#224 - Bozo

I appreciate it, yes, sir. For people, I'm like that Joe was winning. So no, it's all good man. Nah, it's how for people who don't know who you are, where you're from, how long you've been making music, give me kind of just like a background front. So I go by the artist thing. Well my hood name too, Bozo. I kept my handle, you know, Yeah, it means too much to me. I'm from the city of People, Rivera, Southeast, Los Angeles, born and raised bread in my hood. I've

been wrapping. I got signed the university in two thousand and four. I was four months into my idea I caught a turned for string of arm robberies and then saw with the any weapon. I went to prison for ten years two months. I parode in the summer of twenty fifteen, and I hit the ground running and I've been doing my shit ever since independently. Wow was it hard to I feel like if you do ten years in prison kind of like the music industry passes you by,

technology passes you by. Before you went in, you were able to still sell CDs and shit, and you know, MySpace was still popping. Was it hard for you to like get the motivation to pick back up and like get back on the grind like when you got out. When I went to prison, I stopped writing music, Like I wasn't one of them dudes in prison like with fucking notebooks. Yeah, because my situation, I didn't know if I was gonna make it home. Col happened, you feel me? Yeah?

I came home early. I was supposed to do way more, but it was changed and I was able to come home after ten years. But when I came home, the access to like well, I'm sure you know like back in the days it was different to the distribution, Well, it was a lot more difficult to release music, yeah to yes, Yeah, to distribute your music legitimately, it was shit if you didn't have a plug, like it was hard.

And then yeah, so that was encouraging, you know, and then YouTube didn't exist, didn't exist when I went to prison. So YouTube was extremely welcoming to to me because I felt like there was a void in my community, specifically of growth and transitioning to different sounds and new modern sounds. You know, I felt like we were stuck in quick sounds, like nobody was really pushing the envelope, nobody was really trying to take risks, you know what I mean as

far as music. So when I came home, I saw a void and I just took it as a as an advantage. What would you say, like after you got out was a moment of success in the music industry that kind of like made you realize, oh, you were kind of onto something. You had something here that might work. You know. Obviously you were signed before you went to prison.

But the first feature with company, okay, my first feature with Comptand was like early when I came out and Compton A D had just dropped that you had never had a thug, Yeah, so that shit was popping. So through a mutual friend of ours, PC and T though Man he leaved us up, don't. Man believed the night talent from the gate, so he started bringing me and he was always like, you know, with what I represent, there's always the racial factor, like a are you open

to work with these people? These people? This me myself, like, I'm down to do business with Arabit as long as it's a good business, right, we could stand on it, you know what I mean at the end of the day. So, yeah, when I did something with Compton a D and then all my features came back to mac literally like it was compin a D. Then at the Joe's Moses, then at the G prequel. Then I did r J and shit fifteen sixteen, twenty seventeen. Those are the guys. And

then and by the way, still are the guys. Shout out to those Joe Moses just dropped his album. RJ's Album's coming soon. Peric was about to go on to work. Yeah, so you could imagine I'm sitting in the yard and all their albums are coming my way, but they weren't around, you know, right, right, right right, So to come home and be able to have the luxury to work with them was dope. You know what I'm saying, it was

it was very encouraging. Yeah, I was onto something. Are you as like an independent artist, what are some of the things that you've like learned over the last like four or five years, Because I feel like when you're independent, sometimes you don't have the like you don't have the luxury of having a building behind you that kind of already knows what not to do and what to do. You got to kind of like just keep it moving when you when you, yeah, you go through growing page.

You got to learn from your mistakes. What are some of the biggest things you've you've you've learned so far? The biggest thing that well, what I did this time that I came home. I try to rationalize my situation, so I tell myself, all right, there's no label behind you no more. We're definitely trying to go back to the pen for another ten So what are we gonna do?

You know what I'm saying. All Right, I put myself in college for a year, and I got myself in to a good field where I can generate enough money to become my own label. And you feel I'm saying, what was that electrical? I do electrical? Oh shit, yeah, hell yeah, So you're electrician, yes, sir, hell yeah, Wow,

that's fire yeah so so yeah. So I put myself to calls, like I said, because in my experience before, I felt like other people were dictating the path of my music and how it was going, in the direction it was going in, or when I could do this or in that studio time for that matter. So I didn't feel like I didn't feel like begging dog like like. And I don't mean begging like in the wrong way. What I mean. It's like I didn't want to put myself in a bonum position and people be looking at

me like, oh, I'm a desperate looking for help. So I did my shit independently. I funded my own shit legitimately with money I was doing through my nine to fives and long shifts I was pulling. But at the same time, I have such a strong standing reputation in streets that it wasn't hard for me to like get direct lines to so and so sood. I've dealt with people from AWE, from cribs to blood to everything on the streets before, so it wasn't hard for me to

connect those dots. So I just worked with what I had. You know what I'm saying. I took advantage of the pros that I did have and the cons I just try to evolve them into some that could become an advantage. Also, you feel say, I feel like most people would not uh. I feel like having a practical trade to have to fund your dream is like something that most people wouldn't glorify. Well, I did it the other way before. And then and you're landed in prison robberies and I did over a decade,

you saw what the Yeah you saw with the downside. Yeah, yeah, reality was like, yeah, you could be a risk taker, but the risk that we're taking ship are long lasting consequence, And so I didn't you know, And then you come home to your family. You got things like after a decade, my dad died, you know, my brother in law died, and my grandma died, my cousin died, Like ship, the house was empty, you feel me. So I came home to a family in shambles, like women that didn't have

no male in the house. There was no uncle that loved the nieces, there was no dad that loved their kids. There was no older brother to look over my sister, you feel, I'm saying, so with that, I put my ego on, my pride to the side, you feel. I'm saying, like I felt like I had a bigger purpose. You

know that's big man. Yeah, I think like too, just for anybody watching, like it's okay to figure out, Well, I think it's I think it's I think it's I think that it's not okay not to do it legitimately because as a business, let's say you're doing real estate bro right, and you're buying houses to flip and ship, of course, but you're doing that off of illegitimate money.

One day they're gonna trade the paper trailers to come back to you, or they're gonna catch you, you feel, saying, You're just gonna get caught of the red light without the right blinker on and it's a wrap, you feel. I'm saying, so the margin of error is fucking yeah, and like you you move around stress the fuck stress? Yeah, well, I did you know what I mean? Like the home, I'll tell you, like they came for me, they rated all my pads. I had to fucking flee to Colorado

with an advance from the label. I ended up burning the label for their advance on that. They never got to recoop off my ship universal and cost so so yeah, so as a business model, it's it's not a good model too, you know what I mean to go And I know a lot of people do it, and I know it's glorified in this business, but I don't know, Bro, I just can't do it again, you feel saying I'm not ready for that trip? You know. Yeah, that's too good.

More people should preach what you're preacher. Man, A lot of people haven't been through what I've been through. That's why they don't. That's real. If they knew better, they would they would say better, you feel saying, but they don't. Would you say that? Because what originally? How much time are you facing? You said you got? I'm thirty five

of life? Thirty five life because I'm a two I'm a three striker and I've been busted for other robberies as a kid, I grew up without a household, you know, so I've had to survive. I think, what it doesn't matter, that red thing don't matter, no matter, it just it just mutes out of the headphones. Yeah, I just wanted to make sure. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine. So that red button only mutes the headphones. Does that make sense? Yeah, because you heard it in the headphones. Yeah,

you're good, You're good. All right, I'm sorry. So you were supposed to do thirty five because for people who don't know, in Cali they had the three strikes. Yeah, yeah, three strike laws. Still is that? Still? It is? When like, let's say that you understand the law is like a chaining fence. You know, it has many different loops, directions

and connections and how it's bonded together. But when you're a DA and you really want to prosecute somebody, every single case log that has existed for mankind is open to you. You just got to learn how to use it in a loophole, you know what I'm saying. So let's say, for instance, you're you've done. You've been busted for two arm robberies and one sexual assault, right right. The law might say, oh, it's not all three armed robberies, so we can't strike them out, you know what I'm saying.

But the DA, if they catch you for three sexual assaults, they'll find a way to be like, okay, it's the exact same crime every time. He's a criminal, let's strike him out on those streets. So it just depends, now how bad the prosecution wants you and what kind of case they want. So at what point in time did you find out? Because once you get put in thirty five to life, you're pretty much like, this is my life. So I got I went to trial. I've always went.

I've always got a trial because I don't have nothing to lose. You know, when when you have something to lose, like you tend to take a deal. But with me, they never offered me a date. It was always life life or twenty five plus onto me. Might as well

be life, you know what I'm saying. So so I went to trial and I lost in trial and Pomona Court Superior Court Judge Ta Fisher found me guilty of all my charges except from assault with the deadly weapon, the shooting I beat, but five arm robberies that I convicted of. So when she went, you know, they so you get let's say today is your day to find out your verdict. You get found guilty, right, boom, knock you out, go back to court, come back in two

months for sentencing. At that point. Within those two months, the law, well, the judge, the DA either has the opportunity to go through your file and try and give you some leanency or they just don't give a fuck and give you the max time, you know what I'm saying. So a lot of times it depends on your crime, the seriousness of it, the violence behind it, and really how it went down to get some kind of sympathy,

you know what I'm saying. So fortunate for me, the lawyer that I was going with at the time really pushed for the judge to open up my file. So two months after her verdict she gave me. She gave me eighteen years with the probably the parole, you know what I'm saying. So my case, I was supposed to get thirty five to life, but the judge basically told me, look, laws are changing, I'm gonna end up bringing you back

ten years anyways. In Land, you go, she wasn't lying to be honest with you, like I went up with the eighteen years, from the eighteen years to turn to thirteen years, from thirteen to turn to ten because of

Prop forty seven was changing so many laws. Jerry Brown the original person that wrote the three strike law came back because I don't know if you know, but California prisons were so overflooded that Arnold Schwarzenegger signed the State of Emergency, which meant that we're so populated, we could

start renting prisons and other states and taking them. So they rented I think three prison in Arizona, one in Oklahoma too, in Mississippi as that prison, that prison for profit bullshit, Yes, sir, all federal judges owned that ship. So you know, if all federal judges owned the prisons and owned the on the canteens and everything that fucking generates money in it, how are they not going to create to keep you in prison? Yeah, it's a hustle.

So I ended up from scenting Nel, I ended up to Arizona, and then I went all the way to Mississippi Tallahatchie, and then I came back. Yeah. Yeah, well we're getting caught up in shit. You know. Do you think that that was kind of like because of the three strike thing? Hell yeah, yeah, because they were giving people to well, because that was like California. Yeah, yeah, Only it's an enhancement, you know, it's an enhancement. But with the three strike law came a gang of different enhancements.

You know, it wasn't just strikes like it was. Let's say you've been to prison before, they were giving you two extra for that, Jesus, Let's say it was gang involved. That's automatic tens to fifteen extra years. So there was a lot of dudes upstate that their crime only carried three years, but they were doing eighteen off of enhancements,

not actual crimes. You know what I'm saying, That crimes that she had done in the past, things that didn't weren't even prevalent with what you were a busted for right now, you know what I'm saying. So as a loss change, my day changed, and they got to a point where I had been down so long, like just kick them out. So I got, like, I think, a ten day notice before I came home. Oh yeah, you didn't know, you No, I came home fucked up, like honestly,

emotionally mentally, I wasn't prepared. You know, I was wired a certain way. You got understand, Like I took so much loss while I was busted as far as heartbreak and heartache, Like yeah, that emotionally I wasn't. I wasn't confident bro like I was. You know, my spirit was broke to a certain extent, like I know flight or fly.

I know how to survive. I knew how to be hardlessing and take care of business in there, but I didn't know how to digest some my care for the world, my care for my life, you know what I'm saying. I lost some implication my family. I lost a lot of shit. I lost a lot. So I went back. I came home, and I was out like four months. Oh you went back, Yeah, I went back. Bro I was out four months and then I broke some food's nose at a bar over some stupid shit. So I

went back again for four months. And that's when, really, like the humbling King, you feel what I'm saying, Like, that's when a moment of reflection, like like I told myself, like, damn you a grown ass man, like you ain't got shit to show for it all. You got to CDC numbers, you feel me like, but you talk all this gangster shit like to me, gangsters ain't broke, you know. Yeah.

I also feel like people got to start to understand, like at a certain point in time, like if someone talks shit to you at a bar, yeah, like it's probably the more gangster thing to be the bigger guy, just like you know what, now I know now I'm the type of motherfucker. Like the minute I see ship Hey, you want to drink, bro, I got you the fuck

this man drinking? You know? Yeah? Or bring the strip over here, give the boy a laugh, you know what I'm saying, Because I'm not afraid of what he's gonna do. I'm afraid of what I'm gonna do. Bro, Like, Yeah, well, I know I got everything to lose. So when you got everything to lose, you're playing for keeps, you feel I'm saying, I'd rather, I'd rather just you know what I mean, Like try to avoid the ship dog because at this point, like there's no profit in it, you know. Yeah.

I think people got to understand, like you can literally change your life just making one mistake. Hell yeah, you could be drinking too much. One decision, Doug could cost you everything. It cost you every everything, literally, And let's say you get it. You might get into a fight at a bar and then you hit somebody and then they fall and they hit their head on the ground and then you're fucking in jail with the rest of your life. Exture the scenario, right. You go to prison,

and this happened to me, That's why I'm speaking. You go to prison and you know your baby mom's at home with the kid. Yeah, and you're fighting this shit together, and you're thinking there's a bond, right because you know, we tend to have that illusion we're busted, like people gonna write it out with us, or people gonna be

there for us. One time I called on and literally the girl that I was being with took the phone off the hook, accepting my call and put it on speaker so that I could hear her getting my little girl ready to go out for dinner with another man, and then think about it, like I'm gonna be honest with you. I stood there and I heard the whole shit. I couldn't hang up, Like, no matter how much ego and how much pride and how much gangsterism is in me, I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't hang out, bro. You

know what I'm saying. But those are the vulnerable positions you put yourself when you're taking those losses you feel I'm saying and also like to be honest, Like, it's also probably not fair to expect someone to any exactly wait for you. But that's the way that because you want you Hell, if you really love that girl, let her go. Hell, you should allow her to go. And because you were facing even even if it was eighteen

years yeah, like come on, you want to make it. Yeah, but it's But that's what I'm saying, though, it's an unrealistic reality that we expect, you know what I'm saying, Like our expectations are way too pure for the filth that we live in. You feel I'm saying, like, we expect motherfuckers to have honor and not snitch. We expect motherfuckers to have honor and not run from a fight.

We expect women to stay loyal even though we were probably cheating on them because I was cheating like a motherfucker when I was I was cheating, I wasn't coming home. But your arrogance makes yourself and you start to believe that you're entitled to a lot of shit that you're not, you know what I'm saying, So when you go away.

That's why I frowned so much on people snitching and debriefing because you think you're doing something dog at the time, right, you might think like, oh, you you got the best of the system. Fuck everybody, I'm getting out. They weren't gonna ride for me anyways. Nah, Bro, Like what you're missing is the lesson that you were gonna get during

that time you were busted. You know what I'm saying, Like, you're shortening yourself from life exppeeriances and virtues that only on your own you can learn, because solitude is the best teacher, bro to to find out who you are, to find out what you're prepared for, and to find out like exactly how far you'll take something Like I knew in prison I couldn't do life. I admit that shit Like I can't do life. Dog, I love bitches, I love my freedom. You know what I'm saying. I

like what comes with providing. I like living with a purpose, you know what I'm saying. And that was the biggest thing for me in prison was like waking up, You're just staring at the wall, Doug, no opportunity, no, no nothing, You're just an empty shell of existence, you feel, I'm saying, Like there's nothing, bro, nothing even writing letters fell stupid after my eighth year, you know, like, why the fuck

am I writing these people? Then you're right back, don't give a fuck you over here pouring your soul out on the fucking letter and motherfuckers don't even open it when it gets home. And I'm in the same place now, Like, trust me, all my homies write me and this and that. Most of time I don't have time to write back

or even read them. Bro. Wow, Like I gotta be on a trip where it's two hours where I'm like, you know what the homie wrote, Let me cause Mom, I'm gonna send her zel her one hundred bucks for him and tell me I said my love. I can't write back. Yeah, motherfuckers call my phone all day. I don't got time to answer, bro, Like, I just don't you know what I'm saying. But that's the fact. That's

the facts of the world keeps turning without you? Is the Is it still like letters that are because I know they have like that's FEDS emails, is FEDS emails is faeds. So if you're just in a normal state, prisons, normal state, lessons, yes, letters, man, it's still old school. You know. I know some people like have iPads and ship. Yeah, they got iPads, but the iPads are to download music,

so they're like iPods, you know what I'm saying. But the system allows you to do educational ship on them too, if you're like on certain like Netflix. I used to have porn in the prison, the joint through video. I had everything. I had an Xbox, I had a Sony Boombox, I had cell phones. How do you? How do you? Isn't that technically contribut it is, but when they shipped us out of state, we were doing time according to out of state rules in Mississippi, and allow you have that,

not cell phones but Xbox Yeah, in your in yourself. Yeah, so you're able to play like Xbox sixty. I was on Death Space all day. You play Dead Space, Model Warfare one, Model Warfare two, like I got every person every Wow. Yeah California they don't allow that. Nah, hell nah California. Everything's see through, bro, Like like this in California, you gotta be able to see through. What what state? Did you have? The Xbox Arizona That's where I originally

bought it. That about an Arizona, but it traveled with me all the way to Mississippi, Mississippi. When I came back, I left it to the homies. You know. So when you go to those out of state places, uh, does it California politics follow you? Hell yeah, mandatory we open up the prison. So we got to established that right just to avoid Like, look, there's a misconception of prison politics, you know, Like I know a lot of people have come here and like try and make it sound like

it's a racial thing. To be honest with you, like, that's farthest from the truth, you know, and my homebole tell you like he was with me on the yard, like right, we're doing everything together. But it's a necessary evil in prison, bro, Like you gotta understand. Right, Let's say me and you are on some thorough hood shit, right and we're in prison. You know, there's a gang of smokers that are there with us. You know, it's not just thorough foods that go to prison. And you know,

get there's also crackhead. There's also dummies, drunks, all kinds of shit. Right now, when you're dealing with those type of individuals, they don't know the structure that we know, like respect, they don't know how to like move accordingly. So the prison politics are necessary evil to stop racial issues to real escalating. You know what I'm saying, Like, Hey, that's the phone for your people, that's the shower for

your people, that's the basketball court for you guys. So guess what, You'll never got to fight with somebody over a I got next game and it's a different race, then fucking we're all going to the whole, you know what I'm saying. Or it's it's kind of like necessary to keep as much harmony as possible, hell until the harmony until there's not you know what I'm saying. But but it's not. It's not because oh we hate them. No, it's not even like that, bro, It's just to keep

a structure because you're in chaos all the time. I don't know, bro, I remember when I would land to prisons, right like when you first get off the bus. No bullshit. I remember when I got to Centinado the three yard, and I landed in the Life for building because I was on close custody because I had so much time. So when you're on close custody the first fifteen years a year of your term, you only get two hours of program a day. That's the only time you get

to come out to sell it's two hours. Wow. So I was on close custody with pretty much so that hour. Yeah.

So so I landed the Life for Billion to be on close custody, and I sat on the bench and this Asian dude's fucking yelling at me from the door, like welcome to Santa Hella because the prison is called Sentinella, you know, but like there's no like, how can you say it, dog that, there's no there's no chance to ever like think peacefully there, you know, even if you're on your own peaceful journey, Like the noises around you are a chaos. They are always yeah, yeah, somebody's always

stirring the pop bro. It doesn't matter. There's an idiot in there. Yeah, always, always somebody discouraging you. Always, like even when you're trying to go home, like what you're getting ready to go on for, you're just gonna come Backer's mad, you know what I'm saying. So so it's like all that rules and all that structure is to create some kind of normality, you know what I'm saying. Who's the most interesting person you were locked up with life?

Jennings just shared he was locked up with I was busted with. Well, I I ran into I ran to a few rappers like that I looked looked up to. I ran into drew Down, trying to him for the year Man. Yeah, he was a Susanville. I ran to drew Down, I ran to sugar Free, I ran into Goldie Lowe. But the most interesting one that I ran into was a porn star out of the valley right here. His name was Philip Oliver. His porn name was Anyways.

He was a porn star and like his stories were just the best, you know what I'm saying, stories, Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So to me, he was the most interesting because everybody else I can relate. I heard all that ship, you know what I'm saying. But this was a beast, you know what I'm saying. He was legendaryre sugar Free out of beat. I mean, sugar Free was a trip. But he wasn't talking to us like like what you see on the streets. That's not

how he is in there. You know. I don't know if it's because you know he's he's sober or what it is, you know what I'm saying, But he's just different. Uh so you obviously you get out, you go back, you get out again. You're fucking you finally kind of have your mind right? Yeah, when how long between the second time you got out before you released your first music ship. I started recording right away. So what I was doing at the beginning was doing the SoundCloud shit.

Like I had given myself a goal because I couldn't afford too much studio time. I would go record one song a week and give it away free. I couldn't afford to buy beats or engineering. So I had found this, this this relative of art well through my niece, her

boyfriend's cousin. He could engineer, so what somewhat? So I used to go record and then I would upload one song a week to SoundCloud and YouTube, you know, and I was just try and see what it did, what it did, And then little by little I met somebody that told me, you know what, I'll help you put out a whole independent project, like you don't gotta pay me, shit,

I just want to see you win. So we did that, and after that that's when I really like, once I put something together, like a real project, I seen like people really getting behind it. What year was that that was two thousand and sixteen, Yeah, twenty sixteen. But I was doing shows at bars and like that shit would fill out, you know what I'm saying, So like little

bar programmers like come through again, you know. So that shit was encouraging, you know what I'm saying, But it was tough throughout the beginning done because like I said, I was doing legitimately. Yeah. So you remember when when like foods first started shooting videos, they weren't cheap like they are now, right, Yeah, when yeah, when the independent shooters were coming out, there were you know, it was a thousands. Now you can get a video done for

like three hundred dollars. Yeah. So if you find like a young kid with a camera and final yeah hell yeah yeah, two fifty three hundred bucks all day, you know what I mean, and it looks dope, you know what I'm saying. Back then, motherfuckers are charging the arm in the leg. So I used to I used to

borrow money from my sister. I used to borrow money for my sister to keep gas in my car to go to school, you know what I'm saying, Get back and forth, and then pay for my studio time, my video you know what I mean, And then I would pay her back. I probably still her money, who fucking knows, but you know what I'm saying, Like the cyst was helping me out, you know what I mean, Like the cysts, my homies from my hood. Yeah, momies from my hood were helping me with that. I had one of my

homies rest in peace, Mojo. I just lost him like less than a year ago. He built me a studio, like we had a car port and my homie, fucking he was one of them, you know, eight in the morning to eight at night, like I said, then in sleep he built me on you know what I'm saying. And that's when like I started feeling like, Okay, I really got to do this shit. Yeah people are kind of investing in yeah. Yeah, yeah, most definitely. Yeah. So all that help was like very encouraging and it was

good for my confidence, you feel the saying. Tell me about the day you guys went to know Jumper with the American Solo because there's a lot a lot of guys, a lot of the homies came with you. Yeah. But that's the thing, like, look, man, and I know you have a great relationship with ad Yeah, and you guys obviously have music together, and you guys have a strong bond, but just what was the the thought process of just bringing a bunch of bunch of fools with you because

it was a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, we went. We went deep as fuck, and honestly, Bro, it was this dog like like in our community, our elders are very much respected, you know what I'm saying. I would hope that in every community, but in ours of course, in ours though, we do like really, I have a Mexican wife, yea, and a Mexican baby mama. Yeah, so you know, one hundred percent. Yeah. So so when Gil was getting attacked, I saw it, you know what I'm saying.

I saw it, and I knew the history behind it, so I could stand behind him. You know what I'm saying. You knew the context, Yeah, I knew. I knew the context exactly how it was. Right. So he calls me, and I could hear it in his voice that he's looking for some kind of like like I don't want to say help because I don't want to make him sound weak, but he was looking for a free dog, you feel, saying, somebody to stand beside him. That that had a validity out here that can really speak up

on shit that's been there, done that. So I didn't even let him ask me. I just told him like, hey, bro, you want me to go with you? And he was like yeah, you know. So then I saw it as an opportunity to bring a lot of homies together. Like what people don't understand, bros, Like yeah, we came deep and there was all homies, but I had a lot of rival gangs there that aren't supposed to be together. So you kind of brought some people. Hell yeah, Like

the homies came together without question nobody, nobody ever. Oh So before I get to that, yeah, so you know, I asked him, like you want me to go with you? He's like yeah, if you're not busy, like pull up. So I hang up. I tell him, no doubt, I'll

be there with you. I hang up, and then I'm sitting at I'm just sitting in my little room, and I'm like, you know what, Like, I saw it as an important moment for us as a community, you feel saying I saw it as as a as a good moment to communicate to people how blackballed we are in the industry. Mainstream, you know, like PARAWEO six took down the interview without even no question, you know what I'm saying, Like it was quick. Adam for whatever reason, was motivated

to put up that post. You feel what I'm saying. And then now one of our elders that has a positive voice in our community, whether you believe it when he says or not, he's not bringing nothing negative on the community, you know what I'm saying. He's not making our people look unruly or educated, you know what I'm saying. So when that was that question, I just thought to myself, like,

you know what this is. This is a good opportunity for us to show solidarity, you know what I mean, unity, You know what I'm saying, because everybody's always you had just I had just heard Whack one hundred all over the place talk about how you know the Southsiders ain't they don't have control their own destiny, you know, they got to do what they're told. And We're like this fucking hit squad, bro that that just follows a dictator,

you know what I'm saying. So I started reaching out to people and then I called Gil like, hey, bro, like you want to you feel like going deep, and he was like, you know, I think we should. So

I was like, fuck it. So I reached out to a gang of homies from different hoods, and not once did anybody ask me like, hey, who's gonna be there, or you know, like who And it was just because people felt the same way we felt, you know what I'm saying, Like, just because we're not on ig or on YouTube run our mouth about Brown Lives Matter or this and that or whatever the fuck you want to call it, right, doesn't mean we don't have an opinion

or feelings about how we're being represented, you know what I'm saying. So I threw it out there to the homies. Honestly, I'm not gonna take credit for that shit Like I might have invited twenty. The other eighty came on their own through word of mouth, you feel what I'm saying. Then people started calling me and hey, what's going on?

We'll pull up. You know what I'm saying. If you see the whole footage, Dog, we didn't force our way in there, right, fucking AD's been with me with like fifty trollers before by himself in the hood, you know what I'm saying. So Ad was like Gyler, like come in, you know what I mean, Like, come on, let's all come in. We all here together. Because to Ad, he don't see a bunch of Mexican troll os. He just sees the homies. Yeah, you know what I mean. Hey,

that's the squad bulls with them. Come on. You know. It's so interesting because I thought that the interview you guys did was dope because it was at a time when I felt like the unity of black and brown people in Cali in LA needed to be kind of illustrated. Yeah,

and I feel like you and AD's conversation. Yeah, but that's what happens when when you get like two real street dudes, and I got to be honest with you, like I had no idea like until maybe like I've been out here since twenty seventeen, and I didn't understand like the I didn't. I wasn't raised out here, so I don't know that. Like the history between the black and brown community historically in LA is like a pretty

divisive one. It is because in Arizona, where I'm from, the blacks and the Mexicans, my whole life have just been homies. Yeah, you know, I grew up. I grew up in a heavily Mexican area. All my best friends are black or Mexican, and everybody always got along. So you know, I know that there was like a few things that had kind of led up to you guys doing that interview, and you know, I felt like a necessary moment to have with Ad and you and you know him, and you know, I think I think it.

It didn't to me. It didn't feel like to me, it was a representation like if look, dog, I don't just see things for the layer that is presented to you know what I mean. I always see things in layers. I'll see things like from one tent to two tenths to three tenths, you know what I mean. Everything comes with fractions, you feel saying. And if you see the fractions of that day, bro, like it's clear as day.

You know what I'm saying. There's people that only give a fuck about views and ratings, and there's people that give a fuck about the human side. You know, there's people that are currently living in a virtual world and there's people that still live in reality. You feel saying, So, but I think it's important for like LA I believe like a few other major cities, are one of the cities that can dictate how things are presented and move forward.

You know what I'm saying, According to how we move as a society, other states follow you feel I'm saying. So I think that mutual respect towards each other even the way even from what I told Adam was like, look, bro, like just learn how we move, you know what I'm saying, and then you can move correctly and not worry about one hundred motherfuckers coming to your spot and telling you what the fuck you did wrong, even though it's common sense. You know what I'm saying. But let's just get it.

Like you could play with anybody else, don't play with us, you know what I'm saying, Like move how you want to move with other people in other groups or whatever. But when it comes to like what we represent, like move move carefully though, because we see things in different lights. You know what I'm saying. What you might not think is disrespectful to us is extremely and much the opposite, you know what I'm saying. So it was a good day.

I think it was dope. Adam wasn't there, which I to this day think is fucked up, you know what I'm saying, Like him being there would have just made it more like transparent that there is no fuckery. You feel what I'm saying, That there wasn't no ill intentions, that there was no sabotage. You know what I'm saying. You know how it is when you want to defend yourself, you got to get faced, you know what I'm saying.

So I think that we went there to get face and a d and Duno's pulled up and it was cool. But like you know, now it's becoming a point where like it's a stabbing point though, like ain't little chance they get they bring it up again, you know, or somebody will bring it up, or they're asking Swifty about it, and Swift he's talking about, well you ain't you know? Come on, bro, Like at the end of the day, bro, like it's not about you or me, you know what

I'm saying. It's about the community, the streets and the ship that can happen after we leave the studio and we go home to our comfortable fucking paths, right because most of us ain't posted on the on the block no more like we used to be. If we did we wouldn't have the opportunities that we have. So I think that we have to hold ourselves responsible for the people that we still got on the block. You feel what I mean? Yeah? What because like obviously you just

brought up swiftly. I wasn't gonna bring him up, and you brought him up, so fuck it. You know, I know you guys not see an eye to eye. Yeah, online, you know, he's a lot younger on everything. We don't see it on there. He's obviously a lot he's a lot younger than Yeah, you know what I mean. It's probably in a place in his life that when you were in his shoes, probably when you were younger, you were probably you probably didn't have the knowledge or the

wisdom that you currently have. Have you have you considered like reaching out to him on some positive shit? Well, I'm strategic with everything that I do, right because I know, because I know you guys have had words for each I know the abhorrence behind my moves you feel. I'm saying so to me right now, my silence is golden. You feel what I'm saying. It's like at you at home, right, you have kids? Right, of course you ain't gonna argue with your kids right right there? It is there. Yeah,

you know what I'm saying is that simple. I have to carry myself like a man, and he has to carry himself like a young man. Now I'm doing my part. Now does he live up to his own expectations? We're gonna see you feel what I'm saying. You don't need to even run our mouths no more like And it's exactly like what you said. It's just the age difference. Though you feel what I'm saying. I realize that, you

know what I mean. That's another reason why I'm not like persistently going after certain topics and certain people because and my age. Dog, I have to carry myself like I have the knowledge, the wisdom, the imporance and the receipts to back up the way that I move without having to talk. Yeah, I don't really got to run my mouth like. Just my presence says it by itself.

You know what I'm saying. You know, we always have heard like uh in certain cities the check it in thing, And obviously he's gone viral and he's his check in website, which is a great marketing idea. Fucking love it. You get a certificate on it. But like in terms of like do you think that's something that's important if someone comes to l A, I have to tap in with like certain aspects that's important anywhere you're at, you know, like like how does the saying? How does the saying go?

One of the oldest sceings right when in Rome you do as the Romans? Do you feel me? That's that's my thing is is like I always you know, it depends. But if you're a street rapper exactly, Yes, Let's say you could be you could be from Chicago, and if you move as like a street rapper, you you you claim to be from the streets, it's probably smart for you to hell yeah with the local beau. That's what

you're gonna track. You're like a pop artist. Yeah, you come to l A. Yeah, do your ship, do your thing. Yeah you might get robbed, but you know what I'm saying, Yeah, but it wasn't nobody going to defend you anyways. At that point. It's like, you know, it's like I feel like I do feel like if you're if you represent that, if you're bringing that energy, then yeah you gotta and that's wherever you go right, everyone has some homies wherever. Hell yeah, ship hell yeah, it's it's it's it's just

safety first, you know what I'm saying. Why wouldn't you, like, why not why not pay homage and want to meet the people where you're where you're coming to, you know what I'm saying. Why not meet the locals you feel, I'm saying, and learn the rules of the land. Dog at the end of the day, it's only gonna benefit you and get more love if anything. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, it's important. I think it's table manners, you know where everywhere you go, you gotta

have table manners though, you got to present yourself. Well, what do you think of like just kind of like the influx in you know, we lost pm B Rock out here, which, by the way, after finding out that it was like a father father son day. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. Well that's the moment of reflection, I think. I think it's a moment to like, like see the

layers behind the action itself. Right, Like you got literally a father and son duo come in a crime that cost the life of a successful young man, you feel, I'm saying, And from what I heard I think the kid had an ankle monitor on and even yeah something like that. Yeah, But what I'm saying is this, like

it's it's a time like this. What's happening, bro? And I see it a lot in my in my in my community right Like there's men right now that are so caught up with social media and this lifestyle that it brings right that they're trying to hang with the kids. You feel what I'm saying, Like there's no there's no division in clouds is a hell of a dress, That's

what I'm saying. Right, So we gotta we gotta look at ourselves, Like I see it as a failure in the men, you know what I mean, The men that are here right now, like ain't moving like men are supposed to move. We're not supposed to be following the little homies or even trying to be the little homies. You know what I'm saying. There's a r for him to being a big homie, you know what I mean.

Like the art Firm is like, you've been through this shit, so teach the little homies better, you feel what I'm saying. But right now you got a lot of grown men trying to be little man, youngsters you feel, I mean, and still be yeah so so. But that's what social media does, bro, Like you understand a lot of motherfuckers like didn't even have names and reputations before social media.

You know, before you really had to come outside, Like if motherfuckers knew your dog, you was literally outside twenty four to seven. You never went away when you went to jail. You hit the block as soon as you got out, and you were hitting that motherfucker street like there was no And when you were in the joint, you were raising your hand for every mission like that's how you That was social media before with strikes, right,

you know what I mean. But now we're in this virtual world, dog where you know what I mean, you can make up your merit, you know what I'm saying. And a lot of men that have what's the word I'm looking for that I have confidence problems are looking at that to validate who they are as men. You know what I'm saying. You can't because social media is mostly for children, I think, you know what I mean. I think that only children are allowed to live in

their imagination, right, I think that grown ups live in reality. Right,

because we have obligations. Hell yeah, you got buildings to build, and we got to keep this shit going, you feel I'm saying, Like, so, I think that as a community, that's where we're at, like not only a community, just in general, bro, because you see even older women trying to act like they're young, like it's working and getting the bbls and like, you know what I'm saying, Like I see forty year old women talk about my N word this my n word dad, Like girl, like you

were just super this fucking for the last thirty years of your life, you know what I mean. Like, so we have identity crisis going on right now, you know what I'm saying. And I think that as man, we got to act like a dog, because dog, imagine that dog like a father and son Like that's like that that would be like fuck. I couldn't even see myself telling my son like, hey, Greta Bernard, were about to go rop old boy for all his fucking jewelry. It's crazy,

and in fact it was. I think that there's reading the details of what actually happened, You're like, yeah, that kid was seventeen and decided to like consciously like not just rob him, like rob him and then put him down. Well, there's more layer set. Think about that. Think about what his dad is communicating to him, and they're at home, the example that his father's giving them. I ain't talking about bodies around My little boy broke, Like what the fuck?

Like we talk sports if anything, and probably had a terrible life. Hell yeah, for sure. If we check his record, I'm sure he's been out of jail, you know, custody issues, you know what I'm saying, like all that shit that comes with this. So I mean, look, bro, I think that it's crazy that let's say, for instance, it would have been a cop killing a young black man or Hispanic man. Right, we're marching, right, and we're doing all this shit, and we're there's awareness and we need to

be heard. But when it's us failing us, nobody wants to talk about it. It's almost like a hidden secret, dirty secret in the family. You know, We're I allowed to talk about it? Why the fuck not? This is when we really got addressed these shits, because at home is the root of all the rest of the problems that can your world. So if we can stop that, we can stop a lot of other shit. Yeah, but we don't never you know, we're quick to point the

finger at everybody else. Yeah, broken homes man, I have allowed to do with the Yeah, yeah, that's my You know, I grew up in a great family. Once my mom died from cancer, it was a rap. Well you said that you kind of grew up without a household. Yeah, well I lost my mom when I was twelve thirteen. My mom died from pancretic cancer, and my dad lost custody on me, like within six months of that. I became aware of the state at the age of fourteen.

So you're just bouncing around, yes, sir, Yeah, damn yeah. Yeah, So you know, like shit, I mean to each his own, bro, But you know, I know the reality of this shit that comes with it, you feel saying, And you know, I move like I move a certain way. So but I understand what I'm wanted to the consequences I want to deal with, you know what I'm saying, and which was I'm not you know what I mean. You were talking, we were talking a little bit off camera, just kind

of about like Mexicans and hip hop. Yeah, and obviously there's I feel like the landscape of Mexican hip hop is at the best place it's ever been. Yeah, for sure, Hell yeah, yeah, because I've seen both eras you know, right, I was like I remember like when I first like obviously growing up in Arizona, we have Empty Magic. We go to the low Rider show. Was always at them

off for Tucson. Yeah, we were doing all them shows, Fucking High Power Record and uh and uh you know Little Rab and fucking brown Boy and all these guys who know all these guys and it was big over there. It was huge, but it was like an extreme. It was it was literal Chicano rap. Hell yeah. And it

was pat thousands of thousands of hell yeah. Right, and so like it was like I always would like Little Rob I think was probably one of the only quote unquote Chicano rappers because I don't consider Empty Magic that because I think he just makes love music that they just love. Yeah, he's he's Auto two singer before auto two singers were popular, right, He's the voicebox guy after trail. But Little Rob had like records that we played on the radio, like hits, you know what I mean, around

the clock. Yeah, And so after him, I felt like, uh, there was a few records Big Gemini had a cool joint, But I felt like there's kind of been like once that era kind of dried out, it was kind of like dry. I feel like commercially for a lot of Mexican hip hop and now, I mean, look, we talked about King Little G kind of held that flag for a long time. Now there's so many artists. Yes, there's artists like a guy like Cap G. You know, there's

a guy who's from Atlanta. There's Swayed, there's Pay Tomorrow, there's just Tony, there's so many do there's fucking mexicanot from Houston. Man Gangam Like, we're killing it, dog. But what's always happened with us is this bro like we're misrepresented either in the business side or or we're misrepresented on the streets. You feel what I'm saying and what I mean by like the first era we're talking about Lil Robin and them, right, it was exploited. The Chrolo

whole look was exploited. So you couldn't fucking even sell it no more like Cosh was giving out deals to just anybody, you know what I mean. So you would go to that's where you got your deal, right, Yeah, so you would go to target. Fuck, there was like fifty different Mexican trollos on the shelves, like you didn't even know what to pick up. And it wasn't based on talent. They were just giving deals on looks because

they don't they don't. They didn't know how to calibrate our talent or what we like, you know what I'm saying. So then that happened, the oversaturation of the troloo look to where it ended up becoming almost like a mockery you feel I'm saying. It became it became a joke, you know what I'm saying, Because we evolved in the streets, but as far as like on the covers of CDs and music, we weren't because they weren't letting no talent

new talent in you feel I'm saying. Because all them cholos that they signed, a lot of them were hating on the rest. You got understand that at that era, we were still set tripped on each other like crazy. So there was a lot of street politics that wuldn't allow Oh homies dope well but he from eighteen, we can't fuck with him, or homies from wife fans, we can't fuck with you know what I'm saying, Like, there was a lot of that going on. That's the biggest

change that I noticed this time. I came home like the set tripping amongst us and the business wasn't as big. But then what I saw was this, like we had such a complex from sounding like Chicano rappers that at this point we became the explorers of the black culture by trying to sound too black, you feel what I'm saying. So it's like, like Nipsey said in the album, you get abuse, so long enough, you become the abuser. We

started abusing the game, you feel I saying. Now we're looking for an identity, and yeah, there's a gang of homies with talent, right coming up, coming, up, coming up. Shout out to Berner too. Yeah, I mean to be honest, Burner's probably the most successful Mexican ranges. Yeah, I mean shit. So yeah, So now you got at this point, right, and the little homies are being raised by IG and what is IG mainly put out there, like the black culture they're exploiting. I just exploited the ship of the

black culture to the fullest extent. Yeah, without black culture, all these social media platforms the shit would be, you know what I mean. But they're exploring them in the wrong way. To me, I think, you know what I'm saying, There is no highlighting educated black men. There is no highlighting men black men that raise families that are pillars in their community. You know what I'm saying. The ones

that do, they're getting laid out. Every single one is getting laid out, you know what I mean, Like smoke, you know, yeah, the shit that goes viral is always the ship that's like, okay, we get it. Like some of these Instagram pages really just focus on like the drama,

the craziest that shit, dog and what and what. They don't realize that social media is raising this next generation, right you feel I'm saying literally, they're they're raising the youth, you know, because they have more influence from the phone than even their own parents, you know what I'm saying. So now that's where we're at. And I was just having this conversation earlier with drummer Boy shot Out drum Boy. He's another one, you know, at the fore front of

this ship and he's from Pomona. Yeah. Yeah, So the homie's telling me, like he literally asked me the same shit, but in a different contexts, Like, how do you feel about where we're at right now? And I'm like, dog, like, right now, we gotta fight for identity as a culture because if we don't, what's gonna happen is we're gonna

become another Houston. And I don't mean that in no disrespectful way, but the Hispanics in Houston have adapted the black culture completely to where you can't really tell the difference between a Mexican rapper and a Black rapper. Do you think it's a subject matter thing? I know, I just think that. I just think that, Man, you don't really want to know what I think, dog, because it's gonna sound ugly, But I think it comes with a

type of submission, bro, you know what I'm saying. Like they gave up on trying to represent the culture in its purest form, you know what I mean? So they just kind of like, you know what, this is how we're gonna get on, Like I could I could have. I could easily say the N word in every song right now, and I'll probably do better numbers. I could probably go braids my dog and start doing you know what I'm saying, Like because that's where we're at right now.

You know what I'm saying, everybody imitating the black culture right without no regard for their culture, no regard for their lineage, no regard for their blood, and nor regard

for their history. Yeah, I think like it also depends on where you were raised, Because I look at a guy like Nost I was gonna say, I look at a guy like in certain I look like a guy like Cap G, who's never I've never heard him say the N word when you listen to cap G. He was raised in Atlanta, right, so like a lot of his music sounds like Atlanta, you know what I'm saying. But then he'll have other records that have a lot of heavily like he has a Day Without a Mexican,

which was a fucking banger. So I think Cap G has done a really good job of like balancing. I'm a dude who grew up where I grew up. I'm from Atlanta, which is like, in my opinion, the capital of like hip hop culture now, you know most definitely, I think Cap G has done a great job of life. So then why don't we see a lot more blacks trying to be Mexican that grew up that grew up around Mexicans. I don't. I mean, okay, that's the proof of the pudding to me. You feel what I'm saying.

It's like, what's the biggest form of humility? Okay, then you feel what I'm saying and I'm not and I'm not and hey, well listen, listen, talk to me. Let's go. There have been a lot of artists I hate to beat the tiger horse dead. Yeah, but listen, but they but they the way they do it is very strategically smart. Bro. And then I know YG just put a record out with Cucko. Yeah. So, like I think that there has been and I think that, like, but it's a small

fucking number. True, But those guys grew up in La YG signed uh savoy loco. You know, Wigi dresses like us for the most part. He's got the Stacy Adams, He's got the last of his head, his whole ship everything. Like I think I think YG has been somebody who obviously grew up around Mexicans and in my opinion at least has paid homage tastefully. Hell yeah, I think Look, honestly, for whatever people say about YG, and how they say it, like I think that he comes off sincere when I

feel like he has sincere love. That's what I'm saying, Like it's shit. I'm sorry that didn't come off sincere at all, you know what I mean? That was like it and listen much love to that and that is old as fuck. He took the video down. It's great, like all love to him. They're not the table, you know. Cool, But it didn't come off. It came off. It didn't come off. Whoever was behind him failed, you know what

I'm saying. But you know, like that's just the way I see it, you know what I'm saying, Like that's the way I see it, And it's about to do another shift, Like it's about to do another shift, like if you hit the black right now, there's no more skinny jeans. The little homies are dressing like me now again,

white tea's and five of ones all day. I think, well, I think to the other thing we got to talk about is like, obviously hip hop is black culture most definitely, So I think, well, I would say that it's white and black culture. I think it's black and I know a lot of Puerto Rican it's black. Now I'm gonna tell you why I see that though white Beastie Boys. Fuck, you mean one of the first hip hop groups ever. Yeah, but the first that put it on your right right wrong.

But that was like eighty forty. I understand it wasn't like at the roots, but I'm saying, when it mattered, come on, it was a bunch of white boys from right here. I think. I think it's you know, we go back to like, you know, seventy nine eighty Puerto Ricans and blacks. Yeah, you know what I mean? For sure over there yeah the mecca right like, hell yeah, most definitely. But when it took the stage and it was really time to make it a business, it was

the Beastie Boys and it was cool. Hello, cool j Beastie Boys. You know what I'm saying. So, you know, I mean, I'm just that's not how I feel. I'm just going by what I saw growing up because I'm a getting hip hop fan, you know what I'm saying. But but there's beef over that too, Like people, Man, who gives a fuck? Dog? I believe, like, look, dog, how do you create something? There's the people that build it,

and there's the people that fund the building. We funded the building, So how are we not a part of it? If we didn't believe in it, push hip hop the creation of it, and stand behind it, it would have never took off the way it did. I mean, and I mean all of us, I think. But I think, like the answer to what you were asking, like why

don't people imitating what we're doing? I think if you, like, one, black culture is the number one most influential culture in the US, and you could say in Asia, everywhere in the world, and hip hop culture, hip hop is the number one genre of music in the world. That's that's a fact fact. So hip hop is the number one genre of music, and it's it's it's derived from black culture. It is it is black culture, you know what I'm saying.

So I think that that and black culture is the most influential culture in the country period, Like that's no debating debate, Like fashion, you go to H and M, you's all deriving one hundred. So I think that that's probably a little bit more closer to like why you were like, yo, well, why is nobody imitating what we're doing? And I do think that obviously, like there's very small example were Okay, I hear that part of the argument,

and I thought about that part of argument. But then when I see rap videos low Riders, especially on the West coast, you know why I was gonna say, would you consider I mean because to me, right it is us, that's us. Hell yeah, but you think about you know, doctor dres Hell. Yeah, they adopted it. Yeah, but they did it right though, And then a gimmicky didn't say that they did it in a way that they paid homage. Hell, yeah, they did it class. They did it with class, you

know what I'm saying. They they represented, they they they because really low Riders is obviously a Mexican thing, but a thing. Yeah, yeah, start on the East side. Yeah, but I think that the way they did it was they showed like the parts they should highlight, like the dope ship that we do, you know what I'm saying that, you know, goofy ship, you know what I'm saying. Or motherfuckers dressed like mariats, like we don't we're not out here, dress like you know what I'm saying, Like, I mean,

let's just be real, you feel I'm saying. I get it. It's a part of the culture, huge part of cult. I never see one of my homies on the block dressed like a Mariachi Mariacci say it right, like I'm talking like you know what I mean, Like I don't know no better, but you know what I'm saying. So I mean, I don't know. I'm just a person that goes by facts, and I like, I like honesty. You

so what I'm saying. So if I'm gonna be honest, like I see a lot of shit that that isn't necessarily fair, but it is what it is, Doug, Like, at this point, you know, we're either gonna We're either gonna rise from this with our own foundation, our own structure, or we're just gonna become a part of the rest of the machine, you know what I'm saying. So it's on us, I think at that part. And that's what I was talking to a drummer boy about, Like I told him, like, look, bro, like this is your time.

Like what you guys do at this moment is going to define our people in the game for a while, you know what I mean? Because right now, like as a people in this music game, we're searching for an identity, you know what I'm saying, We really are Like I was talking to him earlier about the way that he creates music, you know, and I was telling him the same ship, like, Bro, if you look different and you're different ethnicicity, you should be through the roof right now. Bro.

But you gotta fight the stigma, you know what I'm saying. So do you fight the stigma? Do you? Because hip hop don't love us? For whatever it's worth, we love hip hop, but hip hop don't love us at all, you know what I'm saying. So are you gonna stay in a toxic relationship or are you gonna move on and find a new Breezians make your family? You know?

You know what I really think it is, Man, I think there has to be an honest conversation where we're like, who's the who's the Mexican rapper that you feel like was on the same level as Drake or jay Z or there hasn't been one ever, So that's what I'm saying. It's gonna take that guy, But why though has there been? I mean, it's gonna take that guy where you're like,

there's somebody that's so dope it's undeniable. So to me, it's like there's been a lot of cool, like cool dope Mexican artists, But has there been one that's so crazy that that's just undeniable, whether it's ability. Look at the one that they did, the one that they did blow up for no talent on I mean six ' nine, bro, the one that they did blow up, like, come on, bro, Okay, Okay, So I do not even want to get into disinsion thing because that's been Yeah. That's besides, six nine had records.

He had undeniable records, Okay, so it didn't matter if he was indeniable. How come LA wasn't jamming them all crazy in the clubs? They were the clubs? Isn't the streets though? Bro? The club is one stream I'm talking about. I'm talking about twenty eighteen when I try and dropped, who wasn't playing that ship on the block everybody? Okay? Then let's go more relevant, when YG dropped My crazy life, Who in the fuck wasn't playing that ship out here? Everybody? Everybody?

Every that's everywhere? Because I traveled everywhere, you were playing? All right? Six nine wasn't booming like that? I don't know. I think a lot of those numbers six nine see to me, the six nine Ship was to me a perfect example of somebody who just made records that like were kind of undeniable, so it didn't really matter that he was a clown this before he snitched. Yeah, of course. And we had that conversation where I was like, artists gotta like happened to be Mexican, but be dope first.

And I think six nine six nine people were like, oh, he's got some gumbo and all that ship was for them. Ships were hard, The Nikki record was hard and he happened to be a Mexican guy. Does that make sense? Yeah? It does. Yeah. So I think like he had records, but was he but was he under I think he had, but was he represent the culture? I think he was representing his culture how he grew up. Maybe does that make sense? I don't know, Yeah I could be. I

don't know. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, But Ship I think that. I think I think that. But that's an example of what I was saying, Like he's the artist that like is making undeniable hit records or is just so crazy that it's like, Yo, this motherfucking king lit g broke through, right and he's selling out shows all over the nation. He was on why the fuck was there no love? Because he represented me? And how I look that's fair, you understand. I'm saying, like the homie,

look at Snow. The product that girl, the product she does shows everywhere does it? She's still not getting what she just got nominated for a Latin Grammy. Thank God for her God and Snow and Snow is the you know, she's God level MC for That's okay. So that's what I'm saying, Like why why why? I don't know the little girl Munch just took off fucking know where one. Snow's never had one of those records. What the fuck?

And everybody's flying around. No, I'm just speaking facts, like you know what I mean, can Munch this much that and this ship? Bullshit? Like the track isn't that hard? I mean, but you know as a TikTok thing, Yeah, but you got to Snow the products slaughtering ship Like I mean, come on, bro, Snow is slaughtering ship in her world in the same way that like think of Tech nine. Tech nine can wrap his fucking ass off.

I think she's more dimensional than him, of course, because she's she's I heard radio place that's that's not a direct like relation to their followings or their music. See what you're saying, you know what I'm saying. So I just think that, like, yeah, man, I think I think that with everything we talked about, what we can both agree on is that it's all going in the positive direction. Well yeah, any any any fucking momentum is good. I mean, look,

Money Science Swage has a deal with Atlantic Records. Oh yeah, I mean he was on Atlantic. He's about to drop a record with j Balvin. You know, you got homies like me run around, turns it up and dependently on I'm doing features off. I shouldn't be doing them, but I couldn't do him fifteen years ago. And you say, you're you got a project on the way with Benny the Butcher. Yeah, well Benny's a friend of the family, you know, so I got something coming with the boy

in the future. I just dropped my album Hunger Games too. I got prayers. You got prayers on their shots and prayers, shots, prayer, prayers. So however, he goes into penalty too. Yeah he's firing, but he don't wrap. But he's the way that he's doing it. Yeah, he ain't let her go. Yeah, he ain't letting that go. Hell or no, he got like the if it was a Selena cave on these pay next right, I mean I would be like the sweethearts

of our community, you know. Yeah, like when you work with someone like Prayers who obviously maybe uh sonically is a little bit, but he's a south Sider like me, So we bond on that level, you feel what I'm saying, And and and you know, like there's something to be said about our brotherhood, you know what I'm saying, Like that south Side brotherhood is very it's very how can

you say, man Like it's automatic love, bro. You know, so we gel, we vibe, and it was it was a Yeah, it was like a puzzle to put together, you know what I'm saying. Even the production was was very hard to find. But we did it, you know what I mean. And I think it was dope. You know what I'm saying, Like to bring two roles together that that represent art, you know what I'm saying, Like we're not on some ignorant just you know what I mean, making noise. We really trying to make records. You feel

saying that's important? Yeah, I think that's important to make records important. So so yeah we just did that. Should we moving out here? You know what I mean? We we As far as myself personally, I just concentrate on making timeless music dog like. I'm not here to fall trans s important. I'm not here to like ship appease anybody. You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm just trying to follow my horror, my soul, and thus far ship just work less. It's led me to all right, Look I'm

here with you. You know what I'm saying. I met you were backstage with Benny and then yeah you were shroome the funk out as I'm saying, you feel me. Look who was back there? Freeway Rick was back there with the real Freeway rig Who else is back to? Legendary people like the Crooked Eye alchemists, like think about these are all people that I grew up like, I met jay Z, I met jay Z. You meet jay Z, I met jay Z. You were there too, food, But I didn't say what's to you where? No, I didn't

because there's so many people there. We went to the Noble we were all there. Yeah, yeah, hell yeah, I went with the whole country shut the trip on that. That goes to another thing. Shout out to jay Z though I'm not saying this too, you know, but me and the homie, right, we're in the hallway. We're the only two essays in the hallway and there you know the noble set up. Yeah. So I'm a huge jay Z fan. Like one of the only this, I tell you, one of the only albums I had on the yard

was like a reasonable doubt. I had a reasonable doubt. I had Graduation, and then I had Mob Deep Murder Music you know, classics, classics, right, So those are the three albums that I'm doing time with, right, so fuck, Like I said, okay, so I'm in. I'm waiting for Benny because I know how the shows end. I wanted to get to the back. Yeah you know what it is or yeah, yeah before everybody all the Russia comes in. So I see gpre goes homeboy with him his older homie.

I forgot his name, but his ogi homie. I recognize him first. And then that's when Jigga had the dreads, you know, the big thing. So right away I was like, oh ship, that's that's jay Z and the homies, Like no, it's not. I'm like food, trust me, that's whole fool like, you know. So he walks by, and sure enough we see him. But I didn't want to you know, hey what you know what I'm saying, like, I don't know. I'd rather just admire a boy from the distance, you know,

and and enjoy the moment. So he goes over there, and then on the way back, Jigga comes out by himself, literally, you know, and I'm tripping like damn, no security with old boy, like what the fuck? And it's just me and the homie stand in the corner and I'm dressed almost like whath I'm dressed? Right now? I got my go down. The homie got way more shit than me. But we're both bald and we're chilling, and jay Z walks up to me right and he's like, what's up, brother,

And I'm like, what's up? You know what I mean? I didn't even know how to act, to be honest with you, So I shake his hand. We exchanged a few words politely, and then he leaves and then I pull on my phone. I take a picture from behind around like I would have got the pick. I wanted to bro, but I'll all my coup points can get thrown right out through and I'd be like, yo, Jay, look, yeah, I gotta get that. So when he walks away, I

swear to you. I don't know why, but the first that comes to my mind, I was like, Damn, I bet you. I bet you. Jay Z thought we were the plug. There's no way he thought I wrapped her, fucking you rap. You know what I'm saying, Like, I know for a fact this mother buy thought we were the plug. You know what I'm saying. But either way though it was dope. You feel the saying. But but yeah, all that shit, you know, it's all due diligence and like hard work and carrying yourself the right way, you

know what I'm saying. Like, I know a lot of people highlight ignorance right now, but dog, let me tell you, like on the block, what's gonna make you survive and make you thrive is your intelligence, you know what I'm saying, at the end of the day, Like knowing how to move, knowing where to be at, knowing how to conduct yourself.

Like all that loudmouth shit is only good on the phone. Dog, Yeah, when it comes to real, real business, Nobody wants to sit across the table from somebody that's a liability, you feel, I'm saying, And somebody that don't know about investing, somebody that doesn't believe in the worth of where they're at and what they're doing at the moment. Like I know the worst because Doug, in the blink of an eye, I could go back to the cell I remember that

bitch vividly. You fee what I'm saying. Right now? What time is it? It's two o'clock. Right now, I'd be watching on the People's Court. I'd be watching the People's Court. I'd be getting ready to go out to the yard, right two o'clock, yard, right man, the first unlock two o'clock, we'd be ready, I'd have. I'd be on the toilet, no lie three yard, waiting for my daughter unlock, while my celly is on the bunk looking like a raging bull ready to come out to yard. Because we're that

excited to come out for a few an hour. So crazy, you know what I'm saying. I want to shout out to a couple of artists. We're talking about dope rappers, coyotes, dope. Those those dudes are incredible and dope man from uh Houston, Houston. Yeah, hit your raper's ass off. Yeah, I had a little

I had. I had a communication with the Coyotes, you know, when they well I'm sure they're still sign a whack, but you know, I just reached out to them, you know what I'm saying, and told them, like man, dog like, there's better ways to go about this ship. I would say that just because someone signed to somebody doesn't necessarily mean that they you know, I feel you feel I say that too, But I mean to this point, unfortunately,

the Mexican artist signed a whax, so whax yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah, so you know, but but they're doing their things ship, you know, and you know it's all love, you know what I'm saying at the end of the day. Well there it is, man. Well look your album is out. Hell yeah, Hunger Games to the Price of Integrity, bangers all the way through. You a PC, You a bitch. Don't listen to my ship. You ain't gonna like it though, guaranteed, protect the whole crowd that night. Don't listen to my ship.

You don't hustle, you don't stand on your word. Don't listen to my ship like you ain't gonna like it. There it is facts. Appreciate you, and you're picking this bitch boom. Appreciate you, Yes, sir, fire real quick. Yeah, I'm about to piss my pants. I'll come back, give me a second. So just introduce yourself to this cameracy. Check me out on the Bootleg Head podcast. Check me on the Butleg Oh let me do it again, check me on the butlet Cab podcast. You're picking the small fucker.

Say your name first? Okay, okay, how do you got How do people usually say their name first? I don't want to say what's up? My name is both ship. I ain't doing that ship. Hey what up? Though? Hey salute all the gangsters, bozo. I'm on the Butleg Cat Show. Tune in, give us a view. You know the business you pick for gotcha? So what have you just