#190 - Enzo Amore

of your guys. You know. It's funny before you guys got called up, before we got called love. So those people don't know. As a pro wrestler, I wrestled in the w W with the tag partner Big caying you guys. You know, yeah, so me and another guy named Cass.

He's a he's now w Morrissey. Keep it your eyes peeled for him on just a seven foot tall giantbs T n T. I mean, maybe we'll see some more of him and in the future, but he just did a spot on a w Big cas Uh, my former takes partner seven foot tall, played basketball at NYU natural connection, me being from Hackensack, New Jersey, him being from you played football, right, Yeah, I played college ball. Yeah, it's funny. I didn't play an athlete on TV by any means. Bro.

As a pro wrestler, you know, you can hit the ropes, jump over the top, through the flips, and that wasn't my gimmick. That wasn't my my deal. I just talked that ship man. Yeah, it's crazy because I remember watching you guys in NXT, and I would just remember being like, you guys got the craziest crowd, pops, and then your mic work was like, yeah, you know, I owe it all to that crowd, Bro, as you would say, you

know what. Like, So, what you're talking about is NXT is the farm system of the WWE at the time. At the time, they didn't have any shows that left like the state of Florida, So you were living in Tampa and me we were becoming, you know, a wrestling tag team, me and Big Cash. Yeah, on the indie kind of scene of ww like just Florida. But then we left Florida and then they did the Barclays Center. Yeah, I was at Barclays. That was a summer SummerSlam at fifty.

So we went from like literally we'd be wrestling in a little armory on a Thursday night. I have the SummerSlam T shirt or the the NXT Takeover T shirts. Ship Man, I didn't keep any of that, ship Man, I should I should have kept a book. You guys wrestled that night. That was the night of uh. It was Sasha Charlotte and yeah people to come through the curtain that weekend and Holy Ship with a homecoming. Man, for sure. I had the Yankee pinstripes on. I remember

that my man shout out my boys. Spiff TV had me dripping. You always had the crazy fits. Oh he had you know, like there's a gift from spiff Man. Shout up my man, Spiff like these Sif's a big wrestling fan as well, real so you know, wrestling man, I owe a lot to it. It It was a great opportunity. But for me it was a runway too. You know. I was known for the sneakers and the and the and the swag and the and the clothes and like

that Barclays. I had that Mitchell and s Yankees with the New York City skyline by my seamstress put in a leopard with Biggie, the picture of him and the koogie count and the money with a with a. I put a fucking statue of Liberty crown on him and I wrote it was all a dream like I was swagged the fuck out. Nobody else was wearing. The Jays at the time were in Jordan's yea. But I saw it as a runway like pro wrestling, Like yo, this is like a great opportunity to be seen. So what

you want to walk out there and underwear? I mean all credit to my fucking Dwayne Johnson, Steve Austin Hultkogan, they did it, But I was fighting up hill battle. You're a smaller guy, and I feel like I feel like you kind of like made everybody kind of elevate their mic work because I'm man like. When you guys, I felt like you you were the most entertained. Like it was like it was like you and Paul ain't never been nothing like me, and there never will be.

It hasn't happened yet. Some of your promos you would cover, just no comparisons you could draw because I had this great blessing of dusty roads in my corner that allowed me to write my own shit, whereas most people didn't have that opportunity. Now, who the fuck right now in the situation is going to tell Vince McMahon let him say what he wants. You know, I have Dusty Road in NXT. Go to Vince, like this kid is mind.

Let him do his shit. And now all of a sudden, I'm writing my own shit and saying my own shit. And Sina Co signs me early. So now Sena is in your corner and he wants you to say your own shit. See when you're in a room with other wrestlers and a producer and a writer, and you guys are green and you're new in the business, like you don't have a say, and like you know, and for one imagine this. All right, we go out on TV.

There's seven minutes blogged out for our segment. Right, you got seven minutes curtain to curtain from the time you go through the curtain to the time you get your beauty shot at the top of the ramp of the Victor. Right now, within that seven minutes, you're going to a commercial break. There'll be two minutes, so you have five.

So now you have five. But it's right smackdab in the middle, but you got to still entertain the crowd when the cameras aren't rolling for so now it's a live audience you're working for too, but you're really catering to the millions on TV, right. But if your end zone you come out talking shit and you got opponents in the ring, We've only got five minutes, and I'm gonna match with four people, not too I got big cast,

my tag partner, and I got another two guys. So you mean to tell me I'm gonna talk shit about you for three minutes and then I'm gonna do wrestling moves to you for two minutes. What the fuck are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? So my job was real easy and real simple. I'm gonna talk and that's it. I'm not allowed to do wrestling moves because we're have fucking time for it. Bro, I gotta make the heels look like they're beating my ass. If I don't beat somebody, who the fuck that I just beat?

You didn't beat nobody? What the fuck? If you're just talking shit about them and then they ain't credible or nothing, and then you get the high climactic tag big cast coach, and that was the recipe man, So it's like probably the easiest shob I go out. I'm like fucking bottom bullmout you doing. Somebody hits me from behind right now, I'm in the corner and I'm getting beat up. And then you were like, Cast hasn't even gotten here, ring

you know, pacipulous recipe. Open every NXT show around the world, Open every w W show around the world. This works. Big guys in the corner, we can't get them in, and Zoe says you're soft. They spell it out so oft and Zoe gets hit. I'm just getting beat up, bro. So I never had to show that I was an athlete. I never had to wrestle. All I had to really do is tagging the big guy, and I had to learn how to take an entertaining ass kicking and draw empathy for people and make them want to So that

was really my forte. I think was selling in wrestling and what we call sell. Hey, that is a serious talent. I mean, I think it's probably the most important one. And if if it was really good at getting their ass kicked. As Dolf Ziggler, I feel like he's going for that, but it's pigeonholed himself like he's just noticed the guy. He's kind of he's like the greatest job effort. Yeah, man, No, I mean he's a world champion, Bro, he's gotten to

your point. He got there because he took a great ass kicking and we just as the people as fans, wanted to see him do it. And I wasn't even in the company at that time. I heard that pop when he won the title. When Dolf Ziggler won in New Jersey was the night for me when when he had a biggie behind it and a j I thought that was the best. That was probably prior, No, that was prior to Probably that was like twenty thirteen twelve.

I was a part of a hell of a wrestling revival and renaissance because at a time where there was only the w w E NXT gave you an alternative product Peak. I think I feel like you were part of peak NXT, which I think it'll never get better. I mean you had Samoa, Joe, Finn Balor, right, Charlotte Sasha, Becky Bliss FTR. But you know Buddy Blake and Kevin Owens and Sammy's in and Adrian Neville and you know it was wild. Yeah, it was, it was. It was to me, it was it was at that time, it

was better than and that's what I mean. People got to realize like, oh, they want to sit here and point the finger, Well, this guy can't wrestle. This guy can't do this, Like dog, you're you got eight matches on a card, all right. You got your heavyweight title match, you got your what intercontinental title match, you got your tag team title match, you got your women's title match.

Then you got a royal rumble. Mott hodgepos with a bunch of pe because if somebody gets hurt on one of those shows, you need to fill it with somebody, right, So maybe got like a sixteen man tag and that Payday ain't gonna be as good as the main event guy and the guy who's in the main event versus the guy who's in the rumble with twenty thirty other people. Man, me and cast without titles had our own match on the WWE card, whether it was that next to you

or the WWE. That was crazy to me. It was like, bro, there's only eight spots, and four of them are for titles, but Enzo and casts are so beloved that they don't need a title for their match. You're still gonna go nuts and they come out. It doesn't have to be for anything, and me and Cast didn't have to overcomplicate it. It It wasn't like kickouts and guys. You know, he was like, no, I get I talk shit, I get beat up, I ten Cast, he clean's house. Everybody's happy.

Now I'm going to ask you this, so it's a fun factor all the way through the room. It felt like it went from like you cause, cause you know, where are these energy drinks coming from? Who's got one of these? Fuck? I guess this takes five going. Nobody want to just got one from the liquor store. These are good? Uh No, But it felt like it was crazy just because it felt like you guys were like the fan favorite in NXT. Uh. I forget which pay

per viewer which when you guys got called up. But I remember watching it on TV when you guys like major, Uh, I might have been raw or your big your big debut ROW was the night after WrestleMania and Dallas in twenty sixteen. I remember watching it was when we debuted, but we had been held in NXT a lot longer than everyone. Yeah, because I think everybody was like, what the fuck when are Enzo and Cast coming up? Man

Hutter wasn't about to give us up? Dog, Yeah, Well the fucking Enzo and Cast was his dro did He wasn't about to send us up to fucking brother, We're just starting to fill these houses out. You ain't taken Enzo, Cast, Finn bal Or, Adrian Neville, Sammy Zay, Sasha, Charlotte, and Becky all at motherfucking once. At least we started keeping cast and we became the victim of that fucking keeping us down in NXT waiting. But the timing is everything.

It couldn't worked out, Bat, The crowd was hungry. By the time we debuted NXT with such a hot show, people knew who we were. What was it about what you were doing that caught John Seat's attention? You think, Dog? The first day that I debuted in NXT, I had just gotten my name. I didn't even I hadn't even

gotten a name. I hadn't had any matches. I had made a YouTube video that went viral, got signed by the Wwe had never had a wrestling match in my life, but had killed it every week in promo class since the day I showed up, and now Dusty Rhodes is all about it, and the other coaches wanted to get me shit canned and fired, and the head coach at the time was really rough on me, and I didn't understand.

I didn't understand wrestling. I didn't understand like getting the heat, like his heat, Like what what, You're a man, You're gonna go talk about me behind my fucking back. I'm a fucking dude, like I come from Jersey. If you talked shit in my neighborhood about another dude, We're gonna call him on the phone and tell you tell him right now, or tell his face a fucking bitch. It's weird shit. It's this weird wrestling culture. A few times, I'm in a fucking car with a few guys hearing

them talk shit about other people. I spoke up was kind of like, hey, bro, won't you go fucking say that ship to him? And they quickly kind of realized like, oh, Enzo, wait with the shits, And I kind of I think I got xnated from the weird sex world and and

the secret world and the burial talking shit world. There was a weird sex I'm sure there's a sexcapade going on in backstage, all right, and I know I've heard things about but broelling videos, Dude, I've never got tied into any of that ship because I was I feel

like the outsider of pro wrestling that came in. But then I got lucky because the likes of Finn Balor, who were in New Japan at the time, are watching NXT and they're popping Forenzo and casts, right, but they're just asking people who they know who are in wrestling, like, Yo, what's what's in doing? Cast? Like like how where did they come from? Were they wrestlers? And Everybody's like, no,

Anzel Cast, they never wrestled before. Really. Cast had a few matches and went to wrestling school with Johnny Rods in Brooklyn, so he definitely was trying to do it. But this shiit just kind of fell in my lap. Wow, And I just kind of walked in unknowingly just being me, and that shit worked for me. But I can't give that advice to other people. I wouldn't tell I would not. Everybody has your your on the mic and Bro I'll fucking sell a ketchup opsicle to a bitch of white gloves.

You know what I'm saying. I'm fucking out here, dog like fucking well, pushing the sale forward, always closing. Look under your fucking seats right now, all right, you know what I mean. I'm fucking in here. Give me a microphone. Hey, yeah, that was my thing. Yeah, and it was initially with casts. You know, that ship was real. I would take Cast out to nightclubs and I would go to the guy at the door and I'll be like, yeah, the Yankees are in town. He's a picture on the fucking Yankees bullpen.

He's fucking getting up and coming. Got you. We got to get in there, get bottles. Next thing you know, we're in the nightclub. Cast just doesn't realize he's seven foot tall with long fucking hair and looks like Eddie Johnson's son. Dude, he looks like he plays with Lando Magic. Here's a Magic player this week. You know, it's whoever's on the road that week. Look it up, bro, we're in town. So I was getting cast into nightclub and then that became the gimmick in wrestling. So to me,

I never really looked at it. Bro. When I first got signed to wrestling, I did not know what I was in for at motherfucking all. I was like, oh, yeah, I call my friends. I'm like, Yo, WrestleMania is in New Jersey next year, Dude, I'll definitely fucking be there. You kidding me. I'll probably be in the main event fighting for a fucking title. You know, no fucking problem.

Being so naive worked to my advantage. Wow, Like, dude, do you have any idea how hard it is to get in there and get going and get on TV, get the crowd to like you, and then you know, get matches on these cards and get on like people are trying all over the world to do this thing, and this fucking opportunity just falls in my lab and I'm like, I got this shit, no problem. So the first day John Cena saw me was my first match. I was on TV versus Mason Ryan as a job guy.

I was gonna put him over. I was like, Yo, I got a bar story. I'm gonna go home to the bar. You don't pull up that wrestling match. I had, dude, fucking pull that shit, oup, Bro, wait till you've seen it. Oh hell, yeah, got me one. So I was like, yoh, fucking you know, I didn't think. I was like yo, I did it though, Like I did it. I got a match in the WWE. So they give me the name enzoel Moray, which I had pitched for hell in high Water for that was the name I wanted because

my initials are EA. So I was just pitching names Esteban, Apples, anything with a fucking EA. I was like, just give me Ea. They gave me enzoel Moore. That's what I want, is that. Man. I'm a big weed guy, right, I met one love to me, I don't know much about no. I ain't no fucking bilingual, motherfucker, but I'm speaking one language, motherfucking money. So anyway, nzoel Moore, one love right first head of the house, end zone at the time John Cena is out there arena to keep the house. When

we're in NXT. You can't keep people there. You got four episodes being filmed of TV. You're gonna see the same people more than once or twice, and they're gonna play out storylines that are going on television in one night. So you got me four or five six hours of tapings and they're taking all the rings off. You'll never forget, bro, when I was a young and this shit. You go out there at first and they have like twelve ring

canvases on because you know, somebody gets bloody, somebody sweats. Yeah, they just take the canvases off. So if you're the guy in the first match, we would all be back there waiting to hear the first big bump because dude, you're just slamming down on the hardest dude, nine fucking ring canvases, you know what I mean, they haven't taken them out yet. By the time you're in the main event, there's one or two canvases there, so it's an easier bump. Yeah.

But that first thud, Dog, that that first thud was for real? Which is this you guys fucking you know what I'm saying. You guys got a budget around here. Fucking what dude, a little fucking super bowl right on? It slides right on. Uh so fucking So Cina was there to keep everyone there because Cina's gonna be here. So everyone's like, we got to stay for Scena. Yeah yeah, yeah,

but they don't tell you that. Yeah, so they're like all John Cena's gonna be on the show, and you're sitting there for one hour, two hour, three hour, like when the fuck is he coming out clearly when the show's over. So that so John Cena sees me go to the ring and he's like he hears all the boys stand up in the back and clap. So all the guys in the locker room are clapping because I'm debuting and they know that I'm the best on the

mic and I'm not getting an opportunity. I have never had a match, and I'm debuting and the coach wants me fired and dead. So they're like outlaw shit. They all stand up and clap for me, right, and then Deck catches John Cena's attention. He's like, who the fuck are you guys at clapping for this motherfucker? And Tyler Brees just happened to be the guy who's standing there that he asked and Tyler Bridge was put us over to his credit, thank you, Tyler. Tyler Brees is like, Yo,

these guys talking about me and Cass. He's like, Cass wasn't there. I was debuting, Cass had not done any NXT yet. They were saving him for whatever to fire him or to put them on. I'm going out there to get killed. But when I went out there, I cut my stick and I said, bottom boom reals guy in a room, I don't ride, and fucking John Cena stood up and set it back like bottle boom realist guy in the room. I don't know this is going on, dude. I walked from the back. I'm like, oh god, it's

all over. I'm getting fired. I feel like a fucking loser. I just let that guy beat my ass. Fucking this shit's fucking for gaze. He's full like a shitting on it. I'm so mad at myself. I'm like, I just lost, Like I just look like a loser. I'm getting fired. Whatever, I did it right, And the fucking kid comes running up to me, this kid, Rob Naylor, who worked backstage as a producer, and he's like, John Cena wants to see you. So John Cena asked me to get in

the ring with him. Not knowing I'm so green, I don't realize I booked my own shit. I'm like, oh yeah, that guy's my tag team partner. Bro. We were just me and cass are just doing tag team promos. For Dusty Rhodes for like two three weeks. Dusty liked it, but we weren't by no means a tag team. But now I just tell John Cena he's my tag team partner. He goes, get in your shit and meet me backstage, and we're going out on the mics. I'm like, what

the fuck Cash is bugging out? We walked back there, Triple H looked at us like, what the fuck are you doing here? And John Cena's like, oh, have them come out with me in the dark segment. Now, I just he just went over Triple HS like and booked this shit. And I don't know what plans they had for Cash, you know what I'm saying. So now all of a sudden, I'm out doing cass Well, we're intellectual Savior of the Masses is Damien Sandau. I loved Sandew's awesome.

So Sandw's cutting promos with Sina and he's supposed to be smart, right, intellectual Savior of the masses, this is what they call him. So that was why I said, he's seven foot hole and you can't teach that because you know, like he's smart guy. And then I said, how many dimples are on a golf ball. You know, many dipples are on a golf bolder exactly one hundred and sixty eight temples on a golf you know, many

dimples are on behind don zero. You want to wac some hard body, you know you are ure s wft, shufed and fucking. John Cena was like, what the fuck did you just call him? And I was like, shufed. They just the crowd repeated it. Now the next time me and Cass are on a show, I'm taking people's jackets. I gotta merch. I got a staff shirt on. I'm fucking I'm not booked. I don't get booked again. We

go to the TV taping the next one. Rye Back's there in the dark segment because he's feuding with John Cena, right, so his gimmick is feed me more. Me and Cass got summons five minutes before we had to go through the curtain. We're sitting backstage and they're just going su up shure the crowd, the crowd. So they just call fucking five minutes, like you're going out with right back in five minutes. We're like what? So me and Cas went out there and we had to think of things

to say. His gimmick was feed me more, feed me more. So we were like, ladies are in the meadhead. You got a real cheap date in the ring right now. All you gotta do is take them to the local Golden Corral. You guys know what we're gonna have. Cast Cash just rattled everything off on a fucking menu and I went, hey, don't, hey done, Hey don't. And now the crowd's saying, how you doing? So brough The first two times we went out there, we did soft and how you doing? And we haven't even been on TV yet.

So if you're at home in the UK or you're watching NXT, we come out for the first time and you watched that Orlando crowd, they go nuts, but you don't know, you look who there. You've been building that crowd? Why the fun? But they yeah, we built that crowd in the dark. And then by that time that was our crowd, and uh, they just did whatever fuck ends

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obviously uh what what? Because you guys went to the I was a rapper from New Jersey working on moving trucks and I got that phone call from Triple HS to go have a try out. Bro fucking what? And this and your buzz was off of YouTube, yeah, well off of barstool sports. Put up a few videos and

me talking shit. Triple HS was him with a strength coach, my strength coach from college football, and I knew him, so my strength coach showed him this video and then he said he trains at my gym, and then Triple Edge called me on the phone. I'll never forget. I was sitting outside of a Blimpy restaurant. I was like, ups, they they fucking shut that thing down. I'll tell you what. The pandemic. Pandemic did a mother fucking number on some

good places. Man. Yeah, it's so wet. Blimpy's what's the other. We're still some blimpies. You ever see the standaloney? You ever see a fucking blimpy standaloney? I'm talking about it, just a stand alone blimpy that sounds like like shit. No, there's one in Atlanta by ddp's house. Brow. Every time I go to DDPS, go fucking touch my toes do some yoga with his ass? Did you do the DDP DDP y man, DDPY, I don't call it yoga, motherfuckers. DDPY. Yeah, yeah,

DPY that is what he calls it. They say, your mommy's yoga. Look at this. Ain't no spokesperson here for fucking DDPY. Bro. I fucking I can barely touch my toes as it is. But uh, talk about your relationship with the Rhodes man. I mean on there ain't really a relationship. I mean, it's kind of like you see him and there's a mystique and he's just floating on air and he walks by and he's just dusty fucking So imagine you got this WW Performance Center. It's got

seven rings in it. Even before that, in the Florida Championship Wrestling, I was in. I was there for a year, and that that year that I had there is what prepared me, because that XT became a whole different animal, you know it is. There was no cameras. Dog ship went down. Every ship went down. People got belittled, people got shipped on, people got beat up, and that's the way shit it's supposed to be, right. I guess I didn't complain. I was happy to be there. Beat the

ship out of me. You guys are gonna make me rich. You know how to give a fuck. So, I mean, too many people complaining political correct world. They had to change the things up. They put the seven rings, they built the People Performance Center, and that was unbelievable, and that was I was. I was the first people in there, among the first crew. So that's timing is everything you know to be a part of the NXT. When they get all these great wrestlers from around the world, you know,

Samoa Joe fin about Like that's crazy. I just happened to be in there, and like timing is everything. I just got lucky. So I feel like anybody who grew up in my fucking town would have fucking made it. Like, just give him a fucking mind, give him a mic. Sell them the fuck. If you weren't funny in my neighborhood, you didn't fucking last, You couldn't hang out right, you got shipted on. That's crazy. You know, you just had to be a funny motherfucker growing up. Hey, you spoke

of the wild sexcapades. Now, we did see a leaked video. Shout out to page who's a real one? Xavier? What is it? There's a few people in that video. I'm not commenting on this. I was gonna say, was it a very like, uh, what's brought? No idea? That's what I'm trying to tell you. I was the outsider. So what I'm just gonna ask is everyone just fucking us

to look at dude. I guess that maybe, like my gatar said, like, hey, like this guy ain't with the shit's like he's not gonna, you know, and I feel like I don't know, there's just like there's probably a weird sex world, just like there's dude, do you ever see porno? You go on any site? Yeah, there's a new bitch every day, brand new. Where are these people coming from? This is an alternate planet, Florida. They're going this is Florida. They're coming from Florida. I don't doubt

it's America's basement. Yeah, it's fucking good place, bad odor, you know what I mean. Just it's like its own little country. There's like middle Florida. I'm just saying, there's more people doing this than you could ever imagine, so imagine infiltrates, probably every workplace. It's just like wrestling. So I'm just saying I didn't wreak of that odor that said like he's he's gonna get in there and fucking give it hell and we're gonna put on a show.

I'm a performer, but in the ring, not you know, for the eyes in the camera. What what do you think went wrong for you guys? Like what do you think? Like, yeah, bro, what do you mean who had a better time than and cast? But don't hate on me for living my life. People want to also what happened to me? What went wrong? Motherfucking uh? You know some fucking lion asshole out in Phoenix, but outside I remember that and I'm Phoenix. I hate Yo, Man, I love Arizona. Sedona's hot. I love it over there,

but I love Arizona. Yeah, man, I was hey, man big uh, And you were like you were popping up in my homies clubs and ship at that time. You want out here out here, bro. When I was in the w W E and I had the cruiserweight title and I was living in la you'd see me with the title in the nightclub with the I was gonna say, you were very active in l A for a for a while, the whole time I was in the w W on TV. Yeah, you were like, that's what I mean.

I live with my best friends from high school in a house in the hills like Entourage, with an infinity pool and a fucking bulldog that passed away, gobb Rest Frankie Man, fucking love you body, but I owe me a Lott's little I just remember following you. This guy's fucking outside outside outside. So I lived it right, and man, if you're outside, You're gonna have a target on your back.

You know, look at you know that's what happens. I'm sorry, and I just had to look at my situation and say, like, dog, I don't owe anybody in an apology. I'm not apologizing. I lived your dream, motherfucker. Are you fucking kidding? Of course I lived your You wish that you could fight for a title in Madison Square Garden, win a title in the w W. We get fired with the title around your waist, and get to put your friends on in a house in the hill and go fucking put

your little brother. My brother's the biggest music video maker out there right now. He's working with Cole Bennett's hiss DP. Fucking my brother Shot who's Post Malone's Motley Crewe. Shout out my brother. He's killing it. Man. He's out there, he's and he's up there with the with the greats right now, BA Cinema. Brett Arn't my little the hit man ar't. I would always see you with the what was that kids named Tyler who had the clothing line. You would see him because he came to all the

wrestling shows. I mean, that kid is a super fan who gets in the front row of all these shows and he owns a clothing line, and that was awesome to have a friend that had these clothes though at that time, because bro, everybody thinks, like, you know, I'm

spending all my money on Gucci and shit. Like at that time, I was getting a lot of outfits on TV from homie Wow, like just lacing me in the Spiff Like, yo, Spiff, let me borrow, Like you know, I will walk out to the ring with one hundred K on my neck because it was Spiff's and I had friends in the in the game, in the industry, and I was just you know, using those exploits to play a character. I wasn't actually that, motherfucker. I'm not

that stupid. I mean, you know, you know guys from Red Bottom Stide, you know I'm not that And I'm blowing all my load on ony way I saw it was man. No, I had the fly Is ring gear, right, I invested a lot in my ring gear. But those were investments, and I, you know, by buying sneakers and wearing a new pair every single week. Eventually Champs Sports DMS me we start up that WWE relationship that's still there today. I Star. I literally got my own Jordan, Michael.

Jordan made me Jay's that's so crazy, it's crazy. I have two pairs. I've only wore one, which is nuts. But Reggie gave him to me, Michael's right hand man. I met Marcus backstage, his son who's in Orlando Trophy. We got the Trophy Room. So like, I got to know all these people through pro wrestling, and I was able to launch a new opportunity for myself into music, which now is is you know happening? How is the

music thing? Because I'm not gonna lie to you. I've I heard that when you first got to let Go and you were putting out music videos, I was not crazy about the music. It was not very I was not. I was not crazy about Fotix, no video for Photix. I I just need album the ship that you were putting out on the Star you're putting out videos on put out two videos of Wolf. Yeah those I remember hearing. You might want to stick to wrestling, all right, fuck it,

but play some play some rap. But I'm just curious. I'm yours right now. Don't call me out. But I never let anybody down. On a microphone, right, So people don't want to give me a chance because I have the stigma of a pro wrestler. Chris Jericho when he started out with Rozzi Fozzy, started out with Rockneys and got laughed off stages. Okay, he got fifty eight million fucking views on Judas, He's got a number one record for on Billboard. He's got You think that I'm not

gonna stick to this thing. You don't know Eric, you don't know real one. You don't know me. I don't give up, motherfucker. You think I got to the top of the double Do you have any idea how much harder it is to have a fucking cruiserweight title main event in fucking Madison Square Garden? Bro? What the fuck are we talking about? So you think that I'm not gonna pop off with my music, I didn't say that I will blow your mind. Well, I'm curious at this.

I ain't scared, motherfucker. I'm curious. Are you gonna you dirty bitch? You're gonna fucking talk back? I don't fucking think so. You're my bitch. See this microphone, it is my bitch. There it is. I was gonna say nowadays? Are you Are you doing indie shows? Oh? Bro, I hop out there, here and there, man, I love it. Uh, And then you'll do conventions you want. Dude, When I needed money, bro, you couldn't pay me to wrestle. It's an ego thing, right, you were just like I did

it at the highest level. I'm done. I'm done, but I got it. I got I got a good life now and I and i'd make money outside of pro wrestling, and I have a business and I do okay. And when you don't, when you look at the bank account and you don't need the money to get in the ring, then it doesn't become about you, right, It becomes about the opponent, right, And the young kid that I'm wrestling, and me helping him along and and furthering his career

means nothing for me to fucking win a match. I don't give a fuck about that shit, right, But this kid, for instance, I just did Major League Wrestling MLW. I had the exact same match as Razor Ramona one two three kid after Scott Hall passed away. Wow, I had the exact same match. Watch it back, mirror them. It's the exact match. That's crazy. I did everything that they did just to verbade him. So one two three, Kid Moon Salt one two three heard around the world. I

put this little kid over right, this kid Casey. Why because it does a lot more for him beating me than it does for me beating him. I don't give a fuck. We could tell stories, we can figure this out, and and that was my thing. Like, uh, I think that there's definitely been a connotation about me that maybe is out there, or a perception in pro wrestling that like, you know, I don't do good business, or something like are we kidding? Guy? I spent my whole career losing.

I had no problem losing, and it never was real to me in that regard, like, dude, write the script. You know, some people get butt hurt, play the game of politics and try to you know, win or lose. You know, I means something to them, Like, man, they told me I was losing. I was like, how we losing? What do you want to do? Yeah? I don't give a fuck. Hey, pause for a piss. I just drink a whole water. This is the piss. Isn't this your fire? This is fire, fire, fire, It doesn't it tastes just

like a fucking warhead, man. Yeah, that thing tastes just like a fucking warhead. That's lit. Yeah, we got some uh, I got some new music out now. So that's what I'll get to telling him. It's funny. Right when I got fired, I had been in the studio since twenty twelve, so I dropped music that I had from twenty thirteen and fourteen. So imagine my voice doesn't sound anything like that now. But I have all these records that I own that I cut, and I was like, what am I?

Who am I if I didn't invest my money in this shit for me to So I put it out without any listening sessions or anything, you know. I was like, eh, well, so we're back after the pits. So here's here, here's how it goes in the music. Motherfucker. I was a rapper before I was a wrestler, So you're rapping. They found me. They found me. I was a rapper talking shit, and Triple H said to me when I got signed, do you want to be a rapper? Do you want

to be a wrestler? I said, I want to be a wrestler, said I want to hear about this rap shit again. So I'm in the WWE, I'm under contract, and I know that everything I do is own by them. So I meet Spiff, I get in the studio, I get some of the best beats and Grammy Award winning producers libraries. I have beat libraries from Spiff back in the day that I hear on Kanye albums, that I hear on Travis Scott albums. Wow. And I was just practicing over these beats while you were wrestling, while I

was wrestling. So I was just in the studio trying to get better, trying to work on this craft. And you gotta be focused, you got to. You gotta treat the same like if you want to be a rapper, Eric, you gotta go treat it the same way you treated wrestling. This is no fucking half ass shit. You gotta go full toil. And I was just toying with the music, trying to get myself prepared for a life outside of the WWE, which I was well on my way to. I mean, if you watched where I was at, you

know I didn't plan on re signing. Oh you didn't plan sticking around? My body was fucking broken. I never missed dates. I got booked every weekend on ain't how hard it is to get booked every week and there for people who don't realize, like how many dates a year is that? Because people don't understand it's not just uh SmackDown and Raw. There's dark shows and smaller markets that aren't on TV. It's probably about one hundred to

two hundred matches a year. And you're a wrestling taking a bunch away including all the travel and all the other ship that you're doing, just a real crazy lifestyle. Man, it's insanity. So it's not sustainable. There are the freaks that get it done, like who legends Chris Jericho? Like what, yeah, dude, he's caught from a different claw, Like you might be broken. Well even thinking like peak John Cena, Like John Cena was every week of still to this day, Like he

didn't he just a schedule. I just think about like twenty ten John Cena's schedule. That's how That's how Dwayne Johnson flipped his ship. Man, he took a a fucking note out of Vince mcman's playbook, Like hey, bro, first got to show up, last guy to leave, wake up at four am and don't take no for an answer, it's like there, it is like work harder than everyone. It's just say harder than everyone. And Vince would never

ask you to do something he wouldn't do. That's so that's that's it, right, So you know I got it. I didn't. I looked at him. I admired Vince the whole time I was there. I wanted to be that guy. So it seems like you, I mean, obviously, but the music, this is where I'm at. I was gonna say, But the music was I had all this music I had been making when I released that project. That's music from twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen that I'm releasing in twenty eighteen.

That is not who I sound like now. But because I had invested this money, owned these beats, and had this shot to put it out, had to put it out, didn't question it. Are there records out there that I'm not proud of? No, I'm proud of every one of them because I had the balls to release it and I didn't give a fuck what anybody had to say. That's where you win. Don't give a fuck, say what you want. Why don't you print out those lyrics you

don't like the way I sound. You don't like the way I wrap, print out my lyrics and you'll see that I am a fucking writer. Soft. I'm the same guy who wrote every promo. So like, if you don't believe in me, great, Like the guy has a guy like west Side Gun or try to give you any pointers because he's a huge wrestler. I don't anybody fucking listen to anybody else's music, bro, like does hers all day?

I'm assuming I'm just assuming no other rappers anymore. I'm assuming that you know there's there's like that built in, like the Smoke Dizzes and the it's on my track Versial Me and Visial Me and Smoke This did a track called versial uh and the song's hot and smoke hurt it and he asked me to get on it. Wow. So like that's what I mean. Man, I'm a different sound than that first album. That album ain't what I bring to the table, you know what I mean? Like

I'm I'm you're still getting better. Don't put me in the box, bro, Like, fucking let's asking match? Is it very hard to break the stigma when people first Just kind of like I'm still trying to break it. Now and it's gonna be a while. But I ain't. I ain't scared. Like yo, if you don't listen to my music, I bet you fucking will. And how it got that's how it goes. I don't look it, man, I'm fighting uphill battle. I was a looked at as a pro wrestler.

People only see me as Enzo and more too. They don't like I could have went and played, you know, a gothic guy that fucking stabbed you, you know what I mean? Like whatever like that, that's who you play on Z. Yeah, this is your character. So like, yeah, there's an ounce ounce of Enzo and Eric, you know what I mean, or a couple of ounces, just maybe a couple of fucking you know, short of a fucking quop.

But I'm in there. It seems like, you know, with that incident, the false allegations really kind of changed your life for sure. Man, it's silver lining, right. I just said to you, my little brother, he shot Motley Cruz post Malone, right, he shot fucking justin Bieber's most recent video, he shot He's done everyone, my bro. He shot his first music video it was Phoenix. Wow, my music video

got fucking like three point eight million views. And that's my first ever fucking song, not to mention the millions of streams it did for me. And that was his first video. That was his first video. It put him on Man, what is opportunity if you don't provide it to others around you, especially your family? And I came from you know, a small town. My dad was a DJ,

all right. I got handed a microphone byle I was time I was thirteen, like a club radio or mitzvahs, bot Misah's clubs, corporate events, anything that paid mobile other fucking mobile DJ. Yeah, that's my dad. Gig man, My dad did that. My brother picked up the camera and started filming the weddings and shit. Next thing you know, I'm out there doing the macarina and the chow chaw slide with the kids and shit. I already had this naturally in me, because this is the food on my

dad's table. We don't eat if we don't get return business. So you better take all the stickers off the sunglasses when you give him out during the Blues Brothers song, you better fucking put the lays on the women and make sure they don't have the tags on them okay, like we're doing a gentleman's choice dance the fucking you know ship off the Rose. It was like that I had to be nice to the kids, right, I gotta be out there with kids and getting them to do

that who let the Dogs out? And fucking dancing with kids? Man? How natural was that of a transition to deal with these children in pro wrestling? And I was just lucky, you know that that I had a father who exposed me to a trade that I didn't realize was a trade it is. You know, it's like if your dad's

a mechanic and he teaches you about cars, great. I didn't realize what my dad was doing when I'm sitting there hitting play for the fucking intros for the bridal party, you know, like, yeah, he's out there on the microphone with a whole fucking room of people, So you learn something from there. But he definitely music is in my veins and it's always been there. That's dope, man. And and my brothers, you know, got these opportunities, so that would that would have never happened if I was still

on the WWE. I also made a music video with my brother for my grandma who passed away. It's a PG record. It's not a record where I'm cursing, but a tail Mary full of gray, tail, Mary full of green, might have lost my mind and never lost my faith. I'll Mary fill of grace. So it's this church song and it's me and my grandma in the music video. She passes away a few months later. Wow, So I knew she was dying, and my brother and I made

this song and shot this video Grace. Check it out on real one YouTube, And it's touched more people at meet and greets that I meet than so much the things I've done in wrestling. I've had two lyrics on people's arms from that song that I've taken my pen and they've gotten that inked on them And Wow, So like that is so man. That wouldn't have happened. I was in WW I would have been on the road, and I wouldn't have spent the last six months of my grandmother's life living. I live with her. I lived

across the street. I went home. That's what I did. I got fired. I left my brother here in LA and I went home. I took I left the party, I left everything behind and I went home and I now I own a music studio and a boxing gym, State of Fitness Boxing Club in New Jersey. So I set my foot in the ground and it's like, yo, if music doesn't work out next week, next year, ten years from now, I own a music studio and I'll

be making money off music forever. And you gotta, I mean, you're gonna make You're gonna make money forever based on your legacy and professional which is insane. Yeah. Seven years in the w w E, that's so much. I always be up there with the with with merch too, because I feel like, for a while, dude, I feel like our rookie year, we were number one, which is unheralded. People in the rookie year don't become the number one merchaned. You guys have the baby man. We ows two people,

cups two people. You know, two people is more powerful than one person. Shout to cast man. Yeah, shout out the cast man. He killed it so and now he's killing it now he's back out there. Bro. But but the music man, you need to play me a motherfucking beat. Bro. I need to sit here and prove my motherfucking itself. Bro. I mean, we could do that if you'd like, so,

we have to. Would you you know what's crazy? Because obviously I always look at you, as I said, like in a ship in recent memory, I think of you. I think of Paul Hayman as like my favorite guys to just watch talk shit on the mic. It's funny I stole from him. Right. My name is Paul Hayman. My name is enzol Bro. When you walk into a room, introduce yourself, that's pretty much you know standard? Right now? Why not? Right? How many people did that? Not many?

I was gonna say, would you ever come back as a manager? Never? Not in a millionaires? I belong in the ring. I'm a wrestler and people didn't know, but I didn't care to show. And I still don't, you know, I still don't. If you come to my boxing Jim and you're a young wrestler like this kid, Casey, I'll get in the ring with you and I will show you takedowns and show you wristlocks and show you holds and show you shoot fucking MMA and Judo takedowns. But

that's not Enzoel Moray enzoea Moray Bro. We have Chad Gable out there. That guy was an Olympian. Why the fuck would my character go out there and try to wrestle him. My character's gonna kick him in the nuts and fucking pull up bag overs had beat the shit out of them. That's who I play. Would you ever, well, has there been any discussions of bringing you back to WW or any I've heard I've heard things. We trended

me and cass uh in the world with these rumors. Uh. And it was funny because the blame was put on me saying, oh, Enzo starting rumors about itself. And it's hilarious because I found out down the line from somebody in the building that it was talked about in NXT and because I've probably shot down. But fucking how would

I know. I didn't start the I mean, you know, I don't watch it, but I hear from everyone who's there that are my friends that they are having the time of their life, they love working for Tony Khan, and that the crowds are incredible and the houses are good and the fans are avid. So like, I mean, I'm not in this situation where I need to get back out there, but I understand the value of television what it does for you, what it does for your career, what it would do for my music, what it would

do for my face and my brand in general. Like, I get it, and I need that for my mom and dad. Honestly, it's not even about me. It's like I got taken off a mountaintop and the worst fashion, you know, But in reality, I never even got a phone call from police. Bro, we're talking about a tweet. You know, I don't know what you ever heard. But the shit ain't fucking real around here. You know, this

shit is fucking fugacy. It's not fucking crazy, right that, Like, uh, you literally get a tweet, a tweet, someone tweets that you do something, and then you're fired, but you're blasted on the internet. And then I will give the people the benefit of the doubt here. They might have said some crazy shit at the start, and I was a heel and I was a bad guy, and there was some haters, But Bro, five thousand people came to see me in Times Square the night I dropped the Phoenix

music video. Wow, I sold out Times Square by my fucking self. I in that moment realized, dog, if I don't figure this out, like I don't need to go back to w W. E that's fun. Thousand people in Times Square right now. I gotta fucking figure this out, monetize it something. So you know, I'm working on a podcast with E f N and No Yeah the drinking so Spiff TV and the guys that drink Champs are giving uh Zoe the mic and and we're gonna do the Realist Chat, the Realist chimps you on. You know,

one of the interviews I loved. I heard you on Stone Colts podcast a few years ago felt like a few years ago. How long? Man, that is the coolest dude ever. He's the guy that don't let you down. You know they say when you meet you, Yeah, dude, he exceeds all expected, Like you are exactly who I hoped you would be. Beyond it dude, he always answered when I called him, I won't test it out anymore

because I don't have anything to act. If I had some if I had some wrestling ship I needed, you know, Snoe,

call for maybe. But man, he was so cool. I would call him on the road when I was in w W and be like, yeah, I'm going through this, I'm going through that, and he would be like by bo he always would say that, like right, like you hear, you know, when you watch these wrestling documentaries or when you're kind of a nerdy wrestling fan, you hear about the heat word that you brought up earlier, or like how how there's certain guys that are backstage who are

like a locker room guys, Like we always hear about how the Undertaker would like lead the locker room back in the day. I think you're dealing with a whole new world, a whole new culture, and that shit is probably not as good as dead, but is a dye, is a dying culture. I would imagine you're talking about they policed the boys in the locker room during an era where everyone was on steroids, doing pills, drinking, doing coke. They're needed policing. You needed a big ass motherfucker who's

going to rain down some hell and some terror. You know, now we're getting drug tested and Fortune five hundred company and you're going out there and you're doing all these you know, make a wish and this that you have a certain level of professionalism that's maintained in the building to begin with. If you walk through the door and you're not going to get through the door. If you can't be like so like that's another thing for me. It's like, yo, you got to know me for seven years.

I worked for the WWE, right, you know me, and I was here doing make a wish shit with kids and you know me. So when you fire me, you make me look really fucking bad when you know that I didn't do this. You know who I am. You know I'm a good motherfucker. So that was my only gripe at that time. I wasn't better reach out to you it all. That was another thing I never heard from anybody. But I'm not fucking bro. They got bigger fish pride. The show goes on, man, next day, I'm gone.

The show goes on. The wheels keep turning. You're just cogging the wheel. Russell Mania is a billion dollar brand. WWW is a billion dollar brand. They're two separate brands. I mean, raw and SmackDown might be billion. I don't fucking know. But I'm just saying that thing is gonna keep going no matter what. And I was lucky to be there, lucky to have my opportunity. And it's a very thin line that you walk when you get on someone else's TV show and your ego says that you're

gonna do this or you're not gonna do that. You know, I think you got to be a team player to be there. I don't think anybody gets on the show if they're not. I can imagine you had, as you would say, a cuple haters. Who was I think that for sure I had haters, But man, people didn't say that shit I was gonna say in the locker room. Was there anybody who you had any sort of rivalry with or who just no. I definitely had an incident or two that led to some hands being thrown, but

that's just fucking comes with the territory. And if you didn't get there, then you probably didn't get on TV and you didn't get to the top. And I've been in the main event and it's literally come off the heels of a physical altercation backstage. I'm not going into details, Bro, I'm a gangster. The dog ain't get me to shit here and talk about that shit I'm saying, Bro, I don't talk shit about people. That's not my moo. I don't have to bury anybody. I get paid to bury

people don't get ain't. I ain't gonna bury you unless I'm out there building towards a match and there's some money involved and we're working an angle Because if you want me to talk shit, I'm gonna do it better than anybody in the fucking world. So why am I gonna waste my breath? You know it's not gonna build anything. What uh for you? Like? Now that you're would you say that you're mostly focused on the music ship? Yeah? Man,

I think well that's a lie. I mean, I have a film project that I'm working on that is real and uh, I just don't want to give away details and just you'll see it when it happens. And then I'm assuming you're I'm also in a movie called Jersey Bread that's coming out. Shout out Greg Russo and Lorenzo Uh, guys gave me the role. Then I'm I'm working on a film about wrestling a TV series, So you know that's exciting. Yeah, I know that the music is full,

full fucking focus. That's the reason why I'm here today. I know we got talk about wrestling, but that's I'm also a fucking big race. It's natural though. It happens anytime I sit down for an interview. I got to go back and rehash the John Cena's story, and I got to tell people how it started because it's you know, but hey, I'm curious because you did say that you guys had the uh some, I mean the merch How does that work in w w E? They made Like what do you get off of that? Like, if you

off of each T shirt, standard is five percent. If you're in a tag team, two point five percent, you split it. Me and cast split five percent. As the number one merchandise sellers in the WWE, we made eight million dollars on the certified GT shirt in a year for them. That's just that shirt. That's not including all the houses, all the places that we went to, the bookings. That's just that shirt. So we can go all their numbers. We knew what our our worth was and at a

certain point, I think towards the end I didn't. I didn't. I didn't give a fuck, And I think it showed on TV and I think it became the best shit on TV at the time. You gave me the microphone. I never was gonna curse, man, I was never gonna say the wrong thing, and they trusted me. How else do you get the microphone or a billion dollar branded show that's live, the only live. This ain't the Grammys or the Emmy. We ain't rewinding shit dog. So yeah, man,

I I uh, I was lucky. Man, you get that microphone. That's the opportunity of a lifetime to change everything. How because I know that you still do you still sell your merch and yeah, man, I got some shirts on Collar and Elbow brand dot com and uh pro Wrestling Teas dot com. You can search endzo. But I sell my merch at live events and when I do autograph signings, you do money. You do a lot of the conventions.

Oh hell yeah, brother, I'm out there with Kevin Nash and the fucking Steiner Brothers and fu fucking fucking Nasty Boys, just a fucking real, real nostalgia act and so out here just fucking running a muck dude at these conventions. Man, It's unreal that wrestling literally provided me a retirement plan. Like you can autographs off that seven year running the WWE forever and make enough money to pay my bills.

I'm not gonna be rich doing that, and some towns I'm gonna run dry and I have to end up in Chillcloth, Ohio and fucking health there in Columbus and hockey. You know, But what's been the how about this? What's been the most random place? So far? Wrestling has taken you just city venue, into China, Ecuador, Chili, Peru, Japan, New Zealand, Australia, everywhere in Germany, the UK, Wales, Ireland, Spain, Madrid, Romeport, Singapore, Singapore,

quitar Abu, Dhabi, Dubai, Saudi Arabia, Italy? Did you ever get seen everything? Did you ever do any of those? I mean, there's really not much how to Saudi Arabia. I never wanted to be the guy who's in the main event, you know what I mean. I just wanted to be the guy who could have a good time. Get the flight, get the trip, get the flight, get the babe, get the hotel room, do the dale. That was it for me back then. I mean I've grown up and and you only get to do that once.

And that's why I mean, like, yo, I lived your dream. Like when I say that, I'm like, yo, if you're a wrestling fan, you watch this, dude. I drove a motorcycle to fucking work in Florida, Dog fucking Harley, no helmet on had lived Morgan on the back, Like what the fuck cast was dating Carmela. We were young, we were getting drunk every fucking night, seeing the world for the first time. Everywhere you went there was a new party. Now I'm single and I'm on the road and I'm

fucking living life. Bro, you only get to be famous for the first time once, and lord knows, I did not fucking hesitate to have a good time. I couldn't believe it. It's like, you go out and people are buying you beers. It's like, what the fuck, bro, Like, when I was broke, you wouldn't buy me shit. Now everybody wants to buy me a drink, Everybody wants to fucking bring me to the restaurant. Everybody wants to you know. So it was it was an adjustment, and uh, I

didn't have to adjust. I enjoyed it. I just didn't give a fuck. But you don't realize that you got that target on your back. Now you're the number one merchandise seller in the world of pro wrestling. You're the biggest star in pro wrestling. You're a rookie. You're a rookie. They're treating you like a rookie. You're flying coach, you're in the back of these airplanes. You're absolutely exposed to people.

You don't have security. You're going everywhere and getting bombarded by people and fans, and like, you don't want to be too big for your bridges, But the company also doesn't want to make you too big for your bridges, So they don't want to let you know that you are the star that you are. But you're out here living a risky life. I mean, you're trying to get You know, a girl you meet at the bar, she's like, oh,

you're a pro wrestler. My name's fucking Linda, right. Meanwhile, Linda's fucking husband's down the street and her name's Samantha. You know, Like, how the fuck would I know? How would I know that risk every night? I'm in town for one night and now for a good time, not a long time, you know, like fucking living. How How are the WWE groupies, cause there are some they're beat bro, you have to you have to be I'm not getting into this. Look, can I have a girl now? All right?

I'm not trying. I don't even mean that. I just mean, like that's you know why. I just mean in terms of like you're fucking awesome. Man. What about on the music side, what is coming soon? Man? Some of them have a less brain cells than teeth, and others have less teeth than they have brains. See, that's what I was asking. There is some of that going on. If you want a gum drop, there's definitely some ladies out

there willing to give you a gummy. But I fucking I mean, man, it's you know, it's more about like the social game, right once you're once you surpassed you know, a million followers or something like, you kind of made it in the in the outside of the realm of wrestling. Now you're an influencer too, your boat world. Yeah, what about and I was the first guinea pig to get shit canned with a million followers and had to be like, bro, what like what happened to we monetize? It is like

how do I make money? Like? What do I do? It's crazy because it's crazy some of the things that like would go down that you would hear about, Well, they don't let third party shit happen on ww E. But aew, apparently like this guy is giving contracts to people that are allowing them to go do other things. So you can go work for Tony Kahan, go wrestle, and then also do your own endorsement deal, do your own endorsement deal, go be in a movie, go fucking Yeah.

It's kind of crazy, you know, but I you know, it's a great opportunity for people to really, really really reinvent the way money's made in this business right now. And he's kind of fucking really shaking, But you know what, at the end of the day, he can shake the cage all he wants, Bro, the cage is still gonna be there. It's not going anywhere. Yeah, Vince is not going nowhere. Dude. Ww's a brand and it's good for life,

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we doing? Odd socksofficial dot com. Bootleg keV is the promo code save twenty percent off. Right now, let's get back to the interview. I was surprised to see Cody Roags go back, dude. I saw a picture on Twitter today of his peck that he tours the bruise. I thought that I was, like, dude, hell, I thought it was I thought it was somebody put Triple H's body on Cody's Cody's head on Triple Ah's body. Because he also looks. I remember that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought

that's what that was. I didn't realize that actually happened, so I don't know. You can fill me in now. He my son was telling me about the match because he watched it yesterday. It was a hell in a cel match. I guess he had a torn peck and still did the whole match, and then one uh seth Rollins came out in a Dusty get up with the polka dots and bro If I if I could wrestle two people in the world for money angle, like the most money angles that are out there, it would have

to be Cody and Roman. Like Who's who? Who better to you know? But to me Cody, I never really got to know him, which the way it just worked like I was in n XT, he was in w W he left, and like we just didn't ever running. But I worked with Dusty and I got to know Dustin pretty well. But the work that Cody's put in are crazy. The matches, like I'm crazy. I don't watch wrestling, right, but I went out of my way to watch gold

Dust versus Cody. Rhoads and Dude probably locked up like six seven times at the beginning, and I was so happy. I was so late. You don't see guys do the old school lock up, like lock up once, all right, now go behind. It's like, nah, dude, remember back in the day they saw it, and why did they lock up? Because that was when they were talking to each other. Because back in the day, they didn't talk in the

back for twenty minutes about what they're gonna do. They figured it out while they were out there, So when they're locking up, there's communication sometimes, you know, you know, I just I think that he kind of brought wrestling back to an old school style of match where it fit well when I guess, you know, aw has like look at young bucks do the craziest shit right, and some guys like Jim Cornett old school guys will be like, oh, that's fucking wrong, it's bullshit, And I'm like, Yo, if

the crowd's going nuts, then it's right, then it's right. I don't care if it doesn't make sense and they're fucking going nuts. I'm not that guy. I'm not that guy, but I can be nitpicking and I can always sit there and be like, oh, that was that was stupid, that was bullshit. That sucked though that should have been here or whatever. But Cody, Dude, the pacing, the slow that I feel like I'm watching NWA in nineteen eighty eight.

He did such a great job of leaving and then going over to like New Japan and just bouncing around, and then it just kind of all came to a perfect head when aw launched, and he was, yeah, man, it was timing. Like we've talked about timing. Timing is everything, man, randomly right place, right time. I moved to la in twenty sixteen into twenty sixteen. The place I rent, I go to look at the place, Brandy rhoads answers the door, and I'm like me and my wife, I'm like, hey,

I was like, maybe that's not her, okay. Then we walk in and there's fucking like the dusty Roads fucking boot on top of the entertainment center and I'm just like, your Brandy Roads, no way, that's wild. And I'm like, uh, I've interviewed your husband a bunch, you know, like at WrestleMania. I would always do the radio rooms and shit. She's like, oh yeah. So I ended up renting their old house

and living in it for five years because they go way. Yeah, because like I moved to La and they that's where you lived in Tampa. No, here in La in La they had a spell. Yeah, I didn't know Cody lived out here. I thought he lived in He had a place in Burbank. And they moved to Atlanta because remember they were shooting that reality show. Dude, Atlanta was just so they ended up moving to Atlanta. I'm just living Atlanta that like because of the airport, you know. Yeah,

And it's crazy. It's crazy because like I would still get their fucking mail and have to send it off to them and ship. But yeah, it was so random like that. I ended up living for five peop one of them fucking aw Paychhakes brother. No, I didn't get any of that ship. But it's super random, man, So what do you do in music wise? What's next for you? So?

I got a couple of tracks that I just released, hip Hop Real one, r E A L Number one, Not the Word and uh, I got Cinematic Universe and m n j as if Eminem and jay Z Renegade. So it's a play on those. Uh that song Renegade in the record, Man, that record kind of changed my life when I was a kid. I remember I was a sophomore playing varsity football and I was riding around with the seniors, you know, going to the games on Friday night. Lights we were playing on Saturday. You're out

there like looking for a fight. You know, the other teams are all going in, like the Friday night game. And I was in the car and they played Renegated just came out and they had that ship bumping in the car and we were on our way. I felt like a badass, you know, a young kid like with the older seniors, you know, go and look for a fight. And I just remember it never got better, meaning just rap music, just like I'm here now, Like that was it. Yeah,

I remember that moment. It never got better. I had another one of those. It never got better. I may I've had a few of those, but nothing better, man, because Renegade was fucking unbelievable. And uh, two guys that influenced me so much, and and a lot of you know the persona man the yellow hair right Eminem and shit and uh talking shit on the mic, and you know eight Mile the movie, and uh, jay Z went

gave me. I went to college because of jay Z. Listening to his music opening up businesses I got, I put money aside, I had business plan, and I looked at my circle and said, no, not you. Yeah you. It's like he was. He was giving game the whole time he was cutting records, and I loved that and I and I love hip hop and I a lot. You have a fucking Wu Tang logo on your body? Yeah, man, you know what's cool about that? Man? I remember, so I'm at Rolling Loud. My little brother's shooting it. He's

on stage, he's filming Travis Scott. Travis Scott's going out, and everybody wants me to stick around for Travis. But they're playing at the same time as Wu Tang, and I was like, uh, fuck Travis Scott, no offense, I'm going to watch Wu Tang. And not that I don't like Travis write music, but I like Wu Tang Beta. Yeah, sorry, fair enough. So I fucking I got everybody mad at me for this, right, And I remember being so pissed off, you know, and like it just had a shitty day

at Rolling Loud, so I was like, fuck this place. So, uh, you know, it was just like a fucking backstage was just a shit show. You know what I'm saying, Oh, rolling loud backstage is a fucking shit shit show up, a play shit show. And I was just like, I'm fucking over this for sure. Do All I wanted to do was see Wu Tang and I had to wait this whole fucking day for this. So now everybody's trying

to dragon the Travis. I'm like, nah, So I go see Wu Tang and I'm on side stage and I'm standing there and I'm watching them fucking like twenty feet away. I'm rapping along. I'm just loving it. I've never met Wu Tang. I hear Wu Tang like wrestling, but I've

always heard that, but I don't know. You know, And in all my years, I've met motherfucking dude Jerry Seinfeld, gotten to know Dave Chappelle, gotten to know Jeff Ross, some great comedians, gotten to know some actors the weekend, and and you know, met Drake and like, I met some motherfuckers, right bro, Nothing was like this. I was speechless, and it's hard to get me speechless. It's hard to

get me at a loss for words. But as they're getting off stage, I'm like, oh damn, i'd love to meet one of the guys from Wu Tang and just any one of them fuck rolls by ray Quador, fucking met whatever and all of a sudden Math looks up and goes yo and and so. And I was like he came up to me, asked me for a picture, and you could see in the picture on my phone, I have tears in my eyes. I was so like I made it. That was like my I made it moment. Method.

It could have been any it could have been anybody else. Dog No, this was like my I made it moment. I was like dog method man knows who I am, Like fucking Wu Tang I after tattoo here like fucking meth knows me. So I was that was cool, But uh, I usually never get shook or rattled by anyone. That was that. I think it was just the climax of a fuck you day that just finally came it. You went through this day for this moment, and that's what like welled up tears in my eyes. It's like it

was all worth being here at this ship show. Yeah, rolling out is a fun day, but it's a long day and it's uh yeah it was hot out, dude. I was wearing pants was out here, it was, it was in Queens. Yeah, it was a nightmare. Shout out to Jersey. Man, So you got the gym, you got the studio? H yeah, man, I so I own a music studio, Cinderellaman Studios in North Bergen, New Jersey, seventy

third Street and Bergen Line. If you are an artist, then you are hungry and you want beats, and you want production, and you need guitars, you need pianos, you need fucking drums. I have everything in house, beautiful studio. Yeah. So you thought about launching your own weed straight now that it's kind of lego out there, Oh yes, absolutely, I want. I want to start selling grams like I used to when I was in fucking high school, called them certified. Jeez, I like it. What selling grams? Point

eights kid? All right, point eight They're gonna make you put them in eighth bags. I was busting down to point seven point eight bag, you know what I mean.

I was fucking a scum bag. Yeah. And that's another thing, right, Like, man, my story's so crazy, right because like I was in the mix with the wrong crowd growing up right, and some of most of my friends are dead, all from drum overdosing, overdose, every one of them, like more recently over the fentanyl shit or Yeah, definitely lost a few friends over the past few years like that were really close. So imagine if I grew up with like fifteen kids in a circle, there's about six of us left. Wow,

no bullshit. Mostly people don't like I know a lot of people, and most people didn't see as many deaths as I saw amongst their circle with drugs. It was kind of like your town where from Yeah, Jersey, right outside New York City, you got access to anything you want, and we were in and out of alleys and smoking pot and doing kids are doing blowing shit, Like I was smart enough to not want to do that. But the best thing that ever happened to me growing up

was I was on probation for high school. So imagine, I have to piss test, so now I can't do you can't do anything. And that kept me in football and kept me in college because of football. So like, if it wasn't for that pissed test, I probably would have been fucking up with my buddies. But I didn't have a choice because I got into fistfights and I got into I was on probation, had to go to anger management ship. Oh, anger management sucks. I've been there,

incredible shout shout out my man south Patrussa. I haven't said your name in a long time. We used to fucking smoke pot right after we got pistol. Let me ask you this, do you do anger management? You're sitting around and you're in a room full of people who like beat the ship out there, you take that last piss test and you smoke that fucking right outside. I never had right outside of bergen Ie Plaza. Motherfucker bergen

One Plaza. Anybody who's a fucking g knows what burgen One Plaza is when you're a juvie and you're in some trouble after he goes. When I was eighteen, I had to do like court. I was bad. Yeah, that was a bad kids didn't deserve it. And I try to just anger manage just I would just sit every Saturday. I'm just sitting around these these motherfuckers, like damn everybody just in a competition of being quiet. I'm just like,

who are Like? Who am I sitting with? Like one guy would be like This is like, obviously he's fucking been in and out of prison his whole life, probably beat the ship out of his wife. And I'm just sitting next to him. Oh yeah, wait, you were adults and ship, oh you were eight. Yeah. Also he had to go within adults and sha fucking broke a chair at my house. Oh damn. It was a criminal damage? What criminal damage? You can't break your own ship? You

didn't know? You want to hear a good story though? Well, out here in a WWE where we got some people skinny dipping in the pool late night, two am. We're fucked up Florida, drinking in the NXT and we're all drunk, and I know the girl and the guys that are in the pool naked, and I'm not in the pool. These are wrestlers, Yeah, wrestlers. A couple of wrestlers, a couple of ladies. So whatever, I'm not getting into details.

I wasn't looking okay, So here's what happens. They're in the pool and the security I spy is calling the police and he is fiddling with the gate. So the security's rolling up on him and I pull up on him. I'm like yo, and he's like, Yo, do you know these people? I'm like, no, man, I don't know. He's like, oh, they're trespassing. I call the police. I'm like, oh really, oh shit, who is it? And I fucking get behind the guy ring positioning and I just launch him into

the fucking pool. Bro. He fly, fucking phone, goes flying in the air, fucking flashlight, goes up in the air, comes hits the water like a cat in and out dog drenched head to toe in his full fucking security outfit. Right, he's a little Spanish guy's real skinny, and he's just got the clothes sticking to him, right. And he gets up and he runs and he and he and he gets out of the pool and goes to chase me.

And as I'm running away, he just slips like three four times because he's this is a apartment complex, a part of the complex. He's soaking fucking wet. So Big Cast goes downstairs because he hears Enzo's a h Enzo just got into a fighter. He's got the cops called on him or something. And Cast is like, no, like, this is my career, you know. Yeah, yeah, you guys are tied to each other. Yeah, it's like, he runs downstairs and all a sudden he's freeze. So he puts

his hands up the Cast. He's like, oh my god. He turns around, he doesn't have his glasses on, and he realizes, like the guy's coming up to him is the security guard. It's not the cops. And he's like, why the fuck am I some of the Freezer's like there's a Portraders like, what do you mean he is? He's throwing people in the pool. Cast is like, wait a second. He threw you in the pool. I pay to live here. You're supposed to protect me. Bro, Like fuck you. So that so that I ended up moving

in with Cast into that apartment. I would walk by that guy all the time and he would just look at me. I had to buy him. I had to buy him a new cell phone because they watched the footage back but they didn't know who it was. That was a good one. That was a good one. When you guys you threw a stranger in a pool, Bro and a security guard outfit. Oh yeah, I get thrown in a pool. There's things I did as a kid, you know. That's just there's no bigger, better adrenaline rush

than doing something terribly wrong and running. Yeah, I mean like when you're just sprinting away from the police as a kid because you threw eggs at a car or something. Your time was question your time in Orlando. Did you ever end up at Mike Busey's house? Never never made it to the Sausage Castle. I A I love Mike Beausy. He can ever pulled me there. I almost went there the first time I met post Maloney. Shout out my man, Posty Bro. He was definitely all up in the he

was up in there. Yeah, the Sausage Castle. Girl Bro. I was always caught up with a girl every time the Sausage Castle came around, and I knew better like a wild place. Man, it's a good time. I hear from people. Man. My brother went there, I Betty did. Yeah. It was very much like, uh, the Juggalo version of the Playboy Mansion. It was like, it's a legend. He has the WrestleMania three ring in his backyard. That is

the Andre the Giant. I didn't know Coking Ring. I didn't know that Mike got the I just know that. I just know every veterans day he has this one old white Have you heard about this. I know all about it. He's just got this old white lady, Jenny Jizz, and she's posted up at the Sausage Castle, and it's open season for any veterans that come to Mike Bucy's house, and she serves them orally. She's a good Americans and their husband and her husband good American. She's a great American.

Don't ever discount Jenny. She and her husband Mike to like. Yeah, her husband just sits there and watches. Oh he's a cook, he's something. Oh he's a cook. Yeahbody, Florida is a wild place, man. You spend a lot of time there. Fuck, would you ever move back to Florida? Uh? Yeah, why not? You're in Jersey right now. Yeah, I'm in Jersey, man. I've spent some time out here in l A too. Get out of here pretty often. Have a brother that lives here in the room, so have a best friend.

Shout out my man, sugar free Rich. All you people who need fucking fat free meals out here in l A. Like guys like fucking Pacino, call him sugar free Rich because there's no sugar food, no sugar in his food. So if you're a Keto, you might want to go to Sugar Sam at Sugar Free Rich are you Keo's serving? He's serving Bieber salmon. If the salmon's good enough for Bieber, it's good enough for you. Oh so he's serving Okay, serving them up? Dog? Nice serving them up? Like how

in shape you stay to this day? When I was in the WWE, I did not work. Yeah, man, I just went out and drank, and my wrestling matches is where I got my cardio? Do you do it more? Now? It's funny because like people like and like, you know, he's small, I'm like, bro, like yeah, because I didn't need to be big. You guys clearly liked me the way I was when I came out and cast is seven foot fall in big, so the pressure dog I didn't. I also was like, yo, dude, like this ship ain't

like it's it's it's you can't dude. It doesn't matter how much you bench press, doesn't matter, how much fucking squad, doesn't matter how many MMA fights you have, it doesn't matter. This ship is pro wrestling. So I was like, yo, I played an athlete in real life when I played college football. I don't have to be an athlete here, and I'm bigger, bigger than the chatter, bigger than the people who say that I don't know what I'm doing, bro getting the ring with me. Listen to these people.

You've never heard them this loud, You've never gotten them to this point, you fucking idiot. Well listen, man. I hope I hope you make a return to WW one day. But before you or I do, you're gonna play me a fucking beat man. Okay, we're gonna We're gonna get a beat man thro the fucking trying fun. We got some headphones for you. Oh, we gotta put the headphones on for it too. Yeah, come on, man, we gotta make sure you're you're your official, like a referee with

a whistle. There it is. I really do this now, I really do this, and I hope I hope it on. Funk up. Let's go. We got that beat and want to play on. People think this ship ain't real man, Okay, the music's real, baby, the real one is real. One. I g check out the music streaming on all platforms. Got to crush this bitch. H A lot of people lout of buying. I ain't fucking selling in my my wrestling a place at dwelling ninet into dwelling. We could

talk about the beach and talk about the president. Puny subject matter. I would like the devil like the nation, housing crisis and recession, education, kids getting ain't getting adolessents, automatic weapons and depression, suicide, prevention, over population, incorrections, policies, overseas, CBD, how it's helping the phileptics, transgression per epidemic, big money, big business, big form of badcarma, synchronized message. So let me know, here's your visual. Will A listen up and

let the radio tell it? Yeah? Yeah, Miley Perkins said, Miley Perkins said. Miley Perkins said. Miley Perkins said, futures in your head might as well manifested in yourself. Make the ultimate investments, say a prayer. If you believe in resurrection, you believe in Christy, you believe in Amaghetti. But if he talked on beats and Jesus walks in geese, could you accept it or rejected? How make believers out of skeptics. I'm a pope, rabbit out of yeas maggot hat live

and fucking Gretchen. We should go on. Joe Rogan. I could talk a lucidgenics called Steve shoot the Breeze three sixteenth, how it's not second top on CNN Tonight, shed the limelight on the lemon. I could post up on the couch. I could dance around with Allen and I could spoke a fucking oounce with Action Bronx in up the session, like fuck, that's deliciouship. My clutches the Dutch. My vice is five stars shifting. The only time you've seen me sweating my shirt? I bet I did it shredded like

some fucking subway lettuce bunny Ranch. Ain't no fucking house dressing. I'm in my birthday suit. You looking at the naked truth, like, how you doing? Yeah, that's a statement, not a question. Rose Man's baby, immaculate conception going to break the ruse. Ain't no immaculate reception. I ain't getting caught. It's this shit that can't be taught. I ain't never paid attention. I still over that bit something I am. And she ain't gonna get it because she's the fucking lovely Rose

Man's baby. And Rose ain't raised no dummy. Now she raised the rent off on wind, heaving down hell saying immaculate conception. How you doing? That's a statement, not a question. I'm e a all day, I'm open twenty four seven, and I ain't open to suggestions. I beat My man says, well, we got of there six and trade way a couple of motherfucking feelings. I don't represent, never got an f I'm a fifty SI in ethic. I don't need no cold sign. I ain't asking for protection. If you talk

about a more rate, you can fucking get it. If we talking about a more rate, bitch, I fucking get it. I'm my own man, got my own brand, built it with the microphone tag it down. My hand was shining tally. He can turn the plains any motherfucking second. Y'all already know Mount Saint Zoe's about to blow, uh like Mount Saint Helen's. I got New York Life insurance. I got

five Burough credit raps, Chris STAPs. They try and give me a charge a euro Stepe money bag wedding dand you wait and bite it to the wet and stranger things on the mic. On a scale from one to tell my bitch a certified eleven off the charts, some one the charts. You're on the stay away that heavy. You should probably get to step in the little sepling. I can handle you follow brewe and you getting led.

I'm gonna smith the wessling in my words of fucking weapons, load Cockadamic, popular fucking Melloon classic session, hands down on the man, say take it, fucking question and i ain't teaching on them preaching, but I'm gonna be like a revering up his dreaming up, yelling up and dreaming up his sweating. We were a three piece. You speak at you, ray lewis like the hall of Fame, and Sason ain't know what goes on our team. My wislow. That ain't

hurrah king killing. This is the common force, the storm Roseman's baby amac conception. Okay, how you doing, how you fucking doing? Don't ever tell me I ain't fucking rapping. Don't ever tell me I ain't the gold rap. I'll put that ship on my Willie Walker right now, fucking when he ate. Goddamn man. Appreciate your time. Brother, I'm a fan. I'm just down. Check out the new music.

Check out the new music, and I hope to see you like on TV again soon Man, I hope the world gets to see the talent that has been fucking hidden in the in the Are you in cast social media? You in Castile friends? Yeah? Hell yeah. Man. Just all I'm saying, bro is look it. Shit ain't easy. Shit ain't easy getting on TV. My man, Big Cast is back on TV, and people that don't know my man tried to take his own life and he was heavy into the substance, you know, alcohol and alcohol is the devil.

So I just want to give a shout out to Big Cast real quick for getting back on his fucking feet and back on TV because I remember when it was just the dream to be on TV for me and him, and things get jaded and you lose, you know, But man, take yourself back to that moment where you got on TV for that first time. Well Cast, you made it back. So I'm happy for Big Cast, So keep your eyes peeled for him on AW. Support me Major League Wrestling. I'm doing some work with MLW. Shout

out Court Bauer, those guys are great. Shout out Spiff TV and Nori and EFN. The Realist Champs podcast coming soon. We're gonna rock out, and uh make sure you check out the Music cinematic Universe, M and J. God is good. I cut a fucking trap God record like Yeezy Man and fucking telling it's good. G I G. God is good. There. It is my guy, Enzo Mauri or Enzo or a real one or whatever. You call me anything. You don't call me Chiamp. Just don't call me late for the dinner. We'll be all right.