#252 - Phora

I just feel like kind of in the dust shill, like everything happens for a reason, and a lot of things happened in my life where I felt like I wanted this, I wanted that, and I didn't get those things. But at the end of the day, I kind of accepted, like kind of like accepting fate, manifest destiny kind of thing, and you know, everything kind of just works the way it's supposed to. And I don't feel like I'll be here right now if all those good and bad things

didn't happen. When you say you wanted certain things, are you talking about like industry type success, industry life, you know, success, whether it's success, love, family, things, financial, whatever it is. You know we all want those things, but sometimes we don't get them. Well, listen, man, I got to give your flowers because I know you like have kind of been through the ringer in the music industry. You've obviously been on major labels, You've had a career that's spanned

over that decade now. But like, dude, you fucking are lit. Bro. It's fun. I'm having fun with it, man, It's it's a fun job. I don't know if you still have your store on Fairfax do you nah? Just okay? But you had okay, you had that store for a very long time. On facts right, it was fun. Most of these rappers couldn't sell a fucking concert tationic let alone have a successful clothing line that has a brick and mortar store on one of the most expensive streets in

fucking America. Yeah, it's stressful, man, it's it's a stressful thing to maintain big deal while maintaining a you know, music career, a brand career, a business, you know what I mean, all those type of things. It's stressful. But you know, I just have fun with it and I just kind of you know, literally the album you put out, was it in twenty twenty, your last album? Yeah? Yeah, I would love to you did some crazy numbers man, Yeah, fun that phone with it, Independent, Independent, Klin and Jane

and shout Out to the Hemmies. Hey, all the fucking I hate I understand that. Like it's easy to like compare yourself to other people with your peers or people who you feel like, oh man, I see them on you know, performing at award shows. That should fuck all that, bro, Like you've done a lot of and those are the things I'm talking about, Like I want those, you know, award shows. I want to be at the Grammys here

and be it you know this and that. But at the same time, like I'm kind of just accepting of and grateful mostly of what I have and what's been given to me and what I worked for. But you know, I feel like not everybody has a fair chance, and some people have advantages. But at the end of the day, you just kind of find you have to find what's

you know, what you're grateful for. When you're a hardcore fan base and a lot of people would die for that shit, dog, yeah, Like sometimes you got to like and I'm grateful for it for real, because I wouldn't be I wouldn't be here still ten years plus after. You know, you got some like talk weird fans too, Yeah, crazy, I feel like those are the best ones, most of the women who I've come in contact with who are

Big Four fans are psychos. Yeah, been through. The thing is they've been through a lot of they're like crazy bitches. Yeah sure, Yeah, I've been through it, been through a lot of ships, been through my personal experience, like you have love for you, like you had a personal experience, you had a you had a she set some clothes on fire, or she's you know, busted some windows. Right, Yeah, I feel like we all kind of been through that for sure. For sure, you might have an extra crazy

one though. I just I'm not even women I've necessarily had any sort of personal relationship, but just that I know, I'm just like, oh yeah, yeah, you got like my wife's sister, who's a flaming cunt. She loves you, but she sucks, she's but she fucking loves you. But you know, they might these people, these people like they might need

something or someone. Some of these some of these people have not found the one yet, you know what I'm saying, Like somebody, but they need someone to really be their form and change their life. I've seen it happen too. I've seen someone's life and personality be changed in one day. That's a beautiful thing. Man. How have you been dealing with because you know, I feel like you do live

your life outward online sometimes, right. You know, I feel like we've kind of seen you go through like public, you know, issues when it comes to maybe depression or you know, maybe some of your previous relationships. Just you kind of gone through a lot of stuff and like we've seen it. How are you doing today? That's a good question. Uh. Today, I'm still like the same person. I'm still kind of the same person, but I'm just less.

I try to be less open on social media and everything just because I don't feel like it makes anything better. But the reason why I try to be open on social media is because there's a lot of people out there going through the same shit. You know, we're all human. You could be you get out of ten million followers, ten million dollars, like, life's still gonna hit you. You You

can't get away from life. But at the end of the day, I feel like I feel like I'm I'm just going through the same thing, but I kind of deal with my you know, my thoughts and everything in a different way. Now now that I'm getting older, I talk to people, I uh you know, just have conversations with myself, but I still try to be open. You know, have you got a therapy? I have done to therapy? Was it helpful? No? It wasn't. No. How many times

did you go though? I've been to three different therapists, and maybe I need to find the right one's that's what they say. But I don't know, man, I feel I know it's supposed to be like a judge free zone kind of thing, but I feel like when I'm telling my story not judging, but they kind of don't get it, you know, and it's hard to talk to someone who doesn't get it when you say this, this and that and they're like hmm. But you know, I'm not sure. Maybe I need to you know what you need?

I don't know what I need. You need a hero's dose of mushrooms, that is, that's the truth. Yeah, oh, man, or you need to hop on a plane with your lady go to fucking Costa Rica. Yeah, do some fucking ayahuasca. But but here's the crazy thing. Here's a crazy thing. Serious. I know, I hear you and i' and I've heard that and I've been told that. But I love life, bro. No,

you're gonna love life more. No, listen, bro, I promise you it's not I'm not telling you something like in a negative way, like yeah, everyone, not you, not just yeah, anybody in the world should do psychedelics at least at least once all the time. Yeah. Here's the thing with me, though, I feel like I have a great balance, Like I

love life, but then like I hate life. But having having that pain, having that anger, having that internal flame inside me, pushes me to do certain things, you know, push pushes me to make certain music for people, you know what I mean. Who So, like Aaron Rodgers. He's a football player. So he's fucking back to back NFL MVP this year. He's been terrible. But two years ago he said he went to Costa Rica did ayahuasca and unlocked something in his brain and he's just like, fucking

he's an amazing football player. And I mean he's always been amazing, but hecuse what what changed? He just said that he like understood the world more, he became more self aware, he became more like it really kind of kills your ego. It kind of like, yeah, you should do some shrooms. At least I'm gonna try it. I got some for you before you leave here, you'll have some. Okay. What I like? I like the balance between between happy and side though I don't want to be happy all

the time. I mean, you don't want to be happy all the time, but you also want to like have an understanding of why you're Like there's probably a lot of like repressed ship that you don't even know is there for real? Like I had my homie. Uh I would say his name, but he's an industry guy. Uh he said that he he Well, I knew this guy to be like one of the more degenerate pieces of shit of like all time. Gambled, did a bunch of

fucking cocaine. It's always sniffing blo off hooker's asses. Just a psychopath, right, Okay, great guy though I love him. But he did ayahuasca and he hasn't touched drugs. He hasn't gambled. He got married, had a baby, he got fucking Wow, he's like professionally doing better than he's ever done. Like ayahuasca. So what's the ayahuasca. It's like a it's like a drink, like a tea that stems from a root that is DMT based, but it's kind of like

Paoti different. I'm not too familiar with paoti, but it's it's a lot more intense. You drink it and DMT kind of No, DMT is like, yeah, it is DMT, but it's a slower version of DMC. Like have you smoked DMT? Have you ever smoked MT? No? I haven't. I can't say I have. Yeah, if you smoked d MT, you would just go away for like a half hour

ayahuasca your present in the moment. It's like six hours. Yeah, of like you, but you do it with a shaman to work you through it, you know, and they guide you, they guide you, and then you come out the other side like a fucking Like my friend who we were talking about told me it was like doing thirty years of therapy in six hours. Wow. Is there anyone that it hasn't worked for? Nobody? I know, no one that

went crazy? Like no, I got a couple of homies, so like they go to Costa Rica three times a year just to get there, like get just to get it, get their fucking their mind right. Fuck hey, because you know what, all that fucking all the therapy shit is cool and it's helpful. I think everbody should go therapy, talk to somebody. But like the medicine that they try to put you on some bullshit like medication. All this is some fun shit like do some mushrooms, bro, Yeah,

it is that natural kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like talking to someone is important, though it isn't talking to someone who kind of understands or is willing to listen even if they don't understand. Yes. But the other thing is is you're in a position where a lot of people you probably talk to do they depend on you in some way, in some way, So don't

talk anybody who depends on you for anything. Yeah, but there's there are also people who depend on that aren't like that makes sense selfish, that makes sense, of course, but you know not everyone is like extremely selfish, and some people are willing to, you know, kind of step outside of who they are and understand you feel me no for sure? Man. So this album? What would you describe this album as just in terms of like the motivation, the message? Yeah, you're at I think it's I think

it's just a new me. I took a two year kind of break, didn't drop a project, and before this. I've dropped the album every single year, especially as an independent artist, of course have to do that. But I took like a year, two years off, and I kind of just like did all the bad shit I had to do, did all the you know, did all the self reflecting I had to do, and just kind of did everything. And I feel like it's a new me.

But at the same time, it's just kind of a just a recap of, you know, what I've been through and everything. Yeah, what's the jew I forget the exact day June. What the song about the June six? June six, what's the significance of that date? Yeah, that's that. That's

it's a more of a personal song. I try to get real, like in depth and like deep about someone who you know, obviously I had a you know something with but I felt like naming that song that just because it's a real uh, I don't know that that day when it was, yeah, a bad day or a good day. A good day, Yeah, a good day. So I kind of do that like reflecting on that, and when that day passes by, I'm kind of just like, you know, I don't know. Yeah, but you are pretty

outward with your relationships online. I feel like, yeah, I feel like it's not it's not that out of the box. It's not normal people do that. But do you always like you're a famous guy? Right you people? People? Fucking fucking bro you're late. I like it, man, it's lit. If I'm with someone I like to, I like to show him all. Yeah exactly. But is there any like downside to that? Because I, I mean, I'm not as

popping as you, but I fucking feel the downside. Well, I mean what can be uh NFL players hopping in the d M. I mean what they're like, there's about this? How about this? I said? I said Tupac was overrated in an interview once ship and I didn't even meet it. In like, he's overrated, overrated. I just meant he's not top five, he's like top ten maybe you know, he's like nine to ten two. He's not top two. He's not.

I love and I love Tupac. I'm a Tupac fan, but dude, there was fucking these maniac motherfucking Tupac fans who threatened to murder my wife. They d m her, Oh wow, yes, yeah, that'll that'll get you that And I didn't even say it in a disrespectful way. Yeah. Yeah, So that's social media. Social media is crazy. Social media is crazy. But with me, I feel like I'm just I don't I feel like it's better man to not

really have anything to hide. And of course, like if you don't feel like putting your business out there is cool. But if I'm with someone comfortable with it, I'm comfortable with it. And and like and like I said, whatever happens happens if someone slides into the you know, NFL player and that's it for me, and you know, I guess I get swooped on. This is kind of has happen. Say he brought it up, but I'm saying, Aaron Rodgers

take the check. If Aaron if Aaron Rodgers, if Aaron Rogers swoops and it was that easy, then it wasn't meant to be in the first place. If Aaron Rodgers DMS my chick, I'm gonna be like, go ahead, go ahead. You got to leave it up to give you some tickets. You got to leave it up to the girl to the side. You need some good tickets, that's all I need. Go ahead, handle it. Let me hang out with him once a year, we'll go do Ayahwaska together. Like, how's my ex wife? She's good, She's a nice lady, right

shot to Aaron Rodgers, that's a different level. So for you man, going from starting out in Dependently you're on RCA right Warner, going through the major label situation where it felt like they kind of didn't know what to do with you or it just kind of felt like obviously it didn't work out how you probably wanted it. I'll tell you right now. It was it was just I got to do what I wanted to do, but they also had to approve certain things and I wasn't

feeling it. You know. When I got off Warner, I was able to make music with who I wanted to make music with and blah blah blah like, but when I was on on Warner, I was like, I want to do this is a perfect song for this person. I want to get this record to this person. I have someone that wants to make it and they would like give their personal personal opinions. You know, I even

I just have so many crazy like stories. I was only on the label for two years, but it was just like you got all these people that don't really know music that want to tell you how to make music and who you should make music with and how you should create music, you know what I mean. And it just wasn't wasn't my vibe because you're not in there with all musicians. You're in there with business people, suiting ties, people who know like finance and all that

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get back to the interview. You know, what I realized is a lot of these people in these buildings and these major labels, their number one objective is to not get fired. That's all I care about. So they're like, how can I not get fired? They want to avoid risks, right, exactly right, So their whole thought process is, Okay, I don't want to get fired because I got a fucking mortgage and these fucking kids. I gotta feed in a side, bitch,

and all this other shit gets done. And artists are Risks, and I have this, I have this artist I want to push him to do a song with. I'm playing the numbers game. So and so has got a fucking viral hit or it's hot right now. Let me try to wish that feature to happen, even if it's not organic. Yeah, where you might be like, I would rather do this because it makes sense and it sounds good, and oh that's it. I've I've got the credit. They when I was in Warner I mean no shade, but I was.

They try to push me to do so many songs with these artists whose the most random artists. They try to have you do I don't know, just random, like E. D M kind of thing. I don't even remember the name. It's like, yo, you should do a song with fucking crazy Yeah. And then I was, by the way, every kind of hard marshmows fire. Yeah. It just it just has to it's just bad examples. It has to feel right,

it has to feel right. But I've been in the room and I've sat with like the President and I've been like, oh, you know, I want to do this song, or we're thinking about we want to get this song

done with. There was one time, I was like, I want to get this song done with Juice World, and they're like, oh, Juice World, Like wow, we don't think that's like necessary or we don't think that's early to you know, it was early, super early, and they're like, oh, we don't think And I was like it makes sense, like the sound music kind of things that would have been crazy. They're like, oh no, well we think, you know, we should kind of turn that sad around and we

should do something more up tempo. You know, they always want the up tempo kind of thing. I'm just like, that's not me. That's not what I'm trying to do. Like I'm trying to you know, I have this vision and they're like, oh, well this song and these songs are doing good. It's just too much like like analysis from people who aren't really like taking in, like well,

they're just worried about losing their job. Yeah, that's what it is, and that's what But sometimes they think they know just bably want to put numbers on the wall, bro, but they think they know based off previous numbers, and there's always going to be something, everything's always evolving, yeah exactly, Yeah, sure, they go off the past. So now right now, they're going off like TikTok and and you know it has to be like this, it has to be like this

because this is doing good. But what's after that? You know, what TikTok thing is is the best and worst thing that's probably ever happened there oh music, because it's like it's dope because you get discovered and if you know, there's people who've gotten discovered on TikTok that are actually really talented and yeah, but then there's other ship where it's like these labels are just signing motherfucker's based on a five second clip, a twenty five second of a song.

It's like and then you hear the whole song and you're like this, what is this? You know, but it's giving more power to independent artists. So at the same time, right because people, you know, you have a hit song and you're just like, fuck, I don't need no label. Well talk, It also is good if you're on it and you're doing the right shit, you're creating the right content,

you're engaging with your fans. It's like it's a way to pop your ship, right, you know, Like someone who kind of had a similar career path in terms of like dealing with major labels, starting off independent, ending up independent again. It's like Snow the product. Yeah, she's on Atlantic forever. She's dope, and they fucking fumbled that whole situation. Then she got off and then she went and did a fucking freestyle that went viral. Yeah, and then it

got Grammy nominated. I've seen it. I've seen it. I've known Snow for a long time years, six plus years. She's she's a beast, and she really got that. She got the Latin side to her too, so she got a wild Yeah, yeah, crazy, she's super dope, underrated, under super underrated. What is for you having the type of fans you have? Has there ever been a situation with a fan that like they went a little overboard? We talked about them today. I had I've had stalkers. I've

had stockers. I had people like waiting outside my house like kind of thing like, oh no, where you live? Be with them? Yeah? Yeah, crazy, fucking weird, like real, like real story, like stalker outside waiting outside, Call the cops, cops, chicker, dude, chick Yeah girl, Yeah, I don't know, man, I mean no, but it's not that it's not it's not the attention you want. It sounds like, oh wow, but that sounds terrible. Yeah, it's bad. You call the cops, cops come and they're

just like oh and cops leave. You're like, damn, she's still here here? Then what do you do? You know? And it's just like you gotta get a what's that thing called order of protection? Man? But what order of protection? It's like where they can't restrain in order. Yeah. I don't even know the person's name or who they are or anything about them. And I'm like, we're all scared to go down there. We don't know if she's there with the knife or anything. That's fucking crazy. You can't

even sleep, you're outside the window. Yes, crazy, it's crazy. Would you say because you have had some You've had some pretty crazy like brushes with almost losing your life over the years, MANE was it last year that someone tried to shoot at you were going to Vegas? I think it was like last year, two years ago. Yeah, and then something like that also kind of happened in like twenty fifteen, twenty fifteen. Yeah, I got I got shot, got object. Yeah. I mean, you've had some serious brushes

with death. LA is crazy though, it's fucked for sure, it's only getting worse. But do you like when that has happened to you. I had a similar situation. I didn't have anyone try to kill me almost kill my fucking cell phone. Not not on purpose, but uh yes, it like shook me. Man. I'm like, damn, I could have fucking like literally died. Like, yeah, you know, I've

I've had a lot of experiences with that. One thing I kind of learned is like riding around with you know, in the lambos and three corvettes following behind you and riding around in these cars and just being kind of loud. It's not really like the smartest thing to do or the safest thing to do, you know. And I used to roll around like that a lot, but these days I'm kind of like more, I'm just smarter about it. I don't really like the all the crazy, loud, bright

color cars. You seem to be like a pretty peaceful guy. Yeah, I could get wild at times, No, but I just mean in terms of like you put a lot of positive energy into the world. Ye. Your music is like it's not very negative. It's not like you're talking like a bunch of crazy, but I like to have fun though. You do like to have fun a lot of fun. You do like to have fun sometimes on Instagram life. Yeah, sometimes your ig lives fucking starts up, bro, you know.

But you know, I just the older I get, the more I realize, like, Okay, I gotta move smart because and I've learned from a lot in the past, but now I'm just like, Okay, if we go somewhere, if we do something, we have to be strategic and militant, and you know, moved the right way, especially with what's going on, you know, these days, it's just it's fucked right now, It's fuck it's too crazy, yeah, because LA's kind of always had that element, right, But it's like,

I feel like the ed D thing was so strong here compared to everywhere else. Yea, I had I had friends that were coming here from out of town, yeah, to like commit edd fraud and they didn't get it from here, but they were just getting money money. Yeah, And that's what we're talking about that too. And I think people are just getting away with shit out here and they're just like fuck, like not fearing the consequences and not knowing, like what's what's going to come back?

So people are just down to do whatever they were just like you could find like a homeless guy and just paying for his social and his information and then collect I fuck I home. He's hitting the ATM for like five or six grand every Friday. Just mask yes and that's it and that's it. And it was so easy. I was like, what the fuck is going on? Bro, They're trying to convince me to do it. I thought about it. I'm like, wow, I'm like, yo, y'all are getting away with this ship. I'm like what But what

I feel this is fucked. I feel I've never seen that ship happened. Like, I've never seen people get money so easily in my life. So it was like scary. It's almost like the Bitcoin thing, where's like it might be a little fucked eventually, Like but what I fear is karma though, because it always comes back, you know. Yeah, So I was. I thought about it. So I'm like, damn that comes it comes back to federal prison. Federal

prison is how it comes back for you. Oh yeah, everyone's going to prison right now for sure, especially with the VPS. Oh my god. Oh man. There was a guy later you're going to jail. There's a huge company, huge company, one might venture. We might be wearing some of this brand in this room right now. They're in Orange County, Okay, the owner imagine starting a business that's fake and then so you not to put if I

say too much. This motherfucker did all this ship and then got a fucking he started a whole new business just to fucking get a PPP own with pretty much fake employees, made everyone work like one hour, and then bought a fucking private jet. Crazy, And now the Alphabet boys are on their ass and it's like, Bro, what'd you think was gonna yeah? Done? What did you think was gonna happen? Yeah? This is I mean, especially you do it on a big level like that, they're gonna

find you. I think that that that that that is also a big attribution ast to why like LA's kind of gotten a little more crazier because like people got a little bit of taste of that, you know, and they want and they want it and they want more. So it's like, are you pretty like uh careful about like not like if you're gonna go out to eat or something, not posting or like I mean even like

bars leaving the story at home. Oh yeah, well when I go anytime I go out anywhere that's not like down the street or if like I'm in a public situation like this is a private situation, so yeah, a podcast. But if I go out to eat food, like I'm wearing shorts like dirty shoes in a hoodie and like nothing, no, no, nothing, and I'm just like, no one's gonna look twice at me because I'm just like I have nothing for you, bro, you know, yeah, but you can also always I'm trying

to push this narrative to rappers and start rocking fake jewelry. Yeah, who gives a fuck? Yeah, who's gonna question I've had my share of. You know, if you're a little baby and you have a fake like fucking Rolex besides fake watchbuster, he's gonna call you out for sure. Yeah, but who's gonna question you? Fuck? That's what no one, no one, no one could walk up to a little baby with a diamond testing. I'm like, funk off, bro, Yeah like what he don't even got to say. He got his security,

he got his people, yo back up? Yeah you know do you? Yeah? I mean, not a bad idea when you first got into the game, did you do the fake jewels? Of course, just because, And it's less about like, oh, fake dreelry, but more like people kind of give you, gift you this and that, and you find out like, oh, he's not giving me real diamonds. He's giving me you know, and it's cool, like fuck, I'll take it. Whatever. That happened to me. And I was living in Tampa and

shout out to my guy, Jane the jeweler. He does all russ Is jewelry. Great guy, but Jane gifted me this giant fucking Jaine and I'm thinking, I'm rocking some real shit. It's happened. It's happened to me. For that ship was played as fuck and the diamonds were not real. But if it's free, it's free. And if it looks good on you, fucking why not. And if you and if you get robbed, you're kind of just like take it. Yeah. No. My boy was like he gave you that, and he

was like, let me see it. He just held it. He's like, it's not real. I was like, I don't know shit about jewelry. How active do you plan on being after now? Obviously you were talking earlier. You know, you're used to kind of dropping yearly. Are you gonna make fans wait a lot longer this time or no? I think I really just it was just these kind of like two years or that year and a half, and I needed to take that time off to really kind of you know, find myself and self reflect, like

I said, But now I'm on go mode. I have one hundred plus songs already already already planned out, ready to come out. So I'm ready to go. And with being independent, I kind of look back on it, I'm like, why did I wait so long? But it's more of a personal reason because now in this day and age especially, you have to be consistent. You have to be ten times more consistent than four years ago, five years ago, six years ago. You're in competition with everyone. Now yeah

it is everybody. Everybody who has an iPhone, you're in competition with them. And you're not only competing with with other artists, you're competing with just attention. Yeah, I don't, bro, I'm telling you, bro, Like I'm a huge rap fan and I listened to I listened to I mean, I put in my Spotify recap I think I listened to like twenty eight thousand minutes of music or some shit.

But Broby on podcast Dog, Yeah, Like, if I'm riding around, I'm usually listening to somebody talk about fucking fantasy football or sports, or Joe Rogan talking about ayahuasca and artists and musicians. They're in competition with Well with that shit for sure, everything because you just need the attention. What are you doing in your spare time these days? Like, how do you spend time? It's funny you mention it. I gamble a lot. I have a lot of fun

doing that. I play everything, poker, black jack, everything kind of you know. I mean, listen, I happen to be a degenerate. Yeah, and it's same. You say that in a very like playful way, but oh, it's not playful. You've probably had some terrible nights where you wanted to fuck it. Bro I've been at the casino and I've

genuinely thought about robbing people. Yeah that's not recently, not recently, but like ten years ago, like twelve years ago, when I was doing radio in Vegas, and I'd be at the fucking Mandola Bay across the street from the radio station, I'd be down like three bands. When it's like my fucking everything I made for the month, I'll just start. I'll be like, yo, man, I go to this fucking high roller room and try to catch somebody fucking slipping. Yeah, mana, yo,

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month for free. Let's get back to the interview. So do you do you you play everything equally? Yeah, I play everything kind of equally. You know. What I learned about gambling is everything it opened my eyes to, like not even money. But everything is relative, you know, So when when someone loses one hundred dollars, it's like I've seen rich people lose, you know, at a table in an hour. I've seen them lose five hundred thousand dollars.

But everything is relative. So when you see someone rob someone or kill someone over you know that one hundred dollars and you're like, oh, it's just one hundred dollars. It might have been you know everything, yeah, exactly, and every It kind of like put everything into perspective for me and seeing all these different walks of life, like play with all this different type of money, and it's opened my eyes, you know, to like to how kind of fucked up and twisted money is, you know it.

And it made me value money a lot less, you know how, because I used to be like, Yo, this is what money is, what we need to survive. But I've just seen so so many things, so many crazy gamble there. It almost like desensitizes you to the factor giving money. It feels like you're playing a game, yeah, because they give you the chips and it's like this is little chips and then you walk away, you go you go home, and then and you're like, oh, that

shit was real moneys. Yeah. The worst is like I have a friend who's made millions of dollars gambling, but I've also seen it like he goes to the high limit slots and he'll do loser. You'll do like thousand, two thousand of fucking spin And like I've seen him hit for like nine hundred k yeah, like one point two million, but I also see him lose. I've also seen him been down three hundred thousand dollars on one day, and I was like, it's a part of it. My god.

What is your biggest uh win in gambling and the worst night you've ever had in terms of loss of homes. I've had bad nights, but y'all like just little little nights. My biggest win in gambling was about quarter million on my birthday, And it was like, I was like, what the hell like cause I don't really like I believe in luck, but I believe in like like reality too, you know, Like I don't think like you go to Vegas and you just you're gonna win because it's your birthday.

But I won quarter million on my birthday and I'm just like, what were you playing black blackjack? Only? Yeah? Quarter million? That was like a slow come up now. I was like one day, you know what I mean in terms of like you know, some some people will sit down at a slot machine and hit a quarter million in fucking life, oh yeah yeah, or they'll play roulette, and you know roulette you could win fast like black I was just slow. Yeah, it's not slow. When you're

betting five thousand, ten thousand, it's pretty fast. You'd be there for three four hours. You either lose everything or you win up to fifty to fifty. And I'm like, that must have been the best birthday of your life. I was like, this is so crap. I was telling my girl. I was like, this is like is this birthday? Look like? What's going on? It was? My goodness, it

was I can't imagine a better birthday. Yeah, ever, yeah, but then it also made me realize, like, you know, all this money, like, uh, it's it's I don't know. I don't have been a fucking problem that night. Bro, don't let me be up to fifty on my birthday in Vegas. Be at the fun. I don't know if you know who he is, you know Mickey, Mickey, the dude who'll be rolling around Vegas crazy. That's my Homi. He's he's like I learned from him, the real degenerate life.

Like he's he's he's won millions, millions and a weekend stretch. There is like real like strategy if you really gamble the right way, that all it's luck base, But there is certain things like roulette. There's certain ways you could play exactly where you have like an advantage on the house if you got a big enough bank roll. That's the only the only advantage you have really in gambling. You just have to have the bankroll, you know, don't try to to be able to back your losses. Yeah, exactly.

So if you play, you playlet. Yeah. So have you ever done the strategy where you bet two thirds at once? So, yeah, the second, third, third, third, first second. Yeah, but on the first song that's one of those two hits you're and then if you lose, you triple each time, and then when you eventually hit, that's like a slow, slow strategy. You got to sit there. I like to drink, I like to have you know. When I was living in Vegas, Yeah, that's what I would do. I'd go to like Fremont

Street where it was like it worked out for you mostly. Yeah, but I'd be there for like five or six hours and be up like four hundred bucks. But for me at the time, I was messing year. It's yeah, it's it's all relative. But Roulette's fun. I like to bet on the numbers because when that shit hits you just get high. You're like, no, that's the dopamine hit of winning in gam is like nothing else. Yeah, and that's

why it's a problem. Like when I watch sports and I have a bunch of money going on a fucking game and it's close and I win, bro, it's like I have thirty orgasms. Yeah, no, for real, that's what. But that's why when I problem, that's why it's addicting. I'm fucking sick. Oh, I've been there. I've been there. Yeah, stumbach. So my worst gambling stretches always had to do with sports, and it was always sports betting from my house. Yeah, I've had some rough run when I gamble, man, I

really like to just have fun. If I'm there stressing or anything like that, it usually never works out for me. And it's kind of a waste when you lose, because it's like, damn, you didn't. So if you were up to fifty in a night, the biggest worst night that you've walked away, noise, nothing, nothing bad because I don't I'm not like doing anything crazy. Maybe you know ten twenty thirty, I like that, but you know, everything, it

kind of all even I'd probably be divorced. Yeah, i'd be like, sorry, shit's uh, you know, I don't know what happened. I was James Harden fucked up. Blaming on the players. It's literally all I could do, right because I lost like fifteen Christmas Week ones. Oh no, Christmas Week, that's the one. I just blamed it on James Harden because it was his fucking fault. That's the worst Christmas Week.

Fuck James Harden. Yeah, I love Vegas. Man. There's a guy named Mike White from the Jets who fucking started a game last year against the Bengals cost me ten bands. Fuck Mike White too. Yeah, you got sports gamis fun now? Yeah, I'm just not too not too in the sports. I feel like you have no control. And the other thing, too, is like you could also bet on like these like really zany weird like celebrity boxing matches, yeah, which I haven't done yet. I've seen. I have not done that.

But there's like online sports books that will like take your like blue face fight money or whatever whoever's fighting, like yeah, and it's like those I feel like you can kind of figure out, what do you think about tanking Garcia? Oh? Who would win? I like Ryan Garcia. Yeah, school, I played poker with him before a couple of times. Nice, I think once something like that. Who would you take? Oh man, I don't I don't know tang Man, but

I feel like he's just the beast. Yeah. He's also like the kind of guy that like, I don't know, man, some of these boxes he's he's like a fucking he's like, you know, he might as well be part of y Sol the way you'd be fucking acting. I like that ship. I'm like, bro, you gotta chill out. Bro, you're a fucking professional athlete. Dog like that. Can't just be threatening. People want to be entertained, man, I like that ship. I'm like, dog, they gonna put a rico on you. Bro,

chill out. Motherfucker's beefing with every rapper alive for I'm like, no, why are you beefing with rappers? Yeah? People want to be entertained, man, People like that shit. No, he's dope. Especially this day and age, you just got to be outlandish crazy. That's why I six ' nine had so

you know, people want to be entertained. And still to this day, when someone talks about six ' nine, they'll be like Yeah, fucking they might hate him, they might love him, but they're always gonna say, like, I miss him all my timeline. He was entertaining why I say this about six ' nine. Well, in general, what you just said, the outlander shit only lasts so long. Oh,

of course, it's no longevity in that. But at least six ' nine, who was pretty much mastered the Internet at the time, at least he had some good records. He did, he had some records that didn't suck. Yeah, yeah, I mean, Gamo was a joint in the club, Yeah, bangers. Even the Nikki record was fire like that. Uh what was that shit called Kiki Kiki whatever? The fuck? Y'all know, he'd be having all these fucking weird ass song games. But at least he had some records to kind of

back it up. Yeah, but because it wouldn't have worked if he didn't, he's I mean, it would have worked momentarily super a lot more gimmicky though. Yeah, it would have worked in the sense of like Little Pump works, you know, and I guess they probably had similar careers. And by the way, for the second time, and uh, fuck Little Pump he put my number up on his fucking story. Fuck him, damn because I was it because the J cole thing. Yes, you saw that right? Yeah.

Oh by the way, I love J cole Man, Jacob No, No, so me and Pump we're cool. Like I've always defended him throughout the years. Yeah, a fucking solid question. Ask. I figured this kid might have been humbled from the last few years. Let's have like a conversation in which he can actually kind of seem like a dude and not like a fucking clout robot. You know that was wrong? Yeah, hey man, some but sometimes I on that kind of subject, like some people don't want to kind of admitt kind

of like where they're at. You know, well, dude, like that's the thing is, like you don't really participate in a lot of that, and you're you have a track record of like like, dude, you've made more money off of rap music than ninety percent of your peers and it's not even close. Fuck, these motherfuckers aren't getting woralty check. It don't seem like it though. No, but they're not

getting royalty checks. Nobody's getting royalty checks. They're fucking getting their advance and then they're parlaying that into show money or whatever the fuck, but motherfuckers ain't getting woralty checks, right, like Meek Mill. I think he just said his whole career on Atlantic. I think he said, yeah, I've seen that. It was like a wildly low amount of money for as many records, like a million dollars or something something crazy. I said. He asked how much Going Bad made at

like twenty five million. He's like, how much did I make off that song? No one told him anything. I'm like, man, so that's the problem, though, Like, that's those are the that's label issues, right, but stay away. But this is the thing, right, Like it's a gamble because you could also be the guy who's independent who well, you could be the guy who really ain't who you're. You might be a flash in the pan and someone offers you a two million dollar deal. Yeah you better take that. Hey,

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people think sometimes. I think Bettle Pump did that. He got a bag, and good for him. You gotta bet on yourself. And when you're an artist and if it happens quick, then I get it. But if you're if you're building up and building up and building up and you see it's working for you and you have a shot and this shit, bet on yourself, man, gamble on yourself and fucking don't take that quick money that you know,

instant gratification, build it up, keep going. It might take five years, but where you're gonna be like like rest these days, who like kind of like pamped the label for two albums and then got the fuck out and stillings his masters and now he's you know, like he just ops a song every week or every two weeks. It's like you just do what you want, you feed your fans. Yeah, and that's a that's another thing. But it's also aside from the label thing, it's not following

the trends, you know. And I don't think I don't think he followed like super trendy, like what was going on in the music when like when Pump was hot, Like you know, there was a lot of people trying to do that, you know, coloring their dreads doing all that. Pump was like, he's like the he's like the Cloud era, like mascot for sure, But everybody followed his whole fucking those three years or every four years we given like

six nine low. He followed a lot of like the Pump ship even like oh yeah, I mean, I mean fucking shock, you know what I'm saying. Shot shot, Yeah, value, there was the fuck I'm not even gonna say to do his name because I was dming with him Chief. He set the tone for a lot of ship too. There's there's there's a bunch of people, the Clone guy, what's his fucking name? I was just dming with him because he's mad that I forgot his fucking name. Clone

kid Boo, kid Boo, Yeah, shots kid Boo. I'm having on the pop. I guess we're gonna a really honest conversation about his whole fucking thing. But that was, like, yeah, an egregious era of music. Oh, it was all it was. I think they call it the SoundCloud era. SoundCloud. I want to say Supreme pat everything was Supreme Patty got a record deal. I think he did know Supreme Patty. Supreme Patty the lemon juice in his eyes got put out a record that was produced by Scott storchro Wow,

shout out Scott, that's my guy. Get the bag. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure somebody gave him a deal. I don't want to speculate on which company it was, but let's just say it's a number. The company is named after a number. I'm pretty sure they gave him a bag. I might be wrong, but the fact that and Supreme

Patty is a nice kid. But the fact those kind of people are getting record deals in the cloud era, let me let me let me say this man, the industry, these labels, it's it's like at first, it was like embarrassing, but they tried to hide it. Now they just don't have any pride, Like they're like, fuck it, we're already embarrassed. They just did the fake crypto rapper. Yeah, they're like, we're already fucking losing. We're just gonna fucking go all out.

You know how when someone just gets super desperate to fucking just start doing ship and they're fucking you're just like, dude, you don't have no fucking shame. I feel like right now, that's where we're at with fucking labels. They're just like, Oh, he has a fucking hot TikTok five second slippe, like we need him, we need him. It's just it's embarrassing that fake AI rapper that Capital signed and then dropped

within five days because of the outrage. What was the name of that fucking you know what I'm talking about? There was like this meta rapper who was like a oh my bad, so what I'm but it was like a fake rapper right that they made on the metaverse and fn Mecca right, so that dude, well, it's not a dude. It's a fucking like an avatar that was like saying the N word in its music and like I never heard it. I'm I'm surprised I never heard

of bro. It was all over the place for about two weeks, but so so Capital announced that they signed the first ever AI rapper, right. But then once you dive into it, you're like, oh, this is just kind of like a lot of black stereotypes. And the people behind it, from what I understand, you would know more than me because she worked with I'm not sure that

the person who created it was black. Am I tripping the guy behind the exactly right, right, So it was almost like the Milli Vanilli thing, but with like a cartoon, right, and it was just like it was the cringiest ship I seen what I think. What I think is labels and all these things they want like instant gratification kind of thing, like they don't value longevity anymore. They don't value good music or just artist development, yeah, or artists development.

But then I get it, because so much shit's going on, they just want to grab, you know, grab whatever's coming to the numbers game. Man, I'll sign a fifty acts and hope one of them becomes a weekend Yeah, But the independent artists like me and and you know all these other artists that are doing it. The right way. We're we're playing the real numbers game. We're trying to make We're trying to be here for twenty years. What's your distro is? Are you doing like distro caunidation? Oh

you do for Shout out my guy Lee. Yeah, shout out Lee Lee. When I was when I was on when I was on Warner, Lee was the radio guy at Warner, of course he was. Yeah, shouts to Lee. He just announced today he's got he's got a big, big thing coming. Shout out to my guy Lee. What is he doing? What is he doing? He just left? Oh wow, he announced that today. So he's going to Uh, well, I can't say he's going. Yeah, my distribution Foundation is done.

I want to say more for me than any well then Warner than you know, and Warner had my masters and now I'm just doing Lease great guy man. Yeah. Foundation is a great company. Yeah, amazing. And the one thing about Foundations, you could just call Lee and be like, Ao, what I'm trying to drop some ship tomorrow, and who's good. Let me call the stories. We'll figure it out. Yeah, let's do it. Shout out to Hey, that's dope. I didn't know you were on the Foundation. That makes sense though. Yeah,

I've been with them for about two years. I did my last project with them too, it makes sense, and that last project was did Numbers Bro. You were on hell A Playlist and that's in Foundation helped with that. Feel like a couple of years ago you were. I felt like I was like Forest kind of hanging out with some of these industrydutions a little. I gotta try to pull them back in a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I almost got pulled back into I was like, oh,

there were certain people mentioning you to me that. I was like, yeah, you like seven figure deals on the table. I bet you did. I might need this right now, like I bet you did. But when it comes to building catalog, you gotta really, you gotta you got to bite the bullet and think long term, right, you know, especially for me. For me, if I if I only made music for two years and I have a seven figure deal on the table, I'm like, let me take it, you know. But now I'm kind of like, man, I've

had this seven figure deal to that include your independent catalog. No, okay, well then that's that's different because you know a lot of that's what they're doing now. They're like, we want to roll up your whole ship. Everyone wants catalogs now, everyone for sure. But but yeah, I was like, I have songs that are already making second seven figures. I have songs that are you know, not albums, just singles that already did seven figures. Like I just need to

push another one or two of those out. I don't need to sign for four albums, sign for three albums with you for saying like you have like a lot of dude, I mean fucking you got songs with people that the fact that you were able to have a Kailani and Janet feature on an independent project and like, you know, that's a big deal man. That says a lot about your relationships that you built over the years. Yeah, and it takes, it takes grind, it takes hard working,

especially artists of that statue. Well, those are also the type of artists that have high artistic integrities going to don't want to work with someone and you can make the greatest music, but they don't want to work with you if you have any you know, they also like art the time. I'm assuming like you just can't pay for like features from some of these artists oh no, you know, they gotta love this song, got to be great. It has to be something that's like, yeah, I'm gonna

do it. And most of the time, you know, those are artists that will really just get in there and just do it and create because they love music. It's way I'm in. It's weird because I'm in both industries. You know, I'm in the R and B and I'm in the rap, and I see the difference. I feel like the R and B side they really appreciate music a lot more and they're less of like trying to bang out a bunch of songs and just get in the studio and I'll put the shit out. There's a

lot more integrity behind it, you know. In the rap world, it's a little more aggressive, like fuck it, We'll just do this shit. It's a lot it's a lot more like fake and toxic and twisted for sure. Well, I mean, like I think like you. I mean, nowadays, you know, guys like Road Waiver considered hip hop. I mean I'm sure, like sure he's got like you know, but it's like

you guys are and be hippy. You guys are really just doing like kind of like your own thing, Like you know, it's almost like when like people would consider post Malone a rapper, I'd get like sick when I would hear that out loud. I'm like, he's just an artist. Yeah, he's an artist, dude, Like you're one of the to me, you're an artist, like you could rap, you could do this seeing melodic ship, but you're like an artist. Yeah

you know what I'm saying. So but you know, but there's those worlds like rap world, where it's like like these are rappers, Like Doja Cat is a rapper technically she raps. She's also like too though, yeah she's a pop star bro like she's a fucking yeah. When I see like, yo, she's the hardest female rapper, I'm like,

but then you'll get really look at her in that lens. Yeah. Yeah, But you'll get into those industries where it's like this is this is R and B. This is like these people are the most R and B you could get, Like you know that R and B shit is firing. I think R and b's have like a dope like four or five year run of kind of coming back and yeah, the soul music side of ships, like uh yeah, there's just been some great R and B shit getting made.

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fun type thing. I'm like, but you know, just get drunk in the studio and just vibe and have a good time and whatever happens, whatever we create and feel good about. We just kind of put together like that. But yeah, she's she's amazing and talented, and yeah, I don't want to make it work. Man, if you put her on your album, I know, right, that's what One of the songs with her goes like double platinum, right, and then you have to perform it and you guys

break up. Like, I feel so bad for our good friend Gezy because I me, man, that's my god, not me myself, and I the fucking him and I and that record is a smash. He has to perform the song, but it's him and his axe talking about each other. But you know record, I think, I think, and this is kind of how I see it too, like like once again, like whatever happens happens, and life can lead you in a million different ways. But I've seen him. I've seen him perform it without her after the whole

thing too. And and I think, you know, as when you grow, when you get older as adults, you kind of just accept certain things and you realize, like, you know what, this was a beautiful thing at the time. This was a beautiful moment at the time, and I'm still going to respect that instead of letting that eat away at me or become bitter about it. What was it like touring with him? Oh, man maniac ship Right, Yeah,

let's let's just say it was fun. They set up like the little pre party and after party, little section still house. Yeah, Vibes. Trippy was on that tour too with us Me Me Gazy and Trippy. Yeah, We're had it a lot of real debauch. Yeah, yeah, I think I might have signed a contract. I cannot say. I can't say anything. I didn't sign ship, but some of the fast nights of my life for that crazy white man. Yeah,

it was fun. Man. Jeez is an amazing dude. Man, Tippy has fucking seen a lot of success bringing that fucking Cinnamon Apple, fucking Still House House and the Mint Stillhouse. By the way, he's not with Steel House anymore from what I hear from what he told me actually, so uh yeah, Well look, man, I appreciate you pulling up Go Sport the new album Butterfly Effect. It's out, yes, sir,

more than music on the way anything else. Is the clothing line still booming obviously, Yeah, man, we're re rebranding the clothing line. I had some I just had some internal kind of things, conflicts and stuff like that where I had with you know, people I trusted and people that didn't really you know, suit what I was going through and you know, my views on things. But I stepped I had to step in and kind of control everything and rebuild it the way I wanted it to be.

But just so much shit. I spent so much time on the brand, and I think, uh yeah, just bringing in people that you know, weren't really good for me or whatever, and you know, being able to trust people. I trusted people that maybe I shouldn't have or put too much trust into people. I'm gonna be honest, bro, I've met two or three random dudes that they were your manager of the last like three years for sure, and I'm like, I don't know, I don't know if

I'm the problem. I don't know if like very random dudes, yeah, R'd be like, oh yeah, that's the homie hit me yeah, and then I give them my number and then they just keep hitting me on some like hey, yo, it's for as manager. And I'm like, bro, the industry, I mean, you know, but it's it's crazy. You just got to be careful. We keep around you, bro, right. And I'm learning that because I usually because I move with good intentions and I expect the same of others and I

think the same of others. But it's not always like that. You know how many people have like for or Yours Truly tattoos? Too many? We're looking at pictures the other day it's straight like my face, you know, my whole like from Upper Torso just tattooed, Like it's crazy. It's crazy. The Yours Truly logo too, like it's it's insane, man. Every time I see it. If someone gets your face tattooed on them, is there a benefit that comes? That's

that's a good question. I mean, you're not a direct benefit, but if I see it, I'm just like, I'm gonna remember them forever, right, you know, if I like to get into the show, not like that. If you know, and even people that don't have you know, my face or my name tattooed, like I connect with my fans group chats, you know, Instagram. If someone's like, yo, I got your name tattooed. Me and my sister and me and my cousin want to get in, Like, I'm like, yo,

I'll put you on the guest list easier. I want everyone at my shows. I don't. I'm not like, oh, fucking you have to pay the fifteen. If it gets out of hand and you end up like you know, like Tech nine and Strange Music, where like all their fans have like some sort of tattoo, You're not fucking making any money on the road. But that's where you want to get man, because it's not about ticket sales or album sales. It's about people. You want to touch

the people yeah, and that someone tattooed forever. You know, they're they're a fan of you forever, you know. Yeah, I've seen that work the bad way too, with ICP tattoos. Oh yeah, the hatchet Man. Yeah, they're crazy. Yeah, Juggalo Juggolo vibes. Yeah, there's like fifty year old dudes teaching fucking seventh grade that were ex Juggalos. Nice and they'll never be able to get rid of it. I have you've been to the Gathering of the Juggalos. I actually was.

I've never been, but they tried to book me to do something there in like twenty fifteen, and I was like, once you go Juggalo, you never go. Yeah, I want to go. I would love to. I think they get a I think they get a bad, bad rap because I think they're really like good people. I've seen a lot of like videos and stuff on like Gathering of the Juggalos, and they're really their whole model and their whole thing is like family for sure, you know. And I love that it's like a cult kind of thing.

And it looks fun. Yeah, it looks like white Latino. There's a fun hut there. Yeah, it's crazy and people it's like a it's an open, free environment. There's a drug bridge. Have you heard about the drug bridge? No, but so they got a bridge, sounds like, and you go to the bridge. Yeah, and it's anything you want, man, but it's I I gotta give my respects to those people because for sure, for sure, you know, shout out to the Juggalos. I'm for Phoenix. We got none but

Juggalos there, but they got it. I heard. I mean, this is my boy, jelly Roll told me. Jelly rolls like jelly Roll. Yeah, He's like, bro, they got a fucking tent there. That's just you just go in and everyone's fucking and he's like, bro, but it's like the type of people you don't want to see fucking He's like, bro, they look like me, broy, Man, everyone needs someone. The stench in that motherfucker is crazy. Everyone needs someone. Can

you imagine? Like Juggalos don't have the highest personal hygiene. Based on my experience with them over the years, and I've had vast experience with them, I've been to some ICP shows that whole c P, cotton Mouth Kings, Strange Music, fucking yeah, yeah, shout out. There were guys yeah, good people. They just misunderstood. Let's call them misunderstood. Did you grow up like you grew up in Cali? Where the cotton Mouth Kings popping? I mean, I don't know. They might

have been done from Anaheim. They're from Riverside? Are they from? They were OC guys. I mean maybe some might have came from OC. But I think there's seven then, I E. Thing the hot, the high white socks, a little spade socks, and the big monster trucks. Cotton Mouth Kings. Yeah that's r H. Yeah, stoner's weak ston it Yeah, yeah, look at us all right, shout out to the I E. That's what I man. Appreciate you pulling up, brother, Yes, sir fire