're self employed, right and you're doing like let's say you're own a business or a laundry mat or whatever you're doing, right, there's so like we always hear how like Donald Trump don't pay taxes or Google doesn't pay taxes, and there's so many things you can do instead of writing a check to the irs. That's the goal, right, you know, I just did this like historically my whole life, Like no, I drive,

like shit, I'm a terrible driver. I hate car payments. You could ask this guy. I've been kind of like paid off Toyota my whole life and then I crash and I get another paid off car. But like, I had like a fucking crazy tax bill last year, and my CPA was like, and this was like end in November, and she was like, hey, go find a fucking one hundred thousand dollars car. So I went and buy a car. And I don't feel as bad about it now, you know, because I was gonna either pay the irs or drive

a car. You know. Yeah the truck car. It was a truck six pounds there we go, yeah, yeah, I mean, but this is the education around. We hear these things and it's like, like you just said, you spoke about the the royal ira for one came even like he said, opportunity zones. We just hear these terms and that's kind of like, uh, we never know what that means, right, And then you have to do the education behind and it's like, oh, right, well, opportunity zones, how do we

get that? Well, you have to have capital gains? Well, how many of us have capital gains that are over a million dollars? Right? And then you realize what we can't even participate. There's first education, But then you realize, wait, there's a business structure that we're not even a part of yet to even be considered to be in this. So the education part is the most important. You said,

what are the things we should invest in? Started investing in your education first, right, and then start building those things that we were just talking about. Me And thanks to you guys. Like I mean, I know you guys monetize, like what you do. Like I'm sure you guys have courses and ship, but like you guys are giving away all the game for free. That's why I love Russ.

Russ is a rapper who you know. I love Russ because Russ is like he's people don't like him, but he's really giving y'all the fucking crash course of free game, like selfless free game and Russell, you know what I mean, Like these guys like and you guys have the rustle on, but like these guys are like just giving away game and you guys are giving away game, you know what

I mean. I think it's dope because I see some guys. Man, there was this one dude, ty Lopez's, Oh my god's right, just the cringiest dude on the internet man, And like he would be doing these videos that pop up on my fucking ship would be like in front of his Lamborghini do you want this sign up? And like it's just dope that. I mean, you and you guys aren't aren't the same, you guys are. I look at you as an educational platform. I look at guys like that

or Gary Vee is like motivational. You know, what do you guys think of I saw you guys speak on this a little. I didn't watch your guys' video on it, but the Grand cardoone situation. Obviously, Grant's successful. His book is cool. But then once I started to kind of see him on YouTube, I was like, oh, this guy's kind of a cocksucker Loki respectfully, like very success guy. You know, I get it, his book is cool. If like if I if I read his book and didn't

hear how he talked, you know what I mean? Or like, you know, I'm like, oh, this guy's like, you know, he's kind of a douche back, but you know, successful. But there's a lot being made of some of the older clips of him talking about how he talks to the urban community. When you guys see a guy like that as somebody who's in that community, who's helping educate that community from a genuine place? You know, how do you guys feel about that? And I'm sure you guys

already talked about it because I saw you. I feel like it's a marketing strategy, right, So it's like my whole thing is, like, you don't have to be black to be part of hip hop culture. Like you could be Asian, you could be white, you could be Latino like you know, but if you're not a part of hip hop culture, I don't understand the fascination with trying to go over and above to try to identify with something that you really didn't grow up and you're not

really passionate about. Like I don't think he's listening to Rick Ross's mixtapes, Like why are you hanging around Ross? Like when we do it, like it's from a genuine place, like before we did this, like we would debate rap for hours, like we would debate basketball for hours, Like this is just who we are, Like we can't appropriate

our culture. We are the culture, you know what I'm saying. So, but I feel like him and a variety of other people they use hip hop culture as a way to gain notoriety, credibility in the space because everybody knows, like you know, once hip hop stamp shoot like that means a lot, right, And it's like some things are worth more than money. So we don't have the economic power, but we have the cultural capital. And the cultural capital

is extremely important and it's extremely valuable. So they see that from a business standpoint, they're like, all right, well, these rappers, they've been lit for years and they move. Look what we did to fashion, for instance, right, So it's like from Tommy, he'll figure it out. From Tommy, he'll figure it to Balinciaga, to Gucci, Tonike, to anything anything, any any fashion that's lit. It has to be standing

by the earth. And that's the thing. So let's take a high end fact because we spoke with that, but dance he was saying, like Gucci, like hip hop culture probably makes up like five percent of the total pie that makes Gucci. Right, that's a valid point, but it makes up probably ninety five percent of the influence of why of why other people are buying it, right, because it's become so popular. So it's just like Crystal Christal hip hop problem exactly. So even if hip hop wasn't

the number one source of revenue. It became the number one source of influence, which made other people want to buy it because it became so popular. So I think people in business have adopted that same strategy where it's like, all right, even if these aren't my number one consumers, I'm not going to make a tremendous amount of money with this community. I can gain a lot of notoriety from this community, which would help me make money with

other communities. So I think that, you know, he's one of these people that have adapted adopted that strategy, and you know it's it's it's a business ploy so it's it's up to us to see how we feel about it, if we accept it or not. But I just feel like it's not from a genuine place when you do

things like that. And like I said, it's not to say that you can't hang out with rappers, it's not to say you can't, you know, go to an NBA game, But if you if your goal is to embrace culture, then you looking at it like music is the only part of the culture that's kind offensive because it's like, all right, like you're saying, the only thing that we bring to the table is entertainment. So if you really are truly passionate about embracing our culture, then embrace all

aspects of the culture. Music is a part of it, but so is social justice. So it's economics, right, so is science. So it's a variety of other things. And I never see these people hanging out with political activists. I never seen them hanging out with you know, leaders in business. I never see them hanging out with the young tech entrepreneur that's that's in HBCU trying to get a startup company done. I only see them hanging out with rapids. So it becomes questionable as far as their motivation.

It goes to the part when he's saying like it's awareness, right, Like our job is like, all right, let's make the people aware of what's happening. If they're not, but they choose to do with it, it's going to be on them, right. There's still people that are going to that champion. But it was not surprising. We seen, like you said, we've seen us play plenty of times. But the problem was for so long we couldn't quantify it. How do we

quantify the influence? Right? We can say that this is the customer base because we can see a sales, but how do you quantify justify the level of influence like we know it? But from the business standpoint, it's like, well, the numbers don't match that until you get a situation like Kanye and Adita, right, and then you see cultural capital, cultural influence removed both and let's see what happens to the business. And that's what that happened. They're going through

right now. It's like, well, we just lost two billion dollars. Yeah, let's bring it back to the table because we need to sell this right, Can we come back? Can we can we renegotiate how we're gonna again be cool or a pair cool to the community that we know got us to this level and have you say it's okay to sell these things again? If not, what are we going to do with this merchandise? How are we going to move it? What's going to happen to our brand?

What's going to happen to the people that are existing on our brand? If that guy says like, we're not rocking with you, and his core audience says we're not rocking with you anymore, which is our culture? Yeah, I think Kanye is probably single handedly like the most influential. I mean, I mean shit, I can't think anybody is more influential in terms of culture and fashion. And like you know, he's obviously said some things that are questionable read true, but man, no, I mean he's the guy

right as your Sh'S it's up. But he sets the standard now, right, Like Yo, there's the cultural capital, there's a cultural influence together. And look what happens now we can quantify it now that there's measurables to say, like that happened because this was removed, and like it's crazy because like when Yeezy first came out, everyone was like, man, these are hobo clothes and the earth Tones and everybody's everybody's wearing the ship. Let's talk about hip hop, guys.

I don't want to, I don't. I mean, give me each one of your guys's top five favorite albums. Favorite albums, not mcs because that's hip hop rap rap rap. For me, my favorite album of all time, it was written Okay but No Affirmative Action is one of my favorite songs ever. It was written that changed my life, so it was written I would go with that another album that changed my life. Is the infamous by Ma Yes Yo Big. I remember I met Big Noid in Tampa. I was

just like, bro give that's a classic verse. Oh my god. Sometimes I wish I had three different faces. Shout out Tonoid man, rest in peace to Prodigy. For sure, I would speed it up to a little current times. Victory Lap is definitely a favorite of mine. Yeah, I think a very classic album and as aged gracefully gets better. Yeah, agree, it's up there. I probably would go Life After Death, Biggie, that's up there for me. And then another album that changed my life was Volume two from jay Z. That's

probably my favorite jay Z album. That's an interesting favorite jay Z album choice, Yeah, because for me, it's moments in time, right. So it's like everybody's gonna say Illmatic is the favorite NAS album, but Illmatic I appreciated Ellmatic. I was ten years old, but when it was written came out, I was twelve years old. You don't really see that much. It's a big difference between being ten

and twelve, for sure. So when I was twelve and it was like I was coming into becoming a man and I can understand it and now it's real shit, like you know, what I'm saying like coming to your man. You know you're going to I'm going to puberty, You're becoming a young adult. So it's like everything that he was just saying, it was just hitting me different short and it was like, so the same thing with Volume two.

Like I was in middle school when that came out, and I never forget, like everybody was playing that album, man, and that was like the album that changed five million records' so five million records and it was like every song on that album is just dope and the delivery and everything. So it's like that was a moment in time and that was the transition for jay Z because we had New jay Z's for a long time as far as his music was concerning. Now that is the album that

sparked the Hard Knock Life tour. Yeah, that was that was everything. He was never the same after the album he was. He became hole, he became whole album. So that's my top five hip hop album. About top five, I'll change it because we got some of the similar ones. Ellmatic is my favorite album of any genre of all time. I'm there with you that dog style for me, But so like in the in the studio. We got the albums like looking at us, that doggy Style is definitely

on the only built a Links is in there. Life after Death is definitely I think that the greatest double CD ever made. Sure better than Ready to Die to a lot a lot better Ready to Die, he said the mob Deep Joint. So I'll go I'll go with one of my favorite guys of all time. I'll say The Carter Too is one of my favorite albums all the time. Wayne, Wayne is my guy. I'm a die hard Wayne guy. And then man, there's there's a couple

that are super important. If I have to, if I have to, It's It's It's Jay, but it's too I'm gonna go to for J. I think Blueprint for J and four for four. It's one of my favorite albums just because of the growth right like we had. We saw some of our rappers not make it to adulthood, to fatherhood, to fully mature. So to watch him from reasonable doubt to get to volume one, volume two obviously Blueprint and then to grow and have transgressions and have

life experience and to express that. Plus the financial literacy piece inside tons of tons of gems like kind of the first like successful, like grown up, yeah, like grown man, Like now is that life is good? And I was like, oh, that's growth, that's fatherhood. We're experiencing these things at the same time, and like now he's talking about financial literacy and four for four and he's talking about marriage and he's talking about like real grown man ship and legacy

and we're going through those things in real life. And I'm like, yo, this is probably one of my favorite pieces of work that he's ever done. So those are my five. And if we had to count Lawrence Hill's Miseducation and his hip Hop, we thought that in it. Yeah, I mean, yo, yeah, you guys, I would uh Volume two four for four of those, I mean you know. I would say about jay Z is like there's a couple of jay Z albums that I just did not like.

Magna Car The Holy Girl was one that just kind of he tried to advance us in the art world on that one. We wasn't ready. We got a fucking Sam song for Nicholas and Dimes. I still we forgive

them for that one. And the album that people dislike that I love is Blueprint too, because the double or the Point one is the better one because they kind of took all the best songs and they but that Meet the Parents is so mad, even like the Blueprint two record, That Blueprint or that just Play is produced with like the with the flutes and Ship, Oh yeah, that ship is crazy. He was. It was like the

last time he took shots at nas. Yeah, because coofie don't mean it be right, yes, because you don't understand

that it don't mean it to to be nice. It's been dope to see you guys interviewing artists now, and I think you guys are interviewing artists from like away, Like I love the perspective when you guys talk to someone like the Russell Rick Ross, like for you guys like kind of going from being like a I mean, you guys are still independent, but you guys obviously have blown up and you guys are doing dope ship now with Revolt and doing all you guys are doing a lot

of cool shit. Like how cool is it to be able to interview a guy like Rick Ross and have conversations with these guys that you guys dope. It's a real moment, Like you know, as far as fans before anything, sure, listening to music growing up and arguing, having debates, having fights about music like you know I have. I used to have almost physical fist fights about Nas and jay Z And during that time, I fucking was team Nas so hard. I just refused to listen to jay Z

for about a year. So it's like them. So now that have Dan Dashed on speed Own, it's crazy, like you know what I'm saying, Like it's it's not even a surreal moment, and it's just like Rick Ross, like being in his house and chopping it up with him, like no saying, like having conversations with I t. I was one of my favorite rappers of all time. Talking to TI, I like trap music, Urban Legend or King?

Where are you at all of them? Okay, all you gotta pick one trap music to me because that said the vibe he changed and he's got that doing my job on there. But that a y I think that was a Kanye It was it. I feel like from a musical standpoint, he got into his bag with Urban Legend and the King album. Urban Legend is probably my favorite album. But trap music, I mean he created trap music. He said it. He's the first person to say trap music. So like that alone is Hall of Fame status, but

she would just leave this boozy thing alone. I saw a video last night and him at his restaurant on the mic holding up the paperwork, and it was like, you know what, somebody somebody talking to us the other day. I think it was Big Boy. It was like, you live long enough to for people to hate you. They start to see flaws in you. They start to say, oh, yeah, yeah, your music is wag and it's it's unfortunate, right, because it's like the longer you live, the more opportunities you

have to fuck up to be discredited. Yeah, because you're under the If you're as famous as Tie, you're famous. Tips I guy man, he's a he's a close friend of the show. I think one of the funny things he said is like, I don't I don't like somebody that get fly and then get shy, like yo, those don't talk crazy and then not show up when they invited to prove or to try to discribe me and not you know, come to see what it's actually true.

I just think like certain ship should be like the Tip Tips I guy, you know TI, I think is like he's t I don't even acknowledge the ship, like just keep it moving your tip, bro, like you're one of the ghosts. It's crazy, man, I mean that's what

I'm saying. Like we hip hop babies, like I always like I'm literally like a hip hop baby born in South Bronx, grew up listening to rock Can and kar Rest up until this point now where it's like obviously you heard the list of people that we named it our albums, Like getting to meet Nas and him telling us that he listens to what we're doing, Like like think about the nostalgia that that It's just like one of these moments in might be like ya, this is real.

Like this guy we listen to growing up and helped shape and mold some of the things and how we saw life is now listening to us for what we do in education and the financial space. It's like pretty crazy. Like even like the way we look at Jay and being able to be at the Rock Nation brunch, it like right, like this is real life. That's the kind

of shit you see on Instagram every year. It's like, yeah, you see it and now you're there and like you know, we looked up like we watched these guys like we watched Puff and now to know Puff and sit with him and him tell us how important the work we're doing. It's like it's not something you can write in a script. It's just like kind of surreal because we're living these moments.

But we have a reverence for these people, you know what I'm saying, Like, like you said, Tip is this guy and like like we we allgue you all the time. He's like, yo, I used to say, yo, Wayne's the best rapp alive and he's like, no, Tips the best too from the South. I'm like nah, and now the note Tip and like he's like, yo, you know this guy thought Wayne was better than you, like at the time I did. Hey, we got to interrupt the interview. Man, Hey, shout out to my booky. Man, make sure you go

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So we're on comments score Bus and I'm like, hey, you have his third favorite album of all time and he's like third, what are the other two? I'm like, dude, he loves Resurrection, but he thinks a Quemini is much better. Ceminize. That's another class I got right there. I got it. This is on my wall too, Yeah, I got that man love. Hey, who's the goat from the Bronx. I'm gonna listen. If I'm forgetting it, it's gotta be Caress fat Joor pun Right, I'll say this is fat Joe

because of the longer big pun. Kress is the pioneer and he's he's always gonna be the godfather, right, Big Pun was the lyrical assassin. I mean, Big Pun is the best rapper. He's a he just didn't have to have a long enough Fat Joe. Fat Joe is one of the most underrated people in hip hop history because all the time. He came out in ninety two and he's still relevant. He's more relevant now he's ever was, not even just from rapping, just from a personality standpoint.

He just loved like he's like he's like kind of like the East Coast Snoop kind of yeah, you know, just love you see him. You know, he's like thirty years in the game, and he's just as relevant now as he ever was. And he has a lot of hit records, and he's a beast of a rap Like he's an m C s MC you can rap. I gets fucking verse on like Big L's album, Like man is one of those guys one krs. Yeah, it's gotta be Fat Joe for a while, Like even to middle school.

If people ask me who the best rapper was, I would tell you Krus. But like you said, it's a longevity, yeah, and those guys, it's it's unfortunate because they're not The thing is, like like the Pioneers, they're not that much older than some of the guys we hold in deep reference. Like you said, came out in ninety. Gangster is a O. G J and jay Z are not far in h right. There might be a three year age difference, but we look at them very differently when we talk about their

hip hop. Cardi B's up there because she's probably idn't think she's the most she's the most commercially successful artist to ever come out of the French. French TiO I think French. You gotta put French as far as like as we're talking about commercial success and singles and music that's dominated. You got a Dimon record, Now Cardi has two Dimon record. Cardi is way more musically said, we got put them in a conversation for the Bronx, that's yeah.

If we're talking lyrics and if you're putting the five together, Remy got to be in there. If we're talking just lyrics, but you gotta you got to mention your friends. As far as commercial success, that's the best album though it's Capital Punishment or from the Bronx Invasion of Privacy. You know, that's a great album. That Cardi b album is great. I can't even front that she was good and I'm a guy that was great Historically, Like I don't relate to a lot of women's like music get up, but

that Cardio album is crazy. She delivered. Definitely. She's a historical figure when it comes to hip hop already. She's done so much with and it's like she only has one album. I mean, she has a mixtape ship. But like if we're thinking, like since like the world is known Cardi Invasion of Privacy and a bunch of bunch of hits she's held. She's held a wave for like eight years now, Like she's held the throng and she's like he held it for a long time. Shout out

to Nikki another New Yorker. I'm just saying, I don't know. It could be longer than that. I don't know, but that was It's like twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen, late twenty seventeen. She wanted to Grammy into twenty nineteen, So what six years? Okay, six years, so she's she's been a number one female artist for six years. Nicki Minaj had it for a long time and then Carti took it. Yeah, I think the difference between like I think Cardi is like probably

the most in my opinion, like likable personality. Like people just related her. She's very hilarious, Like she got to McDonald's meal right now. Yeah, Like I booked an offset at my club for super Bowl weekend and I went to the Airbnb to drop off his money and like he's playing me his album and shit, she just came out of the bedroom. She was. She's just like the nicest girl. Yeah, I mean super like super personable, you know what I mean she has. Yeah, her personality is infectious.

Like we saw that personality you don't love and hip hop until obviously we both fail. It should matters too, because you thinking about Fat Joe. If tomorrow it came out that Fat Joe was hosting Good Morning America, we'd be like that's crazy, but we'd also be like, I see it. Yeah, yeah, he's great, he can do it all. Yeah, and we know him personally, so we just we actually just had a two hour with de Bait with him

at in Utah the All Star. We ran into him in fab It was random at this restaurant and We had a two hour debate with Joe about music, and yeah, he's a very he's a very he's a very opinion. What was what was his wife? Because I've forgotten into arguments with fat Joe about wrapped what what was the opinion he was he was standing on. I don't want to say too much. You know, you know what Joe is. He has a great memory. But some things fifty list with that, and then he wasn't about that. Was he

on the top fifty? He was not in the list. That's agreed. He wasn't arguing about himself, which he said he should have been on it. But some of the people on the list I will make I will let them remain nameless. But he was confused about some of the people on the list. I was confused by some of the people I was confused about. I'm confused by a lot of the people on the list. And he never was saying like I should be on it. He

was just confused by some people were on it. He should have been on it, but he definitely should be on it. And obviously what we just said, and we had a spirited debate about the longevity of people's careers and what makes the legendary and so like again like he's one of those guys and you just had thirty years Like some of these people that have made the list maybe had two songs and we can't remember a

memorable verse or song. And so it's interesting. Man, the people that make these lists, we don't know who they are. My question stone exactly, and it was billboard and put together and that's what it was. Yeah, we don't know who did it. But my thing was like, yo, let's why don't we create something. Well, we have people who we agree are valid enough and qualified enough to make an opinion on this. Let's like get ten people in a room and make a list that makes sense. I

saw it, what I saw. What I saw. Rick Ross was number fifty. That's why the list. It's funny because I did a list. Remember a few years ago, somebody put out their list of favorite like top rappers and went viral. I forget who did it. So I did my own list and I had Rick Ross of ten, which people were like, you're fucking crazy, he's at least top twenty. I'm my gosh, he's got a classic. He's got a classic. Which one are you saying this classic.

I think Teflon Donn is the one everyone should agree on. But I think deeper than rape, like deeper than one to me, and it's a classic. To me, it's a classic. I always tell everybody like there's like classics to us, and then there's like consensus classics change the game though, that's when he want to get fifty and that's when he became a mainstream superstar artist. But I think there's

like two classifications of classics. I think there's like the consensus classics that like nobody wants to disagree with cult, the cult class doggy style, Get Richard Died, Trying, Good Kid, Mad City, Like there's no like if anybody who knows hip hop can't say ship if you say my Beautiful dartwss if fans in classic, right, But then I think there's like there's there are other kind of like That's why I always say Drake has classic albums? To me? Which one I like Take Care? And I like Nothing

was the same. Yeah, I think Drake's I think Drake's best album. I don't even know if it is an album. If you're reading this, it is too late, Yes, like nothing as the best. Nothing was the same as money if if you're reading this, it's too late. Every song one there, like it's just tainted to me because I heard the Quentin Miller references. I'm not even I'm rocking

with that. I'm just doesn't in the back end of that album through the six kind of wo like that was that was the one, nothing that the one to me. But but I always say that Drake is an artist who is yet to have a consensus classic. He doesn't have a classic like and that he doesn't have Illmatic, he doesn't have an Ilmatic, he doesn't have an a Quemini. He doesn't have one of those. Now there's an argument to be made to take care could be one of those,

but it's still an argument. There's an argument. That's where I'm at with like, motherfuckers will swear that bro I was just Freddie Gibbs with this guy. I argued with Drake for about an hour and a half about this in person for time I met him, because I'm pretty harsh on Drake, but not like as a dick, because I'm a fan. This motherfucker was like, oh, I know exactly who you are, and I was like, hey man, because I'm with my guys. I gotta keep the same energy.

I was like, you know, I just went viral recently because I said you didn't have a classic albabal So and He's like, well, you know, someone like you would never understand. So we were arguing first. It was at least an hour. We're sitting at the bar at Harriet's and Westie and I'm just explaining to him why I don't like, I'm like, no, you have a classic. I think nothing was the same as a classic. Why do you say somebody like you wouldn't understand because I'm not

from Toronto. So he's like pretty much looking at me like I'm some fucking old head, fucking back dude, And I'm like, no, I love your ship, but you gotta be a little more vulnerable, Like I don't know Drake's like stance on social issues, like you know what I mean. I wonder what he thinks his classics are. Drake doesn't From that conversation, Drake, did you get a sense of like what it went? From that? And then we ended up and here was me fifty thousand dollars because we

bet we had an art. Then well we went into it. We went into this this huge basketball argument. It was great, It was great. It was like we walked away that night and it was one of those night roiss like, Yo, tonight really happened. Like I argue with Drake for almost two hours at a bar with Freddie Gibbs about wrapping NBA and he bet me that year that my Phoenix

Suns would not go further than the Warriors. And that was the year we went to the finals and lost to the Bucks fifty grand Oh, that's not that long did you have for I haven't seen him. Oh, I definitely hit him on the did he read it? Of course not if you're reading this. We left. But I also think that albums aren't looked at the same like when we was growing up. Albums meant to lie right your album cover, that everything the inside of the writing,

like people used to tell stories. I think good kid Man City. I would say Victory Left too. That's like the last album where it really like because if you listen to Victory, Lap and Game actually did this on the album too, but the songs bleed into each other, so the beats actually end up so like when you hear like real big, real big, and then it's like the other song, well the song after that with se

Long the basis, they bleed into each other. So it's like you who did a really good driver that recently? Just like note metro Booman's album, it's I hears, it's crazy, it's incredible. I think the forties master that that that just the transition from songs and even inside the same song into what I'm saying, I think I think the last classic of this time, like for this era, I think My Turn. I think Little Babies is the last classic album. I think time will tell. Yeah, but that's era.

But I feel like Little Babies Essentials is the best Essentials on Apple Music. But that's a different conversation. Randomly, let me just throw this out. But what I'm saying is that now it's become more about singles, and it's not really about a body of work. It's about even if you have fifteen songs, it's like, let's make fifteen records. They don't really have. They're not cohesive, like Good Kid, Mad City is telling the story right, It's not about

making a cohesive body of work. It's just about making songs that sound good. Some people we can't not Kendrick then because that's what he just did. I just said, Kendrick, he's the last one. But I'm not. You said good Kid City. But classic, I don't think that album that he put out, I don't think it's being known as a classic. Butterfly. I mean, I think that's a classic to me, me too, but it's a very cult class all the Rising album. I love that album, me too

and an Aged So Good Love. I think Drakes have to just sit down and just say, Okay, this is a legacy player. Think but I think so Drake. Drake has the ability to a legacy play where he just sits down and says, you know what, I'm just going to just make an album that he just said that he said he might be giving it up. I mean, he just did a fucking em album, so he could do whatever he wants to say. But he could he could make a concept album. He could put his head down,

get what the alchemist just blaze? But does he want to That's why he just did that. I don't know if y'all saw the whole Little Yachty interview, but he was kind of saying like he's this is the tail end of he might just be the passion for it is not the same. He's a race commented himself as as the greatest of all time. Right, so it's like if you question one, I saw the question mark face the greatest successful rapper. Well when you say that's the

biggest hit maker. So here's the thing about the greatest of all time, right, it's like a three headed monster like it is. You've heard some reference tracks that kind of but it kind of just kind of just made me look at that a little, that conversation a little, since when when's the last time you heard the reference truck the Quentin Miller thing. Say, so, I undertand I understand. I've been in studios of rappers. I get it, motherfuckers get help with lines. But that was the whole song.

That's a fact. But listen, go ahead, go ahead, the greatest of all time. We didn't know that jay Z took ninety nine problems from iced T. I didn't know that. I didn't know that verse was from Bumbe. I didn't know that. I never heard the song before I knew the Biggie reference is because we heard the music. But a lot of people, if you're from Memphis, Tennessee, you might not even knew that, bring them out, bring them out. It's hard to yell when the bad rails in your mouth.

You might not have known that that's actually Biggie Small. That's not that I knew it, but like, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, is that a reference track? No, No, it's not track I sage. But how you don't know it? Like I hadn't know. I just found out two days ago that ninety nine Problems was from ic T. I just found out a week ago that that verse was from that, not the verse the strong, not a whole having a pussy but the pussy. Have no goddamn sense

trying to put that's a reference. That's a bar. Did you know that? I didn't know it. It's a bar bar for saying Drake is the goat. I get it. His numbers are on the board's but there's only a few goats. Yeah, there's only many. How many are there? Drake, Kanye, jay Z, Nas, Tupac, Biggie Smalls, Kendrick Lamar. I think it's too little, Wayne. I can't I can't give I can't say its early. Yes, okay, so Biggie had two albums. Once again, you live long. Wait wait, wait, wait, I'm

not going with it. Big Big Biggie is a goat off of two albums. Two albums. You can say three because of the double album. Okay, Kendrick, it has to be a goat off of his body of work already, because there's an argument Kendrick's going, then he has to be going that. The the argument of it is too early in his career. He dropped, he passed away. God,

I forbid, he passed away. He has classics people ten years. Yes, it's not like he's not selling out shows every time he does, and it's not like he's putting out putting out bodies of war quality music. He's going. But I also look at it like Kendrick to me is like Eminem. Oh no, well, by the way, Eminem's you got to give it. But Eminem has never sniffed an album as

good as Kendrick's best two albums, three albums. I'm just saying as far as like cultural influence, right, I listened to Good Kid, Mass City, I listened to Butterfly, but like I hang around like some younger kids and the cultural and we spoke about this with different people. Kendrick the cultural influence is not there, maybe not in New Year. I think in L A is no. I don't know.

I know people from L. I don't disagree with you, and that's that's no. No, I don't disagree with you in terms of like Kendrick might not have the cultural influence that Future has or Drake has. Future is another one. He's he's a goot, He's a goat, futures ago, he's God. Listen, my top ten can be legends. He's gold He's just golden, just golded bro futures like top five most influential rapper.

I'm just saying, is he he's golding. But I'm just saying, like like when I say, like you, I think he's I think I think he's the greatest club artist of all time. I think he has I think he has a classic. I think Dirty S Probably Too is a classic album. He's got classic. I think that his longevity is still he's still going. But I do think that like Eminem never, I never in life ever listened to Eminem's music. You never listened to the Eminem Show? I did?

I think that's I never listened to a lot of Commons is great Man's and then that mixtape era where he was on All the Greenland. I think it was Conway or somebody said, like, we don't look like there's no disrespect. Listen. I've been in the car with Conway

and Denver, Colorado. He was in the car and he was playing the most random Eminem album cuts and I filmed it because I was like, he went back to the Marshall Man like, check out my guy actually listening to Eminem, Like listen, I'm just saying, as far as I think Jones said this right growing up, growing up, like the people that I was around, right, never in life ever played Eminem's music. So I think that like influence culturally is because Eminem definitely undeniably had cultural influence,

maybe not in what he didn't have. He didn't have no influence, no, no, no no culture. No no, I'm not saying he I'm not saying. I mean he influenced pop culture and American pop culture, American American. He influenced American culture. He did not like nobody was like dressing like this guy and the Jordan's sweatsuits. Let me put those on. Nobody was doing that. But he opened up, He opened the door for due audience. He also gave us fifty cents.

He didn't give us. He didn't give us. We had New York, we have you had the mixtapes, and he played a part. And if he would have had his second wave after the Colombia deal, but he played a part. Major went, but I got the XXL behind you listen, listen. But Weanster came out fifty cent. Was in a bidding war bro like Wanster was already done. They mastered the Rescue, but Wanster was done by who produced that record. It wasn't it wasn't it wasn't no, it was what we

call it. His first person that he was working with from New York was shot Money Yo Wangster. By the Tom Winster came out fifty cent and he was listening. He was gonna be whoever listen. The differences is in the club. The club is what changed mainstream mainstream. So I'm saying fifty would have been like hen It could have been like dip Set and Cameron. We don't know. And I'm not saying dips. I'm not trying to discount dip Set and love those guys. I'm a huge fucking

dip Set guy. But I think we can all agree, like commercially like he was never like a superstar. No, they didn't, but they had more cultural they had then g Unit they did. They had way more cultural influence. Disagree, but I'm saying fifty we don't know what his ceiling would have been without a doctor j Eminem co signs and get Richard I trying. That's got Eminem and Dre's fingerprints all over it. But a lot of those records already there, but a lot of those wrecks. I mean,

the biggest records were already there. Twenty one questions already there, many men was already there. Langston was already there in the club, Yes, in the club, wasn't he produced by Dre? Patiently waiting. I don't think that's one of his better records. Heat, but heats crazy with the with the with the that he's the one with the gunshot okay, and the beat. I mean they played a major part in making him

a mainstream artist for sure. I just think that like Eminem might not like as an artist, he doesn't have the cultural influence as a dipsy. But this is exactly so. This this is an interesting and like I said, no disrespect because those guys, every single person that we just named is allegend. Eminem's alegend. But what I'm saying is that mainstream success and cultural influence are two different things. Correct, Eminem had tremendous mainstream success, he didn't have any cultural influence.

There's no disrespect. I've never seen anybody say that they wanted like Dipset didn't have mainstream success. They had tremendous, but they had tremendous cultural influence. Their cultural influence way out surpassed the amount of records that they sold. I agree, like you know what I'm saying. So there's certain people that have strong cultural influence and are not successful as far as selling a bunch of records, and there's some people that sell a bunch of records and don't have

cultural I just think Eminem's cultural influence is different. So then where's Drake Drake? Because what's the cultural in the urban community. I'm gonna tell you. Because every club in America that you go to they play and Drake. Every radio station they playing Drake. Drake has that sounds like so me and my boy Glasses Malone because g Malone says this about Drake. Drake, what what's the what's Drake's culture that he's bringing to the table. Listen, listen, he's

bringing Toronto, Canada. Let me let me plain something to you. I went to Toronto, Canada fifteen years ago. Before before Drake, nobody even knew who Drake was. It used to be ten dollars to get into a club. They had no sense of like how we was doing things as far as bottle service and none of that was none of that. You go to it, you go up there and just because you was an American, you get treated like, oh, your royalty. I came back after Drake, everything was changed.

It was one hundred dollars to tell me the cultural influence here that he has because I've never seen somebody try to dress like Drake. No, he has no influence when it comes to fashion. But what does he have an influence on music? He changed? No, no, no no, no, I'm saying as far as Drake's influence is his like to me asaf Rocky has like cultural influence right that like we can like on a certain on a certain level. That's That's what I'm saying that Drake don't have that.

Because I said that that's the same thing with with Asap. Is the same thing with a guy like Tyler the creator who's had ones culturally and now also and the rush's coming around, and now he's had the mainstream success where it's like the cut his whole crew. Here's what I'm saying. Right, you could go to the Highlight Row and you're gonna hear Drake. You could go to Dykeman basketball tournament in New York. You're gonna hear Drake. You're

not gonna hear Eminem and Dykeman You're not. But but you're gonna hear You're gonna hear T Pain and everywhere T Pains. He has influenced, he had, he had influence on music mainstream. How about this? How about this? How about this? You could go to like thirty different types of places in America. Right now, I'm not saying Dykeman, I'm not saying the Bronx. I'm saying, depending on where you go in let's say twenty twelve, you might hear

Flow Rider in like twelve spots. Right, that's gonna happen. But influence is not just all right, we gotta we gotta break down with this influen. It's really me. Part of influence is fashion, Like, so you got to people rap like Drake, yes, or does he Drake sounded like Drake he implemented. He influenced a lot of you. But do you think the same time is kind of He's

really good at sampling culture. Absolutely, Like one album movie like I like the British Ship, Let me in and put gigs on my ship, and then the other album, I'm going to do a house album. We gotta give him credit for that because I love the fact that he's he's he's turning up those but he has and he's bringing new eyes to that. It's the same thing, like he has the air for it. He's bringing. It's like, Yo, I like that sound. Let me incorporate that sound number

one because I like it. But number two, let me highlight the people that are doing it, and it brings more attention to that sound. It's like, and I had this conversation before it was like, yo, did we know who whiz Kid was before he did a song with him? I don't disagree. I think Drake and now like you look at Whiskey and it's like, Yo, this guy is just the biggest artists. Let's get back to this influence conversation. There's different types of influence. So you got influence of fashion.

So Kanye West is probably the biggest influence when it comes to fashion. He's influenced culture when it comes to music. No, I'm just saying just fashion. Dipset influenced fashion, right, So there's different people that have played major parts of influence. Jay Z at one point influenced fashion. NAS influenced fashion early yeah, asat Rocky influenced fashion to a certain What was NAS's influence on fashion that Ray Kwan wasn't already? They were both. They were came out and with the

aver Rex. You guys were there the aver Rex. Are we giving? Are we giving Nas the Averax leather jacket credit? It's not, It's not. That's what I think. The Streets was the flyest rapper. So when he came with the fade in the part that's hip hop culture, the Army Jackets, sneaker Uzi on the Island and my army jacket line. Army Jackets were a New York staple for a very long period of time. He helped pioneer that. Then he

then he got flying with it. Was written when he started wearing the leather coats and the ava rexes and all of that, Like those were those fashion billboards when we was watching videos like Yo, I got it, but they all got fled around the same tongue, right, So then then you see and then you see Big with as and then you see Nas and that's that same, right they all start and nos were more similar as

part that that dressers. No, Big was more. He was more flamboyant, and he was more like you had to have a bag to dress like you you can funk around shirts and played that parties. But so Drake's influences music. But let's so then then then you got gang culture. That's influential. Dip set another. They influenced gang culture tremendously in New York. There was no gangs in New York. Now gang culture is embedded in New York culture. And

they played a major part. Not to say that that's something that's positive, but it's influenced from Snoop Dogg, Nipsey, because all of these guys influenced gang culture and they on the masses from even Chief Keith in Chicago, right for all of that that's gang culture. Then you got influence as far as actual music, right. So this is why I say Drake. Drake doesn't have any street influence, he doesn't have any fashion influence, but his musical influence

is undeniable. I even look at a little baby. I don't think anybody wants to dress like little baby. He doesn't have any influence when it comes to fashion. His influenced when it comes to music is like you're playing like anywhere I go in America. It could be Wisconsin, it could be Brooklyn, it could be South Central. I'm gonna hear his music being played. I'm not here Kendrick Lamar's music. I'm not hearing Kendrick Lamar's music. No, because

Eminem was not influential in black neighborhoods. I didn't Nobody wanted to dress like Eminem. Nobody would listening to Eminem. Eminem is the worst dresser of it was. They was listening to him in the middle of America. But Eminem influenced a lot of white kids to be like, Oh, it's okay for me to wear it. Do rat. I wasn't one of them. Held I knew he Apployd. He influenced pop culture. He influenced American culture. He influenced metal, that is culture. That's always my thing. But hip hop

culture is driven by black people. I agree, he didn't drive that's what that influenced, never influenced Black culture. Is not a goat. He is a goat, but he's he's not. He is guarded as somebody who was tremendously influent, influential, right, because I never listened to him. So the thing is like fifty would argue that, right, Like he would definitely

say there's an augumentary relation. Obviously. Also, even even if you give ten percent of the fifty credit, like, hey, you get ten percent of white, fifty is fifty for those that's all. That's like Jimmy I been right, I mean yeah, but it's Leor. That's like saying Leo Cohen is different. I think it's just different because we're talking about Eminem's the biggest rapper in the hip hop culture is American culture, right, that's it, right, hip hop culture

is American culture and influenced American culture. Right. He might have brought more eyes to it when I go to concerts. When I look, it doesn't look like me when I go to concerts, right, he might have brought attention to it. Now fans are saying, like, yo, I listened to that. I listened to this person. You gotta give him credit for that. Now as far as like people bumping and ship, nah, I didn't. I listened. I listened to the eminem So

I thought it was a great album. But it's probably like the last time I listened to like front to back from him. But I know he has great songs. I know he's great. Great business decision by the way, but I mean he makes he made. I mean the Rihanna joints on. I think that was recovery. Yeah, yeah, he had recovery those pretty way. Yeah, those good songs. Right, So I can't discount him and say like he had no influence. His last album wasn't bad music could be

murdered Bible. Actually is that when he did the rapping at the fastest, that was the one he had like Juice World on. Is that he's terrible? He was he rapping like he had Yeah the rap rap God was That wasn't rap God was Marshall Matters LP two. I believe like that takes talent to do. But it's also

like nobody wants to nobody's nobody's gonna recite that. It was just like, oh, that was a good piece of art that you did, right, Yeah, I don't know, man, I think I think, uh, you know, there's a go I mean, I got push a t in my top like eight, so he's in top eight, but my personal list not in like the all time uh ship, I got set Will, which is a great I think that might be a classic. Yeah, I would say it's nas

yay nas yay. Ho Hove to me is like the undisputed greatest of all time that like if like I just think, like, if I'm going to put the real list together, he's I think the only one that can challenge Hohove is Drake and Kanye. The only thing with Kanye is like Kanye to me, when I put like the mc glasses on, it's a little fuzzy because I think he gets a lot of that was, yeah, a whole lot. But to me, I think Kanye is the greatest artist of all time. Personally, I think he's got

the best discography. I think if I'm like if I had to go on an island with one guy's out of your work it But yeah, but yeah, I would go nas Hove Yay, Andre Kendrick ghost Face. It's my personal list off the top of my head. By the way, push a T's up there. Rick Ross is around ten. Common for Me's up there. I love Common. I just think he had like you said, Drake did, not my personal No. I got Freddy Gibbs like real high on

my personal ship. I think, I mean Freddy ever just for my personal like I think like for me, like I think Alfredo, he's got to me to me three classic albums like Pata that's just me though I've never listened to You got to listen to Alfredo fully pretty, you know. So you know what's so crazy about this Freddy gae situation. You know the only Freddy Gibbs song I've ever heard in my life, the song Yeah with Bennie the Butcher. Oh well, it's actually a very good song,

great song. It will never happen again. Probably won't perform there, probably not. Well, Bennie still performs because it's his biggest sommer. It's his biggest song, Yeah is it? Cole now? That probably is now? I think one Way Flight is now it's got to be a second biggest song. He still performs. It sucks. I'm type with both of them. It's a hell of a wreck. And we see Benny all the time. Bennie's my god, No, I love his that's a classic.

That's a classic. That's that albums Alfredo and he doesn't have a Benny doesn't have an album. He's got a mixed your termber boy, who did I say? He said Alchemist Hippo. Yeah, listen, Toreddy gives Alfredo that's the name of it. Yeah, I mean, that's the one he got nominated for Grammy for great, great body of work. Yeah, I mean, I think. But then if I can putting together the list is different because I'm like, it's jay

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stop this. Wait wait wait wait, wait wait, wait, and allow me to say I think he's one of them. Okay, you know what two bocks the most overrated wrapper. He went deeper with the dig No no, no to me, Little Wayne. For me, when I think of Wayne, I think that he just put out a lot of bullshit in the same way that I think of Eminem, Like Eminem's put out so much terrible fucking up our music, put out so much trash that we just don't even think about what do you? Okay? The last time he

put out anything that was great was the first note. Listen, wait wait wait. The last time Lil Wayne puts some ship out that I was like, Yeah, Wayne's that motherfucker was no ceilings. And that was in nine the Cardiff fucking trash good records on the car. There's like two good songs and good records, The and the and and

guess what. The best rapping on that album was on the interludes when it was six okay, but also okay, okay, okay, fine, great record, but that being said, Carter Ford can go right in the fucking recycle Ben Okay, Now we're not

gonna do its. Great records, Carter five, I'll give you're forgetting I Am Not a Human Being and the bullshit rock album No, No, No No, because we still got great records on No you got Drop the World with Eminem Dropped the World is not I don't think that's a great record, but you got No right above it's on that with Drake. That's a great record. It's right above it. I like that song. There's a great intro to that HBO show that the rock Star. That's a fact.

That licensing and the licensed that too. Listen, that has great records. You've got not only because we're not gonna we're not gonna do this wing right, We're not waiting this is and we're not gonna act like five hundred degrees was good? Are we No, we're not counting that. So all I'm gonna be with you? Are we gonna go because I like the block is hot, the block is great. The Carter one is lights out. Carter two, like I said, is in my top five. I think

old time. Carter three is Are you starting Oda Wyne's career at the first Carter No, I'm signing with the block is hot because that's one of the block of hot was great, lights out was whatever degree it was terrible. There was a phase. Okay, Carter one was great, changed it. Carter two we already no cemented. Carter three classic and animost commercially successful. Do you find it interesting? By the way, the new song he dropped the DMX sample the swizz

Bee is fire it? But what about the just deal with a couple of five three to two one? That's a great song. Sometimes a great record still put out good. The verse he did with Nikki and Drake, he killed that. He's still putting out good. Let me let me versus and good records he hasn't probably put out when we look at his like, let me say, let me say something about this because he's been here since he was sixteen. You bring up a good point. He's forty one and

now you can critique hm. You bring up a good point. But everybody. This is why we got to appreciate pac even though he's not the best lyricists. And it's like for me, everybody's different from me as a rapper. Pak is but but influentially but let me let lyricists. But I think Park's probably top two most influential, probably number one.

But the thing is to him, they the thing about it is this for me personally, right, And this is what I put Eminem, Lil Wayne and a variety of other artists in the same category where they're very talented and they're extreme. But let's say this though. For me, right, music, growing up, music used to help me get through my

day and it was education. So like some of the my favorite rappers are like a Z and like these are things like and I listen to what he's saying, and the ship that he's talking about is real ship. Like it's actually education, Like I'm learning things, I'm hearing things. I'm like, I don't know what that word means. He's rapping about real ship. So when I hear rappers like googlet, no, little Baby's rapping about real ship. That's what I'm trying

to tell you. Little Baby is nostalgic from the nineties perspective when he when he's saying, like the ship that he's talking about, he's actually rapping, like he's think Little Baby is the most improved rapper we've ever seen in real time he's saying, he's saying, like little Baby is really rapping real lyrics that's coming out of his mouth. My my thing with Lil Wayne has always been what are you rapping about? I got six bathrooms like a ship all day? Like you always use that line. I'm

just saying you like, that's the only line. I'm just saying, like you rapping about things? You guys who have is that's why? Like, that's why, like Ti I, because when Ti I was rapping, it was real ship. Like I can understand the words that he's saying. It makes sense to me. He's telling the story. I'm getting it, you know. Also, rapping about ship is Drake, No, Drake's rapping about ship, bro, What is he rapping about beside ledges? That's that's it.

That's it. That's it. That's it. But it's but it's still it's still it's still at least he's rapping about something like Eminem and Wayne something is my dog. They just they wrapped, they wrapped forty eight bar saying you can find they haven't wrapped anything Lil Wayne has. True, Lil Wayne has such an insane amount of music out that it'd be unfair to us to say he doesn't

rap back. That's what I'm saying. If you go saying as far as you go back to the car to four, right is not a lyricist like haba love is on that on that the album, right is he not talking about like a real situation, that's realize ship. You could you could take that one line. I could take I could listen and not to say doctor k Boot wasn't. Probably the best song is hard. That's just hard talk about given instructions. That's a bad reference. That's a bad

referenced referenceample, it's a bad reference. You can find a bar that's like, why do you say that? Listen? I look listen. I have to say I love Lil Wayne. I'm a fan of like a lot of Little Wayne music, like most like I feel like dying is my ship. But that's some. That's some. That's a mixtape. Ship mixtape Wayne.

It's incredible. But I just had albums but I just think, like when I think of Wayne and the way he's regarded, I just don't know if the quality overall lines up with someone like Hendrick lamar Or and it goes back what you're wrapping about, what you're rapping about, even like like I think of like d m X, who maybe wasn't like I kind of look at X in the same way that I look at Park. It was more about the delivery, the content, how it may you feel, you know what I'm saying, Like DMX and Tupac are

two of the greatest of all time. Even know I said what I said about Black, But I just like when I think of little Wayne, I don't know a time when litl Wayne has ever made me feel like ship. I think of a time Jay Z's made me feel that way. I think of a time Jake Coles made me feel that And I don't you know, Jake Cole's another one. Jake Cole's up there. He's up there. He's another one who doesn't have a consensus classic. Even though Forest Hills Drive is a classic to me and a

lot of people that he's wrapping about. I agree he's up there. Like the fact he did a whole album about like fucking people like this whole drug shit going in nineteen whatever. I love different. He's legendary. Wortils drives in credit like love your best one for sure, we give him. He got a lot of records to his records.

Dope Clods one of the ones for sure. And for what it's worth, this is a crazy statement to make, but I've seen when Cole was touring whatever album that was at the time was twenty sixteen, so it wasn't it was the one that had neighbors on it. Your Eyes Only, I think, yeah, that's yeah. I hated that album. But when he was touring that album at the same time, Kendrick was torn Dan I went to I went to

both both in La and j Cole. I'm telling you man, when he came out with the prison suit he was in the middle of I think Dave was fucking when Cole had I went to both shows. I feel like the energy at the Cole La show was like ten times crazy. Kendrick show, that's crazy. Were just talking about that show. That was a He put on a great performance. Everything looked good, you could feel it. The passion was there. It was like, yo, he has records that belonged in

arenas and along the stage. Kendrick has that too, Yeah, but he's mastered now the stage presence. Like this last tour, Kendrick took it to a different level. He took it to it was like only only like we only seen like Drake does it now because he has the money to have all the pyro and have all the like, Oh, it's crazy. Drake had that like basketball, the Cordy Court

and all that, Like he has the money now. It didn't start that way, but like the first person I obviously do that was yet for sure before you even had the capital to do it. And that's a crazy thing. We think about Jay's influence. How is it's live shows? He had to When I went to the Glow and the Dark tour, I went to Kanye's first tour, Brianna opened, I was there. I went to Confession's tour and Drake no,

so that's his first tour for he was opening ads. Actually, so my best friend's brother like my childhood best friends brothers in a group called Dilated People's. So Dilated People's had a song with Kanye called this Way, but they also opened the College Dropout tour. So I actually went as like a fifteen year old kid, went to like four the dates when came out here to La went to the House of Blues twice, and then when he

came to Phoenix, I got to meet Kanye backstage. But that show was did you go to the college Dropout Show? I didn't Confessions. So the first time I saw You See a Consequence do Spaceship Live and he had the hip hop Violini's chick out there, John Legend was just up there, just on stage, just fucking like no one cared, Like I'm telling you going to dark. That's when it

was like, this guy's different. He's different, and now you can see it when you look at trave and he got the roller coaster going through the crowd and like he changed it. Then he had to floating stage for the same Pablo, and I was like, no, this is the greatest thing of it. I still haven't seen a show that was better than that show. When he's floating, and I'm like, that's art and now the guys are doing it, they're seeing it, and like, all right, we can take pieces of that in our own way and

be creative with it. So it's the stage a lot of the stage. But it's like, let's get back to bars. This is why I like being a butcher. This real ship. He's rapped, he's real rap. Nipsey Hustle is nostalgic to the era that I grew up on, where he's rapping about things that are relatable, they're understandable. He's coherent when he speaks. This is something that's important in rap music.

A lot of these rappers are not that. And when we talk about the greatest of all time, you gotta have that as a component because it's like, you could be a great rapper, but what are you rapping about. I think Wayne is one of the greatest of all time, but he's to me, he's not in the top ten. And I think everybody who talks about Wayne thinks he's like number one. I think Wayne and Kobe are kind of the same God rest Kobe soul, like Kobe fans and little Wayne fans are very similar. You guys are

basketball fans. No, No No, what I'm about to say is a fact. Listen, if you talk to somebody who loves Kobe is the greatest basketball player, he's the goat or he's the closest thing to Jordan because they jaded. They're jaded,

and also they don't watch a lot of basketball. Okay, so if we're like like like where he really is is like seven or eight, if maybe maybe not even that he might there's a lot of publications that don't have Kobe in the top ten, but I'm saying, like, at best he's like seventh all time probably like probably, And to me, that's like great, It's still a Kobe

Bryant over fucking Kareem Abuil. Listen when you start even Tim Duncan, no, I'm putting moment when you say I'm one thousand rings, two different dynasties on the same team. Kobe's in two different dynasties. And as when you say that, when you say that as a fact, did it work with Manu? Was a Hall of Famer? Tony Parker's going to the Hall of Fame. It's popa bitches going to the Hall of Fame. Okay, So you're David Robinson's in the Hall of Fame. David Robinson, you can't even come

the Hall of Famers, Okay, but relaxed on the David Robbins. Yeah, but like how much did they play together? Tim Duncan was where do you win? His first how about you? No? Where do you win? His first show? It was the lockout year? And who was on the team David who was the best player on the team. This is my thing with Cobe. Rest in peace, God bless God right there,

God bless I love Kobe Mamba mentality forever. You weren't the best player on the team, Bro when on three shock Bro three time, three time, the best player on the final is what I would like to point out about Kobe. He was the best player on the final the last. Lebron was always the best play on point out something specific every single Wait, wait a minute, because

I am a Lebron. This coms you, guys. Lebron's to me, it's either him or Jordan, but that he's like, I'm just using because they they some people, Lebron, They're fucking insane. And I would like to point out, Okay, Shaquille O'Neal leaves get to ring with d Wade in Miami, gets carried, gets carried to her what was going on with the Lakers at that time? They were they were they were scratching into the playoffs as eight seeds and getting bounced out by my Phoenix Suns in round one. He got

caught with a charge. That does he railed three years in a row that effect. But who's he playing with? Chrisms? Okay, Okay, so then then I'd like to circle let's circle back. No disrespect of those guys. Two Lebron, Yeah, who got to the finals in seven? The best of the to do this? Ship man, Lebron, He's the He's the best. I have a Lebron James toy right there, going got to the finals in seven? Who was on his team? Moe Williams All Star? What he he didn't make it

All Stars? He did? Listen, listen, listen, listen. We're not this is what we're not going to. Okay, Look, that was the worst team outside of Alan Eric, outside of Alan I. That was the worst team ever to take the NBA debate beat They beat the defending NBA champion. He's the conference finals. The act that I not gonna act like Lebron to have a terrible cast of characters that he just every time. Why Marshall was on this You're not going to do that. I think we're not

going to. That's what We're not going to down on y'all. Finished. You could debate that or we could just stay fast. Was Williams and all star? Yes once I believe what time I'm because of Lebron and because of Lebron not finished? What do you do without Leron? Also finished? Because of them? You're about to say, oh god, they all stars? Right, I'm just saying, who have a big man in the East. I'm just saying fat Ben Wallace had two big men. No,

I'm just saying the team was terrible. The team was just saying that those guys are all stars, right, Alan and I m a team works. Now you go back to that Laker team and you tell me the second best player what Laker team? The what is he talking about? That went to the finals? No? No, no, the teams win exactly the final. I'm telling you the name of that the next best player? He had A he had Lebron J they have a good tell me the next

best player. Let's look, I'll tell you right now. If you tell me MEVI think I'm out here, So would we go? I'm out? And we'd agree that two thousand and six o seven they were forty to and forty and I think they were the eighth seed. So this is where this is when they lost to the number one seed. Sons correct the phoenix sense of Tim Thomas. Okay, okay, wait a minute, Sim Thomas is on that team. Who was on the team in six Andrew Biden was? That's a fact. That is a fact. Was he the first

brown year? Okay? Okay, wait wait wait wait wait wait, then we agree he was not all he's the first pick? Can we agree at the very least picking what can we agree? Can we agree that one of the greatest role players and six men of all time before crack hit him was lamar Odoms. That's a fact because he was on the team. That's a fact. Anybody on that on that Cavaliers team, that's a fact. Is better than anybody on the get off fat, that's a fact. Always

better than anybody that caps. I saw Lebron fact. I can't look at it. It does get bad. You got fucking Edrew who was starting that's the starting guard. But look at Lebron's Chris Mims is the starting center. Andrew. If you're supposed to be better than Lebron, get out of the fucking first round. If you're supposed to be better Lebron win a championship, and he did that and on nine and ten and he lost and old again because Jerry West served him up. Paul fucking Gasaw on

a plate. No, the NBA did a disservice by not letting them have Chris Paul, and that's how they got powers because they felt bad and they should have done that. Right, How do you how do you say you can't trade them to this? I love Kobe, Kobe too, I love Kobe. Tim duncans he's not better, No, no, no, Tim Duncan. You want to talk about influence Tim Duncan has Can we talk about zero Tim Duncan beating the finals? Tim Duncan is the worst dress NBA player of all time?

Oh yeah, the worst geen? No, yeah he is. He's worse than Jordan, but Jordan's jeans. Can we have a Jordan's Jacobs. But Tim Duncan was sandals, bro. Yeah, he never he never tried to cares exactly say he's just the worst. Still the hell of a player. Yeah, no, he's a Hall of Famer. He's probably top ten, he's just not had a probably top ten. Yeah, probably impeccable. His career hasn't been impeccable. No, he's he's a he's a top ten. He's one of the top. Tim That's

what I'm saying. You're the best of your position, the greatest of all time, and the zero discussion ascute as that, right, If Michael Jordan's at the two guard position, okay you can, oh you're nothing. Is the Michael Jordan of the power forward position. The only person who's going to be the lowest Jordan's Kobe, right, is the greatest of the two. Kobe's the second best. You got Jordan in front of who's he having in front of him? Who was chasingh

was Pa before Tim Duncan came along. It was Carmelo and Karmelong. But then he's not even your top ten. I mean he also two time MVP is not top ten. I mean, I mean he twelve year old, you know what I mean? That did happened? I'm so surprised by the way the fact that they had that other very up their judging the du contest with all he did was anyway? Uh shot. Listen, man, what is what is next for earn your leisure? When does this come out, Uh,

probably Wednesday next week. So we got a big show in l A. You guys invited if you want to come on show did marchin leven eleventh. That appreciate you. Market Monday's Live. We're going to bring out a lot of the surprises I got. You guys gotta complaint me with the with the investor guy. You guys do Market Mondays with he he's gonna be this. He's out here right now. Yeah, for sure he's gonna be at the show.

So Market we got a lot. So we're doing a world tour actually for Market Mondays and the first stop is La. After La, we go to Toronto, then we go to London, then we go to Chicago, then we go to Ghana. So wow, that's dope man. Yeah. So it's a live show, and our live shows are different. It's not like a seminar like it's entertainment. It's theatrics, is education, it's all of it. It's a vibe like people wearing their best clothes like it's it's dope. You

gone it all? So no vote theater March eleventh dope. And then you know, we got a bunch of differ stuff. We're cooking up invest Fest. We were working on that. We're gonna announce details on that. That's our financial literacy festival. That saw a big, big, big thing that we're do in Atlanta every year. So this year is gonna be even bigger than it was last year. Actually we had Tyler Perry, Steve Harvey. You had fourteen thousand people, So

this year we're looking for twenty thousand. So yeah, it's gonna be crazy. Yeah, three thousand, fourteen, twenty thousand, and then, you know, just just a bunch of other things. Man, Content, more content, more ways to know, expand on the education with a podcast network, so Earlyer Leaders and media company we have we produced podcasts. You guys have podcasts under the umbrella. Yeah, seven shows on the Umbrella. They're all doing well. So yeah, man, just just looking to just

to keep expanding. Who do you guys want to interview that you haven't interviewed yet in terms of I mean, obviously we know you want to interview Drake, you want to interview Lil Wayne, But I mean I mean in terms that you guys think you could have some Like I think the Ross interview was incredible because she guys kind of went over some of the franchise shit, and I think you know you and the Russell made a lot of sense in terms of like what y'all do.

Who's somebody you guys really want to talk to? I always say, and I'll say until he sits next to us, and I think it's gonna happen. Sean Carter, I think

jay Z makes a lot of sense. Worse, I think that's the one, right, Yeah, just from a standpoint of where we started, especially you know, writing financial literacy lesson plans, It started with him and that line that he had in Reasonable Doubt, which is his first album obviously all Black Scottish Sports and Entertainment until he even and so just just peeling that line upon a part in dissecting it and really seeing like, wait, let's try to debunk this.

Let's try to show value in other different ways outside of those two things, to show that we can be anything we really want if we had the education and the resources around it. Just having him there from that line to this, I think definitely my number one. That would be crazy, Yeah, I think, you know, just thinking on a bigger scale, possible Elon Musk Jeff Bezo's Allego Dan Goti, who's the richest black person in the world, and the Nigeria Warren Buffett. The Musk thing could happen.

Elon Muther think it definitely could happen. I feel like it's just about you know, him being aware of it in the right space. It's like Kanye, I feel like you'll do anything if it's just depending how he wakes up in the morning, you know what I mean. But the Elon, I think, will that'll break the Internet? Did you guys, like, do you like? I mean, what do you guys feel about Twitter? Since he's taken over. I

was never really huge on Twitter. I appreciate Twitter because it's like you just go in there and just say you're random thoughts and get off. Like it doesn't I use it for like sports news and like random shit. It's it's not as addictive as Instagram for me, right, So I appreciate Twitter. I think, you know, I don't

see anything bad. I just feel like Elon's like we're just kind of like watching the trial and era of like this really rich duge just out firing eighty percent of the staff and then figuring it out on the fly. So it's kind of cool that it's like to me, it's like kind of cool to be like this motherfucker's so rich. He's just using this shit as like, yeah, there's another asset, and then it'll be a private company and it'll be you know, we'll figure out what he

does with it. But it's a place for people to It's a new form of news for a generation. Right, Like we used to have to I used to read the newspaper, right well, I used to watch the news, and now it's like people just go to their phone. It's like, oh, no, tweet, something just happened in the world, right, I mean, though, last question, let's say someone's got ten

grand saved up. You guys have covered a bunch of industries on your show, whether it's the vending machine hustle, or the trucking shit or there's so many ways people can get my If you guys were talking to some who had ten thousand dollars of like, not that's not all the money they had, but they got ten grand to start a business with, or to try to invest or how would you suggest them what would you have

them do with that ten grand? If you're advising, the first thing is to formulate a plan before you just really think about what you want to do. Right, Because you could do vendor machines, you can buy some stock, you can depend on what part of the country, then you could potentially buy real estate. But it's going to be hard to do anything successful if you don't really

have a plan in place. So I would say, before you do anything, educate yourself, sit down with a pen and paper and physically write out a plan of like what you think is your best option. And then from there, like I said, you could do either one of those things. But you've always invest in stocks with very low amount

of money. You can invest in stocks one thousand dollars, so if you want to just put now, you're not going to turn that ten thousand to a million, but at least it'll be working for you over the course of time. If you want to start a business, like you said some low costing businesses you have mentioned vending machines, you can definitely start that business for under ten thousand dollars. So you guys say you got five at your school you went to, Yeah, yeah, it's pretty profitable too, and

it brings in like thirty five hundred a month. Something like that that's great. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, it's one of those things. Man. It was like there was an opportunity there. It's something that we know it was needed. The school didn't have any you guys just hire someone to go refill it things right there. He runs the Vendom machine business for us. But it was a great way to give back to our school. You know, we

didn't see anybody doing anything like that. And the best part is that we give a percentage of every month of the revenue we give back to the senior class. So when we talk about economic hardship, how do we combat it? Well, what happens if we can subsidize what the prom cost was, or what the yearbook was or senior dudes give money to the senior class so they don't need to have bake sales and they don't have to have these raffles. Right, they're actually creating that economy.

The kids that are in the school spend money in the ven machine, every piece of that, and everybody's going to be a senior at some point and so everybody benefits. I appreciate you all pulling up. Thank you for having us brother. Appreciate March eleventh, the Novo go to go to Elesia dot com under the market Monday's World Tour tab and if you're in l A, Southern California on

the West Coast period, pull up the drive. This is our first time we ever doing the show, cause we've done shows all around the world, New York, London, all over, but this is our first time ever doing the show in l A on the West coast period. So that's a huge that's a dope venue, legendary venue. Yeah, we have the verses. We love the versus versus. It was it was ray Ja and Omri versus Sammy and and uh Mario that that was undercar but it was Mario

versus was it? It was Mario versus a Mario. I always tell everybody that that was the R and B version of the dip set locks joint, because I think a lot of people were like dip set dip sets, like, no, you knew you're going you went in think of Mario the hotel. No, no, no oh. I didn't think that, but I think that what happened was Omaron has definitively more hits than Mario, but Mario actually sang better performer. He performed he's sang his heart out and like a

Marion was eating water. People knew he did that. I couldn't. I couldn't even believe it. And Tim, and he's from l A wearing Tims in l A. I'm like, what's happening here? Interesting night? Interesting? But we were fron We were front row for that dipet lots battle. That was fucking crazy. Yeah, well look the eleventh Novo watch the podcast. How many Market Mondays on Monday? How many like pieces of content you guys usually dropping in a month? Well,

Market Monday comes out every Monday. That's a leisure comes out every Tuesday, so at least age and then you guys clip everything and yep, there it is. At the minimum. Appreciate you all pulling up a big fan of you guys, man, Yes, sir, appreciate you