#25 - JR Writer

You know, the funniest thing I saw on YouTube was someone said that I had horrible posture on a YouTube comment, and I gotta fix that. I don't want to have bad posture, bro, I really don't want that to happen. So been looking at all the feedback though, getting a lot of positive feed back. Besides this white motherfucker don't know rap music that seems to be the commonality amongst most of the comments. But with that being said, go fuck yourself. I know plenty more about hip hop than

you'll ever fucking know in your life. Anyway, Today's a crazy day the election recording this the morning of November three, and no matter where you fall on the political spectrum, it's safe to say that this election is gonna be like none we've ever seen in our entire life. So

fuck Donald Trump and let's see what happens tonight. We got a dope episode today JR Ryder, who was a part of like the new dip Set crew that you know when when Dipset introduced, like hell Rel and Forty Cow and Jarl Ryder, there was a real dope energy about those three dudes, specifically hell Rel and Jarl Ryder. It kind of felt like they were gonna take the Dipset flag and run with it for like another ten years. Unfortunately,

that's not really what transpired. As we all know, there was plenty of Dipset family issues and the gang broke up. Gr Rider with Jail. But he's an incredible dude man, incredible artist, incredible MC and I was just like, you know what, he was just gonna come up here in freestyle and I was like, Nah, fuck that man, Let's do an interview, bro because I think we can have a dope conversation. I've talked to JR in the past and we had a dope conversation. So we do have

a freestyle with JR Rider coming out on Friday. And if you guys have been paying attention, we started a freestyle segment for the podcast for the YouTube that's gonna be once a week, so if you subscribe to the YouTube channel, you'll notice once a week we have a new freestyle coming out. You know, we did Benny the Butcher and Hem from BSF. We did Simba last week. This week we'll have JR. Rider and Yeah, just trying

to just crank out as much dope content as possible. Also, gonna be doing more episodes of the podcast that you know, when we first started the podcast, we were doing I was doing more. I did a couple of episodes rather where I was just talking to my boy about shit right like ranking albums and just kind of not necessarily interviews. So I'm gonna start doing more of that, and we're gonna start doing some live stream stuff on Twitch on YouTube.

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twenty five. Let's go ending up on TV with his wife. It like hurt my whole entire soul. Dan, I'm such a big jipset fan. I was like, damn, I mean, I'm not saying that Jim Jones hasn't obviously, No, it's a fact because that's what they said about social media. How it kind of like ruins the mystery behind the artist,

the aura. It's like, oh, he's posting about everything. Was when we was coming up, it was like I just got what I got, all the mixtape and whatever it was in the Double XL Yeah, and if you happen to see somebody, you see them. But in whatever interview they did on Rap City, yeah, exactly exactly or magazine Double XL One of those, but now it's like now it's like so transparent and they want they want you to be transparent. Honestly, that's the only way niggas fuck

with you. Yeah, are you ready all right your butlet cap podcast. We've got the writer of writers. Yeah, you writers here, ladies, Jev, thanks for having me back. Man, welcome. What's your first time on the boutleg Cap podcast. Yeah? We actually had Real ninety two three before. Yeah, shouts the DJ HADJ had, the covid is shut down the radio station. Yeah, it's quiet, so we're here at my studio. Well, how you been, man, I've been good man, just working.

So give give us like a rundown and everything you got going on right now. I'm dropping the album October thirtieth. I would call it an EP because my album coming after like a few of those. But I'm dropping on October thirtief this Friday. It's called I Really Wrapped. Two shout outs to thirty eight Spett, shout outs to Royster five to nine, shout outs to Davy, shouts the Fred money, and shouts to all the producers on there that produced fire top to bottom. You know, I don't play man,

You and take I take this serious. You got Royce there, Yeah, me and Royce is serious. I didn't want to leak it. I just want people to hear when it when the projects. Now, obviously most people know you from your dip Set times, I want to kind of go back before that, kind of give me your history of how you got into music. Man, Like, we're like, like, at what year did you start taking this shit serious? Obviously there was there was a jail Rider before you started to work with Dip Set. Yeah,

hell yeah, I was eleven when I first started. I was influenced by like Wu Tang Snoop Dogg, Tupac, Big Big Punk, Big Al, you know what I mean. But yeah, I started rapping as at eleven, twelve, thirteen, you know, running the streets, battling, getting my making a name for myself. And then somebody at sixteen, somebody introduced me to Killer in hallm one day. So yeah, and then history from there. So from sixteen on, you was just cam locked in with you from sixteen and a yeah, a fact damn

showing me the ropes. You know, I was like I was like a sponge around Jewels, around Kim around gym, just you know, picking up little things from everything business and at what point in time, So obviously sixteen years old, you meet Cam? How long how long after that was it before you actually you know, were officially Well, it took me a minute because I had to prove myself, you know, and we was like we're from Harlem, so

we always competitive. So Cam used to test me like I was wild young, and it don't matter where it was at. I'll take the train there, I'll walk there. It didn't matter. I was that hungry. So you know, he'll make sure I was on my toes. So anytime I come around, he'll be like, yo, let me hear some It could be a room full of people. Just we could be at a bar right here, something and if it sounds like something, I spit a w reck. Now I heard that. Let me hear something else. Or

you falling off? Oh I know you ain't slacking. So I never wanted that reaction from anybody. So I always stayed on my toes and I always proved myself like they didn't have to come to me, like I hear is a video shoot, I'll pull up to the video shoot with my mixtape done. Caim, Look, I'm don here. I'm ready. I'm ready. I just need you to host it. I'm gonna put it out. What year? What year was?

Uh okay, I don't know how old you are, but when you're sixteen and you first thirty five, So when you when you're sixteen you first meet Cam, this is around with the which era is this? This is after? This is after? Yeah, this is around the time I met him, right when Juel's got signed. Jim didn't even have a deal yet. So was this around taking me home? No, come home, Come Home? That's like a Drake song. Bro.

I just had this huge Drake argument all day to day on the internet and I was just listening to Drake's album in my car. He's all right, that's what the argument was about. But no come home with me.

I feel like it was like Cam's like coming out party, uh, you know, his first project with Rockefeller, and I feel like that kicked off the real Like obviously Dipset was doing their thing with the mixtapte, and I feel like that really kicked off the wave of like the movement where it was felt nationwide like oh yeah, like Dipset was something that wasn't just like New York's secret. You know what I'm saying. No, that's a fact. Like I don't know if Cam planned it or I really think

it probably happened naturally. But he has that confidence like all of us from Halem has that confidence where it's

like this is this is what we're gonna do. Be, We're gonna put out this, We're gonna we was like the first dip set honestly was like the first rap group to put out street mixtapes without DJs like the DJ because usually you could debate, you could debate j Unit, you could debate because they came out saying but they still had like when you say with out of DJ, like obviously they had who Kid and I think who Kid was was DJ NO, but Caseills hosted I was

hosted the dip set ship. Yeah, so you were around during You might not have been official yet, but you were around like the diplomatic community wave Like, yeah, I was supposed to be on the first album, but the song me and Kim and mheard McGruff from Harlem shouts to him. We had didn't get cleared. So little things like that, I felt like God put in my in my path, in my way for me to go harder from haters to little little obstacles like that to where it's like not easy for me, so I can always

stay on my toes and always focus. But you was around during that time, No I was around. I was just crazy. That's like, YO, tell me about those times, man, because I just remember vividly as a kid buying the Double XL where everybody was in there with the Thames and that was like when I first saw like I really got to kind of like figure out who Jim

Jones was. Yeah, I forget everybody had jerseys on in the ex Double Jerseys, Michelle Times and shit, I remember that you're vividly like the airbrush toms and all that. Ye yep, But like, what was it like being around that energy because we look at it now and it's like we missed that in hip hop? You know. I

think dipset is so nostalgic to so many people. To me, you know specifically, I remember, you know, just like that whole era, just just just the feeling that it brought to the game, and like, I feel like it's missing, but you were there for it, Like did you realize like how special this shit was at the time? Because at the time, it wasn't like Dipset was like the commercially the biggest ship, but it was like in this it was like culturally so big, you know what I'm saying.

Like obviously, Kim had hit records, Jewels had hit records, but I mean like like culturally they meant so much at that time. Did you know, like what you were part of at that time when you were like a kid. Reason I even got damn with Kim and Hollered as somebody to get me to him is because he him and Jim and Juelle's already had that wave already where it was just a hood wave where it's like everybody knew.

I mean, I'm pretty sure other places knew about Joel's in the beginning or whatever off cam sde album, but but uh, like uh, the mixtapes and and and those albums or whatever had them as her legends already. So me just you know what I mean, getting down with them at that time was like a dream come true. It's like, Yo, that's like somebody being from Brooklyn getting signed with Jay Z, or somebody being from la and getting down with Snoop Dogg dog Pam. You know, what

I'm saying. But it was just it was magical. It's like you know what I mean, because it's like I would come in and you know they swag. Is just like or I was swag because I was there. But I'm just saying, I'm looking from the outside, looking at you know what I'm saying. But it was just it was dope. It was dope, you know what I'm saying. Just from the fashion to the from to the touring to the radio freestyles. Uh uh everything from when we

was at the bottom to where we at the top. Everything, the whole, the whole uh run we had was was just epic. It's dope. Do you remember how you were when you officially finally got your name on the on the contract with Cam. I was eighteen years old. I remember because uh we was on the tour bus and I was waiting for the because we was on the tour for U diplomatic community too, and I wanted to uh oh, matter of fact, Cam wanted me. Cam like yo,

I wanted the tour to be over. Matter of fact, I'm like, damn, I want to get back and pick up my check because I had just signed or whatever, And Cam like nah, be. You ain't picking up the check until y'all drink a whole box of scissor. We celebrated drink. It was like a hundred nips. I remember. It was just like dumb hot. But I ain't gonna hold you. I was happy, you know what I'm saying, And I ain't care. I'm like, I'm gonna drink at least half a box and tell him I'm sick. But yeah,

you know that was that was. That was dope, you know what I'm saying. Soon as we got back, I signed. I remember that was my last time I took the train and somebody talked my ear off death, like, yeah, what you're doing on the train, don't worry. It should be the last time, yo. How I never got the trices or was it good? Yeah? It was good. It was good. I mean, it's just different. It was just what was it? Because I just remember seeing that like the sources ship like I wasn't old enough to drink

obviously it was. It had to flavor like a like a like uh hypnotic hypnotics, purple hit like a purple hypnotic, you know what I mean type of taste. I missed that whole wave in life. I've never even drank hypnotic and I'd like to consider myself a mild alcoholic man. But that but that's how Yeah, but then you was drinking incredible hawks. But anyway, but okay, okay, okay, but look missed that whole Waven life. That's how you know, the the just the aura, our aura. How crazy it

was because Jim had that idea. And you know, when an artist says, yo, I'm gonna come up with my own liquor and all that, it doesn't matter where he at at his in his career. It's dope, it's salutable. But we care about your music more than the sil things that you're coming out with. But every when we came out with that, everyone ran with it. That bottle was like a rose bottle in the hood. Everywhere we went, it was just it was just fire. I mean, just

to you know, we was that influential. I mean when I toured the world, that's when I really realized how big dipset was. Going to Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, you know, all those places on my own at that Yeah, that's crazy. Fast forward a year and a half or two ago, when did when did you when did you guys drop your your project you upstage? How long ago was that? It was like last year of the year twenty eighteen,

so yeah, so about two years ago. What do you guys dropped it the same day as Dipset dropped their shit h the same day as Diplomatic Community, and then I remember hitting play on it and I was on the intro. You guys used like a question should I asked Jim in an interview like as the intro, and

I was like, oh, and that's I think. I was, Yeah, yeah, you said thanks for the shoutout that so I'm like, you know what, let me hit him No, But uh, I think that there's like, what's your relationship like with everybody in the crew now? Because I feel like that kind of felt like there might be some some you know, obviously you guys dropped like the record, no reunions, like is there any static? It's just a bunch of us and we're not always on the same page, you know

what I'm saying. So you know it's all love, It's not. It wasn't like on some I I'm gonna put out the album and as a disk, you know what I'm saying, or as a response. It's like, Okay, I hear that they putting out an album, let's do our own version. Since we can't do I ain't get no phone call, but I'm not gonna lie. A week before I was releasing, Joel's had called me, you know what I'm saying, to get on the album. But this is before he was locked up by right, Oh yeah cool, tell you yeah,

shout the Jewels. He just came home. But it wasn't Yeah, it wasn't no static. But as far as now, I got no problems with nobody. I supposed to. I supposed to gym, I speak to duels, you know what I mean? Here, it seems like Cam is the one who consistently Cam is the one that messed everything up. Nah, but it just seems it feels like he's the guy who's like

I feel like Jim and Jewels are always cool. I feel like it's always like a Cam thing, at least from the outside looking in as a fan, Like, yeah, I mean, you know, Cam is Cam is Kim. You know what I'm saying. He's he's gonna move on his own time, So it is what it is. Do you know how he felt about you? Guys doing that about doing the project. Yeah, I heard from from somebody that he probably mad at me. But you know, so have you kill No? I haven't. No, I haven't, but shouts

to Kim. You know what I'm saying, he doing business with my guy Ryan. We got a whole CBD company coming out or whatever, call legends of him where we're doing you know, lines with different legends or whatever. You know, check out that. Do you find it a gift in a curse? Being associate Like obviously with being a part of dip set and the allure in the history, there's

always a built in fan base for that. Like it's almost like you know fan base by its like as soon as like you, like somebody finds out your dip set, like right now with Tde, some if TDE signed somebody, they got crazy fans that are just gonna fuck with that artist no matter what. Is that a gift in a curse to kind of like always carry the dip set like with you, like, like, is it it's a

gift in a curse? Because it's like sometimes a person might not know how to answer a certain question at a certain moment, you know what I'm saying, Because it's it's a bunch of us, you know what I'm saying. Plus that name is attached to anywhere I go. Whether I do an interview next week, them questions are gonna come up, you know what I'm saying. So, but I don't think it's a it's a curse at all, you know what I mean. I don't think it's a curse

because I help build that, you know what I'm saying. So, I don't think it's a curse. Yeah, we talk about Harlem, and Harlem's got such a crazy history. I remember the first time I ever went to New York, the first like, one of the only things that I care to do is go to Harlem and take a picture in front of the big album mural. Oh yeah, we were just out there. I had the Ferrari out there. Yeah, baby mom at the time. We took the train and I was like, look, I just need to get this one picture.

You know what I'm saying. That's crazy. We win ate at what's the soul food spot there? The big popular soul food place you talk about Rufe Chris, You're talking about soul food spot Amy Rooths my bad, Yeah, Sylvia's. I went to Sylvias. Yeah, yeah, Fred is more outside than me. I'm in the studio all day, he said, I'm in Fred, that's him, that's I'm outside. You gotta

come outside. Yeah. So, like you've obviously been putting in work, but like with with with the new project, Davey somebody also who you know is one of the greats the at the city right now? Is it? Like you you mentioned that there's gonna be an album. How do you separate what's on the EPO what's on the album? Like do you tuck certain ship like this is the album? Shit?

So yeah, because I with albums we had, I got songs that are like they sound like album cuts with my EPs or my mixtapes on my street albums or whatever you want to label them. As long as they not it's not called the album. It's more of a like a I'm proving myself. I still got it, I'm still better than everybody. This is how I'm coming. So you know what time it is when this album is dropping.

See the album, you'll have some of that, but you'll have more of a mixture of concepts and real songs laid out with hooks and you know what I mean. Few skits. This is the get warmed up again. I haven't put nothing out in two years, so it's crazy to think how how how big of a wrench was you? You going to jail man? Do you think in your momentum?

Because I felt like you had so much momentum. It was a good That's a gift in the curse, honestly, because the curse is taking me away from my family, taking my freedom away obviously, and taking my career away for the moment, what about the gift part. The gift is uh, snapping me out of it and keeping me focused and waking me up. It just made me away. It got me back into books and really has me more focused. Like two years. I mean, yeah, that's that's

a lifetime in hip hop. Yeah, that's that's yeah. I mean if I wasn't. I mean, you look around all the top top rappers of what how old are they? Yeah, dude, I just had this conversation with Benny, like Benny's old, Like damn, Benny's like an older Like you know, we look like generic hip hop fans look at Griselda as these new artists. Because it came up like, well, for these guys have been grinding for a minute, like these guys are my age, like, yo, Like, these guys aren't

new rappers. You're just hearing them now, but these are grown ass men. You know what I wanted to ask Benny. I wanted to see because back in the day, I always heard the name Black Sopranos, so I wanted to know if they always if he always went with that with that, I think that that's been around for a while, yo Oka. Yeah, and then even Griselda didn't become Griselda officially until I think like twenty sixteen. It was I forget what West Side Gun had, what the name of

his label was prior to that. But yeah, the Buffalo shit, Yeah, they got it on smash. How inspiring is that to see like bars the shit you Yeah, it's five. It gets me. It gets me. It gets me like jealous, but not in a bad way, and it gets me motivated. But that's what that's what the two thousands used to do for me, Like the Fabs, Jada Kiss albums, Lloyd Banks freestyles, like all of those freestyles and dudes that was really lyrical, from Stack Bundles to everybody that was

that was really rapping. It's like they kept me on my toes for one for two. They motivated me. When it's like it's like I'm hating and I'm motivated at the same time. I was like, Oh, we killed that. I gotta go crazy the next time I go up there, I gotta go crazy on the next freestyle. I do you know what I'm saying? Because now though, I mean, well, before Griselda and after the two thousands, obviously it just was drop man. It's like, yeah, you know, if you

were paying attention there. It wasn't like if you were like a super you know, underground head. But like definitely on the on the forefront year though the ship is. I always say like the dark years are like twenty seventeen through twenty nineteen when the SoundCloud shit really took over. It was bad man. There was like even when I came a little Pump a little Pump era. Yeah, that that era, that shit was. I mean it's still going on, nah that. I think that shit's finally dying out, man,

I really do. Like I think all that Antiqus shit, all that shit like perfect fading out six nine shit. Everybody, it was like a fucking car crash. Nobody could look away, but then when the music came out, no one cares. Yeah. I think it was more about let's see what's gonna happen in the antics. Yeah, like all you know, his story is insane, Like whenever they make his movie, like,

I'm gonna watch it because it's a crazy story. Like if someone just told you that mm hm, and like without knowing who he was or having any sort of personal feelings to it, you'd be like, nah, that's crazy, fam normal, Like look like that's a movie you'd watch because, like the ship is, it's a crazy story. But yeah, I think that that whole wave of like people being known more for the bullshit they pop on their cloud

than their music. I think COVID low key kind of helped too, because people aren't standing on couches and clubs right now. They're like that's the fact they're consuming music in their headphones, got their cars. Yeah, you gotta wrap And that's I think it's it's helping bring a lot of the dope ship to to the like yeah, because if you look the week that they need a butcher black Dot, Freddy Gibbs hist gives tons of dope shit is throw got thirty eight specially. Yeah, thirty eight Spash

is crazy and he's been nice. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, he's crazy. I need to get him up here. Yeah yeah. Him and Benny's project was crazy a couple of years ago. But yeah, I think, like you know, with you, I think it's like it's it's like you said, like it was a gift in the curse that you you know, went away. And so how different was the like the dynamic of the crew from when you went into when you got out. When I went in, it was already it was still like fractured. Yeah, it was.

It was like everybody doing their own thing. I mean it was like that before, but we moved as a unit. I think fame and money it just made like our circle crowded because now once we all popped, now we all got an entourages and now it's not just us, it's all of us. It's like this enterage, that enterrage, that entourage. So I don't know, I just think maybe

a complicated things, but it's all love. It's not like I think if Kim was to pick up the phone and call anybody, he could make a dips ever union happen anytime. No, for sure, Yeah, no, I think he's got that. Yo. We were just talking about how back in the day dipset it was like a thing like a signature to rhyme the same words, to rhyme the same words. Yeah, I think, in my heart, I think Jewel started that. No, for sure, that's a Jewel statement. All.

I just was listening to some throwback freeze that he had and that was the first because I studied lyrics for real, and that's the first time I seen that scheme where he's. Cam wasn't doing that on like SDE and even come Home. Cam started doing that after Jewel's, but it didn't really matter because Joel's is his all this,

you know what I'm saying. So, but yeah, Jewell's I think Jewel started that when he said, you think a good jobs making twenty five an hour got cats selling twenty five twenties by the hour, That's what he's saying. And I'm the one paying. I'm twenty five an hour. Yeah, nah, twenty five for what told you? Like, Yo, they go ride the same shit, but it's it's it means something different every time. Every time. It's like it makes it that much harder. Yeah, facts, facts it's almost harder to

do that than rhymen it with a new word. That's easy. Yeah, yeah, you know what I was just telling. I had my video shoot for this song nothing Means Nothing off my album off my EP coming out October thirtieth, Friday, Yeah Friday, feature in thirty eight, So that's just coming out Monday, So this will be out already, dope. So the EP's out. Yeah, EP is out. Go get that And if you watching this, then you already know the EP. Crazy and if you don't,

then go listen to that. But anyway, I was just shooting a video in the heights with my god thirty eight specially. I was telling them because on the verse that he spit, he rhymed for like thirty two bars, but the same rhyme, like the same how you explain it, like the same rhyme and pattern, Like he never switched the rhyme scheme, huh know, the scheme like the yeah, like he's never yeah like that, he just rhymed with

not the same words, but the same scheme. Yeah, the same scheme, like it's never switched out to rhyme with anything else. And it was fired straight through. I'm like that's fire. That's impressive to keep that going because it's so easy to just say two lines and then switch it again and then and then a lot of these rappers they don't rhyme multiple syllables. So to me, this don't be sounding impressive, but I know to the people it's like, nah, that was real shitty kick though. Yeah,

I think everybody has their own thing. I think, you know, there's artists who say things in an extremely simple way, but the way they say it is the character, you know, the way they say it. You know, I think that there's guys who rap really fucking fast. They don't say anything, but they all flow. That's just the flow. And there are there are people who could do both. There's people who rap like that that are fucking fired, like m yeah am Tech nine. Like there's some dudes who could

really get down. But like, I think that just everybody has their own thing, like you know, and then there's guys like Royce who are like fucking old Knights Jed Eyes, like Race to Fight nine can do is elite. It's crazy. Do you like get like intimidating when you know you're like, did you first of all, do you know Race is getting on the record like or is it something you send to him. I'm gonna be real with you, bro, I ain't intimidated by nobody's work in a session with

Low Wayne. Low Wayne my gotto. But Race is a much better rapper than Lil Wayne. For the record, it's ablatable. Lil Wayne is bigger, It's debatable. I don't know, man, Race is a fucking murderer. Bro. I gotta be in a student with Royce to really because I witnessed this man wheezy like it's different off the top record diverse and say I don't like the middle, erase the middle and then go back in and just no, not go back in. He's still live and do it right there

after he said a Race. Yeah, so you you've seen Wayne's creative process. What is that like? Is it no pen? Is it no pen? No pen? It's just you might listen to the beat a few times, chuckle, laugh a little bit, and then walk to the boot. Is he just punching as he goes? No? One shot deal really, And if you don't like a line or he don't like to go back and fix it, you just say, yeah, let's do that over, do you? How do you do your thing because obviously you're the writer, writer one tape,

you know what I mean? You don't write down anything? No, no, no, okay, yeah, right, because I trying to force myself to bust my brain to try to remember that. But yeah, I notice nowadays, like uh, a lot of rappers, especially now with the way like melody infused music has like kind of taken over, Like a lot of artists. They will just go into the boots and then they're like they'll lay down like the melody like and then to it and then they'll just punch in line by line. It's like that's like

when somebody needs a ghost writer. You you you let me hear the beat and you tell me like you mumble to it. This is the type of flow flow because now you need the word no, I've seen it. It's it's actually a reference. It's it's like, yo, they'll lay that down and then they'll sit there and smoke and listen and then they'll go in and just punching. No. But it's but that's it. But it's it's it's still creative.

It's still creative. It's just not I feel like it's harder to be able to say what you want to say and get your point across without thinking about it too much because Bobby ram and multiple words meaning multiple things at the same time, with metaphors, punch lines, and it's just it's just, you know, I'm a fan of that. That's know what I'm saying. When we're talking about Harlem, who do you have as your top five? Harlem? Mcs

ever ever ever on Big l Mace Cam, not me yourself? Damn, I thought it was more than three from I think Davis is making his way into that kind of is a young legend, that's my But he's still catalog though. Man, he's still young. He's got a lot of catalog. Yeah, Davis is my god. David's Yeah, Dave's is definitely. He's definitely up there. But as far as my top five, I would say, Big ol Cam Mace, do you got who else? Out of respect? You put asab Rocky in

there just because of the wave that he created. As far as maybe not lyrically, he's not literally there. Asad Rocky is nice though now he's under a different type of rapper. He's a little bit more creative when it comes to like putting together rhyms and songs and it's dope still, but it's not that type of rap, the big pun that type of rap that I was influenced by, Like, oh yeah, but ain't really like he might not even know who. Of course, come on man, okay, Bodega Bams

is fire. He I don't know that's got in that conversation, but he's that's my guy. He does. He's definitely deserves my ship, you know what, I deserve a shot because he's nice. He definitely from Harlem or not. We're not thinking of somebody bro. Yeah, g depth, but he just wasn't a wasn't even am child of the ghetto. Oh that ship was so fire. It was so good. I mean I think at that one album crazy yeah yeah yeah, but he's like he did catch your body, they find himself,

you know what's crazy. I was like in Poughkeepsie performance turned himself in. Yeah, before he turned himself in. I was in Poughkeepsie performing and and then I'm on stage rapping and I see somebody get on stage with like a big colorful bubble coat, and I'm like, I ain't coming nobody. I could see it from from the side of my eyes. So I look as g Debt and he's just like going crazy. But he looked a little like off. So I'm like, you know, I talked to

him afterwards, we spoke. He was there. Yeah, I'm just trying to remember a clear but shouts to him. He was just that was before he turned himself in, so I knew it was something a little bit, a little bit off for shots to him. He's still a hallm legend. Yeah, Mace, I feel like there's and also get enough respects at mc mace was crazy yea, get all the pross of my books now. I just feel like in general we talk about like overall, you're saying crazy run Man, Crazy Run.

Double Double Up was a little disappointing, but you know, he was trying to get out that contract. That's how I looked at it. He was trying to get away from There was some there was like two records on Double Up. But I remember buying Double Up and I was like, oh damn, because he was trying to match it up with that Hall the World album. Oh yeah, that's right, the Harlem World album. They came out like that's the triple plot. They came out super That's when

he was trying. He tried to he dropped double up to get out his contract with Puff. That's what he's trying to do. And he was like pretty much he said it like he was kind of forced to put that guy put together that album whatever. When you were a kid, was like when him and Cam and Big L was that like movement known in Harlem, like it was Children of the Corn, right, Yeah, but that was like I was too young for that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean once I got older, I doubled back and listened,

But I was too young for that. People don't even realize that Mace had like an entire you know, Murder Mace was a real thing. Yo. It was so crazy when Mace came back as like with the Jesus shit and then he went back to the gangster shit with G Unit for like one mixtape. I was so confused. I was like what, But honestly, I'm at the same time, I might have been confused, but I was hyped though.

I'm like, Okay, Murder back on Murder Time, Okay, Yeah that didn't work out though, And then he went back to the the Welcome Back album with the Brewers hat on and then yeah, I actually got to meet Mace. Very nice guys. You have you have you ever worked with Mace? Nah? No, yeah, you got to bring Murder Mace back for a verse. Man love to do it soon with Mace. Mace is a legend, of course, manig one of the biggest to do it from home. Oh for sure, I would argue Peak if we're measuring Peak

the biggest. Yeah, I mean he's the only artist I know that. When I'm talking at that, I'm not talking about total run or influence on the culture, but I'm talking about like commercial success Peak wise for like a year, Cam and Mace. It's it's one of these two commercial Mace is fucking who you think had was bigger? Oh Mace you think so? Oh yeah, why you think that?

Oh that's like that because he has songs with Mariah Because Cam, No, I think it's I think it's like hard like bro that that like twelve month fucking run. Mace was like the guy. Well he brung Cam in for sure. No, you're right, Yeah, Confessions of Fire, I remember, like, fucking I fuck with that originally because Mace was on it. What was the song on that album where he was talking about his aunt or his mom or some crazy ship. It was some wild ship. The song was actually called

Confessions of Fire Bucket. He ain't say that though, he ain't say them. Not the mom of the arm throw you're talking about. You're talking about when I write that poodle and try to turn the poodle into theles on confession the song Confessions of Fire. He said, that's when he's confession. Hey, look up the lyrics and that's to the song. That's what I'm telling you. But he ain't saying he said on there about oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he might have said. He said no, he said, see

what that dust does. He said he was saying a bunch of off the crazy ship, and I was like, this guy is crazy. I don't know if it was no. I don't think he said the mom but it was. It was some ship that was like off the wall like that though, where I was like, oh this guy, camera is different, I asked him. I said yo, I say yo, flee while you switch the style. So now you know, trying to take my ship man see eminem Rain with the whole ship. Let him have it. But

he was doing it before that. He was doing that dark ship on the on Confessions of like for high kids. You want you like violence, bro, because I remember thinking like there was the Horse and Carriage record, and then I bought the album and I was like, oh no, this is something. There's some other This ship is dark. He's yeah, yeah, look him up. Eric. You know what what was dope to? Uh uh? The joon with him and o dB. That was classic. Oh yeah, what do

you what do you think is Camp's best album? His best overall album. I'm gonna go purple. I mean I'm a Purple Hayes guy, though Purple Hays. Yeah, fucking that Killer Can be that he make his beat. It's like the craziest beat. I don't know if that was a sample whatever it was, whoever did the killer come? I was like, oh no, that was that was our pristive shout out to my guy Prestige. It did sample, sounded like Killer Can, but he came in and sung it over and they made it as a sample like try

to alter it. So fuck my fuck mom and father shove. He said, I fucked my own and I fucked my mom to die. But when my girl got side of minds, I was trauma died. Shove the dick down the throat Okay, okay, I said, man, fucking age test. Oh yeah, no, no, no no, don't you cut that Up't gonna do the deal with you now, fucking up Cam. I was trying to get he was in l a earlier this week, and my boy, I was trying to get him to come through. That's

like a bucket list interview for me. Killer of course, the Killer shout to the whole set, I have your phone, sir, all good buddy, SAO plugging CBD. Yeah, shouts to my guys, my guys, Ryan, Henry and the good guys over at Legends of Legends of Hemp. You know what I mean. We got some some dope ideas coming, man, CBD, CBDs drops, CBD energy shots, CBD lines, what else massage? Oh it was vape pens. We got a whole load of stuff coming. So so the CBD uh side of the game, you

guys got on locked pretty much. Listen, you're not on the mic, buddy. So I tried to get him to brief me on the way, but I couldn't remember everything. But yeah, you know, CBD is a worldwide markets exactly. You know, it's not restricted like a marijuana type of thing. So you can ship worldwide and you know it's healthy. It's like, you know that's fair. Are you a healthy guy? Of course? Tell you I dropped twenty pounds. But since the last time I came in, how did you? What

did you do to lose the weight? I do Keto and Bro, I got on Keto and lost weight and then I got off it and now I'm fat again. Well I'll be off and on and I don't I don't know it works, it works, yo, Like you go months strictly on Keto. Bro. What I did was I stopped. I did the I start doing the kiddo, but I cancel my gym umber shit, and I ordered the not to track treadmill, put it in my credit ball, and I just walk up yeah. Yeah, And I just walk walk up hill for ten to fifteen minutes before every

meal and then workout at night. You know what I'm saying. Do you do do everything with the studio in the crib? I canceled, Yeah, I did that. I did that right before COVID, Right before COVID hit. People are saying that, uh, there's like a big exodus out of New York right now, like people are moving and ship. Have you noticed like

people leaving. Nah. I heard like Manhattan's got like forty thousand open apartments right now, just a live bro really not gonna live Hell no, bro, Well ship for everyone's rent price purposes, you can of you know that'd be nice, right yeah, hell yeah, i'd be. I'd be like thinking like, yo, no, everybody's not paying five thousand a month, especially for these apartments. Like you enter these apartments because these apartment has been

there for years. Even the hotels are fucked up, You'll be like, I just spent six hundred hours in the hotel. Is the size of my closet? Yeah? No, it's nothing like in New York are so small there's nowhere to put your ship. Like wait what there's nothing like l a hotel's you like, you'll get it on Expeedia and then you'll get in and you'll be like, wait, element you see that you got you have some old pictures up? Yeah? No,

that shit crazy? Nah? Yeah, because I know with with with the COVID ship, like I heard that just a lot of people are a lot of people are leaving California because it's so expensive. L A be clubs LA. I'm not gonna lie, no, I mean, it's great. I could never live in New York. I love visiting New York, but I'm a West Coast guy and just the why you feel that, I just don't like like everybody's just so, everybody's obnoxious everything. It's just you go outside and it's stress.

My fucker is walking down the streets. Yeah, they got their fucking game face on. It's like out here, I could go outside and not see nobody. No I hear that. You'll you'll walk past and they'll say what's up. Yeah. But even like, it's impossible to avoid strangers in New York if you're gonna have a life, to go to work, to go whatever you have to out here, I can drive from point A to point B and have zero interactions with people. I don't know. That's how Jersey is.

New York is so like you gotta get on the train or even you gotta walk to get to Like it's just a lot, bro And in the parking situation, you gotta pay for a parking space every month. All kinds of crazy. Yeah, the only thing out here is that tras. But when I moved here, the radio stations in Burbank and Burbank's pretty expensive. But I purposely was like, I'm gonna eat ship and pay more money so I

never have to get on the freeway. So I got my studios right here in Burbank North Hollywood area, the radio stations in burt Oh, this is Burbank. This is the Burbank North Hollywood like border. So if you go like half a mile that way, you're in Burbank radio station, like five minutes from here. So I was like, you know what, like, I'm gonna just pay more for my rents. I don't have to deal with what you said, because that's where everybody, like the traffic get you fucking stressed

out thinking about that ship out here. Yeah, Bro, the GPS says seven minutes. It took me seventeen minutes. Bro, it was traffic for no reason. Then I had to tell when it cleared up, I told the drive, I'll say, oh, bro, drive, what are you doing? You know, it's definitely I would probably rather still deal with the traffic than have to like deal with the people, deal with the trains. Oh, to deal with the trains. Yeah, there's no trains. I mean there is, bit I don't think people really don't

take them like that. Oh, it's not like that. It's like a Jersey train. Jersey's not here in New Jerseys. Y. One time I fell asleep in New York. I was on the train and I fell asleep. I woke up and you woke up. I woke up in Spanish Harlem. Oh that wasn't that fall, but no. I took it from like downtown and I woke up in Spanish Harlem. It was like three in the morning, Bro, I get, oh, come up, and I'm like, but you still good? And three in the morning and Spanish hall them. You lucky.

You ain't wake up in Hunt's Point And I was like, okay, damn, this is so. This is Spanish harlot. So I'm like trying to walk around and find my entrance into the subway to get to the other way, and I'm like at the time, I'm like real tight with bodega bam. So I remember hitting them and I'd be like, hey, bro, I'm right here in my camera here because I just woke up and got off the train. No, Spanish Halem is dope and it's cool. I mean, it's laid back, yo.

Harlem is a vibe. Bro. I just think it's like like I felt like if I remember every like you know, there's a few times I talked about moving to New York and I was like, Yo, if I'm gonna move to New York, I'm not either living in Jersey or Harlem, because Harlem is like still technically it's it's still technically it's like the first burrow outside of like like if you're going towards like you're leaving Manhattan. It's part of man.

It's part of man Man. But yeah, we got Manhattan, Harlem, Washington Heights that's old Manhattan and Washington Heights is oh my bad ellie. Yes, Manhattan, Halem, Washington Heights like big, big Spanish area, right yeah, Dominican shout my dominicanos up there. And then from there it's the Bronx. Then it's the Bronx. Maybe a few blocks away. You could just cross a little bridge. You in the Bronx, shout out to the Bronx. Man. Yeah,

what do you think? Why do you think for people who don't who are from New York, Man, every single borough has its own flavor. It's it's very different. Like you could go to Brooklyn and it's like you feel like you're in a whole nother place. Even parts of Brooklyn. Now you're like fucking hipster motherfuckers everywhere, and then you you know, five minutes away, it's a dangerous place. Yeah. Is that most of New York is like most of

New York becoming gentrified? Or is it still like No, it's just some because Brooklyn is fucking crazy, yeah, Central, I mean the hipster Willisburg. Okay, I don't really know Brooklyn like that. I ain't gonna hold you. Yeah, I try to stay away from Brooklyn. Brooklyn, serious Brooklyn, serious white girls with fucking armpit hair and ship you know what I'm saying. Yeah, New York is. Yeah, I remember it was like versus like people that were originally there. Okay,

I knew. I knew Brooklyn was different. When my guys the Wave Gag they didy go by the wool, now you know what I mean. But they had me in Brownsville projects. Okay, I just remember Brownsville by the way, shout out to mop just reading about Brownsville as a kid in the Double E solth Yeah, they had me in Brownsville projects. And when I got there, like when I went to the when I really seen the projects firsthand. That's when I seen like, this is totally different from Harlem.

This is nowhere in Hallam. A't got nothing on this. This is different. This is like walking past the police with a bottle of rose and they don't say ship like this is different, Like they all they care about his shootouts and they might not even they might not even walk up. They're gonna call for backup. It's just

dark over there. It's different. Yeah, It's like it's different, bro. Yeah, I just I just vividly remember reading Billy Dan's in a Little Fame talking about how they used to shoot people off like they used to They used to just shoot people off the top of their built like like they were snipers or met them too. Crazyest neighborhood all in New York and all in New York that you've been to, many that I've been to. Damn, they gonna

be mad at me. I can't just say one yeah nah they you know, No, Brownsville is like the crit to me in New York. Nah, in New York because see if I say no, now it's like words. So we ain't gangster like that. Nah. But I think Brownsville honestly Brownsville is different. It was. It would be some people from East New York that'll tell you Brownsville for real. Brownsville. Yeah, man shout out to MP. Yes, sir, First Family Z owned. You know what I'm saying, Yes, sir. Well look your

ep is out. Yeah, go get that. I really wrapped two out now on a platforms. Yeah. Album on the way, but I'm gonna drop another EPC. That's the problem I've been having is like I dropped the upstage. It got a nice response. I fell back for two You guys, you can't fall back no more. Bro, Yeah, no, so I'm not today. Listen, let me tell you if I can give you any advice in today's world, bro, just

keep dropping NonStop. And you're independent, right facts, So just dude, run up your independent catalog, get that nice fucking monthly residual income coming in, Yeah, and run it, bro, Like take a page out of what like Riselda is doing as far as like the quantity of music they're dropping and own all of it. You know what would would

spark me to do that? Thirty I had a cold conversation with thirty eighth stage specially another example, just like yo, he looked at me, like, Yo, why you holding onto the music for show? Now? This is not this is not the same era, right, It's not the era to hold on the music. But see, I was always don't overthink your rollout, don't overthink any of that ship I was. I was always accustomed to one album a year, that's how you do it. Drop five albums a year. That's

what I'm gonna start doing. Dropping next month again November thirty. Perfect facts, just keep going dog and like then you know you'll be like, yo, damn these monthly fucking what's your distro? Are you doing? Like tone Core distroc right now, I'm putting this project out through video shouts the video. But I got tom Core, I messed with different like I got my brother all that distro kid. You know, yeah, it'll work pretty much to say, yeah, I own my mask.

I just I just got my master's back from my Warner Brothers for one of my albums. Now I'm trying to get my first album that was number two in the country. Hopefully they give it back to me Cotch Records, One Man and y'all owe me some money too. But I'm not gonna make a big deal let's work things out. You know. E one is uh, what's the guy name? Elliet Ellie? What's Alan Grumblett? Shout out to Steve Lobel. We'll try to get to Steve. Steve's real, real close

friends with him. I can try to make that happen for you. Yeah, let's do that. Boom Well, listen, man, we got a freestyle dropping tomorrow. So this is Monday, Today's Monday. Tomorrow they'll be It's going down jail rder freestyle, Yes, sir, boom perfect, all right, cool play the beat in there, hang out ball. They switch out to set