#189 - Mike Rashid

on it. I love fitness, working out. I worked out my entire life, even different like phases of my life, like when I was in the streets, I still worked out, you know what I mean, every group of friends that I've had, I was a ring leader, getting everybody in the gym my entire life. And now you know, I'm an entrepreneur. I own businesses. I have a sports nutrition business or supplement supplement business. That's that's Kevin Gates Wood

was speaking about your ambrosia free workout. Yeah, yeah, he's with us. That's that's that's my spiritual brother right there. Shout out to keV. Yeah, so yeah, so I got ambrosia. We got the number one plant based protein in the country. It's crazy. I have a healthy snack company called Snackhouse foods, my own a chunk of one of the most successful malprop delivery companies called Trifecta, while killing it going public

soon shout out to Greg. Yeah, and I got like things I do on the digital side, like I have an app for online training and challenges, YouTube channels great, YouTube is popping, you know. I love YouTube, man. That's that's that really was a catalyst for success across all

my businessess YouTube. Yeah, I feel like you are very consistent with the I feel like, you know, people do workout videos and obviously you do interviews, you do just motivational shit, But even just your workout videos are a lot more palatable than like some of the like typical YouTube shit you'd see. That makes sense. They're like more aesthetically, like I could watch this and like, you know why

because you're a hip hop dude. Right, I'm a hip hop dude, so you know, people won't realize why they was liking my videos. But it was like I used to rap, right, and the same people that I was doing my beats and my videos back then, we're doing my beats and videos for the fitness stuff. You know. What I'm saying is a mere perry doing your stuff. Yeah, shout out to a mirror. Hey, real talk. I was

growing up in Phoenix. I remember he had a situation with Squad House and he was like one of the local guys who like always it was like him poke a face, Like there's like a few guys who had like national looks. This is prior to the Man Ups. Well, this is around Man Up Squad. This was yeah, this is when. Yeah, he had his deal already, but we

put together Manup Squad right around that time. Yeah, let's get to so just so you know, I met you when I was like an Internet power Yeah, way back in the day now for people who don't know, I'm originally from Phoenix, and there was you were really popping artists in Arizona. You went by saying Q and there was a group which was kind of crazy, like if it really would have worked out the way it was supposed to work out. Man Up Squad Yeah was like you Willie north Pole, hot Rod Mirror. It was phra

phrase was in it. But then we had a thousand like just guys that was just wanted to be down too. Yeah, And it was like one of the only times where I felt like in Phoenix there was like a real movement that like was like oh shit, Like imagine if all the dopest people in your city came together and like rolled in Unison, and yeah, it was it was dope. It was a dope moment. We got, We got some

magic bro we got some songs from back then. That's still if it was to come out right now, slap ship that nobody even heard, you know what I mean, because we never really put music out, you know, like people knew us. Uh, we hadn't put music out as a collective, right. Everybody had their solo projects. But you know, I take a lot of responsibility for things coming apart because you know, I was doing illegal things and you know you got locked up, right, Yeah, I was on

a run for a long time. So basically like with me, like I was selling drugs. I was selling weed, which is legal now, but you know, whole selling it to the East Coast, to New York, Atlanta. A lot of guys, a lot of guys of a hip hop size, right Oh no, no no, no, for sure you already know you know, so so I know some of them through that, right, But my life, I'm so authentic. I was being authentic all the way across the board, you know what I'm saying.

So I'm making money here, but I'm doing other things in the streets that I probably shouldn't have been doing, you know what I'm saying, And it all caught up to me. So, you know, a lot of violence, a lot of in Arizona. It's a huge state, but it's small every and the cops know everything, you know what I mean. So they bored you know, they know everything to a tea because not only do they know everything, but literally everybody out there is snitching. Like they was

going so hard on me. I had to hire an investigator to find out what was really going on because I thought maybe there was some other secret indictment, you know what I'm saying, because there was some Yeah, I was nervous, damn something like they got they got a heart on from me for some reason, and I had when they got me, had no priors. So, uh, come to find out, there was people that I was around, pretty big people, you know what I'm saying, that had

major cases that were throwing me under the bus. You know, even it was like hearsay stuffs because I kept everybody out of my business, you know what, I'm saying my operation was small. So is that my phone or your phone that's your Jesus Siri might not talk English, so pone what we're doing. That's weird. Continue Yeah, But so anyway, we found out that, you know, like everything, like people, they would always ask about me, and people would give their opinion on what I was doing. And one of

the guys ain't gonna say his name. I looked out for. We caught cases around the same time, but his was state and federal. He was he was done for, but he he worked with them. But he came over recording me with uh in the key fob, michaerophonea key fob? Was this a person in this on the scene in Phoenix at the time? No comment, heels, but yeah, was

it ad Nah? But anyway, so they got me. They heard me saying really bad things, you know what I'm saying because I were trying to figure things out, and I'm like somebody snitching and you know, you know what comes with that. So it was stuff that was not admissible in court, but it seasoned the perspective or the perception of my my prosecutor, you know what I'm saying.

And they tried to use Man up Squad as a gang, and they say I was a gang leader kind of like this this ship they're doing with you know what I'm saying. So they but I was like fuck that. So I had to have a whole like trial to prove they had to prove that I am a gang leader and Man of Squad was a gang. And they didn't have nothing on it because they gotta they gotta show that there were two or three felonies committed in the name of the organized to certify it as a gang.

Beat this shit. This is fucked up. If Now, first of all, when they put you put a gang junction on you, most people don't don't try to fight it right right, right right, and most people say yeah, I'm in such and such gang. They just fucked themselves. So anyway, that's an additional ten years on top of anything that happens if you're if you're considered in a gang, if you have a two year of burglary, getting twelve years just because you're in a quote unquote gang. Right, Wow,

target this shit, you know what I'm saying. And it's crazy because like you know, when if you think about like a guy, like a hot Rod. He was like a mortgage guy before he was run. Yeah, a lot of the guys were not involved in anything. Some of them a mirror that's like my brother right there, man. But great producer, man, great person all around. He separated himself, and I'm glad that he did because the people that

I was really like were really friends of mine. They just seeing the direction and they were just like, I ain't with that shit, and I'm glad they did. And so you know, at the end of the day, it was just me standing there, you know what I'm saying. But I hadn't do it like a man. I did run for a minute. How long were you on the run? Seven years? Seven years? So give me the year to year, like two thousand and seven, six years, two thousand and seven,

everything happened. I caught two kgs one O seven. When eight and O seven it got kind of like dismissed, but without without prejudice so they could bring it back. Right. It was really a weak case, you know then, so I'm out, you know, in eight I called another case. And I'm trying to like at this point, I'm trying to really like straighten up, you know what I'm saying. Actually in O seven, I was trying to straighten up.

But it was like people always say when you're making that kind of money, fast money, like I'm gonna I'm gonna get X amount and then get out. It's impossible, you know what I'm saying. Get it? I mean, yeah, it's I'm sure it can happen, but it's really hard, you know what I mean, because it comes so fast. You spin it just as fast as you get it, because you know you can get it again, you know what I mean. So I was like, fuck, I just got to keep getting it. And the fighting cases was expensive.

So I'm fighting cases ankle bracelet, still trapping, you know what I'm saying. So so eight caught another case. They came and got me. I had a bunch of guns in my house and they brought the other cases. They brought both cases back simultaneously so they can get me on felony release with weapons. So they tried some slick shit pull me over in the middle of the street. It was so over the top. I'm like, all right,

shotguns and shit. But you know, you go through the horseshoe and you see the judge in twenty four hours and she was like okay, well she's about to say the bond and this fucking woman on the side like, actually, you're on it. He doesn't get a bond. He's a dangerous, violent felon. He's a serious crimes and he has all of these guys like eight case you know, Arizona. That shit legal, right, but you know what I'm saying, But

it just looked bad. Yeah. I don't even think it was as legal back then though as it just now, because now it's like it was it was super legal. But I think now, like, okay, I know what it is. It's a law that they got that saved my life called standard ground no Castle doctrine, that's what it's called. They didn't have it when my shit happened, right because everything that happened happened in my house, you know what

I'm saying. You know so, but I was gone for so long by the time they got me, they had that law. So if you're on the run, so you find out your percentually looking at serious time and you decide to just say fuck it. So I tell you, listen, I live life, life, don't live me. Nothing happens to me, I do you know, And I'm not like saying that in a egotistical way, but I will not allow somebody else to determine my faith. It's not happening. And I

didn't feel like what they were trying to get. If they would have said like three years, five years, I was like, all right, it is about fifteen to twenty years with no priors. That's crazy. This ain't happening. So you mean to tell me my kids are going to be adults when I get out. I'm cool and you know, and people don't realize with a violent offense, especially something of the nature of mind, you're in a way worse type of facility. It's gladiator school, you know what I'm saying.

So I'm like, I know I'm gonna be in there having to defend myself catching more cases. So it just looked bleak, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, nah, I'm good, I'm out of here. So where'd you go? All over? You know, over the country. I left the country for a minute, and then, like me, you know, I stayed in communication with my children, and I was like, what the fuck am I doing? Like I went on a run. So they won't separate me from my kids.

But yourself, separated from my kids. So I came back, and you know, I came back. Everybody figured that I would have got caught by that, you know what I'm saying. But I just don't move reckless. I calculate everything. I study everything about Look, I was a valedictorian student all my life, you know what I'm saying, honor student, all of that shit. So I just did research and seeing what I can do. What in CCS whatever that shit's called, what do they track everything? I looked up everything. So

I moved around. So when I got back, people did think that I was gonna get got caught by then, and then some of my friends they were like, yo, you can stay with me and you could come back. I'm like cool, But when I came back, it was a surprise to them, so they was like, I don't know, and rightfully so, because this shit probably wasn't one hundred percent you know what I'm saying, and I'm bringing heat to them, so I didn't even it didn't bother me.

I'm glad that no one allowed me to come stay because it just put a certain type of motivation, a lit a certain fire under me. So I was legit homeless for a minute, bro, and peate this. I'm homeless, right, I had, like I still had shit in the streets like whips and shit like that, other people subleasing it and like motherfucker was talking shit people that was nothing to me. You know what I'm saying, I'm like, what, So I was at a crossroad. I was, you know,

full of fear, full of anger, for of confusion. You know what I'm saying, When you got nothing, I have nothing, right I don't. It looks like I don't have a future. Only I had was like violence and physical force and intimidation. So I'm like, I'm gonna just go to my my my default settings and I'm knocking on doors. So I really was about to like go back to Arizona, you know what I'm saying, and just ruined my life. But

you came back into the country. You you were in Cali. Yeah, but I didn't because you would have went to Arizona, you would have just started. I would have been making rounds for what Nothing comes out of that. So what stopped me was my son, you know what I'm saying. His mother, who's very smart. She made a weird call and was like, hey, you want your son here, I am. She don't even realize I'm homeless. Nobody knew that ship, right, I'm like, yeah, I didn't know how I was gonna

take him or whatever. Get that shit out. So that saved my life, you know what I mean. And it was one day I started getting my shit together. I'm taking him to school. They have a car. I'm walking and he's little, like six kindergarten maybe something like that, and or first grade. So while going to school, when he comes out, I'm there and you know, he can't see me because he's little. I could see him. I see him looking for me, and I seen this one day. Bro.

His eyes lit up when he seen me and just ran just hold onto my leg and then held my hand tight and we walked home. And I was thinking, like fuck, like this little, perfect, little human loves me. I ain't got no car, I'm got no fly shit, you know what I'm saying. And you know, when I had all of that shit, I had nothing but fake love around me, you know what I mean. But this guy loves me, you know what I'm saying, conditionally, unconditionally, So it made me love myself, you know what I mean.

And shit, has been good ever since then. Bro, you know what I mean? So did you ever resolve being on the run the law enforce? Don't you? Nah? Yeah? I did. I did. They Actually, they came and they found me in twenty fourteen, the US Marshals. They came and got me outside the gym and the marshal. It was weird that I was on social media, period, but I was on social media initially to stay in touch

with my family, you know what I'm saying. So I would I started working as a personal trainer, and I would use social media for my clients, like showing their progress, right, video, promote your business, right, And it was giving me a lot more business. Every now and then I throw a little video of myself working out and people were just liking all the content. And then it got to words

more demand for it, and I'm like, fuck it. Like every day you want to run, you're you're not thinking you're free, but you feel a little more comfortable every day while there's this invisible way hanging in the back of your head. It's a dark cloud, dark cloud, bad way to live. I'm sure it was not really it was. It was stressful, but stress is good depending on how you deal with it right. Stress will make you powerful or to break you. You know what I'm saying. It

just made me strong. So and it gave me a certain sense of urgency to live and to be in a moment, in the moment, because you never know. Every day, every day, Bro, there's many days that I'm imagining them in my like at the door of my apartment. The worst case scenario fifteen to twenty is serious. Everybody every day came and then as a as a fugitive, it's an enhancement FOJ enhancement. So you know you're looking at

more time, you know what I'm saying. So, so what happened where we were at we were talking about how you were working out. The US Marshals carry the gym, so social media, so my ship just start going viral. I'm like, fuck, I can't even stop it. Well, fuck it. We'll see what happens. And then it's like people was like reaching out to come train with me and shit like that, and I'm like tell them fifteen hundred it's okay. I like, damn, I'm making money and a lot of

cops was coming to work out with me. You know what I'm saying. So I was like, what the fuck? You know, But the cops military, that was like a huge part of my like my base, Like I just loved that kind of like discipline and that hard work and shit like that. So and it just guys too, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, I developed, I built. I rebuilt my life right from nothing, the right way, all legal, all ethical, everything across my t's dot my eyes,

doing the most right. And then they came and got me and I ain't gonna lie care. I was like, I was a little bit relieved, you know, because I had to lie to everybody all the time. Nobody knew shit, nobody knew nothing right. And I wasn't directly telling people or I did I'm from here, or I did this, but I will walk people down a neighborhood of you know what I want them to believe from my past, you know what I'm saying. So I didn't want to do that shit. So I was like, fuck, I got

a lot of more. And the marshal that got me, he was like, yeah, man, we've been trying to get you for a minute, but you always you travel aize. So it was always a couple of days behind you, and I'm like, fuck, that's crazy. But he was like, Yo, you're a good dude and you do a lot of good for a lot of people. To just get this behind you and move on with your life. And I was like, thank you. But in my head, I'm like, my life about to be with y'all. You know what

I'm saying. But make a long story short. You know, they moved me around all over Cali. Everywhere I'm at, cops is pulling me out like what are you doing here? You know what I'm saying, Like guards and shit because they're always into working out and shit. And I was like, ask some old shit whatever. So they kept me here as long as they could because I couldn't bond out here because Arizona. Finally they extradite me and bond was

a half million dollars. I was like, gosh, yeah, so but I did make bond and then I got a bomb ass attorney fire. He just beat the fuck out of the case. Bro wow, eat it. So he was whooping them like he was so aggressive. You know what I'm saying. I'm telling him like you'd probably chill, like you're gonna pissed them off. He's like, fuck them, I'm gonna make them work. And he did. He tried to.

He made them work, and he was so confident. He just made me Listen, if I would have went to prison at the end of it, right, you would have been like, at least we tried. I would have been the route to it. I wouldn't have been stressed out because he was so competent and confident, you know what I'm saying. You didn't like it. Probably the worst thing that could ever happen is you hire a lawyer with your freedom in the in the in the limb, and it's a shitty lawyer. Oh yeah. And the first one

I hired was he was scared of everything. He was a bitch, Like for real, he was such a coward, you know what I'm saying. Because initially he was like, we're going to ask for a bond reduction because that's not constitutional, YadA, YadA YadA. So when they finally got to where they had signed a prosecutor, they still didn't sign a prosecutor, but they somebody had to show up the court, and you know, he didn't want to do the bond reduction, and they coming to me panicking. They

scaring me. Because they scared, I'm like, what what happened? Like this happen I don't know about So when I just ran the model through my head, I'm like, these fucking guys are scared. There's not I don't even have a prosecutor yet. They don't give you a prosecutor that fast, especially for a big case. I'm buying out of his bitch. Because he was like, save your money. I was like, I sat in there an extra month trying to save money. The fuck that I got out. So yeah, he worked

for about a month. Then I seen how uncompetent he was. I got rid of him and got a shout to Brian Russo's my guy, Brian Russo. Russo, He's a g he's he's he's one of my best friends. Like that. I love that man for life. Yeah shit, he beat the case. Man beat it. So you only had to sit down for about a month, a couple of months. Yeah,

but that's I mean, you know, that's manageable. And listen, when people anybody's been locked up, it's like the worst day is the first day you're in there, especially in Arizona. That horseshoe you got, you're sitting in there with the worst the worst. They changed it, by the way, Arizona don't even want to know. I may or may not have been there recently. It's a lot better. Maricopa County, La County, and Dade County are the three worst jails

in the country. You know what I'm saying. And you've lived in all three places, will I've been in two of them? Yeah, yeah, so not humane conditions. Well they changed it, uh with the new sheriff, But then COVID happened, And now when you go to when you go to jail for like you know, usually they'd send you to like Madison, and you're sitting in a room with they send you to like a weight you take a number, and you're in a waiting room. You're not even in cuffs.

It's kind of crazy. It's weird, it's funny. It seemed like that would be cool, but you want to be around people. Being isolated is not the vibe. Not that first like when you're like super like if you get arrested for some dumb shit, that first like night or day, when you're like you didn't expect it happening. You don't want to bro I've been in jail. Motherfuckers recognize me and they asked, like, what are you doing here? I mean I was only in for like a day or two,

but like it's like fuck man, Like, yeah sucks. Bro. The first day is the worst, you know what I'm saying. But then once, just once, you get a bed, I'm sure, yeah, that's the best. Like just just give me so bad. They make it so bad that you get something like a bed. You're like, I'm good, and it's a shitty bed. Oh yeah, you don't have to use that roll a toilet paper, is a pillow anything. But but they but out here. They had me at the old County Jail. I heard La County Jail is a wild place. It is,

but we was in the max security. So it's single man sales and it's bars, like you don't see bars. That's like on TV, like they roll this wheel or the bars. You know what I'm saying. And bro, you ever read the Book of Revelations or the Rapture, I'm familiar with it. I'm not a religious man, so now that am I. But I'm fascinated by literature and that's

a fascinating piece of literature. Revelations that give the description of hell right, I'm telling you La County Jail, the Max security side was literally identical because they said Gabriel throws you into like the pit of hell, right, like violently throws you. And then in the walls, it's down the tunnel was like soul stuck right, screaming and reaching for you, and you never hear silence, you know what I'm saying. And in there is like you're going down

down these halls. Motherfucker's you know, hanging out, bro nobody. They never stopped talking all night. And I'm talking about the most ignorant shit you'll ever hear, you know what I'm saying. Motherfucker's on the top tier talking to the bottom tier. They never even met each other, you know what I'm saying. Just talking about their baby mama is like the dumbest shit. So it's like for a person who I mean, I'll never say that I don't deserve to be there, you know what I mean, because everything

happens for a reason. But that wasn't my life anymore. It's that part alone was torture, just listening to everybody just because you're like, I don't belong here, brost I listened to audio books and you know what I'm saying, I make some class music and with my hip hop, and I like hearing I'm a fan of like different intellectuals in the academia space, and I got to hear this. You're like, why am I like? This is this is this? This can't be not life. But I took it to try,

like it's my punishment. I was just fucking deal with it, you know what I'm saying, Because I did do I did do. I did things that wasn't cool, and it was people that looked up to me and that that followed me down dark paths, you know what I'm saying,

And that shit is never cool, you know. Yeah, I mean back then, like what that oh five oh six era of pushing packs was, it was also a very a lot more money was the margins were greater, oh man, because the margins nowadays, like I don't even know, there's just not I mean, obviously with the availability of weed right the secrets out you can come to la there's Instagram pages with distro like it's kind of wild, Like, I don't know what those guys are doing now. I

know they're sick to their stomach. So take me back to like oh five oh six, what would be like average that you would pay for a pack and what did you get it off? For the West coast, the average is five hundred dollars four pound, and saying or that Reggie, that that era, that ari they call it the Arizona. They got the purple hairs, popcorn, the good texture. But it's just regular weed out door shit outdoor. But on the East coast that's like some fire ship. So

the smaller the town, the more you get. There was someplace in Georgia was getting shied off like twelve thirteen hundred dollars a pound, but like Atlanta, you getting like to nine eight hundred dollars New York seven. But I had a I had a fucking hell of a plug though. So my connect in a Z was a Pisa, right always is so no, no, it's usually a Chicano, right, Well, yeah, for people who don't know what piece is, the pieces like straight from Mexico. Chicano's a person who's born here

in America, right, an American with Mexican descent. A pisa is a Mexican from Mexico. You bring the work cheap to the to the chicano. The Chicanos usually to connect right, but my connect was a Pisa that just is kind of like a Chicano because he grew up in America, but he's from Mexico. So he was still giving me average prices, maybe like fifty dollars less or whatever. And he was my homie. So one night we went out.

I never hung out with him, but he had the typical stereotypical Mexican tolerance for alcohol, and he got fucked up right and fucking with people, and then we turned around, he getting jumped. So I went and saved the day, you know what I'm saying. And after that he was like, Bro, you saved my life, YadA, YadA, YadA. I'm just sorry to hook you up. So he started giving me the work at his cost. His cost was, bro, what one hundred and fifty dollars? You were just printing money, bro.

So I was just like, at that point, I'm sending sh it off and I'm telling the biggest thing was like getting your money back in a timely fashion. And then over time it's getting more competitive. More people was getting work, right, so it's taken longer for my guys to break down the packs and give me my bread. So I was able to, like, yo, send me six hundred six fifty. That way, they had cheaper. They send my shirt right away, yeah, or just buy it. And I was able to just middle like come get it

for four hundred. If you come to Arizona, you handle getting them to where you need to get it. You get it yourself. Yeah, yeah, because then that's the worst thing is like when people like want you to put put the like the works just in the air, ye, and your money's not there yet. The biggest like stress was like when a pack go out, I'm waiting to hear that touchdown, you know what I'm saying. So, and I always well, man, I did it so long, a bo with clean streaks, never a box missing I had.

We had a driver, It's amazing. He would give us an address, take it off his route. Boom, it was smooth. You know what I'm saying. Yo. You were mentioning that you did some research earlier on how to stay out of the way if you're on the run. Well, by the way, what country did you end up in? I don't really okay tell those things, but what were some of the things, like if somebody was watching this and they're like, what are the things that you learned that

they look out for that. I don't know what it is right now, but back then, back then, I would This is something that I was afraid of that I think they do now. Like I went, you know, when you get out of jail, they scan your eyes to make sure the wrong person that get released. That technology was brand new back then, and I remember getting to one country and they were doing a retina scan and I was stressed, but nothing happened because nothing was connected. Yeah,

the databases is the thing. These countries are not connected. Matter of fact, the states are not connected. Each state has like two or three states that they're connected to. They do they whichever they feel would be the most likely that people will go to. So New York, I mean California, Georgia is not connected. You know. I've had like a outstanding, Like I think I had a warrant in Arizona once, but I was living in Idaho at the time, and I was some traffic shitting un serious.

But I was like super freak doubt. They pulled me over and they're like you're good to go. Certain. I was like, you sure about that you run out against it. But yeah, so I mean, if you if you've been in jail, now, these countries aren't connected unless it's some high profile case or if it's a murder, if it's some kind of rape, sexual assault, or anything to do with children, you're in the highest search shit. And that's

in CIC or something like that. I might be saying it wrong, but they're tracking passports, ID all of that shit all over the place unless you got somebody else's shit, you know what I'm saying. So that's one thing. A lot of crimes go under the radar. They got to know you there, and then you could do your research. It's a Google search to see which countries have extradition treaty with the United States, because not all of them,

do you know what I'm saying. So you could be somewhere like y'all, I'm here, motherfucker, and if there's no treaty in place, want fine, You're good. You may And I was gonna say you may have a hard time with visas, but you don't because Americans pretty much every country we go to except for Australia and Canada, we have an automatic visa. Now it'll run out and all you do is go to the next country to renew your visa. Get it, you just do, get stamped. Boom,

come right back thirty bucks. You know what I'm saying. Crazy, I had to do that shit a lot. Well, we always like seeing the movies nowadays probably like like would you swap out sim cards and ship or like have your Oh then yeah, just whatever. Wherever I was at, I got a phone for there's little trap phone. Yeah. It's it's crazy, man. You you realize, like being in other countries, I realized how fortunate we are here. I'm

talking about other like first world countries. It's like just having an abundance of legit cell phone companies, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, these people only have like one or two. Yeah. Yeah, it's and it's shitty. It's kind of like prepaid vibes, you know what I'm saying. But nah, so that that's easy. You. I feel like, well, here's the thing. Typically when people are on the run, they're doing illegal things to keep themselves afloat, and that's how

they get caught. You know what I mean. I didn't, so I had a little bit of bread saved right that I was living off of while I was moving around, and I had one of my partners who he caught a case you know, behind me. I bonded him out, did everything, lawyered them up. Then they dropped the case on them. So I got that money back from the lawyer, you know what I'm saying. So I had a little bit to keep me afloat for a little bit, you

know what I'm saying. But by the time I came back to the States, I was running running low, you know what I mean. I had a job, like a nine to five. What was your what was your first job coming back? I was just a personal trainer at the gym, and that obviously proved to be Uh, Lokia did pretty pretty well, pretty well. Yeah, where are you originally from? Like from Brooklyn, New York. So you're originally

from Brooklyn? What like the boxing thing? Because you know what your YouTube channel I've been describing for a while, but I was just like, yeah, I'm just curious, what's the most popular shit, the most popular videos You've given boxing lessons? Yeah? So how like walk me through kind of growing up in Brooklyn and what resulted in you getting into fighting and all that. Yeah, Brooklyn is super competitive. It is like an overpopulated place, so you always competing,

playing sports, fighting everything. So I just kind of grew up with that aggressive competitive nature. And then my grandfather, my pops, introduced me to boxing at the early age. I just thought it was the best sport. It was beautiful because I grew up when Mike Tyson was raning, you know what I'm saying. So I'm watching Mike Tyson and his shit is poetic, you know what I'm saying. It wasn't like a boring era, you know what I mean.

It's probably the best heavyweight era ever. Yeah, he's just ermaller than everybody and crushing giants, you know what I'm saying. So I just I loved it. So my father sent me a pair of boxing gloves and I just take him outside and just scrap with everybody. And then when I got about twelve, I got into it, you know as a sport, like as amateur boxing. So when I had my first fight and I just bro I fell in love with it. It was over from there, over from me. I still I love it like a motherfucker now.

Like it was a period when I had quit and I couldn't watch boxing because it was guys that I knew, guys that like you you knew it wasn't but they stuck to the script and they're making millions of dollars. So it just pained me, you know what I'm saying. But that's my own fault, you know what I mean. So you think if you were to stuck with boxing, be one of those guys for sure? What everybody was like, Yeah, he's that guy. Because here's the thing. I didn't have

any support though, you know what I'm saying. It was just me in New York anywhere, I just mean, traveled all over. I have any support with boxing. Nobody my father was with it. But it's an expensive You got to have a trainer, right, You got to go to a gym free though, I mean in a poor they do that ship for free. So you pay for your book, your medicals, your parents pay for that ship. It's not it's not expensive like that. And then the gyms that I grew up in, there's there's a bunch of we

shared the gloves, you know what I'm saying. So, and and that's really the best case scenario. Like when you give people these kids, like all of this nice shit they soft, you know what I'm saying. So my gym, we just picked gloves. They stunk, They smell like blood and sweat. Just everybody. Yeah, everybody's knuckles unscraped off in the gloves, like you know what I'm saying. But we didn't see nothing wrong with it. Our our are the tarp in, our rain was just full of blood drops,

just brown stains everywhere. But that was normal to us. I go back, I go to some gyms now with kids training, I'm like this, how can you be motivated in here with air conditioning? You know what I'm saying? For real, boat, you don't you sweat? You can't sweat in them spots, so it's too plush, you know what

I'm saying. Like my son knows how to bout. He got hands, but I would never let him compete because it's a certain thing that you you don't get having a privileged life, you know what I'm saying, And you don't need to Like his best asset is his brain, his mind, So I don't want him damaging that. And you will damage your brain, you will damage it. What was it? Was it the rap ship that got you out of boxing? Like for you to start pursuing your rap,

because it was that was part of it. But it was like hustling, like making money, because look boxing, you boxing to make money, it takes a while before you start making It takes a while. And I was in Mike Tyson's camp, you know what I'm saying. It was like something light at the tunnel and then the tunnel, but the ship was hard, bro, you know what I'm saying, because it's a very disciplined lifestyle. You don't do all

this shit your friends do. I'm so glad that I had it though, because even though I went off course and was in the streets for a while, I never went but so far, and I had discipline, you know what I'm saying, Because it's people like you know, some names ain't gonna say on here. I'm sure you know of people out there who did the most and it's a rap now, you know what I'm saying. So I never like at the centising for my ship, the judge said, we see that you're not a criminal. Get out of

my court room, you know what I'm saying. So it's like the core of me is not a street criminal whatever. You know what I'm saying. I think you're an entrepreneur. I'm an entrepreneur and at the time, I mean that was a look. At the end of the day, man, hustlers are hustlers. Bro Sometimes an opportunity presents itself for you to be a hustler in a legal way, right and in the illegal way. It's interesting, man, I had a conversation with this dude, and in the fitness industry,

it's a lot of suckers, man like virtual signaling and shit. Listen, but I swear it is rough. Some of these guys on YouTube or just Instagram like their cornballs for sure. And we were talking about some shit. Was a big discussion, and the guy was trying to, like without saying me, like shit on me by saying like, well, you know, I've never never been arrested, never did a crime, never been in a fight for all that matter. And I was like, that's because you're a pussy. You know what

I'm saying. You never did a crime because you're afraid that you'll get caught and you're afraid of the consequences. You know what I'm saying, Because I think listen, I'm not saying committing a crime is ethical. It's not right, breaking the law is not okay, right, but some laws, what if you have your own consciousness, like why is this illegal? You know what I'm saying, And then I'm going to take a risk, right, I'll weigh out the risk versus the reward and if i'm I'm good with both,

I'm gonna go right. That shit plays well into my life now, you know what I'm saying. I take all the risks because it ain't nothing bad gonna happen. But I lose some money, you know what I'm saying. Before it was like lose money, go to jail, somebody fuck your girl, niggas take your cards, like you know what I'm saying. So that's not even a possibility anymore. So I'm the ultimate risk taker, you know what I'm saying, and I'm not a And it just diminished my fear

of a lot of things. You know, fear. Let me say this, fear is a sign of intelligence, Let's not get it twisted. But you know, fear will also keep you from living, you know what I'm saying, and experience of life at its highest. So it's just it's to this day, it's a it's a risk that I still

take you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I think like when you're conditioned in society to live life a certain way, and that way usually is getting a good job, getting your benefits, just making sure your bare necessities are covered, go on vacation once a year if you can afford it, get a nice like decent nice, get your charger with

your payment whatever. It is like the thought of like if you are making forty five thousand dollars a year, sixty thousand dollars a year, but maybe you have some sort of passion or some sort of I don't know, want for more, but you're scared that like you're gonna walk away from the sure thing. And that short thing is shit, bro, I'm telling you because nothing You're right, bro, Like the short thing is what got a lot of people fucked up. Bro. I look at life like this, man. Like,

for me, the most valuable currency is this. It's human. It is deep, meaningful connections with people that I think are dope. Right. I live my life predicated on the fact that I'm going to die. Let's not get a twisted I'm going to die. We're all going to die one day, right, So for me, bro, it's like I want people to have a dope last memory of me. You know what I'm saying, Like, Yo, he was a nice guy, or that motherfucker was dope, whatever, whatever it is.

I want people to have a pleasant memory of me, because look, that's all we have, really is. You know, they're gonna miss you. They have some memories and that shit start fading, then it's just nothing, you know what I'm saying. So I leave a couple of things. I want to leave as many positive memories as possible. But then for my children, I leave like my mind in them. You know what I'm saying. I instill the tenets and principles that I live by. And then but I do

it better than what I did. You know what I'm saying. I give them a better a map for navigating life so that they can do the same. And that's how we keep the bloodline going. It's not even real blood. It's like just a mentality of consciousness that's passed down through the generations. And you know, I've done my genealogy, and you know I got you know, they track people's genomes by documents, right, that's all we have to go off of. So I've been back far but that's it.

So I don't know nothing about their personalities, what they was into, what people thought. Now we got this, we're mortal, you know what I'm saying. What I was gonna say with like you anyone who's like seriously into the content game, like you could pass away, but your content is going to live on forever, forever. That's a beautiful thing. It's digital. So I'm very cognizant of that. So that's what I

love doing content. Listen, a lot of my content, the shit that I love doing the most, don't get the biggest push, right, But that's okay because it's like a series called mental and it'd be like just me giving certain perspectives on life, on whatever advice, and it'd be people that hit me up there, like damn, bro, I used to always skip these videos, but I was going through some shit and this one came on today and that should just hit me a certain way. I just

want to say thank you. I do it for that shit, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, like at the end of the day, like it's those small like we know, it gets views and sometimes you'll do something that you didn't expect to go viral. But for the most part, like you kind of can do something and know, Okay, this is gonna do what it's gonna do. But it's like the shit that like isn't the sexiest that really penetrates people the most. Pause, And that's like stuff people

can live with that. It's not going to be the big headline. It's not going to be the you know, the positive Like I think, like even in the interview game, like I'll do interviews that have like five thousand views, but like I'll get the most feedback. Yeah, it's see is depth versus the width? Right, So, and even how YouTube work. I've been doing YouTube since twenty twelve, right, and I've had my reps and I picked their brain.

I'm trying to figure out how to shit work, how we get paid for real and from what they don't have. They don't ever say exactly how because they want to prevent fraud, of course. So but I got an idea. And it's not the amount of views, it's a length of time people are watching your shit. I'll drop a two hour interview and I'll clip, I'll drop it. I'll drop that interview and then I drop clips. Right, But the big interview is where people will sit for thirty minutes.

You make the most off of that, right, Bro? So think about think about that. Bro, you have a thirty minute, two hour TV show, but people watching like thirty minutes of that shit. It's a lot of time. It's not scripted, it's real, it's raw. That's value, you know what I mean. So and then even like if I market a product or something and I have this beautifully edited video, people won't give a shit. But if I'm just saying some shit on my cameras organic, that's what they care about.

Always say that when people do ads or they do anything like influencer related, I'm like, yo, don't overproduce it, man, just fucking it's got to feel organic or people are gonna be like, fuck this, it's got to be holistic. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And what I mean by that is like for me, everything is like I try to like come from a spiritual place. So like a lot of guys come to me for advice with business and this and a third and I'm like, what are

you trying to do? And they're always concerned about the outcome, and that's money, how much they can make how much you make from this. I'm like, bro, I gotta be honest with you. I've never went into any of these businesses with the idea of how much money I'm gonna make. I went into it with the idea of, like, yo, I'm going to make the best X y Z and people are going to be happy, you know what I'm saying. And I'm gonna be able to price it affordable or whatever,

or my service. I'm gonna be the best at whatever I'm trying to do for people, and let the rest figure itself out. Everything works out. You're controlling what you can control, right, and that's all you should worry about. And as a result of that, the bag comes always. I don't worry about shit, it always comes, you know what I'm saying. That's some real shit, I think. Like that's one thing people get caught up in. And also

intent of what you're doing. Like if you're doing something to get money quick and you're trying to like have longevity, usually that's not really how it works. You got to have some sort of passion or some sort of like care for what the passion like you're into, you're into fitness, this is what you do this is not like you're not like some some like rich dude who decided, oh

there's good money and supplements. Let me start my own supplement line right right, I'm an influencer, Let me start my own protein power just because how I started lying, I'm like, whyuck? Like what if you got to ask me that shit? You ain't cut out for this shit. Like there's people, there's producers, and there's consumers in this world. You know what I'm saying. Producers figure out like you

want something Like when I started the supplement game. I never took supplements on my life until I started getting like worn down and training so many people. I ain't got no energy, try like a fat burner pre work out.

Whatever that she gave me energy, but it gave me like weird side effects, bro, all that shit biit alany, So I go and I started taking pictures of every something label after work long as days, I'm falling asleep every night with my computer on my laptop on my chest, researching, looking at these ingredients, trying to identify what is it that gives me the energy? What is it that gives me these side effects? I didn't like, can this work without that? You know what I'm saying. Then I start

ordering shit from China, cheap shit, testing on myself. That's how I started the ship, right, so you would make your own stuff. I'm a producer, right like you're a producer, you know what I'm saying. So, but most of the world are consumers. It's a small amount of people providing goods and services, and most people need they need somebody to provide it so they can buy it. And that's fine.

That's how the world is. I was just planning that to my son because he was like, he was telling about like kids at school, like they're kind of simple. I'm like, look, son, don't look at it like that. This is the normal order of things, the natural order of things. Most people are that are that, and that's fine. It's no knock to them. That's just how it is. It's very people gotta understand this. The essence of life, of all biological life on this planet is to be lazy,

is efficiency to not do much. You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna sit still till I'm hungry. I'm hungry and I'm gonna get some food. You know what I'm saying. A lion, we look at them as so bad ass, right, the motherfuckers just chill, let their women go hunt. You got it all right, move, get out the fucking way. I'm gonna eating first, you know what I'm saying. That's the nature that the natural order of things. People are not designed to be hustling. People design to chill, to relax,

to rest, you know what i mean. So there's a few weirdos that like to do a lot of shit, you know what I'm saying. And we as we're in the animal kingdom, but we're a little bit different because we got these fucking robust cerebral cortex which the other animals don't, so we have imagination, empathy, we can remember things.

We got the language, so we got all these different ways of like recording information and passing it down, and we learn more, pass it down, learn more, so we know that we can and we know we could do certain things that are that may seem difficult to do, but it gives us pleasure. You know what I'm saying. You're a climb like squad Peak or came back back in the day. Yeah, yeah, that shit hard, but when you get to the top, you feel good. It's especially

in Arizona, depending on how hot it is. Yeah, it's a certain sense of accomplishment. Most people will never even try that ship. I had a terrible idea. Me and my boy Ramses Me Ramses is the theo Geo and DeAngelo were supposed to do a photo shoot for this is in the newspaper in Arizona called the write up

back in the day. I remember that, and you know matt Locks, of course, so Matt Locks, I don't know if it was his idea, Rams is this idea to climb the top of came back and take pictures on top of the mountain in our fucking outfits for a fucking photo shoot. It was one of the worst days of my life, but it's probably some epic pictures though, cool pictures. We got them forever for sure. No, you're right, though,

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necessarily aren't educated as to what that is. Man, Yeah, so alpha beta, these are Greek letters ab and in our society or in our culture, the alpha like alpha and the animal kingdom or in humans. It's just a more dominant male, a more a leader, you know what I'm saying. That's all it is. And the betas are more of the followers, you know. And I don't want to get anything confused with anybody out there as saying alpha is better than a beta, because I'm not I

don't think that. You know. Actually, I've been talking about this a lot lately, that like alpha males are becoming less and less useful in society. You know what I mean. Alpha male is useful for himself and maybe the people closest to him. But what's better for society is beta males. And if you look at society, our society is ran

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get shit done because it don't matter. You don't you don't run shit. The presidents don't run shit. Well, yeah, it's how it's set up. Is like the checks and balance is kind of at times. You know, it's crazy because I never thought about this, but like I was just talking to somebody about this last week, about like every four years or eight years, and shit will start to get done, and then whoever gets whoever gets elected, will try to undo whatever the last guy did, which

is actually a good thing. It's just well, I guess it depends, right, because let's say you're on the cusp of getting something historically dope done. I don't know what it might be, whatever it's whatever, right, something that's gonna help a lot of people, free health care, whatever it is. Then another guy gets elected and then they undo all. It just feels like a cycle of like because it is very cyclical as to which party is in, right, It's like it'll be eight years of a Democrat, and

then it'll be eight years of George W. Bush. Then it's eight years of Obama, then Trump, you know what I mean. So it just feels like a bureaucracy cycle of like it is, and as much as as ugly as it is, and as much as people are so hot and vitual about who's in and who's not, this is the best case scenario for everybody, for society in the world for civilization. Yeah, because we don't. They talk about corruption, voter fraud. Yes, every election is fraud, but

that's to be expected. If I was trying to run for president, I'm gonna be trying to cheat to like I want. Yeah, well I think all that. Like, like you said, every election there's voter fraud, but every election ever is not. It's not total corruption. Total corruption is Venezuela is when a motherfucker went by ninety percent. You know what I'm saying. You will never find even fifty five forty five in America. It's always a percentile or

two off. That's perfect. People should be appreciative of that, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, everybody hates for half the country to hate the president and love the president each time, whichever way is the best case scenario. That's fair, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I think we think of a country that's like a first world country, Russia. Russia is like a big country that's not like some fucking third world place. It's very They have McDonald's, they

have Starbuckle, not anymore. Apparently they're gutting all the McDonald's out there. But if you think about a place like Russia. Russia is a first world country, but yeah, it's a very Joe Biden's not fucking getting people killed or running against them, and Jnald Trump was people killed or running against him. Nobody's afraid of Joe Biden. You know what I'm saying. I mean, that's fair, nobody. Nobody's afraid of

Joe Biden. Sleepy Joe. You know what I'm saying. I just mean in terms of like opponents aren't getting each other. Mrked Right, you know what I'm saying exactly. It's so we such fucking babies here. We complain about so much. We don't know how good we have. We don't know how good we have it. And people won't know because I didn't know, bro, until I started traveling the world. And I'll be in dope ass places, but I'm like,

fuck that shit. I won't go back home. I went to so many and then the closest place I almost got a crib in Sydney, Australia at one point, right, because it's so I bet you were slaying out there. It was nice out there, Bro, The weather was dope. A bunch of iggy azelias running around yeah, all of that Australian Yeah, okay, but the people are so fucking nice and when you're traveling different countries, when you go to English speaking countries, it's just a better vibe, you

know what I'm saying. Right, So it's all like this is kind of dope. But then like when COVID happens, see character comes out in hard times, right, so COVID came out right looking at Europe, looking at Australia, these motherfuckers are martial law, especially in Australia. Australia was really bad, all bad. It's all like, fuck that were free here. I don't care about people complaining, neighbor snitching on themselves out there was crazy. Yeah, bro, we and they don't

got guns. Like look, I just I just realized this during the past two years. We're the only country who have a constitutional right for our citizens to carry weapons. Yeah, that widespread. Everybody got them. People don't realize that. They don't know that ship they're taking that away from the Canadians right now. I didn't even know they had guns they were. Trudeau just banned handguns or is proposing it.

And I think that setting up some sort of like turning date where you have to turn in your handguns or something. I don't know if it passed. I'm not like super I just I just know that like it was, it's being proposed. Get it for me. Yeah, And that's the thing with like the gun violence thing is like I think I do think that an eighteen year old shouldn't be able to go to the store and by two ars without fucking any sort of conversation or hey, what are you what's going on? Why do you need

these guns? Like there should be some sort of background check for certain things. But I also think we have to understand that we're in America. This is the only place in the world like this place, and unfortunately for the good for the bad, this is our culture, and our culture is we have guns. I and there's more guns here than people by a whole lot. So the realistic expectation to ban and I do think, like again, I think there should be like comprehensive background checks for

certain weapons. Like what like I think if if if like that kid in you've all dated, like he turned eighteen and he went to the store and bought two ar fifteens, no checks, just guns. Yeah, I mean I don't know if I like that that extensive background check shit, because it's like when does it stop or even or even how about a course? How about saying like a drug, like you need a license to have an AR fifteen. If you want an assault weapon, you got to have

a license. You gotta go through schooling like if I'm if I'm a sixteen year old. But that's not the that that won't be the root to the problem because it's not about how accurate you can shoot. It's about your temperament, your personality, you know what I'm saying, or if you have any mental illness and shit like that, because then the motherfucker that be going out doing dumb shit is not how proficient. Yeah, and maybe those dumb fucks we'll see damn getting that gun is I'm lazy.

I like to fucking play call of Duty all day and jerk off of my parents a bedroom. I am not trying to go down to the fucking gun department and go through six hours of machine gun class. Yeah. I wouldn't either, but I think this bro like, but I would do it, like I would go through that for a gun like if responsible gun owner like me too. But I don't want to have to. I don't want the government telling me I have to do shit. I

think it's just certain guns though. Like I think if you get a handgun, that's that's something that I think you should be able to get a handgun and that should kill a lot of people too. I feel you you get a clip with a drum, it's got as much rounds as any other rightfle you know what I'm saying, here's the thing bot when when would it stop it? We allow that it's a slippery store opens up the door for tyranny. I mean, listen, I don't disagree with that,

but I just think that there has to be a course. Man. I'm not mad at a course. Especially. How about this, if you're like under the age of thirty or twenty five. Let's say you're like a twenty one year old kid, like you should we should know you know how to operate this thing before you get it, you know what I mean. If that's the case, they should do the same with law enforcement. I agree, shouldn't be it shouldn't

be a twenty one year old cop. No. I think I think you know, the defund the police conversation is one that is badly branded. I suppose to brand. So I have a friend that works in government and she she's a liaison between these these groups and the government, right, And I said, why is that and she said, no, this is not is not what you think. She said. They got to aim high with these over the top requests to find some middle ground to get something done.

There's not really defense. They're not defunding the police, the reallocating resources resources, which which has to happen. But but that's doesn't have a ring to it. Yeah, not for sure, but it's listen, the conversation of what we're talking about is for the micro, not the macro. You know what I'm saying. So the people they want to hear over the top like and you need the public rally behind you all of that ship. Well, people's political stances or

just opinions on most things are just headline based. There's absolutely no depth to their opinions. And this is the thing. They just yell whatever tribe that they're part of, ye that talking point at you, and there's no depth to how they feel. It's just this is how I'm what's the feel. I don't get involved. I say fuck red and blue. Fuck both sides. None of them give a fuck about us. And here's the thing, I'm of the opinion of, like groups of people not voting. Let him

feel your let them feel your absence. You know what I'm saying. If Black people didn't vote in this election, Biden, if Black people didn't vote in this election, Joe Biden would not have even been to the nominee. That part. The only reason that he became the nominee was because of the South Carolina primary. Listen, they were counting him out. It was Bernie's nomination, and then he fucking ran it

up in the South with the older black voters. Black people need to divorce themselves from the Democratic Party, really like people. It's so emotionally attached to this ship. It's crazy. I'm not even I'm not even saying, go be Republican, not just, but just like just stop being so blindly

loyal to these motherfuckers. And they do they do the worst for Black people, horrible things throughout histories all that, oh yeah, especially like I mean the Clinton I mean even back before that, Like, these people are so bad for black people and they just what did Clinton do? I'm gonna go on Arsenio Hall Show. I'm a panda, you know what I'm saying, Just like Trump pander to the fucking white supremacists. He no white supremacist. He just he knows his base. The problem is is the base

of every political party is the problem. So if the base of the and this is where I'm at. So like I voted for Joe Biden. I'm an independent, but I just voted for him just because I was like, the ship that's being normalized by Trump to me was scary.

You know what I'm saying, Just to me, like his like absolute First of all, he has zero humility, but I just feel like some of the racial overtones and undertones he was he was kind of injecting into society were just very like I'm like, this is And I know some people will say, well, at least he was blatantly like telling you how he felt as opposed to I mean, I think with some of the things he was doing, for sure, but what about See here's the thing people will take And I'm not by a Trump fan,

so I'm not a fan of nobody. But here's the thing. I'm an objective observer, right, And I remember at one point I was like, fuck Trump. Why am I saying that because everybody's saying that. Why they saying that because he racist? Will make some racist? Oh the you remember sit in Virginia, all these good pty. So let me let me find the video. Let me watch it, David. I watched the ship right. That speech was taking that clip was taking out of context. First of all, the

whole speech probably had thirty thousand views, not many views. Right, it's interesting, But I watched the ship, bro, and it is not how he said that. Shit, you know what I'm saying. This is what he said. I'm paraphrasing, but he said, Look, there are good people protesting keeping that part of their history up, and they have the right to. There's good people who feel a certain way about that ship. It reminds him of the past, and this is that third peacefully pot to take it down. They have every

right to. He was talking about them when he said, and he's right, like I might want to lead this part of history of I'm a protest. I want to take it down. I'm a protest. They both have the right. He was talking about that in particularly, he said nothing about like praising these people. Now here's the thing, and I always bring this to people that say, oh, he's a racist, I said, is he? Because heme on there's legislation he was on a method Man album to cal

two thousands. There's legislation that nobody talks about this. H's the who's the like in the the optics of the United States, who are the most feared terrorist group or terrorist organization since the inception of our country. Well, the perception would be that it's people from the Middle East, But I think no, no no, no, I'm talking about like from American born white people. This is Kulos playing yea k Nobody has touched them. They've never been designated as

a terrorist stranization. Trump designated them as a hate group and a terror organization. Nobody talks about that. That got no press, you know what I'm saying, And that that that had never been done before. Right, nobody touched it, you know what I'm saying. And you know Obama Biden. They backed Biden's mentors. He was in the clan. He got out later in his life. I forget name. That was wrong, Yeah, because you dying, your motherfucker. But you

know what I'm saying. So it's like people gotta even like the George Floyd thing man like, like taking lives is fucked up, right, But why was that given to us when it was given to us? It wasn't given to us when it happened, you know what I'm saying. The public outcr this this ship was months after that shit happened, you know what I'm saying. So it's like they're tugging at y'all. Our emotions are our hearts, you

know what I'm saying. With fear, with terror, with anger, you know what I'm saying, and people are just listen and marketing like, I'm a marketer in in essence, and we're able to predict people's behavior, human behavior. That's how we're able to fucking order inventory, do this, do that, right. Politics is no different than marketing, you know what I'm saying. And human behavior is very predictable, especially when it comes

to emotional things. You know, they're able to guide people where they want to go by making the map or press the mad button. Yeah, I mean in the media has so much to do with that too, right. It's like, yo, Like, if you're think about how much COVID was just being fucking stuff down our throats and how much it was like, this is, this is there's only one way to feel about this, or you're a piece of shit murderer. Now

is nothing en? Well, how about this? During that period of time you're talking about, after George Floyd was murdered and obviously everyone was rightfully outraged, the COVID chit went away. Nobody was talking about COVID anymore. It was like, no, this is, this is, this is where the eyes are right now, We're gonna with these, We're gonna pull the shit on TV because you know, this is where it's at.

Here's a thing. Bro. COVID went away too. By the way, when Ukraine, yeah we got into you know, the war's still going on final even fuck with what they say about that shit like oh the Ukraine smashing Russia. Russia is the bad guys. Like all right, in my business, you know what I'm saying. Anyway, Look, life is fair. The universal laws that we all follow without knowing works out,

you know what I'm saying. The only things that I see is unfair, and maybe I just don't understand is like when children are born into shitty situations, are born deformed and shit, like that's the only thing I see is not fair. But other than that, shit is fair, and everything bounces out, you know. All Right, So early mentioned like maybe the government would get people health care. So let's say there's people that like, man, we should have free health care. You could get free health care.

You know what I'm saying. Every socialist thing that people want that we don't they don't think we can have. You could do every capitalist thing. Every government system is here in America in some capacity. You know what I'm saying. Everything however you want to live, you can live. You know what I'm saying. Listen, I personally lived as a ghost most of my life till twenty fourteen, not on the map. I was a special ops from the hood, you know what I'm saying, until I was ready to

present myself, pay taxes and do all the regular shit. Right, So anybody can nustle into any crevice they want to and live a good life. You know what I'm saying. I do think that there are certain people get born

into certain situations that I mean do make shit harder. Man, You know what I mean, Like if you if you're born into a I mean, but bro, you know, like I know, typically people who are born into hard times are fucking stronger, and they most of the time story is way, You're right, the minority of those that we

hear about. But I think the more of the more probably common thing is that those people end up having shitty lives because they had no role models in their house, or maybe their mom was addicted to drugs, or maybe they were born and their mom was using drugs while they were you know, I just think that, like I do. I do think like they're Yes, if you're built like you and me or people that we know, and you have a certain mindset, you're gonna get through whatever. But

there's just not everyone's built that way. That's it can't be. You know what I'm saying. No, No, you're right, it can't be. And and so what I was saying, like when we were talking about you brought up socialist shit. I do think like if you're a single mom and life has presented you with you had three or four kids and you don't have an education, I mean, yeah, those were your decisions. These are your kids. There's your responsibilities.

At the same time, if you don't have a resume or you don't have a lot of qualifications to get you a real solid gig. I mean, some of these jobs, man, are like, the minimum wage in some of these places is crazy. Can you can you imagine the national minimum It sounds crazy to think that the national minimum wage is seven dollars and sixty cents selerities because it's disrespectful. It should be. You would think it'd be at least ten bucks. But we got to look at this too.

Here in California's what a twelve thirteen? Twelve bucks? So more expensive places, it suggested. Listen, I think it's still all fair. I think everything's fair. Look, if you don't want a minimum wage job, qualify yourself for a job that pays more. Is that something? You're right? You're right, So I don't really I don't increase your market your market viability exactly. I feel you one hundred percent. But also have a different perspective on fair right, right, life

ain't fair. I don't expect it to be. You know what I'm saying. I think everything's universally fair, right. I think that we are governed by sharing laws. That just is entropy, is cause and effect, it's a decision, is your destiny, all of that shit, you know what I'm saying. So that makes it fair, Like, yeah, that's what happens. This can be measured. You know what I'm saying. I if I jog a lot, I increase my lung capacity and I can absorb breathe them better, right, last longer

cardio shit. So it's in that sense it's fair. But when we start talking about morals and ethics, is not fair? Yeah, no, for sure. And like there is truth in the term, Like there's no excuses because if you are that mom who has two full time jobs and you're fucking just barely hanging on, Like figure out the sixty minutes of the day where you read a book and pick up a new skill. If you're on the bus or you're driving home, have YouTube plan teaching you a new skill.

But here's the thing, we gotta people gotta recalibrate, Like what is success to them? You know what I'm saying, Because if you're making less money, decrease your your overhead, you know what I'm saying, and then find happiness and other things outside of what everybody else got. Be willing to eat shit for a little bit. I don't even listen. We human beings have such a powerful fucking attribute, a thing that changes. You meet anybody who can shift the

universe with our perspective and our perception of things. Right, So if you're making what most will consider poverty type income, right, you adjust your perspective and find happiness and other things, right, You'll probably be happier than people with a lot of money, right, because look, I have a lot of money, I make a lot of I have a lot of shit going on. But happiness don't come with all of that shit. Sorry the TV right, Sorry, yeah, happiness don't come inherently with

money and success. This is true. I tell people as how I deal with depression like the next person. So when I get recalibrate and find happiness, it's not in a woman, it's not in my homies, not even in my children. It's here and here, you know what I'm saying. It's the things that I got to work on in my own mind, me recalibrating perceptions and shit like that

to readjust and find like beauty and different things. Because look, bro, I used to like have the four cars, two cars in this state, cars in this state, and this that and the third, and then one day I'm looking at this fucking nerd in in my industry. Well, I don't respect who's a goober all these cars and these funny outfits and shit, I'm like, I don't ever want to look like this motherfucker, Like I don't ever want to

be confused with anybody to be somebody like him. And I was like, and I used to have to have X Y Z. I had to have this, I had to have that, right. I got rid of all of that shit, and I'm fine, one card at the time. It's all I can drive anyway, you know what I'm saying. And I'm cool with that shit, bro. So and look, last year, I was like, fuck, I'm just get back my car ship And I'm like, why am I doing this? Not for yourself? It wasn't for me at all, you

know what I'm saying. So I got rid of that ship. So and went back to what made what I'm content with. I have a lot of friends that got a bunch of cars. That's fine. I don't knocket. I think it's dope. I like cars, but I don't want that I want because when you have a lot of things, there's a lot of effort in you keeping them, maintaining them, maintaining them, and keeping people from taking. It takes from your bandwidth, it does the littlest mental space, and it's just a

thing that's going to deteriorate. Bro, Trust me, I am the I am the I dude, you're talking, you're preaching to their choir. I could afford a lot of cars. I don't give a fuck. I have a paid off car. It runs. I got a fucking suv. It's got two hundred thousand miles on it. Until that shit stops working. I've been so tempted to get like a fucking g

wagon or something. The piece you have, not worrying about putting one hundred thousand dollars right, and like also, like I just bought a house, and you know that's something that I'm like, okay, I'll I'll put money up for that because I have two kids, I got my wife, you know what I mean. And I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna get a crib. But like, what is me buying a car? My car is fucking straight, it runs, it's got a c everything's fine. It's a great car fits

my family, and my wife has her car. Everything's paid off. Like, but it's like, what am I If I buy a car? I would rather take that money and like literally put it into a new camera or just something else, something's gonna generate me income as opposed to like some sort of piece of social equity, just that I'm literally buying because I'm personally content with the car I have, but I'm really getting this car. So when I people look

at me differently. People, I'm not a car enthusiast. So if it's not like I'm some fucking you know, meathead who like loves engines and shit, I don't. I don't do it. I could, but I have that shit in control, and check that shit don't control me, right, and listen, I ain't gonna lie roll. So it's times that I am out of control when it comes to like whips and shit. So I'd be sitting there calculating, like damn, okay, I remember I had one car in mine on this budget.

I get there, it's next to the newest version of that car, and I'm like eight hundred thousand dollar prices something crazy, right, And I'm just doing the math in my head. I'm like, how can I make that more? I'm saying, He's like the guys right here, I'm looking at the car set I want this car like a crackhead, like, yeah, let me get this car. I want this car. I'm gonna come back tomorrow with the back you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm like, what what the you know

what snapped me out of that that day? Like later on that day, it was around it was October twenty twenty one, and we went to Horror Nights Alleen, Horror Nights Universal Yet and we took shrooms in MDMA. Oh wow, that sounds like a great fucking night. And it just brought me to my reality, like why would you do that? That's stupid. You don't need that, bro, I was stuck on I'm buying that car to my don't give a fuck. I made more money like when I was hustling. All right,

I can get it back. I mean I think that that is also a natural human like instinct. It's a weakness. It's a I've been there, where I've been, you know, dude. On the smallest level, my wife was buying me a grill for a Father's Day this past weekend. Grill, no grill to cook on cause I got because I got, I got, I got a new crib. Right. So she's like y'all. I want to get you a grill. And then I realized that there's all these types of grills. There's like a woodpellet grill, and then there's a flat

top grill. And I was like, I want both, so you buy me one. And I wasn't even interested in grills before, but I was like, oh shit, I need both. So I just buy one, and then you buy one as my gift. And now I got two grills at my fucking house. I don't know. I was fine without a single grill ship, but now I could cook. I could cook all kinds of ship. I started putting in perspective how much money I spent on ship. You know

what I'm saying, on stuff? I spent more money. Like last year, I spent more money on things than most people would make it a year or two. You know what I'm saying. Just that money's poof gone, you know what I'm saying. So a grill, I'll do that extra girl, I'll do for them business. I ain't buying all these cars and ship. Yeah. And the other thing is is like,

if you're gonna fuck off money, suck it off on memories. Man, go on a trip with the kids, you know, like, go go do some ship that you that's worth it, right, right, But but once again, it's your perspective and what's important to you. And listen, people are fucking stressed. I heard Kevin say Kevin Gates said on Your with You he said that, uh what did he say? That? He was comparing his life to people's highlight reels, And it's like, that's a social media ship people's lives. Your life not

in a bad way. But I don't, Yeah, your life, I'm not you ain't me. I know you don't care about my life, you know, so I really don't care about what y'all do, you know what I mean. I got a good homie of mine who just broke up with this girl and I was like, y'all broke up and he was like, yeah, like it's done. And I was like they've been together for a long time, you know, maybe three or four years, and on social media they

look like the happiest. I was like, bro, what he's like? Bro, the shit you don't see is the shit on social media. We've been miserable for a long time. And I'm like, damn, like you could have fucking fooled me. Man, everybody put the best look for social media. I keep it waning it like, social media is a business. It's a tool. It's a tool for me. It's not my real life.

It isn't one tiny sliver. It's a pie. Is that shit is not like my happiness and my this is none of that ship I'm not Why do I need to report the people about my relationships and none of that ship? Right, someone's business. It is a means for me to make make income, and y'all are consuming it. I'm going to give you all cool shit that y'all like. That's it, you know what I'm saying. But you can guide people whoever you want to, and yeah, people do that.

It's weird to me that people that spend so much time on there just expressing their life, showing their life just to be shown it without without no desired outcome. That is also some Some people's whole business model is that if it's a business model, fine, making money, but it's a lot that ain't. Most aren't, that's true, most aren't. Those people are just volunteering their their misery for us. Well,

they're they're they're giving, it's a it's a cycle. They're offering all of their information, their details, and their their their likes and dislikes for producers to identify who they can market market towards. You like, what pages do you like? What did you like? What were you looking at on the internet, because when you open up the next step

there's going to be an ad for it. So many fucking I was literally looking up grill ads, like grill videos and now, dude, every time open my fucking phone, I'm like, Jesus, so your supplements kind of break down to me because I like shrooms as well, obviously you've talked about. By the way, was that a good experience Halloween horn nights on MDMA and shrooms? Yeah, it was cool.

But like for me, me being on psychedelics, I much rather be chilling, Yeah, because because that's a lot universal studios in l A. Yeah, they're running out, they're running out, and I'm like, that's a brave fuck it, that's a brave choice. But nah, it doesn't that. It just calms me real heavy. It's like, calm down, bro like running out trying to scare people like so it it it kind of inhibits them them to an extent to where you don't really have fear. So like everyone on there

on your level that you went with. Now, I'm always on the highest level because I need a lot, you know what I'm saying. But everybody was on a level, you know. But I find more enjoyment, like in small social settings. On psychedelics, what you're like, go to shroom strain, I don't really have one. I'll do chocolates, the chocolate I got, gum, I got gummies, fair, I got a gummy company. Oh yeah, folks with it. I prefer like

m D m A on some social ship ship. Yeah, you know, I've never done m dm A the best. I hear that it's great, but I'm always like worried about Like you know, I grew up my O. My whole family is a bunch of drug addicts, you know. So anything that's like anything that's I know, and I know there's versions of it that aren't in pill form, but anything that's like a pill, I just freaked out about. All right, So what I do is a hard press pill. But my source, I get a pure MBMA. Do you

test it? Nah? So I bought a whole kit, a spectrometer, all of that shit. But that'sit's complicated. You got to have every drug that you want to test it against to be able to test it. I don't know where to get heroin or meth and none of that shit. So my guy is legit. So I just be worried about fetols. Yeah, No, my guy's legit. So my So there's people who you know, Miley, ecstasy, MDA MDMA is the active ingredient. Maley I think is cut with We all say Maley for MDMA, but is MBMA and heroin

and then ecstasies India may and meth. You know what I'm saying. So Molly and heroin is supposed to be way better than NBAA, but you're going to have some side effects and shit like that, and probably withdrawals. I've never had any of that. So nba A you're just happy as fuck, you know what I'm saying. The worst thing is you can't bust you know what I'm saying. When you're smashing you wake up fine, I go to gym in the morning. Like if I party, I gotta get up early and go to the gym. You know

what I'm saying. It's funny that you said what you just said, because a Southside from itaway. Mafi was talking about doing MDMA and then not getting pussy, and then I was like, well, well do you jerk off? He's like yeah. I was like, is it a better jerk? It's like, it's not a better jerk, but it is a longer jerk. That's bizarre. I was like, all right, but but nah, but MBMA, but the best that I've taken, I haven't had a long time as LSD, I search

you guys it. Yeah, so that's more visual, like eavy visual right, No, not necessarily, Well, this is what it does. So it so all of the classic psychedelics buying to the two way serotonin receptor, they all do the same thing. But LSD buys more perfect than serotonin, you feel me. So it's just a it's a longer experience and it's just now. Visually is like everything I work glasses. I got my glass on now because I have sensitive eyes.

My other glasses in the car and they're tinted, but my vision is perfectly HD four eight K. On LSD. You just literally see better. For one, the most I've seen visually is just distortions, but not like anything that wasn't there. Yeah, I did see one time. So one time I did do a heroic dose, right, which is of what LSD that's a hero dose is like for people who don't know, that's like if you want to change your life, it's very transformative. You did it here,

So how much is that? I don't even know what the measurement is. But I did an entire dropper where you only do a little bubble, right, you do like the little tab and then so you did a whole drop. You could do the tabs, which is the easiest way to measure it, or liquid which you're supposed to dilute and then do it like that. But I never diluted it, but I knew how to get it enough. But this one day I did the whole drop. So what happened. The only thing I seen visually was the camera melting.

But I'm sitting there looking at it like I know that it's not melting, but it's fucking crazy that it looks like it's melting, you know what I'm saying. But other than that, it was just like it's very transformative in a sense that what it does is now when you take this big dose, it's not euphoric like when you take a hit, you know what I'm saying. So that big dose, it tells it your soul, you know what I mean. So things that are on your heart, it magnifies it. So if it's something, if you got

some demons, you gotta face that motherfucker. So I faced mine and it was just like a relation ship with a friend that I needed to fix, you know what I'm saying. And you have a sense of urgency to work on it. How long did that last that day? The whole like fifteen hours or so twelve. I've always I've heard people doing the heroes dose on psilocybin. I can imagine how you can do that. I think you have to eat so many I think it's nasty as

mushrooms and it's three a's. I've eaten handfuls of mushrooms and never even come close to And then you always hear people talk about like ayahuasca and DMT being Yeah, those are way different. So DMT will blast you off like ten minutes, but you're like not there. You lose track of time. Yeah, your eyes are rolling in the back of your head. One of my best friends, the DMT, said that he got a job was in a new

relationship and lived like six months of life in twenty minutes. Yeah, your people think that they're gone for a long time. Have you done that. I've done DMT, but I never blasted off, So you got to smoke it. I smoke you got a free base. Yeah, the penship not the way I hear it, but it knocks. Like one year on my birthday, I did LSD shrooms and I was puffing a d M T pin. It was a good fun night, but it sounds like it wasn't nothing crazy. But just taking a hit of LSD is very euphoric.

It's the best. You could sit there and do nothing and just be chilling, like, man, this is good. I'm having a good time, like listening to music and ship. You know what I'm saying on the vape. No no no, no, on a hit of LSD, like a like a normal and normal LSD. Yeah normal. So so so one night everybody came up before a fight and I take it in shrooms and LSD. Everybody else just took shrooms and

so I'm good. I can't wait for everybody to leave and I lay down and I put on I've been wanting to watch that Lemonade album, all the videos from Beyonce I take It. Took me a long time to get into shit. I don't want to watch it when everybody talking about it, you you know what I'm saying, But that shit been sitting in my head for years. This night I watched it, every fucking video, and I was like, this is for I respect this woman. And then I watched Jay Z's forty four to four all his videos.

It was a response to that. I'm like, wow, I was blown a fucking way. And then I watched the NAS documentary. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I was like, man, he's such a dope dude, like it just you just enjoy shit. You you ain't rushing, Like I can't sit and watch no a bunch of videos back to back, you know what I'm saying. But on that I watched and I had the time of my life and I gave a new found respect for all three of them. I always loved them, but it was different than and

I was so inspired, you know what I mean. Definitely, I do feel like you. Like, I discovered this band called Tam and Paula on Trooms. It's one guy. They've they've sound so this guy is headlined to Coachella, Like it's one dude who plays all the instruments. It's crazy, But I was just I was in a Joshua tree at Airbnb, and uh, I don't even know how it

came on. I think I searched like shroom music or something because I ate a lot, and I was in a hot tub under the stars and I was like, oh, this is the best song I've ever heard of my life. Who is this? There's some music that hits. So when you take nah nah, I think I just really just get stuck like in my thoughts in a good way and in a bad way. But I have I take that back. I took a bunch of edibles and I ate shrooms, and I got drunk as ship in Austin.

Me and Freddy Gibbs were out there. He did the Joe Rogan podcast, and uh, you know I'm a big Joe Rogan fan, so uh we ended up hanging out with him again at night upstairs at uh Anton's Comedy Club, and I had these shroom chocolates and I was like, yo, Joe, like you're the reason why I Loki. I got interested in the shrooms he's like, so it's only right. I'm gonna eat these in front of you. So me and me and Freddy split the candy bar. No, he was like, no,

I got a plan for this shit. Man. He's like, I just don't. I just don't. Fucking He's like, it's a Tuesday night. It was a Tuesday night. Yeah, it was kind of a bummer, but he was cool as fuck. But so I was already off in fucking edibles, ship

face drunk, and I ate a bunch of shrooms. I split the bar with fred and then we went out bar hopping and and I feel like every time I get super fucked up on psychedelics and I go out, all the wild shit that would happen to somebody in real life that would suck if you were tripping always happens to me. So like, there was this chick at this bar on sixth in Austin who was dancing for like thirty minutes straight, craziest cardio I've ever seen on

a human being. Oh no, she turned around and her face was it, you know, like it was like pixelated, like it was censored. I could was censored on cops like you know, like back then, you see you watch cops and there her face was censored. Yeah, like it was just that's weird. Bro. I had so that day when I took that heroic dose. He was with me, you know, Andre birth Throw, the boxer. He was with me, and then my old assistant and Bro. I would think

she's the most righteous person here. But her face was weird as fuck, and nobody else's face was. I was like, hey, you're good. I'm looking at she like she's looking at me like I can't even tell you what was wrong with it, but it's something wrong with it, Like her normal cute voice, right, I see sure, I said, come here real quick, I'm trying to see, and it's the same, like she's getting closed. I just like I had to turn go somewhere. I even went and looked at myself

in the mirror. They say, don't look at yourself, you're gonna freak out. I'm normal, but only her face, and she's a sweet peron. I don't know what the significance of that was, you know what I mean, She's not a bad person. She's a great person. Not your assistant anymore, not only because she moved on to bigger. I thought, that's where the story was, and I thought to be like face melting. And three weeks later I found out she was stealing from Mena. Never none of that she was.

She was like, she's a good friend of mine, you know, but I never told her that ship. I won't tell her that. Yeah, she took Ella's d like one time. Everybody in my office we all took it, like when we found out about it and ship, because you know, you think you can't work, but you work better, you know what I'm saying. So we all took it, and she freaked out didn't work for her. I sat with her. I had a perfect high or whatever you call it, perfect,

but I had to tend to her for like six hours. Well, I think it's it is one of the like rare things, like psychedelics is like really a person to person basis. Man, Yeah, because my wife will eat like a lot and not barely feel anything, and I'll eat the same amount and I'll be fucking sunk in the sunken place. Speaking of Rogan, I went to see him in Irvine improv and I ate two chocolate bars right, and he was fucking hilarious.

I felt like he was on shows two You know what I'm saying, and man, we're gonna vibe, but this is weird. He it was like, not him. Everybody that came on stage looked fucking bizarre shit, right, and he was like, this is not this is him, but it's not the texture of his skin was weird because you know, he's kind of short and like like a short cave

man by very much, but it was like intensified. It's crazy how short he is, Like when you actually meet him and you don't realize, like, oh, he's a short dude. Like I mean, he's fucking built like a fucking tree, you know. But I seen him maybe a month later sober, look like normal Joe Rogan, Uh, have you ever talked to him about maybe going on the show or anything. No,

I don't. I don't know. We have somebody, a couple of people mutual friends, but now I haven't had a I would love to one day everybody be like you like the black little Rogan take that as a compliment, But I don't have a reason right now. You know what I'm saying. If it's a big project I have coming out or whatever, maybe you drop a book or documentary or yeah, all things that I'm working on, so then I'll play that card. But I do want to do it just to do it. I mean I would

if we could just keep rocking. You know what I'm saying, because I with him hard. You know what I'm saying. I saw you had a bench press competition with Bradley Martin. Yeah, who's also a big YouTuber. Yeah that's the only Yeah, what what's your like? How's he as a dude? Because I would see him like, well, Steve will do it and the nelkboards and he solid, he slid with me. Bro. You know he's got a really dope gym in the valley. Yeah.

He We was cool Lure back in the day. But you know, I just did his podcast like last week, and I just told some real ship on the podcast. I said, yeah, man, we're cool, but I felt like you kind of like used me a little bit, like because my my channel was up, he didn't have a channel and I was popping, and I've seen he went to me for a while, then he went to this

one and that one. You know what I'm saying, which the boys really fucking yeah, And I had to say this, I had to to say, it's not that you did anything wrong. You identify what was going to be beneficial for your acceleration in the space. That's fine, it's nothing wrong with that. I just don't do that. Like my relationships with people are genuine, you know what I'm saying, And so that just kind of felt weird, you know what I'm saying. Unfortunately, a lot of people are like that. Yeah,

he took it well. We talked about we're good. We solid. That's my guy, you know what I'm saying. I got a love for him. I'm proud of him. He do his thing, but yeah, but he solid, bro, he solid. He's one thing that was dope about him when he

came around. Back then, it was like there was so many people that wanted to like come getting videos and shit right, I'm like, all right, well, come get down with us, because we're going to hell and back, and motherfuckers will come up late to try to be a part of it, and and I'll be telling my videuy, like don't have this, nigga, then just turn the camera off when he's doing the ship because like, nah, you do all of the ship with us. You ain't got to be as strong, but put in the effort. You

know what I'm saying. There was a guy. I remember a guy because every I don't really do anymore, but people will fly in pay two grand to train with me like that. And in the video, and I remember a guy quit like first two exercises, right, he just can't really Yeah, and then but I felt like he just wanted to get his picture with me and all that shit. He met you, he hung out and then he was like, Yo, how can I get that with the squad? I was like, one, nigga, you quit, Like

that's not what I do. Like, what are you talking about? You know what I'm saying. I'm so pure everything I do. It's just weird when people are on that kind of shit around me. It's like you didn't know, motherfuckers. But and I just felt like everybody's pure, you know what I'm saying, But most people aren't. Hey, we got to stop the interview real quick to tell you about our family. Are good folks at odd socks. You see me, Look, these are odd socks basics on my skinny, white fucking legs.

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time a day? What is like? Because you know some people do the keto thing, some people are vegan. You know, what would be in your opinion kind of like obviously you're an expert in terms of bodybuilding, health, exercise all that. What do you think is the best diet. It would depend on that individual. It depends on what you can sustain, what's sustainable for you, you know what I'm saying. It would depend on what works for your body. You know what I'm saying. It's a it's so many variables. I

will never say this is the way for everybody. Yeah, it feels like a diet. Diet thing is kind of like not one size fits all. It's not and it's not rocket science either, you know what I mean. There's a lot of people in the space that over complicates the information for people, so they feel like they need to be with these people. I'm not doing that at all. I've never done that. So I'll communicate the information in a very digestible way because that's how I needed to me,

you know what I'm saying. I ask a lot of questions when I'm trying to understand something, So I think like that when I'm trying to educate people on certain things and return they kind of stay with you anyway because they fuck with you, they respect you, they know that you're giving them good information. So yeah, I never scare people with information, you know what I'm saying, unless they're unhealthy. I'm like, you're going to die right right right? You know when you say you eat once a day,

it's one meal a day? Like will you have a protein shake? Will you will have a three workout? Is one meal a day? Like today I had a beef jerky and some piece of cheese on the way up here. I was just hungry. Not a meal. Not a meal. I have a meal park when we leave here or get back to OC. But yeah, there's sometimes I do have a protein shake, sometimes have a shake around the time on my meal. But it's just one meal. You know what I'm saying. And the reason I do it

is for like the body, our bodies. First of all, there's two killers. There's two epidemics right in this country. And it's not COVID. It's heart disease and type two diabetes, right, and both of them. If heart disease and diabetes is a bullet, food is the gun. You know what I'm saying. We get it about how much we eat and the shit that we eat. Right, So I fast, like I do a fast once a week every Wednesday, twenty four fast. But so every Wednesday you're fasting, correct, So I fasted

a lot throughout the years. Right, I'm Muslim, not super religious, but it's still in the cultures. I'm just used to it, you know what I'm saying. But I kind of came up with my own reasons for fasting outside of health purposes. But the health purposes is you're giving your digestive system a break, right, You're giving your brain a break. Because people don't realize that forty percent of the food or the energy that you're putting in your body is being

used up by your brain. It's crazy. The brain is an expensive piece of real estate, and it's not the biggest you know what I mean. So pound for pound, your brain's eating up most using most of the energy that you're using you're putting your body. Now, with that, it's slowing down different mechanisms in the body. So if you got a little virus, a little infection, your immune system is not working as properly. If you always full

of food, because you have to digest that shit. With digestion, it's like one two, it's like four or five different stages of digestion. So that's so much work that your brain got to do and your body got to produce. That's why people get tired when they eat, you know, I mean for sure. So for me, me being a high octane person, always on the go with a lot of shit to do, I want to be at my optimal levels at all time. You're not optimized when you're

full of food, You're not. You know, our ancestors when they were hunters and gatherers, the motherfuckers ate a couple times a week, let alone a day, you know what i mean. And when they went out and hunted for food, or search or forge for food, or had the track a fucking elk for miles, they did on an empty stomach. On an empty stomach, you have a heightened sense of awareness and alertness, you have more energy, all of these things.

This is necessary and evolutionary biology because we have to survive, you know what I mean. It doesn't get you get a dump of a pleasure sensors when you eat, so you're not trying to hustle, you're not trying to get out. Of course, you eat, you chill, you relax, you know what I'm saying. It's a reward so you can go and do it again when it's necessary. So, but when you're not, it feels uncomfortable. But you're operating better now.

For me, I shift my perspective, right, I recalibrate my thinking, so I'm not uncomfortable when I'm not eating. You know what I'm saying. I'm actually more comfortable because everybody else is tripping out about having to find food, you know what I'm saying. And I don't need it right and you know, just to you know my brain, I just think more clear. I make better decisions. You know. I don't have that brain fag when I eat too much, like a weekend, I just go hard. I got brain

fog on Monday. I'm saying a lot. Will you do that, like a once once a week at least, just going not really? You know, people have their cheat day, maybe it's once a month, once a while. I don't. Yeah, it's such a setback for me. So it's another thing, bro, I have a different relationship with food. I don't look at food is not a pleasurable thing for me. It tastes good when I eat it, but I'm not I don't associate like you like a food. Nah, I'm not at all. Food is just a means to when it

it's just fuel for my body. That's it. You put gas. I don't like gas, but I got to put it in my car to drive it. It's the same relationship with food. Even if I go out nice restaurant, I barely eat. I'm drinking, you know what I'm saying, having fun. I'm there for the vibes. I might eat a little salad, just something. When I eat, I'm not motivated, you know what I'm saying. When I eat, I want to kick my feet up. But I mean, obviously, you're a big guy.

You have a lifestyle that is burns a lot of energy. So do you get I mean, you obviously have a big meal one today and then protein shake. But my meal is at the end of the day. So when you don't eat as often, you have better protein synthesis, right, So that means you have a better mechanism of your body breaking down proteins, carbs, and fats and shuttling it to the right places that you actually need. It's no excess, right, So people actually build muscle better when they eat less.

You know what I mean. Now, what you're used to seeing is people eating five six times a day, so they're going to build a lot of muscle regardless. A lot of fact too, so, but lots of chips. Yeah, all that shit, that's crazy. But sorry, my friend over there's a vegetarian and alway does is these fucking noodles, chips and cheese pizza. Worst died ever anyway. But yeah, so yeah, and then faster and just fasting in general, like your body reaches a it does this thing called autophagy.

And what it does is it's like it's like a starvation mode, right, and they start cleaning out all the dead cells. You know what I'm saying. It's a regenerative thing that I do once a week, you know. And I'm not sure if I reach outopogy during the during that one day period. Yeah, no, I know I do it in a one day period, but I'm not sure if I do it in my one throughout the day once a day like day. Yeah, And I have slowed down my metabolism. So you always hear fast metabolism that's healthy.

It's no healthy or unhealthy metabolism, it's just effishent or any fishing. A fast metabolism is actually in an effiicient metabolism. And if you look at across the fucking animal kingdom, the animals that eat the most lived the shortest years. You know what I mean, big cats, you know the predators animals that live the longest. I mean, there's a predators too, but they eat very few times, like crocodiles. Sharks, shit sharks live like five hundred years. A greenland shark

live five hundred years. They have no reason to die, you know what I'm saying. The turtles don't eat it, and it can be a hundred years old, right. They eat once a year, once a year x amount of months, you know what I'm saying. So, but they have extremely slow metabolisms, and you would you get that by eating less. It's simple. Now, if someone eats a lot and have a slow metabolism, that's a problem. They're fast, yeah. Or if somebody eat once a day and have a fast metabolism,

it's just not gonna work. Right. So if you have a faster metabolism, but you slow it down or speed it up, depending on how you eat. My shit used to be like rapid fast when I ate a lot. But so so I know, like my size, it would seem like it's how is it likely I can be two fifteen to twenty on one mill of day. I used to be too fifty. You know what I'm saying. I was eating a lot what I'm saying, so that ain't healthy. Even though I look great, I got my

blood work, I was trending towards being pre diabetic. Two fifty is two fifty. You don't give a fuck if his muscles or not, you know what I'm saying. And I was eating fucking every two three hours. You know what I'm saying. Spike and insulin become an insulin resistant That's how we get diabetes. So I slowed that shit down, just took matters into my own hands, started doing going back to one mither day. I used to do it a long time ago. Wow. Yeah, what would you say

like your routine? Do you have a routine every day or does it change because you're obviously a busy guy. You retort, you record content, But is there like a I'm working out during these hours, have my protein shake after you do a protein shake right after your workout, or it depends on how I feel. So I do have a routine, And yeah, there's some variations like say if I come out to LA or whatever, but typically I'm at the gym at seven thirty. Well, I get

up around five thirty five o'clock, I'll wake up. I'm out the bed five thirty five forty five. I meditate first thing in the morning, and then I'll I'll either sit and read or I'll play something and lay back down, like an audiobook or something or a video I wanted to learn about. And then I'm out the door train and then my little crew that we all train together early and then we go sit in asauna and just talk, talk shit, whatever. And then from their home, shower, get dressed,

and I'm at the office. I'm either shooting content or we're in meetings or phone calls, just handling my shit during the day, and I'm usually there till about six seven. It depends on what I'm working on. Sometimes I'll work from home if I don't have to shoot something and yeah, and then at the end of the day's kids or my own little time shit like that. What are some I've seen you train with rappers like Jim Jones and Miami. Who are some of the artists that you've trained with

that could hang with you a bit with effort? Jim Jones Jim, Yeah, he seems to take it very serious in terms of just one percent Yeah, Jimmy would be out partying. He come balance that shit out in the gym. He rocks a legit rock star. Yeah, but he he he stay on. If Jimmy wasn't training the way he do, he probably be very unhealthy and look like shit. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, he's a beast. I'm both Yeah, a beast. So I respect the hell out of jim Jones. It takes a lot to be a rock star because

there's effort in that. He's a rock star. Bro. Yeah, he's that guy. And then on top of that to still have the discipline or find the energy to get up and hit the gym. You have to. You have to or you're going to die unfunded death. You know what I'm saying. We kill ourselves with the shit that we do for fun, so you try to balance it out with training and trying to eat right. You know, Yeah,

you were saying that. Do you think because I do think that, like we said earlier about diets, like it's a not a one size fits all thing, do you think there's negative drawbacks to people who cut meat and animal products out of their diet. Yeah, I mean there can be a deficiency and a lot of different nutrients, iron, protein,

like you name it. However, there's supplementation, there's other ways to get these things, like if you're taking supplements, you can probably go to like gen C and find stuff to kind of substitute. Yeah, it's ways around it. But I think like it's all about balance because I ate a vegan diet for a couple of years. Yeah, but I didn't think it was necessary. I wanted to try it just to see and it got it was easy, right, But I don't think I like me so yeah, I

love it. Something like a or or big filet of salmon blackness if it's cooked the right way, cooked the right way exactly salmon. Salmon's got to be prepared right yeah. Otherwise Yeah, but uh, what is obviously you have the supplement line. Where can people find that? I know it's online, but is it Ambrosia Collective dot com or at all the vitamin shops about a thousand stores throughout the country. Yeah, that's a big look. Are you trying to get in

G and C? And No not really. They don't have the best terms, and I really my business is direct to consumer. Get yoked. There's a I don't know if you have you heard of Get Yoked, I haven't. You're trying to get in to Get Yoked. It's a uh they have like a bunch of stores like okay, it's actually stores Armenian Armenian owned place. Their stores are flat a lot of times. If it's not a big retailer, I'm kind of spoiled. I'm with huge Like the smaller retailers.

It's kind of it's like a lot to manage for. Yeah, it's almost like the trade off is like not worth it. Could rather just direct a consumer at that point, that's my that's where we make the money at you know what i mean. So Ambrosia is a full line of this sports nutrition supplements. See, we come from it from a holistic approach. Fuck that were coming from it from a spiritual approach. Because every product that we put out

is good for you, you know what I'm saying. So we max out on the science, We spend the we put a bag on ingredients that are new to get exclusivity deals, you know what I'm saying. We get third party testing. We have G and C certification, so the highest and highest of quality control we have. We we've been doing since day one, so me and my partners, we had other company before this, so it wasn't like

a money play. It was like a legacy play, like let's do the dopest fucking shit, you know what I'm saying, and make it affordable. So that's exactly what we did. And we wasn't worried about making money. We was just not wanting to lose money. But like after like a year a year or so, we you know, doing taxes and we're looking at sales. I wasn't that bad, but

not even pushing it right. So when I came back here from Arizona, i sold my other company, went all in with Ambrosia, and we just fucking just just we started with like doing tours like the United Kingdom, United States, Australia, all the English speaking countries, just hitting the ground, hustling old school style and that shit works. I was doing a lot of like my marketing is education on the ingredients and the importance of these products because they're hard

to sell. It's not like just a fat burner. I have a fat burner now, but I barely put a fat burner out less than a year ago, you know what I'm saying. I've been in business for years, so I went backwards doing really complicated products that it's not easy to sell. But it made me a beast with marketing because you know you, And it gave me a lot of credibility with my fan base because I'm educating them on these ingredients. You're not selling them bullshit either,

It's like not bullshit at all. So and we stand by everything, like we have batch we have codes you could scan to see which batch this came off of, and the testing this that and the third. So a lot of people ain't doing that. So these people are smart nowadays. You know what I'm saying. It's not one hundred percent necessary to go to that extent, but the fact that we go to that extent, it gives us a lot of credibility, and in return, it gives us a lot of respect amongst our peers, which I value,

and in turn, the sales come in. So you have protein, I mean you know I have protein. You have you have a whole line of a whole lot ofmlement. So what would I guess what would be your like let's say like a big brand like Ghost. What's like a difference between like what everyone else is doing and what you're doing in terms of just ingredients. I don't know what Ghost is doing ingredient wise, yeah, but I think

what they're doing marketing wise is really cool. They got a dope energy about their business, about the marketing, the branding, and I fox with it. I'm a I love marketing, I love people being I love people being innovative about this ship. Like mine, I take a whole different approach. My shit is more like Illuminati vibes, you know what I'm saying. Like you like, there's there's little encrypted messages on labels. Even when you pick it up you feel it.

It's embossed with hieroglyphics. You know what I'm saying. Everything means something. And then I name products based on just different places of the world because I want to include everybody, you know what I mean. So it's a lot of like just like window is a Swahili word for movement, and that's a joint support product. Plantas plants in Spanish. You know what I'm saying. Pacha Mama is my coffee.

That's Mother Earth like in Peru, get your coffee. Yeah, I got a coffee and listen even that high level. So it's single we buy it from. We source our coffee beans from one family, a farm in Peru. You know what I'm saying. The most coffee nowadays is like hot dogs. It's just like shitty beans from wherever. You know what I'm saying, Like hot dogs is just a

bunch of mixed up from whatever whatever animal ours. A single source from one family, one farm, So we've been getting from them for years, so we feel good about that. So to honor them, we name the coffee Pacha Mama something Peruvian, you know what I mean. So just being mindful of the world that we live in, and you know, and making people feel included, you know what I mean. That's so I wanted to ask you before you get

out of here. You're somebody who's got so much going on, and sometimes I get to the point where I'm like pushing myself so much in terms of just things that I got my hands in at the same time that it can be become exhausting and like sometimes take a toll on like the personal side of my life. How do you deal with managing so much? Yeah, so I'm over that home now. So you know, previously it was like, man,

it was like I didn't have nothing to give nobody. Yeah, it's like because you're because you're your days over and you just finished. So now it's a little different man, because things are automated and Brosia, it had to sit on my shoulders for a couple of years. It has a life of its own Now I barely do content for it, Ambrosia anymore. It's such a machine. It's its own brand now business, you know what I mean. So it's my face is not on the labels like my

very first company. I had to put me on there so people know it's me so they buy it. But that's a cheap trick to get sales, you know what I'm saying. And I didn't want that for this. So I just wanted to be like from A to Z, be excellent with everything, like the marketing, the names of products, like what's in it, the ingredients to taste, like everything had to be on points. So it's his own entity now,

you know what I mean. It's a beast and we we we constantly have vcs courting us trying to throw big millions of dollars to be a part of it, to buy a Yeah, what about how often do you shoot content like do you ever just stack it and then say cool, I got I have a ton of shit. So so it's ship that I'll see an ad I forgot that I did, you know what I'm saying. Yeah that was a while ago. Yeah, so it's a lot of ship. So but I'm always when I think of

I don't like be forcing myself to shoot ship. I like to be let the creativity come naturally, you know what I mean. Or if I'm inspired by something, I'll go and record. But I'm not forcing myself to shoot on a particular schedule, you know what I mean. But I am trying to get more consistent with the podcasting because I really enjoyed that, you know what I mean. So, and I have I can share the creativity by having

a conversation with somebody else. It ain't just me coming up with everything, right, So but yeah, but with that, and honestly, the thing that I like doing the most professionally is stuff for other people because we also I also have like a small media company in which you know, I launched, help people launch YouTube channels and all kind of shit. So I like doing that, even doing the YouTube thing for a while, I mean, and the social

media thing. It's crazy too, because like I think I might have been following you already and I saw somebody from Arizona post you and then I was like, oh shit, that's sind Q. What the fuck? Like what happened to sin Q? And now I know because you was like just literally disappeared off the map because man up squad was that That was like prior to Willie signing with DTP, right, yeah,

and then you gotta he got on. He still you know, that's my little bro, you know what I'm saying, And to connect ask him that that was me, that was my story. You know what I'm saying, Like literally, you know what I mean. Got Let me tell you something. I was doing radio on Boise, Idaho two thousand and nine when that album came out, and I bought ten copies from the record store Love You. Willie wasn't the

strongest body work. Yeah, you know what, but it was a moment he first state it was a moment for crazy. He Like I used to tell him, like, bro, what the fuck dore you doing in Arizona? Get out of here, go to Atlanta. You should have moved to He should have moved to Atlanta. I told him hang out with scrap, go be in the club. I'll send bread out there. So you could just grease the DJs whatever, do what you gotta do, play the game. But he wanted to be a big fish in a small pond, and I

get it. I guess. Like also, like he had like a record like Hood Dreamer with Bob, which was a little before its time because Bob hadn't really popped popcast. That shit was dope. Though he had some ship, he had some good records. Body marked up a classic classic. The dude is talent it But I remember that they was pushing so hard, so fast to get to drop that album. Like I think they fucking up. They're gonna drop album. Ain't nobody gonna fuck with it? You know

what I'm saying. I think the timing wasn't right, and I think just spiritually, my guy wasn't in a good space, you know what I'm saying. A good classic era of as hip hop. There was Carly Hustle had the street Heat of the week. Shout out to Carly. There was Exposed Magazine. Were you ever on the cover of Exposed? I feel like everybody was eventually, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I was. I know, I was, I was on the cover. I didn't like it because it was around of time

that all the ship was happening. They were like, damn, this magazine's getting circulated and I'm going through having videos pulled over YouTube like yo, take this ship down, Like you know what I'm saying, it was that was a scary time for them, a scary time. You still have children in as just one daughter, like I got my my my son, my six year old that was with me, and my six year olds with me, and my fifteen year oldaughter lives in Arizona. She go back often. Yeah,

I go out there. She comes out here too, but right now she's in dance, so I gotta go out there. It's all summer. So I'm surprised you just didn't get the giant, giant, giant, giant mansion out there. I don't like Arizona, bro, and I don't want to be like chilling it in Arizona. That's not impressive, not at all. I would to kill it out here. It's not impressive. That's why why do you think I'm fucking here exactly? You know what I'm saying. Charles Barklay and Sun's jerseys

behind you and we're in the Diamondbacks hat. But I'm not going back. So I go back and visit DJ, I see my family, but I'm never moving back. I would move back like when I'm older. Yeah, yeah, I mean like in the peak of my life. I'm not living in Phoenix. When I retire, I might retire in fucking you know, Paradise Valley or some ship, but I'm not fucking like, for the record, it's fucking beautiful saying. I was in Paradise Valley before I left, but I'm

with old people, like it's a great place to get comfortable. Yeah, I'm not there. Yeah, that's exactly what I thought. Remember I said I was gonna buy big ass house. I was like, why would I do that? Right now? I got so much shit to do, you know what I'm saying. And to be honest, shit was getting kind of stagnant for me while I was there, you know what I'm saying. Opportunities, creativity, all kind of shit. And you were in Miami for a secon, right, yeah yeah, And I was back and

forth Arizona Miami, so Miami was popping. So right now you have your headquarters are in Orange County. You got you got a team that just works with you on everything. Yep, that's dope, man. Yeahsp without my team, of course it ain't. My team is the team like we all, you know what I'm saying, equal units one. That's dope, man. And then uh, just you're gonna just keep expanding. And you say you're working on a book. Maybe you have been writing a book for years, but your book's gotta be crazy.

I'm a good you know, and you'll know what it's time to drop it too. I'm a good writer, but I'm not a discipline writer. So I haven't written now. I wrote a couple of weeks ago, but it's it's sparse, you know what I'm saying. It's also if you just tell your story about your life, could be a movie, low key. I mean on the run ship? What selling dope? Going on the run? If Pain and Gain is a fucking movie with Mark Walberg in the I don't know. I think it was. I think it was loosely based.

I think it was. That's dope. I mean, and rewatch that and put your stomach up away. Bro, come on, man, you know I feel like that today. Sometimes you got to let that gut hang mane there it is. Well listen, I appreciate you coming through. Man, Go follow this guy, Go subscribe to the YouTube channel, Go buy some supplements and brosia. Yes, the pre workouts mushroom based. Yes, it is adaptagen so uh yeah. Kinetic is the world's first

mushroom based pre workout tastes amazing. You get just good pure energy, but it also like adapted just help you adapt to stress better. You know what I'm saying, stressful situation. So it's is bomb. I know people who take like a micro dose before they work out, like legit, Like I'm like scibon, yeah, yeah, Like I don't. Micro dos is a waste of mushrooms for me. You're a fucking beast. This guy's like I did a hero. You know what

I'm saying. You went to fucking Universal studios where people are jumping out dressed as monsters on lait on N D, M A and true. Yeah you're a wild boy. Man. Hey, I want to say to you, man, I'm proud of you. Bro. Like seeing people from the hometown come up and killing it here. I don't know if you remember the night y'all took over Friday Night flavors. M hmm. With Matt Locks. It was no, no, it was just like a cool moment and I was there. I was like just hanging

out as an intern. It was I want to say, it was like you wially I remember that night. Ocean was their shouts to Ocean, shouts to my guy kaleik Uh. Yeah, I forgot Ocean was in manup squad. Damn y'all. I had to live. That feels like a fighter. Now I could be fighting and sh you know, and like wrestling, right dah, he does illustrations. He's like w W type. Yeah,

shout out to Coalik. But yeah, no, it was. It was crazy because you'll like just took over the radio for like two hours right with the I think it was Matt Lock's Squeak Squeak boogie. They show love but was moving. I was moving so wow. You know what I'm saying. I blocked a lot of blessings, Bro, I was in I was in rooms with some powerful people.

You know what I'm saying. At that time? Hey, but hey, honestly, bro, the journey has led you to this, and it's as crazy as it sounds, not the most rewarding gig to be a mid mid level successful rapper, because most rappers signed shitty record deals and then they end up in this all worked out for you, man, because not for sure if I would have made it back then, I probably would have destroyed myself. I was too real. You know what I'm saying. I remember with case talking ship

to him slapping money out. You know what I'm saying, That he's doing dumb ship like I used to be so like unhinged, you know what I'm saying. So you you were like throwing money in Casey's face. Nah, we was all was doing an interview like you slapped your favorite DJ, I slap your favorite rapper, like throwing throwing stacks ship. I will go to New York to pick

up money. And then while I was there, like a little shot and whoever sh come through all the little radio ships and you know what I'm saying, So yeah, I was just I was living the life. But without a deal. You know what I'm saying, without a deal, without a deal, There it is, man. We'll appreciate you pulling up and yes, sir, yes, sir. Fire