#222 - G Herbo

Survivor's Remorse, Bro, Survivors Remorse. Man for me is you know, it's it's deeper than just the album title. Is where I am mentally in my life, you know what I'm saying as a man having overcame so much adversity and like, Bro's crazy because my circumstances when I first started rapping. Let me just go back to in general, when I first started rapping, when I first made my first ever rap, how it wasn't trying to I was the first time I made a rap, like on some shit. Yeah yeah, yeah,

they'll herb shit. Fifteen fifteen years old, Okay, probably fourteen fourteen going on fifteen or something like that. I was fourteen, a freshman of high school, you like fourteen or fifteen. And when I did that, I wasn't trying to like become a rapper like my dreams and aspirations was never to become a rapper, like I want to become this

big superstar and nothing like that. I was rapping trying to like put on for my hood, be the voice for my neighborhood, you know what I'm saying, and talk about what I was feeling, what I was going through, Like I wasn't. I didn't know what a manager was, an A and I record label. I didn't know what none of that was. Bro I didn't know anything about that for me. Like I just was recording the song on my on my flip phone over a YouTube beat and I sent it to my homies for them to hear.

You know what I'm saying. It just picked up naturally, you know, And I still wasn't. It didn't grasp me, you know what I'm saying. I'm saying to say, like me, you're a kid. I was a kid, you feel me. And when I started to become a rapper, I was still a kid, you know. So survivors of morese for me is coming from that being in the most dangerous neighborhood, you know what I'm saying, one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago, and just trying to find a way

to get my thoughts out. You know what I'm saying. I always knew how to rap. It was just a way for me to like express what I'm going through in the hood and for my homies to hear it, to relate to it, you know what I'm saying. And to have that and turn it into this and to be able to overcome death, prison, drug addiction like that, all of these things and beat g herbal today be who I am today, you know what I'm saying, And that's what being a survivor is for me. You know

what I'm saying. I survived my circumstance. I don't never have to go back to living that way. You feel what I'm saying. And the remorse side of it is everything I lost along the way. You know a lot of my best friends, my brother, just so much, you know, just in the thought of so many people that I

love that I actually care about. Still being in poverty, still being under these circumstances, you know what I'm saying, and me wanting to help them, Me wanting to show them this other side of life because I've experienced it, and understanding that you can't do that for everybody, understanding that everybody not gonna want that for themselves, you know.

And it's a constant battle, you feel what I'm saying, like I have to to smile and be charismatic and do interviews a leader as be a leader, you know what I'm saying, be a role model for so many people that look up to me. And I don't get a chance to really just sit back and reflect on life or sit back and just you know, feed my mental stability, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, and grieve or whatever the case may be. You know what I'm saying, I can't really have a bad day all day.

It's no such thing as me really being mad all day. I've never experienced it for real. You don't have the luxury. I don't have the luxury to just be pissed off all day or be sad all day. I don't have that. So that's the remorse side of it, you know what I'm saying, And that's crazy, and I'm blessed to just be the type of person where I'm not even that kind of guy, Like, no matter what I'm going through or how I'm feeling, I'm not gonna ever be mad,

upset all day, angry all day. I don't even understand how that's possible, right, But people really like that. People really walk around mad, sad, angry all day because of what they going through. And I just know I'm blessed no matter what it is. I don't give a fuck if I was dead broke. I've experienced enough life to know that I'm blessed no matter what. I'm alive, my kid is good, whatever the fuck the case may be. You know what I'm saying. So that's survivals of Morse

to me. You know just why I am mentally, you know what I'm saying, just trying to create balance for myself. You feel me, because at the end of the day, you don't really change. I'm still that same person. And it's probably the deepest explanation that I've given about the title. You know what I'm saying because I'm still same person. I'm still that same kid from say knife essence. You feel me, but I'm gee herbal, I'm a father, I'm a leader, I'm a philanthropist. I'm so many things where

I can't really dwell on one moment. I just gotta keep on trying to get better and better. That's survivor's immorse. You know what I'm saying. I just gotta you know, keep a level playing field. Would you say that when you get into those mind states where you're very like, you start thinking about shit like that, do you look to your kids? It's like the number one way push through. That's my number one outlet. Yeah, other than like the studio and you know what I'm saying, just having fun

with the people. I love my family, you know what I'm saying. My girl and shit like that, Like that's the only piece that I really have. You feel me when it's smiles, happiness. I don't like argument. I don't like confrontation because I can't, you know, balance my emotions. I have to keep my emotions bottled in one place. So I don't like confrontation. I don't like to, especially with people that I care about, because I don't want to release that angle on Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

So my only like pure form of like pieces being on my kids at all bro like period. That's the only time I could think about nothing in the world and nothing else matter anger around my kids. All they want to do is playing. It's mad, right right, right right? Yeah? And you have your lot like you're living for them now. You know what I'm saying, not just yourself, do you? Uh? You know? I I think that there's something to be said, Like anybody who's in a leadership uh role, I feel

like a lot of people depend on you. You're a young leader in hip hop, but it just in terms of just your life, your life, your personal personal life. Everybody everyone's looking at you. Every single person in my life depends on me, whether it's financially, whether it's leadership, emotional, whatever it is, opportunity emotional. Everybody in my life depends on me for something. You know what I'm saying. I depend on them for things too, of course, but it's

a double sided relationship, you know what I'm saying. But I have the most responsibility, so I gotta carry myself that way. You know what I'm saying. I can't take none personal. I gotta go and get this ship because life is not promised. So while I'm here, I'm gonna get where I want to be, and I'm gonna put the people who I want to put in position in position. I'm not gonna take it personally. I'm not gonna take a day off. I'm not gonna waste the date. This

shit could be taken from me tomorrow. I can't more than one way it could be taken from there? Do you like? My thing is, though, is when you're in that position, because I find myself in a similar position, Like would you say, because because like who do you go to? Because everyone's gonna come to you with their bullshit, Everyone's gonna come to you with their problems. It depends. I only have a certain few people that I could really go to, Like if you're having a bad day,

who do you go to? Like? Who? Depends on what kind of bad day I'm having? Right, Sometimes I go to nobody. Sometimes I'm just I deal with myself, you know. So off the top of my head, I know I could trust my therapist. I could go to her. I could go to JB for things. I could go to make for things. I could go to deal for things. You know what I'm saying. I go to my big brother for things. I go to my mother for things,

you know what I'm saying. But overall, it's like I feel like nobody really really understand what I'm going through, you know what I'm saying. So it's like a lot of times I just keep it pushing, you know. I mean, they have a therapist is nice though, and also to be I mean, that's wonderful. Like I could tell her anything, you know what I'm saying, Like, just tell her whatever,

you know what I'm saying. But I feel like, and it's crazy, the more my life is like picked up and expanded, I don't it's therapy is not the same if I'm not in front of her, Like I can't do zooms and yeah, that shit don't work for me, because that's something that's like since the pandemic. Yeah, it's not the same. It don't work. I gotta get in front of her, you know what I'm saying. So it's like once the pandemic hit, I kind of feel back off therapy a little bit. It's not the same. Zoom shit,

it's the same thing with interviews. I tell people I pass on the zoom Yeah, yeah, the zoone interviews zone play back or whatever unless it's like, you know, yeah, the necessity of it got to be you know. But I'm like, look, I'd rather wait till they're in LA and we across from each other, absolutely, because it's some more. Yeah, at what point in time, Because I do feel like everybody should go to therapy, everybody. I don't care who you are, I don't care if you got Definitely, I

recommend everybody tried. At least everyone should try to have that outlet where you could unapologetically just express yourself in the room. Definitely, at least once. How long have you been going to therapy. I've been going to therapy since two thousand and eighteen, and that was by choice, Kinada. Yeah, it was about choice. My lawyer actually recommended it for me. You know what I'm saying. I really I told my lawyer, you know, I believe in honesty and transparency. You know

what I'm saying. I was fighting a gun case in Chicago is behind me now, and I told my lawyer, like, I've never really not been in fear of my life since I was fourteen years old. Crazy way to live fifteen years old, that's a crazy way to wake up and living lawyer is a uh he's over at sixty years old, a black man, you know what I'm saying. Then he I had two lawyers and I had another lawyer,

black woman. She was in her thirties, you know, forties maybe, And when I expressed it to him, they just prefer, like, you need to go to therapy and talk to somebody, you know what I'm saying. And I did that, and within like my second third session, she literally went to court testify for me or you know what I'm saying, wrote down and sent it to my judge, and I

was literally diagnosed with postraumatic stress disorder. I've never like still to this day, and that's why I believe the importance of like security and all that shit, because I'm paranoid, bro, everywhere I go. I've always been paranoid, and I'm kind of like easing out of it now, you know as Yeah, but you ease out of it, and then you see ease out of it. See when your comrades lose their life and when they left their guard, they snappy right

back into it. That's what I'm saying. And I'm glad you made that point, because you ease out of it. The more you experience life, the more you see stuff, the more you were able to travel, the more you able to make money. Like I was afraid for my life in Chicago. I'm moved to LA to get away from this shit, right, and then you see somebody that you love, P and B long live my brother. That's why I'm talking. I love, I love, and you see these things, nip all these people. You feel what I'm saying.

I came here to get away from that ship. And then you're like, oh shit, it's still like that out here. But at the end of the day, it's like that everywhere. This is everywhere, no matter where you are anywhere in another country, it's like that everywhere. You know what I'm saying. So the realization of it is you can't put your guard down, So how do you deal with it? You know? Like I also think that like you just have to

kind of understand who you are exactly. You're g Herbo, so you're not gonna like you're gonna take notes if you're If you're self aware and you're sure of yourself, I think there's certain ways you can move around to her, like absolutely, if you get cat slipping, like you want my like you want my iPhone? Guy, I believe that I take it. I believe it. I'm that type of guy. I say that all the time. I look at the camera and say that I don't have no ego. There's

not no gangst the bone in my body. That's gonna feel funny about. Like, I understand that. You know what I'm saying. God forbid if I'm ever in that situation, my proud will never getting away of me, getting back home your family period ever, ever, ever. You can have that ship. You want the car, I give you my car, go ahead, take it. I get away from me. It's gonna be the most calm, robbery, and it's not gonna be.

It's gonna be. Don't touch me. Don't touch me, don't put your hands on me, don't harm my fact, don't do nothing. You can have this ship. Man, ain't nothing. It ain't worth it, it it ain't never worth it. I could get it again more than a million more times. You can have this ship, bro. You can have my car, you can have everything you need to get away car,

take this ship. Yeah, there's something about PTSD that obviously an amazing record of yours that was on your last album but it's something about PTSD that, you know, we always think of soldiers having it, people who go to war, but I think that you know, people who have been through certain situations or grew up in certain places. It's very real, man, And it's like have you tried to Have you ever tried to fuck with mushrooms at all? No?

I ain't gonna lie. You know, it's so crazy, bro, like long ago, I always want to try, Like like years ago, I always want to try. And I used to be around juice all the time. You know what I'm saying. I always wanted to try that shit. I ain't gonna lie, but I never tried it because I just feel like I need to be in a set space, you know what I'm saying. I be in a set space, maybe out the country with my family having fun, and I maybe try that ship. You feel what I'm saying.

But I always wanted to try it. Though when you do it, you definitely have to have your guard fully let down. You gotta have you let down in a fully comfort. My brother, I swear my brother told me the story. Look this my brother's name G two. He an artist he signed the South Side. That's my brother I love. He told me one of his experiences off shrooms, and this one made me want to try. He came in the studio. I wasn't there. He came to the

studio crying, like crying, what's wrong? What the fuck you craand for? And said, I'm happy. He said, I'm crying because I'm so fucking happy, and that she threw me out. I laughed, it's so fucking hard. When they told me their story, and that's what maybe we want the treashrop. Well, like, uh, there's PTSD in like specifically, yeah, psilocybin, which is the psychoactive ingredient that are in magic mushrooms, you know whatever. It cures it for soldiers, soos those yes in Portland.

You heard it so in Portland. But I'm saying, like, and that's crazy you said that because G two a street nigga, you know what I'm saying, Like it was a different feeling for him, like whatever, the psychoedelic Like also, I mean obviously it depends on how much you eat, depends on what you know what I mean. But uh

so they just legalized, uh psilocybin therapy in Portland. So like now like there's like soldiers who will just go to Portland for like two weeks and they'll go see a therapist and they do like some psilocybin therapy and man, it really helps therapists get them, yes, but they get yeah, and it helps with It really helps with PTSD. Was just like a form of basically, like Joe Biden just talked about legalizing it for therapeutic purposes because it helps PTSD.

It's crazy that m d M a therapy, which you said, I probably have to try it. You have to, man, and you have to do it. You have to do it, like make sure the kids ain't around. Yeah, for sure. You can do it recreationally and like be in the studio and still kill it, you know, Like I fucking was Friday Rooms the other night. I never tried it,

but I want to try it though. You gotta do it if you really want to do it, because I think if you really like pt first person to ever really introduced me to shrooms with self side south Side already he's fucking with everything. Party is that guy when it comes to just man, he's a great, great guy. Me and him had one of the funnest interviews I've ever done. And I appreciated his transparent that's really like

my twin brother. He's a great guy. I want to, you know, the one thing I haven't done this party with him, and I'm not sure I want to, but yeah you you not don't want to, but you don't know if I'm ready. You don't know if I'm ready. That nigga literally me and him, like he's hilarious. Man, Yeah, I didn't know what to think. I met him before, back in the day and he came in for the interview and he was just like an open book and he's hilarious, super solid exactly, It's like he's solid, but

it's like it's a whole other like sad to him. Yeah, they don't make it like they don't make him like him, make him what I'm telling you, like, that's my that's my best friend, bro. Like my mother loved him, his mother loved me. I know his whole family, you know, my entire amazing you know my whole family. Definitely do the mushrooms, man, Yeah, I think I think mentally it will help you. Man, that you should do. But like listen, look there on the back, like, hey, man, I don't

know why you want to introduce this, y'all. First of all, drug, it's not a drug. You could do your research on it, but get an airbnb somewhere in the fucking woods away from everything exactly, and try eat a ton and then just sit back and let it. Let the medicine do it. But you know this so crazy because my mind automatically, Like I'm a thinker, bro, My mind is like all over the place, Like literally, I think about sober. I

think about every single obstacle in my life. I think about, Okay, I make this decision, it's gonna affect this person, this person is then you're am I cool with that? All right? I'm cool with that. I'm gonna do it. You feel That's how I think automatically, So I SMS gonna open my shit up a different way, like even the smallest thing like weed. When I used to smoke weed, bro, Yeah, I used to think differently, you know. You know what I'm saying, Like when I drink liquor, I think differently.

But I'm a thinker. You know. I never act off emotion. Mushrooms, things a certain way increase exactly. And I've heard that That's what I'm saying. I'm a natural thinker, so I can only imagine what my mind is going to do if I take a shroom. I got you, man, I own a gummy company, So I'm gonna hook you up. We're gonna fuck around. I'm gonna hit you. I'm gonna hit you about it after I try, and I'm gonna call you. You You want to be the first person I call, like, hey, bro,

I'll funk with you for that. Yeah, you're gonna like you're gonna close your eyes to go to bed the night you try him in your brain. And then said President Joe Biben already didn't God damn it. The goal is the legal to legalized PS psychedelic therapy. And before you want to say that, Joe Biben right now, I don't know you owe as fuck. We missed Obama. We missed Obama. God damn we missed Trump. I can't listen. I missed. I missed. You know what, I ain't even

gonna say that. I just missed prior to Biden. I missed my tax bills under Trump exactly because God, that's what I'm telling you. My say what details the tax the I R S check I wrote last year hurt my soul, and you make way more money than me. You know, I don't even want to talk about taxes, please, don't you know what you gotta do is I have a few rapper friends that I won't say because I'm not blowing up their spot. But what you do is you get your primary residence in either Nevada or Florida.

Absolutely that's where you live. Absolutely that's where you live. And then you don't got to worry about state taxes because California is fucking you in that fucking Oh my god, it's terrible. It's bad. I don't even know why we I mean, why does anybody live here? I know why I live here. But if I was doing literally anything else with my life, I'm out this bitch. And I love I love Cali. I love the culture here, I love the people here. I love it. I just love it.

I never thought that I would ever, like, even want to move anywhere else. You know what I'm saying, But tax purposes to make you want to get the fuck out of it. I mean, yeah, Elon Musk left Elon mus like I'm going to Texas. Fuck y'all, no bullsh Yeah, it's a shout out to uh yeah, but we got to get you some mushrooms. Man. Well, you said you had to overcome drug addiction. What was what was the your your your poison? Zan's percoset and Lane that those are all the hard ones, all the hard was all

the worst ones, man, those are the kind ones. Yeah. I got addicted to Zans and Lane when I was probably about seventeen years old. I was taking Zans, drinking Lane, smoking weed like every day. I ain't gonna lie, look I used to. I got to a point where my brother, he had tell you the story. I wish he was here. We was in New York one time, you know, like seventeen eighteen, I'm already g herbal. I'm already well look herd, well,

whatever the fucking I'm already traveling. I'm doing shows. I'm in the other States, and shit, you know what I'm saying. So I'm on the road battling you know, the trauma that I'm truck that I've been dealing with for so long, you know what I'm saying. But I'm like, one day, we was in a hotel and I'm seeing my brother right there. I'm just like taking Zans, taking one. I was already off one. I ain't shilling. Were just in

the room chilling, like thirty forty minutes go by. I taking that one like I will go back, I'll take another. We look at me like, hey, Bro, what the fuck you doing? You feel? My brother like, hey, nigga, I just watched you literally take three three of them holse hands back to back, you drinking? What the fuck is you doing? Right? I'm like seventeen, eighteen years old and my brother five years older than me. You're like, man,

what the fuck you on? And I ain't even realize you feel me like I ain't even feel like I'm feeling. I'm like, I ain't high. He like, Nigga, I'm looking at you, nigga, he is high? You feel me like I was battling with that shit crazy bro, because I couldn't sleep like trauma things I'm seeing, Bro, Like and you're dealing with you seeing some wicked shit. Bro. I done seen my best friend's brains blew out in front of me. I haven't seen a lot of shit bro, for real. Like it has got to a point where

I couldn't live with my grandmother. My grandmother died in twenty sixteen. Bro, I missed the last probably year and a half of my grandmother life because I couldn't live with I couldn't live there, Bro, I couldn't live that niggas was trying to kill me. I couldn't. You couldn't be around her because you couldn't be around the person who I love the most life because of where she lived, right, and she ain't had no choice. She on fucking Section eight.

She can't move. You feel what I'm saying, Like that shit bothered me still to this day, Bro, you feel I don't want to get emotional about it, but you can only imagine, Like that's just one thing. So how about this. So my grandma died of COVID early COVID. Yeah, so but this is what was fucked up. And she was like teetering on dementia. So we'd have to go and see her like three or four times a week just to remind her right, so she would always grandmother

was like that she had a stroke. She had a stroke, and she was like, you know, trying to gain her memory back. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, But what was crazy was you remember during COVID they shut down all the nursing homes. So like the last two months of my grandma's life, we literally were not allowed to visit her, and they wouldn't. They wouldn't even like they would try to put us on the phone with her, you know what I'm saying. But like, so she died

alone with nobody around her, without seeing anybody for two months. Crazy, bro, I ain't gonna lie like I relate to that because and I don't even want to get deep into it, you know what I'm saying, But i'm'a just go into it. Fucking my mother's mom. She died from a stroke, her second stroke, I called her first stroke. I got into a fight at school when I was in eighth grade. Fuck, and I told my sister, like, run down the block, and my sister had a cell phone. We get into

it some niggas after school, blase blah. I tell my sister like, run down the street, you see what I'm saying. And my sister called, like, oh her beating them fighting and scared of my grandmother, like you know, made her get scared. And as soon as I walk in the house after the shit, I walk home. I'm in eighth grade. Soon as I walk in the house, my grandma see me, she already like is static, like she's already Yeah, it's older, niggas though it's older. And we got into it some

niggas that was like junior singings in high school. We in eighth grade. You feel what I'm saying. So my sister crying on the phone, she is static. My grandma don't know what the fuck going right. So when I get home and she sees me walk in, she like already peering. I promised. I went in the house for two minutes. My grandma fell on the floor, hit a stroke in front of everybody. You feel me, and she

recovered from it. She had third she lost her memory all that, you know what I'm saying, And then she had another another another stroke, maybe like ten years later, something like that. You feel what I'm saying. But like as I'm in the streets and all this, and I had to move out of my grandmother's house and I was still trying to like go see her. You know, I remember my last time stepping foot in my grandmother house.

I was probably eighteen nineteen years old, my last time stepping front in her house, and I had a girl like dropping me off, like I'm gonna go see my grandma real quick. You pulling me right there in my ops neighborhood. It's just me and a girl. You feel me? Wow, go inside the crib. I got a big ass gun on me, big ass going on me, poll me. My grandma see it? You feel me like? She like, don't come back here no more? You know she I don't even want you to come back here no more. It's cool.

I'll call you, I'll come see you, you feel I'm saying. And that was the last time I wanted my grandma house. And then I moved my mother when I started making money. The first thing I did, the first big check I really got, for real, I moved my mama out the hood, and she knew my grandma wasn't moving. She ain't gonna know where. I moved my grandma an hour away from Chicago. My grandma already six. She old she not driving an

hour away to go see nobody. You feel me like, my grandma only been to the mansion, and I bought my mama my grandma probably been there. I could count on one hand how many times she's been there. You feel me? And it was like I lost the memories with my grandmother, and that's who raised me. That's the woman I love the most. You feel me, I lost those memories. And what I'm saying is, I'll relate to what you're saying, because this is my mother's mom after COVID,

my father's mom. Still I haven't seen my father's mom in probably two years. She's in the hospital still to this day. Right now, right now, we don't know what I'm doing. Hell, she's in the hospital to this day. She called COVID and she was in like one of them spots where she COVID was so crazy. She couldn't get no visitors. Yeah, that's it's limited visitors, can't nobody even see her. But my mom, my mom only see her maybe once or twice. My dad could only go

see her. They won't even let me see her. I'm gee herbo. I can't even go see my grandmother for real, You know what I'm saying. And I think now I probably can now, but it's like it's two years and going by my grandma close to eighty years old. You feel what I'm saying, she's like seventy seven, senty eight, close to eighty years old. I can't even see her. You feel I'm saying that fuck with me all the time. Go see her, man, if you can only grandma. Yeah,

I don't even know if I can. I've been trying to hit I would go back home to a Z because I'm from Phoenix, and I would be like I would always make it a point even about me. I promise like I want to go take my kids to go see her. Bro, that's the ship that really means something to me. I'm saying like, I got a one year old and a four year old daughter. You feel I'm saying like, I want to take all my kids. My son four years old, so of course she met your son by the time, I need to go take

all my kids to go. Yeah, that's what's important. She wants to see her grand kids. He's a great grand and it'll make a great grand kid, and it'll make her like it'll make her fucking my grandma soldier, you know what I'm saying. So that's a lot, like a lot of shit that I battle with and I be dealing with Bro and dealing with my family and shit like I don't never really say, you know, but I'm open to say it now because I want people to

understand like, I don't speak on this ship. So when you come to me with your problems, I got my own problem. Of course, I don't want to hear another nigga problems, bro, because I deal with my problems head on, and your problems probably not even half of what I'm dealing with. And I got all the money I'm dealing with. It's more money, more problems, but fuck the money. I got my own personal problems. Don't come to me by no personal problems, And I got these problems in them problems.

You know what I'm saying. I'm telling you with a lot of shit, bro, I definitely want to. I definitely have to. You know, like I talk, I'll be thinking in my head, I'd be like shit, I wish I would have went and saw her more. I talk to my mom every day about this ship, you know, talk to my dad is like I have to. I don't like right now, don't literally if I'm able to go visit my grandmother. It just happened like this a week recently, two weeks top right right, I just got the window

to go see homes are being very careful. Shit wasn't like that, bro, I couldn't see her I'm just now able to, so I gotta take initiative right now. You feel what I'm saying that should be tough. It's crazy what you said about like not being able to go see your grandma because where she lived exact. I just wonder how many like just countless, countlessless young men are dealing with that same shit. You know what I mean.

Niggas in Chicago can't go see their grandmother, gan they mother, they kids because they live, you know what I'm saying. That's why it's so big on me to just bring opportunity and change to the city. You know what I'm saying, because if you don't bring no opportunity, niggas is not beefing in Chicago over money, especially my generation. It ain't no money out there. Niggas ain't beefing over no blocks

or drug lass and none of that shit. Niggas beefing over hearsay, bullshit, the internet, lack of money, lack of opportunity. It's nothing to do but be angry at everybody. But once you start bringing money, I don't give a fuck. And it's my opinion because I've experienced money. Now, maybe I'm wrong, or maybe I'm not. But once you start bringing money an opportunity to niggas, ain't nobody got time to do that shit. Bro. Once you got millions and you could feed your family, you don't want to go

do nothing, no niggas. So if you're doing that for this and for whoever like you, just bringing opportunity to Chicago, a lot of violence gonna stop because nigga's gonna be able to take care of their family, you know what I'm saying. Like niggas could talk out differences or whatever, fight hit whatever. You know what I'm saying. I'm not trying to end all the violence. It's impossible. You could

never end all the violence anywhere, not just Chicago. But like, I'm just trying to bring opportunity to the youth so they don't have to do that. So even my generation, we probably already too fucked up to be honest. Maybe I don't know, but definitely I care about the youth. I care about the generations after me, so they don't got to live how I live. You feel what I'm saying, That's what's important to me. I don't want my kids to live how I live, bro. I want my kids

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yourself or our leaders. And I think you do a really good job of of not participating in stuff that I see some of your other cutting parts participating in. But I know that it's really it's really hard. Two Once, once people die, once relatives die, or whatever. I just

I just I don't know what it is like. You know, I think for me, at least from an outsider looking and I think it starts with you know, like you said, like if you're in a position to give back, if you're in a position to be a positive influence on on the generation below you, I think that's a lot, you know, And I do want to give you props because I feel like I never see you wrapped up in negative bullshit outside of you know, hey, you know, maybe you got a charge, or you're going ship with

your with your baby mom, whatever, just dumb shit that you know, your famous person you're gonna deal with. You're gonna deal with famous person shit. But I feel like, you know, I always say that like just as an artist, you've grown the most over the years. As a rapper,

you've you've you've leaps and bounds lyrically. But all that shit aside, Like I feel like as a man, like you're one of those shining examples of like, you know, growth, We saw you grow up in front of our eyes, and you know, I want to just give you kudos for not participate painting in the fun shit that I see a lot of people who you know are your peers participating in. But like, what do you think is the key to kind of like you're never gonna stop everything. Yeah,

for sure, absolutely. I think the key to it is opportunity. Bro. Yeah, people are opportunists. So at the end of the day, if you're an opportunist and I'm not, I may give you opportunity because as an opportunitist, you may think, all right, the way to feed my family is to do this on the internet or do this or yeah, because you get function, you see your metric. The function is what's feeding people family, But at the end of the day, it's what's ending families as well. That ship is feeding

families and and families at the same time. And it's the short Nu. It's like, yeah, short you feel and I feel like for what I don't want to do because I could, I could feed into all the function and I could be on functionhit. But I'm not for what. I feel like I got so much to lose. And that's just from experiencing life on so many ways, bro, because I used to wake up every day on functionhit. But I ain't on that. Bro. I wake up every day in a big ass crib with my kids. I

don't even want to think about no func. Shit. You feel what I'm saying, And it's like at the end of the day. It's so easy to like snap back and like entertain goofy shit or whatever. But I feel like the key opponent to ending that is opportunity. Bro, you gotta get a nigga's opportunity, and you gotta understand, you gotta be understanding of why niggas on function. It's certain niggas on function that don't have nothing else to resort to, but that they don't have no other opportunities,

no ways of making money. They in theyhood all day where it's nothing but negativity. I could tell you every day it was nothing but negativity in my neighborhood, where every day is some function going on, and we still finding ways to smell, to have fun. My friends, my best friends die. I'm coming back on this block every day, and I'm still able to crack a smile, which is crazy.

That's insane, that's insane. You feel what I'm saying. So to understand that, it's one of the main reasons why I don't feed into it, because I under staying I get why niggas frustrated. I could get why a nigga may be frustrated even at me, because I'm able to live on this side of the fence. That's survivors remorse, and that's why I understand, Like, damn, it's cool, I know you going through this. I really want to help you, but I gotta be able to help you. But you

gotta want to help yourself. You gotta want to help you. But it's like nigga. Certain niggas can't even help themselves because they in this environment. It's hard to want to help yourself when survive survive, that's the survivor side. I survive this ship, so I understand it different. You feel what I'm saying, like everything just tied back into each other and it's like that shit tough, bro, And I understand it because I once come from that you feel

I'm saying. So the reason why I don't feed into it is because it ain't even worth it to me. Well, that takes a lot of humility on your behalf to be like, you know what, I'm not feeding into this ship because I get it. I was there, I get it. Yeah, I get it. You feel what I'm saying like I always once you, I relate to you. So I feel like with me being an open book and being vulnerab about this shit, and nigga would be like, damn, he really do get it right? Fuck it. Let me just

change everything because I made the biggest sacrifice. I wouldn't be here today if I ain't say fuck everything, bro, and every nigga around me could contest to it. I said, fuck everything, Fuck being on the block, fuck hanging with my friends, fuck rap. I said, fuck everything. Let me just get my mad right, Bro. I stayed in my mama house literally, nigga. I had a condo down town

when I was seventeen years old. Bro, I stayed in my mama house in my twenties and just stayed in abasement and just try to think about life, bro, Think about where I would be if I made certain decisions. You feel what I'm saying. If I was still outside hanging on my block, because I love my hood so much. But I got millions of dollars, youee what I'm saying, I'm making millions of dollars, you know. And that was one of the toughest times I've ever been through in

my life. And people who experienced that with me know I went through some tough shit and I overcame that. So I'm saying all that to say is no matter what you're going through in your life or whatever tough times you going through, you could just buckle down, embrace it, and overcome it. You know what I'm saying. There's people going through tougher shit than me, of course, so you just gotta take it for what it is, bro and just try to be the best version of yourself that

you could be tomorrow than you was yesterday. And you keep trying to do that, and then you look up niggas two months then going back you're like, damn, I think totally different, right, But I can get back out here and just do my thing. You feel me, I think I was gonna say, I think another thing that you probably I think that we have to stop romanticizing the wrong shit, Like if you come from a certain area, like at the end of the day, unless you own

that real estate, ain't about nothing. It ain't about nothing, no man who cares. Like one of my biggest pet peeves is when I see people like I'm still here, y'all can't come over here, and I'm like, yo, like at the end of the day, like you grew up there, and you know where you grew up, Like your goal should be to try to evolve and get into with the situation out of here so we could own this ship. You feel what I'm saying and show you this, and

that's crazy you saying that. Bro, This like some of the deepest shit I've been talking about right now with you. Because I just did the AS on the block ship in Chicago right there, I just did the A A on a block interview. I thought about it. I'm like, I'm gonna go back to the block and shoot this ship. I thought, like, own this ship game, I own a school in Chicago. I'm finna shoot my ship right here. You on the school. I own the school at the school.

That's what I'm finna shoot right here, right here, my ship. I own this property game. I own this ship, Bro, Why not want to shoot right here? Why not want to shoot right here? Why not go back to the block when I could own this ship and get this ship to people who I care about? How my home? And now you got a development company, a construction company, a paint company, of real estate management company. Get that ship to y'all, and now we really own the block.

Post up on that bitch, all y'all want, let's do this. That's what I'm also like you, your goal should always be to get back to your kids every day. Hell, and if it's like a three percent chance to something wrong happens when you go shoot that. If it's a two percent, don't do it. Let me minimize the man. I need to maximize the chance to getting home to this chance. The nigga, I'm up so and some ship

rubbed me the wrong way. I ain't doing it, you feel I'm saying, But I was the same nigga, Like I know for a fact, I know every risk of doing this. I'm still do it because I feel like, all right, bet I could do it. Yeah, because I got that same like my my man had work. I know, I feel like I could overcome any situation. And that's dangerous. So I put myself and it's up situation. That's and that's also not like I could overcome. No, that's a

terrible way, crazy way to think. What I learned that way to think in bad circum I feel like I used to be the same way, where like now we're gonna be all right, We're gonna be straight, we get through whatever happens. I got it it. We got it. Until you don't till you don't. Everything all good till it ain't until it ain't. Nobody's bulletproof. Nobody is uh, everything all good until it ain't. Bro. That's some real shit, And I think a lot of people need to stop

moving around with just like I feel like false privilege. Like, hey, man, you ain't no better than anybody else, you know what I'm saying. And I know that though I understand that you feel I'm saying, I just felt like I was the best version of myself right, and that ain't no way to think. Nah. I think I think, man, I just you know, slew to you dog because I swear, man,

I always tell people that interviews. Whenever your name is brought up, I'm like, man, you're like, I think, like a beaming light from a city that needs that light. You know what I'm saying. And I think, you know, just to watch you. I think the first time I saw you, I was on the side of the stage at Summer Jam when Nikki brought you out. Yeah, that's crazy. So that was like twenty fourteen or fifteen? Was that fourteen? Twenty fourteen? For sure? How old were you twenty fourteen?

I was seventeen, so that was. Yeah, I remember that shit like that was like that was one of them days, fourteen seventeen eighteen like that. Yeah, that was one of those days I always remember because we were right there like bullshited our way where the label didn't kick us out and I'm like standing there watching fucking Nikki and Drake and you get brought out. That was That was how big of how pivotal of like a day was that for you to get brought out of summer jam

by Nikki? Man, that shit was crazy, Bro. I was so nervous. I couldn't even really like because you gotta understand, bro, I'm coming from say Knife and Assens every day. That's why I'm hanging it. Like literally, I'm right there the day before I fly out. So it's like I didn't even feel like I belonged there. I felt like I felt I blended in better over there. And that's the wrong way to think, because I've been a superstar Nigga. I wouldn't even been there if I ain't belong with that.

Of course, NICKI would have never reached out to me if I didn't deserve to be there. But when I come around that, I felt like I was out of place. That's fucking crazy. I should have felt like I was out of place on my block, right you feel me? I felt the most comfortable over there. And when I get around Wayne, fucking Baby Nikki, all these superstars meet. This is my first time really meeting all of them. I ain't say a word that Bro, Drake Nigga. I saw to god Drake could contest it is right now,

we backstage. My first real encounter with Drake was, y'all don't know who this is. This is my favorite rapper. Drake called me his favorite rapper Nigga when I was eighteen years old. It's my favorite rapper right now. And I got so shot. I'm like, man, what the fuck you just put me on the spot like that for? It fucked me up because I felt out of place already being there. I didn't feel like a star. You feel what I'm saying. I didn't know how to feel

like a star because I'm up against this shit. You're up against real life. I'm up against real life. I didn't feel like a star, bro. So for Drake to tell me that right then, I didn't even know how to feel. It made me so fucking uncomfortable that he did that. You feel me, and that's probably why, like, our relationship ain't where it should be today because I didn't embrace him telling me that. I didn't know how to feel when he told me that shit. Bro, I swear to God, a nigga told me in front of

Baby Wayne Nikki g Robers that night. That night, back backstage, he said, YA don't know what this is because I'm in the corner. I ain't talking to nobody. I don't know what this is. Man, this is my favorite rapper. Man ain't nah, I fuck with Shorty and I ain't know what the thing. I still was nervous when I

went out on stage. You feel me, like, And I'm saying all that to say for any artist or anybody that's trying to do this shit like, embrace your in the stock, embrace your power because this shit could be taken from you any day. And I'm blessed that God didn't take this shit from me when I took it for granted, or when I didn't understand what it was. And that's why I'm here today. You know what I'm saying. So that shit crazy to me, Bro, It's crazy. Full

circle Nicky. I came out roll aloud with Nikki. You know what I'm saying, like full circle to this day. Me and Drake Cool. That's my brother, h I talk to him all the time. You know what I'm saying, Like I was, you be hooping together and shit, now you feel me. We go hang out and all this shit. You know. Like so it's just like a different hour that I have about myself because I'm mature and I'm a different person. Yeah, what would you say is the

main component for you to have the longevity? Because I mean, listen, man, we're talking going on ten years now, right, so like a lot of people, I mean, careers last a summer two years, you know, Like like I mean, we don't even gotta say names. We just think the top of your head list goes on so many artists that I'm like, damn, y'all had you had a hot year? And then you're like what happened? You know what I mean? Like what do you think is uh been pertinent to you staying relevant?

And and you know, for me, I think just from a fan, it's gross. Yeah. The growth musically, it's being myself, Yes, embracing my flaws. Bro, not feeling like I was supposed to be that nigga or I suppose you know, and you're not wearing like a rapper cost to me that I'm not wearing a rapper cost. I'm being myself. You know what I'm saying. At the end of the day, as before I mature and became this person, you would

look look at him, still look good. I'm doing all this ship and I'm like, how the fuck is this nigga doing better than me? And I know for a fact, I ain't a competitive person. I don't compel nobody, which is important. You know that is a flaw. That's a flaw. I never look at nobody like he's supposed to be where they at. You will look at a nigga and be like, I'm supposed to be where he at and then next year, where is he? And you still doing this?

I ain't never did this. I when you start looking over, I always did this and this and this and this and this because I always better on myself. I always believe in myself and I always been myself. Bro every every all through my career. I'm going through something personally, you know what I'm saying, whether it's adversity. Reddit is the music industry, whether it's fighting the case, whether it's

dealing with some shit at home. I just find a way to just be the best version of myself when I'm out here being g Herbal, because I'm not g Herbal. I'm Herbert, right. Ge Herbal is the basically the costume, but I don't put on a rapper costume. I'm not trying to be g Herbal because I am g Herbal. That's me automatically. I am that. But at the end of the day, I'm a man, bro, and that's what's important to me. So I always focused on being that

and just being the best man I could be. As as long as I'm the best man I could be, I'm always be the best rap I could be. That's shit easy, bro. I ain't no rap. I'm a solid nigga. You feel what I'm saying, and that's what's important to me, and that's what people gravitate to, you know what I'm saying. So a lot of time people didn't really catch on the rap. I ain't had no plaques and all this

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the end of the day. You can't let outside shit validate who you are. And unfortunately, like a lot of people, that's I mean, I've been I've been in that position in my life where I'm so worried about what everybody thought or I have to you, it's going to be in that position where you worry about what everybody think. But the thing that made me stop caring is it

was always because of the Internet. You feel what I'm saying, Like, the people that I deal with on the day to day where there's somebody I work with, some my first time means somebody, my mother, my girl, my kids, right, my girl, mother of family. Everybody loved me when they meet me. And I started to think, like, I mean, I'm a solid nigga. I ain't never really hear nobody really say nothing bad about me. Like in the streets, my name always been good US industry and the music industry.

As you know, it's fake as fuck. I don't know anybody who's ever said anything bad about it. My name good out here, bro, because I just focus on being a solid dude personally. My name good in the industry, my name good. So it's like I can't really care about what nobody said about me because I ain't perfect. I'm gonna fuck up, of course. So if I embraced my flaws and just try to be the best version

of myself, I'm gonna always be good. And that's why I never feel into like internet shit because my name's solid, bro. It always been solid no matter what I did, what I was in the streets, every day, in the industry, at home, my name always been solid. With my flaws, with every fuck up I ever heard in my life, my name still always remained solid. And that's what's important to me. That's all I really care about. That's important, man.

And I also think too, like you've done a good job of navigating the Internet era, which which was not necessarily present like it is now when you first got into your career. It definitely wasn't hell on all. The

Internet presence was never like what it is now. Like nobody never when I first started doing music, even though the Internet was Instagram, MySpace and all that, nobody never really felt comfortable walking up on those street niggas when they phone out or that's a no no, automatically like people not even scared like that I'm gonna do something to them, smack their phone out there. I never done it. I swept my whole career. Can't. Nobody never say I

smacked their phone out the head. I just embrace it, like damn you know, I could be sleep mad, having a bad day. I'm just like, damn you know, I either watch out or I'm gonna and break you feel me? That was never cool. It ain't never been cool to walk up on nobody with your phone. I'll be having my kids. I could have my brand new baby walking through the airport walk up and do like it's crazy. That's crazy to me, bro, and that's not cool. We

need to not normalize that shit. Bro. That get people their space at the end of the day, because we all human. How would you feel if you're a regular person and your kid just in your arms and they like the kids shoes whatever, or people negative they may think your kid looks I've had a crack a joke. I've had that happen rapping at the grocery store when I had my son was a baby and they be like I've had people try to be like, oh, your baby's so cute to touch. I don't touch my I

ain't with that. You feel what I'm saying, Like people will try to, like used to try to, like when my girl was pregnant, they used to always try to touch our stomach and I'll be don't do that. I don't know, I ain't with that. Are you the grandma? Are you the auntie? And he don't bring that ship you feel me? But people feel welcome enough to do that, and then I'm the bad guy. Oh her push me. I tried, that's my baby right there. I don't know what the fuck you into? I really do something to you.

You're trying to touch my girl's stomach while she's pregnant. You feel me. But at the end of the day, we all human, So you gotta understand that, bro, you gotta really understand where a nigga comes from when he does. I want to ask you this because I think, you know, one of the main components that kind of people when they think about early Chicago days. Not early Chicago in general, because you know, we can go back to like Twist and Common and all that shit, but like in terms

of the just the drill movement. You know, Chief Keeth obviously kicked the door down. I saw you talk about kind of his influence in what Charlamayne and said, and you're going to see Charlemagne this weekend. Shout out to my guy. I wonder. I know some people had felt a certain type of way about when Academics was doing the warre Inn Chirac shit. Around that time. You were probably a lot more present in some of that ship. Yeah. Was that something that you guys paid attention to or

was it something you thought added to the violence? Yeah, definitely added to the violence. And I got a one on one with academics too. We could talk about this, you know what I'm saying, Academics my brother, I'll fuck with him, you know what I'm saying. But what you thought Academics was from Chicago? Yeah, yeah, he I ain't from chicag bro. And he's speaking on this ship in a way where it's like Jersey got a hood, Jersey got the trenches, Jersey got rappers all this. You're not

speaking on this shit because you from that. These people really know you. I feel like, in my opinion, you know you're not gonna speak so much on what's going on in Jersey, even though Chicago had the bigger spotlight on him and it was something to talk about. But at the end of the day, you don't know how many people lost their lives outside of the Internet about some shit you talking about. You calling a nigga, You calling Recye the grim Reaper like a nigga. Want to

kill him just because you calling him that. You call a nigga the grim Reaper, Nigga the grim Reaper. You don't supposed to call no man the grim Reaper. You feel saying the grim Reaper is a representation of death, and you calling this man that they got a family, they got kids, they got a mother, they got sister that people got. But he was young. I get him that. I give him credit. He was just on the outside looking in and there was something to talk about and

it built his platform to this day. I'm not gonna knock him for that, but at the end of the day, a lot of that shit made a big difference in what's going on now. We didn't know who Academics was. We thought Academics was from Chicago because he knew so much. But that's somebody that was just in tune with what we're doing because we broadcasted it. So we gotta hold ourselves accountable in the music exactly we broadcasted this ship. So I'm gonna be a man and say, yeah, we

started it. For sure, we initiated it. But at the end of the day, we were just kids and this was our reality. We didn't never look at this shit like, oh, we put these guns on Internet, we're gonna get famous. It was just cameras were just cameras around videos and started rapping. We just embracing our life. Soon as that camera went down, we ain't put them guns in storage. Motherfuckers, was right. On the block with us and were protecting

our life. That's what we was up against. And people got to understand that, and a lot of people lost their life to that, And that's a lot of reasons why people react and behave the way they do. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I think I understand like them, uh, because I know vic vic vic menta like he was not. I mean, I know a lot of people who have, you know, negative connotations towards academics. Rightfully, so a lot

of people do. But I think at that time, I don't know if he understood the gravity of what he was doing, I would give him the I would give him the benefit to say he didn't understand what he was doing at that time. I'm not sure he ever knew he'd be on camera. Yeah, Like we know, academics is like a personality in hip hop as to where like then he was just the voice that was just you know, kind of narrating on camera. But yeah, nobody

knew how he looked when he was doing that. He didn't show his face, right, And I think that's one of the reasons why he didn't. He didn't want nobody know how he looked. He ain't want nobody know who he was because the shit he was doing. Bro, I ain't gonna lie, and you gotta I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna talk to him when we say that for real, Like you gotta really hold yourself accountable for what you've done and the same responsible for a lot of this shit,

the same way that we are as are. I think that's what important is the I think I think anybody who's a grown ass man, Look, man, if you were nineteen twenty making YouTube videos, you should at least own whatever to own him. I was nineteen twenty and I'm talking about the shit I'm up against, or eighteen seventeen when I wasn't talking about nothing, and if I want somebody to go outside and kill somebody, and even talking about some shit because I have just seen my best

friend get his fucking head blown up. It's crazy even just the influence of like those videos, like because now there's so many YouTube channels and their whole stick is talking over clips that we don't know what these people look like. We just know that they're covering whatever city's bullshit that's going on. Like it'd be hard for me to touch on it because it's so close to home. Of course, that's a sensitive subject. You feel what I'm saying, Like I lost a lot of people that I really love.

I mean, like you said, it's behind the streets, right, you feel me? What is your opinion on when you come from a place like Chicago, where a lot of conflict is rooted from a very real place. I feel like the last few years we've seen hip hop beef people who aren't from the same place, not even anyone specifically exactly, but people who aren't even from the same state, people who do not grow up around each other have serious beef. That's equal bloodshed, life being lost. Like, to me,

it's like a shame when I see that shit. It's like really and a lot of it is the Internet, the IG, the Twitter, all this shit, But like you know, I just feel like we got to figure out a way to try to nip that kind of shit in the butt. Like if someone's from the same place and they got's cool, it's not even cool. I'm not cool, understandable, but the rap beef shit, I'm like, man, especially if it's from people who come from a place where they

know what beef is. It's like, what's the point of like having like a real beef with another rapper who's not even from where you're from exactly. I feel like it's unnecessary in any way, you know what I'm saying. And that's why I try to like stay in my lane because I understand. I understand it, I get it. I get why people have differences and they think like, oh, I just react this way. And maybe sometimes they go straight to the Internet, which make it even more bigger

because they not from the same state. That's the only form of communication at that point. So it's like you making shit bigger than what it is instead of just getting on the phone. A lot of niggas avoid getting on the phone. A lot of niggas avoid being accountable for their actions. A lot of niggas scared to get on that phone and say, damn all, I bet this is what it is, this is a misunderstanding. Well, maybe we should link right here and we could settle it.

You know, a lot of niggas get on that Internet, and it's like and it shit could be something as simple as a phone call. Two niggas getting on the phone that don't nobody know, nobody, nobody even need to know the nature of the conversation. But when you go on the internet and you said something about this nigga, you don't know, it's a hundred other niggas that love him, you know what, probably not even on that, but a hundred other niggas that love him. Now you can't even

do a show in this city. You can't do this, you can't do that, And it become real beef when y'all ain't from the city and it ain't no blood shit, it becomes bloodshit over prize the Internet. And you know what, I think some people are scared to get on the phone because they're afraid of this internet shit on the other side of it filming in corner. But at the end of the day, it's like, if you confident as a man, if you on the phone saying some sucker shit,

that ain't that's your problem. If you're on the NSC nigga, I'm this and none of that, then you get on the phone and say some sucker ship you deserve to get recorded. But if you're on the phone being a man, that being solid. Yeah, it ain't even that serious. Bro. I feel like you did this, I did this. Fuck it, It's cool, bro. It ain't even no thing. I don't feel like less of a man because everybody's in the same cities. You end up in LA, you end up in Atlanta. You ain't like on New York for that,

you know what I'm saying. I want to have those allies with people. If I go to Atlanta, I need to be able to call somebody in Atlanta that I fuck with. If I'm strengded, not even got nothing to do with, no street shit. If I'm stranded, I need a it's good to go to this restaurant right here. No, it ain't, you know what I'm saying, La Saint Louis, New Orleans, wherever I'm at, Vice versa. Bro, you gotta build it, especially being an artist. It's like, ain't no

such thing as being on your own. I don't believe in that, Bro. I feel like we're all stronger together, period. So I don't believe in that rap this like that. They never raped this. The nigga from our city. I definitely ain't fro the be for the niggas from another city. What the fuck I'm doing that for? The more gangster shit is to get on the phone. Get on the phone, Get on the phone. That's the real gangster ship though. All the internet the gangster ship. Get on the phone,

talk to what's up? What's going on? Bro? What's the word? We're good, it's cool, it's cool. Or if it really is a difference, let's link up and solve it. Or if it's gonna whatever, it's gonna be, keep it off the internet. Let's do this amongst men. So at the end of the day, our family safe, our friends safe, our name safe, our brand, our career is safe. We could continue getting as much. Let's just talk about this

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you know, go on. You know who's George. That's George Clooney's side to Q. Yeah he sold it. He sold it, actually did he? Yeah? He sold it. Shit good fod cash out as he should. Yeah, yeah, as he should cash out. This album? You you did the two side. If it was fucking two thousand and six, it'd be a double disc, right, Yeah, so it's a double album. What was the motivation behind doing that? Because I don't

feel like we see that a lot anymore. Yeah, it took for me to really get out here and here for other people that it's like people haven't really been doing this shit. But my whole inspiration behind the double

album was bro. I put so much like time for into the music and what I'm trying to the message I'm trying to get across behind Survivors Mores, you know, like the shit that I'm talking about when the interviews is deep, I can't really talk about through my music, like right, you know what I'm saying rappers don't really do like and to lose and skits and shit no more. You know what I'm saying. But I really do want to get back to that. To be honest, I want

to get back to skits and shit. So when y'all start doing all that shit, man, don't be trying to

bite my sauce. You feel what I'm saying. But anyways, I feel the whole point of me doing that was to create that that that that atmosphere of the survivor side, the triumph side, you know what I'm saying, Like it's a it's triumph for me when I wake up and I'm able to get into all my cars, and you know what I'm saying, to be able to like Throughout my career, I never really blended with my peers musically, like I've been knowing Future. I've been fucking future future

and been on my on a the hood game. I didn't put up on Future on Seny third and Kingston or Nigga thirty feet away from my grandma house. That I'm saying, I can't even go right there. You feel what I'm saying. I didn't put up on the future right there before. He didn't have been in my hood. I've been fucking with future, you know, what I'm saying, Like I've been fucking with Meek saying, been having me and Kodak was on the Freshman cover together. This is

our first song ever doing together cover. I've been having a like interactions with off sets and hey Boogie, that's my brother. He been on been on two three of my albums. You fee what I'm saying. But I'm saying I all let to say like I never embraced my true rapper stardom or me being she HEARDing people fuck them. I know they fuck with me because I'm around them. I'm in the studio with these niggas building relationship. I never really told nobody to get on the song or

none of that. You know what I'm saying. But at the end of the day, I know they fucked me. I could have always like make a tell you throughout my career. He always like, bro, go get songs from these niggas. Do songs. I'm telling them like, yeah, shit, I was just in the Steward, Bro, what you was on today? I'm in the Steward Pluto. I was in Steward thug me with chilling like, wh I ain't no song. I'm like, shit, I ain't even asking for no song

to be honest, but you know what, that's me. That's also also like that's why people fuck with you because it's a genuine friendship. It's not something I'm just trying to fuck with niggas and vibe out because at the end of the day, I know I'm good. I'm building my shit for sure. For sure when it come to me building my own, I'm gonna do that. And I ain't never really ask nobody to help me do that,

you know what I'm saying. So for me to do that, the survivor side is really like a moment of triumph, Like I feel like now I'm able to do that because my thought process is different, Like sometimes I just want to be around niggas and get inspiration because I gotta go right back to the churches after this. Now that I'm living life a little differently, I felt like it's easy for me to interact with my peers a

little differently, you know what I'm saying. So that was the survivor side of it, just me and like embracing the fact that I am that nigga, I am g herbo, you feel I'm saying, I could get in the studio with the best of them, and I could hold my own weight or I could be around the best of them, and like, I'm really having my way for real. You feel what I'm saying. I got cribs in La Cars, I got all the shit to just you know what I'm saying talk about I never really talked about that shit.

You feel me. That's crazy that that's the first record you have a Kodak, Yeah, the Ya Kodak And we was Freshman Covers on the Freshman cover together and I fuck with Kodak. Shout out to bro. You feel what I'm saying, Like when we really like connected on some man and man shit, I fuck with him. He had good nigga, you know. And you know, the remorse side of it is me understanding everything that I come from.

The remorse side of knowing, like that's the reason that the remorse side is the reason why I never really embraced going to hang with other artists. So I never flexed the fact that I always hit a nice ass condo downtown. I always had jury, I always had money.

I was always able to afford the shit. I didn't really brag about it because it's people that I really care about that can't afford their luxury, and I was thinking for them and for a long time, but at the end of the day, I realized I gotta think for myself, and I could never help anybody unless I think for myself. Because I'm the leader, I'm the I'm the one that's finna go out and go get all the money and make this shit bigger than life. So

I gotta think for myself. And sometimes it sounds selfish, but it's not, because I know I'm not a selfish person. I know for a fact I'm gonna always look out for my people, but I gotta think for myself first. And that's the remorse I understanding that, Damn I wasted so much time thinking about the wrong shit when I really should have just been thinking about myself the whole time, and this shit would have probably been ten times bigger this day. You feel me, And that's Survivors of Morse.

That's why I did a double side of album because everything I lost along the way, I always been able to talk about it. I always talked about it, but people don't see like I done. Had a conversation with my Man's my homie Love when he from New Orleans. He like, Bro, you don't show shit like you don't show when you buy new cars. You don't show when you buy jury, you don't show when you got money on you. You don't show none of that because it don't excite me. It ain't nothing that I feel like

I need to show. It ain't for nobody to see unless I'm finna show you how to get this shit. Yeah, I mean it's not. I think that's I think that's a positive that that you don't positive. I just think like that. But at the end of the day, I feel like I never did that because I always feel like if you don't think I got this ship, you stupid. You don't think I'm really having my way out here, You really fucking dumb. I gotta put it in your face for real. I think that's why your ain't no

point of me putting this in your face. You know what I'm saying. I could, you know, but I don't get nothing from it, So it's like, who am I doing it for me? All you get it don't satisfy me. Certain people would really satisfied, like, yeah, I gotta put in to make me feel good as a validation ship that ship don't make me feel good. It's a validation, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, that's the vivals of Morse for me, you know, to be able to be on both sides of the playing field. Bro,

I still got people who I love that's in the trenches. Bro, my grandma died in the trenches. I could have been moved her. My grandma was into that type of ship. My grandma could have been living in whatever the funk she wanted through. I would have moved her before my mama. I make my mama live my grandma. You feel me together exactly. But my grandma wouldn't known that. She been told me before I ever hear any money. She said, I'm dying on Kingston. She meant that ship. She's I'm

dying right here on this block. I'm not moving. You feel me. And I got aunt ties and all type of cousins and shit that's still in the trenches that don't want that though. They want to get out. So them the people who I care about, my friends and shit like that. You know what I'm saying. But it's just it's hard being on both you know, being on

both sides of the field. Where you like you're a leader here being the leader there, you know what I'm saying, where it's like I'm the leader of my household, I'm the leader of everybody that really depends on me, and not even the leader like in the trenches of the streets, I'm the leader because I'm the vessel, the person that they looking at, like, damn, he could really change our situation, you feel me, But I can only I feel the more I elevated, the more I like learn life, I

could only provide somebody opportunity. Talk about the school that you own, Yeah, because I think that's dope. Over to school. I partner, you know, me and my partners. We got a school. It's in Chicago, right, yeah, on the South side, on the South side of Chicago, like in the hard you feel I'm saying, And that was just something that you know, I was like, I was hands on, don't get me wrong, but it was just like a good idea. Then they're like, all right, bet investing this ship. You

feel what I'm saying, And we got the school. But it was important to me because I come from youth centers. I come from you know, Sandy six and Phillips c why I see you know my auntie, my aunt, my aunt Micheline, she enrolled me in the center when I was a kid, to just get me out of trouble, get you the way on Live j T. That was like a father figure for me growing up. And he died like the worst of the worst kids of the neighborhood.

Like not worse, but like we wasn't bad kids. We was just trouble kids who was in poverty and under certain circumstances. We wasn't bad kids, bro. If we would have stayed in that ship and we had somebody like myself, a Dereck Rose or Kanye or somebody who who whoever the fuck it could have been, to come right here and show us like hell no, we finna get y'all the resources to be great. I guarantee you a lot of us would have came out millionaires. By the way,

this lawyer's artists, NBA players. When that shit got tooken away from us, a lot of us died, a lot of us went to jail, a lot of us just turned to the streets. You feel I'm saying so I believe in that my first time ever going to an NBA game ever going out of this fucking to some account, was through that center. So that's why I invested in the school to turn that into that for the positive, something place for people to get out of the streets and to find a trade. Like whether we're gonna put

a studio in there. We're gonna have arts in there, culinary in there, We're gonna have a fucking what's the colding computer code? It's important, videoography, whatever you want to do. I don't care if we don't even got a room for whatever you want to do. If you it's a practical trade, We're gonna put the practical trade resource engineering, because not everybody being the rapper and you're not gonna come.

We're not gonna come in for our call and say, hey man, I need you to come teach these kids. Whether I pay you or where you're doing off the love niggas fuck with me. Somebody gonna come and show these something tangible. Like I'm in the hood all the time. I don't brag on it on record, I'm in Chicago, but I'm there all the time, and I'll let people see me. I'll let kids see me because I'm something that they look at as an influenceer role model. But

they don't have to look from on the internet. They don't got to see me bad and be like, damn, I want a car. Fuck, I don't even know how to get this shit. I'm gonna rob you feel me. No, you don't gotta do that. I'm gonna show you how to get this ship and they I'll show you how to make cars, build cars, whatever you want to do. I'm gonna put right here for you so you can have your innocence, so you could keep your charisma, so you could build your talent, build a trade and be

the best you you could be. That's what's important for me because if it wasn't for rap, if it wasn't for me just being chosen by God, I'd be dead on jail. Bro. God is the reason why I'm here right now. We got to think about too, like you know, not just in bad neighborhoods, but just period. Like I think like trade schools got to be more prevalent because like, think about it, like, bro, Bro, first of all, you go to college a deep subject, but I can talk about it, talk about it. I feel it in my

chest when not talking. Just think about this, like if you go to college for some bullshit degree that you end up racking up a quarter a million dollars in a student dead and then you're making eighty grand a year entry level. It's like, wodn't like what did you do? Isn't the more practical thing to be? Like, I want to be a graphic designer. I want to be an electrician.

I want like these are things that like you know, are like, don't take as much band with, don't put you in a financially fucked place, and like not everyone's built for college. We'd be pushing this college shit because it's a big business not and it's like the certain it's like we're having somebody like myself or having the resources where you want to be electrician, you want to be uh, somebody had their own construct barber, a constructor contract or whatever. You could be a barber that really

but you you build your so much? Now you are a million dollar Yeah now you onw ten't for just learning how to capitalize off this ship? Bro. By the time you thirty five, you a million dollar nigga. You got twenty barber shops. Yep, I'm twenty seven years old. If I would have did anything else the same way that I would have been able to chase rap and chase my dreams and just be better and better and better and better every year. I would have been a

million that regardless, because I got this got it in you. Yeah, you've been a millionaire. Whatever the fuck I did. You feel what I'm saying. But now I choose this, I'm gonna be a billionaire. I'm one hundred million out this shit. Yeah, man, So with me being that, I could spread it. I could make ten fifteen millionaires off the muscle. Just hunh. You had this shit. It ain't gonna take nothing from me. I'm already good. I promise I'm good. I Aint gonna

never have to do shit. My kids ain't gonna never have to do shit. I ain't gonna never have to go back to the hood. Nothing right now. If I stop sharing, and I think it's why I stopped rapping the mom I'm gonna be good. I promise I'm gonna be great, my kids gonna be great, everybody gonna be great. I think it's a why would stop. Yeah, it's important to this. I can help y'all all get this ship. Yeah, I was gonna say most people don't. Most people don't

have that mind state. They don't want to share the wealth. You know what I mean. The fact you're passionate about that is it is great because you know, if more people are passionate about that, like you said, imagine if there was thirty of you in Chicago instead of just you or that's you and whoever chances don't talk about it you feel, I'm saying because it can be well who else? I know there are other artists in Chicago

that are helping Chance do a lot of shit. Dirt do a lot of shit behind the scene, Polo do a lot of shit. You found. I'm saying, but it need to be broadcasting. We need to come together and do this ship. See that's the kind of shit that should make blog. We should do some shit. Fuck it like I'm gonna say it here. We should do a show, a big ass show me Dirt, Chance, Polo, fucking Baby Keith,

everybody come back to the United States. Do a big ass show and give all the proceeds to LORI Life Foot and get that ship to all the schools, get that ship to the mayor and whatever we need to do it. I'm curious, how do we feel about Lori life. I love Lorid life. You probably have a real relationship with her. I do. I feel like if for people who aren't from Chicago or don't pay attention to like what actually is going on there, we just see like memes and ship and like, you know, I think the

memes is just like something funny. But I've literally never heard anybody say anything like she's solid. Yeah, she's solid in the city. She's solid. She don't do no funck shit, you know what I'm saying. Excuse my language. She don't do nothing, nothing that is not beneficial to her people.

And I love her for that. Well, I want to, because I feel like there's like the wrong narrative about her sometimes now, she don't do nothing that's not beneficial to her people or to the city of Chicago in general. You feel I'm saying, it ain't just about the trenches. She looking out for the city of Chicago, and it's beneficial on all ends. And that's very poverty struck neighborhood, the rich neighbor it's such a it's such a company,

the entrepreneurs. It's a very complicated city. To overlook, it's a very complicated city. You gotta imagine if you go to the North Side, what she they own to ask about Konjack is this and it's small at ship and it's like she can't do nothing about that. When they come to the job, we got the most influenced. Ain't

nobody in a fucking trick. It's gonna listen to Lory And even if they put like my thing is is like you know, a lot of people are like, well, you know, we always think of Chicago as like the whenever gun violence gets discussed, Chicago always gets brought up automatically, and it's like, I don't think like you'll see conservative politicians always use Chicago as like a fuck you to

the left, like what about Chicago? And I think it's very like irresponsible because what they don't understand the reality of certain areas of this country, not just Chicago, but like putting more police on the South side of Chicago's

not going to do anything. It's not It's going to make everything even more because at the end of the day, the police and I give I'm gonna give you credit on the outside looking in, you only looking at trying your job to try to make this ship better, which you don't fucking know how is with using force and a lot of these police aren't You're not from the neighborhood. You don't know these fucking kids from a candapaign. You're looking at them like they'll kill me immediately. Just how

you thinking the police all kill you? They looking like he'll kill me because they're objectives to get home to their kids. Get home. The main objective is getting home. No matter what the fuck you do. The main objective is getting home. That's the name of the game. You feel what I'm saying, and I understand that. So it's like with understanding that you gotta think. With all the kids and the niggas that's carrying guns and doing all this wild shit, you gotta compare it to something simple

like basketball. You feel me like when you a real elite athlete, you got that dog in you. When I get on that hardwood, I'm killing anybody. Don't give a fuck if you my favorite player. That's why I love John Morit. I don't give a fuck if you my favorite. If you get in front of me, well I'm trying to go. I want to go to the championship. That's the nigga. Getting home is the championship in the trenches, nigga, I'm gonna do whatever necessary. It's the championship of the trenchers,

and it's also the championship of being a cop. I'm just saying, the cops in the trenches, that's your name of the game. The cops is in the trenches with us, that's the name of the game. I'm trying to win the championship. I gotta get home. So we're saying that. I'm saying, niggas, who all in when you're doing all this And I'm talking from the outside looking in, But I understand when niggas up against this shit and they carrying guns and they doing all this wild shit and

all this killing, you know what. They trying to get to the championship. They trying to eliminate the competition to get home. That's why all the killing going on. Niggas want to get home, Bro. They don't want to carry them fucking guns. You' thinking they're going to end up in the county. You're thinking you want to go to jail. You're thinking that you want to die. Don't nobody want that. They want to live like me. Nigga want to live

like me. How all the shit that I got going on, So I'm gonna show you how to live like me. Do you think Snoop did this in La where he had met with the sheriff, the LA County Sheriff, to try to help kind of bridge the gap between like maybe some of the misunderstandings between the police and the community. And obviously it's a very rough place when the cops

ain't from the community. You know you. I always feel like when there's community policing where it's like, yo, this is where I'm from, I live, I grew up here, whatever, there's a lot more understanding, there's a lot more compassion. Would that ever be something you'd be interested in doing, like maybe trying to help assist like the police, not assist them to like arrest people, but a system understanding. Hell yeah, yeah that's important to me, bro, because we

need police. If something happened to my mama, shave and the car on nobody but the fucking police. We need police, bro. We need responsible police, police responsible belie. We need police that's in the city that understand. We know your name, nigga, your mama live right here, she here, she good, Like That's how it used to be and they could get to that because I'm I come from a foundation. Bro. I used to I listen to my old my mama's stories, my daddy stories. Oh here stories were like the whole

neighbor I used to when I was growing up. They say, the whole neighborhood, coul whoop your ass. You did something the neighbor being your ass right here. You finna get your ass beat right here in front of this house for doing something I got. I tell you neighbors, know your mama and try to come touch on these kids. They ain't gonna get your ass shot. It was back then, My mama and them said, the neighbors used to be able to beat they ass until yeah, he did this,

told the mama. She thank you, and then you're getting your ass used to get to guarantee you. Somebody off the neighborhood that know your mama, go try to run up on the little able to get it. Man. If they don't, they gonna beat your ass. They need to get back to that. You need to govern our neighborhood, control our neighborhood, police our neighborhood, secure our neighborhoods. That's the only way it's gonna be safe for us because at the end of the day, were the only neighborhood

that don't do it. The white neighborhoods do it. The Irish, the Jewish or whatever, the Arab every all these communities do it. You know what I'm saying, And I admire that. It's no way that I could ever be a racist because I admire the way that people stick together. We need that, you feel, I'm saying, we need it for ourselves. I could never even think about another culture and how they look at us, because they look at us like y'all crazy as hell. Y'all don't give a fuck about

each other. How the fuck we gonna care about y'all? It's impossible. We gotta care about each other first. Ain't nobody gonna give a fuck about us. We don't care about each other, Why should they? I mean, I ain't gonna give a fuck about the nigga that don't care about itself. Like I said, I know, you can't help everybody. So if I'm trying to do this in a nigga ain't even trying to help itself and get no money, what the fuck I'm gonna still try to give you

some money for as a as a black man. That's how we think. So how the fuck you think somebody on the outside, Look at what the fuck I'm helping them forward? They ain't doing nothing but killing each other. It's the same thing, bro. Universal law is the same no matter how you look at it. Bro, we gotta think about universal law and principle. That's the only way we're gonna get better. Yeah, man, I mean I think a lot of people in your position it should preach that. Yeah.

But I Bro, I just I just grew. Bro. I'm just a grown man. I look at life totally different, bro, because I got shit that I care. But you got children, Hey, man, I feel like once you have kids, man, you take that father ship here every series. Bro, I can't I can't lose. I can't lose in no way, I can't lose, right, you gotta. I'm assuming Conway's on the the pain version of the b sad because I know Conway's got that pain,

you know, that way to be sad. You know, Conway's one of one of my favorite rappers in the world. And you know Bennie like the Poppet you found, Yeah, he's like the Benny's like the pop star Griselda. Benny liked the poppy ship. Yeah, Conways like the pain. You know what I'm saying. It came perfect, bro, I told I told me, I said, no, I need both of them on that. The fact you got me on the A side, Conway on the B side, shit crazy, nah nah.

Shout out to both of them, like how in tuned have you been with what Griselda is doing with both with both of those guys. Always been in tune from the beginning. You feel I'm a fan of Bennie Conway gone. Yeah, I'm a fan of Griselda period. You know what I'm saying. So, Bennie, that's my brother. Me and Bennie been knowing each other since twenty fourteen. Don't even know that. I say it all the time. People don't even know. Go back and look. Me and Bennie got songs from twenty fourteen. I didn't

been to Buffalo fuck with him in his hood. Yeah, I've been all those guys I'm saying. So, Conway always been a fan of it, And I'm just telling him me, like, man, I gotta do what you feel me Like I'm in the traffic when I get in traffic. I'm playing that ship, Bro, I'm playing Bennie Shit, I'm playing Conway shit. Like you feel what I'm saying. But it was certain times, you know, you go through some shiit mentally only hit one song.

Yeah you feel me like Conway when he when he came to God the album my intro fulast song every Day a fucking classic. I used to listen to that song, the intro. That's the one with Dave's loaf right, no God, Oh yeah, Dave's loaf is tracked too. I king h Nigga. Used to get in the car and listen to that song every day as soon as I got in the car. It's a classic album, nigga. I know That's what I'm telling you. I listened to that Ship every single day

when I got in the car. Bro so good. Yeah, some of the bars on that album, just some of the ship he was saying. Man, shit different. It's Conways in my opinion, like when it comes to just like lines that you're just like like I just feel it in my front na like Tupac had that, Like Conway's got that where you're just like fuck like I got gumps bumps because I felt you on that shit. No bullshit, Man, that nigga different, bro. I love that nigga. He's different

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back to the interview. Yeah, I think, I mean, man, obviously, one of the craziest things that happen in a long time with the rap lyrics. Shit California just passed the law that that's great. They can't use it. That's great. Yeah. Is that something that like, at this point in time in your career, you think about what you say on records because it could be misperceived. I don't. I don't even think about how people miss misperceived me or miss

I'm here for what I'm here for. I feel like God put me here to do what I'm meant to do in life, and I don't think about it. Bro, I'm gonna be honest, I'm gonna be transparent, I'm gonna be myself and at the end of the day, all I ever did was try to help people. So it is what it is. I don't even think too much about it. I promise talk to like thugs character because everybody I know just says he's just the greatest guy.

He's the most generous guy, nigga, the most solid nigga, nigga, one of the most solid niggas you're gonna ever meet in life. You feel what I'm saying, it's crazy, like he just so smart. I heard that nigga, like people would think like this is one of the things that really stood out to me about the like not fuck. The fact that he had genuine nigga, everybody that no thug know that everybody that no thug. No, he cared

about everybody around him. Just how smart he is musically and how you try to help that nigga told me said, nigga think like, oh what I'm doing this nigga tripping? You know, weirdship. But who the fuck gonna be the Rick James or this generation? He said that. I said, damn, sl that's you, that nigga. You feund I'm saying, like being free the Prince, he said, both of them, He said, Prince Aninrick James, like, who's there three thousand of this?

Yet all the bitches A gagster, you feel what I'm saying. A nigga that don't. By gagster, what I mean is stand on tin and stand on what you believe in and power to people around you, and and be one hundred percent completely yourself no matter what nobody saying. Ain't nobody gonna Ain't nobody gonna ever walk up the thug and say I don't like how you did this? A no, I mean, when I stand on all ten, you feel

what I'm saying. So What I mean by that is when he said that, bro, it threw me out and it gave me a whole another different like outlook on him, Like, no, this nigga, He's right, it is a different nigga. He's serious. This is the type of nigga that's like gonna change generations. You know what I'm saying. Slam just a genuine nigga. And at every song I got with him, he told me to get on. I promise the song I put out on Swervo, the ship we got on the album

of this ship. I ain't never sent Thug a record ever. He always like, huh, jump on this. You can have it. He told you can have this ship. It's crazy. Nobody never did no ship like that. We had Snapdog on the show and he was like, yeah, I've been hanging out with Thug the last couple of years and he noticed how the glasses all right squint. Yeah. Yeah. No, I was with him when he did that. When I was he was all together in the studio, he snapped.

He snapped when he got his ass surgery. The next day, Doug was like, Yah, yeah, that's crazy. You feel I'm saying, that's so crazy. We was together. I literally we was in the studio together. That was around the same time we did Brief Slowness on that How crazy he sent Snapped to go get his eye surgery because he saw him squinting. That's a great nigga, bro, It's not no nigga. Nobody's doing that. Who the fuck Finna see you squint and say, man, you good? You need Nigga paid for

his eye surgery. Bro. I swear to god, he was in the studio. We was all together. Me and Snap did a song that day, and me and Thug did a song that day, and the next morning, Snapped when he got his eye surgery, Nigga was there and Thug covered it. I was there. That shit's so crazy, and I'm just like, Yo, that's some high character shit, a nigga solid that dude's not signed to him, you know what I mean. It's just a right nigga. Huh what you need? You good? You feel what I'm saying, Like,

that's real, bro, that's some real nigga. Bro. You feel me? Like even watching the untrapped shit with Baby that she ain't no game, bro, that nigga get him whatever he gave baby, whatever the fuck he wanted to go rap. You feel me the same. That's just being a good hearted nigga. You feel I'm saying, if you able to do it, it ain't hurting him. You think that shit don't hurt thug to go get a nigga this or get a nigga some shine. You feel I'm saying that,

don't you know? And I feel like as a people, that's why we're supposed to be even more adamant and advocate about making sure that that man and his kids is protected by all cults. Whatever it is. You feel, I'm saying, he is whatever, while he whatever, whatever happens happens, he's making sure he good and straight by any means, you feel what I'm saying. And like I talked to like Dolly, his sister, and she's like that, yeah, whatever, slamy good. You fee what I'm saying. Shit like that.

But at the end of the day, and I understand that they're not gonna let nobody really ind for real, you know what I'm saying, because so serious situation. Yeah, you just gotta really pray to he overcome that shit and just embrace it. Whatever by any means, anything that anybody ever called me on behalf of the Gun or any nigga fuck with, I promise you I'm hands on immediately you could call me in whatever, I'm gonna make a way to do it because I understand it, you

feel what I'm saying. Whatever, any nigga fuck with, whether it's somebody this big or this big, I promise if it's anything I could do to help, I'm gonna do it. You mentioned a little Baby documentary. Would you ever let someone kind of tell your story that way? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

you don't already already want to do something like that. Well, you know what I was thinking was like we think of a fifty and like kind of how he's had power and he's at BMF and like, I mean, obviously Showtime has a shyrack show, But I feel like somebody in your position, Dirk's position, somebody like that, should like

take it upon themselves to do it. They said to tell that story by it, because you know what's gonna happen is in like five years or ten years when they were gonna wake up and on Netflix, there is gonna be a fucking show that's based It's gonna be like the wire of Chicago, and it's gonna be someone else taking advantage are situation. Let nobody take advantage of our story. Someone's gonna try to do it, dude, nobody's gonna tell our narrative because we already on it. You

know what I'm saying. It's gonna be too we already on it. I think I tell my story for me. I don't even mean yours. I just mean like anybody the city of Chicago. I'm telling you. That's why unity is so important, because at the end of the day, you gotta think about it, like I could tell stories about Sosa from my own prospective, from my own point of view. Dirt could tell stories about me. I could tell stories about Dirk, I could tell stories about Polo.

He could tell stories. You knowe what I'm saying. So we got to come together and just build the crib that way, Just build the crib together unity. Why would we let anybody else or while we do it separately, when at the end of the day, this shit could at long, this little shit that we just coming together for two three months could feed one hundred families. Some shit we just putting together and like that together though, Yeah, together,

that's important. Unity is what I'm preaching. That's the most important. Shit. That's that's big from a city that is known to not have a lot of that exactly. Yeah, what is uh for you? You just spent all those artist shouts of Polo G shot out to Dirk. Would you guys ever do like a fucking crazy tour? I a would love it. We've been all like people already got it in their head. I'm sure every last person that I named and't thought about it, you feel I'm saying, But

we just got to put it into perspective. You know what I'm saying, ain't no and you know something that I learned, Like I was preaching that when I was a kid, like in the streets, like ain't no big ass a little use. I always remember that ain't no big ass or a little use. You gotta remember that no big ass or a little use. You feel what I'm saying. It's like we all equal, we all. I don't look at myself above nobody. You know what I'm saying, What dig make me bigger than you? Money don't make

you bigger than me. You know what I'm saying, Like, at the end of the day, we all have things that we could learn from you know what I'm saying within each other? You feel me? So once you look at life like that, no big ass, a little use, it'll make you like all I bet we could put shit together. Have you uh taken it upon yourself at all to be a big homie than any of the young artists coming up? And because I mean, I'm sure that there's a artist that you've seen making mistakes that

maybe you've made it in past. Yeah, I don't mind like talking about like my mistakes that I made or like you know what I'm saying, shit that I've been through to I could try to help other artists, you know what I'm saying, come from under and I just I feel like my my position and this shit is really just trying to just light another candle. If I could do anything to just make your shit bigger, if I could give you a verse, a look or anything pop out on the shit you're definitely getting you out.

I'm gonna do that. You feel I'm saying it don't make me no, never, man, I don't give a fuck. I don't even gott to know you personally. I could just know somebody that manage you. I can know your cousin and ah, y'all fuck with you. I see you popping up on the albums up like I loved when I saw you on Mazzi's album. Like there's certain like shit, Ozzi my brother. I'm saying. People don't know that. I'm gonna always say. I'm always pre model my help the MASI.

You fee what I'm saying, free broke, that's my brother. I feel. I always hear love from Mazzi since the beginning. I spent weeks in Sacramento when niggas just telling me like, yeah, this nigga ain't Mazzi. This is like twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen. You feel me before all of this shit, before I was even as b You feel what I'm saying, so honestly, that's my brother. I'm always I'm gonna always show a little to any nigga that I can, no matter who

it is. Bro I got tazed with niggas from this city. That city is city because I just did solid shit you feel I'm saying, and I don't even use it. I probably might get to a nigga city don't even call and be like, oh, what's up, let's link because I'm thinking about so much shit. I got so much going on, I don't even get a chance to really tap in. But I'm already tapped in because I did some solid shit. You feel me? The new album I Fish Go run that ship up? Is there? What else

is on the way for you? More Man, Yes, Survivors and more ten to seven Man b side ten ten. I'm excited for everything new artists on the way. And people don't really know how I said it, Like me and Sis have already been working on Big Swerve while we're working on Survivors and more so Wow coming. I'm in mold, bro. I'm not letting up. I ain't gonna lie how I'm feeling right now. I'm not really taking the foot off the gas right now. What is your

like label situation? Are you kind of like I'm still independent? I was about to say, you're independent for people staying entertainment Republican for people who don't know you're like, you're independent. I'm independent, fully, yeah, independent a lot of people. I don't think a lot of people realize that because you do a lot of shit that you know, people like, yo, he's got to be no, I'm independent, man, you know Weven built this shit from the ground up, you know,

and that's the importance of it. I did all the hard shit, bro. I ain't taking no shortcuts. Bro, I ain't got no big looks. And I need this album right now while I'm already big gee Herbo outside. Nigga, I've been outside for two years, right. I was on side on the phone with Sizzle ever since my little brother died. My little brother died January twenty eighth, twenty and twenty one, right right, Greg did in twenty one January twenty eight. So from there until now, I've been

outside thugging. I've just been outside just doing me and I feel like that's what's building that. But guess what, that's trauma that I've been dealing with. I ain't go outside, but come, I need to turn my shit up, Nigga. I was outside of just just to try to feel and just try to get over the ship, get over the grief I lost. My little brother. Nigga was everything

to me, you feel what I'm saying. So to be able to like be why I am now and be independent and everything just makes sense with me because I bet on myself no matter what I'm going through the hardest, toughest shit. What I'm trying to say is, I ain't take no shortcuts, I ain't take no easy roles or none of this shit. Nigga, I built this ship from the ground up. Fan by fan, fan by fan. Nigga, I built this shit from the ground up, and I don't even pop it like that. I don't even pop

my ship. But at the end of the day, it is what it is. Niggas ain't done what I done. I ain't had no big looks, I ain't had no major label push, I ain't had nothing. Every partnership I built, every relationship, I built every feature I got, every song, I did, every two idea. Nigga, I did the roughest, toughest Nigga. I built this ship from the ground up, and can't nobody take that from me. So I deserve

everything that I'm coming that's coming to me. Do you feel like somebody who's taking that path that is extremely the hard path, the long way right? Do you feel like when you see like artists talking about they're black ball, do you feel like that's a real thing. I feel like it is a real thing, but it's not you

feel me. I feel like when artists say they blackball, it's about accountability, nigga, you blackball yourself at the end of the day, you feel what I'm saying, it's about certain things you've done, or certain things you may have said, or ways you may have done it. But at the end of the day, you're not wrong for that. You're not wrong for being yourself. This is an industry full of reasons why niggas can't be theirself. It's a fake ass industry. It's a bullshit industry. It's an industry full

of niggas that's afraid to be theyself. So at the end of the day, when you feel like you blackball, you may be. But at the end of the day, nigga, even if you are, I'll promise you it's always right at the end of the tunnel, real nigga's gonna always win. So if you're a real nigga, just be yourself and do the next best thing. You feel what I'm saying,

like black all, it is real, It's true. But at the end of the day, but they can only so much, so much because the Internet is the Yeah, the Internet is just so when you try to build and bet on yourself, and do the next best thing. You feel what I'm saying, that's the that's the thing. That's why I don't believe in the black ball because the Internet

is so powerful. It's so powerful and if the Internet came black ball you, if they fuck with you, if the industry black ballue in the Internet fuck with you, You're gonna still win. That's why young Boy still win it period. You feel me, people gotta fuck with you, and being young boy is the most anti industry, the most anti industry nigga ever you feel, I'm saying, you gotta give a nigga they credit. You know what I'm saying. I saw, Yeah, I saw. That's what I mean. Did

you see what Russ just said. Russ pretty much was like, you know, it's not as long as the Internet is alive and you have fans, you have fans, you can't

you can't be black ball. It's impossible, bro, you feel I'm saying, So people have to, like you said, people to take accountability, to take accountability and just say all right, bet I fuck in the mirror, the mirror and say all right, bet let me build even if you don't apologize on the internet, let me just think about myself right now, build this ship back up organically front of mud, because if you're a hustler or a street nigga, you know you're gonna go down to zero. Get yourself back up.

You gotta understand that's the name of the game. Don't take this ship personal, nigga. When you take a loss, don't blame the labels, don't blame nobody, mirror I fucked up. Let me get this ship right, point blank, period. That's just what it is. That humility is missing, man. This is what it is. Accountability and humility, two trades every

grown man should have. And I know that, and I understand that because I built this ship from the ground and niggas when niggas was over here betting on that, they like, I'm betting on this and then when that sh it ain't work, now nigga back betting on me. But you wasn't betting on me. Then I always betting on myself, so you could never blackball me. I could never take it personal. I'm not gonna look at you like, oh you a fuck nigga. You was fucking him two

years ago. Now you fuck with me, all right, bet appreciate you for fuck with me, fuck with you too. Yep, That's where I'm at. I don't cap out none of this ship, bro. Take that ship personal. Bro. Well, listen, the album is out. By the time this drops, the album will be out, or it'll be coming out the next day. Man, be sad. Listen, man, I'm super proud of you. You're killing it. Appreciate it. I cannot wait

to hear this album. Yeah, and I ain't gonna lie like the urs, just like how I'm feeling right now. It just make me like it make me think about shit different. I'm a pop it different. I'm gonna be humble different, I'm gonna be cocky different, like everything is. I feel like it's just the next level for me in life. You know what I'm saying. I'm just grateful to be leveling up on all levels. I'm just grateful career wise, mentality wise. Now we just gotta get you

some mushrooms. Nah, for sure, I'm gonna fuck with it, but I don't fuck with it. Yeah, there it is, man. G Herbo Fire