#187 - Jelly Roll

pull over, we're stressed out. I could solve the pucking. Let's everybody just split the pack in half, right, and we're fucking We're all gonna be high, nobody's going to jail, and we're gonna have a wild afternoon. We didn't expect, you know what I'm saying, Those are the best ones. Have you done that where you've eaten drugs before you get pulled over? Yes, before the cops? Even I never I didn't even get whipped one time. He just followed me for so long. He took some fucking trooms. Oh wow,

it took like a fucking whole fucking eighth. I mean a whole fucking quarter. I like did the journey dog. I was just like, I was like, he followed me for like twelve minutes. I was like, he's whipping me at any moment, dude, I don't want to be caught scrambling when he does, so I just and somen of a bitch just bangs a hard left on me, like he watched me take him like, Hahi, Patty, have a

good afternoon, bitch. Aren't those the best highs? Though? They're like the best drunks, Like when you go somewhere and you're like, I'm not gonna get drunk tonight, and at that this morning, you got drunk this morning? Yep, Yes, at seven fifteen this morning. You want to hear this story? Yeah, best story ever. We go get on our plane this morning. Our plane leaves at seven fifteen this morning. I'm on like two or three hours of sleep. I am. I hate flying. You've been a little sick too, I saw

I've been a little under the weather. I'm starting to feel better because I took a steroid pack. I sit down on the plane and the dude next to me is just cool as fuck. And as soon as I sit down. I'm joking. I get on the plane. I'm like, you're lucky contest the number one. You get the fat guy next to you today. I know that's what he's thinking, right when I'm standing in the aisle. Tell me it's not a plane full of people gonna please not me, not please, not me. And I'm like and I'm like,

you're it, buddy, I'm your guy. And I sit down next to him, and across from us is a night couple. They're gay couple, really nice couple. They're cool, they're in it. We're all engaging. We got a little thing going on this row. And before the plane takes off, the flight attendant's like, anybody want to drink? Us was a long flight and I was like, yeah, I'll tell you got tequila. He's like, well, I got the margarita shooters. So it's like, you know. He pours me a big, nice margarita. I

smack it. Do next to me smacks a vodka and soda. This is seven seventeen, this morning, flights leaving at seven twenty. We're drinking before the door shut on the plane. The two dudes next to them, we're like, they get hype They're just like, well they're doing it, we'll do it. So the two dudes are like, fucking bring us to vodka sodas. You know how most times you would have a flight attendant who like his job is to kind of party police what's happening. We had the opposite flight attendant.

He was a goddamn bartender. He would walk over and be like, are we drinking or do I need to twist an arm here or something? Fellas like gassing us up. We're like, fucking last week got the job. Yeah, It's like and I did find out he's getting off for four days. So he's like, brings us another drink. Now we've just got to the seat belts off and I'm too. Marguerite's in. I don't drink vodka. I just drink tequilak. The guy goes, I'm like, mask, give me into gesture. Man.

He was like the gay dude, sweetest dude on earth, goes all big Papa, I got you. Just follow me. Do what you did for me. It was a no vodka, throw a splash of soda. He won't even notice of the common stomach down. It'll be the best thing to happened to him. These dudes start getting me fucked up. We smacked like six vodkas. This dude was like giving us last call before we dropped. When we're descending, he's like, I can legally give y'all one more. What do you think?

And everybody's like hooray. At this point, we're all blackout drunk. Almost the two dudes behind the couple are drinking with us. Now there's another girl behind them that's participating. Like the entire front half of the plane is now getting just wrecked. This is amazing. It's dude. I pulled in like, I don't remember anything about getting to where we're staying at, any of the sequences that happened, from how we get there, who drove us, We came and ate a big breakfast,

and I kind of got back on my feet. I was just sitting at the hotel pounding water when I got your text and I was like, I'm almost sobered up enough to go do this podcast. Well you're here. Yeah that sounds like a great morning man. Is that not the best buzzes though? Yeah? For sure. I feel like unexpected nights are unexpected, Like I feel like when you go out and you're like I'm getting sucked up tonight.

Usually those are the nights you end up like regretting. Yeah, you're like, oh fuck, wake up with a bad hangover, do some dumb shit exactly. But when you have no when you don't plan on getting drunk with you know, a couple of gay guys in first class and just get smacked. Yeah, oh we love each other. Now we're texting each other. We're gonna go to dinner when we all get back to Nashville. We're like friends, nice, this is awesome. How's uh, how's how's everything with the family,

how's the wifey? And she's killing her podcast, going crazy rushing. We should call the dumb blonde podcast dumb blonde podcast. We should have set it up for you to do it while she was here. Yeah, she's killing it. She's she's really crushed. Man. She was actually in Vegas this whole week doing doing pods. So she just came over to LA and met me today nine. But yesterday I think she got her day before me to shop or some ship. But are you like, uh, because I know,

was it about two years she's been doing it? Yeah, she's the pandemic kind of triggered it. And you're just kind of like you're like the unofficial like guest like guest host. Yeah, whenever, yeah, just whenever. You know what's crazy. The bitch is so popular now she don't need me. When she first started potting and I was like I would just fill in kind of whenever. And now I'm like, can I get on your podcast? And I need a plug. I got a record coming out, I like, got some

shit going on I need to talk about. I got like pencil me in so jelly, things are going well. You got Jimmy Kimmel tomorrow. I got Jimmy Kimmel. Dad. By the time this is out, I don't know. Yeah, by the time this is out, he'll be on You'll be able to go on YouTube or look on some yeah for sure. Uh yeah. How many plaques do we got now the last couple of years? Save me Platinum? Right, save Me's platinum, Falling the Falls gold, Creature's gold. Same

asshole just got its certification. I think to be gold. I think the uh way then Willie two albums close to being gold is the whole record wow, And I think a beautiful disaster is closing in on it because we've got like two more records off a Beautiful Disaster that are closed to gold and right now you just got this trying to look like this fucking place in here, Bubba, it's happening well. For people who don't know you, let's

give them a rundown. I've known you for about eight nine years, but you are like a veteran for real in this music shit. You have had many incarnations of your career. You've had to go sit down for a little bit. Yeah, get back out, but let's break down, like, how long have you been doing this shit? Like, I guess how long have you been making money off of because you started off. I mean, obviously you still do rapping, but you're kind of like people are kind of being

introduced to you as a country guy. Yeah, yes, you've been doing this for a long time. Yeah. I had an interesting thing happened to me just today, a guy seeing me out in Hollywood, and he was like, YO, heard your song dead Man Walking on rock radio. I became a fan. I love your stuff. I identified to him as a rock artist mm HM, which went number one, right, yeah, went number one for multiple weeks, my first number one. And then you fast forward in the airport in Nashville today.

I'm taking a picture with a couple at six forty five this morning. Then when somebody goes back and goes, who's that, and he goes, he's a country artist, you know. But then it's like, I'm hanging out with Bootleg Keg. Who knows I'm a rapper? Right? You know? It's so funny. When we were pulling up all my guys have been with me a long time. You knew a couple of them, and I don't know why I didn't tell them where we were going. I was like, yeah, we're just going

to do a podcast. We pull up them like, Yo, we're going to do We're going to see Bootleg Kevin. I was like, that's the fucking home. He's been following me for seven years because we met each other, you know, and it was just super cool to see that. So, yeah, it's been weird. We're kind of a format agnostic, that is true. But what was like for you, like, how many years in is this? You did it? What do you mean you did it? You see that you look at him smiling, he knows it, you did it. You remember,

we're eating tacos outside of Saint Tacos. Sat Pete Floyda and Saint Pete Florida, And yeah, I was out here in l A doing the doing this, doing a shimmy shuck at the time and trying to figure it out. And I'd had the record Sunday Morning yep, before Uncle Cracker was before Uncle Cracker was on, when it was just an acoustics trip down record, and you were like,

what the fuck are you doing? You was like, go all, you just like started preaching to me at this little taco bus and you were like, bet the farm on this ship, this is what you need to do, this is it, this is you were just like ringing it home. I can't remember Rich was with us that time or not, but I know we've seen Rich in the same circuit around that time. And I was like I left there thinking like, all right, fuck it, I want to just an idea. I just went all the way in. Yeah,

that Sunday Morning record was crazy. It's still crazy. I wanted to do it so fire. I love that song. It's yeah, I like the like the O G version that you would just play me. No, for sure, it was like a real it was unplugged right, It was like just literally brought it, I mean saved me, Yeah, for sure, exactly. Literally, I got something I played before we leave. I got I want to play I'm so excited about I bet. Yeah. That was like in twenty

That was like twenty fourteen. That was like when you what was the name of that white dude would always book all y'all in Saint Pete Fuck keV, Big kevog cav. Yeah, I just seen Big keV when we went down there and played, uh, what was the rock Fest? We played the rockyuad They're gonna hate me. Fucking forgive me, y'all. I'm hungover. I'm day hungover. It's different. Yeah, it's so different when you got drunk at nine am. But we played No No No that We played that one after that.

But it was the Tampa Rock Station. Yeah, it's rock Fest or something whatever the name of that station was down there in Tampa. The rock station. Fucking anybody should know. You should know what's name. It's only rock station something X ninety eight X. I think yeah, X might have been X fast or something like that. That sounds about right. Yeah, whatever,

a Ryan, we kicked it. We had a ball. But anyways, Yeah, I just I've just seen big Kevvy came out to see us, sir, But like I want to kind of give people like a real idea of like how long this journey has been for you, because like you were also independently very successful before you and I met, you had a following. You know what I'm saying, Like, this ship is very it feels like what it is like

twenty years in Yoh, for sure. I realized how old I was listening to you and Caskie's podcast when Caski, who's a dude that's been around for a long time now, referenced me as the first dude he did a song with. Yeah, and I was like, I am fucking old. I was like, it's happened. I became home, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Cassie's been around a long time. Yeah. Yeah, So what was like, you do you remember, like what was the

first project? What was that year I came I got released from jail the last time that I had to do a bid in two thousand and nine, and I put out the ten minute freestyle which we were talking about off camera that if my po ask I hang Drywall, which we still sell those shirts on jelly Roll six one five dot com and I remember putting it on YouTube. My dude had a flipcam chat arms. Yeah. I just

was watching the YouTube video like two weeks ago. Yeah. Well, we didn't realize the power of YouTube now, mind you. I was putting out mixtapes while I was in and out of jail before that old school CD spindles. You were part of this era, like we're running around passing out five dollars like straight off the spindle, handwritten jelly roll, right.

So I did that and then my introduction to the internet was about two thousand and nine and he filmed that ten minute freestyle and uploaded it and it went crazy, especially for that era because then me and Little White ended up doing Pop Another Pill because White it reached out to me right after I got out of jail, and then we did the Snow project with JUICYJ and DJ Poulin Project Pad, and we had all that history with three six Mafia at that time and all that

stuff we were doing. And I remember me and Little White as shots popping another pill video of Mike Busy and Panama City Beach. This is back when World Star hip Hop was god right. We submitted it to World Star Hip Hop and I'll never forget this. They said, hey, man, we only post videos that go viral. First time I heard the word viral, and we were like, well, define viral. And in the email back they said, thirty thousand views

in a week on YouTube. That's it. That's how inf You still had to go to a desktop computer and type in www dot YouTube dot com. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So it's like it was in such its infante stages that we ended up doing fifty thousand views in three days. So they put it on World Star and that was the beginning of that. That was like one of my first eraors. You know what I'm saying. Damn, I feel like post jail. If you don't count like the seven mixtapes I did, how long were you in jail?

Every time was a different amount of time, from fourteen to twenty four, probably seven and a half to eight years. Shit, So just kind of in and out. Do a year, come home for six months, do a year, come home for four months, dude, drug shit, everything from you know, I don't I'm not proud of any of it. It's public information, so well it's a good thing, you know. Yeah, But everything from gun charges, the drugs to a robbery case. Do you remember, like what, because you know you know

people like this. I know people like this that have potential, that are talented, but for whatever reason, they just get stuck in that back into jail. It the revolving door of the judicial system. Like what was the breaking point for you where you were like, Nah, this is enough, I gotta get my shit on track. It's so cool talking to you because we know each other so personally,

you know. But it was my daughter Bailey was born in two thousand and eight, so one of those times where I was out of jail, I had gotten a young woman pregnant, okay, and then Bailey was born while I was in jail. And then the old Southern Baptist term that was my Damascus Road experience where Saul turned to Paul. I'll never forget. I was in like the gang unit, like the like worst dorm you could be in in jail at the time because I was just running the poker table and gambling and not you know,

I was just fucking doing time. And the day they knocked on my door and told me Bailey was born, I signed up to go to the education unit try to get my ged I don't know what, just like I scrambled out of nowhere. I was just like, I got to figure this shit out right now. And I ended up having to do like another year. But whenever I came home, you know, that was it. We started

off to the races. Yo. Uh you're like, uh, you know, I feel like the Rock taps in with a lot of artists that I happened to know, but he really fucks with you. It's my dude, Rock has been fucking with you like for like five six years now. It's crazy, like he posts your ship all the time, all the time. He is just he's a Nashville dude at heart. Low key.

He's like he traveled so much as a child that he has a lot of places he's really connected with, and by luck of the Beast, Nashville is one of them. So he really kind of connects to our scene and culture. Like he gets guys like me. And he told me early, he was like, yo, I know guys like you from Nashville. So man, you had this talk early, like Nashville was kind of famous for that white boy trap rap shit. Yeah, it was like yourself was Haystack from for sure, Nashville boy,

he was ahead of us. Haystack kind of led the charge on that, and there was so many you know, we had a band before Haystack called rud Awaken and Chris Taylor, which is like an uncle or cousin of ours, me and my brother, and it's like little whites from Nashville, little whites from Memphis, down the street Tennessee. It's all that kind of you know. So he was like, I

get the culture of the city. He was like, people won't get it at first, but trust me, it'll it'll work, yeah, because there was like this like Nashville white boy, dope boy shit going on that I like you said, it was very like you had to be from there to really understand like what kind of dude you were at the time, for sure, which is why we popped in Florida,

because Florida and so many white boys like that. So it's like when you went to Saint Pete, you were just like it was a town full of them, you know, for Largo and all that stuff. The old gasoline alley bar we played down there back in the day. The thug crackers, crackers, you know what I'm saying. You remember this. So it was like CASKI. There was so many kids that was that that culture came to, like Florida and Georgia, the South, especially just immediately in the midwest Indiana. Ohio, dude,

it was like first market ever for us. It's like second home for me. Still. Ohio is like a it's a weird place, man, because because it's like in the middle of the country, it's like not quite like the South, but it feels very like it kind of feels like a country place sort of. Yeah. Well, you know it is when you you go thirty miles outside of any of the major metropolis and Ohio and you might as

well be in Mississippi. It's that fast. I mean, you're in Cincinnati and then you blink your eye and you're in fucking South Mississippi. That's crazy. You're like, what the fuck just happened. It's insane, But it's brand it's own culture up there in Sound too. Yeah, for sure. Ohio. Shout out to Doobie, shout out to Immediate Him and Highlight have pioneered an entire culture out of Columbia. I met Doobie for the first time when he was running

around on the road with you. Yeah, in St. Pete, Florida. That's another thing that came up in an interview of yours, where I was like, I'm fucking old. I mean, you know you ain't that old. God if you fucking make me feel it when you interview these young dudes, you're like, yo, I met you ten years ago with Jelly, I'm like, fuck, I'm old. Well, you know what's great is you're now

making country music. Which country and rock music. I feel like it doesn't matter how old you are, it's definitely timeless. I swear rap music. I feel like, you know, you're gonna always have a niche audience. But hip hop is all about well, what's new, What's next? You know? I was telling somebody what I'm anxious to see is the I watched the Mount Westmore Tour come to Nashville and sell out the Bridgetone Arena thirteen thousand, seven hundred tickets yep.

And then I watched the Legends of the Street tour come to Nashville, Jeezy coucy Tz sell out, Boozy sell out thirteen thousand, seven hundred tickets. It's the first time in life that we're seeing hip hop translate generationally right, and like oldiest hip hop for sure, because like back in the day, that's what they say. This will never make it to arenas. Nobody will care to see this

show in twenty years, and people are seeing it. I want to see in twenty years from now, if Little Dirk and Little Baby and the Baby can go sell fifteen thousand tickets in every America, Right, it's going to

be fun to watch. Dude. It's like a stud into the game because hip hop is so young when you think about it, not even from the kids doing it, Like just to think that Ice Cuban them was our first reference point of watching hip hop grow with people to the point that I just watch thirteen thousand white kids. It's like we in their fucking forties. Those guys are like are they're the first generation of hip hop guys to be fifty? Yeah you know what I mean. It's crazy, right, Yeah.

I didn't think about it until I was there and I was like, this is nuts. Yeah, Like, dude, I was born when Nwa was getting active. I was born in eighty seven, yeah for sure, so a little bit before. But I was born a little bit before, a little bit, just a little bit much, not much an hair. What's been like, you know, since you've kind of been on this run in the last couple of years, what has

been the coolest thing that you've got to experience? Because you've showed out some big shows you've been a part of, like some crazy you've just been I mean you're about to do Jimmy Kimel tomorrow, you know, Like, what's been some something that's where you just kind of had to pinch yourself one of those moments we're like, damn, this is pretty fucking cool. Uh. The first time that when we got invited to the Grand Old was just the

history of the Grand Old Opry. And I'm letting somebody that represents our community and our kind and our culture, you know, because like, regardless of how much I messed the music together, I'm a hip hop kid and I always will be. I'm a student of the game. I love hip hop and I was the first rapper to play the Grand Old Opry even though I sung it's like still there's a thing there, the first local rapper because Nashal's had a lot of big talent come out

to sell out the Rhymen Court. For me, yeah, we are like thirty five no bullshit tickets away from selling out Red Rocks in October. So that's a that's Denver. Yeah, you gotta come out October twenty third. It's gonna be nuts. You're headlining, that's gonna be crazy. It almost sold out and we're playing. You know, we're headlining my arena in Nashville. Did you've seen this? Put You've seen it? Yeah, this is crazy, So we're gonna headline. That's another one that

was they're all wild moments. Yeah, I saw that big show you did last year in Dallas and crazy insane. No, for sure. We just sold seven thousand tickets at a hockey arena sold out in Kalamazoo the day of the on sale being Struggles just played it the other day. It was fucking nuts. I just did twenty thousand people at tailgates and Tall Boys co headlining with Riley just every everything about it's just like, what in the fuck is happening? What are the things that you're noticing being

in the country industry now? Because it is You've lived in Nashville, so I'm sure it's not. It's never been too far away, but it's a different game. Like I feel like country is one of the I know people who do country radio and they get treated like fucking royalty by the artists and by by like the labels. It's crazy. Well, you know, people still buy CDs. People don't realize country is still the only CD is getting sold at Walmart a country CDs. What I love about

country music is is it's very tribal. There's a lot of people who find music through country radio and through the just country music. It's like there's still a country music fan that exists. It's like just a fan of country music. So if they know that you do country music, you're gonna at least get a chance or give you a chance. They're like, oh fuck, I love country music. You make country music. Play me something where it's like in hip hop, it's like everybody raps. This is true, everybody.

Everybody raps. Trust me. I just left an Empire Brunch shout out to Empire bro. I couldn't walk two feet with someone stopping me and just no, for sure, it's just like I get on the pod, hey yo, what's up yo yo? And you're just like, no, it's a lot everybody raps. So it's like when you tell it dude, Hey man, I rap, let me play you something. Instead of them being like I'd like to listen to go I rap too, and you're just like there that went. You know. But you don't meet a lot of country

artists Nashville. You throw a rock and hit one, but it's like there's a core country music fan. And I've always been a country music fan just because you grow up in Nashville. You can't help but to be there's no way that yeah, I mean country. I feel like obviously I'm a big hip hop dude, but like, just like with any genre of music, I like, right, you know what I mean? You know. Highlights said it to

me best when this shit started working for me. He said, I'm watching you finally do what I watched you do in the car for ten years. He's like, and it's so gratifying because we would get in the car and go on these long road trips and I would just torture them with George Strait records and Billy Currington songs and I'm like, Blair, like I'm doing sound check singing Darius Rucker every day, you know. And the Highlight was like, it's so cool, like everybody who really knows what kind

of music I listened to. Thought it was super dope to finally see me, you know, like, okay, this is like you know, you doing what we see you do in the car anyways, Like we watch you smoke weed and sing Alan Jackson, So this is cool. Are you gonna get into some fucking movies or something? Man, I just talked to a guy. I got something of them a sleeve dude, or like TV or you should host a fucking I don't know. I just feel like you just gotta be on the on the screen. I feel

like it did. I feel like this handsome face deserves a chance. No. I think we're gonna do something. I gotta you know. I'm really inspired by what MGK is doing right now. Oh yeah, he did his own movie. He's just doing his own movies. They're fucking INCREDIB for sure. Shout out to my what a genius, great guy. Man plug us in if you can. I'm surprised you never met her. You know what's crazy. I know what's crazy.

I talked to MGK the other day and I was like, I I should have asked him now, I should be like, yo, just throw me in a mid in the text, just randomly. I just love to reach out. I just I'm such a fan of his spirit and his music, his writing ability, you know, just the way he's a great creative. It's a great creative man. That's another thing, like think about the rock shit. It's crazy like all these artists like MGK obviously very incredible rapper. God damn, he's a fucking

dingle blown arena tour right now. It's wild. Man. He's he's on the phone drunk, facetiming the other night and he was like, you know, he was talking about my daughter had got me a little billboard for Father's Day, which was so cool. Oh I saw that. Yeah, it was the sweetest thing ever. And it's just a dad and him that identified that, you know. And I'm like, he's like, you, motherfucker, how you get up with a billboard. I'm like, you got a fucking helicopter in an arena

every night that carries you across fourteen thousand people. Fuck my billboard. So you're tripping. That dude is on top of the world right now, you know. And he's still the same kid from Cleveland that we all talked to when he was you know, doing what was a thousand words and running or whatever. He's still the same kid pushing the Lace Up mixtape when you talk to him.

How diverse is like? Cause, like when you have a show now and you're selling thirteen thousand tickets or seven thousand tickets here right, Like how much of the crowd is like og Jelly fans and how much just found you recently? It's a good split. You know. The cool thing about catalogs are and I always hear Russ talk about this and I understand it now, is that you can only build a true core base with a catalog. Right.

Sometimes guys will have songs that will get really hot and the song will blow up, there's no catalog to back it. So you have people that want to be a fan of you, but they don't have enough catalog to be a fan of yours. Got you, you know, because like they might go to the one song and be like, I like this, but what else is there?

And the dudes got two EPs out right, you know where It's like guys like myself have Yeah, if someone if someone hears your song on the radio and they go to your Spotify page, they might just dive into you just get God Willing, you get lost in the jelly row rabbit hole. Yeah, just give me a chance, give me a three song chance. And if I can get you with those three I think I can suck you in them. I've played save Me for hundreds of people. Oh yes, that's my of my favorite songs for sure.

It's like I told you what I first. I was like, brother, No, it's it's it's a It's like one of those records that I can listen to it. I don't listen like I don't ride around bumping your own ship. Yeah, but not if I'm in the car and the perfect man, I'm like, yo, let's let that motherfucker ring like that you know that slaps? Are you guys gonna rework it? We got a plan. I have a vision. I had a dream, and like a real dream to put like God Willing. I just want to put like a dell

on it. And I'm just speaking that into existence and it sounds really wild. But could you imagine Adele coming in with what the nuts got? Was me saying that mom, you know, fucking Adele. It's like somebody who feels that kind of pain. Yeah, because I feel like that's a record that like, obviously it's been out a couple of years, but if you worked it to radio now or whatever, right, being a layup. I know this sounds weird, but for me,

music helps people. Yeah, right? Is that my people? Yes? Definitely? It didn't pick up Boston. Yeah, you're good too good? The mic sift super okay cool. I'm like, only my people would come in and start shooting dice in there or something like that, like this is our moment. I want to play Soilo. To me, it's like music helps people, and it's not even about the monetary value of the song. For me, it's about how can I get it in front of more people? Because I know how many people

it's helped, you know what I mean. I know how many people have came to me through addictions, struggles, losing family members, mental health, just drunk nights of sadness that are like save Me was the song for me. It's like, how can you get a song that helps so many people in front of more people? It's kind of my goal. So it's like I want to do whatever I can to get in front of the world, and a lot of your music has those kind of messages. I guess you know what I'm saying. It's not like I mean,

your music is very personal to you. Yeah, it's very cathartic. It's therapeutics. I always wanted to make music with a I'm very intentional in my songwriting. Now that you're popping on is like the label trying to put you in with writers? Are you just straight handling everything obviously, or on the other side, you're in Nashville, now you're kind of known as a guy. Now are you helping other people with writing? I'm doing some of that. Yeah, I'm

doing some of that. And and the cool thing is as a fan of writers like Kel's and mod getting in a room together, I have got in a room with some people that I wanted to get in a room of course, you know that. I was like, Yo, I love the way this collaborates. Yeah, Like I would be honored to write a song with that dude. So hip hop has trained us to be like in your own little bubble, write your own shit, you know what

I mean. And it's like where every other genre is way more open to being like it's not even about somebody else helping write your lyrics. It's about sometimes I'll go help another dude, write right, and just me being in their helps whenever he's just like am I tripping? Or is this fucking dope? And just me being like that's dope. Sometimes yeah, Sometimes it's like if you're in there with someone you respect and they give you some affirmation that you period. Yeah, or sometimes I just put

people back on the right path. Like you'll have a dude noodling and catch something and then get away. You know how you knew you've been in a studio some dudes is in her humming and noodling and he cat When you said noodling, I'm thinking jumping into a lake and catching cat. Yo. We can go with Hannah Baron any day you want to go. She invited me and the wife out. Have you seen Hannah Baron? No, but I've seen people noodle on YouTube. Dude, have you ever

hear the wife? Yes? Fuck yeah, explain absolutely minutes. So what is this noodling thing? Oh, it's real. So catfish are and I'm gonna butcher it, Hannah, don't judgement, but catfish normally are in like holes, right, shallower holes, and what you do is you kind of fish into the hole and the catfish by instinct will bite and then you pull the catfish out but bite your hand. Yeah, right,

does it hurt? Well, I mean it's not. It's not comfortable, but it's not like you know, it's not a bear coodl right, it's like but yeah, So if you look at people that get big fucking fish, they'll have scars on their arms and it. So you've actually done this. I've actually reached one out of the water. You've you've caught a catfish with your bare hands, bare hands, brought it out and felt like fucking thor held it up over my head like hear ye, hear ye, people of Whoville,

I'm the fucking dude. Do I have to bash it in the head to kill it? No? No, it's just like any other fish. You hold it out of water long enough, give it a slow torture it. We're putting out of your misery. And now Peter cancels me. Yeah, so do you cook the fish? Yeah? I love catfish? Oh man, Oh, it's I don't not that I'm weird about stuff, but I would if I'm either playing catch and release or I'm trying something nice, and that's my role, and catfish is one of my favorite things to eat,

so noodling. I've watched a lot of that on YouTube. What was the name of that one redneck kid who was rolling around yellow for a while, Cambo Camo. I used to love seeing his Instagram page because he would have the most as well. He had like a pet possum running around on his shoulder. And you gotta follow Hannah bar and I'm gonna send her your page now. It is Cambo on steroids. She's catching airl from like South Alabama that pulls out catfish the size of you.

She's like fucking five to like one ten. She's pulling out fists that are bigger than her. It's fucking wild. They're good money in that, you think I do? I know her YouTube channel crushes. I mean that's that's there's great money. Yeah, I've been getting stuck in. I've been watching van life YouTube videos. Oh I can't get off of that. That and puppies for all my TikTok is van life and tiny homes. Yeah. I hadn't gotten into the tiny homes, but the van life ship will warp me.

The Van Life shit. It makes me like sometimes fantasize about having no kids and being single, right, Oh, watch out and just being on an island. I'm gonna go live in my van, save up all this money pissing the park. Oh, you're in a slippery slog, my friend. You should somebody should reel you away from this fast. That's where it starts going south. He starts selling mushrooms and me and my wife like, we'll go to the dollar store sometimes and I'll just be looking at like

the groceries. I'd be like, man, I tell my wife. I'm like, man, if I was single, I fuck that blooney up for a dollar? Do you want to be single? I'm like no. I was just thinking in my head if I was like single with the one bedroom apartment, like this is where i'd be at if I was in the van that I really want to be in the sides with you, that boney with a bucket, with a bucket to shit in. What you say, puppies and you and van puppies. I just love, I don't know,

make me happy. What about TV? What are you streaming lately on TV? Oh, dude, I've been in the middle of all kind of good ship. Have you seen the offer yet? I've heard about it. The Godfather it's some paramount. It's fucking I couldn't quit watching it. I watched The Lincoln Lawyer. Have you seen the Boys? Uh uh? Amazon's Fire. I watch it though, you know what, I just caught up on and I know I'm late to the party. And I heard it's an unpopular show out this way,

but winning time. Oh, I heard it's great. It was fire. People love it. It was what about you're like Yellowstone? Oh yeah, yellow Stones? Great to get it sucked me in the Yellowstone. What's the best you gotta get? Like a fucking cameo? I know, I just want to be like one of the yeah or the bunk house or a bar. To go to the bar and there's just some dude that's it. Whoops, everybody, He's unfucking defeated Yellowstone.

I couldn't. At first, I was against it. I was protesting it silently because I felt like it was too dialogue driven. And my wife's like, trust me to love it. I was like, I don't need to get into a show that's like just a bunch of talking. And then half the episode in I was like fucking up for a day. I didn't do any I canceled sessions. I watched every season I could catch up on like three days. That shit actually had me like looking up flights to

go to Houston Rodeo. You should come to the Frontier Days in Wyoming. I'm playing a rodeo. Me Co Wetzel and Nelly are playing one night, Shyanne. Frontier Days is like a really really big deal. It's like one of the biggest rodeos on earth, like one of the oldest ones ever. Wow. Yes, okay, Wyoming. Yeah, he's got his ranch out. Come on, dude, have you heard you can still make Chyenne Baby? It's an old old dors train

z home. Talk about just like in your opinion, man, when you have a level of success that you're kind of experiencing, does it feel like it or because sometimes we don't realize that we're living in the moment we're living in until it's like two or three years later, and they'll be like, damn, like, are you enjoying the moment? Are you like really like appreciating just everything going on right now? Oh, more than I've ever appreciated anything. I am so conscious of where I am in my life.

I'll give you an example. The other day when we had those three string of shows. We had three shows in a row. They're all just like killer shows. I literally just handed my phone to my dude on the beginning of the weekend and said, hey, man, just hand it to me, and my wife calls Wow. I didn't touch my phone for seventy two hours less. He was bringing it to me, going, your wife's on the phone and your daughter's on the phone. That's fire. I just want to be there, you know what I'm saying. Like,

I want to be in every moment I can. I want to feel everything. I want to talk to everybody at this arena. I want to have every conversation. You know, I walk the building. I have a thing where I walk the whole building before the show. I walk it after the show, you know what I mean. Like, I just want to know. I want to feel how it feels before and after. Because one, it's wild. Yeah, I mean I think when we start selling those that amount

of tickets, that those capacities. When you've been doing like this, you've been on the fucking road. Oh yeah, doing any size venue you can think of. Oh for sure, me take that in man, me Doobie before Doobie, even me and highlight and God rest is soul. Big Mic literally lived in a van with Scary Larry and Casey in a band, a van like a ninety six. You've seen that van. Yeah, you've seen the old white van. We call it Bertha. For five years on the run, two

hundred some days a year. When I met my wife, I didn't have a house. Wow. I met my wife in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, and I did not have an apartment. I was living in the van. I was home so little that when I was home I would say I would crash couches and fucking drive to the next city a couple of days early and crash in the van, or get hotels like I didn't even there was no point in even having a you know, we

did that for so long. Two hundred cap rooms, three hundred cap rooms, thousand cap rooms, four hundred cap rooms, one hundred and fifty cap rooms. I've opened up for metal bands. I've opened up for ICP multiple times, twisted multiple times. The grind of this ship, God, I'm glad we're talking about this. The grind of this ship is what people miss the most, right is the years and you do me and you talk about it all the

time privately. How proud I am of you that, Like we were the same two dudes in Tampa that were trying to figure it out. And the next thing I know, you're fucking in La right, You're fucking meet the love of your life. You're fucking fucking running the ranks up again, your fucking biggest market in America. You're figuring the shit out. It's like, that's our dude. Like that's how we've always

identified you, Like that's our fucking guy. That's our dude, that's figuring that shit out, you know what I mean. It's like when a country does a security for Juicy and when we pull up here, it's like a bootleg cab bootlet kid. Yeah, Juicy Love Bootleg Cat. I'm like, everybody fucking you know, everybody's on this podcast. I was like, I've been harassing keV to get on this podcast, you

know what I mean. But it's one of those things where they don't the grinds of years and years and years of eating shit sandwiches to finally get a fucking Philly cheese steak. What do you think it was for you? Because you obviously got new management. But I feel like you've done something that is very hard to do. And when you come up on the underground tip like you do, and you gain a lot of fan bases from a lot of different artists. Like you said, you open up

for ICP, Twisted all that. You obviously heavily affiliated with Strange Music. They distributed at least one of your projects distributed to Travis. You went on a whole tour attack. I went out with Yellow Wolf twice. Yeah, it's like you have all kind of all these fans, and you know they come from all different walks of life, but there is like a stigma that comes with a lot of those fan bases. And even when we think of the white rapper thing, right, it feels like the the

underground white rapper thing. It's like a hard mold to get out of and I feel like you've busted through it, just like you're just jelly rolling. And I focused on making music that was real, not music that was cool, because there was moments like when I'm playing you Sunday morning, you get it, But it wasn't cool. It was the opposite and it was working. Yeah. It also it wasn't what you're known for. What you were putting out at all.

It's like I just focused on the music that felt real, Like to this day, it's like I know that I'm I'm not going to connect with some of the people because it's not trendy, it's not cool, it's just not the texture of sound they're looking for. But strip it down, it's real. It might not be real to you, and it might not be what you're looking for, but this is I feel authentic in everything I do. I'm not

chasing cool, I'm not overthinking visuals. I'm not trying to package something in a way that's just like, I'm just putting out music that feels right to where I'm at in that moment of my life. Dude, I'm sitting here, you know, talk about my age all day, but I'm a thirty seven year old man. I'm on the verge of being thirty eight. I have a fourteen year old daughter that'll be fifteen and six months the fucking high schooler crazy like six Inevitably, I was going to start

making a different kind of music, right the same fucking guy. Yeah, I'm not even close. So it's like I just whatever felt real to where I am in my life at that moment and to the people, I know who I'm writing songs for. I'm still writing songs for my mother, Wow right. I'm still writing songs for that woman who's struggling with addiction, struggling financially, fucking pain in her eyes, trying to figure out how to take care of her kids.

I'm still writing songs for that woman. And I'm still writing songs for that dude in that trailer park or that apartment or that fucking rundown house or middle class neighborhood that's busting his ass and working his ass off and trying to figure life out. I'm still writing songs for that dude that's fucking selling weed on the side because his job's not paying enough to take care of

his family. I'm still writing songs for that dude on that back road in that little country fucking town and that pickup truck that he busted his ass to get that smokes a joint every day the moment he gets off work. I know who the fuck I'm writing songs for, right. You know, I'm not trying to write a song for fucking the kids that went to Rolling Loud this year. You know what I'm saying and I'm very honest about that. Ye yeah, it's fair, of course not. Yeah. So it's

like knowing that was my my busting point. I tell people all the time, you can't. I'll see a Jelly Roll fan before he sees me every time, and I'm fucking fat with tattoos on my face. I stand the fuck out, and I'll still watch that guy walk into a grocery store and go, that's my guy. For sure, that's my guy. I'll catch that guy in a minute. I'll tell my wife that's why, that's our guy right there. Two hours later. Holy fuck, Jelly dude, I fucking love

your shit. I'm like, thanks, man, I knew it. Yeah. And every now and then I walk by dude that I thinks my guy and he's not, and I'll introduce myself. Hey man, I know this sounds weird, dude, but dude, I just feel like I fucking speak for you. I know I don't know you from the mom I'm not trying to stereotype you in here, Hosse, but fucking I make fucking kind of rock and roll, fucking southern rap, country music and scent, and I just think you fuck

with it. That's so crazy. Hey, let's take a quick piss break because I'm about to piss on Myselfhe yes, Can I get a water in the piss break? Or is this a waterless facility? We're gonna go get you a water, yo, I'll get you. Uh. It's crazy how they did the media base and the platinum record of one. Yeah, I'll put it right here, Sin it's on camera. Yeah, I'll get you one of those for uh oh yeah, for fucking dead Man walking, because we got the radio

thing for it too. I just got we crack. We cracked the top twenty five this week on Country Wow twenty four as of today moved two slots again. Are you finding that country is a little harder. It's way harder, charts a lot harder. It's fucking It's harder than any other genre on Earth. It's also got the biggest audience besides pop back as I say, but your reach is way more and pop has only got a bigger audience

by like it's closed, cav I can imagine. It's kind of blew my mind to be if you think about like how big the middle of the country is compared to the metropolis parts. It's like, right, most of this is for sure. I had perspective. The other day. We were leaving Nashville and I was driving the Tailgates and Tall Boys the first vessel, and it was like two hours, like I think I was two and a half hours outside of Nashville and I was still picking up the

Nashville Country radio station. Wow. Like literally I was in Kentucky and I was clearly picking up one O three to three Yo. What happened. One of my favorite things that happened during the pandemic was you and Andrew Schulch song. Dude. It was so funny, the video was so good. It was my favorite thing that happened. Fucking covid anthem. It was the covid anthem. Dude. I tell people me and Andrew Shouls are responsible for the country opening back up.

I don't care what nobody's that. It was so it was so and you know what, his whole team is just fucking awesome. You talk about a dude who gets it. He's if rappers would take one twentieth of his approach to the business. He's kind of doing the rust thing very just do it yourself side, put it out as much as you can. Overload the content constantly drops, But my favorite thing about what he does is how he presents it. He's not afraid to spend the dollar for

the good look. This is inside baseball. But when I watch him played la here, right, he rints the old six four. Yep, he shoots the footage of him pulling up to the theater with it bouncing little things that are just like you thought about. You know. It's like when we came down here to do the Kimmel thing and they sent us over the production stuff, my first question was, cool, can I build a set? Right? You know?

It's like I know they're not paying, and I know that at that point I've got to pay to build the set and break the set down. But it's like, can I build a set? You know what I mean? Like, I want to make sure that what we do. I mean, look, that's that's a look that you might get once in

your lifetime ever. I mean hopefully it's one of many of those looks, but you just never know, right, So it's like, yeah, you know that's going to reach millions of people, like Teddy Swims and Megan Train are just built a garden on Kimmel or I just saw it Swims. I love Teddy Swims so much, and he's it was so good to just like to see him, like go from just do an amazing did you go to to get this? It's next door? Oh dude, I'm so sorry. I would have never asked you to go buy me

a water. And Teddy Swims got so talented. He's also just like us, covering all kinds of l R and B shit like Mario, let me love you And I don't care how much of a singer I think I am. I hear him singing I want to quit. Do you guys link up at all? Oh? Yeah, we talked in Nashville all the time. We went and got drunk at the Rhyme a few weeks ago. He's a Nashville guy. Yep,

he lives there now now she's a Georgia kid. Yeah, Nashville's like, uh, if you're in for people who don't know obviously music city, but like if you're in the country music industry, like you have to be there almost you have to. You can't make it anywhere else if you want to be a part of the pop country scene. Now, Texas has its own country scene in general, just like it had its own rap scene. It's no different. Texas

is like that for all music. But yeah, if you want to be a part of but even the Texas people got to move to Nashville, right if they want to go big, Yeah, they want to go bigger than Texas. When did you help Andrew write his portion of that record? Yeah, well it was a collaborative, right, but souls, she's very clever, so I'm not sure he like, I'm sure he hasne He had all the line. We just had to keep them in rhythm. The best part was when he was like,

all right, I want to sing it. I was like, what, That's not what I seen coming. You know you got shot that video of Florida, right, Yeah, we went down to Florida when they were doing this flagrant in Miami thing. Oh we had a blast. When I got pissed drunk, we had a fucking ball. Dude, you obviously I see you pop up on a lot of podcasts, like a shout out to theovonn shot out to Brandon Shop and those guys. Would you ever have your own podcast? Is that something that you even think you have time to

even dabble in? I've been talking to a company about it, and I'd like to I love podcasting. One, I just love the idea of conversation, but two, I just love the idea of just being goofy. So I love doing like THEO and Shop and which I think I would do The King and the Sting again this week. And I think I'm gonna do The Fighter and the Kid with Shopping Calling this week. And this is my big one and I hope it works out. But as of right now, it's on the books for me to do

the Bird Cast. Oh I love Burt. Yeah, I'm so excited. I'm such a Burt fan. So if I get to actually do Chrisier, I'm gonna lose my ship. They're supposed to be making a movie based on the Machine than for sure. Literally he went out there and shot it already.

He's so funny. He's so fucking funny. You know. It's funny because when I first saw his ship and I saw he did a stand up with no shirt on, I was like, asked some gimmicky shit, and I actually watched it, I was like, Oh, this guy's fucking got Well. The best part is then you watch him and that's just who he is. Yeah, for sure. You know he's got the most like hilariously painful laugh. Oh yeah, sure.

When he laughs, it's like no, for sure, it's like it's like painful, like bro, it's like some of it. Are you okay? He's gonna stroke out? He had super red faced. Yes, what's something that you learned? You had a great pandemic. I had a great pandemic in terms of just where we were before we started to where we are now. What is something that you took away from, you know, the goofy era of our country or the world rather the world. Yeah, content is king guys like

shouls watching how they released. Content is also recession proof. It's pandemic proof, for sure. It's in fact it's needed more in those moments. Yeah, people were running out of ship to watch, Oh for sure, ran through a I watched there. Oh yeah, no, for I went back and rewatched prison Break. I was just at the crib of just losing my ship. Yeah, I was fucking awesome. My first came. It's like every other thing. The first season

got weird. Yeah, it got weird. Season three they all do season into a prison break, We're so good, insane, and then season three they end up in jail again in Colombia. How many times can you end up in fucking jail? Yeah, Jesus, y'all milk the drug utter dry Sun one and two spitting dust so good. They gotta quit fucking legacies up. Another show that was like that, Oh, Dexter got weird after season four, The New Dexter was. What do you think about the New Dexter? All right,

I appreciate it. I liked it because I hated the way Dexter ended. Yeah, it was so so I was kind of glad that they kind of brought it back full circle. Did you ever see Dynasty or whatever it's called. That might have been what it was called. It was a show about a family who had a big dynasty, and it's like, it was awesome. I gotta look it up. Me and my wife watching it was so good. And

like season three it turned into a fucking musical. Literally, it's bitches turned this fucking showed that was like savage, gangster, cutthroat business ship and it was a fucking musical. And I was like, y'all fucking blew it. I think five is the sweet spot. If you really got you gotta end it at five For sure, all the best shows. The Wire was five seasons, Breaking Bad was five seasons, Ozark four but two parts, right, yeah, because I think after you it was Sons of Anarchy too many? Was

it like seven? It was like seven or eight? But it was great. It's still it's still I loved it, you know, the way we knew it would. But I just Sons of Anarchy with Peg Bunny stabs of Dax's fucking uh fucking wife in the head, his baby mom. Oh my god, she was a you watch Mayans. No. I got a couple of friends who play on it that are awesome, Joseph and to Mmmm, yeah, I'm fucking with Yellowstone. There's a new show with Jeff Bridge is

called The Old Man that's crazy. Three episodes in. Is it already all out or coming out once a week? Kol calling when it's finished. It's been fucking myself getting into those things, and I'm on the road, so I always miss when it comes out. Dude, Like The Boys, Season three starts with this fucking superhuman dude. Like there's

like people in the show with powers. It's about essentially, it's like, uh, if superheroes were real, they'd be like corrupt, they'd have drug problems, they'd be fucking bitches, they'd be like taking advantage of people. Like so it's like that angle the superhero thing, and like the Captain America of the show, like the face, like the biggest superhero in the tree is like a fucking sociopast, serial killer, fucking rapist, maniac, and everyone's scared of him because he's got Like what's

this show. It's called The Boys, It's on Amazon Prime. It's amazing. But season three starts. There's this like dude who's kind of like ant man, right, So he's fucking some gay club and he takes his dude into the room and it looks like he's about to get fucked in the ass, and uh, the dude. So the dude, the dude bends over and it's like jump in. So the superhero guy goes super tiny, like small enough, and he dives in the tip of this guy's dick, no

fucking way. So he's inside of the guy's dick and he's like tickling the sides and when he sneezes, he gets big again. So he sneezes inside the guy's dick and explodes. The dude all over the fun. Oh my god, it's crazy, and then watching it and then what you're doing with your life. Guy kicks in the door right finds him the guy. He puts the little midget motherfucker into a bag of cocaine and shakes it up, and

he dies of an overdose. Oh my god. Besides dying of an overdose, it's kind of a dream scenario for me. I wish I could just go swim around the bag of cocaine. I might do that tonight. To be honest, it's where's a bag of coat? It might be the way I get over this hangover from plane drinking this morning. Is cocaine a nice even if you have a hangover? Would you say it? Well, it's more of a if

I'm really drunk thing. You know. Cocaine's weird now because the day of doing it with strangers in the bathroom is over, because you might have You just can't trust the drugs anymore. We're having to run around with drug testing kids, like sucking a police officer. You know what I'm saying. We're like testing fucking with testing strips. Yeah, because he might die. Yeah, it's fucking fucked up, dude.

Guy what. It's so cool when you can just bump into a stone cold stranger at a bar and he's like, want to hit a bumper? Like fuck yeah. He was like the Mountain. He would just be in there pulling little mountains of coke on the end of a key or a fucking car. You didn't know this, dude. You were just like, thank you, Mountain Ferry, I'll take another little heel and you're just hitting them with them, and y'all are fucking party in the bathroom. You don't fucking

know each other. And then you leave, You're like, I did did some killer blow with that dude in the bathroom. Dude, fucking awesome. He was ranking them out sign And now you're dude to the bathroom, like you want to hit some blow, And I'm like, I want to see you do a whole eight ball first, first show me that you can do it. Yeah, And how long have you been doing this blow? You might have already got accustomed to the amount of fit and all in it, and

I might not be. You know a lot of people that are dealing with that shit, like the overdose shit, because I know what's happening a lot like everywhere, man We had a really bad few years in Nashville, especially with old friends from the neighborhood that kind of went from pills to shooting shit and just you know, that whole culture is just out here. They're like, uh, I watched way too much random shit on YouTube. But there's this guy named Dark White Underbelly. You watch the shit.

Uh huh. So he interviews like prostitutes and like careers and all kinds of great shit. But dude, in La like in fucking uh, where's the homeless? People ask Roll, They're all like they don't want I was just gonna say, where are they not? No, no, they don't want normal drugs Like there they specifically are smoking fentanyl, like they're like proof, They're like fentanyl proof. But I think it's like everything else, like once your body has felt it and gets it in certain amounts, you can. But I

think it's just I don't get it at all. I don't understand. So it's definitely put a damper on my cocaine heard. I'm in the prime of my career. I should be out here living like fucking Jerry Buss in the seventies, fucking eighties. I should be out here just fucking me and my wife should just be out here fucking bitches and fucking doing just fucking just piles of cocaine every night and drinking Scotch for breakfast. And instead we're having to run around like she's probably got an

STD and that cocaine's probably got fen all in it. Jesus, ye, just wrong. Wrong. That makes me think about this. Have you ever thought about what the backstage you look like at a concert in the seventies and eighties? Oh? Yeah, man, it was amazing, dude. There was not a camera in sight. Yeah. I just imagine topless women running around and passing out Heroin kids, heroin kits, fucking dig peels right, just like Yo, here's a blue shoe and a fucking shot of heroin, right,

and they're just running around. Everybody's just origining. Go to blue shoo dot com promo code bootleg and get your first month. There you go, baby, go to the blue shoe dot com and look at see I'll run your promos for you. Got a ad read, I'll do it with you right now. The blue shoes work, They do work. I know. Souls convinced me to have Yeah, I took a blue shoe. Wake up in the morning, that dick hard. The wind blows and it's like, hello, you have that

piston boner in the morning. Yeah, And I just I need all the help I can get in that department. Hey man, as belly goes out, it goes in. It's like a turtle just receiding. It's just get the it's a It's fucking bad, dude. It's disappearing and smelling bad. I'm fucking for sure. It's so bad. It's just it's fucking horrible. Maybe that's why we're not having orgies backstage and doing cocaine too. Eternal don't come out much. When he does, he smells like a swamp. I can't believe

my wife loves me. I'm fucking I'm such a disappointment. Yeah. I thought about this eighties thing the other day because we were at a festival and I'm backstage and I looked around and there was like a dude from another rock band complaining about having a peanut allergy and asking where the vegan options were and if there was any peanuts in the room at all, And I'm like, fucking Vince Neil would be sickened by you. It's like fucking

you know what, some where crazy. I talked to Chad from Nickelback, and he's actually one of the cool ones. I think Nickelback gets a bad rap. They're kind of like the go to band to be like they're they're gay. Listen, but if you don't think, but no one's gayer than Creed. Creed is the real Nickelback. I tell you, I tell you what I can say this. I don't have a Creed song. I bumped very often at all, but I

can tell you that rock stars still fucks. Oh yeah, and Nickelback might make the best white strip club music ever. You go into a white strip club and a chick that's the size of the rail of that light over there is just slow thrusting. That's like a fucking go to at the white strip club. Say it's worth saving. She's saving up to go to gatherings. She's just slow thrusting. Yes, yes, oh godh by the way, you have you done the gathering of the juggle? I've done it nine times. I

have tripped acid all nine times. I was there the year they threw ship at Tila Tequila. Oh, I was there. It was awesome. It was so incredible. It was the greatest moment ever. She got on stage and they started booing her, and then she just like leaned into it and like pulls her top off and starts shaking her titties, and like she thought, like Juggalos would be like, Oh, well, no,

we're gonna cheer for that. These are jugglos, bitch. Everybody out here shaking their titties and fucking smells like my pecker. It's you know what I'm saying, Not because I'm a Juggalo at heart, not because Juggalos think, but because they've been camping for five days in the woods in fucking eighties and ninety eight degree weather and doing drugs right, and you're shaking your tits and they just start throwing

just bottles of shit and pists ad her. I'd like to point out I haven't met many Juggalos that I've came away from being around and said they smell nice. Yeah, well, listen, I've got some of the best drugs and weed on Earth. I can tell you this. If I have a car, Oh sorry about that, let's pop it right on. I've been fucking with this to the point I was trying trying to break it, f take it off. Yeah no, I want to plug the cash. You know I might have did it though there look at me. Fucking let's

go son. If I break down on the side of the road and I see a car pull up with that hatchet man, oh you're good. Thank you. The most genuine people. That's why I said I'll always be a Juggleo at heart. Those people are the best people on earth. And you want to get good acid, you call a fucking juggalo. If you don't call a dude, that's a fucking dead head. If you got to either have a teddy bear tattooed on you or a hatchet man tattooed on you to give me any psychedelic except for you.

G it's literally it's so funny. There's like teachers now with like hatchetman tattoos and ship Oh yeah for sure that we're just tripping balls watching tea tequila, get big old jango pants, fucking great Malnko jerseys. Yeah, oh yeah, just fucking do you remember those Jinko's, Yeah, you had, but you never had a pair of. My cousin was a big juggle I'm guilty. I had you remember, like

the bottom of them. How like crusty they'd get because they dragged your shreg Oh my god, I love crusty stuff though, you probably, but you could put a whole two liter in the pocket. Yeah, oh you could put anything. Listen, yo yo, this is the vantage of being fat. I had this pocket right here in my dimm jackets. I can put a bottle of tequilan, smuggle it anywhere. Wow, true story. I am always I normally have a bottle

of tequila on me. When you were at the liquor store earlier, I thought that's what you were getting, so I didn't bring any No, I had to get water. Oh is there was there a drug bridge at the gathering in the it was the bridge ever so there's like so at the gathering of the Juggalos. I don't know if it still is the case I gotta take, but there's a supposed to be like a free drug bridge or some shit, right, And I heard there's like a fuck hut. Dude, it's a community fucking I wonder

what that smells like in there though. The hut. Well, I have a reference point. But did you ever fucking the fuck hut at the gathering? I'd never fucked in the fuck hut at the gathering. I fucked at the gathering. At the gathering. Fucks it is awesome. It will change listen. So they used to have it cave in Rock, Illinois. The only way to get there was during the day

by faery. You had to take a ferry, or you had to drive like four hours around the other way to get there, or you could take a ferry over There was a private property, so they could do anything anything. It was a complete fucking chaos. It was absolute lawlessness. You know what. The same thing of the gathering is mud parks. I play mud parks all the time. These festivals, these off road ATV parks, they're the gathering for country people. They go out there and camp for four days and

fucking it's lawless. They do drugs, they fuck, They fucking drink themselves to sleep, they catch it on fire, and they ride fucking four wheelers. It is heaven on earth. It is the best experience I've ever Every time I play one, I pull up early, I have somebody bringing four wheelers out. We tear shit up. It is a blast. The gathering is the exact same way. It's just like it's like everybody's there for the music and piece. You don't hear people arguing juggal thing if it's like a

family oriented fan base, right, Yeah, for sure. No, that's their whole thing is family. It's a dude, I'll take you to one. They're a ball. I tried to play this one this year, but I had a scheduling. I've been doing a few shows where they shoot they go into the crowd. Yeah, yeah, that's like the show. They do it the last night too, But they did. They did a tour Tech nine, cotton Mouth, Kings and Bone Thus that was one of the biggest tours ever own

things in harmony. Yes, what a fucking saw them had a crazy name to it. They did masa Amphitheater, which is like six thousand people sold out and never fucking launching two leaders into the sky of fego. How hard it was to sell hard tickets back then. You couldn't like you had to advertise like traditional ways true, Like I remember I used to always get I used to always just pick up a New Times, which is like a free newspaper in Arizona, and you just go in

there and see what shows. That's the only way I knew which shows were coming. Now it's like the internet I played. Yellow Wolf has a fucking one of my favorite gathering stories ever. They shot a bottle rocket while he was performing m and he goes at this moment, fucking true yellow Wolf fast and he goes, which they wasn't shooting it, like to be mean, It's just a gathering, right, They're just fucking shooting fireworks. And he goes, I bet you can't hit me with a bottle rocket, dude. Hundreds

of juggalos just start shooting bottle rockets. Yellow Wolf He's up there like dude, He's slipping them like Tyson in eighty four. He's moving boom there, whizzing find he goes, Hahi by the fuckers, and he's rapping while doing it. It was like one of the dopest things I've ever seen. Have you heard Yellowolf's rock album? I love it. It is so fucking good. Yes to make Me make Me a Believer thing. It's crazy. The video is crazy. Oh, I got the radio record everything I think I told him.

I was like, this feels like it just feels like big. It feels arena rocky, old school arena rock. Yeah, it feels like I told him this the other day. It was like, I feel like you should be opening up for like fucking Motley Crew or fucking like the Rolling Stones. Like this ship sounds like you should be opening for the Rolling Stones. It's like big ship, big fun. It's

so fucking good. And I thought that was dope fro him to do that, to get that loose with that right after coming off you know, the Male Zero project and the Caskie Ship. Yeah, shout out to a shooter Jennings. Ye. Sometimes why that is struggles, brother struggles, uncle struggles, Okay, struggles, uncle shooters what we called him. Were you in struggle do another joint? We're doing another one now you are. Well, we're putting those out until we're fucking like Grumpy Old

Men or the Grumpy Old Men movies. That'll be me in struggle putting out projects when we're seventy. I remember the Yeah, the Grumpy Old Men was I remember that. What was the guy's name? He one had white hair and one had that big fu Yeah, I forgot the names of it. But it's like, well, that'll be me in struggle. We'll be like putting out project. Yeah. He makes me feel really fat every time I see him on Instagram. Listen you want to fuck you imagine how

he looks like a fucking action figure. Yeah, he's fucking yeah, No, I hate him. I'm like, bro, yeah, no, I've seen him. He's just walking around with his shirt off, fucking doing. He looks like he's a professional cage fighter. He does. What the fuck is happening with you? Yeah? And I couldn't be doing more of the opposite. I'm just like fucking eating sandwiches and drinking myself into a coma every night and fucking waking up with a hangover and having

to eat my way through it the next day. I'm saying or blowing fucking cocaine boogers out. I'm having like the total opposite moment of my life and struggles having Right now. I just rewatched the first episode of uh fucking Snowfalls. You see Snowfall? Oh? Yes, you know, like that first episode the FBI agent. I think it blows cocaine up his ass and he dies, or the other way. No, No, he blows cocaine up her ass and she dies and then he has to clean up the body. I say

out to say, have you ever snored? A cocaine off of a woman's asshole. Yes, how was that incredible? I think I did my wife. To be honest with me and my wife. First, me and my wife sober now, but when we first got together, I was the doll one. Yeah, shout out to my wife. Man, she's she is the sober one. And but she was like a fucking mad

woman when I first got with her. You know, I think the first five times I've seen her, I just I just asked her for a bump in a xanax bar like in past, and I was like, you got a bump? She's like yep, And she'd feed me a fucking just big old fucking hogger. And then I'd be like, later that night i bump into her again at some bar or some casino, I'd be like, you got a xanax. She's like yep. She'd like she was like a past

dispenser of drugs. That's fucking great. Yeah. Literally, she was just like the fucking she was the mountain ferry in the bathroom, right, she was back to you know, she was just running around just feeding it did too much cocaine. It's hard to fuck on that, right. Oh well, fuck I mean, we've already discussed my struggles. I would need

a blue shoe times two in a miracle. It's fucking is it harder to fuck when you're at the size you are in terms of just like the geometry of the situation, like playing fucking uh twister, left foot on yellow, right hand on red, Move this here, set this on your back, was saying turn this one. I mean, I feel like you were. You did have an error though, where you lost a lot of weight. I did, Yeah did, Yeah I did, And believe it or not, let's be clear.

I'm I'm down like twenty five thirty pounds. I joked that great. I'm taking my health serious. I go see my cardiologist every three months. But you're trying to get losing the weight at a good rate. I don't want to lose it too fast because of the heart. When people are like, I don't want to see nothing bad happen to you, Like, look, I used to do cocaine and sip lean, y'all, I'm gonna be okay. Don't worry about me. I'm I'm all right. I'm being facetious more

often than not. But yeah, it's like, fuck, I lose the weight again. Pandemic Just fucking did it to me, you know, just fucking me too. I never had to sit still. I lost like forty pounds. Oh u, I gained forty pounds. You know what's crazy? You were like me though. I never had to sit Yeah, it was like the first time from years of touring that God was just like, no, you're gonna just sit here. You had to cancel some shows too. Oh fuck a whole

Tech nine tour. That's right, fifty seven cities or something happened. It's the best tour that never took off. Wow, I forgot that heartbreak and now we have a gold record together that we've never even performed, Creature's Gold. Yeah, jeez, it's fucking nuts. I forgot and then he had to redo it. But with Ritz yep, Shout out to Ritz, Shout out to Ritz. Still fucking out there, slugging, still out there, is going to rits Man. I can tell

you this. Ain't nobody out rapping rits I don't disagree. Mean, he knows this, how he knows how I feel about him. No, ain't nobody out rapping rits Man. You know when when he's in his bag, ain't nobody fucking with that dude. Man, I just hope one day Ritz can have an honest bio book because he has some of the craziest stories that he can never tell on camera. Oh it's fucking it's a wild boy. That No, that dude's fucking nuts. I'm a little crazy. He's a lunatic. Yeah, he's a

fucking lunatic. Yeah, he's crazy. Cool watching that whole scene and everybody grow the way they have for sure, for sure leaving like a guy like Caski. You know, look, he records here, he just did this album here. Yeah, love what he's doing. You know y'all talked about on the podcast. Obviously we all got in a weird spot because CASKI ended up like dissing some other dudes that

we associate with in the circuit. And it's like, I'm glad, I'm glad that somehow paralleled into this, because you know what hurts me about that whole situation is watching a bunch of really good dudes that don't know each other have a problem with each other and me knowing every one of them personally and being like, y'all are all really good dudes. Though. Look, if you guys ever actually hung out. Yeah, Like if you knew Adam Calhoun's heart, and that dude is a fucking sweetheart. Man, He's a

good fucking father. He's a dedicated you know, he's just like a good dude. That's fair, you know what I'm saying. Like it's like if you knew that about him, Like how much he just celebrates other people winning and how much he's one of the first text I get every time I do something cool, you him, And there's a group of people that every time something even looks cool, he's one of the first texts. Like such a sweetheart, CASKI I've watched since he was a kid, like that.

He's a great dude, Like Cask's not a bad Yeah, I don't know what the root of their issue is. I think that you know what I think, man, this is what I truly think. I think that during the pandemic and I'm I'm like a really independently thinking guy. I kind of consider myself like more in like the Joe Rogan lane of politics, socially liberal. I want to

I want to protect my family. I want to be able to, you know, obviously within reason, have access to weapons, and you know, I do feel like eighteen year old kids who just graduated high school shouldn't be able to go by two ar fifteen's without taking a class or something. I'm not saying take the guns, just like you know, maybe go through a course before you get something like that. But I do think that like a guy like al Adam Alhoun, who I didn't know anything about except for

when CASKI because I'm closed with CASKI. And then the first thing I just see is all this politics, shiit this, you know, the mag of shit. And to me, I'm like, all right, well, anybody who rides out it'd be like if there was a Joe bid like a rapper riding for Joe Biden, I'd be like crazy, right, And so you know, and that's why, like I like, when I saw that, I was just like, yeah, dude, like I don't I don't get that ship. And and to me, like, at the end of the day, people make music for

all types of audiences. And you know, I think a guy like Struggle is like a perfect example of somebody who may feel however he feels, but he's just making music and he's not like making it in a divisive way that makes fans feel that they have to shoot, Like if does that make sense? What I'm saying, Like that makes more sense than anything. And I live in the complete opposite world of everybody. I don't have an opinion about this shit at all. Like I hate our government.

I hated our government with every president we've had since I was like fourteen, because they charged me as an adult for a crime I committed when I was fucking fifteen years old. They took every right I have away from him. Because of that, I am personally protesting our government I have been forever. It's like, I don't give a fuck. I think it's all a divide and conquer thing. I think a two party system is just meant for failure, right, So I don't get him wrapped of it, none of

that shit. But my thing is too, is that this is I tell you this story, and this is what changed my perspective. My brother's here, he knows this to be true. My father was I don't think I've ever said this publicly. My father was a progressive man. He probably leaned a little liberal in his older age, right. My uncle was a progressive man that leaned a little

conservative in his own older age. They grew up together three years apart, best fucking friends from birth seventy in their seventies, my father was more of a Methodist Church kind of man, which is a kind of a portion of a Catholic thing, not a portion, but it rides that fensive kind of direct to the scripture, real, stand up, pray, simple. You know. My uncle at the time especially was more of a Pentecostal guy, which is more of you know,

you know, there's a big difference. Right. One day, when my dad was dying, I said, how have you and uncle? You have been best friends for all these years, and y'all don't agree about anything. My father set me straight. He said, what are you talking? We don't agree about anything. He said, we slightly disagree about two things. We agree

about a thousand things. He's like, I don't understand why the world wants to talk about the two things they don't agree about instead of the thousand things we can make progress with that we do agree with. Right, And that just changed the way I look at life. You know what I'm saying. It's like immediately I look past it, So I guess it's like even with the ship, I don't think I'm old school enough to think that. You know, I don't know what I think about politics being the music. Right,

it's been around as long as we've been around. YEAHBLIC pests, public Enemy is making protest music, raige against the machine. It's been happening, so, you know, it's funny. I was thinking about it, Like when Adam and them first started rapping. I would look at that like, oh, dude, these dudes are like, this isn't protest music. They're green with the government. And then there's a regime switch in America, right, the part of the political parties changes and suddenly it's like, oh,

well that's protest music now. And that just showed me how unstable the foundation of America is in itself. Yeah, I mean, I guess with that dude, you know, I don't know much about his whole catalog. I guess I've just seen a few these guys some stuff that's really dope. But then I've seen like there's but then there's other guys like you know, I'll see like a the dude from Florida, what's that dude's name, the MAGA rapper dude Blood. Yeah, now that to me, to me, that ship is just corny.

It's corny to me because I know what he was doing before he was doing he was doing the blue hair fucking bootleg riff raff ship I lived, was doing like the the white Rick Ross thing, right. Yeah, it was like his angle, And to me it's like low hanging fruit and it's like the artist the artistic integrity is like, Yo, you're kind of like putting all your eggs in this basket, but that basket has a ceiling

that's this high for sure. I guess when you've been making shitty rap music for as long as that guy has any fandom, you're gonna be like, well, I'm making money over here, so I'm gonna lean into this ship. But to me, it's just like divisive. But I do think, like I said, like, you know, it's important like for me if I if I don't agree with somebody on certain ship like I have. I have people in my life who will cut people off based on like their

opinion on one or two things. And to me, that's never like uh productive, No, it's like and that I guess that that goes back to my thing with him was like I know Adam outside of the music. I know cast outside of the music. I know, everybody was politically charged in that moment except for Jolly Roll because

fuck our government forever. But it's one of those things where like, I know these dudes to be good dudes, so you look when that happens, and you're like, I wish I could get y'all together to just like talk like responsible dudes and like, you know what I mean, like y'all have so much, like y'all would actually have a have a hilarious conversation. Tom McDonald's the same way. You know. Yeah, yeah, he's from Canada, but he's fucking

you know, I don't. I don't like again like I did, because he's independent and I I I'm also kind of like I like when you know, he does a lot of the YouTube rap shit, like you know, And I watched a vlog he did about uh him and that dude's album being fucked on Billboard, and I watched that because I was actually interested in that because I'm like, yo, as an independent artist, that's crazy what that dude's doing.

I might not fuck with his music, right, but it's insane the business he's built, right, and it's like just him and his girl. Yeah, for sure, No, that's the shit I can look past and I'm like, yo, this is this respectable like, you know, like I might not agree with, like I might not be a fan of like his shit, like it's just not for me, but I can at least appreciate it. Independent artists doing that kind of shit. That shit's crazy. He's got a record he put out called Scars. It's like a rock kind

of driven record. That's fucking incredible songwriting. And that's kind of where I live with everybody, right, Like I'm just always looking for I don't know, I guess I'm a songwriter, so I'm kind of overarm and all that other shit anyway, So I'm like, does he have a song I thought was written really well? And Adam's got a few cask He's got a lot yellow Holfs, got more than probably anybody.

Struggles got to tell him. These are dudes that I'm just like rits that I can just look at and be like, Yo, I don't you know, I don't give a fuck if you were the biggest Biden support on Earth. This song fucks you know what I'm saying, Like this, I'll tell you this much. It's like listen r Kelly's a piece of shit. I love his music. You're not gonna get me to quit listening to I wish. You just can't do that to me, dude, I'm sorry, cancel me.

Fuck it. How about this somebody from the artist? Somebody cover it then, But don't take a song that I played at funerals away from me, because this man's just comeback. Somebody cover it, Like, don't tell me something about Michael Jackson and the Human Nature is one of my favorite songs ever. You know, somebody cover it. If there's a better version out there, I'll bump it, you know what I'm saying, that's for sure. But it's like, man, that fucking so dude, I've cried dozens of tears that I

wish it's a great record. I love our I mean. R. Kelly is probably my favorite R and B singer ever, outside of him being a piece of shit strictly discography twelve play. You know, if I didn't know his name, or know that he pissed on Little Girls or watch the fucking wild R. Kelly series, that was fucking nuts. Oh my god. If I didn't know that it was just the voice of the radar, I'd be like, Yo, this fucking slaps Yeah, it's it's it's crazy. How do

you like? Do you do you even participate? We're talking about the politics. Should you vote? Do you like? Are you able to? Because A yeah, man, fuck our government. You know who? You know who I want to vote for? Who gives me the right to vote? You show me this guy. I rally behind him tomorrow. I don't care what party he's a part of. The Dude who's like yo, Because listen, I'm fighting to get into Canada. Fighting tough, dude, I'm New Zealand. There's a ton of places that you

just can't go to that you're like life changing. Money is sitting. Get done to get into Canada, Dude, I've got to get a minister's permit. I've got to get a lawyer. It's gonna cost one hundred thousand dollars to even see if it can happen. I'm gonna have to just throw one hundred thousand dollars into a wishing well. I just had to pay like thirty thousand dollars to get a passport just to be able to leave America.

I just had to go clean up so much shit just to be able to leave America for my criminal records. Like and I love when somebody for sure will comment on this. Buildings can vote, buildings can do this, And they're going to put up a bunch of links that I've already went to and tried to figure out. Tennessee has a zero forgiveness policy for violent offenders. Unfortunately, I

was fifteen years old. I'm not proud of it. I committed a violent offense that they deemed hard enough for me to be charged as an adult three years before I mean a year and a half before I fucking grew up sack of hair on my sack. I was charged as an adult three years before I was allowed to buy a pack of cigarettes five years according to the age thing now, which I just found out yesterday, you have to be twenty one to buy cigarettes. Now, that's how much I don't give a fuck about policies

and politics. I missed that completely, but three years for ultimately, what I'm getting at here is because of something I did when I was a child, the government has taken away tons of rights for mine. The right to vote, getting home on their insurance was next to impossible, renting houses, renting the buildings to work out of studios. There's so many things associated with if you're NFL. It's like when people they always say, like you almost have to lie on a job out of you have to for sure.

So it's like, I go through all these struggles and then you want me to talk about like you should speak up about politics. You don't want to hear my randmotherfucker fuck our government. It fucked me, fucked me, fucked me. I think we're just like in a place where the far the far right and the far left are controlling

the narrative and dividing the country. That a country that most people agree on more shit than they don't, for sure, but the extreme opposite of each side is so fucking crazy, and it's like, are we in the fucking episode of the part's the hardest thing to watch. It goes back to just divide and concer. It's all divisive, all divisive, man, Any any system is that way. It's just it's it's made to eat us from the end side out. And that's just I feel like it's getting worse. Yeah, it's

only gonna get worse. And I'll start speaking more publicly about how I feel about politics when I fucking they start making ship right by us. And that's just how I feel. I feel like everybody's I'm just I gonna know I'm better. Holy Graduate, Florida. If you're a felon, you can vote, Yeah, I mean you can in Tennessee if you have a forge a forgivable felone. Yeah. It's like I have to get a governor's pardon, which I'm working on. I'm talking to building. You're kind of you know,

you're you're a big guy now. Yeah, And it's like I work in good circles. We have a Democratic mayor in Nashville. We're friends, we get along well. I have a Republican governor. We're friends and we get along with I do a lot for the community. I'm always trying to push the ball for it. I'm big. I'm donating one hundred percent of the money from the Bridgetonne Arena show to at risk youth. I'm building a music center inside of the Juvenile Downtown Wow and we're putting together

with the Youth Impact Rears out to Robert Sherrill. We're building aftercare program that kids will be cornered ported to if they get charged as juveniles. I'm fixing to put my money in my mouth. There's gonna be a lot much. I'm gonna make a big difference. You're selling out your hometown and then putting that money right back in that big and I'm matching it on top of the top of it. That's crazy. I'll tell you what the number is off camera. That's a lot, man, I mean, I'm

sure it's a lot. It's a lot. Sounds like about a quarter. It's you're warm, but not hots you that much. I mean it's it's a lot of money. That's beautiful, man. Yeah, what is that? Because that's what I'm passionate about. Right. So when people are like, what do you think about, you know, whatever's happening in the world today, I'm like, I don't know, man. I'm just trying to figure out a way that i can help some fourteen year old kid not throw his life away at fourteen, not make

the same mistakes I did. Yeah, dude, they wouldn't let me in the community college because of my felonies. What I had, a community college that couldn't get me the money because of my felonies. You know you're talking about, dude. I was fucking fifteen, man, I mean, thank god it worked out the way it worked out for me. But yeah, dude, I could have been a fucking doctor or something. I don't know. Guy's the limit. The way I'm driving, I

could have been a brainshurting. I'm helping more people doing music, so you think you can that felony at that age put you on a path for sure. And my big problem with this is you're not talking about a decision that like adult makes adults make, right. We're not talking about like the revolving door of a grown man who needs to change his life, like you're talking about a kid. Like these kids don't know any better. They're just products

of their environment. They're just trying to figure out what's next for them. It's fucking fucked up. They don't get that there's another opportunity. I didn't realize. There's no way. I was in my mid twenties before I realized how much I fucked up at fifteen? Does that make sense? Like before my brain could actually go, oh my god, I like, really fucking what if you don't mind sharing

what happened? It was a robbery case. It was a robbery case, and uh, we were just kids, you know, The saddest part is we were robbing a guy for weed, but one of the other guys in there wasn't a weed dealer and had some money and a watch or something. We were like, we were just fucking neighborhood kids. Man, we're doing doesn't make it right. I'm embarrassed by it. I never talk about it. The first podcast ever said

what the charge was. I'm extremely embarrassed by this. Right, I'm nowhere near that man now, but thirty seven year old man twenty fucking one years later, twenty two years later, I had to explain that to my home insurance, my homeowner insurance people that tried to charge me more for being at risk. Wow, you know what I mean when you're just like, are you fucking you know? I had a moment the other day where my child's mother, Bailey.

Bailey's mother's Felicia, and she's sober now. She was hooked on heroin for a while. I'm proud of she's sober, and me and the wife do everything we can't help her. Custody of your daughter, we still do full custody, Yes, I still do. Me and my wife. My wife made all that happen. Bunny and her really close, Bunny and Felicia, Bailey's mother, And she calls us and goes, hey, I'm trying to move closer to Bailey. I'm a felon. Can you get us a place? Can I put a place

in your name? And I don't think twice. I'm like, yeah, for sure, I got you, dude, I got whatever. You know, I'll go fuck send an application. I feel that out right now. I forgot I'm a felon, so it fucking fires back on me. And then she can't get there. Now we're doubled down in fuck, so we gotta find a new place and put it in Bunny's name, you know what I mean. It's like I've been I haven't been on the lease of any house that I didn't

own ever. You know what's crazy is when me and my wife first moved to Cali, I had a misdemeanor and she had some duy shit right, And you would have thought that we were murderers the way people were like denying our fucking are our shit? Like it was like what the fuck? Yeah, No, for sure, it's crazy. No, it's fucking our system is fucked in so many ways. Yeah, and I feel like if you're a felon, it's almost

like having a like the scarlet letter in society. Right, It's like, dude, like you really really almost as like impossible for you to really have like a normal fucking life. You really need help from other people to like get shipped or to like appreciate someone to take a chance, give you an opportunit unity getting good jobs. Do you know what's crazy is that I couldn't be in the medical field if I wanted to. There's like four or

five industries that just wept. Even if you get the job and maybe you want to be a supervisor manager, you can't. No, there's a wall. Even if there's jobs that'll let you get there, it's like, no, we just move because they look at you. You're a felon. No, it's fucking It's as wrong as it can be. It's sad. Yeah, I think that's some broken ship man. Yeah, Like there's

like no forgiveness, like no societal forgiveness. I get it if you like fucking you know, are a fucking creep or you did some but like I say it all the time, I think fucking pedophile should be shot on National TV every Friday for our enjoyment. It's a great I think they should tell us a story. They should show us the family's pain. They should show us the weirdo and we should get to watch them be headed

that we should have it. We should. They should sell it like pay per views and then give that money to the family. Watch every Friday. I'd pay every Friday. They get twenty bucks out of me every Friday to watch them. They had a pedophile, right, you know what I'm saying. If it went like you know, I trust me, I'm not like I'm not you know, I'm just on the justice reform as far as like the decision there of course, especially if you do some stupid shit as

a kid, for sure. Yeah, it's like, come on, dude, if you stay, I think if you give me an opportunity, opportunity to restitute it out, Like let me go give these dudes whatever they think they lost times fifty and then square it up with these dudes that were we robbed twenty two years ago, and then let me, you know, like make me. I don't care if I have to work for it, just give me a fucking option. Like

just don't say no, man, it's hard state policy. You get zero forgiveness for that, or like if you're out of the system long enough, like it doesn't show up, or I don't know for sure something where Yeah, it's just whatever, So what is next? Obviously, Jimmy Kimmel is a big deal. I'm sure you're excited for that, But what about just in terms of I know you for a while, where are you technically independent? Are you still situation?

So I have a deal with Broken Bowl Records, which is BMG, which I looked up that Dicky Black and thought about that, and uh, it's it is a deal. But I did maintain ownership of my master's which is huge. It's a big deal. It's the deal is incredible and the deal is so incredible that I'm not allowed to talk about it. But the deal is incredible. It's awesome. It's a great deal. I'm happy, and I don't know a lot of people in record deals that are happy.

Most people aren't. Yeah, And I've been completely independent my whole career, so I know the other side of that happiness, and I'm happier now. You know. They've they've they've done everything they said they were going to do times too. I think they're worth every penny we pay them. You know, I'm I just I am in love with this deal. And is there going to be a big are you going to be announcement tour anytime? Now? You know, we're to know I'm shining down later this year. I got

a bunch of Brandley Gilbert dates. We're like on the road NonStop still, and I know you're doing a lot of shows in Florida Thursday and Friday of this week. I'll literally fly straight from you know Burke Price's podcast to go do a show is the plan. Yeah, I'm gonna do over one hundred shows this year. I'm gonna announce a big next year. It will be a big, proper tour for me though. It'll be like your headlining,

your big headlining. I mean, obviously you've had a bunch of headlining tours, but this would be like the headlining tour. Yeah for sure. Because what is like if you were to get booked, like what do you what do you say? Is like your average cap like it for a solo jelly roll show? If someone books you five to twelve thousand, now fucking crazy man. Yeah for sure, few markets we might still play thirty five and fours, but that's so big.

I suspect that if we don't play the UH. I suspect that we'll either play the Honda Center when we come back, or we'll play the Palladium two nights in a row. That's my guess. That's my guess. Now that's fire. It's my guess. That's my it's my hope. God willing we go straight to the Hollywood Bowl or something next summer. How's La as a market for you. I'm anxious to see, because La is an interesting I don't come out here enough, but I do know that, like northern California, Cali Country

is a big market for me, that's for sure. We're doing Aftershock this year in Sacramento, oh shit, the Rock Festival, so that'll be huge. Hopefully that'll bring some ass. I just don't come out here enough. Yeah, you don't, man, it's been a while. It's rough, man. It's a big travel dude. It is a hike. Yeah, it's a big tras five hours for yeah, about four hours and forty five minutes in the air. It was rough. Your first class, yeah, yeah,

I gotta get that first class. Yeah. I mean I'm too fat to sit anywhere else on that bland today that much? Did they charge you twice if I had to get two seats? If I do it any other way? Oh, really, I don't have to, but I do just because I respect you know. I don't want nobody pushed up on me neither. Yeah, no matter what, you got a stranger cuddling on your left and r Yeah, it's like either way,

I want to be as comfortable as possible. I just don't like the concept of flying anyways, which is why I got just blackout drunk today doing it. It's just a weird fucking thing to me. The worst is when you eat inedible and a going on a flight thinking that it's going to like help you go to sleep. I'm playing the Hotness Center this year, by the way. You gotta come out, oh for men, shine down. Yeah, we're doing a big spot in San Diego to summer. I look at the dates, but we got a lot

of shit coming right around here. Have you ever had a we ate an edible on a plane and freak the fuck out. I have to eat an edible and freak the fuck out once a week moment. Planes not planes, just where I just overserve myself you know, I'm just saying where there is a thin line, because like even this, I can eat these, and if I eat too many, it'll get wild. But I know, you know, I can kind of like a little crazier than shrooms. If you eat too you eat too much, I'm it gets fucking weird.

It's all anxiety, and it almost like you can't do anything. No fuck no, like paralyz. Listen, man, it turns into a psychedelic spiritual experience fast. Did I eat some Rick Simpson oil pills the other day? Did we talk about it on the phone. This is a great story too. I come home really drunk and the wife's out of town, and I hop on the game I'm playing, like Call of Duty or something at like five in the morning, and I had a Rick Simpson oil peel like Rso

I take it. I don't think nothing of it. I'm so drunk I forgot I took it. So I look over and I take another one. Thirty minutes later, I'm so lit, I take a third one. I only know the number because I had four and I woke up with one. So this is me, assuming, this is me, like reverse engineering, how my night went south? Right? Right. At one point, my niece comes and wakes me up on the couch. I'm asleep with a controller in my hand. The sun is blaring through the house at seven forty

five in the morning. I'm shirtless, sockless, and in my boxers. Imagine that look. And she wakes me up and goes, hey, are you gonna go to bed? And I stumbled to the bed and I fall asleep sitting up in the bed watching Family Guy like Back to the Thing for ten hours. keV and I woke up with the worst anxiety I've ever woke up with. I felt like my body was vibrating. Everything about it was wrong. I took like the Adam Sandler longest pitchmer that Adam Sandler City

the world's longest. I mean, I pissed for like three minutes straight. It felt like I pissed for so long. I stopped and sat down. I was tired of standing up trying to piss. My body was vibrating. I had the worst anxiety of my life the entire next day. Yeah, eating wheat is I just had a bad experience about two weeks ago. Bro And I don't know if I could ever. I don't know man, my worst nights of my life have been too much edibles. Yeah, Like I could eat a lot of shrooms and like, I'll fucking

it'll be out there, but I'll ground myself. Yeah. Eating wheat is dangerous, man. And it's not even the same thing as smoking, it's not even close. It's you feel that stomach churn and you know you fucked up. Yeah, you feel it in your gut and you're like, oh no, this ain't it man, this is fixation. And you can also hallucinate. Yes, I've hallucinated. Yeah. I the worst time I've ever had. I ate a cake pop on my

way to yellowf and Ritz's show in Phoenix. And this was like twenty thirteen, twelve something like that, and uh, I was like new to eating weed, so I didn't know anything about it. So I was like, oh, it's a cake pop, so the whole thing, I guess. I was also a quarter of it. Oh yeah, it was like one hundred milligrams. I fucked up. How they do that to you? They give you two hundred milligrams and something this big and they're like, just eat a sweather out.

So I didn't. Yeah, So I didn't think much of it, you know. And I interviewed Ritz on the bus and they didn't hit me right. And then he was going to go on stage and I was in the crowd and it hit me like a ton of bricks at once, and I couldn't move my legs. I was stuck in a standing position, and I bro, I could have you ever been so high in a place with a bunch of people where you could look across the room full of thousands of people and hone in on someone's conversation, Yes,

from very far away. Yes. So I felt like fucking I had like superpowers. And then I look on stage and Rich is performing and Garfield the cat is the cartoons up there with like slot machine dollar signed eyes going and I was just like my boy g O was with me, and I was like, bro, do you see the cat on stage? And I couldn't move. I was stuck, and then I was puking everywhere. And then everything that could have happened what was the name of

a Wolf's uh fucking extremely aggressive road manager Brooklyn. So I'm like on the side of the stage, fucking tripping the fuck out all the random crazy shit that could happen in front of somebody who was tripping. Happened this dude, Brooklyn pulled some dude off from the crowd, drags into the side. He's two feet away from its beating the shit out of this fucking guy. And I'm just like, was crazy. Yeah, No, Brooklyn was fucking wild and he

didn't look like he was wild and wild boy. He was an aggressive, normal looking guy, Yes, sir, just fucking did not look like all the fucking time. Yeah, yeah, so what you gotta Obviously you got music out now, but what's like, what's coming the rest of the year. Oh, dude, speaking of Brooklyn side and I got Bobby straight Edge on tour. Me now shot to Bobby, good guy straight Edge out there. It's been awesome. His first weekend was last weekend. It was incredible. Yeah, he's good to have

the homie back because he just did the Tech Tour. Two. He's road managing one of our buses. Dude, I'm cooking. You know, I got a I got, you know, probably twenty thirty forty songs on my phone that I feel great about. I mean, you know, how typical songwriter. I got a hundred songs in my phone. But I'm sure the collaboration opportunities are getting bigger for you too, they are, And I'm really really kind of reaching out for what i want to do and I'm just taking. You know,

what I'm doing with this album, I've never done. I'm kettle cooking it. It's a low cook. First, dude's in the kettle pot. I'm not putting this one on a skillet at this one. And the smoker this ain't on the grill, you know what I mean. When I pulled this one, I was gonna fall off the b own baby, And that's my goal, you know what I mean. I'm gonna really I'm like obsessing about songs, like obsessing about them.

So has the the country industry is a very it feels like there's they're very like it's like this, right, yeah, have they embraced you so far? So good man? You know, it really helped me. Like it's some good old boys club type shit kind of there's some good old boy club shit there. There's some gatekeepers, but it's like, I think the country music has been missing what we bring

to it. And that's what I was telling the Struggle the other day because we're kind of working on a country record with him, Well, he's working on the country record. I'm trying to talk him and to put it out. But they haven't had the kind of like raw authenticity and outlaws shit that we bring the country music the

seventies seventies. They've had versions of it, like My Boy Brantley Gilbert that came in the early two thousands, you know, but it's like they haven't had it in so long and like really authentic, right, you know, like somebody who just doesn't give a fuck, you know. And it's like and they know I'm a good dude, like at heart, they know the story, you know, my parenting, my my relationships. People that have been around me forever know that I'm

not a bad human. But they also know that I'm a bit of a wild card and don't give a fuck, and they love they kind of love it. They love that there's gonna be a clip that's gonna come out of this podcast where I'm talking about my pecker smelling bad. Right, It's like you know what I mean, Like where traditionally it'd be like there'd be a publicist in a room in country interview, like what the fuck cut it right now?

I want to watch you delete that part where they just kind of know that I'm always going to be a little bit of a loose cannon. And that's credit to Jonathan Loba, the head of Broken Bowl Records, the president. You'll meet him this week, and I can't wait for you to meet him. But Loba's got my back. He's like, look, man,

we know we're not mistaken with who we signed. So every now and then somebody will kind of ruffle some feathers about something I say that's wild and Lobo will just be like, look, that's all guy, we knew, we know, we knew, we know, Ja, you're not a robot bro for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't start the interview with what I grew up in a town with three hundred

people right outside of you know. Yeah, I feel like the country ship this is so overly packaged, feels very like like like like everything is so on purpose and so like unorganic. It's like, well, there's a lot of

there's a lot of people. It's changing now because country music radio is getting bold and not afraid, which is awesome, but there was a long time where it was packaged, right like find a guy who has the right look, decent voice, hook him up with hit songwriter, hook him up with a hit producer, hook him up with stylists, dress him a certain way, give them media training, send him on a radio tour the Nashville version of K pop, right, and then you send him on a media tour and

then insert big record here. You know. So, I feel a lot of those country guys come and go yeah, yeah, one, one hundred percent, like well, it's also weird because country music is another genre like other genres, where you'll have a dude who will have three or four number one records that can't sell out the triba door and knows what the he looks like, clueless and Kate's literally put him on the radio like, Hey, your guy who sung you these five songs in the last two years. They

love you, They know who the fuck you are. That's the same shit with the rap shit. That's why I tell people, I'm like yo, Like, dude, just because you got hits don't mean people. What really tells you is how are your herd tickets? Can you make people care? Can you make people give a fuck about you enough to where they'll spend harder and money to come see perform your art and it's important that you take that money serious. Right, It's like, you know what I think

about before I do shows. I look at the line Every night a while, I go do a video, and I think about how much of a pain in the ass it is for me and my wife to have a date night. M M right, Like, how hard is it for you and your wife to have some all time? It is tough, right, it is tough, so busy, so much shit going on. So think about you went out of your way to make this night happen, Like this is your date night, this is your ship, Like you're here to have a great time, and I can't, baby,

this is it. This might be the highlight of the year. This might be the only time y'all got a babysitter in a hotel room, filled the car up, put on your best outfit. I imagine her ordering clothes. I imagine her standing in the mirror, curling her hair. I imagine him sitting on a couchul wish in that bitch with hurry. I imagine all these scenarios I've been in. You know, I think deliver I think about that. I literally like

obsess about that thought. I think about the dude who saved the money to get the ticket and then saved a little extra cash for some beer. And some merchant didn't tell his old girl, so she thinks they're on a strict budget. He walks in with a little little chunk on him. She don't know he's got baby, I've got a little extra bread. Let's check us out, grab your shirt, let's go get some. We're gonna drink all night. Fuck it now, we don't want the cheat beer. Get us,

get us a butt light. Approach it that way. They're entitled. Man, I just look at it like, man, that's corract because I know how much of a pain in that, and I'm financially stable, and I know how hard it is for me and my wife to just make a night. I can only imagine, you know, think about the man. You know how many this dude had to go argue with his He had to go bow and kiss the ring of his in law for a babysitter, you know

what I mean. He had to go sit down with the mother in law he hates and go, hey, I really really need to night. I've got a chance to go see this jelly roll guy a couple hours up the street. I got a hotel room, can you please? And the fucking mother in law's got a list of demands. He's got to cut her grass or some weird shit. You know what I'm saying. I know, I know what's happening. So I think about that ship before I do a

show every night. That shit's crazy. Most artist should have that approach, man, Yeah, I think about that in every aspect. All right, So Troubadour this week, Truba Door tomorrow, tomorrow, we're going all the time this comes out, the show would already. Yeah, there'll be clips out on your Instagram. Jimmy Kimmel, that's out. Go watch big tour, Big Tour putting out. I'll probably drop an album this year November. I'm guessing album November. Yeah, I'll be rapping on there.

I got a rap project i'm working on too. I'm gonna drop another rap project like strictly not like a better reminder roots. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Every now and then you did reestyle. I feel like it was it last year or two years. About a year ago, I was still doing it. I thought I was gonna spit here, but you never hit me. Don't don't tell me, you tweeted, me about spitting, because I'd have came ready to spit. I probably still spit. Really, hold on, let me just

show you what I tweeted you. Hold on jelly roll six one five, I said, hold on, where's it at? Someone tell jelly Roll have some bars from my show on his trip to La and June. Oh god, if i'd have seen that, I was I was joking with My wife asked me specifically. She was like, she was like, are you gonna go spit? I was like, oh my god, Papa, You're verified on here right, not on Twitter. I'm on we gotta figure that out on Instagram, I am. I don't know how to get verified on Twitter. I figured

it out. I feel like it just happens. We missed out on that one. I'm in town a couple of days. Well, listen, man, proud of you, buddy. What playing all right? Pull up a beat. I'm super proud of you though. I love you, man, Thanks for having I've been wanting to do this, I mean, the lot of you. Let me come in here and talk about ship I never talked about and uh, I'm just happy for you. Man. You're a great guy and I'm glad the whole world is finally catching on my g let's go bootleg camp, bitch,