#267 - Cordae

a bar. Yeah. He did a great favor for me too. I asked him and then he said easy money. Steve was there, Yeah, he was actually Yeah, I was at a joint circle with Simba, Steve Rkle and Dave Chappelle in the back backstage at the pepper was the Peppermint Club. Yeah, it was peer Yeah. A lot of good people showed up to support Killer Roy showed up there. Yeah, yeah, like a lot of got a a lot of love from a lot of artists. How does the Dave Chappelle

thing work out? Like, how do you guys become friends first time? You know what? We got really close during the pandemic. I will fly out to Ohio to see Yeah, exactly, and he's just a really good It might be the Virgo connection too, but not that I'm like a moon worship you are you really into that? I'm I'm not a moon worshiper. What do you worship? God? Shout out to go, you know, shut out to God the one? But which type of guy that we're going? Catholic God,

Christian God, Baptism, I'm a I'm a Baptist. I'm a Christian, sure, okay, but more so with Dave Chappelle, Like we just got really cool because somebody I can always go to for advice and he just realed down to earth, Like he's just a real one bro. You know. So visiting him in Ohio, like a town in kind of the middle of nowhere, in the middle of time, the thing COVID paranoia, Yeah,

it was, it was. It was awesome. Yeah. So you guys just from there just connected and it was like, and you know, he's from Maryland too, so it's it's just an easy thing. Do you feel like because I feel like Maryland is low key, like highly slept on. When we talk about like kind of the grand scheme of like hip hop you know you got your off,

you got yeah logic. Yeah, there's a lot of hitters from Maryland and Bro Marvin Gaye from DC shout you know what I'm saying, we got It's such a rich culture of music, you know, and DC, Maryland, Virginia, DMV United instead as one will be so much like because even Virginia got Pusher, got Pharrell, got Chris Brown Trey songs. Fat Trails just got out Fat Trails. He shout out, Fat Trail cold. Yeah, I got money, y'all got power,

I got respect with this. I'll just tell you, like growing up as like a kid because like Fat Trail, Sluttie Boys, huge fan like, ain't no blow on my projects, Like what the fuck is the chick? It felt like such a like moment when he got MMG. It felt like like, oh shit's about to go crazy. Yeah nah, for sure it was crazy bro like Trail Glizzi Grizzy. Yeah for sure. Like I said, Trail huge influence will a obviously big flock. So many local artists too. I

DK is killing it now, K is incredible. So it's it's a lot of really good artists out that area. Bro right now, because I feel like you have great taste in music, and you're kind of like, you know, you're not, like you might have some old head taste in you for being a young kid. But what are you listening to? I won't say I got old head taste. I just think I like to go back. Yeah, but okay,

point maybe proven. I've been listening to a lot of Outgreen lately, but I've been listening to a lot of older music for samples, you know, just to listen and old head taste for sure. Yeah, the Silvers, you know what I'm saying, Just but for sample purposes and because it's fucking good. Like wine is always going to be fine wine. You can always go back and watch Michael Jordan highlights and they're still crazy. Pete Marrivig not so much,

you know what I'm saying. Yeah, once you get to like when the TVs were black and white on YouTube, the highlights become really bad. Yeah you're like, oh, these guys would be terrible today. They couldn't last because they were just playing against a bunch of guys that looked like me. Yeah. No, it was like niggas is plumbing. And then okay, I got a game tonight at the National Basketball Association. But any hip hop you're like that is like you know anything new, Like have you listened

to the new Literally album? No, I haven't chat, I haven't chat Crazy it's dope, trippy psychedelic, like, yeah, no, I've seen that. It was like an experimental album album. Shout out to him for like, it takes a lot of nuts to do some ship like that. The type of music you would love to listen to it Truman hard Yeah, Goodman music, Nah, for sure, and I gotta check it out. I'll definitely check it out. What is

your go to shroman music? Mmm, let me see the goat to just anything soulful, anything soulful, and it's also you can just type in shroom playlist on Yeah, yeah, Mack to Marco, Nirvana, fucking yeah, entertain What song is that? Entertain? It's a big ass song. And I'm crazy for not knowing the ts. Yeah, it's a shout out to you. Yeah, it's a it's crazy. Mac Miller's great on Troops. Yeah, Travis is Tame and Paula. Yeah, Tame and Paula of course that the LSD LSD. I feel like I had

ass naming all these like big troom songs. But that's what I do. I just go on sound and just hit play you good, yeah, super good. Worst trip you've ever had, Oh, I've had if any I've had a bad one. I've had just one bad one, Bro, I was it was. It was just a dumb reason why I did. I was in the hall, in the crib along. I just shouldn't have did it. I was in a dark place in my life, honestly, Truman at home alone. Bro, it was crazy. It was horrible. Pandemic No, not pandemic.

So what happened? Were you just like overthinking everything freaking out? Yeah? I was. Yeah, I was like really on panic mode like in life, Like I was on like full on panic mode. Like it was crazy, Bro, it was. It was not something I like to revis it. Was just

it was a bad trip. Explain to me what was going on with the Abraham Lincoln fake fake beard thing that was happening for that show, because I really legit thought because I didn't seen you online in a while, and then you pop back out and I'm like, oh this guys just just saying like I don't know what's happening here. Yeah, it's this character I got Big Play Day and I I was him in the R and P video, So I was just like, you know, and I had to do a TV show that day, okay,

And I'm like, you know what. And for the TV show, I was Big Play Day, my character that I my alter It's kind of like my alter ego, honestly. And so for the TV shows called The South Side, so I had to be my alter ego Big Play Day, and I had my chops on. I'm like, you know what, bro, fuck it, I'm gonna do the show with him. And I didn't think it was I was just like, y'all, fuck it, like I thought it was real. I'm a creative. Yeah,

that's crazy. Nigga looked like Kareem Abdul Jabbar's like, Jesus, he's going straight seventies porn mode on these my maath for real, straight up BBC nights out here. Absolutely, Yeah, did you say BBC? Jesus? You said it? And I mean you said it. He did it anyway. You you go to a lot of basketball games. Yeah, I feel like you're a front row of many I am. You're

very passionate about the NBA in the sport. Would I want to say that I just am in a blessed as position in my life through where I get court side tickets for free, So for free, for free? How does that work? My agent manager? And then sometimes I'll know the players, so courtside for free every time. You've never paid not a dollar? Wow? Right, hand of God, I've been over one hundred. In my first NBA game, I was court sided. Wow. That's nice. God is great.

What have you ever had like a situation where you're talking shit or like somebody was like, like, you know, you're at courtside you hear Yeah, so you heard something. Maybe you shouldn't have hurt. No, I don't talk now. I don't talk shit at all because I like the I'm just there to enjoy the game and I ain't trying to fight No. Seven for the plus I got hands. But you're a Wizards fane. I'm a Wizards fan, I mean, and that's rough. What are you gonna say? We got

Bradley Bill? Like, who cares for? Now? Do you want Bradley Bill to stay? There's no way you want him to stay as a Bradley Bill fan or a Wizard fan a wiz Yeah, I want brad Bell to stay. Why because he's like, so you can continue to fight for the night Seed. You think we should just tank? Yeah, Victor, I think you guys trade Bradley Beal, Chris stops Porzingis Kuzma, get a bunch of fucking picks, and well we got a we get another star. What if we just get

another star? Then we were doing something no one's going to DC. I know it's not gonna happen. The closest thing to another star y'all got is that tall, awkward white man Chris stops Pusini. Oh yeah, it's called it. You're getting a distressed asset. That's the best that's the best case scenario for the Wizards. Get a distressed asset like Chris stops and he actually comes through and plays all right, which is we just traded a Ucci Uchi Rama? What ruly? Hatra mora? It's not nah. That sounds like

a great porno. Speaking to BBC's hu Chi Rama Baby whoci in big like seventies letters, I watched a movie called Rama who Chi Rama Baby? That sounds like a great sitcom too, Whuchi Rama. I think you're gonna be good for the Lakers though, Yeah, he's Uh, I don't know. Man, was he good for y'all? No, he was straight. He got the job done. He got the job done. You know, he shout out to him. Yeah, he shout out. You know, he's got his own pair of Jordan's. He's got like

a really moral version of Jordan's six. For real, I think it's a six. Yeah, hey, shout out to hey, Hey, young black man getting money. Man, can't be mad at that. You're still doing Puma. I see you got Louise on what's going on? Absolutely, I'm wearing Puma, but I had to master the jacket. So what happens? You can in trouble if you wear Louis Patan shoes. Nah, because they're not a direct competitor of Puma. According to the the Article

eleven a, Section three of my contract. As long as I'm not wearing any competitors, is it frustrating that you can't wear some fly jays? It isn't tool them quarterly checks coming, And I mean listen, man, Puma is on fire. Mann. You know, you know it's crazy. I might reanswer that sometimes, but Puma has a l a wide variety, like the Puma Rude collab is super and I'm not only like collab is fire. Fucking Yeah. We got some ship at Puma, bro,

I ain't gonna lie. We got some good ship at poo poos great now they're they're great, And we're number two behind Nike is as far as its most athletic gear and most sneaker soul. Literally we're number two behind Nike and we c and the dope thing about Puma, they're more like inclusive, like they'll get like a kid super or they'll get like uh rude, you know what I'm saying. They'll get like l like they work with. Who decides war? Like all the brands that's really the

ones that's making shit move in culture. Who decides war? Who decides war? Who the white man? Not the white the white man, his last name is man, the white man, the white man. Uh yeah, shout out to Puma, Man, shout out to Puma. So me ask you something, uh huh when you like collaborate, cause a lot of art we see do these huge brand deals. Is there like, is there anything that like you're you? Because because I feel like you have a very like commercially viable image.

If I'm a brand and I'm like I want to get somebody who's young, who's you know, tapped into the culture. But won't you know, fucking I don't know, go on Instagram live at three in the morning with an ak forty seven and threaten his ops knowing that you're kind of that guy. I don't know if that's a compliment. It is, Okay, of course it is. I know. I'm joking. Are you like, super like mindful of that when just moving around like day to day life? Like yo, like

cause you I mean you said that, Uh? I mean what songs did you dropp last year? We were talking about was a pepsi that broke your coca cola? So you're you're doing shit that like a lot of artists can't do, you know what I mean? Getting getting bags that a lot of artists can't do. So, like when you're just thinking about your social media, you're thinking about just how you move around in the public eye or stuff you might say an interview use social media. Are

you mindful of that? No? Not really, bro because at the end of the day, the music is still the engine that drives it off. Like you can be the cleanest motherfucker, but like if your music ain't hitting, then or if it's or you're not connecting with the people, then that ship, that opportunity doesn't exist. So I just I just like to be myself, bro, And I've never just been a gun slinging ass Nigga. I own guns several actually that you should with a license. You chect yourself. Cute.

I got endless guns. You know what I'm saying, it's all super illegal. But I say this super illegal, no super legal. Super you got super illegal, no super legal. I got what you got. I got got Drake Nigga, I got Draco's, I got all types of ship legally. You know what I'm saying. Where do you live? If you live at the No, no, no, Georgia, Georgia, Georgia. Okay you you got it all then yeah yeah yeah you're Georgia South with it. Yeah, like I say, if you're here, no, no, no, that's not legal. You got

a good league. Yeah, I got send me all those all that. Hey, that's good though. Let people know they can't you know, not that I don't have any. Are some me all those legal in the South? I can't. I don't know. He would know his fully automatics are illegal everywhere, correct, everywhere. Yes, Yeah, I don't know he would know because he's yeah I thought so. Yeah, but yeah I got I got hell of ship bro in the South. Yeah. I fucking this guy right here was

logging into my YouTube channel on our company laptop. Besides the fucked up porn history that popped up in my Google Internet, yeah, absolutely, my YouTube algorithm was just about machine guns and handguns. And I was like, what the fuck is going on because this fucking Second Amendment ass motherfucker over here searching how to take apart handguns and ship But I digress. But they're strapped up, Yeah, exactly.

But the point is that I just I'm not never, not gonna be myself Bro for the sake of a brand, you know what I'm saying though, for the sake of But I turned down millions and millions of dollars Bro because it's like it's a brand that's kind of like off brand for me as a person, because it's like, I'm not trying to just start selling ball clippers. You know what I'm say. I'm going to ask you. Don't tell me the company, but tell me the genre of bag you turned down. Is it an energy drink? Is

it ball Clippers and it wasn't ball Clippers that. But but like, what give me like something that you've turned down? Just the industry. You don't gotta tell me what company was big as I turned down huge features because the artists, I'm like, yeah, they like do like one hundred million monthly streams, but I just don't like the song and it might not be the best business decision, but it's just like, yo, I'm still an artist at the end of the day, and I try to just move with

my heart. And it sounds fucking cliche and all this shit, but it's the guys down the store. I try to just move with my feeling, you know. But so it's the same with what about a brand? What kind of brand? What's what's the brand deal you turned down? What's a brand deal with? Yeah, a clothing brand? You gotta be more specific than that, is give me okay, let's just say a clothing brand I've turned that. Boozy wanted to come and have you bring back Jewel House clothing. He

has a I rock that for years. You remember your house fight dt L all all over the country gap? Yeah, he said before you said no the gap is this before Kanye I didn't. I don't know before right when it was yeah no on the gap, Yeah were gap? Except yeah? But I know, yeah, hit you right now he's gone through some sort of you know, spiritual reawakening. He fucked up. You know, he's trying to bring back Easy. Hey, pray pray for ya, man, pray for ya. Hypothetically he

kitched you, Cordy. I fucked up, man, I'm sorry. I gotta get this Easy ship back popping. Would you like to be the face of the new season? I might. I'm gonna think about that ship. Yeah, I'm gonna think about it. I'm gonna give him some serious consideration. Absolutely, I just gotta see, you know, what the designs look like. But I ain't gonna be like, oh no, because everybody else is on some can't you know? I agree whatever

I'm a I'm a death. We consider it highly Yeah, I mean, I think, and that's one of the forefathers, you know what I'm saying. So he is. He is one of the forefathers, in my opinion, the best discography and rap history. Highly. Yes, you you can put a good ass argument on that, A good ass I think it's Kanye whole. But I think Yay's got more class

like certified, like undeniable classics. But hos up there. But I also think okay outcast, Yeah, for sure, o't cast, they don't miss Okay Kanye Okay, college drop out, late legislation, graduate, graduation. All three classics, yeah, all three of classics. Eight classic because it's yeah, yeah, my beautiful, my beautiful, dark twist of fantasy. That's file classic. Then we're going yes, which, in my opinion is I think Jesus it's I think you're confusing. I could be. I think you're not confusing.

I think influential. Don't mean it's a classic. No, I actually think Jesus personally, for me, I love so I don't know to it's crazy. I don't think it's in consensus hip hop classic Okay, I think it's like for me personally, Okay, it's a classic. I got albums that I'm like, it's a classic to me, But that don't mean it's a classic to everybody you know for sure.

But going back to the original point, just because I'm trying to get my thought off my bet if I cut you off of just like I'm I can't be a slave to the brand Bro, I say no to ninety five percent of incoming brands and feature everything. Bro, it just gotta be like whether I do a song, I gotta like really fuck with the song or that person, no matter how big or small they are, you know what I'm saying. If it's like a brand, it just gotta be on brand with who I am as a

human being. Like Puma do Hella like community outreach shit, They do Hella charitable shit. They do Hella like give back stuff. And I used to wear Pumas in middle school because we used to wear uniforms in a public school and we had to wear all black sneakers, so I would have one the Pumas. They're affordable, So I really fuck with Puma. So that's why I rock with Puma. You know what I'm saying. They got plenty of Pumas

in my closet. That's it. A lot more Jordans, but we're gonna change that for court Ay, thank you sir. When we'll see something, well, something I need to buy some high level pullmas is on the way for you, high level Pumas. How's the high level thing going? It's going great. We just need more artists, so how Does that work for you because you're obviously in full artist mode. Yeah, you have a lot of personal life developments happening that are life changing. Yeah, do you have time to even

search for artists? Yeah, it just got to be the one that I It's all about feeling, bro, just because at the end of the day, I can sleep at night if I turn down a certain amount of bread or a brand or a feature whatever, if I know, like I just went with what my heart felt, you know what I'm saying, or what I really love or what moved me. So it's kind of the same with artists, bro, because I don't want to just sign artists just to

sign them. I want to just have the model of like just have a few artists and we really like push behind them and I'm able to give them the stuff that I've learned, even though I'm still fucking I fuck up a lot, Like I'm a fuck up bro for sure, but I can acknowledge that and I just keep moving, you know what I'm saying. That's my goal. So and just you know, with Ace and the whole team, like pushing behind them. So just getting a couple of artists, you know, because if you turn down a deal. That's

nobody lose a sleepover that. If you signed somebody and you don't do justice by them, that's a human being. That's a human being that's responsible. But when you sign an artist, you're kind of not even kind of you're responsible for that person. Yo. So you did a Ted talk that was like the biggest Ted talk of the year. YEA was that very Uh were you nervous preparing for that because that's a big deal to do it? Yeah, Bro, I was off. That's one of them shroom nights. Bro.

Like when I had that bad, I was like, fuck, I got this Ted talk to do next week. Word that wasn't the mayor. It was a fucking It was a bunch of shit, bro, A bunch of shit. It was a lot of ship. But going back to the Ted talk, hmmm, I am that was something I wanted to do because I'm like, Yo, it's just some cool ship. And then when they actually reached out, I was like, yeah, we want Cordiator to do a tech I'm like, oh shit,

I didn't know, So what's the question again? Just like talking about preparing for that, like, you know, that's a big speech to write. A lot of I wrote a speech and then I sent it over to Ted Talk and they had like certain notes about it. And then I'm like, bro, like I don't like what the they sent me, like, you know, edit notes like this is cool, but this ain't. And so I kind of started panicking because I'm like, I just want to write what I want to write, and so I just end up just

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Just it's gonna sound cliche, but I think it's just being yourself, bro, and not just giving the fuck about Like the numbers, you know what I'm saying. Like even like with my last album, I think it's because I dropped at the top of the year. I did twenty four k first week. Everybody reported at twenty I'm not gonna tweet and be like, no, Nigga ain't do twenty

I did twenty four K, but whatever. So I did twenty four K, but I sold out ninety percent of a world tour in venues that's way bigger than motherfuckers that do triple the numbers that I do, right, you

geel what I'm saying. So, what's the point of doing one hundred K first week if you can't sell out the Novo you know what I'm saying, or certain venues that I'm doing me as a with my little twenty four k, and I'm doing triple the venues, and those people also aren't turning down million dollar deals nah, for sure on a tens on conscious album, by the way,

you know what I'm saying. So I say this to say it's all about like what connects, you know, just making music from your heart that relates to a certain demographic or not even demographic, a certain niche people who are who just whoever is for. I'm I'm kind of at the place right now where I'm like, yo, bro, I just wanna make music. It's trans with this new shit I'm doing, Bro, I'm just more transparent than ever ever,

more vulnerable than ever, more honest than ever. And whoever that connects to is who's that was meant to connect to. And if it didn't connect to them, I meant and if that doesn't connect to whoever, then it's not for you production wise? Who's on the new album? Because you've we've seen you in the studio with the Who's who? I want to say you were in with Dre and we didn't We haven't heard, but that sounds like yeah, yeah, I mean so it says that's like the same story

for like a million other artists. Yeah, everyone's like, yo, I was in with Dre. I'm like, can we hear the music? Hey, I'm happy with my flick. I'm happy with you got mom flick my mom got that ship framed and should But who's Who's got beats on the album? F n Z not sure if you ever heard of them? They're super cold at l Jacob my boy, Illy Holler, he's super tight. Who else? I can't think are you doing any production? Oh? Bongo bongo super hard T minus

nice little lineup? Yeah cool little you know, Avenger Squad. What do we gotta do to get you in the studio? With the Alchemist. Oh, I did ship with Alchemists. We did. I'm trying to yo me and Alchemists will make a fire ass collab. You can take you a whole album. Yeah,

I'm down for that all the way. Is that like because you're on You're on Atlantic Records, so like it's probably a little bit more difficult for you to be like, I want to do a fucking album with the Alchemist because now, because I was just paying myself, that's fair. Not that he'll even I don't even know what that will be because my argument, I paid for the beats. What do you I would love for you to do like a fool, even if it's not the Alchemist, just

like one producer. Nah, for sure, I'm definitely like, that's one of my goals this year to drop a couple of those, like one from Alchemists, one with this artist, but Alchemists definitely at beside the Alchemist's house. Well, just me and that producer Metro would be super tight. I don't really I never met this nigga though, Yeah, I never met an album. Yeah, so great that thug first free Free Thug. I love the transition, he said. Every

time we make it rain. It's a thunderstoring crazy. You know, the transition from that record into the future interlude afterwards. Yeah, I'm freaking, I'm geeking. That's just that's that's that's not any album. Metro is a culture curator. He's amazing. He's awesome. I think he's like I was thinking about this the other day, right because if we think about like, I think his new album is probably and this might be Recncy biased, but it feels like the best hip hop compilation.

I'm glad you Recncy bias is the real thing. It is. But I'm like, when I'm listening to this new metro Booming album, I'm like, I'm not sure anyone has really ever done a better compilation, Like cal has never made an album better than that. Are we going down the line whoever's got compilation albums? You know what I'm saying. I just feel like this metro Booming album he purposely like built it around this cast of guys. Now he did that. He took drake off of one of the

songs who take a break off. He did it for the art. It's fucking crazy. Yes, we gotta get you a metro boomer in Nah that'd be crazy fuck somebody who you worked with. Yeah, obviously he's in a tough situation. Uh for young Thug. That was on one of your kind of like holdover. Uh he does justin till ep Me and Thug got another joint in the can that I love a lot, that I actually like more to and What's Up. But What's Up just fit that. Uh, that that project a little bit better because I needed

some tempo. But Thug man real one. Bro. He's always there whenever I need, like any advice, you know what I'm saying, whenever I needed anything. But he's just super genuine. You guys recorded those together. Yeah, we recorded both of them together. What's his process compared to yours? Like, Man, I gotta I can't write when I'm with him because he does everything off the top. So I'm like, fucking

I gotta do the same shit. But even if I were to like write some stuff, he's patient, he's with whatever, like with whatever. But I try to just keep up with him. That's my goal, to just keep up at the pace he records, but still come up with some cold shit right hard. You've been with a lot of artists who's got the fastest pace writing or recording thug thug. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair. Who's on the new album? Besides, we got

the new Anderson? But you and Anderson should do a new album together, by the way, like yeah, like like do like a ten pack. Yeah, that'd be crazy. Nah, it'll be. And you know what, it's because I think our chemistry on record is is so good. Because he's really like one of my best friends. I don't have too many friends. He's a great guy. He's one of my best friends for real. And so so Anderson's on

the album. Who else? I'm not quite sure yet, And I don't want to say a name just because they might not make it or that song may not make it in a grand scheme. But I'll let you know. I'm not trying to be you don't know one other for sure, No, I don't. I swear you know the album coming out. I don't know what's the name of the album. I don't know. It's just an idea. I'm sorry, is it coming out? And is it coming out by the summertime? Yeah? This shit okay? And you don't have

to fucking name yet. Just tell me. I'd rather not say no. I'm dead ass. You don't know the name. No, I'm dead ass. You could just look at me and be like, you know what, Bro, I'd rather not say. I would rather not I don't know for sure. I don't know for sure. That's my answer, Like, I know the name what I'm thinking of, but it ain't that. I don't want to sit here and promote a name that ain't the name. No more. Was there Averse on this new album that you know the name of Averse?

That song that you felt like you might have got bodied on Averse? Averse? I'm just now I'm fishing for guests rapper versus. Do you think there's somebody on your new album that might have bodied you on the song or came close or made you be like ooh that was close. Damn No, no like that. So what you're saying is everyone gave me throwaway verses on your album. Nah, niggas ain't do that, niggas. No, na, Nah, it's not too many feet. I literally got like two features, So

you do know you have features, but they're not a lot. Bro. Listen, you know I don't like to say the feature into that paperwork. I'm kind of a jinx right, Like, if we're both walking and it's a pole, we ain't splitting that poll. Okay, you know what I'm saying. If it's a crack on the floor, I ain't stepping on that. Don't step on crack, you know what I'm saying. Just smoke it. It is as I say, it's very hard in La did and I step on some sort of

crack somewhere. It's everywhere or it's more fetanol. Absolutely, But shout out to that fatty watch I mean, speaking of shout out, damn fuck that shit. Crazy. I wonder Fedi wap knew when he named himself that that there would be a drug like named after him, like eight years later. You know, that was like the most deadly shit ever. That's like killing all half of the country. Pretty crazy, Hey, obviously, very tragic. Let's switch speeds. Okay, very tragic situation happened.

Happened in Memphis. Yeah, the young man who got killed by the five police officers. You were very much you got arrested protesting during the pandemic after the George Floyd thing, which was for Breonna Taylor, or it was for Breonna Taylor. But but I feel like that whole time, just the pandemic just is all mushed together. Yeah, and I think it was a blessing in the sense of like it really gave light to things that just always are happening.

But because everybody was just standing still and not doing anything, it's like, no, this is just clearly super fucked up and it keeps going on. So I think it kind of helped highlight and catapult the movie. I was gonna ask you, like, obviously, protesting it's something that moves the needle because it forces people to see the ugly. Yeah, two years removed from that, what are the things that you're kind of doing or involved in that are you

know kind of that isn't necessarily on camera. I think it's just one step at a time, right, And it's just like whether it be just donating to the right cause it's talk trying to talk to the people who are in power to try to get it done. And I can do a lot more, you know, it's still everybody here. Yeah, for sure, it's what I don't want to sit here and act like a Marcus Garvey, you know, or whoever the case may be. But I think it's talking to the I don't know. I actually don't know

the answers. Honestly, I just don't know. But we can. It's obvious it's a fucking problem. It's obvious. It's a big fucking problem. But I think it's the step that's talking to the people that's in position. I think the police broth. You know, the original police were slave hunters. Like actually, like the original police. It's a real this

ain't shit. I'm just made like the original police. So the infrastructure is just fucked up because the same morals and values of the original police officers were for slave hunters. So now two hundred however many odd eighteen five, so two hundred plus years since slavery was abolished, even in the reconstruction era, Like, sorry for the history lesson, and I also want to make sure I'm yeah so boom so I said to say, the original police were slave hunters.

So now that ship turned into this police construct that we have now, and a lot of the same morales and principalities are just embedded within the system. So that's why it's disproportionate. Yeah, it's it's it's it's like, if the system is broken, how do you tear it down? And rebuild it. Yeah, you know what I mean, because if you think about the Memphis thing, it's like it's a police thing. Like it's like these cops are like there there, it's the it's the institution even no matter

what color. You know what I'm saying. Black police is just did something like that, you know what I'm saying. So it's the institution that they're a part of, because the origins of the institution comes from racism. So this new project, because I feel like album number one you get the Grammy nomination. I actually liked your second album more, thank you, you know, and I just thought it was I thought it was more focused. I agree, I agree,

it was more. My second album was more from It was more polished, Like the lyricisms is better, the songwriting was better. The construction of the album, like the sequencing of it was better. I think it didn't connect at the level that I wanted to because it wasn't as transparent and vulnerable. That's just my opinion. So this album, we don't even know what's going to be on the album. Yeah, we don't know. We including me, you're gonna be on the album? That'd be some weird flex metro it ain't

even on my own album. I got everybody, Yeah, that ain't it, And I need my puck. Like you said earlier, you're pretty much just like Yo, I'm doing what's true to me at this moment, and whoever it connects to, who it's for absolutely, do you give a fuck though about Because when you come out the gate with a Grammy nomination, that's a pretty wild fucking thing to do. No, it's only like eight of us who like debut like debut album nomination. Yeah, it's got to be a gifted.

The curse too, because now you're looked at it a certain light where it's like, well, if you can first I've got the Grammy nomination, you're gonna do it this next one. Do you let that pressure get to you or do you think about it or let it psy like you out at all? Nah? Bro, because I never I was never like the hottest nigga out when I first came out. It's always for me, it's just been

like Booker, Blooker, Blooka, Blooker, Blooker, blooker. So it's been I don't know if that's a weird noise, but whatever, I get it. But it's kind of just been steps at the step. But bro, I've only been in the game. There'll be four years since my first album, five years since I like people started to know my name and know my music and shit, and and so five years since King Kung Fu came out? Be five years in July? What year did I already see? So I've already seen

so many artists just come and go. With this small five, it would be the artist that was the hottest. And I'm not saying no names because it's respect. As long as they able to feed their families, change their family lives, it's love. They still won. They still win as rap as the lottery. So any level of scess you could you could achieve, fucking is better than the rapper pool. Absolutely sure. So I said, I've done seen so many

artists come and go. So I know for a fact I'm being able to make music at the highest level for the next twenty years and still be able to make a great living for the next twenty years off music. I'm not worried about that. It's just about how high am I gonna take? You? How high can I take this ship? And every year I've been leveling up and I've been able to see this literally from my first tour, I did five hundred cap rooms. My second tour, I

did one thousand cap rooms. My last tour, I did two thousand cap rooms, you know, And that's where I kind of base my success that versus first week. These are real humans, it, Bro, that's a real fan because they had to leave their house, get a babysitter, maybe buy a ticket, right fucking get dropped off by their parents, get dropped, call a uber, take a shower, put on some fresh shit, didn't wait in line, no matter what the weather or not. Put on some fresh shit exactly

to see you do what you love. You know what I'm saying versus like a number that can be skewed or falsified. Yeah, a lot of these fucking streams are fake, a lot of them. I mean, I would venture to say, sorry, Dwight, ninety nine point nine percent of these major label fucking artists, there's some sort of fucking little tick on the fucking numbers going on. Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it, bro. And the thing is, it's like I was saying, like, I don't it don't bother me, And I'm not just saying

that because some shit does bother me. I'm a human fucking being. Bro. I got feelings in the motion, But it doesn't bother me with this because I'm seeing real life wins when I'm doing a sold out tour, you know what I mean. And that's that's that's the real

shit that matters. So even when you're selling merch and you're you know, people are supporting you with their where they're that's the shit that d differentiate somebody who can catch a record, catch a moment, and there's somebody who can have longevity and pay their bills and sh you know, and open up a club and turn down million dollars deals from the gap. Absolutely never was a gap guy myself, I didn't. I didn't even know that. It didn't even make it. It didn't even make it back to me.

You should yell at him for that, now, that's cool. I'd like to know if the gap was knocking. I never knew that, honestly, what's up? You're gonn tell me about the gap that never came across my table? Really never, damn. I didn't know. But I say that to say, that's the stuff that don't don't even come to me that you know what I'm saying. So I say this to say, like I say no to a lot of shit, Bro, I just like to do what I'm passionate about, what's on brand for me as a human being, or what

I love to do. Things I'm passionate about things I love. So it's cool, bro. Also, Yo, how did I not make your top ten list last shit? Bro? It's cool? On the which top ten list? Top ten rappers or top ten albums? Damn both. I ain't making me kid, It's cool, by the way, I just I'm not feelings about it. I'm just asking. I mean, I just didn't. I didn't think you had. I mean it was a good year last year. I didn't think he had a top ten album last year. I think you had about

a top twenty. Okay, I respect that. And on the rapping shit, I just think the wrapping list was tough, man, because there was a lot of Brodzer. There was a lot of rapping this nigga kevo. I didn't put ransom on my list. Listen, I did pay thirty eight specials too, though, because thirty eight specih was on five. You don't know thirty eight species trust Come on, bruh, Come on, bruh,

what you gotta do some shit with her? What a lot of hey, listen, a lot of love to everybody, bro, I'm not I just I didn't even know until he told me. Like, yo, you know he told me right before we walked in. You know you ain't make kid top ten. Yeah. A lot of people didn't make my top ten list. That are my friends. Benny the Busher didn't make the top ten list. I think Conway, you might have snuck in. I don't think he did, though,

I actually don't think he did. He might have. But there was a lot of rappers that did not make the top ten list because I put guys like my thing was last year. Like I put a guy like Simba on the list because Simba did the rapper shit last year. That motherfucker hit every outlet. He had moments on these fucking out and he like when I saw Simba, like yo, I'm trying to make sure y'all see me as that motherfucker, so I'm gonna go rap everywhere. And

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I think we're losing a pool of like people that are just genuine music fans like me, bro, I'm just a genuine music right. I remember this one artist dropped the song in a fan were like, Yo, the song was good, but this mix is asked, like, what the fuck do you know about a mix? You know what I'm saying. I think it's too many like you can come. I think a lot of people like yourself, right, you can comment on music because you've been You've done the research,

You've been doing this shit for a long time. You've been around, You've done the research, the history, the knowledge. Like a lot of these kids be putting out hot takes and all of this shit, but not for no information. That's just social media though. Yeah, that's true. So it's just like everyone has opinion about everything every so it's not even music. It's like everyone thinks that they're political experts. Yeah, everybody thinks that they're fucking Skip Bayless or they're fucking

sports that these motherfuckers don't know shit. Like I was sitting with some Phoenix Suns fans that I'm related to in Arizona not too long ago, and with a straight face, they try to tell me that we made the right decision to draft DeAndre a and over Luka Donks And I'm like, well, you just don't watch basketball and you're a fucking loser and never talk to me about sports again. That was crazy. See, yeah, Christmas, you fuck what is

that nigga? DeAndre ain't doing now? You know, he's just getting rebounds and you know, not dunking h despite being seven feet tall. I hope he trade his fucking ass. God bless him. Hey, black man getting money, I'm proud of you, doll me too. Let's I'd like to trade him for another black man getting money A little bit hard. I'm just saying. Top. Speaking of being music critiques, what's your top five albums of all time? Of all time? HM?

Is this subjective? Everything? Subjective. I know that's your list, not the list, your list, uh, top five albums of all time? Yeah, Marvin Gaye was going on, Okay, let's do rap albums. Okay, rewind go, that's all rap albums. Top five The Blueprint. That's one of my favorite albums of all time. Okay, regardless of Genr's soul, I never changed every day. This is just so we got the Blueprint.

It ti urban legend. Ooh okay, somebod. That's someone that had the many fresh shirt of the R right now, the many fresh hats to Bricotta, he said, he said, I gotta cheve, he said, he said. I popped tags on the throw back fast Nigga Please and man knees when I cut my grass. Mm crazy. I just look and shit was tight to me. It was written. Ohs okay, no order obviously, affirmative action, man, affirmative action. Yeah. Oh yeah, Kanye College drop out. That's four. Then Future Dirty Sprite too,

ooh yes too. It's a very diverse five. Yeah. I had to bring somebody from the track world, you know what I'm saying, mm, from all walks of life. That's top five albums. Just just that, just came up that I just been listening to recently. He had that Future twenty fifteen run, twenty fourteen twenty fifteen run. It's kind of crazy when you think about it, like sifty six nights Mons. That just fucking it's insane. Yeah, nuts, Yeah, would you put Future in your top ten all time?

I was just having this conversation like recently with my boy of this generation of this all time rapper ever mm mm it's tough. It's tough, bro Y Top ten is tough, Yeah, tough. He's definitely super legendary. All these little niggas today sound like him. Everybody everybody sound like him and thug super influence, super legendary, super pop culture. Got a classic album? He does? Yeah, longevity reinvented himself. I think it's like seven to eight categories, right, you

got do they have a classic album? Longevity? Quality of albums is overall hit records, moments, and influence, how their peers look at them. Lyricism, of course and bars lyricism bars at the same thing. Yeah, okay, lyricism. He could write the fucking shit out of a song a songwriting ability, Yeah, lyricism, song I would say lyricism and bars to separate because you can put hooks and lyricism, bars songwriting. Yeah, impact on pop culture and influence. You talked about having a

classic album. I just went viral on this podcast I was on because I said that I did not think. Now this goes back to the com station we had, Yeah, that there's albums that are classics to me. Yeah, and I do think each one of these guys have those for me personally, but in terms of how like consensus hip hop classics and nobody could say shit about which of my chronic get Rich of I trying my beautiful dark twist of fantasy, good Kimas City. I don't think Drake or j Cole have a classic in that In

that manner, I would disagree heavily. So which one we're gonna say? Take care in Fourteils Drive, right, I would go Four Sills Drive for sure, classic album. Bro. I think even amongst like the like, non negotiable. For sure, that's a classical album. And I'd agree with that one over any Drake album. For the rest. Nothing was the same as a classic album to me, it is. I think it's his best album for sure. Tusci O look crazy, amazing, just blaze b too right it is. I don't know.

I wouldn't know honestly. So that's a classic to me. And I just don't think everyone sees it that way. Who's everyone though? Who is everyone? I mean, if you were to take a room full of fucking one hundred motherfuckers who are somehow you respect their opinion about hip hop? I don't think everyone would agree with that. I think

everyone would say get Richard Dye Trying is a classic. Yeah, I don't think there you'd find a soul that'd be like, nah, you're crazy, you find mockers just to say it, so you think nothing was the same as a classic? Bro? To me, it is, yeah, take Care as a classic to me. I actually like other j co shit more than Force Hills Drive M. I love cole Man. Shout out to cole What shout out to you? This new album you're gonna drop it gonna be a classic. That's

something y'all, man, I want. I'm not gonna say no shit like that. That's something that people to decide. I have no Once I put it, it's like once you put it out there on the earth, bro, it's just for fucking everybody else to consume and do what they want. Album coming really soon, really soon. No title two. Rapper features up Anderson Pack that's one. What State is one of the rapper features from Chicago? M hm, So you and Dirk No, see, we ain't gonna I said Chicago

because there's so many dope niggas from Chicago. You in common? No, so you and g Herbo. Listen, it's you and Herbal. It's him and Herbal, all right, So look, g Herbo's on the album. It's coming soon. Appreciate you put yes, sir. Appreciate you having a dog,