Boutleg Heap podcast special guests in here. We got the Homiekai from three D Retro and from Designer Con. How you doing checked in? Thanks for having me, Yes, sir. Uh. So for people who don't know, well, one, I went to your store. You have a store in Glendale. Is it technically Glendale? It's technically Glendale one block away from Burbank. Literally walked across the street as Bourbank right. Uh. It's a crazy toy store. And we have a mutual friend
named dj Amen who's a psychopath. Uh just buys every just toy imaginable. His house is uh insane. It's it's kind of like a toy store. Yes. So he's like, Yo, you should come over here check it out because I kind of like toys. I'm kind of like, you know, not like that though. And I walked into the store and there's so much shit And I didn't know that you also were the guy behind designer Con. So now you've got designer Con coming up. What is designer Con
for people who don't know? So for people I don't know, Signer Cons the annual collectible convention. This is our seventeenth year. So Ben is the founder. I run the show with him. So we have artists from over the world, from Asia, Europe, and off of course the United States, independent artists, illustrators, and world renowned toy makers and painters. So all of them usually come to our show either exhibit or have exclusive or have collaborations. We support everybody from the top
to the bottom, emerging artists, everybody. It's kind of like the end of the year party for collectors and artists. Is it pretty? Is it kind of like revolve around It's like kind of like the the underlying theme of it is like if you're a because it's called designer Con, it's not called toy Con. So there's there's kind of something there for everybody as long as you're kind of
into like creative shit. Like you said, there's people who are painting detainers, illustrators, toy makers, and there's the collector, and then there's the guys that started just making shit out of the garage, like hey, I want to make something exactly like so we it's for everybody everything in terms of design. So what got you initially involved in the toy industry? So I told this story a couple of times. I was in high school. I walked into
Stucy the Fairfax of Libreri area. They had this little figure of their mascot holding a skateboard. So that's my first thing. That's pretty dope. And then went to kit Robot they started coming out two thousand and three, twos So going to their store and be like, this is dope Japanese stuff, and they just told me that's their original design. I started buying and they just got hooked.
Just been buying, buying, and became a seller later on, just got wholesale count and all that stuff, and then got into working with different artists and then Designer con came around and basically just that's my whole life. So
you started collecting around two thousand and two. Yeah, at what point in time did you decide to get involved in the commerce side of it where You're like, Okay, I'm a fan, I'm enthusiastic about just collecting, yeah, but I also want to make this, like two thousand my business. Oh wait, So two thousand, two thousand and eight, around that time, I was working at Disney Disneyland, so I was I went to school for hospitality Oh shit, I went to school for hospitality management. So coming out of
school a court on blue right. So coming out of school, I got hired at Disneyland doing what basically food service for employees. Got you, So basically I'm the I'm the guy behind the restaurants. So if you go to Disneyland, you see restaurants, there's restaurants for their cast members employees. So I was one of the managers running you see aproach over there. I still know a few people there. Actually, what's funny is that you did get disneyl the ill
tell is something. The guy that designed our mascot designer com mascot, Scott Tollison. Yeah, he's still a Disney imagineer. Oh wow. So he is super busy right now because Disney is doing some cool shits on some new cruises. So he got designer con that he's doing, he got he's been working on our membership program project that we've been doing the last six months, and then he's got Disney. Wow. So we do have some people that works doing designer Con.
We know a lot of people in different studios of course, artists and all that. So you go from working at Disney this is what you went to school for. Went to school for? Yeah, yeah, and Uh, I think it was the recession, the first that recession two thousand and seven and eight. So I was laid off. I got laid off, and at that point in time, I'm like, I have all these toys, and I have all these vinyl figures. I feel like people buy them. I buy
a lot of them. Let me see if I can get a wholesale count and then start a business myself. So at that point, I actually sold all my sneakers in Troy and seven to get funding to buy more toys to sell. How much did you get for all your sneakers, like at that point was like ten to fifteen red. The price is not like what it is now back in the days, kind of crazy back in the day. And that I think I have mostly a Spees in Jordan's as Speeds was on its way down, so I was like, just got rid of it, just
got off of them. But that's what funded you being able to buy more toys through your wholesale account, right, So at that point I decided to get a wholesale account and buy stuff, uh, to to make money instead of you know, I'll collect, I'll keep some, but mainly to sell and try to make a living out of it. Yeah, and yeah, that's when I became like a lot of artists knowlls like White Line Collector shit, and now it's like, oh, here Kai selling stuff. Yeah. So was that the beginning
of three D Retro Three D Retro. So Ben Funded founded three D Retro around the same time in two thousand and three. So he basically and I were business partners. So what we did is he ran an online shop. Three D Retro was online, and I was basically buying with him. I was the guy behind the scene. So let's say there's a new product came out for wholesale, you have to buy a certain amount to get a good price, and Ben only wanted like, say ten, you
buy the difference to get the better price. Yes, and then I would you would flip and do your thing. Yes, I will do my thing. So that's what I how most artists know me, and I would be supplying not just three D Retro, I personally, I would be supplying other stores too, because I got an account overseas at that time, a big company and artists called Ashley Wood doing three A stuff. So yeah, so that's how I kind of got all connected with everybody and through the retro,
Ben decide to open the store. Yeah, and Designer con started growing, so he he asked me to come on board nice with him. That's basically the story of how I with Ben and through the retro and Designer coom. What up? You always stopp in an interview real quick to tell you about our good friends. At my Bookie. We're live in my room right now in Las Vegas. And if you're not in Las Vegas like me, and you want to gamble on sports in the easiest, most
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mean maybe it is retail, I don't know. They like let me know what is like the biggest to you guys sold after market? And then obviously a single item, right yeah, single item, A single item that the most expensive single item we've ever sold is about ten thousand. It's a one thousand percent barbrick, and that was retail. That was the retail. That was retail. It's made out of wood. Wow. And we only had one and we sold it in the pandemic. We decided, we don't know
if then we're going to put it up. So we had our designer come twenty twenty during live stream. So we put it up, sold it within like under a second. That was gone wow. Right, But the last two years we sold like eight thousand dollars ones. There was a carbon fiber one thousand percent barbrick through the store. I sold it to a musician. I don't know if I can say, okay, I don't think they care. Mustar Mustard, Yeah, he special ordered it because I was like, if you
want this, this is the price, you know retel. Yeah, so Mustard bought an eight thousand dollars bear break carbon fiber. Wow. That's pretty. It's light, but it's specially made. You know. Would you say Mustard's got a pretty crazy toy collection. Yeah. I think I helped him a little bit on that. Yeah. He he liked the one thousand percent so uh, he comes to me like, hey, what you got? Yeah, you know, we we are store carriers like you saw. Yeah, you guys have a lot of bunch of stuff, but certain
special ones. We only get a few pieces. So I will call the special people. Hey, you know I only got two, right, you know, if you want him? What about Ben Bollers huge with the bare bricks and he's got a crazy toy collection. Is he somebody who you've supplied the four in the past? Yes, we we we we work we in the past. I got him a Nike speed Bear bricks like, we got like three, and obviously I keep one, Ben keeps one. I got one for sale. So so when you guys keep stuff, you
are you are a collector still to this? Oh yeah yeah, So what's your house looked like a mess? A mess? Uh, A lot of toys and sneakers. I'm a sneaker that all the sneakers and you brought them back? Oh yeah yeah. Obviously what got me back was the Kobe Eights. Actually, so I got into sneakers in two thousand and one or two for from Sb's right, But I got back in from the Kobe Eights because they were all about art.
At that point in my life, I like designers, toys, art, So the Kobe Eights were all about art and Tristan, which is a friend and artist he did something with at that time. There's a Nike vault as Stable Center, Crypto dot com whatever, there's a store there. He did a special sock with the one of the preludes. So like everything's a about art, the whole model, you know. So I just got back into it. Somebody who might not be famous, just a customer you have in mind,
like who who? Like how crazy is like your guys' biggest customers toy collection? So I'm sure you have a few, do we do? We have a few regular people, right. I don't know what they do. I don't know what they make, but they spend every time we do live streaming. Still for the store, they spend about two k per show. Wow, and we sell stuff from ten dollars blind boxes to forty to fifty dollars toys to you know, one hundred
and fifty two hundred dollars bear bricks. They will spend like two grand wow every show per show that we do twice a week, twice a week live streaming, think about and look. So Designer Con is obviously this coming weekend. If you're watching this, it'll be this coming weekend. It's in Orange County. Where's Anaheim and ah Heim coming as center? November eighteenth to the twentiethst CD Yeah, Friday's VIP Night
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So the idea behind it is in twenty eighteen, when we moved to Anaheim, Meticom came and said they went, they're looking for a North American partner like Convention, right, Yeah, So they loved our show. They came out, the President came out. So in twenty nineteen we started our first artistry. So what we want to do with our platform is we want to give American artists that usually don't have an opportunity to put their art on on this platform
because they're from Japan. Right, So a lot of like for people wo don't know Baybrick's Japanese companies, a lot of Japanese arts probably getting mostly Japanese Asia Company because when they see it, like their department, they're scouting people. They left certain artists. It's a lot of Asian, a
lot of Asian artists. So what we did is we decided to put artists that's affiliated with designer comn that's been doing designer com for years or done collab with us in some kind of capacity and also mostly Americans. This year we have someone from the UK. But but but he's been supporting Designer Come for over ten years. Wow, so doctor A is to the thing. Yeah. So doctor A does a lot of like those robot style mech figures and he does everything in resent. He'll be at
designer Com this week this weekend. Bobby and then Bobby hundreds that's the cool one, you know. The one hundred was actually at the Designer Come twenty eighteen with a Mister cartoon collapse and capsule. So they were part of our show. And Bobby's been coming to design Com for over ten years. He will always come with his son and all that. Just have fun, just have fun. And then we reach out and say, hey, you know, we know that you're an artist yourself. Like he draws, he
does design graphic te's for his brand. So yeah, we did this for our show. And then this is the Obey the Obey guy Shephard Ferry. So this is one of the proud moment. I would say, Ben will tell you that it's a I love Obey everybody I think. Yeah, I mean, listen, can we talk about iconic and iconic American artists, right, I mean all the way to the clothing line to this. Yeah, I mean I think back to the Obama hope stuff. Yeah yeah. Yeah. And what's funny is we did not realize that he's never done
a bear break before, and he's never done one. So the opportunity came, i think earlier this year, and we asked him if he was, you know, be willing to do something like this. He's seen them, he wasn't sure that he his art will work on this platform, and we told him how a lot of different artists are applying there are onto this platform, and uh, there you go. So this is basically every bear brick is unique. This is a water dip technology, so it's those are Yeah.
So it's one big image and then every time they dip the figure into the process, it lands on there differently. So every piece one, every single ones unique. There will be no not this, not same one. The only thing on here that's constant would be the logo right here. Everything else will be different for every single one of them. So this is the four hundred and one pack and
will be exclusively at Designer Con this week. Yeah. So when people people show up and they really like, uh, is it pretty frantic to get like to get some of these items you guys do excluding or to collectors, not crazy people like sneaker people, because you know sneaker and like like when you when people go to complex Con, Okay, there's a fucking wild like there's always like exclusives and you'll see I've seen people. I mean, it gets it can get hairy. But like our toy people is a
little more measured than sneaker people. Yes, so uh we I've been to complex Con obviously. Uh, there's a two different vibes. I can tell you that for people that have never been to Designer call our thing is when you go there, you're going to meet your favorite artists, if you if you like a few artists, and a lot of artists have like gallery openings throughout the year throughout their career. You know, they get busy, right So
at our show, they're usually chill at their booth. They just want to meet their fans and they're selling stuff. They're selling stuff. A lot of them are selling stuff that like they brought from their archives, like I have, like Steve, I don't know if you know who Steve Caballero is yeah, of course. Yeah, So I met him a few years back and then we started making pins like just for fun, like we're friends and yeah, but he's an incredible artist. I didn't know that he's an
incredible artist. So he's been doing Designer can ever since. I'm like, oh my god, you can draw like that, like rat fing style, like that di era. And so he will come and he will bring like shit that you've never seen before. He'll be hey, I got the skateboard, right, you know, stuff like that. A lot of artists this year we have like Sean Claver as well, so from the skating world, dirt artists everywhere. They're artists in every you know, part of the industry. So that's that's what
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usually collects fun Co pops. Yeah, because you go to Target, they're there you go, like, there's always fun Co pops at wherever you go, right, the Disney store, wherever, et cetera. What is your take? Do you collect fun Co Pops? Uh? I don't collect them like crazy, but I do like them in terms of the ipiece that they have because there's certain movies, great great movies, movie waiting for them to do the Big Lebowski fund Go Pops. I don't know if they've ever done one, but I think they have.
That's my favorite. I mean, there's so many things, but like they get every license, yeah they did, they do. You go to the store and you're just like Jesus, there's so many you can't so what what I like about? So we don't really. We did one Funko exclusive a couple of years back with Mark Hamill so his team, so we decided to release two three out of the four as designer con exclusives. So with his team that that that we released those three and they're very limited.
They're like only a thousand of each design. They're like compared to what you buy at like Funko wise, that's super limited. So we have like two of them that's one thousand pieces. But for me Funko, and then we did in twenty eighteen, we did a collab with Funko and Metacom. It was Funko's twentieth anniversary, so we made a bad break with them and put it into Cereal. So that year they did a bunch of different Cereal I don't know if you remember. So what we look for,
designer come look for. We're not comic Con. We're not like when those shows. We're not looking for that big Funko booth. We're looking for an experience and an activation. So when Funko came to us like hey, we want to build this supermarket to launch our brand new product, which is the cereal or like that's a cool idea. We love it and we collaborate on that. So we're not looking for that like standards. You know, you just go into any shop buy Funko Pop. But we're not
discouraging vendors. Like we have toy stores from around the world coming like Toy Tokyo from New York. They have a bunch of exclusives with Funko. They always bring some stuff to Designer Con, and we're not saying that don't bring that. We say, yeah, it's part of the world, you know, but with Funko For me, also, it's a gateway drug. That's how I see it because it's a now what twelve dollars Funko pop. Yeah, you get like
six of them, right yeah. But when you come, when you get into it, a lot of people discover, oh there's different artists, there's different toys. Now you get the platform like bear Berry, you get the kid Robot, like these guys that have never been like not from where I'm from, like back in the early two thousands, they'll discover. Then new kids will be like, oh, there's more to just this, right So I'm hoping. I mean, we've seen it is a lot of people collection grow beyond past
the Funko Pop. You know, they'll be like, oh, I have a thousand Bunkle Pop now, but now I like the Barbricks both started that, right, So, like it goes up to the next level. Your personal toy collection. What is the most expensive toy if you were to sell it on the second market or reseale market right now that you own probably twenty five to thirty thousand, which toy is that I have three of them? What are they?
I have three cars, one thousand percent. Wow. Yeah, so now it's about thirty twenty five thirty cage each each. Fuck what did you pay for those three hundred that's one thousand percent? Barberg is be three hundred bucks. So that's what I sat on. One hundred thousand dollars seventy five to one hundred k worth a fucking yeah, that's just just in three toys, Just three toys in my living room, in my display case. That just three So if you what would you estimate your toy collection is
worth if you were to sell it a million? I mean I don't know, like wow, you know, I mean I would say, like I would say, if I sell everything, I could probably buy a house in La. It's just like an offensive house. Yeah, nice house. Yeah. Part of so I would say, if I sell everything, you know, I would get to me it's a To me, it's a it's a hobby. Yeah, and it's also uh an investment.
You know, you buy our you buy collectibles, you buy sneakers. Yeah, people by I mean people by paying people buy yeah, exactly. And for me, what's funny is so the thing I tell people's story is Ben is very two D three D person. So he he knows a lot of painters and artists that does flat two D stuff. I wasn't that person. I got into it from the toy side. I got into it from the three D side, right, So I got to learn by doing design and con I got to learn different artists. I got to meet
different artists. I got to appreciate the two D stuff as well. So yeah, and then I have a print problem too, by prints original art. I just bought an original painting off of Ben Frost recently, and I'm like, why did I buy that? But it's like, you know, so some it just kind of got into what I do, Like I think, I mean, if you love what you do that much, yeah, it's also your job exactly. It's just got to you just gotta make sure you don't. You know, you save more than you spend on toys,
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have hundreds of bare bricks. I have stuff that's not open because I have no room to display, you know, but I know I have it. Like, Okay, I got a death stock, completely new, sealed in the back of the storage, right, I always want to keep one, you know, when all these things are limited editions. Now, yes, like this weekend, you might be finding a couple hundred of them. Yeah, but in a year or two, price is gonna double triple because you're not gonna find them. People keep them.
Imagine ten years from now, I'm telling you those caused bear bricks I had, those were from two thousand and seven or eight. Damn, it's thirteen years ago. That's fourteen years ago, right, But who knew, like cause prices was gonna go up by that time either too. So I just liked them. You still have that og toy Stussy one? Yes, you still got the first toy they got you? Still? Yeah?
Still do do you have it like in a special place. No, it's in a box somewhere in a box someone So the toy actually belonged to my cousin got you so I saw it actually with him. He had it. So at that time, I wasn't even like buying anything. I was just like, this is really dope. And then he gave it to me a few years ago. Real quick. If people want to go to designer Con, there's still tickets, there's tickets, there's VIP tickets still in VIP tickets still
available at designercon dot com. But we are We do have a hard cap, but we're not like super expensive. It's like ninety dollars for the VIP, but there is a cap for Friday night. Usually it's pretty chill Friday night. The only booth that's probably gonna be a headache is the medical booth. It's always because people want to get their first shot at the exclusive and that's what the VIP night's for. But yeah, we we keep the tickets
really uh affordable for the family. So Saturday and Sunday and kids twelve and unders always free with a paid admission. That's dope. Yeah. So we never we have We never charged for kids twelve and that's super dope. Yeah. And at the end of the day, kids love toys. We we want to. Our whole thing has always been about trying to keep as much money in the tendees pocket to spend with the vendors and artists, right because they're going to show up a lot of a lot of
these conventions are expensive. Expensive, yeah, super expensive, Like we don't want that. We want to we want to do what we can to keep money in their pockets so they can spend mondy at the convention for our our artists and our vendors. And then do you guys have a uh this three D retro have set up there every year? Yes, you guys, yeah, you know we know somebody. Yeah, so we we we have a few exclusives every year,
and then we have products from the store. We do special deals, and then Metacom actually has a brand new booth that we've been designed with them for the past year and we have actually something really though I just saw it this morning. Actually haven't seen it in person. Really, I just saw the box. We have a three thousand percent size like so it's like a ten feet statue jeesus of a barbrick. That's gonna be at the medical booth. So I love everybody to come out and check it out.
Three thousand percent. Yeah, that's pretty big, pretty because what is the like, the the big ones one thousand, okay, and then this is four hundred, got you yeah, and that small ones one hundred. So it's three thousand of that Jesus Christ. Huge. Well listen, man, go get your tickets, appreciate your pulling up. When you guys do your stream, where can they go in the stream? And is that on Twitch? Actually we're on Popshop Live. So just follow us on Instagram at three D Retro. I think that's
the easiest work we have. All that pret D Retro follow, designer con follow, designer dope stuff going on. If you're a hip hop head. Deaf Jam and DJ Amen are doing their Blessed Deaf Jam booths. Yes, Steph Jam and Amen's doing some stuff. I'll be DJ and Uh. I think Amen's trying to convince me to do the podcast from out there with somebody. I'm trying, which we're trying to figure it out, so I think it'll be cool, you know, I figure it out. I think you'll like it. Yeah,
you know, I know, I like the convention. Yeah yeah, you don't know if you want to do do it? I just don't. I'm like trying to figure this out with Amen, like Okay, what do you who do you want me to talk to there? He's like, well, we got to figure that part out. I'm like all right, Well, just let me know man, we'll go because Dept. Jam will be there. A lot of people are flying in. It's gonna be an easy weekend, a lot of people all over the world. Yeah, there it is man, next week.
Appreciate you pulling up man, Thank you so much. Yes, sir, And it's this weekend, because when you're watching this, it'll be this weekend. Come this weekend, November eighteenth, nineteenth, and twentieth in Anaheim, Anaheim, there is Conn Designer Con. Go get your tickets. Thank you.