#20 - Reason

to these podcasts. We appreciate it. Check this out episode number twenty. Man. We about to get into episode number twenty. I'm gonna be doing some merch for the twenty fifth episode. I believe we're working on that at the moment. Just

some real dope shit on the way. You know. We we've been typically doing one, trying to do once twice a week, but there's just gonna be a lot more shit coming and then you know, whether it's in interviews, like you know, what we'll do usually is like we'll drop an interview and then we'll have like two or three in the can and we'll be like cool, We're good for the month, but like we're realizing, like we're racking up so many dope interviews that like why hold

on to them? You know what I'm saying. So, no matter what, you're gonna get a new podcast every single week. But like this week, this is the third podcast we dropped this week. You know we did, uh, what do we do on Monday? Well, we did Fredo Bang on Wednesday? And on Monday we did Somebody I got all am I? What am I? Am? I tripping? Who do we drop on Monday? Now? I gotta look this shit up. Man, this is embarrassing. Man, it's my own shit. Oh Blast only Blast. So we did Blast on Monday, we did

Fredo Bang on Wednesday. Today's Friday, we got Reason Top Dogs own Carson's Own. So let me tell you how this interview went down. Man, we interviewed him earlier this week. I listened to the whole album. His album dropped today and it is a very very If you are a hip hop fan, then you will love this album. There's some incredibly deep records on here. The album is called New Beginnings. I guess it's technically a mixtape project. Whatever.

He's not considering this his album, but it's like fourteen goddamn songs, but reasons album New Beginnings is out. We talked to him. I believe it's Monday or Tuesday, and you know, I was like, look, let's drop this thing the day your album drops, because we really dived into this project. I'm already seeing, by the way, like he's getting a lot of flak for the mac Miller and when I heard it, I kind of knew that was gonna happen. So we went in de bonk. No, just

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with reason. It's the Bootleg Cab Podcast. Bootleg Cab Podcast. Uh yo, Reason is here man, one of the greatest. I appreciate that. Yeah, Man, last time you came to the radio station and you did that freestyle for us, I was out of town. I think it was. I was in Hawaii. Yeah, yeah, so yo. But yo, man, it's good to have you here. Bro. I've been sitting with your album since you said it to me last night. I appreciate it. Incredible out of your work. Thank you,

thank you. There was like two songs on there that we're back to back. It was fall and the song after Fall down Slow Down. That was like, you know, that's like my back to back, Like I was like, shit, like just very very like introspective, like just great storytelling.

Like we'll get into those records, but I want to I want to just kind of you know, you've been dropping songs I feel like for the last year or so, and they're all on this project, but not not everyone, not everyone here exactly, but but like three or four of them, yeah, like three or four of them talk about where you're at right now and why is you know, why are we finally getting you know, TD we having to wait for motherfuckers on you know what I'm saying.

It's funny because it's like that's the mode. It's kind of like not necessarily to make people wait, but just to perfect hold on DJ heads calling me in the middle of Hey, you know I'm doing an interview with you. Why are you always interrupting my ship? Why are you always interrupting my ship? Because this is life. I need you to be on some put a shirt on ship. That's what I need you to. Let me hit you

back after this, buddy. Anyway, I gotta answer DJ heads like my wife, I got it like something could be on fire right now. That's my dog. That's my dog. But yeah, that's kind of been like the mode is to just make sure that we perfect, you know what I mean, quality over quantity. But I also feel like, you know, the world being in the state that it was in was kind of weird too. You know. We were supposed to drop last year but just uh, you know,

trying to make sure that everything was right. And then when we were gonna drop this earlier this year in March, you know, COVID hit of course, and then we were gonna drop again. When we finally understood like okay, like let's just do it. You know, we're gonna go in June. Then a lot of the black Black Lives Matter stuff and people were passing, and we just felt like it would be disrespectful to me pushing music at that. So it was just like a lot of adjusting, you know

what I mean, in real life. And I feel like people forget sometimes that because we're TD, that like we got to adjust to like we don't just work on our own, you know what I mean, merit or whatever the case may be. So and we respect the things that's going on, but I think we had a good place now, like the whole label, you know what I mean. And I'm proud to be the one to start kicking it off. Give me some of your background, man, Like, obviously you're from Carson. I had heard of you before

you were working with TD. You were you know, I would say, like, you know, like if you were tapped in with two Dope Boys and some of the blogs, like you were familiar with what you were doing. And then TDE became a part of the situation and that just kind of made shit like super big. But how long have you been making music? Man? Like, when did you first start taking this rap shit series? I actually blessed, blessed enough. I actually only been making music for six years,

so I started in twenty fourteen. Wow. Yeah, yeah, And I've been heavy into music just because I liked it, Like I just liked lyricists and rappers that, you know what I mean, really rapped about stuff and whatnot. So I was super heavy into that. And then I played ball and I was supposed to go to Greece to play basketball out there, and then one day I just I just kind of fell out of love with it on a business level because I was like, you know, I love basketball, but I don't really want to do

a business thing with it. And so I just called my agent and I was just like, now I'm probably not gonna go. And then where you was at and that was like the beginning of twenty fourteen, so that was like the beginning twenty fourteen. I was still in college. So I called him told him that. And then there was a part of me that like, and that's kind of what new beginning symbolizes, and we'll get into that.

But there was a part of me that I was kind of scared to do that because basketball was my comfort. I knew that I can go make money playing basketball, Like I knew that like anything else I can do, I can rent, there's anything else I can do. I can go play basketball and make some money. And I was like, do I really want to give up this comfort you know what I'm saying, in this comfort zone or whatever, to do something else and potentially fail, you know what I mean. And so I ended up making

a decision. And even after I told him, I still was kind of like fifty to fifty. I called him some days and be like, well, wait, hold on. Then when I graduated and I wrote a song called Letter to God, which is like my second song that I wrote, and I sent it to my brother and we listened to it, and after that that was that song kind of got me over the fear. I was like, I'm I think I'm really good at this ship. Let me just try it. Yeah, exactly. So where did you go to?

Where did you play basketball? Is that a D two called Northwestern State in Iowa. There's like a swarm of Northwestern's in the Midwest. It's like Northwestern, Oklahoma, Northwestern. I feel like there's a million Northwestern. There's a bunch of Northwestern. Yeah, it's like this little like weird yeah, middle of nowhere. It was awful. So were you at a point guard? Because I'm not tall enough to you? Yeah, be anything else?

One hundred Yeah. I mean it's it's crazy because I like that basketball hustle, like you said, like going to Greece like I got. I got some homies who live in Europe and who hoop and like you said, like it's like, you know, if you love basketball and you're like, like you're good, Like there's always like always a place to make me. Now you're rent, there's always a way to make money. And if you could pay your rent playing basketball, bro, it's like and that was my thing.

I'm like, like I'm seeing all my homies, like you know, work jobs and stuff, and they hate their job, and I'm like, like, even though I might not like where I'm at over there, at least I like my job, like you know what I'm saying, and I can pay my rent doing it or whatever the case may be. But I had just had two nieces and I was in Iowa for two years and I wanted to come

back home. I went through like a little racial situation out there with my coach, and it was just like I was just like, you know, I don't know if I'm ready to leave again, you know what I mean. And so that was kind of like part of the influence behind it was I don't know if I'm ready to leave. And then on top of that, I was using music as as like therapy. Like I was writing

out there just to kind of pass the time. Because I was out there, it was only me and like six other black people at the school, so I didn't really have nobody year. I didn't really have nobody to talk to relate to. So I was just kind of writing as kind of like a therapeutical thing, and I started liking it. So I was like, man, let me

just you know, record a couple things. So I came home on spring break and recorded a couple of records, and that's kind of when I decided, like, you know, I'm just gonna do this and see how works out. When you say you had a racial situation with your coach, what happened. Basically, I had a coach that I mean, he was racist to to you know, keep it keep yeah, to keep it funky. We used to have it was

me and three other black players. We used to have black only meetings before the games that you guys conducted or that they He would be like, I just want to meet with the three black guys and talk to them about how they need to play to fit into like this role. Like and then he would like say the N word to us, like metaphorically, like so not at us, but he's still saying it. Right. One time he used this example where he was like, you know, he was like, white people are the brain, Black people

are the soul. Mexicans are the heart because you know, they work hard and you know, make everything go. He was like, when you put all three of them together, it's a beautiful thing. But if you had to pick one, wouldn't you rather be the brain like that? Like, well, to be honest, if he wanted to use that reference, I would argue that Asian, Yeah, And I would also argue that, you know, the heart's kind of just as important as you know, white people might be like the

kneecapps or something. I don't know. I feel like we're not bringing a lot to the table at twenty twenty, not in twenty twenty. Right now, shit's fucked up, man A thousand cent. So yeah, Like I went through that situation, and it's funny even with that situation, like the NAACP was getting involved and stuff, and it was about to be big, and I was younger, and so if I had my brain that I had now, I would have carried it all the way through and went because I

feel like I could have changed some things over. It's an intimidating fight for a yeah. Yeah, Like when I was in I was just like, bro, I just want to go home. Bro, Like, if y'all can make it to where I can go home after the season and just like work, do my school work from home and come back to graduate and leave again, then like we got a deal. And my mom didn't want me to do that. She wanted me to stay and fight, but I just ended up saying like, you know, like I

just want to come home. So that's what they let

me do. After the season was over, I went home, I worked from home, did all my school work from home since it Then they kind of just passed me because they were just like like we don't want to get yeah, we don't want no smoke like so I was kind of just turning in whatever guy's still coaching he is Unfortunately there is Unfortunately yeah Fuyeah, And if you've been to that town, it's like it's one of those places that it's like, bro, nothing that never changed

here because there's nothing there, Like there's nothing there to make it. You get what I'm saying, like change, and that's the reason why that is one regret that I do have. I hate having regrets in life. But if I could go back, I would fight that, you know what I mean, because he doesn't need to be culching, like just to be completely Hey, put his name out there so people can you know, I honestly legally can't. Oh you legally can't. Well, the coach of yeah, Northwestern Iowa,

U cocksucker. It's not hard to find though, Like people can look at fine. Yeah, people can look in fine with college y'all went to for sure for sure. But yeah, it's unfortunate. Yeah, it's crazy and just really quick. The crazy thing about it is that so he has a nephew that's in the NBA right now that is complete opposite, like he does like podcasts and stuff about racial discrimination against black white and a white guy JJ Redick. I

told you, I can't. I can't say what it is, but like it's crazy the opposite though, like he is, like his nephew is like hard working fighting against like racial discrimination. We'll talk about it. I listened to JJ Red's podcast. He has he actually does have a great podcast. I just got hip to it like recently. Yeah that's dope. Man. Yeah, I'm a huge basketball guy, so I actually don't listen

to as much. Man. It sucks because I listened to like certain ship, like I like gravitate to an album and then I'm just stuck with it, like I'm still listening to fucking like Freddie Gives an Alchemist Alfredo, which was incredible tough for sure, but and then like outside of that, I'm just I'm just listening to sports talk radio like a degenerate sports gambler. But yeah, man, that's that's wild. I didn't know that about you, bro, Yeah, you know it was. It was a crazy situation, you

know what I mean. And it's, uh, it's weird because like when I write music, I never know what I'm gonna touch on. So I feel like one day it's something that I'm going to touch on, but I never come into songs like purposely, and so I'm just like one day it'll come spilling out and not talk about it, you know what I mean. So yeah, yeah, no, that's wild. I think that I think that's some or too for you to share that because I'm sure there's people who

are going through maybe similar situations. Maybe not on a basketball team, but yeah, like whether it's their boss or corporate environments anything. Yeah. Man, it's just fucked up right now, like and get people got to stand up for what's right. Bro. Yeah yeah, I mean, but I will say in twenty twenty, because of how chaotic it is, like there always has to be balanced, and I feel like like there's more than ever, more white people than ever that's trying to understand.

And I always tell black people in general, like, you know, don't criticize white people that are trying to understand that maybe don't understand it, because that's step one. You know what I'm saying, is them trying to the understand it.

I think that what sucks about right now is like kind of what you just said, Like if there's no nuance and there's no room for progress and if it's like a yo, fuck you off the rip because you're not exactly where I want you to be as opposed to like you're trying, you're trying, you know, Like you

know what I'm saying. I think that that's there's two opposite ends up the spectrum, and I think that's the other opposite end of the spectrum where it's like, you know, there's people who, like you said, like they might not have known about I mean, and what's craziest, Yeah, it's crazy, But it's like you have to understand that people's reality are their reality. Like some people genuinely are unaware, like yeah, this stuff was going on, but they didn't know what

they didn't know. They didn't know that it was like and I tell people all the time, like you got to be understanding bro to people people's environments, like you know what I mean, Like there's people out there that they have nothing against black people, but they literally might not have a black person in their life. There might be people who just don't grow up like in that environment.

Like there's people who grow up in fucking Salt Lake City and all they know is like white Mormon kids, you know, because you know, and if they're trying to be empathetic, I just think that they're we're losing like a lot of nuance in the world where it's like you're either this or you're this. Yeah, but what if you're like here or here, like you know what I'm saying, You're trying to get here, you know what I'm saying.

I think even politically, it's just fucked up because I feel like you can't, like I can criticize Joe Biden and still say I'm voting for Joe Biden, you know what I'm saying, Like I I don't fuck with Joe Biden really, but I'm not voting for Donald Trump exactly,

like you know what I'm saying. But I can let like there's like nuance, like you got to be able to like, you know, ask questions and be critical and just because you're critical doesn't mean like you ain't you ain't for whatever the fuck you know what I'm saying exactly what the issue is that we're in an environment right now where it's like everybody jumps out the window for everything. Like it's like you can't be you can't

even have a conversation about something. It's like you got to pick, you know what I'm saying, Like you have to pick what it is right now, and if you don't and you even play defense, then it's like, you know, then they're just gonna label you like okay, well then you're over here, you know what I'm saying. And so yeah, like I was like a big Bernie Sanders supporter and and I have people like dig up tweets I said about Joe Biden like Yo, man, you fucking you don't

even fuck with this. I'm like yeah, like obviously I'm not like crazy about Joe Biden, Like he's probably the least candidate on that side that I would lock out. But you know what the other side is terrible fucking hitler, you know, like the worst possible shit in the world, Like I would vote for like any more, like literally anyone else, Like it could be George W. Bush, Like I'm running the g dub vote, you know what I'm saying,

Like fucking run I rack back. Joe Biden would have to personally put out an attack on my family for me to Joe Biden would have to put out like an entire like this album, like just dissing every race, ethnicity, sexual Come on, bro, Like it's crazy. Nah that that's dope though. Man. So the fact you didn't start making music till twenty fourteen, Now, were you writing before that or was it something that like it was like I

wasn't really writing. I have some homeboys that rapped, and I would like like kind of be with them in the studio just on some kicking and shit, and I would kind of like be like, oh, you know, you should say this, you should say that. I used to always tell me like you kind of like you kind of tight like words and shit like that, you know

what I mean. But it was never something that I was taking in any type of way, recording and nothing like that, just because when I when I focus on something and this is a good thing and a flaw, I'm like tunnel vision when I focus on shit. So I can't do basketball and music. I can't do music and something else, you know what I'm saying. Like it's like I have to focus on one thing, and you know what I mean. Like that's just kind of how

I am. So I wasn't able to really do it until basketball was off the table, you know what I mean. And so and it shows that way. But I've been blessed because things have just kind of worked very fast, you know, in comparison to other people that happen. I mean, you're one of the Jedis man, Like, you're one of

those guys. It's like you know what you're getting with reason, you know, that's that's love and that's that's I mean, six years is not a long time man, especially in hip hop, Like the people have been doing this shit for twenty years before we you know, we know who they are, you know what I'm saying. That's wow. So twenty fourteen, you start making music, you leave the basketball shit alone. Yeah, what was the in your opinion, the moment that you realized there were some eyes on you

that like, Okay, this is this actually really might work. Yeah. Yeah, I remember I was doing this thing called Reason Fridays where I just like freestyle every Friday, and I was putting it out and it was leading it was actually leading up to there you have it. So I dropped like ten of them, like ten weeks in a row leading up to the drop of that project, and like around the eighth one, things just kind of started picking up. Like first I got posted by like a couple of

professional athletes that Brandon Jenning shout out to him. Yeah, he looked out Todd Gurley. It was a couple of dudes. And then then Baller Alert posted me, and then after that like a few like low level label reps started reaching out and we had a couple of meetings. So that's kind of what I realized that some eyes were on me. But then I started talking to a dude named Tubby. Sean Holladay shout out to Tubby. He was

like the first high level executive. He was the VP of A and rs AT I want to say Sony time. And he brought me into his office and played him a bunch of records. I played him Better Days, and after Better Days, he was like, if you can get me like six more of these, like then like you know, we can we can go. But things never kind of progressed just because you know, labels And this is no offense to Tubby at all. Like I love Tubby because he was actually one of the first people to like

start talking to people about me. But labels, the big labels, they don't really want to develop artists. They kind of want to keep an eye on you until you kind of start bubbling, you know what I mean. They want all the ground where they come in and they put exactly you get what I'm saying, like, and so you know, that was kind of where Tubby was. He was like, you know, like I just want him to kind of

get cracking first, you know what I mean. And what's crazy is that Tubby sent my music to top and he wanted to do a joint deal with Top because he was like, you know, I'm not gonna get him cracking, but I know Top can get him cracking, and he wants to do a joint deal with Top, but Top doesn't two joint deals. So Top never even listened to my ship. Like he was just like as soon as Tubby started talking about a joint deal, he was just like, well,

you know, I'm not interested. And then when I met Top years later, Top Diggs and his emails and it's the same songs that I'm playing them in the studio. He like, wow, like this ship has really hit the unopened email. Like, yeah, I think that that is one dope thing about TD, you know, is the the development process. You know, like they there's a dope young MC who you guys have under your roster that I've known for

a long time. He's wearing the chain. I don't know if it's official, so I'm not gonna say his name, but like, I mean, he's been on the label about a year and like just working, yeah, yeah, you know, working on his craft and they got he showed me some videos that y'all shot, and like, you know, it's like that kind of like attention to detail and like you know that ship is as a fan, it could be frustrating, yeah, from the fans perspectives, because I'm like,

I need a fucking Isaaver shot album? Bro. By the way, glad he's on the album, but but no, just in general, I just think that that's something then that's that's that's missing from the game and the process now because like you know, like you said, man, these labels low key are kind of holing everybody man because they want you to do everything. Yeah. Yeah, and then once it gets to a certain point. Now obviously once the label comes involved, like there are looks and radio play, you know, there's

things that that that they can offer that people still can't. Right, There's there are still some things. But like if you're like, you know, I would just say most artists just keep grinding, grind a little longer, build up, build up your uh you know, your your uh, your leverage with these fools a thousand percent. Like I tell people that all the time, Like, if you if you don't have a sitution, like sign up with a major label. To me, in this day

and age, it's just not smart. Now if you're gonna sign with like a uh, well, when you don't have the leverage if you because you're gonna get a really bad deal. You're gonna get a really bad deal regardless, there's nothing. You don't matter how talented you are, you could be Michael Jackson, You're gonna get a really really bad deal. So to me, as smart, the sign with like some of these lower management companies and stuff like that, like shout out to lvr N, they're doing an incredible job.

They're killing it. Yeah, you know what I mean, they're killing it. You know, the tds, the Dreamvilles, whoever it is. You know a lot of people look at TD A is a major and we're not, you know what I mean, we're independently. Yeah. No, That's why I've been trying to tell people. It's like, Yo, if you're on TD, that doesn't mean you're like Scope. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,

so you're just strictly TD, just strictly TD. So exactly, and the same thing with me, like we're trying to build up leverage that way, when we do take it to a major, we get the deal that we want, you know what I mean, we get the situation we want which top is top. He can get whatever he wants. But at the same time, it's it's mo organic to be able to build that up and show your value first, you know what I mean When you first became involved with TD, like I feel like, what's dope about a

brand like TD? A brand like Dreamville is like their fans are so open, like open armed, like yeah, you're one of us now, yeah, so you automatically step into like to like twenty thousand die hard right like did you see that right away? Like two one thousand percent? Like TD fans are like the they're the dopest, most

crit overly critical in the world smart hip hop. They're smart hip hop fans and sometimes almost too smart, Like when I because I talked to a lot of my fans sometimes to a fart, like my managers tell me, like, you know, I gotta be more ducckt off, But but I talked to them because I am a fan too

and I want to know how they feel. But sometimes I tell them, I'm like, yo, y'all listen to music sometimes and don't enjoy it, like because you're too busy like being critical or trying to decode what it is, like you're not even like like like roller Blunt. Yeah, listen, it's music, you know, I mean, it's entertainment. But nah, shout out to all the TV fans and the Dream Beale fans. I went tour with G I D And realize that a lot of them cross over, you know what I mean, like a lot of them do they

definitely love both of us? Yeah, what was what was the record that caught tops attention? Do you remember like which record or what it was that like, yeah that got you that meeting with Top? Yeah, well better Days is the one that really really caught tops attention. But the one that made Top feel like, Yo, like this dude can like make records because that's Top's big thing right now. It's like, yeah, you can wrap it, can you make me? Can you make records? Exactly? And it

was on there you have It. It It was called fuck with Me, And when he heard that record, he was like yo, like yeah, this dude, he can go you know what I mean. And it wasn't even we weren't even supposed to sign like Moosa was taking me to him. We were actually supposed to be doing something with Dave Gross. Shout out to Dave Gross. He do a lot of stuff with Nip, and we were supposed to be doing like a little partnership deal with Dave and Dave shows a lot of love and he was gonna help me

build up a little bit. And then the plan was to go to Top, and Moose kept listening to the music that I had, and without me even saying so, he just took it to Top. And then Top was like, you know, like let's sit down and have a meeting. And I was playing music for like an hour, Tops not bobbing his head or nothing, like they're not giving me nothing like he's showing Moose memes and shit, I'm

like some most disrespectful me. That's the worst when you're playing someone music and they're on their out of my eye trying to like see if he's fucking with it, like he's just not. And then fuck with me played and that was the first time that he kind of like put his phone down and start bobbing his head. And so I leave the meeting. I'm low key like depressed.

I'm like that shit did not go well. And Most tells me, he like, no, you gotta understand, my pops, Like if he didn't like it, you would you wouldn't have been here for a hour, like he don't. He don't do that, you know what I mean. He was like, so, you know, he was like a deal might not happen today or next month or whatever, but you know, like let's just keep working and go back to Dave and Recoop and we'll come back. And then like three days later,

Mos called me. He was like, I think my pop's gonna sign you, and I was just like, what the fuck, Like this is crazy, you know what I mean. And so it happened way faster than I thought. And you know, that was also part of the reason why I feel like it took a little longer for me to drop some stuff after I signed, because me and Top still had to get to know each other as people, you get what I'm saying, Because it's such a people label, Yeah for sure. Yeah, so we had to still build that,

you know what I mean. But it's a family business. People forget that, Like, yeah, yeah, it's a family business. Like Top, will I sign you if he don't, if he don't personally fuck with you, he'll just take you and get you signed somewhere else and get a piece of contract like yeah, sh exactly and everything. No, that's crazy. Yeah, I think that, uh, you know, it's been dope to see your development because you've been dope for so long. And I think that your I feel like this album

is like you're coming out party, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, that's how That's how I approached it too. There's so many things happened over the last couple of years, Like, you know, I think that that Lambeau Truck record was so fucking special. On that Dreamville album obviously, you know, like you said, you went on tour with with j I D. And like, you know, you've been just kind of like it's been like a tumbleweed, just accumulating more

and more like momentum. And I think that, you know, now's the time talk about the album, man, because there's a lot of personal shit on the album. There's a lot of moments on the project that were like like oh fuck, moments like damn, this shit is like crazy, like thank you? How did you approach this shit? Did you approach it kind of like, you know, because you didn't tell all your story obviously, yeah. Yeah, and I didn't even completely dive all the way into it. It's

funny some of the more person ones. We're records that were supposed to be on my debut album that I'm working on right now. So I consider this like a project. So this is like a mixtape. It's like a mixtape kind of and what I consider it's funny because I hate when artists do that, but now I'm that guy, that guy. I'm definitely that guy. But yeah, it's kind of like a mixtape or a project or a collection

of songs. And it's funny because when we made it, we were like, damn, we need some shit for like the core fans, like cause it's not personal enough, you know what I mean. And that's kind of when we added, uh the slow downs and the gossips and the falls and then Windows Crow didn't get added until Top called and wanted to add it, which is crazy because of the content on there. But Top called and was like, nah, that should be the outro. So that's kind of how

we put it together. But I approached it from a celebratory, like stant like like point of view, because there you have. It dropped originally in twenty sixteen, and so I got a bunch of Day one fans that's been riding with me. And they see me, they see me get signed and we redropped. There you have it, and they're like, yay, that's great for you, but like, where's the where's the new music? We've been We've been heart this shit, And so I wanted to give them something that I felt

like they would want to hear. So I approach it like I'm not even a feature heavy type of artist, but I was like, okay, you know what do I want to hear as a fan? You know what I mean? I always want to hear zamg In on a record together, like let me go do that, you know what I mean? Rap City for the rap heads is like fire fire, you know what I mean? Yeah, she went crazy. It's my favorite feature on the shit. So when it did that, I was like, you know, let me take care of home,

let me bring soul out the cave. So we did trapped In, we did Flick it Up. Trapped In didn't make it, but Flick it Up of course made it. So I approach it from that standpoint, like from a fan standpoint, and let's make fun records, Let's make you know what I mean, Let's get dope features, let's get shited like that. Dope production, and then we came back and at it the personal elements, and so that's kind of how I attacked it from putting it together as

a whole project. Yeah, on the album Falls, a record that I thought was really dope, because you know, the first verse is you wrapping from the perspective of like an upcoming female artist who you know, And I do think that that's something that's kind of unsett in music. Like I even think, like when we think of female mcs, like I think, like, and it's unfortunate, like Rhap City's on the album, and rhap City, to me is the best to me female and one of the best overall overall.

Like I think she's like top five at very very minimum, top ten MC's period. No, No, she's like, yeah, she's up there, but like as a female, she's like that, She's like, yeah, she's But I feel like it sucks because she's not overly sexualized. People don't give her that respect. And that's not like I give her that respect, but I feel like because she's not an overly sexualized female artist,

she doesn't get the respect that she deserves. And that's just kind of like the world we're fucking in like you know what I'm saying. It's it's tough, like but I thought that was dope, like like, was there anybody in mind like when you wrote that, Like like you don't got to see aybody's name, but was there some

well actually rap that's how we met. So on that verse on on Fall, which I personally think is the most important record on the album, because of that that verse about female MC's and about and the second verse yeah, and the second verse too as well, you get what I'm saying. And uh, but unfortunately, because of what we just talked about, I was a late Rahps City fan. I didn't get put onto Layla's wisdom. And I'm on tour with rock and I'm listening and I'm like, yo,

what the fuck? Like like she is crazy? Yeah, her and Kendrick had been putting in work for like ten year, and I didn't. I was just wasn't hip, you know what I mean. And so I wrote the verse and I actually even say on the verse, I say I had a combo with Layla's share share sharing some of her wisdom when we came to kick it with me.

So I wrote it from her perspective and I didn't write the second verse yet, and she was following me on Twitter, and so I just reached out to her and was like, hey, I wrote a verse about you, like I just want to send it to you so that you could hear it, like it's special to me. And I sent it to her and she called me and she said that she started tearing up listening to her because she she had stories about that where people were talking to her and telling her how she needs

to like sexualize herself a little bit more. She was just trying to stick to the core. And she said, you know, that whole she just wanted to be an artist, like she felt that because that's all she She was like, I just wanted to rap and make music, you know what I mean. And so that's how we made our connection. And then after that, a couple months later, it was when I said her, I can make it, and then you know, we ended up doing that. So she was

definitely the one that was on them. So she was she was she was the main behind that entire Yeah, for sure, I saw I thought that when I heard it. I was like, Yo, this ship like just reminds me of like like cause I've been a Rhapsody fan for so long. Yeah, and you know it's just I was like, how is she not more respected? And it's really like it's just because we have such a shallow industry that we're in and really just like fans are so also

shallow money. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, not every fan, like you know, it's unfortunate, and you know I used to be guilty of that when I was like younger, you know what I'm saying, Like, but I definitely think like that's an important verse and then even the second verse, and this is something that I think is finally I feel like starting to kind of

die out. I feel like a lot of the young artists that I'm meeting aren't drugged out of their minds exactly, but for like two or three years bro, like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, last year, like it's it was rough because everybody we would have come by the radio station would be fucking high as fuck and no understanding the damage.

Like and that's why to me that that song, like I said, to me, the most important record on the on the project, because it's like, not only is this industry affecting, like the quote unquote street niggas that come in and how they are with drugs and stuff like that too. But that's the reason why even though he's so loved and I love him too, you know, rest in peace, mc miller. That's why I mentioned his name. Was, Yeah,

I heard you mention his name. I wonder if you're going to catch some flat for that, Yeah, and I might. But at the at the end of the day, like I pride myself on being like one of the more more honest artists out here, and I love mc miller, and and it's a it's a tragedy what happened. But the reason why I mentioned his name was to show the industry, like it's for the people that's gonna say, well, it's just these artists that are affected by it, the ones that comes, and it's not this is just the

It's not just the littles. This is a great kid. Hill was like one of the great. He was like one of the great and a great kid and a great guy and a nice guy in this industry in my opinion, you know what I mean, destroy him. And they're not just the young boys. It's not just the young boys. And that was the reason why I did it. I was like, you know, there's a chance that I could catch some flat. But I feel like this is so important for people to understand. Is that, like it's

not just the littles. It's like this industry affects everybody, especially the kids that are stars young like Mac Miller has been in this shit since he was like eight, you know what I mean. So it's like when you grow up in this industry, you almost don't even have a shot unless we start changing how we approach kids, Like these are kids, bro, you know what I mean, And we're putting certain things in front of their face

and expecting them. You know, how are you, as a fifteen year old, gonna be in the studio with one of your idols and he offered you a blunt and not hit the blunt? Like you know what I'm saying.

Like it is so it's like we got to start taking more accountability or like if you're yet and like you said, I mean, weed is one thing, but like how are you going to be in the studio with whoever and let's say they got zams or they're sniffing lines, like bro, and these are your idols, You're like, I don't want to look like the guy that's like you know what I mean, Like it's the running joke like, oh, Snoop pass me a blood, I don't smoke, but Snoop past me a blood, Like you know what I'm saying,

Like that's like I've been, I've done that, but I do smoke. Yeah, but I also like, yeah, I'm like Snoop passages like how are you not going to do exactly people? But but it's like, yeah, I think that, you know, I've been, I've been kind of you know. Shout Out to Future is one of my favorite artists, but I was kind of critical of him pretty heavily when it came to like just the narrative he was

pushing and he's living his true through his music. But I just think that there was just an air of and it's still going on, you know, but I just feel like there's this whole way of kids that were just influenced by by like that that kind of ship. Like I think I think, you know, the fact like mask Off was such a big song. The whole hook is a back purpose number one rec I got right

is playing. Yeah, it's playing twenty thousand times a day on the radio, bro, and they're not bleeping out Moley birth is that they're not bleeping it out, Yeah exactly, And that's my whole thing is like like for me, it's like, you know, I never I never mind catching flak if it's something that I stand on and it's

in my morals, you ge what I'm saying. Like, And that's not to say that I'm perfect, because you know there's times that I rap about you know what I mean, smoking or drinking or whatever in case I may be because I do it, But I also tell the other sides of the story as well. And that's all I say for people is like, you know, everybody live your truth, you know what I mean, But understand that like when you when you're giving money and fame and all this stuff,

like you still hold a certain level of responsibility. And if it's artists that I am genuinely enjoying I'm a fan of, I'm always gonna hold you accountable regardless. And that doesn't mean that I don't like you, you know what I mean. It just means that I'm holding you accountable because you're in a position that you know, you are a role model to somebody, you know, what I mean.

And if your fans, if I catch flackpard in your fans, you know, feel some type of way about it, I'm okay with it if it's something that I morally stand on, you know what I mean. So that's kind of where I'm at with it. Also on the project, you talk about losing losing a child. Yeah, the issue of you know, abortion. I think that's something that I never personally went through, but I know, you know a lot a lot of

people have. Yeah, yeah, And I haven't really heard anybody really dive into that issue on record since, Like there was a comment in Lauryn Hill record when I was a kid that was like crazy, But yeah, why was that important to address? Because I feel like that's something that, you know, man, that's a deep issue to dive into. Bro. Yeah. Yeah,

for me, it's funny. As a defense mechanism, I do this thing where when I go through stuff that bothers me, I just kind of forget about it, And so writing about it was actually like the first time I even

talked about it. Like I didn't even tell my brother as close as we are that that happened, just because I just kind of wanted to forget about it, and unfortunately it was in a situation where there wasn't a lot of love in that situation, and you know, I, you know, was the person that you know, didn't didn't necessarily like like tell her to do it, but at the same time was definitely like a guide trying to lead her like this is going to mess up my

life or whatever the case may be. And I regretted it, not because I wanted a kid at the time, but just because of the fact that, you know, this is something that is so sacred to a woman, and a woman should be able to have that, you know what I mean, which she still ultimately had that choice, but I was being guiding and so that's why I talk about it in the record, to hold myself accountable and say, like I need to grow up, like that's that's childish

to have that mindset. That's childish to be that way and to think that way, you know what I mean. And so how long was that that was probably like shit, like two and a half years ago, oh shit, yeah recent, yeah, yeah exactly. And so for me, it was just like, you know, I wanted to hold myself accountable for that and speak about it and just for anybody else that's in that situation to know, like, you know, men have to be men, and you make the bed, you gotta lie in it, you know what I mean. And it

should be her choice. And if she wants to do that, then cool. If she doesn't want to do it, then cool, But it should always be their choice, you know what I'm saying. So I wanted to hold myself accountable or that, Yeah, no,

I think that that's some real shit. Like I think that you know if you're like, uh, like your guide in your narrative, like hey, look we don't work with each other, like you know what I'm saying, Like you know what I mean, And sometimes like you're pretty much saying like, look I really gonna be around like that,

you know what I mean. And then that kind of influences her decision and you know, as opposed to just being like it's on you you want to do exactly like you know where we are, Like she doesn't need you to remind you mind, you of where you guys are, you know what I'm saying. So that's my whole thing. It's like, you know, y'all can have a completely have an adult conversation about what the circumstances are and all of that. I think that that part should always be had,

you know what I mean. But it shouldn't be a guiding conversation, you know what I mean. It should be just a conversation around where we are, you know, money, situation, love and for sure, and then you know, ultimately you make your decision. Isn't you make your decision? How did the Showstop record come together with the Kendrick we'll call him Adelte Yeah kind of like yeah, yeah, yeah, cause that was like a shout out rock I kind of took a swag on that. I saw Wind going crazy.

I was like, I need some I need some ad libs right right right right right right yeah by the way. Yeah, but no, like how did uh like, did you just grab those vocals from like a session or did he come in and nah? Yeah, that sounded like the record from the Black Panthers soundtrack with Travis? Was it off

of that? Not? The ideas were birth though from that and when it was birth from those records, and I had show Stop already and we were already talking about it being a single, and I was trying to get a verse. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, exactly, of course, like I'm a swing for the fences. I was trying to get a verse, but I started to slowly realize in the conversation that ad libs are more reasonable, you

know what I'm saying. And it's funny cause fans be giving me slacked it like, oh, Kendricks, Oh he just hit the ad libs. I'm like, it took me six months to get these ad libs, Like y'all better enjoy these ad libs, like it took me a long time to get those ad libs from dot you know what I mean, like to a point where I thought they

weren't coming. And it's funny because even when he get the ad libs, he did a whole track of him and I still like, we're like taking some and plugging them in different places and stuff like that, because he hit me and he was like, you know, like I did the ad libs, but it feels a little crowded.

And then when I sent him the record back, you know, we plugged him in certain places, he was like, Okay, cool, that feels more natural or whatever, because he even when he sent them to me, he didn't really like how it sounded, so he wasn't gonna want it to come out that way, you know what I mean, And so I had to rearrange him and make it feel like a record and then, uh, you know, he gave me

his blessing on it. But yeah, shout out to do. Yeah, it's crazy because you would think, like coming to TD, like, I feel like fans expect you to just get the automatic Kendrick record. Yeah. I think that's happened for a while. Man, Like they think it's like and that's what I like, y'all think it's been like that for a very long time. They think it's like a TD castle you walk in

and then you just get records from everybody. I'm like, the feature like it was hard to get the que a fucking menu or something like its Q record is crazy though, thank you. The first he did not make me play. I'm glad he didn't because I'm horrible and golf. But uh nah, that was actually one of the ones that my manager chem is he also manages Q, and so he pitched it to him and but I didn't. I wasn't sure if he was gonna do it, you

know what I mean. But he came through and he killed that shit though, fuck with Q, man, because Q will all like, it don't matter if you're major, Like if he fucks with you, like, he'll do the verse exactly. And if he's like in that headspace like I like Q because it's like that one thing. If he fucks with you, he'll do the verse. And then also like if Q was working, like he's working and you know what I mean, show like you'll have like I remember

I had. I was listening to like like Burner Styles p album and that food was on there, and I'm like, man, that's why I cused the Realist because he'll tap in with whoever, like I know him and Freddy got some ship on the way that I just heard. That's crazy. I'm already knowing that's probably crazy, super crazy. But I need to give Freddy or some ship shout out to Freddy. Freddie is hard bro. What'll make it happen? Man? Yeah, no,

I definitely need to do that. All right, So the album comes out, well, let's just we're gonna drop this on Friday, so it's like being nice. So so the album is out. Because the album's out, the albums out, go listen to new Beginners right now? Can we Hey, okay, so can we can we talk about the Logic lines? Yeah, yeah, let's do it. I've known Logic for a very long time. I don't take him as a culture vulture. Now. Obviously I'm a white man in hip hop, so you know,

you can think what you want about that. Yeah, but you know, I kind of have known dude since about twenty thirteen, and you know, I know him as like a hardcore hip hop fan. Like that's how me and him connected was through conversations about like a quimini, you know, just just a lot of rap shit. Yeah, he seems like, I mean, he's a very disliked guy the last five or six years. But what is what's the issue with

Logic and why did he get that those bars? Or for me, it's funny because that's the misunderstanding of the line. And I learned a good lesson on that. I learned two lessons timing as far as reading the room and also like if you're going to say something, you need to kind of go in a little bit more detail. When I rap, I just kind of rap about what I'm feeling at the time. So I too, have loved Logic since like damn near twenty ten and kind of going off for what we said earlier, like if I'm

a fan of you, I hold you accountable. A lot of fans thought that I was saying he's a culture vulture of hip hop. That's not what I was talking about, you know what I'm saying. And so from a hip hop standpoint, you can't talk about the last ten years of hip hop without talking about Logic, like he's he's in that category. You know, he's not as big as Kindrick in them, but he's in that category. That yeah,

one thousand percent. So what I was speaking about was the fact that Logic is a black man, and Logic is somebody that has talked about black plight, black struggle. That's what he talked about in his come up. And then when he got to a certain album, I think it was Everybody, and he touched on a lot of issues that was going on in America, suicide, transgender's gaze, everybody, and I personally felt like he didn't touch on black

lives matter enough. So when I said the line about the culture, I just meant black culture is what got you to the point that you're at. So when you're at the top of your platform where now you're ready to explode to the world to have this huge artist like talk about us too. And that's what I meant by that, And that just comes from my passion for black culture in general and black lives and what's going

on with black people and stuff like that. I mean, it came from that perspective, you know what I'm saying. They had nothing to do with hip hop, had nothing to do with records or rapping and nothing like that. Like I'm a Logic fan, but like I said earlier, like I hold people accountable, I would never want somebody. I would want somebody to do the same thing with me.

If I get to a certain platform and now I'm about to have that album that explodes, It's like, you still gotta remember why you're doing this, which is to you know, bring awareness, you know what I mean to people and stuff like that. Yeah, I think I actually was not a fan of that album. That's probably, uh, And that was exactly I think a lot of people that were hardcore Logic fans weren't. Y. Yeah, yeah, honestly,

like this last album that just dropped is incredible. Was the last album, like the first album I've fucked with since his second album is Incredible journey or true storyline. Ye, no pressure is incredible. No Pressure's fire. But yeah, I think that, like, I don't know, man, I just think that, you know, I think that's a fair criticism, you know. I think that album everybody was like, I think he was dealing with a lot of the biracial shit. He's

probably meant. Yeah, I think that he was just probably people don't know my logic is black, Yeah, no, which is I think he was probably having a lot of meetings and stuff like that, you know. I mean, I don't want to speculate too much, but I think that people were telling them like, this is what you have to do to get to the next to the next level,

you know what I mean. And that's my whole thing is, you know, I'm just if I'm a fan of you, you know what I mean, I'm going to I'm, like I said, I'm one of the more honest artists in this shit. I don't I don't necessarily, I don't have the goals like everybody else has to be the greatest of all time, because I don't believe that exists. Like in ten years, there's going to be somebody that's going

to tell you NBA young boys better than Kendrick. It's going to happen like so already generation of fans right now that you will tell you that's a straight face exactly. So for me, it's like, I just want to make impact and I want to I want to broker honest conversations and try to make an impact to where people, you know, elevate their their honesty, their accountability, their responsibility, whatever the case may be. And so, but like I said,

I'm not going to escape my accountability in it. I didn't read the room you know logic when I wrote it. He wasn't retired. He's retired now. He's trying to do his own thing, you know what I mean. And so that is something that if I could go back, I wouldn't. I just wouldn't say the line out there because it's like, let him do his thing, you know what I mean.

And so it would be a conversation that if I ever met him, I would have with him personally still, but I wouldn't necessarily put it out saying for the record, I don't think there's a chance in hell he doesn't know who you are. Like you said, Oh no, he definitely knows, but I like the it's like, bro, you're you're a hip hop stand and this is top dog entertainment. Yeah,

you know, and he's a Kendrick stand exactly exactly. You know. Yeah, but he had shout out to Logic though, like his career musically, like I'd be lucky if I was able to reach that level. You know. I'm glad you made that clear because, like you know, a lot of people took it from a hip hop standpoint, which I can't

blame him. And it's funny because when they dropped him, like oh damn, it does sound like I'm saying that, like like it does sound like yeah, because I was thinking, like, you know, like, yeah, I know, Logic is like a real hip hop head like this guy. You know, it works with no idea. You know. No, you can't, you can't. And that's what I'm saying, Like you can't say Logic isn't a hip hop guy, and that's not what I was saying. But you know, no, I understand what. I

understand why you said that though. Yeah, I think that what's going on right now, man, it's very important. Like that's why I tell everybody like you know, if you're let alone, just the normal citizen who has empathy and and and gives a fuck about your neighbor or just you know, it's hard to get people to care about shit that doesn't directly affect them. But specifically, if you are a part of any sort of black culture, and

I mean that as far as you know. You could be a radio personality, you could be somebody who does YouTube shit, you could be whatever. But if you're benefiting off the back of black culture, Like bro, I've literally made my entire career off of black music. That's my whole life revolves around black culture since I was fifteen sixty really since I was like twelve even earlier, you know.

But like you know, I had a very interesting upbringing, Like I was raised in a house where my best friend was black and his grandma lived with me and his sister lived with me when I was a kid, you know, So, like it frustrates me so much to see almost like you just said, with the logic thing,

no logic obviously African American man. Yeah, so you know, it's a little different, but it frustrates me to be like, yo, how are you like talking in and out of Drake songs every day on the radio and like afraid to fuck up your social media so now. And it's crazy because you posted a video on Instagram talking about that, and I got a lot of respect for you when you said that, you know, I mean I saw your

Instagram post when you said that. You're like, you know, every day you're talking in and out of Drake songs and black culture. You're going to clubs and playing black music. There's black people there. These are the people that are literally affording you your life. And then when something happens, you know, it's like you're like in for when it's convenient. It's like you're tiptoeing in and out of the fucking

like bro like. But when ship hits the fan, like you gotta like you gotta scream at the top of your love exactly and shout out to Jack Carlow because I even hit him up and reached out to fan because uh, he was he was front line when that ship was going on. He was marching every single day, posting ship every single day, Uh, speaking at pep rallies and stuff like that. Like like I feel like I fuck with that, and like I always say, I always you know, play the other side of the fence and

have accountability to the black people. Because Eminem did this ship on the BT Awards where he made like a free and they shipped on him, and I feel like, you know, black people have to stop doing that as well. It's like when when there are white people that want to join the side, you know, and that was before years is that it was like two three years ago, and I feel like I thought it was dope. I this is the biggest white artist from a rap standpoint

in the world. He's always been on this side of the fence. It's not like he's doing this for like, He's always been on the side of the fence. And then we kind of shipped on him. You know. I'm always hold my people accountable to him, say like that's not cool, you know what I mean, Like Eminem is somebody that's been on our side of the culture. You know, we have to tackle this ship together if we're gonna

be able to make leeway, you know what. I Yeah, I think to like someone like him, you know, like he's got fans one hundred percent that are racist. Yeah, And he put that on the line, like if you are racist, don't like don't support me, don't fuck with me. There's something because because like I'm real close with a rapper named Ritz who's a white dude. Okay, that's actually

hilarious by the way. Yeah he's fired Okata check out and and like you know, you know, I got a boy named Jelly Roll and like a lot of times even like Tech nine, like is my boy, and like I've done a lot of stuff with strange music and that just that world, and that world is mostly white fans. Yeah, yeah, and a lot of them are racist. Bro. There's a lot of Tech nine fans that are racist as fuck. That's the same, bro, like straight up and like and

and tackle tell you that too. You know what I'm saying. I'm sure now you know, he's got an incredible following, but there's like a real faction of hip hop fans that just that are real like maga ass motherfuckers. Bro. Yeah,

it's like it's it's very disappointing. But like you said about the eminem thing, like he might piss off a huge part of his fan base by saying something, But what he might also do is even if it's a thousand people who hear that freestyle, ye and it teaches them something and then they go google it and then they're like, like they they become more educated about the situation where they change their stance on shit like Eminem influences people not thought they might be people who drink

Monster Energy and have you know, Fox Racing cargo shorts. But but I'm saying, like he can reach people like and and there's gonna be there's gonna be parts of the of his fan base and just anyone anyone in the country that just aren't that they're just this is where they are. They're not gonna budge. Yeah, I think it's about thirty and thirty. I think it's thirty percent over here, thirty percent over there, but that last, you know, forty percent, that's in the middle. You know, you fight

for those, you know what I'm say. And even more importantly, there might be other white celebrities that wanted to say something and were about to say something and then saw Eminem get killed and step back. And so that's another reason why I feel like, you know, we can't do that, is because you know, that's those could have It could have been other artists or celebrities or whatever that wanted to say something to stand with us, and it's like we take a step back by killing them because they

might be with shit. Like Image jumped out the window and they went crazy on him. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna chill back, you know what I mean, and not say nothing. And it's like we need every single voice that we can get, you know what I mean, and trying to change it, you know what I mean. So, yeah, that's how I feel. What do you think if someone's watching this and they're like kind of just unsure of the things that they could probably do to, you know.

For me, like I was one of those guys who was like you know, and I've been you know, anytime there's I mean, you know, I grew up like I said, my best friend Rams is the best man at my wedding. Like we would be riding around in his neon when I was like fourteen. He was older than me, and we get pulled over and this food yanked out the car, put on the curb, and then they would be interrogating me like why are we hanging out? Why are you hanging out with this like older black kid, you know.

And so it's always been something close to my heart. But like for me, it's like okay, like I want to put my money where my mouth is, but I didn't know where to donate because you know, you never know, like with so many of these that's real. It's like it's it's so agenda. Like, yeah, so I just called Killer Mike anytime I got any sort of questions about that.

That's a good person to call Killer Mike. I say, hey, man, I really want to post, I want to donate some money, and I want to shed a light on some charities, like just tell me what you tell me what to do. He's a good leader in this ship. Yeah, and he's like, yo, there's you know this, this this cool. You know what I'm saying. And then obviously, you know, protesting, And I think I might have called it. I might have caught the rona when I was out protesting. I might have

that might have been where I got it. But but I do think that there's like like it's I know that a lot of people get shipped for being social media, you know, like quote unquote like oh you're doing this for the grammar or whatever it can and there's a lot of that. Yeah, but I do think either way it's you know, it's better than nothing. I think the

Black Square shit was kind of cordy, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like it's like looking back, Yeah, looking back on it, I was like, uh, you know, that didn't really help. But I think it's a growing process. And like I have because I worked at a I worked at a corporate company before I got signed. That's where I was working at. So I had a lot of white co workers and friends still and uh, some of them even reached out to me, was like, you know,

what do we do? And for me, I just think that the biggest thing that you can do in the day to day life is to just try to understand what's going on and do your research and empathize with it and you know, hold other people accountable. Like I think that that's the bare minimum that you can do. Because people that are of that world that are naive quote unquote, Like, you're not naive. You grew up in this black culture. But there's other people that are naive

because they didn't grow up here, but they do. They are humans and they feel for us now because they're aware. So I tell them, like all the people that are in your circle, you just have the whole them accountable when y'all are having these conversations and stuff like that, like you can't be afraid to speak up to them

because that's your quote unquote friend or whatever. There's like these white people conversations that happen where there's no other races around exactly, and then that's when you really find out, like that's a fact. Whether it's people you work with, or you might be at a fucking liquor store or something. Somebody in line might say some slick shit to you because you're another white guy and they think that like, oh, it's all cool, like you know what I mean? Bro?

Like what? Bro? What? And those are the conversations that I feel like everybody like, that's not that's not cool, like you know what I mean? And those are the conversations that you gotta hold people accountable, you know, at the bare bare minimum, and then you know, if you want to go that extra mile, you know, you do do your research. I advise everyone of Facebook too. That place is the fucking pool of the Internet. It's the worst.

It's up there with Twitter. Twitter. I think it's like the Twitter's fail book is where like the memes and like the fake news story, bro, when my mom has hit me with so much like is this true? And I'm like, Mom, did you see that on face? Yeah? Like listen then no, probably not true. There By the way, shout out to Kendrick. I got to address the whole the rumor of him leaving TD. He put that to

bed today. You see Thelues Animal. Yeah, No, I thought it was really really funny, and I think that, like, you know, I hope he's putting out some music soon, but is it is it kind of like the Gift and the curse of the TD thing because any sort of like like Kendrick is like, you know, I put

him Top five. Ever, Yeah, I always tell people because there's like og hip hop fans and tell me I'm crazy, But I'm like, yo, you're gonna put Biggie in the top five, which is fair off the two albums, Yeah exactly, But Kendrick got yeah, three classics and we're not talking about Section eighty yeah, or the Kendrick or or you know, even untitled you know, but like we're just talking about his three official YEA Good Kid, the Butterfly, and a Don Yeah Sion eighties up there with that with those

rest you know what I'm saying. But but yeah, I just feel like everywhere you're gonna go, Yeah, you're gonna get Kendrick questions. It's funny because I was just talking to Punch about this the other day. I don't think that there's been an artist that's been in my position as far as like the amount of pressure. And what I mean by that is that, you know, I'm the first artist that has to be broken without Dave Free being around. He hasn't been involved in any part of

my career. And that's not a shot at him. He just left when I was coming in, So that's timing. There hasn't been an artist, a new artist to drop when the thirst level of the bigger artists has been this high, you know what I mean. It's been three years. It's been three years, and it's been four for Zay, and it's been like three for Sizza, it's been like two for for Rock two and a half got earlier actually like a year and a half ago. You get

what I'm saying. So for all the bigger artists, there's never been a younger artist to drop when there's been that first level that high, you know what I mean. So It's like I'm in a position where I have to make people care, I have to do the creative direction without Dave, and everybody just wants to die album, you know what I mean. So I'm definitely under like the most pressure that any TV artist has been under.

But at the same time, I always try to look at pros and cons in every situation instead of saying woe was me, And the pro is that like all eyes are on me, you know what I mean. And I know that there's gonna be a lot of fans it's just like you all reasons dropping cool, he's out the way, you know, like where's the next album or whatever, But there are gonna be those handful of fans that

still go listen because you know, it's still TD. And I think that this project is strong to where they're gonna know, you know what I mean, that like, oh, this dude is not just like another dude that's just dropping, Like this is a very very strong project. So that's what I'm looking forward to. What your uh, you know, I know you got Isaiah on the album, and I've been waiting for like you said, man, yeah, I think he's one of the greats. I think he's somebody who

don't get enough. I mean, also he hasn't put an outbount Yeah exactly, it's like to the other side of it. But what's your relationship like with him? You know, I think, like I said, there was there was just there's just been so many rumors about his career and like you know, I know he's still on the label. I think for a while there there was like some speculation that he might have not been on the label. But like what's y'all's relationship in dynamic? We have a great relationship and

shout out today me and around the same age. And I appreciate a because he's been through a lot of shit that I'm still going through and he holds me accountable. Without going into detail, he called me and help me accountable about the logic shit just about like bro read th room, you know what I mean, like not necessarily getting on me about what I said, but just like why you know what I mean? And so you know, there were things that he said that I agree with.

There was things that he said I didn't agree with. But at the end of the day, I love anybody that will call me that cares about me and hold you accountable because that is a tough conversation to have with anybody that you love, you know what I mean. And so there's the kind of people you want around you, those kind of people you want around you one hundred percent. And so you know, I fuck was that. We have

a great relationship. I tell people by the time, Zay is a lunatic and that's part of the real you know, part of the delays in his music as well, is that he's fucking crazy. Like Zay, He's he's very very detailed about his music. He cares about it a lot. He cares about his music a lot, a lot. He's

very connected to it. And so, you know, until it's where he wants it to be, in the records that he wants, and him and Top get on the same page about that because it has to be records that he loves and is connected to, and it also has to be records that Top you know, believes can elevate his you know, his status. So you know that that that takes a minute sometimes and it's definitely a pushing pool thing because Top is probably the hardest critic of

music that I've never heard it met. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. Like, yeah, I've heard so, but shout out to Zayoh. I don't think that people have to wait much longer though, Where will there be a continuation of the storyline of Lambeau Truck like You and Cons like might do a part two and something like there's we We've talked about it because we're working on the project, and there's gonna be a You and Cause joint. There will be a weird we're working on it. We're actually almost done. I was

not gonna be like the Kendrick Cole album. No, it's not gonna be like that. Yeah, And I told me and Cos talked about that. I said, bro, we're gonna do this, Like I don't want it. Like I said, I came into ship as a fan. I never want to do to fans what other artists have done. That's frustrating because I've been a fan, you know what I'm saying. So I told Cauz, like, if we're gonna put this ship out there and talk about it on the internet, like it's got to come out, it's got to come out.

And I was like, and even if the labels don't agreed, and we got to just like leak it and we just got to both take it on the chain from the like SoundCloud. I don't know how you know what I'm saying, Like it is what it is, but it has to come out, you know what I mean? Like, and so that's that's how I feel about it. But nah, it would have been done by now. But I was really just tying up this project. It was really like

I forgot how long it in. How many hours it takes to send videos and I mean to do videos and get content together and all of that ship, and so I had to kind of back out. We were having sessions, and I had to kind of back out of those sessions for a minute to get my ship tied up. But shout out to him, you guys are we probably got like eight right now. We're trying to make sure the project is only like seven records, but we want to make like fifteen and then pick the strong. Yeah.

So I actually just had a phone call with him last night because I sent some two joints that I did and I was like, you know, like I'm back working again, right, Yeah, I'm back working again, so like let's get cooking. And he was like thank god, because like I've just been missing as far as like the process of it, so uh yeah, we'll we'll probably wrap that up like within the next month month and a half.

What is uh do you remember what Top's reaction was to that song originally when you heard Causes portioned the Top called me and said, he said, stick a Top his crazy. He said, yeah, I heard you was Robin Cole. Tell Kys remembers just a song. Just tell to make sure he remembers. It's just a song. Bro, don't don't don't come over it. It's not where you want to

come over here with that. I do think it's dope though, that you guys are gonna do that project together, because I do feel like, no matter what dream villain Tde are gonna always be, they're they're the integrity in hip hop when it comes to creatively, like the artists that you're like that everyone signs like, I feel like that there's two constants when it comes to integrity, Like you know you're gonna get a certain level of music or

quality when you know when it comes to those two camps. Yeah, and just call and Kendrick kind of having a simultaneous come up. Yeah, Yeah, it's been like right there, you know what I mean, Like Cole was on the Freshman cover year after Kendrick was on the exactly you know what I'm saying. And then it's like, you know, I think Dot drop or or cold dropped Sideline story and then that I dropped Good Kid in Mass City and then you know, uh, what's the record on section eighty

that Jay Cole produced the Big One? Oh yeah, Ship. I used to play it on the air all the time. Yeah, high power, high power, Yeah, exactly exact produce that back then, Yo, Yo, you should get some cold beats. Reason, Bro, I'd hit him up for some like I'm like, like, what are you but he's working on this album. I'm like, Nigga, I know there's records that you're not If there's records that you're not using, Bro, he's actually a super super fire producer. Well but you know what I mean, Like

now Cole is a dope human. People'll be forgetting that ship. When Cole first came out, like he was low key like producing for other artists a little bit a thousand percent thousand per you know what I mean, and birthing ideas, you know what I mean as far as like from a writing perspective, not necessarily writing, but just birthing ideas. You know, I tell people those are the best producers to me, are the ones. Shout out Cal Banks. He does this and that's why I love working with him.

But like, as an artist is hard to keep coming up with new ideas, But the producers that make beats and then kind of give you ideas of cadences and abilities and stuff like that, like those are the well is producing beat It's just beat making, you know what I'm saying, Like, which is no offense to that if you were a beat maker, shout out to you. But it's like there's a difference between a producer and a

beat maker. And I tell people that too. It's like, you know, there's there's some producers that don't make beats, but they produced, Like shout out to Diddy, like he was one of those people. He didn't make beats, but room like, yeah, like you know what I mean, like let's do this, let's do that, And that's an important thing as well, you get what I'm saying. So so yeah, yeah,

I was not was. I am a fan and I I always wanted that project though, and you know, I just wish that like the world would have got it, you know what I mean. And so yeah, and that's another thing that I'm pushing to is like this relationship with dream Bille and TD to just come a little closer. I was the only artist that was on the Revenge album, you know what I mean, And I was proud of that,

me and Jid. I took a pay cut to go on that tour because I felt like it was important for the culture, not for you know what I mean, Like Top still didn't, you know what I mean, feel because he's a businessman, like that don't make sense. But I took a pay cut because I feel like it was important and me and cos making this project to me is important and I just feel like it's important

for our two labels to grow a relationship. And you know, we're always going to have friendly competition, but at the same time, we do need to grow a little bit closer to a relationship. Now. I think it's dope. Like I remember as a kid, the Rough Riders and cash Money going on tour together. Yeah, yeah, you know, there was shit like that going on that, Like that shit is iconic, and I feel like that shit is kind of missing, Like you said, like the fact you went

on tour with Jid is super fire. I just feel like that that kind of like, you know, like a sizz a fucking ri Lennox Strow would be so crazy, would be so crazy, bro, even like how they do Dreamville Fest. I'm like, if in we did the championship, So I'm like, if TD and Dreyville did a tour, bro, it would be literally insane. Bro. Like it was like and on. From a business perspective, it was so much money that can be made. What showed me that was

a Days in Vegas. Did you go to Days? Of course? Yeah? Like, Bro, that Ship was the most lit festival I've ever performed at because you had hip hop fans at a festival going crazy and they don't get the opportunity to go to festivals. And see, I thought that the lineup was epics. The execution of the festivals, Yeah, the execution of the festival was like a little a little shaky. It also was fucking blown out of my mind for like three

days straight at that tour, like high as fuck. And yeah, I was on mushrooms and Ship and it was a great. It was a great I enjoyed, Like you said, like the music on Fridays and Sunday. The Friday was Dream, Sunday was TD. The fact each each camp had sh it was so hard. Bro. When Kendrick came out on the cowboy hat and I didn't know what was going on and people didn't think it was you look like the fucking the monster and jeepers creepers, like yeah, Like

I was like, what the fuck is that? But like, imagine if like we have more songs together and if on both days you were getting like you know what I'm saying, Like because when being Cosy Lambo Truck there, it went crazy, it went crazy, And I'm like, bro, if if everybody on the labels had different records with each other, like and we were like doing ship on you guys should do like, it would have been stupid five dates. I agree. Yeah, just like pick the biggest cities.

You know what it is, work becomes tough is and and you know, I think the only reason something like that won't happen or why it might not happen is deciding who goes last. Yeah, And that's and that's to me, that's what kills so many moments in hip hop is the that part of it is like who goes last? Who what? What? Label is kind of almost like Kendrick and Cole would almost like when I saw the Drake and Lil Wayne tour when they were going back and forth,

ship was kind of fly. Yeah. I mean, obviously Drake's gonna go last, if anyone's gonna go last. But with Colon Kendricks, there's really no definitive way to pick that. But I think they, Hey, yo, we're in l A. Yeah, Kendrick's gonna go last. We're gonna do Atlanta. I don't know, maybe you do. That's what I say, because I've had conversation with my homies about to just just spitballing and talking ship.

I feel like they should just divide the country at half, and I'm gonna take the East coast, you take the West coast. You know what I'm saying. When we on the West, you go last. When we on the East, like La San Francisco, Charlotte, Lance to New York, YEP, exactly and calling to Day. You get what I'm saying. Like, and I feel like if they did that and maybe Texas or something, yeah, yeah, and three three and three and just you know, dot go last over here co

go last over there. That's what Eminem did. They didn't even know they did. They did. They did two shows. They did, yeah, in New York and they did New York and Detroit they did the Baseball Stadium or whatever the big stadium is, and then in New York they Didntyankee Stadium. That's fine. I had no idea that that happened. Yeah, they only did two shows. It was called the Home to Home tour, so it was like the artist did and in Detroit, J opened for m That's that's hard.

That's hard with that. Yeah, like that she would be crazy tight though, like and that's what I'm saying, Like and if they did a show like that where they went back and for bro like like those are moments that like it doesn't matter what the ticket costs, like because it's priceless fans. Yeah, like like it's just take all my money, Yeah, take all my money? About that. In Vegas tour, I was hip hop and how much do you need? When people saw I had homies hitting

me up like before I buy my ticket? Is this fake? Like like have you gotten paid for this ship? Like that was the craziest lineup ever assembled because we did our real street Fest in August and they announced that ship and I was like, oh my god, how much money did they spend on line? Like how did how is this even possible? Jesus Christ? They had like five major headliners there, like people, this is the person you picked to close the entire and they had like five

of them. It was insane, Bro, It was crazy. Bro. I don't even think Tyler closed out the day he was on. No, he didn't. Travis closed out that day. Travis closed out. That's what I'm saying. Like, it was insane, bro, that Travis was there. I want to say Cardi was there. I'm not one hundred percent shore she was supposed to be there, Okay, that's what it was. She was supposed to be there. Boozy was there, like Cole dot Tyler. Like, that's what I'm saying, Like they that's five they were

there one hundred percent. It was crazy, bro, it was super super crazy. So yeah, I just want like us to create more moments like that. You get what I'm saying. Yeah, I think that's true. Man, I think that a lot of ego. I'm not saying that that's the case here, but I just think in general, like in hip hop, there's a lot of shit that like I think I call it business ego, which is not like the people.

It's more about like the business like of the two sides, like it doesn't make sense for us, Sorry, well it doesn't make sense for ourself, saying like, so I don't think it's necessarily artists, Like what if we just did something for the fans, wouldn't that be crazy? Like nah, that'd be super crazy. Look, man, the album officially out or project or mixtape or whatever we're calling it, whatever we want to call it. Does this mean we're gonna have to wait four years for your next project? It

does not. And that's one thing I've taken pride in and with the labels that I do feel like I've changed the mode of how things work a little bit, even to the fact, like fans are giving me a lot of slack, Like, man, we've had eight singles, like we heard the whole album. I'm like, well, no, only three of them are on the project, Like because tde artists don't just drop singles. That's not a thing, you

know what I mean. And I was the first one that just was just putting shit out, Like I just get on tops nerves and tell you, like, let me shut reason up and put something out. Yeah, but I said that to say no, Like I'm almost done with my debut album. I'm hoping to drop like second quarter. So that's what I'm aiming for. That's what my managers and all of us are talking about. So that's what we push them for it and maybe a little cause

of trying to get that out before my debut. So I'm trying to get the Cause and reason shit January I am. That's what I'm aiming for. That's what I'm aiming for. I gotta I gotta double check with cos of schedule because I know that he's wrapping up his album. But we've already been in the grants that like we're just gonna put that out. We don't got to do nothing crazy behind it, just for the fans. We just put it out with video or two years, a couple

of videos. Let it do what it's gonna do. You get what I'm saying, and hopefully get some features from both sides, and that to be the closest thing that people What we're trying to do is make it the closest thing that people can get to a TD Dream Build tape. So we're trying to get features from both sides. You know what I'm saying, heavily featured, exactly, heavily featured, you know what I mean. And get some ship from our side, get some ship from their side, put it

out for the fans. We don't got to do nothing. So and j I do ever been on the record together, not from my understanding, but I feel like that would be crazy. Though, I think that would be crazy. I'm gonna put my vote out there and J I D you my guy, but get them I think by the way, I know that DJ had had this big thing that you got, you got, you gotta ate up by Yes, I didn't think it was exact close. You didn't think it was that close. I think was full shit. Oh okay,

thank you. Y'all about to say okay, yeah, yeah. And he knows that he can get a reaction, so you know what I mean. He knows I'm so competitive, he can get a reaction. But uh but nah, like like so did go crazy? But like I tell people all the time, like I always I always make sure that like my verse is there before I send it off. And I like Honestly, I like when artists hear my verse and try to like go crazy. I'll do it because it makes the song better, you know what I mean.

Like I don't want you to send no bullshit because then I'm not gonna put the song out, you know what I mean. And so but I will say shout it's two artists, shout out Boogie and Rhapsody. I probably won't be sending them anymore versus First because Boogie on Trapped In went crazy bro Boogie went crazy on Trapped In and then rahaps I can make it when so so crazy. So I'm like y'all too, I gotta get in the studio. We gottat, we gotta write this. We

gotta do it together. You gotta do this together, y'all. Can't just keep on like having my my ship and like being all you know, you take two muths to write a verse and send me back a fucking eather nahs verse Like, nah, We're not doing that no more. Look at the album reason The Merches out as a merch drop yeah March, Yeah, it would have dropped by the Yeah, okay, so the Merch will be out on Friday, which is it's past Friday. No, it's Friday. Now. We're

dropping we're dropping this. Yeah, so the March is out. Now, the March one hundred percent reasons care. Let's go perfect man, that's dope.