#217 - 38 Spesh

right now. Yes, Iam, welcome man, It's good to see you, bro. First of all, I just want to salute you. Man. I've been a fan for a long time. You've definitely been grinding over a decade. I feel like, definitely, what are we talking fifteen years now? About fifteen? Because what year did you have to go sit down? Was that like damn that was two thousand and nine and some shit? Yeah?

Yeah yeah yeah. Was it hard when you because like I feel like you were buzzing and obviously to go sit down that was horrible, man, Hell yeah, it was fucking hard. Do you almost feel like there was like was there was there a something positive you could took out of there, like maybe you weren't ready for the for the shine that was coming at the time. It was. Yeah, looking back now, definitely I had a lot more living to do, you know what I mean, a lot of

more things to experience. I had to get more of an understanding of business. I realized I ain't want to come in the game that way. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I didn't want to be that kind of artist. You know. I wanted to come into the game a certain kind of way, which was going to take a certain kind of route, certain type of time. So look, I didn't know that at the beginning. You know. I wanted to get right to where I was going right

then and there skip the steps. Yeah, but the steps you gotta do ship to make sure that you, you know, is solid when you get there. Yep. So did you feel like, because I feel like sometimes artists make a mistake when they're kind of like one foot in, one foot out on the rap shit, where it's like, did that force you to kind of really focus on music more, take it a lot more serious when you got out of course, Like I had to make a conscious decision

and ship, Like what did I want to do? And uh, prior to me making that decision, I always gave most of my energy to the streets as opposed to music. You know, even like the titles of your early projects were like right, it was all you know, out on, out on bail and custody. Yeah, right ship like that thirty eight Laws of Powder. But yeah, I'm high as fuck.

What was the question? I was just I was just saying, like, you know, obviously a lot of artists coming into the game and they have one foot in, one for out, Like I feel like sometimes you have a humbling experience like getting locked up, where you know it might maybe kind of reprioritize how you see things. Yeah, of course, man see it like a lot of a lot of people I could cuss around, Yeah of course. So a lot of motherfuckers is running around taking extreme resk and

shit like that because they never suffered any consequences. You know, the younger you are, the more wilder you are moven reckless because you know, you really ain't experienced any consequences. And shit me, I'm a person that experienced consequences at the consequence, which makes me appreciate not halving that face consequences, you know what I'm saying. So until you experience those consequences,

you're not going to have that same appreciation level. So you know, I definitely have a high appreciation level from suffering from those consequences, you know what I'm saying. And I had to make a conscious decision, like I was saying, to either take music one hundred and ten percent and give it all and lead out of it shit alone, which was a very hard decision because I wasn't in the best position financially, right, and that easy money is the easy money, right, Yeah, And what you know is

what you know. Yeah, And that's what the sacrifice come in, you know. And I made those sacrifices, and it was the best thing that I best decision I made for my life, you know what I'm saying. I made it just by having faith, not really having a complete understanding on how I was gonna capitalize a liquid eate. But I knew the upside potential as opposed to the upside of potential of the streets. Right, the potential is like short term game, but the longside, the long term shit

is jail, death, incarceration. We know the results from that right now, it's not you know, and you know, the short term payoff is great. Yeah, of course, of course, you know what I'm saying. But you know that other life, meaning like the music and the music money, just seemed a little more intriguing. And it's and it's not. There's

no there's really no one way to do it. And I feel like you've done a great job of carving your own way of making like I feel like most artists look at the music industry as Okay, I'm gonna get in advance, I'm gonna put out music and i'm gonna tour. I'm gonna go do clubs, I'm gonna do shows, as opposed to really turning over every rock if you have a core fan base, that's there's ways to monetize that.

It really is. And shit, that's what see, if I was still in the streets, I wanted to magnify those opportunities by me not being in the streets. I've really seen that and noticed it. So it left up when I was in the streets and relying on other areas. You know, it's easy to leave rocks unturned, you know what I'm saying. So it's like Okay, let me go in and figure out how to make some money in this area, in this area, in this area, because it's

all I have. Yep, I have no other way. And sometimes you got to put yourself in those positions to where all you got. If you a hustler, then you got to put yourself in a position to where you know you have to hustle. You got to look at your product. I mean as much as like it's art, but it's also like a business. You're in the music business, and I feel like, especially as an independent artist, it

almost expands the way you can make money. If you're signed on a major label, there's so much red tape anything you want to do. That's where you could do whatever the fuck you want. You could drop a project for three months before it's DSPs and only your fans get it. You could drop a fucking limited edition vinyl run. You could do it. So many things you could do that. I figured that out later on, but at the beginning of the journey that don't. That's not too like you know,

visible force, of course, you know what I'm saying. So your first your goals change as you get more knowledge and stuff. At first, I just wanted to deal. Yeah, of course, keep your advance, get high and stuff. Back then that was like definitely still with hard radio era, that was kind of the way to go back then, it was definitely the goal. Like, and I didn't understand that, you know, you didn't need a lot of fans in

order to really like get rich facts. You know, you just need you just need, you need more fans and followers. I would take five hundred fans over a million followers. I would definitely take that because five hundred fans, when I say fans of people who will spend money with you, you you can be able to pay your bills. You'll be able to keep a roof over your head with those five hundred people if you do it the right way.

Of course. Yeah, yeah, of course you've built waight. I mean you're you're you're up there, man, you're killing it. But yeah, it's wild. I do feel like like when I when you talk to people who've been locked up, they take it as one or two ways. Either one they come out and fucked more and situtionalized, or they get humbled. Andy, it kind of corrects the path when you were when you were in incarcerated, were you working

on your bars in there. Hell nah, nah, meat man, I only could move off energy and real life events, right, I can't really like you were like unmotivated. Yeah, I don't even write on what I'm doing, Yeah, with my life doing so I'm gonna either. I ain't want to write about being in jail. I knew my ship was natural talent and when I came home that I was gonna be able to work. And actually when I came home, you know, I stepped my ship up even more. You know what I'm saying for was my flow and all

of that without having to practice in jail. It's just a natural thing. But I ain't work on nothing in jail. Yeah. Was there like a was there like a scene in prison of like rappers, like people like kicking ciphers and they obviously you had a name when you were in there. Did people know who you were? Yeah? Or they found out? Well, they were a couple of motherfuckers, was knowing who I was? And shit, because I was still on the come up there, right,

you were still on to come up? Yeah. So but I would run across a couple of spinners and ship like shout out to my homeboy, iron Chic he was on the battle scene and him had a few sessions in the in the yard iron Chek. Yeah, shout out the Iron Chek and ship Man. You know what I'm saying. Facts you uh, for people who don't know, I feel like a lot of people if it wasn't Griselda, they discovered Bennie through you, got through you and you and

you guys doing the Early Collapse table was that twenty fifteen? Yeah, like the Trust tapes and stuff like that, that that all that early ship Explain your relationship obviously, both you guys are from upstate about an hour apart Buffalo, Rochester minutes our Explain how did you and Benny end up initially linking up? I used to go to DJ Sha Studio,

Bressing Peace, Bressing Piece to DJ Shit. I used to go there to record that was like that was Benning Home Studio and like green and Team Invasion and shout out to Greenlander and Team Evasion. And they they suggested that I go out to Buffalo to record at Shape Spot. So you know, early in my career, like two thousand and seven, I would go out there and just start working on my early mixtapes, right, and then me and Benny would just collapse because that was his home studio,

so eventually it became my home studio as well. And that's how me and Benny gaked that relationship because I'll come through there and we just be working and shit, you know what I'm saying, And uh, that's how I started. That's how I met Ben, That's how I met Conway, and you know, the whole, the whole Griselda ship. Yeah, I think you guys are synonymous with each other, both of y'all's movements, you know, in terms of like what y'all do with the fans, what y'all do on the

business side, like and then obviously musically. I think you guys are very tidy in man, has it has it been?

It's been pretty dope for you just knowing Bennie since back then to kind of see everything that Benny been one of my main motivations on my journey and ship because it was times that you know, on my journey, I faced so many things that would discourage me from not you know, knowing how to capitalize off it, that I would take breaks and watching Bennie he just would keep going, would keep going, and that was the motivation I needed, right, So when I seen like the response

he was getting, that motivated me. It was like, oh, I know it's possible. You know, there's somebody I work with all the time and I see how they responding to him. So it's like, oh, let me show on

what I could do too. If Benny ain't keep working the way he did, I went and I had that motivation or inspiration to really keep going because like I said, I wasn't making no money off of it after doing it for ten years, right, So you know, once I seen my boy doing actually getting the respect and the recognition, it was like, oh, okay, we're on or something now. And that's when I picked my pen back up and we did stab and shot. That was a great project.

Appreciate that, Yeah, great project. It's stoked because I like to see watching you go on your recent run and watching Ransom go on his recent run. It's been dope to see. And uh, you know, Ransom somebody who's on your new project, but he's also somebody who I feel like, you know is has done a really good job of finessing the independent game to your let like like using like the positive because you know something like you said, when you first came into the game, you're trying to

get a record. I think Ransom is somebody who like is doing a great job of making sure he's super serving his fans, making sure he don't he don't go too too long without making sure you hear a project from him, or you stay on top, like you know what I mean. So it's dope to see both of y'all from that era, right you know, really, I feel like y'all are really catching your stride right now, Like it's kind of crazy. It is crazy, you know what

I'm saying. It's really it's it's it's motivational, inspirational to the people that's grinding and let you know, not to give up, because there's chapters of every of your guys' careers that are like legendary within themselves, you know what I mean. So it's like just to see ten, twelve, thirteen, fourteen years in both of y'all are fucking hitting your peak. It's like it's dope, and like you said, it is inspirational.

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the interview. Would you say that, like obviously you said Benny was a big inspiration, but like just the you know, I feel like you and you and Grisela have similar her business models in terms of YO, when we drop, we're gonna have the merch, we're gonna have the vinyl. We're gonna make sure that fans can show up and support us with with where it counts like you might not pay for the project, but hey, we gotta We

got a hoodie, we gotta TV. Would you say that, like with what Grisela kind of did, I don't know who was doing that first, but now well on the on the merch side and that whole thing that was definitely Griselta. They they they helped introduce the whole formula to how to actually capitalize. Shout out to Gun because shut out the Gun And that's another thing, like you know, if Gun ain't really do what he did, you know, I wouldn't have the motivation to really take it serious

as well. I didn't really see that it was money to be made and really see how to really connect with the people. And Gun figure that out. You know what I'm saying, Father, It's like how to actually capitalize on the fan base and ship, you know what I'm saying. So so so shout out to the whole Grisetta. So yeah, yeah that that that that that whole formula is that whole independent formula started you know with them over there, you know what I mean? Fowers that way of course,

like definitely definite. You also, uh, you know, you're no stranger to do in collad project. Shout out to my guy Chase Fatty who's been through here, you guys had a dope project together. Who is on your radar that like if you were there's like an up and coming artist that you're just fucking with them, Like if you could do an album with them? Who would have beat this? You respect? Oh? Man, let me see man, because it could also be a O G. Just somebody here, Like, man,

if I could do something with this person, be crazy. Man. I would love to produce an album for Foot of God as a Z. I would love to produce an album for a You know what I'm saying, Brooklyn's final shoutout man, shout out to the God. You know what I'm saying. As far as new new people, you know what I mean? Like I pretty much work with everybody knew that I'm that I'm feeling, man, you know what

I'm saying. And uh, you know what I mean. The newest people that I'm feeling like, who is applying pressure lyrically would have to be like Shane or you know, just off of the simple factor. You know, I have worked with her and see how she held her own. Yeah, you guys gotten for sure, you know, and you know she she held her own with every single one of us from Ransom Bennie to me and you know we we we swing. You know what I like is who's on the BSF album? He was just up here. I

like go to the real too. I like O T too. Yeah, he got got some real he'd be saying shit in a way to be hitting. That makes sense, So shouts to ot Man. Okay, So seven Shots is out for you. When you like, look at a year, right, let's say we're January twenty twenty three, do you automatically know what the year is looking like, like I'm gonna put this out, this out, this out or you just kind of go with the flow in terms of like release schedule or like like it depends on how much I've been working

year prior. You know what I'm saying. If I've been working a year prior, then yeah, you know what I'm saying. Like this year, I didn't really have it figured out. Last year I took a break from uh from the writing side and focus more on the producing an executive producing side. So I really ain't have I wasn't really like just going to work like I usually would do when I write. You know what I'm saying. I usually would go make a record put it to the side,

go make records, put it to the side. But I went all that time without doing nothing before seven shots. Yeah, so I didn't really know when I was gonna drop this year. I just woke up one day, hit my engineer and was like, yo, let's lock in, and we went to the studio and I recorded the whole album that day, the whole the whole album that day. Because I recorded the whole it's eight records, yeah, eight records. Yeah, I mean so one day. Yeah, I recorded the whole

album that day. That's you know what I'm saying that, Yeah, And it was a feel. It was a feel like I like to provide a field, so you know when I that's how I record. I like to capture the energy of that time, you know what I'm saying, and record everything while I'm feeling that energy. And that's why the projects sound like that. Sonning for you, there's like, obviously guys like yourself, guys like Rock Marcie, who will executive produce or produce a whole album for somebody else?

Like what is the approach for when you put your producer hat on it, and how does it differentiate from when you are the artist. Uh, well, my producer had I'm basically more or less like a coach, right, I'm just sitting there like just watching and and there to actually like critique, not really just you know, like just to actually help form whatever it is and make sure

it's the best. You know what I'm saying. As a producer, I'm not really you know, And you know it's it's I actually enjoy that a little a lot more than than than than me than the autist side, you know what I'm saying. Being the coach. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like you know what I mean. But you know that's that's I have to put a lot of time into that when I'm in that mode, you know,

just like on the business side. When I'm in business mode, I'm in business mode, I really ain't thinking about writing, no raps or nothing like that, you know what I'm saying. And when I'm in production mode, I'm bringing out twenty beats in a day, you know what I'm saying, So it'd be certain hats when I'm in rap mode, like right now, I'm rapping. I didn't produce one song on seven Shots because I'm rapping, you know, So I took the producer hat off and I'm got yeah, and I'm

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you know, very slept on. I mean, you were probably were you locked up when Amelio started to pop a bit, when Breaking Point came out. I just came home and shit, I just came home around that time and shit. But yeah, because when I think of Rochester, I think of you, I think of him, I think of Green Lantern. Yeah, that's how it started. Yeah, with the whole hip hop scene. You know what I'm saying. I remember having the Team

Invasion mixtapes back in the day exactly. Shout out the Team Invasion selling them out to swat Meet, Shout out to Greenlander, like Greenlander was like the og of the town that really like open doors like that let us know, like okay, oh yeah, Eminem's DJ, jay Z's DJ Naz's DJ, right and one of the coldest producers, right, And people don't understand Like, man, I used to sit under Green and study a lot, Like that's how I know how to put a project together, you know, I know I

understand it, like how I would want to start and how I would want to make it end, and like you know that come from like you know, really sitting there up under Green. Green Lantern has got my favorite mixtapes ever, probably and uh he's probably he's probably my favorite mixtape DJ of all time, to be honest, man, So shout out to Green that's my dog. He's out of my hometown now, nay Z doing his thing man Green Lantern. Man, So I was gonna say, was it

did it work against you? Not being from New York City and being from that the city in that area. At first, it definitely it just started working funny. Yeah, that ain't become cool until you know, recently these last couple of years. Before then, they they wasn't jack and that it was so hard, like you know what I mean, Like New York is real like territorial prideful, yeah, you know, and that what they rep like, you know they so it's like they ain't even really like supporting other boroughs.

You know, it's like the Bronx right loan another spy six hours away, you know what I'm saying. Serious drive they never even heard of before. So it was real hard for them to like understand where we was coming from. You know what I'm saying. They didn't understand it because you know, they didn't understand that you know, these were stories up here and people really getting busy up here. They never been up there, never went to the prison system, you know what I'm saying. So you think it's it's

that's gone away recently. Hell yeah, that was the understanding. Yeah, I feel like, you know, if they understand now, like like you know, there's another part of New York because I feel like there's always guys like you know, obviously Static Select is not from New York, is from Boston, but I feel like he always would show love on SHA forty five just to the guys like you know, the Gris all the guys. That's when I first heard of them was a Static freestyle and case Leigh you

know definitely. But I feel like now you know, you'll see Folk Flex show support, you know, and obviously shot out to Conway for motivating Flex to challenge every New York rapper to make new music. I'm glad something dope came out of that situation because it looked interesting in for a shouts about got conract. But for you man, like in twenty twenty two, when you put out a project, what is the like checklist? It's like, Okay, the album's

gonna come out. We got to have the merch together, We got to have the vinyl together, Like what is everything that you You got to make sure it's put together before you put a project out, because like we said, you're a hustler. You know how to really ulterally monetize your work, your art. For independent artists that are watching this, like, what are the things that you make sure are all

aligned before you put something out. I make sure that the project is you know, I make sure I got I make sure it's done, and I got all the assets first, you know, assets meaning like my good artwork, social media stuff, social media stuff, videos, things that I could do that I could use to help with my rollout. You know, I make sure I got all of that before I go and hire a publicist or somebody that work it, because you don't want to hire the publics

for everything you chasing, you tell stuff like that. So the first thing I do is make sure I got all the assets connected to the project. After I got that, then I make sure I got all the merchant stuff you know, in production. And then that's about it. Man. Once I got all of those things linked up, you know, I make sure that I'm with a good distributor to make sure I could get some proper visibility on right, maybe some playlists pitching, you know what I'm saying, which

is very important. And that's about it. Once I got those things, and you know, I don't you know, I make sure I turn the music in at least thirty days or more prior to me releasing and give the digital peoples enough time to do what they need to do with it, like you can't just like us sometimes as all this, we'll lock ourselves into a date, be like I'm wanna drop next week. Just get them the music and stuff, you know, you want to actually really turn stuff in, you know, and then come up with

the date. Yeah, because if you've come up with the date and the album's not mixed master turned in, then you, like you said, you handcuf yourself to a day and right for artists who don't know, like you, definitely want to turn your shit in thirty days prior for the DSPs at least at least you know, at least you know what I'm saying. So yeah, that's that's about that. How does somebody get vinyl made? Is that? Is that hell right now? Because I heard it's really tough. It's

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to the interview. Removing your project in any projects you've been a part of from this year, what is your favorite album, what's your album of the year so far? Twenty twenty two. Oh shit, man, man, what did I listen to this? Shit? Man? Damn man, I don't want to give me like three of them. I don't listen to people. How about that, You didn't listen to the Pusher t album? Nah, it's fire, I gotta go listen to it. What about Kendricks? You listen to Kendrick's album? Definitely?

I heard not I heard. I heard like what was on a radio like with him and the chit going back and forth. I thought that shit was called him in the check. I didn't go listen to it, though. I'm kind of with when it comes to music, right, I gotta have like I'm not unreal. I don't know, bro, I'm a little weird and shit when it comes to me, I don't listen it. Like that's fair? Like that? What about who would you consider your top like four or five? Like your personal It don't got to be the greatest

of all time. I'm talking about just like your personal favorites. Just MC's all time Cougie rap I put at the top of the list. Yeah, obviously escites ain't in no order, but you rap start first, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you've obviously got music dedicated to him. Shot the coolgie rap shit whole, not just from lyrical content, from from from the field, everything everything, fuck it. Yeah. Oh nahs for creativity, fucking rewind Man like creativity, like I got

different rappers, that's for different things. Tupac for emotion pain Yep, that was the first person that made me feel something like how I feel sad or I feel happy? I feel Tupac from pain on one more one more? Huh damn big, big and without a doubt, big for just like flow the best flow ever flow butter flow right, big for flow period. That's fair. Yeah, that's a grade five. You should cause you rap too, man, They'll get enough flowers out here. Honorable mention, Big pun pun Man, Honorable

mention Punk Apple Punishment. Oh god, that's one of the biggest, the biggest webs. Like, man, what a pun would have never passed? Man? Ship? Where would he be at right now? I mean Ship, Biggie and Tupac. We could say that about three of them, right Ship A whole different landscape of this whole game, bro, that's fun. It be insane. Man, what you got coming? Do you have anything else coming? The rest of the Year or anything out in the books, more music, or you just working seven shots right now.

I'm working seven shots. But I got some ship. I don't know if I want to announce it yet because I don't know when it's coming. But what I can announce and tell y'all that me and Conway did an album during a pandemic. Ooh yeah, is it coming out? Is coming out twenty twenty three, y'all get ready for that. Has Conway convinced you to visit him in Denver yet? No? I ain't go out there yet. He's pretty much living

there now. I went and saw him last month. He fucking fell in love with Denver and it's just not lie. He's just not leaving. I gotta go. I've never even been. I'll go and check that shit out. You've never been to Denver, I've never been Dever. Just go out there. Conway's got like a he's got to sewed up out there. They treat him like he's you were to think he's from Denver. We was moving around out the strip. Club

fucking weed grows all kinds of shit. So Conway and Special Album twenty twenty three Facts love to hear it Yeah, there it is, man. I appreciate you pulling up. Yo. You just also just did a crazy freestyle, which is a different YouTube video. Go watch that shit. That ship was insane. What is the website? People can go support the trust Station the trust Station dot Com. Y'all could go get merged. Y'all could go and get Vinyl. Y'all could go and listen to my own radio station on

the trust Station dot Com. Y'all could go and listen to my radio station. You're curating the playlist. I'm curating the playlist, man, But you know I got some shows in there too. You know what I'm saying. That is live as well, and shit, you know what I mean. The app will be launching soon, y'all gonna be here more. You're gonna have an app coming, definitely. The app is coming soon, so people will be able to ride around and listen to your radio station and right from their phone.

Yeah well right now, you can still do it. You could go to the trust that dot Com listen to it right from the site from your browser. But the app is on the way. They things coming, man. You can be dropping like exclusive music on the app first. Hell yeah, it's smart, bro. There it is, Man thirty eight specch appreciate you pulling up, brother, Yes that you having me bro Fire boom