#200 - Tank

But he brought He brought his physical CD physical. We got a physical album. I brought physical. Yes, I don't even know y'all have a Cdler brought the physical. He's got to take it out the case. It's gotta take it off. I gotta see what what it's looking like. I've been open one of these are a minute, I still haven't open one. I'm just been looking at him. This is going to be the first. We'll see what the CD looks like. We're going to open see if we got thank You's on the inside. Look at listen

you hear that. I kind of missed that plastic paper the play the album. This is CD. People look at the d's. That's what we used to play in our cars. It's not. This is the difference though, it is now instead of a booklet, Q you got a QR to get the thank you. Yes, Now, listen, there has to be compromise. I get it, you know what I'm saying. And in this in this new wage that we're in,

so I fought to press these up. I love it, but you know, there have to be some compromise on the amount of paper material that went into Was it a tough fight to put the CD out? Though? Over just Atlantic? They got No, it wasn't a tough fight. But I am. I am an artist that still sells physical CD okay, so you know. And I asked me for BUYINGEL and they asked me for CD. Vinyl still popping, right, vinyls a cracker. Yeah, Like, if you ain't selling vinyl

as a artist, you're tripping. It's crazy. I prefer Vinyl over CD right now. You have a you don't even have a record. I have a record, Yeah I do. I'll use it, you know what I got. So listen, man, this is your final album? Yeah, so what made you decide to just hang it up? Well? The thing that made me want to transition because you got the R and B Money podcast, Army Money. Army Money label started with the arm By Money label, and that was just an alert, Armby makes money. You want to make money

on arm and B. Come to RMB money. We understand it, we know the blueprint, we got it. But the thing that kind of prompted my transition to happen, I think maybe a little bit faster than I had thought I would orchestrate. It was just you know, kind of going death, you know, my right ear and some of my left, and then the vertigo and then just that journey and challenge that I went through medically, which kind of made

me look at time differently, right. You know, I wasn't purposely procrastinating, you know, I just I was just taking the steps, you know, maybe a little bit more cavalier or more casual than I am now, because it's like you look at the legacy, and you look at all the goals and the things that you want to accomplish, and just being on stage and taking my shirt off singing in front of thousands you know women, that that's

not the end goal, right. The end goal for me has always been to give that back, you know what, I mean, to establish a foundation where singer songwriters and producers could go and get their opportunity at a twenty plus year career, and that I could help facilitate that in some way, shape or form. That's always been the end goal. So you know, the album process takes a lot of time away from that. This is you know,

this is years in the making. Then a tour has to go along with it, all of these things, and it just keeps me away from that other thing that I really want to get to, the mission and then acting. So you know, I do act. I have appeared on a bunch of stuff, but I haven't been able to put the time into it. You have to, you have to, they can't. The casting directors have to know that you're available and that you're not going to go on tour in the middle, in the middle of shooting. You know

what I'm saying. I got to take days when he's available and only shoot those days of what They don't want to deal with that, right, They want to know that the actor is available for whatever needs to be done. That's sitting, that's all. And so I have to get off this roll, get off this bus, get off this plane and sit down and build these things in order for you know, for me for my goals to be fulfilled. Yo, going deaf in one of your ears as an artist,

does that change anything about your process? Like? Do you like like because it feels like obviously that's such an important component of for sure got to be scary too. It's scary at first, right because it's like I no longer hear in stereo, you know what I mean, It's all and then how do you process all of the information in one ear? You know what I'm saying, From music to voice to people talking, stuff moving, it's all happening in one ear. And so yeah, it was an adjustment,

I mean it. You know, I was off balance for a long time, you know what I mean. And and my first time on stage from going that was I was at the Essence Essence Festival and literally almost tripped twice. So I have vertigo and I'm deaf in my right ear. So I'm like, I'm looking back, I can't really hear. I'm telling my guy, I'm pointing at my sound guy, like turned the vocal up or turned that down, turn the vocal back down, turned no don't. I couldn't figure

it out. They didn't, nobody else knew it. But in my mind, I'm like, am I off? Am I am? I am? I am I sharp? And my flat like I couldn't tell. So it took a minute to find that's a balance. Oh it's a lot. Yeah. I get some weight, so you be that fat dude on stage on the couchle. What's crazy is that I did gain weight.

You can't tell fat dudeys physic That's what I showed you, guys. Yeah, but but the medicine, I don't know if anybody knows anything about pregnant zone, very very very nasty, stereoides, stereoid and and you know it was it was to help the nerves in my ear. But what it also does it sends you into a depression, which I'm already depress because I only got one ear and I don't know what the hell, which just magnifies that, magnifies that, and then I'm eating like ninety going north, Like I'm doing

sixty milligrams of presnis on a day. I'm eating from sun up to sundown. Anybody knows me, I don't eat a lot of food and I have chronic reflux to go along with that. So I'm having to sleep sitting up. My stomach is out there here so that I won't throw up on myself, sleep sitting up every night. It was a process, man, and then trying to get back in shape, and you know, it was it was. It was one of the rare times where I was down mentally,

physically and spiritually. That's rough, you know what I mean. And it's it's been. This album has been all of that journey. It's been all of it. A lot of that here, A lot of that is in there, you know what I mean. And so now I can now I'm in a place where I can say, yeah, I'm ready to I'm ready to make that transition and I'm happy to make it. So how did you climb out of the depression and get back spiritually where you want to be happy and to create again good people around me? Man?

My wife is you know, that's that's that's like my anchor, man, She's She's just always there. You know what I'm saying. My wife is like the what do you need? Every five minutes? What can I do? What can I do? You know? My got Lulu, I got you Valentine just always in my air. Bro you you got it. You gotta got out of a strong circle. You know what I'm saying. My guy John Gaines, who you know, started started helping me build back physically, you know what I'm saying.

And mentally, you know what I'm saying, just saying, you got you gotta push. This is your tank. You know what I'm saying. Don't you think? Man? Like you said, people love to see you with your shirt off. People love to see the tips. And you know I can't let the people down. You know what I'm saying. We don't like seeing that titties a song, just surprised for the wife. Bring tank out at the wedding on Saturday. I don't want this nigga nowhere near my wedding. If

I see. I'm not crying for the wrong reason. I'm here. It's sober before it started. I'm just setting you up, man, I'm here to set you up to knock it down. But I successfully. She liked fat dudes. Now so Ross and DJ Cally. She's got no choice. She got no choice.

Now they're a level because I've been trying to lose the same hundred rounds for like the last you know, I've been going to gym, been working with each other for about a year and a half, and he's been working out every morning at five am, and he looks the same. Matter. In fact, I have a picture with you from twenty thirteen and you haven't aged not a bit. And I keep agent. They say, black, don't crack, But what happened with me? I'm I don't. I don't know

if you've cracked. She had. Yeah, it's it's not some people have Tank and Dwight jeans and it's not the it's not so much to work, bro, it's it's it's the intake. You got to manage the intake. The diet. That's it. That's what. That's what they've been telling me all this time. When they say it's eighty percent diet twenty percent like working out, that's true, right, Yeah, you can. You can. There are diets where you don't have to work out at all. What it does what you do? Yeah,

what are those diets? There are Keto diets right now? Yeah, we talked about keto every day. Twenty five pounds right now? Really? Yeah, I mean I also work out, but you know, because you look like ship too, So this is wild there, Keto. There's also a carb free diet, you know what I mean, where you supplement your carbs in other ways. Maybe you know Celsius energy drinks, that type of thing, and just just rely on protein and veggies and and let it

burn that way. And and then there's and then there's uh, there's low calorie eating, you know what I mean. So that's when you eat more times a day, but you keep the calories load of smaller meals. Probably all the respect was for you and everything, but I ain't listening to none of that. And he also eats chocolates every night. Every night, he's fucking taking a weed brownie to go to sleep. Without the edibles. You're an addict a kind of connotation to it. You have to stop. It's you.

It's you, buddy, it's the pandemic edibles, it's me. It's you. We're on the other side of the pandemic. You just we before operating as if we're this to do you at the end of the day. You getting married on Sunday, Saturday, right Saturday. Yeah, apparently somebody's happy with you and your decisions. Yeah, somebody. What he's said, he kiss him every day. Take. I want to talk to you about R and B because I feel like good R and B is still out there. But you know, when I was growing up, it was

your era. It was one twelve, it was Drew Hill, it was I mean, we can go on and on and on. By the way, I missed the R and B group dying dying art form for sure. For sure, the R and B group is something that I'm like, what's the R and B group when I was a tagging edge? But I feel like there's very few people still making the R and B I was listening to when I was growing up at a high level. I think you're obviously somebody like that. I loved Lama's album.

What is your thoughts on just like the current state of R and B and like some of them more like I guess alternative arm because some stuff that's considered R and B these days isn't really like what I would consider R and B. Of course, does that make sense, of course, but you have to consider what the kids now that are doing R and B, what they grew up on. You know, they grew up in a very hip hop dominated society, right, you know what I mean?

And then not only that, they also had to live with rappers, I guess, abandoning just regular rap and doing all melody rap, right, and now they have to contend with rappers using melody and actually being emotional. You know what I'm saying. They baby mamas, you know, is out of contruct all on the record. They got to shoot somebody, but then they got to go check on their baby mama. You know what I'm saying, who's not acting right? You know what I'm saying, who might have been seeing the

guy they shot? You know, you know it's all murky for us as male R and B singers grew up on Jodasy boys to men. I'll be sure new addition, Bobby, That's what we grew up on. So that's what we emulated. That's what was mainstream. When you looked at the charts, that was topping the charts, and if you wanted to be somebody, you had to be like that. When these kids look at the charts and they wanted to be somebody, all they saw were rappers and there's future, there's juice world.

So the land just got bigger. They're like, how do we fit into that? And so it became more about incorporating the things that were winning, the esthetic that looked to be the mainstream in order to either fit in that space or just be seen period, you know what I mean. And there weren't enough. There weren't enough outlets that were willing to preserve the traditional nuance of R and B. They just weren't you know, they weren't willing to play it. Take a ballot number one. They just weren't,

you know what I mean. And so all of that got pushed to an urban ac kind of thing which became. Which is this new radio category, Well now it's it's it's R and B radio, right, they're making the transition to make it younger, which has become. But and initially it was an oldies kind of thing. It was oldies and some new R and R and B sprinkled in here and there. You could only get one record off

a year, you know what I mean. So our outlet was just that they stopped, you know, they stopped having an R and B hour in the clubs, you know what I'm saying, The last hour where you could make a decision on who you was going you know what I'm saying, Who's going to tap? In with they stopped having it, so we lost clubs, you know what I'm saying. We just started losing in so many different places. That was like how do we fit in? How do we

keep up? We had to adapt their nuances and they're slowly but surely we got away from what we grew up on tradition. Shout out I want to shout out money Long because she took a record to number one at Urban and Rhythm and that was a very traditional R and B, very traditional and very awesome for the conversation because I was like, Yo, this is a real R and B right, so that we can yell, kick, kick, and stomp and wave our flags and say, hey it works.

Heartbreak Anniversary was a slower record that did really well. You know, he's got a crazy voice. But there's been a few records that have been cutting it like it's like, you know, it's like they'll give us one a year or one every six months, and we're like, yeah, that's cool, but you know, you you give them a hundred, you give it. Where's the balance? So what you're retiring, do you feel comfortable leav an R and B where it's at right now? Do you think it's in good hand.

I'm not leaving it to anybody. I'm going to recruit. He's got his imprint, right, I'm going to recruit. So now it's time for me to go build the army of the songwriters and producers and artists who will feel the void. And it's about grabbing the one that have the nuances that I grew up on, right, you know what I mean. I'm I'm looking for wavy artists, you know what I'm saying, who can tap in and do both and who have the trap and the all. I'm tapping into all of that. But I'm also looking for

the R and B singer. That's a that's a different one. The R and B singer has to actually be able to sing right. Also shot out to like if you think about like today, like back in the day. And I say this because the New Division record is a

great record produced by Jermaine Dupria JD. Be Cox, absolutely so if you think of you know, ninety eight ninety nine, there was like these like mainstays of like R and B production where it was like and I feel like maybe the closest person to that that's like craft in like dope hit records that have R and B vibes.

I mean, I think hit Maker is doing a pretty decent job at it, like but outside of like I don't know if we have that Jermaine dupri of like the new era and traditional art, right, I mean, I do it for myself, like Mustard's done some dope shit for Lma, you know what I mean, but in terms of like nothing traditional, right, But you hear what I'm saying, Like back in the day we have like you know,

even like Diddy and the Hitmen were. I do it for myself, but with the time, I need to be able to do it for other people, right right, you know what I mean. I produce and write that for myself because that's what I have time to do, right, But now I have to, like you said, who's the go to producer that can bring R and B at least some of the nuances of traditional R and B into twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three. That's what I do, But I do it just for me. Hey, we got

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code bootleg cap say twenty percent off today. Go do that. Let's get back to the interview. Who are you a fan of singer wives that are just that you just just you know, obviously unaffiliated with your you and your your crew, But like just someone who you you're just a fan of singing, wise an artist that can sing. I love h I love Lucky Day. You gotta love Jazzmine Sullivan. She's amazing, great album to you. You gotta love her. You gotta love Money Long. You gotta love

Kevin Ross, who needs way more flowers? Who needs way more looks? You gotta love even some of the unsigned acts who are out here going crazy. What's my guy, Avery Wilson? You know, if you listen to that guy saying like he's he should be he should really be on the radio keeping the bar high, extremely high for vocal ability. You know what I'm saying. Of course I'm listening to Beyonce. She's She's beyond. Who's your R and B?

Mount Rushmore? If you have to choose the four rush More the Mount h Yeah, Wow, you want to go deep. That's what we're going. By the way, I'd like to just point out the rules of this. Anything that happened in their personal life out the window, move forward. I know what I did, favorite tame Bro. I just want to I just want to be clear that there's one slot that should be Allocant, a really terrible guy, but he deserves to be up there only. Okay, this is

a room only. So now with that being said, who is your Mount Rushmore of R and B. Mount Rushmore of R and B. Stupid Mount Rushmore of R and B. Marvin Gay Okay, Beyonce O, Michael Jackson, Okay, just say his name? Go ahead? Where is stead of why you whispering? You know, just god, just say it. Kelly Kelly, Yeah, yeah, art only. Obviously, I still listen. You know, it's crazy. It's crazy because I love R. Kelly so much. Obviously his music. I love his music. I'm like fucking hardcore

R Kelly fan. Yeah, I still get his ship off at the end of the night when I'm dejaying, like at the club and nobody says ship you drop that fucking the morning I've been in the none of you gonna say a few a bunch of clubs play step in the name a little at your well. That was that was actually a question asked, can we play R Kelly? I said, yeah, just we're gonna be drinking anybody anybody

at that point time. I think I think everybody, you know, everybody wants to be right in this conversation, right, and I think I think everybody should be left to operate or feel however they want to feel. You have so many people that believe, hey, I just love the music, and you're okay to believe that. You have some people that feel like, oh, the music is is connected to all of these bad things. You're allowed to believe that.

But condemning, condemning either side that side, we are so extreme right now, that's not the We don't have to agree on something. We don't have to agree. You can have completely and you can make me exactly. Let's normalize, have an opinions again in everything in a world. Yeah, it's like yo, yo, You like during the pandemic you kind of took a stance. I wouldn't say like a stance, but you were very skeptical about some of the ship

that was going on. Rightfully, so, but I feel like you kind of a lot of people were on your fucking head about it early. Was that you, like just in terms of like the vaccinations and the mask I mean, listen, I'm just it's again what I'm saying, right, that's a perfect example. And here's here's what's crazy. But let's let's let's just speak a little bit I mean, they're probably gonna put the CDC sign I guess on they moved

on the monkey. We're so we're looking for bumps. Now we're we All of a sudden, the CDC puts out a statement that says, oh, if you've had it, it's the equivalent of having gotten the vaccine. Your your immunity is just as powerful. Really, you you you you mean to tell me, you the almighty c d C. You just now figured that out. And when I said it back in the beginning of all of this, I was stupid. I was a conspiracy theorist. How dare you You can't

have free you can't think that way? How dare you ignorant? People are dying? I said, I know people are also living like me. I ain't gonna lie more scared of the monkey pops than I was. If you're you're walking around with monkey pops, you're fucking looking crazy. Yeah. No, monkey pox all the stuff I've seen on it, that's different. And I've had I've had chicken pox, chicken pox before I was as a kid. I mean, that was this

monkey like man. They said, I'm the first one in line soon as the vaccine here, I'm first getting the monkey pox vaccine, the first one get to Johnson to get a monkey pox vaccine, I don't want it. If you get it, I get where you at. But I'm already big and sweaty all the time. I can't be big, sweaty with a bunch of bumps. So I gotta do this. Make sweaty guys with bumps. You my god, you're not wrong. I want you to feel comfortable. I want you to

feel safe. It was decided before I see no, no, because I have to maintain my first statement, that's wrong. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. It's dangerous, Oh yeah, for sure. It's ugly. So that's why I'm care about the vaccines of anything vac scene wise. I think they've they've just ruled out that how resilient we are as human beings, right, they've they've kind of ruled that out. Now all of a sudden, our bodies and the things within our bodies are no longer science only the vaccines

are only the man made things are. So I don't know, man, it's just it's a tough conversation. Nobody's wrong. Do what makes you feel safe? Exactly? What makes you happy? I want to ask you, We're about twelve years or so into like, uh, what I considered like a nice renaissance in like R and B music becoming commercial again. And I'm talking about when Frank Ocean in the Weekend came out, they very much kind of kicked off a wave of like influencing a whole new generation doing R and B

in their own way. Like at this point, like when you hear The Weekend, who's obviously a fucking superstar, one of my favorite artists, But like, do you kind of put him in that R and B conversation at all? Or is he kind of like transcended R and B at this point? What do you like? Like, I think that I think that the system has figured out a way to make very successful artists who sing separate from

R and B or just the title for some reason. Right, for all intentsive purposes, we can Bruno Mars, Frank Ocean, these guys are R and B singers. The fact that they're extremely popular, The fact that there may be a different kind of rhythm or more upbeat or sonically it may be more universal to the world. Right, the fact that it's that doesn't kill the fact that it's R

and B music. Now we can we can add words to it, Okay, R and B pop. Fine, it's very popular R and B. Right, he's a very popular R and B artist, right, But if you ask, but if you ask these guys what they are and what they're doing, R and B artists, R and B artists like change the system has I's talked to Justin when he made this. When you're doing the twenty twenty, he said, Man, I made it. I was making an R and B album

and they just put me in a pop category. I'm an R and Do you remember the Justin Bieber album Journals that poo Bear produced and album. I mean that's his best album and it's a traditional R and B album. Crazy, No one ever talks about that album, but it it's like it was straight R and B like Justin, Joel Bear was in his bag, in his bag for sure. Vocally,

Kids sounded amazing. I think that kind of what what you said on Drink Champs is so true though, Like what you said about if a black artist does stay with me like a Sam Smith record, it's it's not for whatever reason. Like I really like when you when you kind of articulated that it was very accurate. It was like you like think of like a Lewis Capaldi, you know what I mean, or some of these like

pop ballads. If if you did it, or if a traditional R and B artist did it, it's not going to get the same push, or it's not going to be pushed at pop radio. We're not going to get the look. Why do you think that is? We're black. It's fine, Yeah, we're just not going to get the look. You aren't going to take my CD and into uh over there at the at the rhythmic station and say, hey, man, I got this new tank song man and just yeah, it doesn't really fit our demo. I don't And that

kind of goes like without even hearing the record. It's almost like what you said earlier with that new radio format. Now listen, if I if I give them, if I give them a bunch of bitches and holes, now that's gonna make us some money. Mm hmmmm, I see what's going on? Got it? That's that's that's gonna get us some money. You got anything like I don't know, like the Migos or something like you got offset on a Verse, You got offset on the verse. Oh yeah, perfect, that's

more our demo. Yeah, And I mean we can speak to many reasons why that is, but we know what we're up against. Yeah, so you know what I mean. Are you still frustrated with it? Or do you just find ways to overcome it? I don't even think about it. That's that's the way to do it. Do you keep your You're you're on a mission. I I I deal with the people that I can touch. This album. You got Chris Breezy on the album easy shout out to

Chris Breezy. Give Me Black to Tuxedo is amazing. Jay Valentine your your partner on the R and B Money podcast. If I'm throwing this thing in, yeah, give me the first. If I can only listen to one record, what's the one record I'm going to on this one? If you had to pick one. I'm just saying like, let's say let's say someone's listening and this is the first time they've heard of Tank, they don't know who the They're gonna open up Spotify and they're gonna be like, you

know what, I'm gonna check this Tank guy out. What's the What's what's what's the record? You know your favorite today because I'm sure tomorrow it's gonna change, maybe in an hour. Absolutely, absolutely, I'm glad you said that. Hm, when you dance, when you dance? Okay, track to track to I'm just looking at some of these titles. Spoil her alert? How much? Like? How do I spoil my future wife? What do I need to do? Well? I mean that's a conversation, right, So about that's the last

place we're going to. It starts with communication, right, right, and that's what's communicated to you. So you have to ask the right questions, right. And so in order to spoil your spoil your woman, you have to be meeting a need or or the needs right. And you have to be you have to truly understand what those needs are. That need is and they comes to it with time. It's what she requires and for every woman that's completely different.

Like I'm very inquisitive, So I like to ask a lot of questions, you know what I'm saying leading up to whatever, before whatever. I like to be well versed before before anything takes place. You know what I'm saying, Before we sit down, eat, eat, eat a meal. You know what I'm saying, Before we go somewhere to a theme park. You may hate roller coasters, Okay, that's not what we do, right right, you know what I'm saying. You may hate water parks, but then that's not what

we do. You love the beach though, Oh I can take you with some sand is ye yeah, yeah, whatever you want, whatever you tget. She hates hard liquor but loves red wine. Got you, I'm a I'm a whatever. Look up the best red wines they have to offer. You know what I'm saying, Like it's it's it's different. She don't like to be pounded on. She likes to be stroke slow there go there, Like you got to ask these questions girls different, girls different. Don't treat it

like it's once one set up shot. It's not. It's not one set of keys for every car there. Go right up, Hey, that's the way to put it right there. That's man, man yo, being married, being so busy, you have so much going on. Give me some advice because I struggle with this in my marriage where I'm just I've just got like a million things happening. Work life balance, like when it comes to like home to work, Like how do you make sure you always have the time

carved out, and like, what are those things? Some tips you could give somebody who's just got a lot of shit going on but still wants to make sure that they're very you know, active at home with the kids and the wife, Well, you gotta, you gotta. You know, it goes back to that conversation where you know you you both understand that something's going to suffer. You know what I'm saying, You're not going to be able to make everything right, you know what I mean? Or you're

not going to be able to make this. You know what I'm saying, which which, which fuels, which provides right? And so within that you there is no balance. Let's start there. But you do still time. You do still moments like me and my wife have this, you know, Wednesday's date night nice, you know what I'm saying. And sometimes we shoot the pod on Wednesday. Sometimes we shoot it on Tuesday. But if we shoot it on Wednesday, you know, we'll do it one o'clock in a five

o'clock session. And she's like, Babe, you still want to do day night like you damn, I don't want to do day night. You're not gonna be on me as the ends of the weekend. You ain't even spending no time with and there no, no, we're doing this. We're doing this. Was up seventy two hours to go on to this line it up be up there like this,

But you're gonna be there. You're gonna be there. And it's just it's just stealing those moments or purposely taking that time, like doing it on purpose, you know what I'm saying. Trying to plan ahead as much as possible, you know what I'm saying. There's always something that comes up. You know what I'm saying. Somebody call and be like this, Yeah, I mean we got a hundred thousand if you come home and do the thing. I'm like, Babe, listen, I love the kids and I'd love to do art with them,

but you know that, honey, hate me calling. Maybe we better art like I could send in the art school with this, you know. So it's like and those are conversations, you know what I'm saying. It's it's two of you. So that's where the teamwork comes in play. Babe, I can't make it to this one. You got to be there, you know what I'm saying. Okay, Babe, you know what you take this one off. You know, when you are there,

you take that off, I'll take care of it. You know, you take off to day, you put your feet up, I'll do all the running around. You know. It's it. It's just communication. There is no balance. And that's the crazy thing. I had to It took me forever to realize that we communicate differently. The way I communicate is differently than her, So I had to learn how to communicate with her and not just for myself. Yeah, So

that's that's helped everything. So I appreciate that. Like, women are very detailed in terms of communicating that thing, and we're very vague, all right, cool and nosy. Women are very nosy. Oh, I know the whole partment is complex business and everybody extremely but I mean women are built built for information. Oh yeah, for five black women and we'd be good and no problems. The more information you provide,

the better a woman can operate. As a woman just wants to know she can make any kind of choice from there, right, But the more information you give are the easier she can she can make those adjustments. They're they're resilient like that, right, resilient like that? What up? We got to stop the interview real quick to tell you about our good folks at blue Chew. Don't forget man right now, you can get a whole month of blue Chee for free. That's right, Fellas. You're dealing with

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had a lot of women. I don't mean, I don't mean, I'm out of and your your fucking a lot of women almost you probably have half something woman looks like fan interactions, right, whether it's like a crazy person. What is the craziest like groupie situation, like where maybe someone snuck in your hotel? So there's a woman in my room, So what happens there? Tell? What city is this? What's

the details here? So show I don't I don't want to say the city somewhere in Virginia state folk a lot of places to go, but for the slow niggas, I like, I don't know, I don't even know what that's and don't do not ask me? How do you check in your room? In my room? I go into my room after the show? Okay, so I'd already checked into the room. I go into my room after the show, and there's you know, there's there's a woman that you know she's just in the room. She's not just in

the rooms. Please, I'm sorry, I just wanted I just wanted to have this moment with you, and I'm like, how the fuck you get in here? Are you doing it here? Did you kick her out? This is the real question. After after some time you were like, you know, I appreciate it, appreciate the I'm gonna give you that. I just needed to communicate with her and understand how

all this transport. So once I got enough information from her, yeah, she was allowed information, allowed to leave without interide information. I like that information. That's good way putting it. I was just getting information, babe. But you're just gathering intel. Gathering intel. You said you like information, right, I want to you know, you get to get to know her

and understand where she's coming from. How are you enjoying uh, because you've always been a great interview when you go on people's shows and ship like the podcasting side of things is obviously something that I feel like you're made for it. Naturally, it's been great just from the rip. How are you enjoying doing the podcast? I love it. I love it, and you know, I love what it

represents more so than anything. You know, It's it's an R and B space completely dedicated to R and B and we get to we get to talk it and relive it and and give the game and share the information, like you know, in a real way, and it's good being on the other side of it, you know what I mean. Like I've I've always wanted again to transition into that space, Like I've always felt like I was going to be, you know, in radio in some way,

shape or form. And then the podcast thing kind of becomes a thing and then I'm like, oh, there it is. You know what I'm saying, there's a way that we

can do it and do it our way. And so it was just, you know, the pandemic, you know, was a blessing for us in disguise because that's where we really started burning on the IG Live and it gave us a real sense, you know, that we that we had something and Kingsion recession proof, and so we start doing it here in this space, and I'm like, let's just let's just do it for real, Like let's call Jacob, let's get the cameras up and this the people that

will come outside, Let's let's get him. And we get a guy named Jamie Fox that decides he'll come outside, and we're rocking and rolling and we're ten in the can and he says, what you want to do. It's like, what do you want to do. You know what I'm saying, We're ready, I'll show you Doc shout out to Doc Winners. And by the way, Doc Winners hates it when you say Doc Winners, it's Doc Winter. Just want to put that out because it's my first time hearing this too.

DJ called always say yo, Doc Winners, it's Doc Winter, Doc Winter. Okay, you know what. I appreciate you right now. He never correct. Back in the day, they used to call it Joe Budden, Joe Buttens. Remember that I got you, got you. Let's never make that mistake again, and shout out to Doc Winter. And it just materialized from their black effect, you know, and all the that and and it just took off and we saw that this is

something that people didn't know they needed. It was a niche that like, I'm surprised no one, like, how is there not have been an R and B podcast this whole time? Well, because what's the allure? Right, Because if you're looking, you know, at the at the mainstream and you were looking at the numbers, all the pods that were doing well were just not about R and B, you know, So people were doing doing more following than leading, and so I say, hey, man, we're the leaders in

this space. We're not We're not has beens who are going to talk about what we used to do. We are actually doing something right now, like we are very prevalent and relevant in this space. Who better than us to have this conversation right? And it made sense. And so you had Jamie Fox on is he working on some new music? It's been so so long. Jamie Fox is making a lot of money, a lot a lot a lot of money doing movies. He just did the new movie A Snoop. He's got the new one out,

is it Daylight? It was good? Yeah, watch it. I gotta go see Daylight. I mean, you know, he's Jamie is just Jamie can do anything. You know, I would say raw talent. It's either Chris Brown or Jamie Fox in the last like twenty five years talking about every just raw talent, but every Yeah, I would give it to Jamie Fox. Jamie can't dance like Chris, and Jamie can't paint a mural on the side of the house like Chris can. They each can do things. Jamie is

probably the greatest entertainer of all times. I'm trying to for sure I'm not bad at that, but into what what you're saying. You know what I'm saying. Musically, I mean raw talent. Chris Brown can dance, he can paint Chris and Jamie can do stand up, he can sing his ass off, he can act. And I say that Jamie can do ballet and he could do Jamie Fox can do I've seen Jamie Fox do like a I don't know what what was the name of Jamie's first stand up was? I mean, I might need security, might

need security. He ain't got no new ones coming in that month, and the fucking R and B album, the first one unpredictable. No, no no, that's not the first one. What was the you did the one, the one that had one, that's the one that went crazy. But the first one was, uh, it had infatuation on it. Just FATU remember that. I can know you. You were babies, You were babies. Yeah, he had an album before that.

I just remember Frenchie from the Jamie Fox Show was always in the spank bank when I was a kid. You remember Frenchy from the Jamie Fox as well. She was a Francy French or whatever, the girl in the hotel on the show spank bank. It's like, Gabriel, we all got a spank bank. You know. When I was a kid, it was j Lo, it was Vita Gera. Oh shoot, you mean in your in your rolodex of of of thoughts that you would go through to find

that place. I thought there was an actual spank bank where they were pictured, Like what the uber the real quick? Where is the space? How much money can I pull out? Because because I was a poor, no kind of sewer, so you say spank bank, like I would actually go and audit. Connoisseur. We're gonna end the interview with this. Let's go right back. Let's go right back. Let's go right back to the Mount Rushmore conversation. Let's let's move it. We got the R and B one sorted. Now, let's

go to the porn on Mount Rushmore. Who's the top four erotic cinema stars of all time? Yeah? He said he's a connoisseur. Oh man, I've forgotten some of these names. No you haven't. I have, honestly, just to the ones you remember, oh man, back in the day. And we I mean, we gotta, we gotta go with the Heather Hunter. Heather Hunter was g o g Vanessa del Rio, Yeah, help help. Really, Heather Hunter was like one of the first like black women who popped like like commercially in

the I just didn't know. Yeah, there was another young lady. She was just like skin with green eyes. Uh had a different kind of name. Uh, I'm like the bank early bang bus era. What was her name, obsession? Her name was Obsession, Yeah, Obsessions. She was serious, so serious. And then you got it. I mean you kind of you kind of gotta throw Jada Fire in there. Jada Fire is a legend as well. You fucked me up.

I was so happy. I didn't know none of these people you were talking about to you, said Jada Fire, I didn't know. You kind of gotta go. You gotta go Jada Fire in there. You know that you're like a connoisseur when you run into the male porn stars in public and you're like, yeah, I know you. I used to hang out with mister Marcus, mister Marcus listen. I met uh uh, Brian Pumper. I met Brian Pumper on the flight on his way to LA to try and be somebody. Oh did he have his Brian Pumper

jewels on? This is how it starts okay, okay, this story is hilarious. I'm on the plane flying from New York. The plane is pretty much empty, so I'm in a coach seat in the back. Nobody around me. I got a full row. Everybody kind of like it's a full row. I'm laid back. I'm about to go to sleep. Brian Pumper was I don't think he introduced it. It It was wasn't Brian Pumper at the time, but nobody knew him. It wasn't anybody. He's like, he comes over to my rosie. Hey, man,

I just wanted to say, man, big fan. You know what I'm saying. I love you music, man. She want to introduce myself to you. Man, I'm Brian what everything was right? He's like, man, you know I love your music. Man, I'm actually going to la myself to you know, to trying to hand it music. You know what I'm saying. I was like, Okay, that's dope, man, Well congratulations. And one thing about me, I'll talk to anybody, a conversation with anybody like I don't I don't care you know

what I'm saying. And so he's like, yeah, man, just trying to my hand in music. You know, I rap, you know what I'm saying. I was like, oh you rap? He said, yeah, I rap? And I you know, I'm kind of trying to do the porn on things as well. I was like, yeah, yeah, get to it, get to it. Yeah, use your gifts, right, And he was like, you know, but on my wrap side, I feel like that, you know, there's a there's a there's something missing, you know what I'm saying. I feel like that I could be part

of a crew. I'm like, what what crew do you think you're part of? He said, I feel like I can be part of cash Money and I and I looked at him. I was like, I don't think so. I don't think so. Like I was brutally honest, I don't think so. He's like, he's He's like, I think I can. I said, what do you mean saying? He said, like, my name is will Be bling Man. You know I'm telling you the honest of God truth. I'm telling you honest.

He said, my name is bling Man, right, Like you know how you got how you got the Little Wang song? You know what I'm saying. Every time I comment around in that town, bling blink, I'll just adopt that, and that'll and that'll be me. Like, and I got some writing. You want to hear some of my hooks? I said, sure, sure, bling man, right, I promise you. He runs off about a hundred hooks, and and I was honest with him, and I said, I said, I said, those are trash

those are trashy hooks. You let him say a hundred hooks. It's a flight, it's a flight. I mean we were talking and and I was like, genuinely interested. You know what I'm saying, Like you, bling man, it's a horrible idea. Sounds like a w w F carrot. It works, right, So he's playing me one of I'm like, Nope, that's not it, But what do you think? And he's arguing with me about how why it'll worked and how and

why it should work. And then I'm like, bro, that's not it, Like you need to take your time and do such and such, like if you really, I said, you in a second, you can't wait. Fact jury, that's fake Jerry. You know pumper jewels. Yeah, I said, that's fake, Jery. You have on you can't do that. Two years ago, me and my wife are going to a boba donut place. You know, they're all over the valley, the little donut spots. You know, I'm in line to get a fucking donut.

Brian pumpers in front of me. I tell my, I say, you know that is She said, nah, it's like it's Brian Pumper. She's like, I was like some male porn star. So then she realizes who the fuck did I married and knows what public So I'm like, yo, Brian Pumper was good. You know, he had lugs on, fucking you

know fu. Yeah, So he gets his donut and ship and I watched him walk outside of the donut spot and hop into a two thousand Nissan Sentra that looked like it had just gotten four wheeling in the mud, and it looked like every possession in his entire life since he was ten years old was stuffed into this fucking car. And I was like, oh, Brian Bumper's down bad.

I think he was on. I think he was onto something right because I feel like, I mean, he turned out Lawrence Fitzburns's daughter, but I felt like he was one of the I think he was one of the first guys, at least black guys, to like be on some like independent right type, you know what I'm saying, where like I'm going to do my own thing, my own distribution, and create my own line and get my own He was. He was really trying to, you know,

do this independent thing. And and I think that sometimes when you try to work against the system, you know what I'm saying, The system has a way of of shutting you down, you know what I'm saying. And I think he'd be thriving during only fans times. I think that's I think that, Oh yeah, I think that that that Aids thing that came out, that rumored that came out on him. You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't I don't think those things that ruined him and Pinky,

I don't think. I don't think those things that happened, or those rumors getting out there. I don't think that's, you know, on accident. No, I think it's acidental. Listen, we got to wrap up because Dwight's about to have a right Dwight is fine. Okay, you don't have Dwight move this season six times to get you. He hadads earlier. We got to go to the next pace. You can't by yourself give me some of the You've got the right ship on you. The new album is out R

and B Money and Be Money Man. Listen, and I'm trying to educate people. Buy the album. Go to iTunes and buy the album unless you're going to stream these songs two thousand and five hundred and fifty times. Yep, I need you to buy the album. The number I just said is not a fake number. It's the real number in order to count as one album cell for these seventeen songs. It is a real number. Yeah, if you really want to support the artist these days, you have to go buy it all. Go by We are Thankful,

or buy this? Where can you get this at? Like a CD? Like if someone was like, are we at Target and Walmart? Are we there? I think? I think I think we might be there, but but hit me in the DM. I have some. I have some. You too can be like this man and have a CD and have a physical Yep. I can find a place to play it, but I'm gonna work. There's a radio check down before we can go. I think I have a CD player in my truck. I think the Colnant has a CD player. I'm pretty sure it does. Just

a nice flex call. I think the caling it's got a player, got a call on it. Anyway, I appreciate you