#226 - Symba

He's always ready for action. A Draymond was at your concert at the Roxy. That's my brother. Super nice guy. Yes, great guy. I saw him out back and chopped it up with him. He did a video saying hi to my son. Yeah, so talk to me about your conference. Talked to him since he knocked out Jordan Poole. Ain't

never but a little bit of straighten it. Yeah. You know, I feel like families fight, friends fight, things happen, you know, and you know they just you know, they had to get some just get a little bit of frustration up. That's all it was. It wasn't nothing too crazy. So how bad does he want to be a Laker? I don't know. You would have to call and he's your he's your friend, he's not my friend. We don't talk

about those things. I gotta ask. I don't because at your concert, he was sitting next to Lebron James and his wife. He loves it in La Jordan Poole wasn't at your concert, you know, Kamingo wasn't there. You know, Draymond and Lebron were there. You know. Well, if that, if that does happen, right, let's say that does happen, which I don't think it will happen. When that does happen, let's see, I don't think it will. I think he'll be a warrior. You don't think that. You're just saying

that because we're being work. I think he'll be a warrior. You're full of shit. Let's say let's say that does happen. Okay, Okay, how do you see that working. I think if Russell Westbrook is gone, okay, and they give him like comparable salary to what he's making now, which I think is like twenty seven million dollars, yeah, they could probably afford to get another player. I mean, I'm not mad Ron Draymond and A D. I'm not mad at the at the front court of A D and Draymond. Yeah, I'm

not mad at it. But the problem with the Lakers is they still don't have nobody who can shoot. They don't have no shooters. So it's like, could we get Draymond and Jordan Poole. I think he could push it if you put some shooting. I said. We like, I'm a fucking Laker fan. I'm a Lebron You are a Lakers I'm not. I'm a Sun's fan like the Sons. You just root for him because you're from there. No, you're a Laker fan. Listen Bootleg keV podcast. No, no, no,

I'm gonna tell you what he does Lebron. Let me tell you what he does when he's not in Phoenix. He wears Lakers gear, He goes to Lakers game that he celebrates Lakers wins. He just don't let y'all see the ship because he got this Phoenix monkey on his back. He's a liar. I'm telling you the truth. I've seen him in this suite with a Lebron James Laker jersey on You haven't, Yes, I have. I've never worn a Lebron Lakers jer I'm probably making it up, but I've

seeing you in the suite rooting for the Lakers. I have every Lebron jersey in my except the Lakers. No, I have one. So you see that, yall? He has the fucking jersey. But he wears the jersey to the games. I've seen it. I have it for collection purposes. I mean, I'm I'm Lebron is like my my favorite player ever. Okay, so if you go into my office, I have like a Lebron toy. So what do you think your sons are gonna do this year? Because they lost you some

money last year and a little bit of embarrassment. I think it's gonna be rough. He's gonna be rough because DeAndre Ayden don't want to be there. Jay Crowder is trying to get the fuck up out of there. Should have got Kadi. We tried. I don't think you tried hard enough. You're probably right. We should have just said, whatever, what do you want? Give me what he wants. He's a goat. Hopefully by January fifteenth he's unhappy there and Ayton is tradable and then we we fucking make the swap.

I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go in the state Lakers. So this the Sun's So what that tells me is you are a Laker fan growing up because of Kobe. But then the Warriors got good and you're like, it's convenient because I'm from the Hey, let's go Warriors. You were very close. You were very very close. I know a lot of people first the first half, yes, but it was the we believe Warriors team for me with Baron Davis, Matt Barnes, Stephen Jackson, Michael Petrice. Yeah, it

was that, Jason Richardson, it was that team. Was Beadrin's on that team, the center, the white guy from think he was. I think he was on that team. But that's when I became a real Warriors fan. You were a Warriors fan for like that run and then they sucked again. But even when they sucked, the rocket So Marta Ellis, I rocked with early early Steph. Then Clay came, Draymond came. I remember me and Bam went to the series.

When they first went to the playoffs and played the Spurs in the second round, I think it was around twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, somewhere around there. But that's when we kind of started to see like, okay, the Warriors is about I remember that serious when they first made it to the second round. That's when we kind of knew, like the Warriors, Mark was the coach, Yes, sir, and they got my boy out of there, and it ain't brought him back since. Yes, it's crazy he hasn't got

another job. Yeah, I think he offended the wrong people. Yes, or the NBA is mildly racist. At least we know that's why he didn't get hired by the Suns because the owners. I'm kidding the our coach is black and towards our GM. Hey, that doesn't mean the owner can't be racist. Oh he's a piece of shit and he's out of there. I hope Jeff Bezos PI is the team. They're saying, if Jeff Bezos by the team, it's going downhill. What does that mean? We got to we'll always be

in the luxury tax. You know, you guys, he'll be the richest owner in the league by far, but just living the luxury tax, like y'all do, you guys will be flying spaceships to the games. I like it. You know, you'd just be two in the future to win. I gotta don't see it. Well, listen, man, I gotta give you props. The new album is out, thank you. It's he Got a Boone to pick with you too, It's a mixtape. Why because you called Freddy Gibbs album of the Year over minds. I think his album is better

than yours. Okay, your opinion, I think you got. I think I got you around five. Okay. I put the list together the other day. You're about five. So who's the four before me? I got Freddie Kendrick, Push your T and j I D and then Simba. That's disrespectful. You know what's disrespectful is the songs you keep losing or leaving off these fucking projects. I can't get shit cleared now. You got this fucking was it Black Jesus? Oh? Yeah, that's the oldest song. Yeah, but that ship should be honest,

it's crazy. It comes soon. Let me tell you something. But I respect your opinion. You know you're up there. I put the list together, like literally, what makes what makes those albums better? I just think that they're I just think they're better. I don't know, what, do you want me to lie to you better? Because they're more like you're friends with them. No, you're I'm closer friends with you than everybody, but Freddy, like I love you, bro, like I'm waving your flag all the time. I know

I wave your flag over the tome. I want to put you. They're definite. I'm not. J I D. Has been on my show once. He's a nice guy. I'm not what makes j I D's album better than Mane. I just think front to back it's it's just I just think it's strong. Yeah, but you don't have a reason, you just I think j I D's album conceptually super crazy. He's got a song called Mom and Them on there. I just think it's like to me j I D's album, And I think that the top three or four albums

of the year are all pretty close. Like some days I might feel like it's Push, or some days I might feel like it's Kendrick. I think the top three is like Freddie, Kendrick Push in any order. But then I think it's like j I D. It's you, It's Denzel Curry Joey Badasses album, his album is Dope Convey's album, Benny Tannatos the j I D Two with j I D's album I Just Want to also also also, your Ship's a mixtape, yeah, DJ Drama host it. Yeah, but what's a mixtape compared to album? I agree? I agree.

I'm just I'm just so. I would say that, uh, you are. I just feel like some shit got left off this project. N The only thing that really got left was it was a beat we couldn't get clear. I would say this, I think that your album is great, and I think that you have some of the more like dope relatable shit, and I think that there are I think that some of the like records I don't prefer on the album or probably like the Keyglock record I love, Yeah, I don't, I don't know, just not

crazy about it. That's the record. There's the Jeffrey Dude on that record. Yeah, but I didn't like that record when you played it for me before Keyglock was on it. I like it. I think it's a great performance record. It brings a lout of energy. The album is dope though. No, No, it's a great album. I know. I'm not saying it's not. I'm saying, I'm trying to make you like the song. It's not that I hate it, It's just that I just like, I don't know, I feel like I can't

wait for nothing. It is one of my favorite songs of the year. I told you like just on some yo. Let's talk about this, Okay. Can I open the cabinet a bit, open it up, let's go. Are you sure I'm ready? Doctor Drake cut a verse. I heard the verse. Yes, didn't make the album? No, what that doesn't mean it's not coming. Got tricks up to sleeve. Well, you did two parts to the song. You get the first part. They got to push three. It might be a four, might be a five. There's a few people that like

that beat so that they've rapped to it. Mm hmmm. So I feel like we had a time today where you could keep making your album. So Doctor Dre was supposed to be on the on the song? Is he supposed to be on that song or maybe when that's coming? Well? I heard him on that song, but was it that version? I heard him on the version I feel like person, So what's it like? Uh, by the way, did you help him write the record? No? He he like the

way Dre works is like a collaborative thing. He might take a line or two here, take certain things, but he kind of knows what he wants to say, right, So it's just more so like you kind of just like, so, did you help him with the verse? No? No, no no, no, I didn never met all with the verse. I just pulled up one day and actually the verse we're talking I never end up broke. Yes, yes, never ended up broke.

He actually laid the verse. It was him and them joints and I came to the studio one day and he played it and you know, we're figuring it out exclusively right here on the bootleg keV Show. This is the first time I've ever said this. I gotta get permission to open the cabinet a little. You know, well, you know you you're my brother, so I'm all for it. I mean, I think that like having Dre obviously co sign is crazy because he doesn't co sign a lot

of people. How did uh that a relationship originally start? So Dre has a nephew who's a producer as well. His name is Keon, right, and I met Keon at the studio session. He was like, gonna take you to meet my uncle. We ended up jumping on the phone. He was like, after the super Bowl, I want to link up with you and put some music together. Super Bowl passed. About two days later. He hit me, told me to pull up to the crib. I told everybody in the studio I was going to the bathroom, and

I never came back. Wow. So I left the studio and I went to Dre's house and I was over there for about four days working. I heard his speakers at his house are crazy. It's immaculate. Everything is like incredible, and it's so crazy. Is as loud as the speakers are. When you close the door to the studio, you can't hear nothing. It's just so you just like isolated. Oh I got you, I got you. The room so quiet, like it's like you close the door, like imagine if

we closed that door, Yeah, you wouldn't hear nothing. You could still like you could if that was his studio and you could turn the music all the way up the podcast, you wouldn't hear What the fuck? And then what's crazy is he has that same set up built in about like two or three different studios. Shout out to dream Man. The Goat, the Goat, the Greatest shut Out. So, how many records did y'all do together? We have a few. Wow, we have a record that's really, really, really good. I

wish he drop it. Is it on him to drop it that one? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, okay, Yeah, it's really really good. I can get it come out soon. I think he's working on something. Yeah, I mean I've heard, yeah, I've heard that. You've u there's some potential stuff in the works for you with a lot of artists. Yeah. Yeah. There was a particular record that I really liked of yours that I told Caston. I was like, man, I'm just gonna ask him for the song and just make

it a bootleg keV single west Side Griselda. But he said that that verse might make some big ship. Yeah. I put the verse somewhere else because we couldn't get the sample clear That be the thing, man, These damn simple clearances. Like some of my best verses is like always over a sample, and it's so tough to clear these samples. Sometimes it's tough, and like if you're like you're on atlant so like I feel like that sample clearances Atlantic and they're like they just shoot for the

moon on how much they want to. Robin Thick made it hard for everybody he did. Robin Thick made it hard for because they won that lawsuit against him, right, Robin Dick made it hard for us. And uh, what was the other lawsuit that it was Robin Thick blurred lines and it was another one, the Bruno Mars or no, no, it was, Uh, it was another one. I can't remember which one when it was, but it was another one. But the Robin Thick one was. That was the one. Hey, yeah,

big time, good for that, big time, big time. But sometimes I feel like, you know, like, for instance, I had a record that it's on the project, but it's a different beat behind it, right, And I feel like if the original beat was on it, it was out of here records. I felt like it was it would have been a big, massive record if the original beat was what it was, it was a sample and it was a sample from a big album. And the writer who passed away, not gonna say his name, passed away.

And I think twenty sixteen he told his wife to never clear music after he passes. He wants his music to live on the way that he made it. But I felt like the way to keep the music living on is too and the way to keep money in your family's pockets. Yeah, but I ain't feel bad. I felt bad because the record is this mass. But at the same time I heard like everybody's tried to clear the record. Like I talked to two Chains and he like had the same sample with the same song that

was Man, he couldn't get it clear. Lizzo, oh you know what the two change shit. I wish that would have been on your album sell Itself. Yeah, yeah, I wish that would have been on your album. Why because it was supposed to be and that shit was that shits so hard, And I feel like it was just an album cut on the fucking Two Chain's album as to where if it was a the album left on, for sure, y'all would have shot a fucking video to it. Yet Stove got Cooks on it. I feel like, I

think that's a great rap record. That song so fucking hard. It's a great rap. But that's the problem with it was like at the end of his album. But that's the problem with streaming today. It's like everything is so curated to hear one specific sound. You would have shot that music video though I would have shot the video for sure. That song's hard, but I understand why he did it, you know, like change. I mean, you guys got three songs now, yeah, got three that's out. Yeah.

I mean, I'm sure we got great chemistry though, because I think, like I think with Changs, I bring out kind of like his rap side. You know, everybody knows him for like the Big Chang Chains is a lyricist for Shane's Get Busy, and I always just love to hear him rap. So every time, like we make something pop Paul was like the first like fun just entertaining record. But every time we make something we try to go Bimie. Both of y'all were going in. It was going in

on big Onie for sure. Yeah that's big. You've kind of like had the biggest people in and out of the music industry get behind you, Lebron, going and on and on. But like, what do you I think that Well? I always tell people about you when I say why you're great, is that you be saying the illess shit, but you say it in a way that's so relatable and so like easy. You don't understand how I'm number five. Listen man, when everybody else is so confusing, do you

want me to lie to you? I'm just saying everybody else is so confusing. But you just said here and said, Okay, I break it down in a way that's so relatable. So what's more relatable than results? Take time? It's very relatable. And five and I don't even know what the fuck I was gonna says she was good to say. I was one just Fridge your guy. No, it is Indrix big time. It's not even that he's my guy. He's I told him because Fred is my guy to shut

out to Fred. I love Fred. Fred has always shown me he had a couple of records that we're gonna make the album that I was really worried about because if they would have made the album, I was very worried about, like the direction of the project. If these two records would have made the album and they didn't make the album, Okay, And like I purposely, like I had probably seventy five percent of his album already, but like purposely didn't listen to everything in order. Why didn't

you like those two songs? It must have been commercial, Yeah, you don't like commercial music. Yeah, it was a Forrell record on a swale record. Okay, let me ask you this, what's the most successful record on Fred's new project? Too Much? I think that that's the record they're pushing. But I think streaming wise, I think the one record that's going up is the uh, the fucking Anderson Pac record. The one I keep hearing is the money Bag record. So that record is a single. You don't like that record,

do you? I like it, but I don't love it. I love it. It's dope. I love it. I love that record. Shut out to Fred for making that record. That's dope ass record. But I'm starting to gauge what it is you look for. So you you hate commercial shiit? No, that's not true. You do I like commercial ship? No? You do? I do? You do? You just said you don't like the Jeffrey record. That doesn't mean I love bro. I DJ the same like. I DJ all the ignorant

shit BRO like. I just don't particularly enjoying that record. But that's because you're not. Also, I didn't like I also didn't like the record on the last album, The fucking fucking did not even follow me. I hated that record. I didn't really like that record. That record was to me, that record was a stretch. It didn't feel natural. The key Block record feels natural to you. I just I'm just not crazy about it. I'm with that, Yeah, with that.

I love that record though, performers record, if you come to the show coming tonight, you'll like it tonight. I bet I will. Yeah. But who else has been like the most random person that's like just tapped in, Like whether it's someone who just reposted you or DMD or that Mike Tyson tired yesterday, Mike Tyson and styles p oh. I saw that yeah with the Andrew Martinez. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was dope. And I recently ran into Akon in Atlanta. Great hair. Oh man, he's going crazy. Yeah, I love hair.

He's going crazy. I'm interviewing him tomorrow, tell him. I said, what's up? I will. But I ran into Acon in Atlanta and he was like, yeah, man, you know I've been seeing your freestyles. I'm gonna check out your project. So literally about four hours goes by and my phone ringing his Acon. I was just about to get on stage in Atlanta. I had like twenty minutes before I got on stage, and he was like, yo, He's like, man,

this fucking albums incredible. He was like, I ain't heard nothing like this in five years, which y'all understand why keV got me at five. He said, I haven't heard nothing like this in five years. This is some real fucking rap records. Like you talking some real shit, some relatable shit, right, which y'all understand why keV asked me at five. But he was like, this ship isn't fucking incredible.

I'm like, damn cut, I really appreciate that because I grew up like literally watching you, like, learning how to write hooks, listening a kon of t pain. So the fact that he rocked with it and bulet Kiv did it, I do. What do you mean? I love the album? You said it was number five? That's great you like it? You don't love it? If I bro, I love every other album in my top ten I have, so after that, I have, like, Joey, what other album I love I loved?

I love the Kodak Black album. So that's ko. Kodak got a great Kodex album. Is hard. Kodek's a generation of talent I think he doesn't get. I'm really looking forward to hearing what this Little Baby album sounds like two. Yeah, My Turn was like a classic, So I think it was a classic. I think My Turn is. Yeah. I think we're gonna look back and it's gonna be uh

regarded as a classic for sure. I can't argue that. Yeah, I think I don't think it's a classic now, but I think, like overtime, over time, I be like, damn, I you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I just think, like, you know, yeah, shout out to Baby. Yeah. Who else is dope this year? What albums did you like? Future had the best album of the year? To me, I

respect the opinion, just to me. Yeah, to me. Besides results take saying so you got them, you got your number two then, motherfucker, I got me in one ship, I got me. You know, just dropped a great album, punk and few. Oh the Migos is really good. The uh yeah, no, it's album Herbo's dope. Yeah no. The I'm very sad about the Bingos breakup, to be honest, but what happened. I don't know. They're all related, bro, So I don't get it. You know what happened? Tell

people to happen. I don't know what happened. I mean, I think it was all about money, contracts, QC. Ship. I don't know. I don't know, but I love I love man, damn so sad. I love how they recreated the RAYK. I think it's good why. I think some times certain things run his course. But they're related. Yeah, but I think my thing is if they break up and it's like amicable, they're not, It's fine. Off Set is not related to them, He's not on Takeoff is related.

I thought they related in some I think Vos Takeoff's nephew. Correct, I think is Takeoff's uncle. Yes, okay, one of them. But off Set was the homie. Are we sure? Yes? Are we sure? Yes? They're all related, all related? Yeah, you know they're all related. They can't all be related. No, No, they can't all be related. Google it, dwighted, they can't. They can't all be related. They're all related. They're not. Quavo and Takeoff is related, off Sets the homie? What

was the homie? Look it up? I guarantee you. Wow, I told you we're both from well. I knew that they were related. Damn No, that's a great album though. Yeah. Now I listened to it yesterday. It was real good rock. Marciano has a album with Alchemists. Yeah, Stove got cooking up some dope shit too. I just seen him the other day in New York. The uh Rome Streets album is dough too. Shout Hi. You gotta get in with like that. I want to hear you again with the Alchemists, bro.

I'm ready, man. I've been talking to Alchemists, me and uh the legendary Pete Rock been talking. That'd be hard, but you gotta get in with alc He got a studio Santa Monica. I'm with it. I'm with it. I actually met him through you. I met him with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, through you. Look, I'm sure we'll get in soon. What up, y'all? We got to stop the interview to tell you about our new sponsors, our family at har Dean, Lost Vegas. You see what it is. You see what it is.

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the interview. Hey, let's uh, you know what kind of me and you always have these talks about kind of like you're you have a pretty unique path to where you are right now. Yes, most like you're a new artist, but you're not a new artist. I'm a new artist. Well, you're a new artist to the world, but I feel like your grind is not new for sure, Like kind of give us a little bit of background on just like give me. Let's start out, like when you were running around with DJ a man. Oh wow, so you

were managing artists too. Yeah, So before I actually wanted to be an artist, I was managing artists, right. So it was an artist named Young Kirk. Shout out to Young Kirk. A lot of people know Kurt music. You

remember the Nigga Ma Mama that goes. So Kurt had like a bunch of songs and we would running around and I was just telling this story earlier, like Kurt was like not the most friendly person, you know, So it was kind of tough to like get them to talk to program directors and promoters and so I naturally had to go do that work, which kind of made me more of a people person and understood how to talk to people and deal with people in the industry.

So me and Kurt ran into some differences, and I started doing my own thing and just me naturally seeing what it took to kind of like cut through, I applied that to what it was I was doing. The problem was my music was just terrible at the time. So people rocked with me as a person, but the music wasn't all the way there. So I will notice that.

I will notice when I play my music and somebody else would play something, I'd be like, damn, I shit wasn't hitting like that got around a bunch of different songwriters, a bunch of different producers, signed my first deal at Columbia, immediately realized I wasn't a priority in the building. When I realized I wasn't a priority in the building, about a week later, it was a regime change where everybody who signed me over there and brought me in left

and went to a new label. So I was stuck on this label being a traditional rapper that got signed through writing a song for somebody else, and they wanted me to make music that type of way, what did you write a song for? I can't tell you that. I can't tell that, but it's a well known rapper wrote no from New York though not nuts legend, not Nuts. So I was writing a song and they wanted me to continue to do that, but it was like no,

it was like some melody, younger, new guy. So so I kept going and I did that because I was basically broke at the time. I used all my money moving out here, right, So I was running around buying people drinks, buying tables every night, thinking this is what it get me known, wasting a bunch of fucking money. Artists don't ever think buying DJs and buying table, buying DJ's drinks and buying it doesn't matter. It's gonna change your career. It only when your music is. Actually it's

gotta be dopey. Get the music first and then do that. Actually. Like if I'm and someone and a rapper comes up to me and gets me a drink, I hate it, yeah, because now I feel like you're using me. No, I just feel like I know this guy thinks I'm going to play a song now, and you feel like he's using you. I'm not gonna play the songs, so I'd almost rather just you keep the drink exactly, you know. So I went through that whole phase and then around

twenty nineteen I ran into Dallas Martin. Yeah, and Dallas is like, he's like the A and R. That's like always taking the chance, right. He sign like he's not really just signing you because of your following or because you gotta hit record. He's signing you because he believes and he's trying to change the trajectory of things of how they may be. Yeah. I feel like that's how people should get signed, based off of the gut, based

off the music, not off the metrics. The problem is is people like Boulet Kiv that caused my album number five and all these others get stringed because of what he just said, but does neither here nor there. So people like Dallas got to take a chance on me because people like Boulet Kiv calls my album number five. Okay, So shouts out to Dallas Morton for taking that chance, because without him, I just be number five show. Shout out to Dallas, You're a dick. Jesus. I was gonna

say though, like I always have, like Uh. I love Bay Area music, yeah, but I always feel like the music that gets embraced out of the Bay it almost only gets embraced if it sounds a certain way regional. Like we have a guy named John Coston who we probably both know he's a slimy bastard. Shout out to John. I love him, yeah, but like I'm taught the slimiest

of the slimiest. But like you know, when I'm talking to him about like yourself or guys like Larussell, I feel like the excitement's not there as opposed to if I'm talking to him about like they want us to put guns in the video. I don't know, I just it's just frustrating because I'm like, yo, sometimes I feel like, how is it? In my opinion, you and l Russell, in my opinion, are like the next like Jay Z and Nike knas Like Larrussell's gonna change the music industry

based off of his business model. The music is good, like you're just like I think the new Hove, you know what I'm saying. And I feel like up until like everybody outside of the Bay was fucking with you, it didn't feel like the people inside of the Bay were fucking with you. You You know, Coca Cola was the first cola to be a brand. They didn't take heat of pepsi too much when it first came around, right, So pepsi had to become the drink of the generation.

So related to a new demographic. And what's going on is me and Larussell are relating to a different demographic than what typically you see in the Bay, right. So because of that, you're gonna get clashed, You're gonna get a little pushedback because people have been doing it one way for so long. They look at it like who the fuck are y'all right to come change what the fuck is going on? And that's cool. Oh, we're not trying to change what's going on. He's trying to offer

some balance. We just want to relate to a broader audience. And me and the Russell talk about this a lot. Same thing with Rex light Rise, who's incredible. Yeah, same thing with a little Kayla. You know, like everybody's looking to expand we're tired of being the city that just get looked at as like the little cousin of La, right, you know what I mean, It's like we're bigger than that.

We could be bigger as well, but sometimes our music doesn't translate because well, you guys don't also like make like traditional at least what we look at as Bay Area records. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And to me, that's like I think that that is why I love

the Bay because I love the area music. But I also feel like it is also what makes the ceiling a little bit harder to break through, because it is a bit regional facts and you know, like being down here, Like I remember last year, it was a bunch of people that felt like I was actually from La right, you know, people that actually see me into Bay working and put it work in for years like oh yeah, nigga. But it's like, nah, I'm just trying to expand it.

I'm trying to do something different than just we all get hot, go to petalum or, go to Fresno, go to Sacramento, go to Seattle. Boom come back after that? What comes after that? Right? Why can't we be on the level of a Kendrick Even if Bootleg keV caused the album Number five and Kendrick Number two, Why can't we be on the level of a Freddy Gibbs, even though Bootleg keV calls it number five, Why can't we be on a level We get it, We get it,

you know. So we got to make bigger records and we got to stick together because people like Bootleg keV hasn't called the project number one, but he has went till the Russell's backyard. So we we we appreciate that. If I stayed in the hotel, we love Crest, we love that. Shout out to l Russell too, because he's doing amazing ship. By the way, the Hampton in right across the street from that seven eleven in Balcross. He was in Valo Verla. My hotel that for two nights

was in Vallejo in the Crane World. It was fucking lit. You know. We was at what's the name of that liquor store, King's Liquor. Yeah, it's great. I got the mac dre soda. Yeah, is a very cultural place. No, it's great. Yeah, we had good food there, great Asian were you and the Russell? I mean everybody's been asking you're gonna do a new like you're gonna do an album with him? Yeah, we're talking about it. It's it's timing it's just trying to figure it out. Like he

got a lot going on. I got a lot going on. We've definitely been like talking a lot more. Anytime I'm in the Bay, always go over to his spot. We always link up, but it's like every time we link up, it's more of like a it's more of like a conversation than it is about music, because we're so inspired about being innovative that were always trying to think of like what's the next move for the future, more so than making a song. So it's it's definitely gonna come.

It's just timing. Who else from the Bay? Are you fucking with? JR? Dope? Yeah, that's my boy right there. I just brought him out in Vegas, Young Jr. He's dope. I like Little Rex Life RAJ. Who else I've been listening to? Also like that kid. I think his name is dB by the Bag, but I think he's not like Stockton or something like that up right now. Yeah, he's dope. It's a few people that's dope Blaster. It's a few people I rock with that's got some great

shit going on. You said on your intro that somebody had told you needed to do a song with Kafani Canard. Canard was the program director at Cammelle when I was living in the Bay Area and I was bringing him records that were not the typical sounding Bay record but they were good records. He would tell me that I need a Bay Area sounding record or a feature from

Kafani if I wanted to be played. And I thought that was a very small minded way of looking at things because it was like, Okay, so you're just gonna dictate what people want to hear. How about you at least get a record to shot. That's why I hate when DJ be like I don't like the record. It's like, okay, but what if the people do. He's just not gonna

play it because you don't like it, Like that's not fair. Also, if you're a DJ, you have to understand that, like there's a if you hear a record, you got to understand like who the records for, and you also kinda like you like unless it's a bad record. You can you cannot like a song like I like your song with Key Glock and Jeffrey, or it's a good record, I just personally don't love it, But that doesn't mean

it's a bad record. I recognize like what it is, like, oh, this is hard, Like you're not the type of person that won't play it because you don't like like if somebody came here and be like play Simba and Key,

I know you will play it. There's certain DJs is like I don't like the record, I don't have it, and they have it in the system, and I just be thinking that's just like some Yeah, I mean listen, man, I think like DJ's are very important, but I also think that like they're not as important as they were like a decade ago in terms of like radio radio. I'm radio specific. See that's where my mind be fucked

up because I think I'm with you on that. But I think there's a way that they can be And I think because they be so stuck in traditional ways and not trying to innovate what the DJs looks like today, they get stagnant. Right, So it's a lot of DJs that can kind of because if you look at it right, streaming tells people what to play, so it kind of fucks up the discovery process for artists. So if you get DJs linking up with artists, now, DJs can help

break artists. Artists can help break DJs. I just don't know if a DJ breaking your record in wherever it is, I don't know how much that actually correlates to like people giving a fuck anymore. And I'm on the radio every day in fifteen cities. I'm telling you, I just don't know if it matters. Like to me, it's the final phase in like making a hit record a hit record, because you're never gonna like chart really high on Billboard

without radio play. But like I feel like in terms of like garnering people's interests, garnering fans, streams, all that shit, I'm not sure what radio brings to the table unless you are like in power rotation across the fucking country, which means your song's already moving anyway. Yeah, I agree, But I think because like if somebody plays your song at like eight pm on a Friday night, yeah that's dope.

It's cool for like an ig repost, but like the chances depending on what city it's in, Like, But that's why I said, I think it has to be an attachment with the DJ and the artist because DJ's helped the discovery process, right, Yeah, I think I think I actually think like a DJ playing your shit in a big club over and over again is even probably like a little bit more effective than somebody playing radio. That's

what I'm saying. Yeah, so it's not just radio, it's having that artist to DJ relationship to where my DJ right Erie shut out Hiller Erie, Like, now, okay, what was it four months ago? We would only do things in the Bay right right, So now we've been on tour every night when he starts to set out, he's playing never so now when Utah, when Denver, wh in all these different places. So the more he gets booked, it helps me. The more I get booked, it helps him.

I think it's the artist the DJ relationship which can help break up artists today versus it kind of being like this divisive thing of I work for the radio and you need to make a radio record. Well. Also like radio personalities for the most part, are really entitled dickheads, yeah, who feel like they matter more than they do for sure, And I'm a radio guy, and it's like, but you're

deeper than the radio guy. But I'm saying, like it is not in my best interest to share on my own profession, But you can sit here and have a conversation with anybody. Most of them can't, right, because these motherfuckers wasn't the coolest growing up, or they didn't come from certain environments that we did. So it's different with you. Because you could do a podcast, you can jump on Real ninety two three, you could jump on BT, you could do whatever it is you need to do to

get the job done. Everybody can't do that. So that little bit of authority that they have at radio, they try to hold on to that ship as long as they can because that's all they fucking got. Yeah, yeah, I see so many guys like, uh, Midwest DJ. I was just talking to my boy about IM, like, Yo, why is the dude still carrying himself? Like it's O two? Yeah, Like what's happening? It's twenty two. I literally was just

in the city. I'm not gonna say the name of the city, but I was in the city three nights ago and they was we was listening to the radio and he was like, how this record in the city right now? And it was Meek Meal I'm a Boss, And I was like, bro, where the fuck have you been? The last that was ten years ago? Like at least played the intro like she's explaining a boss Like it was like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah, so

it is it's hard. Yeah were you Were you ever trying to make those records like dude, Definitely, Yeah, definitely, definitely. I still attempted sometimes. I Mean, the thing is, it's like you could do it, but it's gotta be or gang, gotta be organ Like dude, when Two Chains did I'm Different, it didn't sound like Two Change was jocking fucking la. It just sounded like he made a hit. You know what I'm saying exactly. When Yo Gotti hopped on Act, it was like, this ship is natural. It just got

to be done right. And I think sometimes as West Coast artists, it's a little different for us because our music moves a little faster, and the sound of today is more so of a trap sound, which is slower, yeah, the national sound. Yeah. So some of the records that work over in the South doesn't work over here, But some of the records work over here doesn't work over there. So I think that's why Roddy was so that so great because but not only was it that you could

understand them. Yeah, So a lot of times, like us being from the West, we don't comprehend with the southern accent as well. Roddy made it to where you could kind of like get it right away no matter where you was at. Shout out to the rich guy too, man, my boy Roddy Rich. Yeah, he was one of the later features that got added right. Yeah, but because me

and him had a record before. Remember I played it for you a long time ago, and we couldn't get that one clear, I'd have to say, you guys are pretty much you got the same an r same, he had the same man or he was cool got you. It was cool before that because he had did something for one of the homies back before I even had met Dallas, so we knew me him and Kifa and Cash had a relationship before I even had met Dallas.

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one A, one B. That's interesting Future all time? For me? He's the greatest club artist of all time. No, he's a lyricist, and he's a lyric he's one of the best songs. He's one of the best songwriters ever. But for me is lyrics that relate to my life. Truth, it probably doesn't relate to everyone else. So you're a drug addletes. No, I'm not a drugs shit drugged out. I can be toxic at times. Okay, that's right. I can be toxic toxic. I love having fun. Yeah, I

love looking at life from different views. I love future, I love women, I love vacations. I wouldn't put him. I wouldn't put him in in the top ten though, I just said he's mine. No person, I respect him or personal Like I think remember that meme that was going around like two years ago, and it was like Field of Mount Rushmore in it was Drake, Kendrick and Cole. I think Future is the fourth one of this generation. I agree, Yeah, yeah, yeah, or yeah, not Travis Future,

it's Futureture, It's for sure future future, for sure. It's not even close, not close future. Yeah, Because what was twenty ten or eleven twenty ten? Is it twenty ten? Oldest ship? It might have been twenty eleven. Might it's twenty ten or twenty eleven, but either way, go No, he's not a decade run and it's pretty crazy and he's it's wild, still going, still going. And the new album, like he had dropped a few albums recently that I was like, but the new album, the new album was

the one. Yeah, that was great. He ain't ship for sure, and he's probably like top six or seven most influential guy ever in rap, top five. I wouldn't be mad at five he got my album at five. I mean he could at least put future she's top five most influential because it's like it's it's probably like he was your top five most influential in hip hop. I think it's Tupac and I'm just not in no order Tupac Hove actually not no, no, no no, not jay Z. I'm sorry.

Tweet jay Z's not tough. Wait wait wait wait, hold on, I'm thinking in order, no wonder my album's number top five influential. I was leasting them off in my head in order. I think it's POC. I think like overall in the game, like all time, like who made it okay to really rap rock him? And I know that's like some old head ship to say because that's before my time. But he was like the first dude with you on that because before rock Him, nobody was really

doing this right. Everywhere people walking on this Tupac, rock Him, Hove, Kanye and Lila Wayne. I can't argue that because Kanye, I cannot argue has changed music hip hop like four times. I cannot argue that. And then it's like future Chief Keith Drake Drake even now, I can't even say that because musically he didn't want to get slipped on ace Hood. I can't. Great guy, great, great physicus. So many people stole ace Hood style. Yeah, people have made careers off

of ace Hood. So listen, don't say a statement like that and not tell me who's stolen his style. A lot of people give me one name. You do the the Migos flow. The Migos flow comes from an ace Hood style. Really, Yes, I guess I'm not listening to listen to early ace Hood and listen to We're not Gonna put in the top. I'm not saying you can put them wherever you want to put them. What I'm saying is he gets slept on has taken his style and ran with it. There's early Meek Meals songs that

feel like I'm not seeing Meek store. They came at the same time, so they kind of fed off each other. But that style of hustle hard definitely under throwing my pocket, numbing up profit, but not double up with my profit. That whole flow came from Acehood the same way niggas wrapped today. All right, well, a Hood gets his flowers today. Shut very underrated, discography too, very underrated, very underrated, shut out,

most fit rapper, most fit. That motherfucker's yoked more than fifty. Yeah, what did you see fifty hanging upside down at the Super Bowl TV? Pushing weight on you? Though, man, Now, Ace Hood is like a fucking specimen pause Like that motherfucker is like a goddamn He's like the Rock. Have you seen him lately? No, he's fucking jacked, really like Jack. It's like it's like he should he should be like fighting or playing football or something. He's fucking I knew

he was always like a fit. No, no, no, he's like no, he fake guy. It's like him and method man is him in the Rock? No, I'm talking about hip hop like method Man is also pretty about him and Diesel. I think Vin Diesel is probably more flabbyer than Thehthood for sure. Yeah, what about the Rock and Vin Diesel? The Rock is a fucking alien. Did you see the baby that they was passing around in the crowd? Oh, I think he meant the baby. I'm like, yeah, a baby's kind of in all right shape. I guess yeah,

they crowdsurfed the baby. That was a newborn baby just getting passed through a crowd to go to the Rock. And the Rocks just like, this is weird. That was some ship super well. That kid's parents need to be detained. How do you feel about artists saying that they're blackball nowadays? Speaking of the baby, some of them more. But what does that mean? I think blackballed is when you've pissed a certain person off that has the authority to make a call to stop your emergence. I think it can

stop your momentum, for sure. But I think if you have real fans, I don't think. But that's the problem. Most people don't have real fans. They have fans of songs, so when the sound dies out, so do they, and they never build an underbelly. That's why I appreciate my dog Jodan Lucas for taking me on this tour because he's fans, yes, and it's allowing me to convert them into Symber fans, and they're learning about me. And that's why you got a guy like Tory who's always had

like that super strong or following. But Toy is a different thing. See, but I'm saying Tory can say, you know, I've been blackballed from Playlist, which has definitely happened, but it doesn't matter because he's still had the best selling album of the week. But he's an anomaly because that motherfucker's talented show and everybody's not that talented. Most people aren't as talented. Everybody ain't got that talent to be

able to wiggle through that ship. So some people they kind of forced to take a back seat because they can't do some of them things that he could do. So he's he makes timeless music consistently like anomally. He's an alien talented level person for sure. Everybody ain't got that.

That's real. Everybody ain't got that. And if you don't have that and you're trying to cut through and you didn't piss the wrong people off, going to be to Yeah, I understand like what Russ was saying, because Russ was like, you can't be blackball if there's the internet. He's right,

but he's also there's no context. Sometimes just say there's no context to he's right, but that doesn't mean that somebody can't stand in the way of opportunity that will lave it like like elevate your whole entire ship, like, which is why he is right and saying if you have a core fan base, you'll be fine. Nobody can blackball you, but you can if someone doesn't put you on rap Cavear office. And I'm not saying that's ever happened. I don't want to put that on car or anybody

over there. But somebod doesn't put you on a playlist on purpose because something you did or you said, or they don't like you and I and that's the only reason they didn't put you on it. That playlist could be the difference between an extra five million streams and everybody's every The way everybody built their career is different. So Russ had the ability to build his career through SoundCloud and touring and building out and making different type

of records that somebody liked. The baby wouldn't get off if he was in that position, you know what. And the baby also came up with like a pretty solid core foundation. No, for sure. But I'm just saying it's gonna be tougher for somebody like the Baby than it would be for us, right right. And there's a whole bunch of different reasons that go into that. But everybody's My whole point is everybody's journey is different, So you

just can't say that someone can't be black Ball. I think I think both sides are correct because there's context to both sides. It's two sides. You know what else is important? Something you said earlier when you were tourn with your artists. You're managing, you kind of have to have people like want you to win. Oh yeah, like people kind of have like either they have to like you, or you gotta be Kanye West for sure. For sure,

That's what I'm saying. Toy is an anomaly or you gotta be NBA Young Boy, where it's like it doesn't anomaly, you know what I'm saying, it's nothing you can do NBA Young Boy just dropped the album what was it Friday? I think he's put out one hundred and ten songs this year. Okay, so listen to this, right NBA. Young boy just put an album out Friday. Yeah, he just announced another one today. It's crazy. There's nothing you could do about it. Dwight. Is he helping keep the lights

on over there? He's contributing to those lights. Cardi ain't dropped in a while. Shit shut out to Cardi because she been flaming them versus oh my god, that tomorrow too, versus crazy she killed that and she just killed the munch beat. I haven't I saw she got on it. I didn't hear it. Yeah, she's been killing versus Yeah she's I'm excited to hear some new Cardi. You know what I say about Cardi. Cardi delivers records. I don't know if she's writing or not writing. I don't give

a fuck. She's delivering records, delivered so hard. It doesn't matter. She doesn't. She doesn't have to write if she don't want to. Yeah, and I'm sure you have you been helping people with the pen behind the scenes. I haven't been lately, but in the past, you know, that's kind of I got my name though. Yeah, But lately, no, I haven't. I really haven't been in the studio in

like the last few months, a couple of months. I got in the other day because I'm working on some stuff with the Warriors and I had a few features to do. But and it was fun because I haven't been in there in a minute, and I was kind of liking results take time Molde to where I was trying to make songs or Draymond's disk to Jordan pull No, no, that's not coming. But it was fun to be in the studio though. So I'm excited to get back in

and like being on the road. It's made me understand different tempos and different sonics and like why certain records hit a certain way they do. So I'm starting to look for a different type of production going into this next project. What is something you've learned from just being around Joiner for a month? Man a lot bro I would say he's got the best videos in the game. He's got one of the best minds in the game. His team is great. They're very focused, they pay attention

to detail, very close. They're very concerned about how the fans received the show, even the music. They're always thinking of ways to be innovative and on brand. But one thing I remember after I think it was like the third night. I kept like because I would kill, I'll be killing every show and then I'll walk out. And then it was one night where they was they was like chatting like shim sim I walked off the stage and he was like, yo, He's like, you gotta start

going out there taking pictures. But I'm thinking, like I'm thinking, like shit, I gotta get out the way suit, you know what I mean. He's like, nah, go out there taking You don't want to be the guy who while the headliners closing there's like a line of people trying to take a picture exactly. That's how away from his shine. He was like, nah, you gotta take the pictures. So the next day I start taking the pictures and I

start watching my following go up. He came to me the next day he was like, you gotta tell him to tag you in the pictures. Yeah, you know what I mean. And that's how you get them die hard. Yeah, Like I went up like I think like one hundred and twenty thousand followers just in the last month just on the road album coming out. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that shit's crazy. It's been dope, bro, it's been a great and you've been killing it on the scene. Shit, it's

crazy because you got the End the Game record. That is my son's favorite song, really, yes, mad my eight year old. Yeah, he's like loves that fucking song. It's dope. We actually just got word that the NBA is going to be doing something with that this season as well. Nice and that's right here on the botlet giving a song on your on your album, No it's out there, yeh.

Space Jamship was dope. Yep. Yeah. I feel like those records do well because they're like all purpose records, and me sometimes as an artist, I'd be so concerned about building out who the simber fan is. I naturally try to run away from them records on projects they like build the fan base out, But I'm slowly starting to see how they perform on the road, so I'm like, I need to mix this in a little more. So

you the first project came out in December twenty twenty. Yeah, we just got the newest Yeah, the Gangs the Grills, Yeah, number number five album of the year. Correct. The fifth best album of the year. Yeah, yeah, what an accomplishment it is. It is a great accomplishing. I wrote all those verses to be number five, guys. I mean that's better than ninth. It's still fus anyway, Hey, what up? Y'all's Bootleg keV here to stop the interview? Sorry, uh,

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Monica and get in with the Alchemists. Yeah yes, get in with Dre, getting with Drag yeah yeah, get in with a bunch of people. And I'm trying to I'm trying to push something out like summer so before. Yeah, but I'm gonna be dropping music singles. Yeah, it might drop a four pack, a couple of two packs, but the next project for sure, trying to get it out

before summer. For you, what do you feel like is the biggest uphill battle being and don't say having your album be number five, just being an artist and toda day's landscape that is more on the lyrical side, that is more like I always compare you to Jay Z because I feel like you remind me so much of him in terms of talent, but also in terms of persona. Like, you guys are not trying really hard. You're just cool motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying. You're likable. But what is

the biggest challenge? Just being Simba and in today's hip hop game, like like talk about that sometimes living in the future too much. I've recently seen Kanye say something where he was like, I might not be right. I'm just not right right now. You know what I mean to say, He's wrong about a couple of years right now. What I don't know. The White Lives Matter. That was a stretch, Okay, I got a take on that. Okay, we'll get to that. Finish your finish your point, and

then we'll go there. Okay. Sometimes I feel like I live in the future so much to where I'm thinking so far beyond what's going on right now. I'm not seeing what I can do to better my situation at the moment. I'm always kind of thinking first, so I drop a project and instead of like coming up with all these different content ideas to continue to push the project. I'm already on Okay, this works for tour. They like these drums, they like these sonics. This needs to be

the next sound. But I'm already moved on, Like Christmas then already passed in my head. I already bought my son gifts and now I'm getting everybody. So I'm in January, you know. And sometimes it's it hinders you because you missing what's going on right in front of you. So

I feel like that's one thing. And also like being from the Bay and trying to be somebody that's doing something a little different than what typically goes on in the Bay is an uphill battle because sometimes you go through these like who the fuck does he think he is? Versations right, you know, issues to where it's just like

I don't think I'm better than nobody. I'm just trying to expand what the fuck it is we're doing all the way around the board, right, And sometimes they could get taken the wrong way, But I would say those are the two three. I mean, if you think of like the biggest rapper commercially besides MC hammer, Yeah, and the forty obviously longevity, but it's g easy in terms of just success now maybe not currently, it's not like

on fire, but I mean just peak, peak fame. You know what I'm saying from the bay, from the Bay, peak fame. And I'm not telling you put mc hammer too short? Yeah? What easy over too short? What do you mean he headlined a a fucking eighteen thousand c fucking tour. If you're using your white privilege right now, No, no, no, we're just talking about. What are you talking about? You'd put g easy over too short? Yeah? Peak, you're fucking crazy,

peak fame hit fucking crazy? What you're fucking crazy? No, no no, no, I'm not talking about you know how many people know too short. I'm not talking about fame. I'm not talking about longevity. I mean like, who had the highest peak? Gezy never had the peak? It too short? That that's not true. Too short made the world say bitch, oh my god, what are you talking about? Listen, what are you talking about? Nah, what are we talking about? I'm talking about peak peak, We're talking about Gez is never

bigger than too short. That's not true. No, at a moment, no, no, I can't. I can't agree with you. No, I love too short. Too short is the coach you're getting into one of my fad I'm not disagree. I said, Okay, if we're taking that's why I said E forty with the longevity. But if we're talking about who had the craziest, like too like, we're talking about this motherfucker's got a diamond record, fine diamond, Pitt Bull got diamond records, and

maybe e Vanilli got diamond record. Listen, pit Bull is arguably the biggest rapper from Miami. Ever, now, I'm not saying I love Pippules music is probably the biggest pop star from Miami. But he's not the biggest rapper. He's also a rapper. Hey, he's a pop star, So what's a drake? It's g easy. So you can't compare fucking G eazy to cultural as too short. I'm not saying too short is not the culture. And I'm not saying too short isn't culturally more relevant and important. I'm not

saying too short is bigger, bro. I'm not saying, listen, bigger than the culture. How about we compare the sales. Yeah, let's see. I just said, Okay, just too short to of have a diamond single. It doesn't matter. It's blow the whistle diamond. It might be I don't know. Let's look that up. Is blow the whistle diamond Dwight. This is a crazy conversation, KIV. You're you're crazy right now? I am? Now about this? How about this? What's this? Name of g Z? Record me myself and I no limit?

What do you want me to do? Name with two short? Rigor blow the whistle? Getting it? Oh? You're gonna do that? What do you want You're gonna do that? Okay? Cocktails? Let's see what we're doing cuss words? What do you want me to do? I see what you're doing? Too short? Bro? As a kid, and this is no offense to g because I fuck with you. I love too short. Gee, we're talking about I love to not bigger than too short. I'm not saying overall. I mean, like at the peak, no,

who was who was doing arenas from the bay? Imagine fucking too short with social media in the nineties. Bro, We're not we can't we can't do that, okay, but we can imagine Gezy with social media, right, So we can't take that away? Okay? Okay? So can I just ask you one question, who's headlined arenas in the United States outside of the Bay. Since MC hammer, I'm asking from the Bay a rapper. It's only one answer. It's GZ from the Bay this headline. But jeez, he's a

pop star and he's a rapper. No, he's a pop star. Okay, that's fair. Rap music, bro, he's a pop star. Okay, But but but can you answer the question to the answer? I just I just answered answered. I don't know a rapper, but was who is it? So answer the question? Who's the rapper? Pop star? G Okay, she's the same guy who brought forty on the Road. I am Sue on the Road, Kaylanne on the Road, Peelo on the Road, brought the Bay up like it's people who wouldn't have

a sustainable career. Since MC hammer, we can agree that the only rapper to headline arena is across the country since I'm Hammer, Because you got people like I'm not going to hammer. I need to do my research. I gotta do my research. I can't just who was it? Who else? I don't know right off the bat. But he's a pop star and he's a rapper, rapper, He's a pop star. He's a rapper. He's a pop star. Bro name one rapper that could fucking make me myself

a nun uh uh fucking Drake could make that song. Man. Drake's a pop star, Okay, Drake's also around breaks, a legends, a phenomenal rap. He's incredible. He's a top tier, top tier for sure, But he's a pop star. Logic could have made myself know he fucking wouldn't logic. He made the suicide record that ship was hard, but it wouldn't mean myself and I. So, so you're saying he could make that because he had no So he's cool enough as G to sell it, how G because because he

made a song that win. Who's a better rapper? G or logic? I think logic is better? Okay yeah, lyrically logic. He's a pop star bro, but he's a rapper. He raps on pop records. No No Limit is a rap song, Random is a rap song? What are we talking about? Was Cardi B song Man? West Coast is a rap song? So, so I won, just so we know you didn't win. He didn't win. I'm gonna do my research because of what I didn't say. Was. I did not say too Short wasn't bigger in the culture and more important, I

didn't say that. I'm saying metrically at their peak, it's gazy, and he made records that weren't. And but he also made some barrier shiit he made by calm down and you might you're right. He is white, so he had a lot of too Short can't do some of that ship gzn. He's a pop star, bro, I don't listen we we. I was trying to bring the conversation around to saying that g was huge because he made non traditional Bay music like No Limit is not it's eighty a BPNs. Yes, but think about okay, think if a

black person made the same music. Mad, You're right, I wouldn't work. I'm not saying you're you're right. I agree fully. So he's a pop star. He's a white rap rapper because rappers don't have the privilege to do what pop stars do. Eminem is a white rapper. Who if somebody imagine if somebody like Eminem or just as if some doesn't get the I agree, But we can't just take them out of You can't ignore the numbers. That's all I'm saying I'm right saying they're enhanced because of a

certain demographic. You're right, That's what I'm saying. Can it be true that both of us are right? No, because I'm top five on the Albums of the Year, so somebody gotta win. So we're both right, We're both right. We'll agree to disagree. White Lives Matter. Tell me your take on Kanye's T shirt. Okay, a white man owns the slogan black Lives Matter? What if Kanye owns the slogan white Lives Matter? Can I break some news right now? Okay, my best friend in the entire world is a black man?

Ramses owns White Lives Matter? Is he linked with Kanye? No? Well, I don't know. Kanye don't own it, but a black man does. A black man owns White lives matter? Right now? So Kanye is promoting black businesses? Yeah, I mean I don't think Kanye knew that because he just bought the fun What if he did know? You don't think it's a little like a like Uh, I'm not saying greet right, I'm just saying, instead of us all bashed, let's see what's the madness behind it? Like, does he own this slogan.

I know Candice Owens has a documentary coming out about all the money Black Lives Matters stole from people? Is this merch for that? So my thing is is a couple of things can be right. One, Black Lives Matter the organization, Yes, clearly bullshit some bullshit, yes, right, Yes,

I donated. I Also I'm glad I talked to Killer Mike when all that was happening, because he told me who to give money to, and I give it to like not like I gave it to money went to Joe Biden whoever went So that's true, right, Yes, the

fucking foundation is obviously corrupt. Yes. What also is true is the term Black Lives Matter is factual, and the reason why it became a thing was because it is pretty evident that in the United States, black lives have never been valued in the same way white lives have

been valued. Right, So I think in the spawn of like Black Lives Matter becoming this movement that a lot of old white people associated with riots and violence and shit, white Lives Matter became the opposite, or All Lives Matter became like the super like crazy redneck trump maga hat wearing ass thing. To say, so the term white lives matter is also true. White lives matter, sure they do.

All lives matter, all lives, of course, all lives. But I just think that that when you say white lives matter, it's not just them, like what Kanye said on Tucker Carlson. I said it because it's true, like he's not wrong, But at the same time, like the symbolism of wearing that, I think that's where it gets combative because it's like exactly what you're saying. It comes across as you're going against just to do it just But I don't think at the level Kanye's that, and you know, I could

be wrong that he would just do that. To do that, I think there's definitely some type of method behind it, and there's something coming behind I don't know what it is. But what I'm going to say is until I fully know, I'm not just going to develop an opinion and just be like, oh, fuck Kanye because he wore a white Lives manager, I want to see what's the medic behind it. Now, if it's solely him just being a dick, you know what I mean, and want to be eco bad of,

then I'm not for that. But if it is something behind it, the way he's trying to change the narrative, let's see how. And I understood like his reasoning for wearing the Trump hat because I think he is I didn't get that. So I understood it because he essentially was saying, you don't have to like the Democratic Party has taking advantage of the black vote forever. For sure. The whole reason why Joe Biden is a president is because I think it was the South Carolina. Has anybody

seen Kamala Harris? She's from your city, right, has anybody seen her? I don't know, man, I haven't seen her since she was Yes, Joe, we did it. We did it, Joe, I haven't seen her. I'd like to see you outside. But I think him wearing the Maga hat was a point to be made that hey, we're not automatic, like think freely, think to yourself just because you're black. But

that's Kanye, Yeah, that's Kanye. I think sometimes he's so much of a Ford thinker, right, it gets the message gets lost because of the way it's communicated at times. I don't think he means any harm. I think he's a disruptor, right, I think he's a creative genius. I just think sometimes he communicates his message in a confusing way to certain people. But I don't think we should bash him for it. I think we should hear him out, see how it plays out, what happens, and if we

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bash him because you've been around him. You know him is something to it, Like he's always thinking forty that's when he was living there, right, Yeah, Yeah, he was there for forty Well, he was there for like a month, but I was there for four days. And watch him write a song, go in another room doing melody, Go in another room and design a building. Going to cafeteria and have a meeting with Belinciaga about what the fashion

show needs to look like in twenty twenty five. Yeah, go to rehearsals, go to choreography, go back in the room and tell them joints to make a beat. Take a certain part of that beat and send it to eighty eight keys. Like he's he's just a creative guy, you know. So it's like I can't being around somebody like that. It's hard to just say they're coming from a place of malice, that's fair. You know, you kind of gotta see it all the way through because you

might not have the full information contact. Yeah, so I gotta wait and see. I don't I don't know. I can't just make an opinion being around Kanye and Doctor Dre. Yeah, creative processes I've heard on each side are insane, Like, what was the biggest difference I heard Dre's perfectionists like a crazy perfectionist. Dre is somebody I would say that it was where he wants to go and take time to get there. Kanye is somebody that takes time to

get to where he doesn't want to go. Don't know where he want to go yet, Like the journey is the journey free right, right, So he might always known, yeah, Like he might hear a beat and like, for instance, I did a certain melody in a cadence right, and I did a rap to it. He didn't like the words, but he liked the cadence right. And then he heard a specific beat and he only liked about four bars of the beat, and then he took that four bars,

sent it to another producer, and then changed it. So you ever noticed when his songs that play for like eight bars and then do something like doom doom, doom, doom doom do then it change. That's like four or five different producers all on one idea. So he might take one part of this beat, one part of this beat, one part of his beat, and figure out way how to mess him and then do the song on top of that and still bringing a Mike Dean or a Travis Scott or somebody like that to take it to

the next level. So with him, it's just constant creativity. But Dre is like, I know where I'm going, Like I know how this need to sound, I know how this need to feel, I know what I want to say, I know what I want to do. He takes his time to get there. With Kanye, is just free lance till we figure it out. From what I've seen. Wow, that's dope. I mean because both of those guys are We always hear about the processes being so incredible, some of the greatest to ever do it. What is your

top five rap albums of all time? Simba Top five rap albums no order, in no order and no order fifty Get Rich of Dad Trying. Oh yeah, Kanye was the college dropout, jay Z the blueprint, okay over reasonable doubt hunh Yeah, I'm a blueprint guy. That's fair. That's fair. Doug Motivation one on one, great album. I think Thug Motivation one on one is better than ye Madic. I respect your opinion. I don't agree, but I respect it. Why don't you agree? I just like Illmatic e Maadics.

Why because everybody says it's a classic. I mean, now, he's my favorite MC of all time. When was the last time he lives in Deal Madic? Yesterday? I was listening to New York State of Mind is a fucking hip hop er, that's all. What do you want for me? Man? It's a hip hoper, man, it's ten songs, it's a hipoper no I love, I love listen TM one on one is fucking exquisite. I listen to that album more than I Madic. I think still Madic is better than

yill Madic. You see, the thing is is there's a song on still Matic called Brave Heart Party feature Mary J. Blige that is one of the worst NOA songs ever, And it's just that song's fucking terrible, and just the fact that that is on Steal Maatic takes it out of the conversation. In fact, it's such a terrible song that when they repressed Steal Madic like two years later, they took it off. Have you ever heard of someone

doing that? Imagine the song being so shitty that there are certain versions you buy and it's just not there anymore. It's almost like the Trey song song on teflon Don. Fuck, that song's garbage. It's like the only it's like the the only song on teflon Don. That's like I got you. Yeah, I would say you got one more college drop Thug Motivation,

Get rich Get Richard Trying, and future Monster Monster. I mean, he is your favorite rapper, right, so it'd only be right if you had him included in your top five. Not quite an album though it was on that pit for a very long time. Album. That's just during the time we call everything mixed tapes because it was free to U blot. That's fair. I respect it. I got to get rid of that Trying in my top five,

I got. I got the Reasonable Doubt though over Blueprint, and I have I have late registration over Blue Guy because I'm somebody that likes simplistic lyricism, so I felt like Reasonable Doubt was so lyrical, like it's a hard listen for me. But Blueprint it's like very digestible. Also, I got Doggie Style in there. Doggy Styles definitely, Yeah, definitely in the top It's up there for sure. And then my beautiful dark twist of Fantasy that's one of

the greatest hip hop's albums. I actually think it's the greatest ever. It's not my favorite Kanye album, but it might be. It's probably it might be the most perfect album the rappers ever made. It might be. I think that is like one of the greatest album But like you said, it's not my personal favorite. My personal Kanye favorite is college dropout or I look, really, registration. What was the next one? Graduating? Graduation? College drop out and

graduation is my favorite. Yeah that's fair, all right? So the album is out? Yeah, results take time, number five album in the world compared to Blueleg if the top five album of the year man top five? Thanks, I'm just you know, kid out here number five. I mean, there's plenty of years Lebron was fitting MVP voting. It's not fair. How you be the best player in the world and you're just number five. Sounds like what I'm going through here at the Bootleg cam show. Ladies and gentlemen.

You could be the best in the world and be number five. So the number five album of the year is out, you could go support it. Yeah, and maybe it's in your top one. Yeah, yeah, it could be. It could be. It's you. It's your favorite album. I think it's one. Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's a project out with that much balance. And then you got Futures album number two Yeah yeah, and Fred and Kendrick and j I D. Push Your T's album was crazy and Push your T. Yeah, I just said, what

was it like getting pushed on on that record? Because that record it was dope, man, because you know me and push knew each other for a minute. Yeah, so it was it was it was dope because it took us a minute to find the right record to do. But once we kind of like, once I made that. I'm glad you put the original first though, because I love I love the verse that got left off the Pusher one. Yeah. Yeah, first verse, the first verse the

best verse because it's so relatable to Cali. Yeah, like that's but that's originally when I was writing the song, I was writing it from a perspective of I was originally about to make it this comparison between La and the Bay, right, That's what I felt like, And it first took a turn into like all the things we do to get money to never end up broke. That's tight there, it is, Manok. The tours about the end. By the time this comes out, the tour be over. Definitely. Man,

thank you to my brother Jodan Lucas. You know, that's that's become my real homie while we've been on this road. I appreciate him like a motherfucker man. He's taught me a lot, gave me a big opportunity, helped me gain a lot of new fans. Tours been great. I'm excited to get back in the studio and just bro, can we get some merch? Yeah? About that? What's up with the merch? Bro? I'm like over here trying to like, yo, can I like, there's no fucking merch? What are you doing?

You're on tour. You should be selling t shirts every fucking tour stop. The merch got fucked up. The merch got fucked up? Was that because of Atlantic. It was nothing to do with Atlantic. It was the company that we decided to run with ended up fucking the merch up, and it was a long back order and this whole thing. So we went with a new company and got new designs and we'll be having you guys missed out on a lot of money on the road. Yeah, I'm not

really worried about the money though. The money well, you know, but you also it's kind of cool to know that there's like somebody in Saint Louis or whatever the fuck for sure, but I don't never want to give people some ship just to make money off of them. I want people to have a quality T shirt, quality Swiss suit or whatever. I'm assuming The merch was just was it? Was it like you said, it was a supply chain thing. Yeah, but it just wasn't right. It didn't It didn't come

out right, didn't look good. The quality didn't really look look as great as we were told it would look. And me, I wouldn't want to sell people something that I wouldn't wear, you know what I mean. I mean, if I'm not gonna wear it, why would I sell it to you? And I just felt like it wasn't something I would wear. So that's beautiful, man. That quality control make it separate you from a lot of people. Yeah, so we got we got some merch on the way though,

it'll be here. Let's put the album cover. No, no, no, we got some We got some ship. You could wear it to the club, all right, some fly ship there it is Simba appreciate you. Shout out to the Bootleg podcast I love this guy right here, Top five album of the year. Come on, let's get it.