#231 - Lil Pump

a random, random era of SoundCloud rap. Yeah, that was when I first came to LA And like I want to say, like that night or the night after it was like your birthday party. You had your birthday party at like a trip truck club. Yeah yeah, yeah, good times. Man. That was like a peak SoundCloud days. Man. Literally, what's been going on though, traveling man? Yeah, freaking working, working on a new album. Okay, do you feel like you're focused on music again? Yeah, I'm back focused on music.

There was one point where I was just like this is too much right now. Yeah, and you know we started fucking off and then I'm back on You're back on your shit. I was gonna say, like, shit happened

so fast for you, and you were like a literal kid. Yeah, And I think people forget that when they think a little pump like because when I first heard of you was the fuck J Cole shit, which was like pretty early, would you say, yeah, I was like sixteen, Yeah, but it just happened so fast to a kid like people. I don't think people. I think when they talk about you and they criticize you, whether you know you've given them reasons to criticize you or not, they forget that. Like, Bro,

you're a fucking kid and I'm still twenty two. You're only twenty two years old, but you also kind of grew up in front of our eyes. Yeah, literally, you know what I'm saying, Like, do you feel like now that you've kind of like seen the highs and lows of this rap shit, like you feel like mentally you're in a good, good space. Yeah, I'm in a way better space now. I understand how like shit goes. And you know, yeah, I was young. I was just moving fast,

not thinking about nothing. Right now that I'm older, I see everything now. I was only sixteen, seventeen, you know, crazy man. Now it's crazy. Yeah. Like you said, like I grew fast. It's like, let's say when this year when I turned twenty two, people were like, what the fuck Pump is twenty two. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm still a kid. You're still a kid, bro. Yeah, it's pretty wild. Uh. Talk about you first kind of start like I feel like you became like the face of

your generation of music for about a year. You were kind of like when we thought of the sound. When I think it SoundCloud era of rap, I think of you. You're the first first name face that pops in my head. Of course, the Cloud era, I think its little Pump. Is that fair? Yeah? SoundCloud era? Yeah, just that whole. I think you're You're like on the fucking mountain, the mountains more of that shit. Yeah, one hundred percent for

good or for bad. And I call those years of rap kind of I kind of call him the dark years because it kind of I feel like you're and I I did stick up for you a lot because I actually really liked your records. Appreciate it, Like I really fucked with your joints, Like I was like, yo, but the music is hard as to where some of your counterparts. During that time, it was one hundred percent

about the antics on the internet. Well, I feel like you had a lot of stupid shit you were doing on the internet and you were following it up at least with dope records. Yeah, you know what I mean, of course, but then the records kind of started to fall off a little. Do you feel like it was because you were just lost in the sauce and you

weren't as focused on music and you were worried about that. Mean, you were fucking you were fucking living life, bro, for real, he was fucking v rod at least I think you were Rodriguez. You was fucking everybody everything. But you were, like you were really living that rap rap. I mean

you still are, obviously you just will talk about. But did you ever feel like, you know, there in that time, like you kind of had to compete with the last crazy shit you did to kind of stay on the top of people's minds instead of focusing on the music per se. To me, I didn't really care people think about me, because at the end of the day, they're gonna criticize, they're gonna hate, they're gonna say whatever they're gonna say. As long as they keep my name in

their mouth, you know that's fair. And I did everything I wanted to do. I move my mom out of the hood, my whole family out of the HOODE my family straight. That's a worry about I'm set, That is true. Man. Like whatever people gotta say about me, they keep talking. But I'm still here. How many streams is this Gucci Gang at It's like, damn near seven times plant. It's

about to go diamond that It's insane. I could have just dropped Gucci Gang and I dropped no more songs and I'm straight for life and you're still eating and I'm still eating. Baby. Not a lot of people are going seven times platinum, and I'm still torn. I just came from Tokyo, Bally, Mongolia, Slovenia, Romania. I went. I was just everywhere it is. How was it over there? That's a pretty wild part of the world. It's different, it's different, very different. They loving you over there, they

love me. Yeah, yeah, they show a lot of love. Yeah for sure. Uh what you obviously you got the new project coming. It's crazy to think that this is this is only your third project? Is third? Yeah, yeah, it's your third one, right, if you had the first tape, then you had the was it har Harper drop out? And then now this that's crazy to think man. Yeah, do you like like talk about the album, man, like, who's on it? How you feeling about it? I'm feeling

very good about it. Yeah, I've been holding back on it for a minute, I know, but it's gonna be. It's worth the way I'm telling you, it's different because obviously you have the old pump on there, then I have some new sounds. Well, you kind of feel I feel like you started to kind of expand your ship a little bit, like the record you did with X you know, rest him that was kind of like a real worldly record exactly like with those songs overseas, they

they go crazy crazy. Yeah, you're trying to dip into the Latin market a little bit too. Latin market. That's another thing, Like the Latin market is way bigger in this market of course, Like it's huge. Are you you know what I'm saying? Are bilingual? Yeah? There you go. I mean you are from Miami, so there's that. Yeah. How's your relationship with with PERP right now? Good? Good? Yeah?

Still my best friend. I love him to death. Yeah, you guys kind of you had you guys had to run man with things like it was really like y'all were the two motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying, Like it's kind of crazy. You know, Uh, take me back, bro, because I feel like, in retrospect what I loved about J Cole. Right, you and him have this sit down, y'all have this conversation, which at the time was so

to people unexpected. Yeah, because you had said, fu J Cole, it felt like some of his album was kind of geared towards your generation at least, if not specifically to you. And then you guys have to sit down conversation. Yeah, that caught everybody by surprise. How like, talk about that convo and just like did you actually take anything from it or or do you feel like you're taking things

from it now? After where are you from? I'm saying, like, you know, obviously it was a it was an insightful conversation. I feel like JA Cole was trying to give some real game and like you're trying to understand the younger generation. Yeah, he was trying to understand a young generation. He because at that time, you know, like he people didn't understand what was going on right music, But they're just like, there's this new wave coming in, we don't understand it,

but where's gonna roll with it? And he's trying to understand what was going on? Do you yeah, I don't have no problems with them. Do you feel like hedicted kind of like what ended up happening with your rap career? Nope, No, I'm still here. I'm not saying that you're I'm not saying that you're not like still fucking rich and successful.

I just mean in terms of, like, you know, I feel like there's so many parts of that era of rap where like people got famed so fast, they were so young, you know what I'm saying, Like, and I feel like that was some of the foresight that he was saying, not even necessarily about quote unquote falling off, you know what I mean. They don't think You don't think he predicted anything. I don't think pretty shit. No, that's fair. I'm still here. I mean you're still here

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the first week is that is that? Like ever ever, you guys got the big fucking you know, the big shoulder pad joints, And I think, what do you think about what's going on with ya right now? Hey, man, I don't have no say so in that. How did that like initially happen you guys working together? Well, this was on my eighteenth birthday. He had called me sick flex eighteenth birthday present, Kanye cast you. Yeah, it was

my eighteenth birthday. I was throwing this huge mansion party and I just get this random phone call yeah, and it's yeah, He's like, yeah, I got some shit for you. I'm like, let's get it. I was shroomed out that day, shrooming balls nice. I was out of it. And then Bro, we just grabbed a studio equipment. It wasn't even though, like you know, like a big studio, big studio. It's not fucking Mike No Sony C hundred. We just grabbed.

We literally had a five hundred dollars mic Wow, put in a small room, laid down the verse, send it back to him. Crazy And I was like, same night, while you're shrooming hard while I'm shreming, So you record that while you're fucking shroomed out. Yeah, Wow, that's fucking crazy, screaming balls. Was that your what's the your your best and also worst experience while on mushrooms? Because I dabble in the shrooms a bit myself. I'll tell you what.

I've never had a bad one on mushrooms, but on acid. You had a bad acid trip? Yes, what happened? I was in the studio. It was me my boy CB were recording for the Harvard Dropout and I'm taking a piss in a bathroom and then the whole toylet starts turning black, like in a circle, and it just starts closing. I'm like, oh, fuck this ship. I put my pants up. I started running in the studio and I pissed on myself. Wow. I was like, oh fuck, you put your pants up

while you're pissing. Pass the while I'm pissing because the whole toilet started closing on me, like it was a big black hole just closing. I'm like, oh Jesus cruble pants. I started running. I'm like, and I come back to the studio, I'm like, fuck, I just pissed on myself. That was like one of the weirdest. Yeah. The thing about acid, it's like really visual, Like shrooms can be visual, but they're also like they also like just have you deep, deeply stuck in your thoughts? Last time I did it

was Sunday Service. The last time the trooms. Yeah, I want to go see yeah Coachella on Sunday Service. So you went to Coachella shroomed out while on acid. On acid was like fucking eight in the morning. Wow, I was just fucking tweaking. I'm like, that was that the only drug you're on? Yeah? Because eight am ship eight am man that she will keep you up. Yeah. Do you feel like because you've obviously been pretty open to it. I mean, you got a fucking song about being addicted

to drugs. How's how's the drug use these days? I'm not doing drugs anymore? What I'm not sitting drank? No, what was your breaking point with that? Ship and by the way, shout out to you for that. That's dope for it. Yeah, I don't know, just that just grew up. Yeah, when you look back, do you feel do you ever feel like you golorified that shit a little too much? Not really, I mean everybody was doing it. I mean that that plaque mask off. The whole fucking song, the

whole hook is about Molly percocet. You know what I'm saying so exactly. Everybody goes to their phases. You know, that's fair. That's how I feel about it, Like everybody goes to their phase, and now we have a mature low pump exactly. Is that what you're telling me? Yeah, everybody, I want the old pump back. I'm like, you guys want the o pump. You don't want the old pump back. We also the old pump was on his way to probably like fucking I don't know, going to or dying

or something dying exactly. Yeah. And now with the whole cancel culture, shit is like you just gotta chill out what you do because remember, like let's say twenty seventeen, Yeah, that was no cancer culture. I mean, it was very light. It was like it was like, but no, but yeah, the ship y'all was posted on like your fucking snapchats and ship was crazy. Yeah, it's like it's it's pretty wild. Yeah. To me, people are just too soft on days, but

they definitely are. I definitely agree with you. I think that this guy is the pendulum swung too far the other way as to where like before it was like maybe you could get away with, like maybe some shit you shouldn't getting away with, but now it's like nothing. You can't do nothing. Man, you say one thing, Oh, you're canceled. You this you that. I'm like, yeah, I sometimes it's better to stay quiet and stay out the way. I respect that. Man. You've been staying quiet and staying

out the way recently. Uh. Now you did do something that is some old pump ship. You destroyed a Porsche. Yes, yeah, I have a history of porches, man, Like, well, what was the for the video? What was your big music video where you sucked up a car? Was that it? So the skeedded music video? Yeah, so this is this a big story and I never told nobody this one. So I'm on the car right, this is not the plan was not to break the car. I'm standing on it performing. Yeah, I cracked the window and then I

looked down. I'm like, fuck, I just broke the back of a race like and then I just look at the fucking producer. I'm like, I'm gonna finish breaking this ship, like they're already gonna charge me, so might as well. Might as well. I grabbed the fucking golf the golf thing, start breaking that bitch. And then after the video's done, I get a call like a week later, like, Yo, the owners don't want the car anymore. You gotta buy it.

I'm like, what, Like this shit makes no sense? But I end up buying a car, and I got two of the same whips and one's just fucked up. One's just fucked up, and I fixed it, painted it. How M sure the cars to get fixed? They were trying to charge me, like forty K. I'm like, you're gonna charge me forty K? Just let me buy the whole car. Wow? Yeah you got the whip at that point. Yeah, I was like, just give me the car. Damn. Bro. That

shit's crazy. It's crazy too, because, like when I said earlier, you're kind of like the Mount Rushmore of that era music. The SoundCloud era. I feel like, like, without you, man, a lot of people like uh, I think that, like a guy like six ' nine, Like, I don't think he ever could have existed without you first? Does that make sense? Like, I feel like you kind of paved the way for like so many artists that got bags during that time. I mean, we could go on and on.

There was like the dude with the fake clone. What was that guy's name? What was the guy who fucking said he was a clone? Terrible music? What the fuck is his name? I don't remember? You know, you know what I'm talking about. The clone dude, he was terrible. Nonetheless, you had a lot of like mini pumps running around, that's for damn sure. Hey guys, we got to stop the interview to tell you about our good folks over at blue chew dot com. That's right. Listen, you gotta

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versus all fucking day. Did you guys send him the beat and he knocked it out or real in the studio together, just sent it, just sent it over knocked it out. What about what about? What tie Ty? I had sent it over to Yeah, any any But it's but those songs are like like different, like a whole nother vibe. It's not rapping pump. It's like more of what's the other R and B? You do an R and B? Well the time when it's called some R and B ship? Yeah, okay, it's fire on the album

purpose definitely on the album. Yeah. Shot Shout out to perp Man. Shout out to perp Man. Would you guys ever do a joint fucking like another little joint thing together? Yeah? You think that's coming again? Yeh? Who are you a fan of right now? Because you're young, I feel like you kind of. I've always kind of been hip to the next wave of shit wave. Man. I've been listening a lot of Spanish music lately, trying to get your Spanish ship up. I love There's a new artist. Her

name is Tolkeisha. She's so I don't know that is she's super hard. I just saw Bad Bunny though, and that shit was crazy. Yeah, Bad Bunny at the fucking so fid Man. Bad Bunny, That's what I'm saying. The Spanish market is just so big. You know, he did the fucking football arena like two nights in a row. It's insane. Yeah, yeah when you see that shit, like, are you like, would you ever do like a full Spanish album like some reggaeton shit. I would, Yeah, to

be honest, I would. Yeah. That market is is insane right now. Yeah, like it's killing it. What is for you, man, now that you're twenty two, now that you're more mature, now that you feel like you're back in your music bag, what would you say would be like some advice since you've kind of lived through it for everybody, for up and coming artists that's maybe eighteen nineteen years old, that's you know, about to really have a moment, Like what

would be the advice you would give them? Maybe the mistakes that to not make that you kind of had to make for them. I mean, just keep working, yeah, be very good assistant and don't give a fun with anybody. Got to say, like there's no right or wrong in music right ever, like I said, Gucci Gang fifty four times on a song one seven times platinum, like right or wrong? And that yeah good, I don't yet. That's it's insane and that that's the shortest. That's the shortest

song that ever top went on the Billboard charts. It was like two minutes. And what's kind of crazy because the whole short song thing. I feel like I could attribute that to you started that. Yeah, you started that. That that was all you. That was all mean Yeah. Like I feel like the whole streaming era when people are like, yo, we gotta make songs be less than two minutes, yeah or whatever that was back then we're

like four verses. But I'm saying like, once you came on the scene and you skyrocketed the way you did, everyone was like, oh, this is the new formula because everyone's attention span so short. It's so short. That's what I'm saying when I when I started dropping those one minute two minute songs, that should change the whole game for sure. I look at everybody dropping. I could definitely tell you, like as from like a being on the

other side of the industry. Once you did that, everybody was like everybody started doing that shit, or they'd be like, yo, it's too long. When you'd have like an artist play or a record be like, yeah, it's gotta be like we're trying to keep everything under two thirty now, and that was never a thing. Never was That was the first charted song since like because how long was Gucci Gang? About like two minutes and something? It was like, but like what was Boss? Like a minute and a half?

A minute and a half? Yeah, like that's so long? And was it was it? Because like were you doing that shit on purpose or was it just like it just came on naturally? Yeah, Like this shit is done, And like you said, everybody, everybody's attention span out on days is way lower, so nobody wants to hear a five minute song, Like I mean, I feel like, yeah, it's kind of crazy. You're kind of ahead of your time because now everybody's on fucking everyone's making shit for TikTok,

and TikTok's what a minute long? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, do you feel like you're kind of made for the TikTok era? Lowkey? Like you kind of get you kind of? Yeah, I made for anything, that's fair. Uh, talk about You've been on some wild tours, man, obviously, I remember when you first kind of had like your big tour where you were headlining. What is the craziest like backstage experience at a little pump show that you remember happening, mm

hmm experience. I'll tell you what I remember. Once I was overseas. What's city was I in? I told everybody, I'm I'm gonna throw my ass in the lake. It was in you were in Germany? Throwing yourself in the lake. Yeah, there was a lake next to the festival, right. I told everybody, fuck this ship, everybody come in here with me, took all my ship off, had all my fans literally jump jump. It was like literally like three thousand people. They all just follow into the lake, cold as fuck.

I regretted. I was like, oh my god, give me out this ship right away. What did I do? Yeah? But this show is so insane? And another one was I'll say Wireless festival in the UK UK It's insane, fire insane. Yeah. Uh are you still only fans? Nah? But you mean I managed girls are only fans? How's that go? Because there's a lot of people who do that. Tiger does that. I think Adam's doing that. A lot of there's good money in that, huh Is it? Is it like when you say you manage them, like, what

do you bring to the table. You retweet their shit like you repost their shit on your page, like we double a numbers. So you're like the stimulus package. If a girl's got an only Fans account and she's not popping, she could sign with you and then you'll bring the numbers up. Yes, how many girls are you helping at the moment? On the on the of we got a roster, You got a roster, We got a roster. Look at it from like fifty to eighty. Jeesus Christ, you're like

fucking bang bros. Bruh, Jesus you ever fuck on the only fans Ah? No, yes, sometimes I don't do that shit, but you've done it before, of course. Yeah, Okay, fair enough. Hey you shout out to OnlyFans, man, it's a good hustle. It's definitely a good hustle. Ty, I think I know Tiger's guy is like a t roll thing that's booming. So yeah, hey, we gotta stop the interview real quick to tell you about our partners at odd Socks are presenting sponsor here at the Bootleg Hit podcast. Listen. Christmas

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back to the interview. When you were putting this project together, was there any like a for you, Like, I'm sure you record a lot, so how many songs got left off the album? A lot? A lot? Because like how many songs did you pull from to put the album together? Like I'll say a good twenty two? So how many how many? How many songs on the album twenty two? No you pulled from twenty two? No, I pulled from like damn near six hundred. That's what I'm not saying. Yeah,

you know, to put on the album, there's twenty twenty album. Yeah, but to pull ship six hundred, she'd just be playing, playing, playing, playing playing. Do you feel like, uh you have any I think back to like when you were like fucking with Diablo and those guys, Like, do you feel like you got a new producer that you're like locked in with that, Like you guys, are you guys got your sound down and ship or is it all different producers?

I'm locked on everybody right now. Yeah, locked on everybody my producer right now, CB, CB mixed, CB mixed, shot out to CB. Yeah. Wow, any other features? I got a couple Kanye who knows, Man who knows, who knows, who knows. It's crazy too, because uh, I was just with a fat naked pool. Yeah. We were talking about kind of like that like Florida era of music that is so influential to everything that's going on right now. You know, if you think about Danzel Curry, little Pump, Smoke,

Purp Fat Nick Pooya, fucking who am I forgetting? Oh? They hit the camera. It's all good. I we know you could afford to fix it. I'm so sorry. He's got to think of throw obviously, Kodak, Black Influence and everybody, you know, do you feel like Florida's finally because I feel like when you were coming up, people weren't really like necessarily giving South Florida their respect And also like a lot of this ship was kind of looked at as underground. You know what I'm saying, Like, do you

feel like finally, like Southern Florida's getting it? It's like love nationally, Like of course, now now everybody sees what Florida did. Yeah, like X two resting piece of Eggs. He was a big He was a big influence in it too. What was your guys' relationship like, because that record you guys put out ended up coming out after he had passed. Yeah, we were cool. He was a very genuine guy. I've known excellence. I was probably sixteen. Yeah that's crazy, but very genuine guy. Fair enough man.

Soon anything else going on with a Little Pump besides the album? Shit a lot any movies, any any entrepreneurial shit going on. You've getting your money, like like I obviously got only fans booming, OnlyFans real estate, and I'm keep buying jury. What's the latest piece of jewelry about? Spike chain came from Elliott? How much is something like that hit hitting for two fifty? You spend two hundred

and fifty thousand dollars on that? Jesus Christ, you ever regret spending that much money on shit after you buy it? Like you know, when you buy something and then almost like ride way, like your stomach hurts because you're like, fuck never, at least you're buying real estate. Yeah, you're not like totally just fucking off all your money, right, Nah? Real estate? Maybe? How many properties do you got? Two of them? You renting any of them out? Are you

just living on in them? Both both of them are getting rented out? Who other crib? Are you still in Miami? Yeah? Yeah, shout out to Miami. There's a way of going on out there. I can't I can't stay away from the crib. I love Miami. Did you get any this fucking crypto money going on out there? All the crypto millionaires in Miami convinced you to fucking buy any NFTs or any of that bullshit. Yeah, that's done with. It's a wrap.

The NFT shit is like I saw you saw a logan Paul bought Uh, he bought a fucking he bought an NFT I think for six hundred and fifty thousand dollars and it's worth ten dollars right now. That shit's insane. Yeah. No, but for off the NFTs, I'm sure he did. Yeah. Did you get out in time or did it crash? I got out of time? You got out in time? Yeah? Too long? Yeah, I was just like what you didn't need too much shit? What up, y'all? We gotta stop

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ship is. I think that Ship is one of the worst bodies of work I've ever heard in my life. I still like it. When I listened to Playboard CARDI I in my head, I'm like, fuck, he's the one artist like when I listen to your ship, I got it. I was like, this ship is hard to play Cardi, shit, bruh, I'm out. It's not for me. I like it. I'm an old head. Whatever it is, that shit they could keep it. I saw him performing their roll aloud. That shit was terrible. He sounded like he was fucking seanceing

demons on stage. It was. It was wild. Brou to me, bro got a good stage performance, like yeah, I mean sure, like if you just like someone screaming yeah, I don't know, man, maybe I'm tripping. But he shout out to Cardi. So that's your last That's that was like two years ago. So there's been nothing else that's dropped in the last two years. Huh. Uzzi has dropped the tape too. USI also on the SoundCloud mount rushmore, who else is up

there with you? It's you and Uzi and then filling the rest X who do you think is on there? Who else do you put on there? Use the X? Probably? I don't know, man. There was like trying to think twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, what do you think? Hmm, I'll definitely put Yak up there. Kodak, you think soundclad I see, I was living in Tampa when he started a pop so I kind of saw him from like a street level like Kodak. Kodak is definitely I think so the

sound cloud no sound Claire. But he's on the Mount Rushmore like, Oh, he's on the Mount Rushmore the last like fucking five years for sure. Yeah, that's fair. Who was the album dropping? Album dropping on? January? January? January? Nice? Any OG's on the on the album? You had Rick Ross on the first one? Had Rick Ross? Yes, I got I got one og. It's trick trick daddy. Oh shit, that's fire. Everything good over there, boys, Just make sure

we're good. You've got your guys over here with like whispering. Make sure we're right over there. Oh okay, okay, yeah, shit's booming. Hey you fuck with uh? You know the shout out to Dooney. He signed a little Sito Kid. Have you been able to lead up with him? A little seto? The little White Little White Kid. It's I've been working with the lights global dudes. Have you heard of him? He's sixteen? I mean he's he's like the Little White Dude who had the freestyle this thisler freestyle,

you're not hip. That's fair. If you had to do a joint album with anybody right now, Pump, who would it be. You don't pick anybody, perp. I mean that, that's easy. Yeah. I just love making music with him. There it is, man, Well listen, I appreciate you pulling up. Appreciate that. I'm coming out in January. January, Little Pump two's on the way. Ooh uh. You're fucking up cars out here, still sucking up cars, doing whatever you want to do and living life. Yeah, man, listen, just don't

get back into that crazy internet antics shit. Deliver with the music. So I'm gonna tell you we need the records back because you can't do the antics without the records, not anymore. There was a time when you could do that. But yeah, low Pump man, I appreciate you. Bro Boom, there it is,