#181 - Hit-Boy

So that's the first thing I thought. I was, Yeah, because I was like, yeah, I wonder when the Heart Part five came out, I was like, you know, all the people's faces he used. I wonder if like everyone had a heads up or just was on some real artists shit and just threw it out. Yeah, And it worked out because it was done with a great intention and great you know, great artistic executed perfectly. Man. What did you think of the Kendrick album Fire? Amazing? Yeah,

for sure? What is it like? What you know, you obviously worked with Kendrick in the past. You've worked with like who's who's that one artist that creative process. Who you've been in the studio with was like just different. That was like the most unique because you've been in

with everybody. I mean, it's like I can't say because everybody got their own unique you know ways about him, you know what I'm saying, Like working with somebody like Big Sean, like how he always just make sure he really dial in on every lyric, every line, Like he'll say some shit and I'm like, oh, that's it, it's fire. He'd be like, nah, I think I can come with something crazier. So just even watching artists just that that that helps me game perspective, helps me to want to

push further. You know what I'm saying. Have you taken any of the stuff you've seen on the producer side when you work with artists and applied it to your ship as a rapper, any of the creative stuff I'll be sitting next to na as well, you know what i mean. That's what I'm saying. Engineered most of the not songs. So I literally watched, you know, the way he's delivered in the lyrics, the way he's writing them, and it's like I have no choice but to be

leveling up every time we link up. So you'll applied some of that stuff to your own one million percent. I wouldn't. I'll be stupid not to. So Coursa is officially the YouTube premieres out Friday. I think there's it's gonna be on DSP, DSP's Thursday Night. It's on YouTube right now, It's on YouTube right now. DSPs this week going crazy. Man, we got the merch course of all that. Yeah, so give me cause obviously you and Dom half a mil you guys already have a great, a great legacy.

Is this going into the direction of another joint project or what is what's going on? Me and Dom we just always we got a crazy, just good friendship. Just firstly, so the music is just becoming, you know what I'm saying, And this was a joint we did and we both agree, like, bro, we got to drop this like it's shit different. What are we talking on the radio. I think he's trying to get out of that mask. Let's check it off

and he's trying to figure that out. You good, see through you good buddy, that's bouleg We're gonna get you some chips man. Yeah. So you and Dom, you just are I mean you guys are always working, always working, and of course it was just something we came up with and it just felt right, you know what I'm saying. We we took the song to New York. I went to Brooklyn and uh song went out to bed Sty and just played the joint like it wasn't even like no force ful, like we about to record, y'all. Let's

like I want you to dance to it. They just was dancing to that mother for You're Getting Sturdy. They was just doing it on their own. Yeah, it was fly. Yeah, you know, I sawry so they were doing the New York. I don't know what that dance. You know, what's that? What's that called that be doing? Getting sturdy? Getting start? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, the drill the drill wave in New York is crazy right now. So I see you have a surf club chain on For people who don't know that is kind

of the origins of everything. You kind of came into the game shout out to h the whole surf club ship, that whole movement was insane. Is this something you're gonna be resurrecting. I mean it never went away, like surf club that's just been at the core of everything I do. But you know I started because it went it went yeah to Surf Club to hsaighty seven, which is just like I feel like HS eighty seven is like my heart and soul of the music aspect of what I do.

Surf Club is just the overall lifestyle. That's how I live my life. Just so some wavy ship like we've been on that for years. So you know what I'm saying, we I mean Surf Club, I'm about to really be putting out you know, new music, new artists, my own music, just like really pushing the Surf Club through the Serf Club. So that is officially going to be like your label. Yeah, this gang though, like everybody that's from Surf Club, they could do what they do with the with the wave

because we all started it together. What uh would there be any of the old AGHA eighty seven guys you try to like I always think about k Roosevelt and do me now and how perfect of a song that was. And it's crazy because I feel like you were as as crazy as HS eighty seven was. Somehow just the

timing wasn't right. Yeah, I mean, well everything was changing with uh you know DSPs and you know, going over from people buying music to like completely streaming, and they were still trying to calculate how to do all that. So we got kind of caught up in the whirlwind

of that. And I feel like not having the right infrastructure, not having the right people on my team speaking for me while I'm making this music, because it's hard to make the music and have to think about the business, to have to think about all the other aspects of everything. And you had you had a pretty serious roster too, Like, uh, it wasn't like you just had a couple of artists. You had audio push camp money. I forget what was the young lady's name be mack be Mac the queen,

you know it was k Rose. I just like kind of just opened up, you know, the opportunities I had opened up my House of Hit era, the House of Hit area, just just like opening up the studio, opening up the opportunities for everybody to just come and do their thing. And it was a super like a real learning curve for me, just like on how to really move in the game. And now you kind of are probably able to take some of those lessons you learned and then apply him to the surf Club. How many

years later is this seven years? It was that twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, almost nine years, bro for real? Well, I mean we was going well, Granted All My Life was twenty fourteen. Yeah, so damn it. Eight that was eight years, eight years. I remember hearing Granted All my Life at least a year before it came out. Yeah, you used to pull up. Yeah that's crazy. And I remember when you told me that that was your dad rapping. I was like, wait a minute, free big hit too man

for your pops. Man. I remember that was the wildest shit because when he was like, hit boys my son, I was like, wait, wait, bue, yes my pops. Yeah, shout out to your dad man free him. Is there going to be uh? I just want to thank you because you are Obviously NAS has a lot to do with it, but just in terms of kind of I don't know what it is about your relationship with Nas, but it is inspired him to release a high quantity

of music over the last couple of years. The fact we got Magic just as like a bonus last year was fucking incredible. I think Magic low Key might be my favorite of the three albums. That's the funny thing. And that's what's motivational for me, and I would say him as well, is the fact that every time we drop a project, people are like, na, this one better than the last one. They've gotten better each time exactly.

So my thing is like, let's just keep leveling it up every time and kind of just competing with ourselves. We're not obviously nas is who he is, like he seemed he's cemented in this ship and you know, legend royalty all that, but it's like he just motivated to make the music and it's just strictly about that, and that's why it's just leveling up. How much of King's Disease three is has been worked on? Man, I can't say a percentage, man, But you guys, it's it's it's happening.

I mean, I mean, you know he said it, don't magic it. Yeah, I'm saying he said it. So it's

on the way. So it is on the way. It's the way nice is it when you guys get in for a new project, is it is there any sort of direction or is it just such an organic vibe that it's like whatever comes out comes out, you guys, guys, that's basically how it is like because we we just kept recording after KT two, and you know, it was a moment where it was like maybe this is KTI three and was like, nah, we got to just go with a completely new concept and he just was knocking

him out up until the point where it was like, nah, we got to drop some you know, two in one years. That shit's big, bro. And it's crazy too, because like, I know, you guys won uh you got something to say? Say? What up? He's like, I'm straight. I was gonna say, you guys obviously want to Grammy for Rap Album of the Year in twenty twenty one, right, twenty twenty Yeah, ship the whole last couple of years, everything is just stemic. Oh man, it's crazy. But I feel like King's Disease

two was the better album of oh what exactly. I mean that's how a lot of people. Yeah, I feel like Magic is better than the other two exactly. So it's like that's why you can't really call it man, Like you gotta just just keep it pushing after you know, the decision, even with my Producer of the Year award, I was gonna say, twenty twenty you got you got snubbed twenty twenty one, it came back around. You got

the nomination. That's the nomination you should have took. A lot of people have said that, but it is what it is. You got to keep pushing for that next year. Yeah, what who ended up winning the year you were nominated? Last year? Who won? What was his name be? Truth? Jack Antonov? Right? Yeah, I mean congrats to him for shure. I never met him or nothing, but but he ain't

on a hit boy run. To be honest, I feel like you and Alchemist Loki have had the craziest like underrated Well yours you're not as underrated, but I feel like you and now have really been like nah, and Alchemist is just pure just in terms of just putting out shit NonStop the last few years. It's just quality. Yeah, Like I mean he was like killing shit before I even ever made a beat of course. Yeah, that's what's just ill to just that's motivation for me. It's like, damn,

you could keep leveling it up. You can keep reaching new heights and just making the ship that you want to make. You know what, I love wash When you guys did your verses, you and boy wanted during the pandemic. It was one of the early ones. That was the first one after Swizz and Timberland. That's right. They didn't even set theirs up. They just got in the car board during the pandemic and start playing records. Right. What I'm saying, ours was, you know, set up. It was

people tuned in and tapped into that. It's crazy too, because it happened kind of like pre the Grammy pre I think King's Disease wasn't out yet right now. There was so much I was the super underdog, big time under the time. But I feel like during that verses you just had to kind of remind people like, Yo, that's why it was good. And that's what I loved about Versus in the early days is it was giving you know, you know, flowers to the people that don't

normally get you know, the flowers or whatever. So I feel like that that was the aspect that was so ill to me, and it felt really organic. There was something about it not being as produced when it was just like yo, we're going live and I'm in my spot,

you're in your spot. That it made it intense. I think it made it intense, and I just think it it introduced like a unpredictability that like once they got it like really together, it was like, yeah, it's like kind of watching the TV show now, Yeah for sure, for sure. Yeah, it's super produced in high level high There was something about like you known, my connection was good people trying to figure out the sound, like when Riza and Primo were trying to figure out like yo,

yo you no, no, try this, try this. It was just something about that that was like vintage verses, Like I didn't even know the last eight on MJG. Shit, I didn't even know that was going on when it was going on. I've seen people like yo, I didn't even know it was the verses happening right now. Yeah. I think the last verses that I was really honed in on was the Bone Thugs one with three six just because I'm a big Bone fan and I just wanted to see how that went and it was an

entertaining one because Busy Bone got extremely emotional. And last big one I remember it was the Gucci and Geezy one. That was probably the no. Was that was that before Jada kiss? You know what was that after? Before that was before so maybe ye jadakiss joint I was like the pinnacle. Yeah, I think the Kiss moment is like the greatest versus performance ever. I think Jada it was

the raws hip hop. It's the most raw shit because he won the verses by just being like, like that freestyle he did was like it was like dude, like that's just no no extras. It was the epitome of why we love hip hop music, Like how we grew up listening to this ship. It's like Kiss just went up there and put on a clinic like how to perform, how to just like fuck the hits. He had the hits, but like just yeah, try to do this. You guys are wrapping over your tracks over there. Shout out to

Kiss man. What I also love is how you've just been kind of bringing a lot of worlds together sonically, whether it's bringing Blast into the room with Nas or having Dom Kennedy on a record with Like, there's certain like collaborations that probably never would have happened. And from like somebody who loves West Coast hip hop and just loves hip hop in general, I'm like, that's that's the hip boy sauce. Like I'm not sure domin Knos would

have worked together had they not linked don Toliver. Yeah, like, I just I just think of it as music, you know what I'm saying. I'll really you know, categorize shit. I'm just like, if it can, if it can sound quality in my head, I know I can bring that out to speakers. Yeah, one hundred percent. Who are some of the younger artists right now? Because you do have your ear to the street, your studios kind of become

like a it's a special place. Man. Who are some of the younger artists right now that you're checking for that aren't on Surf Club? And then let's shout out the ones who maybe may or may not be on Surf Club. Yo? What man, we gotta stop the interview real quick to tell you about our good folks at

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I actually found a yeah deep in the I Yeah, my homeboy Price from Audio Push actually killing it put me on his music, you know what I'm saying, probably like a few years trying a Price who just I think it's on tour with a big criit right now. He's doing his thing for sure. So he put me on Spank music some years ago. And it's funny he used to be signing me and now I'm me and

Spank be working on a lot of music together. Yo. For people who don't know him, it is as deep, oh that it's very deep, Like I mean, it's like it's like breaking bad ship up right up right over there, like close to coach. Really Yeah, some breaking bad shit going on in him for sure. Yeah damn. So it's

it's it's that's someone you're working with. That's somebody I'm working with, somebody I've just been building making music with and I don't know exactly where it's gonna go, but we've just been trying to figure it out how long Because somebody like I feel like you and Blast have kind of similar parallels in terms of like just you guys have been around for a long time. Now Blast finally got his flowers recently. But did you ever know Blast, Like back in the day when he was producing, he

was in a group. He used to be in a group. Forgot the name of the group, but I know the homegirl Jizzle first introduced me to Blast. She brought him to my studio and he was playing joints from his group, I believe at the time, and she was telling me how he kind of was like creative directing his own shit, so he always had the vision. That's one thing I realized looking back, you know, watching Travis Scott go from literally zero to where he is now, watching Frank Ocean

not even be an artist. He was writing songs to my beats, you know what I'm saying, not even just to sell them to other people. Just watching these people like they also had a vision for themselves early, Like Travis, he knew the type of videos he wanted to make. He knew how he wanted to dress, how he wanted his hair. I remember seeing Travis opened up for Casey Veggies back in the day, like twenty ten, eleven, twelve, I don't remember, I remember what year was. Yeah, it's crazy.

And then I didn't know so Frank. You knew Frank Ocean prior to him actually decided to become an artist. One of his first placements ever was this song that he wrote on a beat that me and Chasing Cash did. It was a song for Brandy that was on one of her albums, and he wrote the songs Oh Ship, It's chasing called first in Love, It's Chasing Cash. Going to be involved in the obviously og Surf Club member is he like? He shot me the logo that I made my chain out of, and we're using that shout

out hit to his clothing line too. I forget what fire? Yeah, crazy, he'd be getting love shout out to the New Orleans legend man million damn. That's it's crazy how much history you've been a part of them? Man for sure. I mean even like said Drake Repens Serf Club back in the day. You go listen to his A Milli freestyle, he shouted out Serf Club. Go listen to nine am in Dallas. He's shouting out Serf Club in Chase just like this. It's real deep rooted. So you know what

I'm saying. When we when we pop out just on some shit people just got to know it's history to this. Can you give me what is your best story? Because I'm real tight with you know, in Phoenix we got a legend to us and he is a legend. Shout out my brother Lifted, who produced Mercy. We used to be around each other a lot out in Hawaiian, right, so he would tell me some of these stories about Hawaii or even like some of these hotel sessions up

in like some hotel suites out in London. Yeah, in London, Yeah, like yeah, I just flew in and Kanye had the studio set up in a hotel suite. I remember we was all in there and me, Lifted, pushed. It was pretty much the whole roster of good music. And they played the Mercy beat and Sean was literally sitting on the floor everybody around him, and he just like recording his verse like vibe and shit was crazy. Kanye was like kind of coaching him like it was a moment. Wow.

So he's just recording it in the room, just sitting on the floor holding the mic and on the floor like just going over his parts. That's crazy. There was another song that I may or may not have heard a snippet of that Never Has seen the light of Day that was similar to Mercy. Now. I know they put out a Mercy Part two that wasn't crazy, But there was another record that I think was supposed to be what was the other Cruel Summer is the one we got, and they were supposed to be Cool Winter,

Full Winter. Yeah, I mean I still got a bunch of beats in my zips that say Cruel Winter ideas, Like I was presenting ideas for Cruel Winter because I had three or four songs on Cruel Summer. That's crazy. Did you hear any of the Cruel Winter shit? We just I mean probably probably stuff that could have been on there. Hey man, you got a new dinosaur match. You gotta let them. If Drastic Park comes out on Friday,

right right right, you're gonna go see it. Jurassic Part probably How dope was it because I know that there was like a I don't know, like a weird energy between you and ya, and then it was dope to see you guys kind of get back together around the time that the Donda Kings King's disease shit was happening, really like linking up with game like linked up with him top of January and we just start cutting. After we after like three days, we probably had like eleven

twelve joints, and there was one joint in particular. I was like, Yo, you need to have Yay pull up the chilice so we can get him on this joint. We end up playing a bunch of stuff and easy was one of the ideas that game had already had. And as soon as Kanye had heard the Easy party, tapped me like, Yo, this like this the one basically and how he ended up hopping on it. That was something that him and the homie Duke. Duke is fire Duke crazy. You know what I'm saying, shout out of

Ohio to homies Cleveland. Yeah, he also Duke could also be he's also security slash producer as a mountain of a man. I've been doing Duke for a minute. Yeah, he's a He's an incredible producer. So what's up, man? We got something to say? Say? How old are you? Do you know? You know it's okay? Kids shy man. I kid was shy. He was up until he was

like six. Yeah, these game sessions were crazy because I remember going to listen to like he invited me to the studio, and it was you know, we know how studio sessions are, and they're not like how people think they are. Like you know, if you tell your girl you're going to the studio and she doesn't know better, she's gonna think there's a bunch of hoes and a bunch of bullshit going on, and it's not like that. Well, these sessions were definitely like that. There are they are

one rapper sessions. It was some real vintage I call it club game. It was club ship, so it's a whole bottles, it's a bars around. But the crazy thing is is he's in there knocking out four or five songs a night. Man, he's in there focus no matter what's going on. Ever have one hundred people in my session and get all this done. So I mean applaud

to him, and it's that Nigga's crazy. How many beats do you have on the dramatic project that's coming out on the Seventeen't know, because I know they're trying to clear samples and I don't know what's going to clear. Was not we we use a bunch of samples, so we're gonna see was that like, uh, you you and Game. Did you guys ever work together previously? Yeah? I worked on the Red album. Okay, yeah, I did some ship

on there. So we always was tapped in and we we we had other joints, but just nothing that ever came out. And then uh, we just tapped in Top of the Year right after Magic came out. It was just an energy in the air. So he pulled up and at first it was just like us just in the stool for you know, three four days, and we knocked out a bunch of stuff. And after that he got inspired and he was like, man, I'm about to start booking my own room and he just turned it

into club. Yeah, he booked that room across from me. Yeah, that ship's crazy. You want some chips? You want some chips? Man? You want a I have two phones. You want to play on one of them? You want to watch YouTube? You want to what kind of kid ship to have on my phone? This? This is the good phone. So it ain't getting crazy on him. You wanna you wanna? You want to play game? He's like, what what the fuck? Man?

Who was this white man? Yeah? No, it was I feel like because a game had played me some shit. Probably like late last year. This is before he started working at Chalice, and he had like what I guess he considered his album. Some of it was dope, but then the ship that he was working on at Chalice was just crazy. It was like a whole new energy. I can't even tell you how many songs he got because I know just between me and him, we got

about thirty something songs. So I'm like, he didn't have a hundred producers and he must have two or three hundred songs, Like, yeah, really go like that. So once Kanye pulled up to cut here, because we all saw the footage of him at the studio, was that like where you guys kind of really had like a moment to kind of move past whatever energy had been. I mean, yeah, at least for that moment, for sure, it was dope. Like I was able to at the you know, we

was in game room. I was like, bro, you got to come into my room and just bless the energy, like you know, Nipsey been in there, being there so many people, I'm like, I gotta have you pull up. And he pulled up. I was able to play him a couple of beats and we was vibing but we haven't connected on anything else yet. Was this prior or

after the random drink Champs interview happened? This was before because then that interview happened in Sean's like, I was just with this dude, like, you know how that went down out, it's crazy, You're gonna be able to edit all this right? So yeah, that was the That was the funny part for me, because how that thing went down was I reached out to somebody that you know, Kanye was rocking with. This was around maybe maybe October, and I was like, yo, me and Sean got this

song called what a Life? We drop in and I want to see if Yay hop on the remix. So his people was like, yo, you know I reached out to him. Yay is open to the idea, but he wants to chop it with you and Sean. Come to Sunday Service. So we pull up the Sunday Service. It's all love. We chopping it. I'm telling him and Sean like, yo, we need to do Click part two. It's a vibe

whatever whatever. Yeah, and then you know a few days later the joint come out and I was just confused as to how like he had already recorded the Drink Champs, but we are in his face and he's not saying nothing. So it's just like that just threw me off. Yeah. Sometimes the Drink Champs, you know, I know, sometimes they'll hold interviews for like a month. I figured that's what happened. I'm like, this had to have been recorded like a

few weeks ago or something. I mean, I think it was just like recorders like some days or like a week prior to you guys actually thinking of So that just kind of hit you out, like what the fuck? Yeah yeah, yeah, so it's like, you know, but it's all love though. Man. Yes, they chopped it, they talked it out. That's good. Something that you've because whenever I have producers on, I want some chips. You want some chips? Bro? Yeah? Oh god. Something that I just talked to the south

Side about. We just talked to hit Make about. I try to like give game to up and coming songwriters producers, And something that you've been vocal about is your your pub deal. And it is a mistake that a lot of artists make, not even producers, just writers signing a pub deal too early and getting taken advantage of. I mean, I would say, you know, I've spoken on this in a bunch of interviews, and I don't want to get too deep right now, but I would just say that

any deal, period, make sure it's an exit plan. Make sure that they can't you know. It's like my pop's been in prison, in the system since he was like nineteen years old. He's like fifty something now. So it's like they'll railroad you and they'll find loopoh's and ways to just keep you down, keep you in. And I feel like I'm literally going through that, like no matter how much money I earn or how much success I have, they don't really have to honor it because of the

way to the protract was written. Yeah, so it's like, make sure you got an exit plan. That's that's the most. Have you tried buying yourself out of the deal. They won't even let it happens. That's that deep. It's like it's sticky. Just keep airing them out, bro. That's that's why I gotta go crazy. That's fucking wild. Because you say you've been in it since you were nineteen, Yeah, I'll just turned thirty five. I've been in this is

all the nineteen sixteen years that's so crazy. I don't know if like it's acceptable anymore to offer those kind of deals anymore, because I know that they're not well from what I hear, like they've gotten rid of the was it the nbrcs, because that's that minimum delivery the delivery requirement I think where they'll tell you ten compositions. Yeah,

but that's that's that's a thousand points. So if you do a beat, what would you say, hit Like, if you do a beat, it's like a typical amount of points you would get on a record, like not even you specifically, just in general your experience in the music industry, if you make the beat, mean, if you got a good team and you got that leverage, I would say four maybe five points sometimes per record, per song. Yeah and so yeah, so if you have a thousand points,

you have to recoup through the maths a lot. So how about this if somebody because you know a lot of times somebody like yourself established producer will reach out and maybe get a loop pack from somebody. And I'm not saying you do that, but I mean in general, like you know, sometimes we do a nice way to get on. If you're an up and cooming artist is to send loops out, Like if you're upcoming producer, if someone uses your loop, is that something that? What? What?

What is? Ideally? What do you? Did you even get cut in on the pub at that point? I mean yeah, I mean it just depends on what y'all work out, right, or if they have a set thing like oh, this is this is, this is these are my terms or whatever. But most of the times, it's like, you know, it depends on how much they do. Like I'm a super fair guy. A lot of people, like even my counselor been like yo, you like you're a super fair person.

Like it's people that take people's whole beats and don't even give them and just throw the tag on it. You know what I'm saying, Like it's yeah, no, it's crazy. I mean it's happened a lot. I mean through out hip hop, that's happened for sure, Like, no, I made that beat, but your tags on. I've seen interviews about legendary producers that I that I, you know, literally look up to. It's like, nah, this person really made that beat.

So it's like, you know, yeah, hit Maker just shared a story about a big producer that just took the whole song that he brought to them and then got an ask cap a word for it. And he was sitting there collecting his own ass cap word and he's like, the fuck man, crazy man, Let's get past this point because I'll start getting deep. I bet it because I thought that nigga do that. I thought hit Maker it

take niggas beats and songs like. I don't know him, so I asked him that I kind of had talked to him about and he said, you know, yeah, I bring people together and they get their credit, they get their pub I look at him as like a like a calde, like an executive, like may not be actually making the music, but he knows how to point out the right one. You know what he was saying, He's like, I cut everybody in on. I have a song deal with Atlantic and somebody. He said, I have half of

the money, smart business. Half of that money that's allocated to me. I set aside half of it for the co producers, for the co writers, and they get all their credit. Business man, for sure, I respect him on the business and for sure, for sure, I mean you're in there with the I mean I've seen you're a

fucking monster. How how like I was gonna say, like, how much has your beat making process changed over the years, because there's been so I mean, some people started on fruity loops and then they've evolved to pro tools or to reason or like what is like your current beat making go to setup? What do you? What do you? What are you cooking on? I've been on FL Studios since two thousand and three, bro, almost twenty years. Still,

I mean I've messed around with able to logic. Yeah, I use pro tools, I record and sometimes arrange one beats in there. But I'm FL Studio Bro. I'm just quick on it and shout out to a ninth wonder who was the first guy was really put on really heard about somebody super professional make using FL. Yeah, so it's still fruity loops. So you gotta have a PC? Yeah? Well, I mean no, they got it on Mac now do that. I didn't know. I know back in the day you

had to like partition your hard drive. That's what I used to do. Yeah, I use a PC though that's fire, So you still use a PC. I use the Asis. So you got your you got your Mac. I'm sure everyone's got a MacBook for other ship and then you got your I just got the mac the computer to just put my pro tool stuff on. I don't even have a MacBook no more. That was that was just what's you know, he's just a kid hanging out. He's he don't know. He was the radio anything now anything

you want to add age. Tell him how old you are, real quick, say it on the microphone. How old are you, bron? How old is he too? Too? Yeah, it's just say two to Chuck de deuce man, how many kids you have? Kid? It's only one? One of one? See three man ce three? What is the Uh? He's a third? So your dad's the first, you're the second, he's the third. That's fire. Do you get to take him to go visit grandpa?

Like when he's locked up? He was born like literally a day before we went into lockdown in La so he it was like, he's a COVID baby, you know what I'm saying. COVID baby. You know you can't have really no visits in prisons during the COVID shit. So yeah, we don't work it out soon though. Hey, so nowadays, what I like about we're talking you have a team around you. You You got a guy like jan Sport j who's been around for a long time as an artist too.

I remember seeing his shit on Two Dope Boys back in the day. Six man, how important is it to kind of like make sure you also surround yourself or with just like other inspiring producers, guys who bring something to the table, you know what I mean. I mean Janz Sport legendary, like he chopped samples like you know, bar None, Like he's one of the craziest doing that,

you know what I'm saying. And that's just something that inspired me, Like, I definitely got to keep myself surrounded with, you know, people that are just you know, in their own land and just doing what they do. Yeah, how because you know with with for people who don't know you have a studio, Chalice that you've had for four years. Four years in August, that's where you did Racks in the middle, right, Racks in the middle. I did a bunch of stuff, all of the one KT too magic. Yeah,

it's it's a special place, man. Crazy. We did Burden the Proof at Childie too. I think I was I was there for that. Yeah, I was there for some of that. Chick Conway was there that it's crazy west Side. It was hey and unofficially the start of the album. We're never gonna get the Freddie Gibbs Benny album. That's probably never coming out. I hope it does. Man. If not, we will leak. We're gonna well you already kind of leaked it. Well. I put it on my I g

one day. I was just playing it. I'm like, this ship too hard. People got to hear this. Leaked it on my you took it down, now I'll take it down. Did anybody hit you about it? I did get hit up for show. It wasn't even like take it down. I just was like, I'm gonna just take it. Hit you up about it. A couple of people, couple people from both sides. Yeah, like, yoh, what the fuck? I thought about doing the same thing. I'm glad to was

you though, because you made it. I was like I can't do this and I was just like this beat, crazy song. It's insane, nick loving. Hopefully it comes out one day. Man, maybe if you do, like a car it's on YouTube and all that show. Oh is it? I mean just like a leaked Oh just your version that you put you put up, not the whole thing in and maybe if you ever put out like a producer compilation, well that's what's coming next. Like I'm about to I'm actually starting to drop music this summer. I'm

gonna drop my first joint probably August. It's gonna be just like my beats with different artists without you rapping. And I'm also dropping a rap shit at the same time, so doubling old fledge. Yeah. How how like I feel like for somehow over the last five or six years, like you're still kind of been flying under the radar for some of the projects you put out as a rapper.

Do you feel like finally that tied is starting to turn in terms of like you're getting a lot more respect as an MC because you put out some great, great shit, not even like domb shit aside, like half a milshit aside, like even the solo shit you were putting out. Nah. I mean, I just feel like I just feel it on a personal level, you know. And then when I play the music, I show the new videos I'm making, I just see the reaction, you know what I'm saying, a natural, organic reaction to the people

that I played it for. I'm like Yeah, I definitely can see the growth. I can see what's up. I can see how much just being around these great artists like Big Sean like Nas and what dude, you don't want me to talk, yo, you want to put this on? Let me see dinosaur mode. There you go, Oh he's outside. Okay. Yeah, just like seeing my own growth. Man, that's been super inspired to me beyond just like if other people are hearing it as well. It's just like, damn, like I

can I could just feel growth. Yeah, with this new ship that's coming out obviously Corsa, is there going to be what is is this the lead into like another project, a full project or is this just kind of like most definitely it's it's okay man, we're here. People see it on YouTube. There's a we have a two year old with a toy where it happens. Damn. I was saying,

like with Coursa, like what is this leading into? Like like Coursa, that's some It's gonna either end up on a half a mile project or a solo hit board or whatever the case is. We're just making music at this point and I just want to keep dropping, keep the momentum up. Yeah. One hundred percent and that I know you recently left rock Nation right on a management on the management side, what what's something that you had kind of learned on? Like obviously rock Nation is a

prestigious brand. Respects to them, Shout out to Hoe, Shout out to everybody over there, everybody that locked in with me. Were you able to like kind of like learn anything of your time over there on the management side? Just getting managed by those guys for sure, And just like on a personal level, just the things that I see for myself and the things that I want for myself, they have to align all across the board. And it's like if it's any disconnection, it's gonna be tough. You

know what I'm saying. I don't want to get into the dtails of you know nothing, but it's all love to the that's fire. What is uh? You know we've seen a lot of producers do different business moves outside of music. Are you working on anything that is not necessarily directly music related? I got to hit boyog with the homies, Illi canis you know what I'm saying? You

got some weed? I got it in some stores right now, some lemonades and some cookie stores and about to keep pushing it, you know, do you actually like pull up and like go to the grow and like figure out exactly what your string is gonna be been to to grow plenty of times. And then sometimes they'll bring like even their lab person to the studio just oh, I've been there and there's been pounds and pounds of weed at your stud I don't even know if it's that guy,

but there's just yeah. So they'll bring like, you know, their whole team to the stool just about with me and bring me different strains to you know, piece together that we can you know, but you're O g guy, hit boy OG is the overall brand. Waiting Game is the strains. So this is like the first one. Waiting Game is not the most heavy og you know smoke, but it's a good smoke at the same time. But the next one is we're gonna definitely hit him with

some ogs. I remember being there one night and there was like a jeweler who was trying to rip everybody off. Big Sean was there. I forget who it was, but there was like a jeweler who like pulled And it's funny because I've seen that actually happen a bunch of times we're jewelery. I mean, this was the jeweler that you know the little Baby when Little Baby was like somebody told me a fake watch. This's the same jeweler

that was at my studio. I remember everybody once he left was like, yo, this guy was really trying to get over on us, like he's fucking crazy. Wow. But you know it's wild. They got the some of the Ellis finesss ever, because think about it, it happens a lot. I'm sure you've seen that jeweler pull up to the studio prior. Like that shit happens all the time, where somebody will pull up with a fucking suitcase of ice

in a room full of rappers. There's no way to verify if the shit is and then they'll try to upsell you like it's like they're selling. Like you know when you get a little kid knocking on your door trying to sell you some candy or some shit. It's like like in the towel lately, it's candy dudes outside of towel every night, like trying to sell you candy right from outside of highlight room. Really get in the bag. It's like they must have learned from the Atlanta water boards,

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not just La. But you know what I'm saying, it's like heavy out here, heavy and La. You gotta just move proper in I'll be having my son with me, Like, you don't want to just get caught up in any just situation being too just all over the place, So I move militant regardless. Yeah, that's important. Why do you think that is in La? Man? Like? Because it is the thing in La. I think I think a lot of it was because the edd was rampant out here,

that shit dried up. People got to see something they ain't ever seen and be in places ain't ever been and it's like hard to let that go. So it's like anybody by any means, so you just gotta be moving right. You are somebody who took the pandemic and like leveled up to uh, I think a career high. I did the same thing. What was a what was it?

Was it a coincidence feed that the pandemic like worked out for you in the right way, or was there something that happened during the pandemic where you kind of had to switch turn on? Because it kind of for me, Like I said, this guy was born a day before the lockdown, so it was like, nah, I gotta I gotta go on the overdrive. Like I was already feeling that way, like knowing he was coming. When he got here. It was like, nah, bros, a game changer. I gotta

kill ship, go to a new level. Yeah, once you have a kid, man, it changes everything. Yeah, one hundred per How old are you two? Say what? He's shy man, He's a shy little guy. I ain't mad at you, bro, I'm gonna get you some chips in a little bit. At least he don't have an iPad. You know, most kids you get the iPad and're like, nah, for sure, I mean he'd be having an iPhone. He don't even like the iPad. He got an iPad and he got his own little cell phone he'll be using a lot

of kids are getting raised by iPads these days, for sure. Yeah, I'll tell you this. My son Millennium, he's eight years old. Sometimes I have YouTube going on the big TV downstairs, and I'll be like, the fuck are you? Bruh, the fuck are you watching? Maybe into these uh what's the mister beasts? And those YouTube right right YouTube channels are? I mean he's still on like Blippy and like real

little kid. Yeah, the Blippy ship is lit. I don't even know about it, bro when he was born, like you know, that's when I first was watching Blippy come up. And then like last week, I'm going through like the Netflix. He's on Max. He's gonna do has like his own cartoon. Now.

It's crazy. The Blippy thing is why it really came well man, Yeah, crazy because I remember as a kid, like there was like Teletubbies and yeah, Blippy is that guy right now for the kids and that little Asian kid, Ryan, Ryan's toy, Ryan's world, Yeah right right, that kid yo, his his parents are eat what he's like nine? What's he doing with one hundred million dollars? His parents? I guess us us need to get him opening toys on YouTube. Nah, for sure, that's coming. Yeah, that's a that's a revenue

stream for sure. For sure. What else, obviously, besides your solo ship, I'm sure you've got a lot of placements coming. I know you can't divulge into all of those, but yeah, I've been I've been tapped in man the hips working. I'm actually working on a lot of music for the new Madden that's dropping, the one with Madden on the cover.

Uh huh. Yeah, I'm doing a lot of like the scoring for like the franchise mode, like when you're doing a career mode, Like I'm basically all the scenes, like I'm scoring them, So you're scoring them with all original ship original music. That's big. Is this the first time you've scored something like? Nah, I scored a movie called Corked that was on Netflix. Oh the guy that's actually the black dude that's and I can't think of his name. He's in the new Jurassic Park that's coming out on Friday.

That was one of his first big roles. And I scored that whole movie and did a couple other things. But this is like, you know, when you score something like that, do they send you those scenes dry and then it's just up to you to set the vibe. They'll send well, they'll send me a reference that like they might have, you know, picked a song or picked a piece of music that they thought fit. So they

was like, try to at least match the energy. It is like do your own thing, but try to just make sure it has a pace, similar to how this is movie. Wow, that's big. So you're kind of when when are you go You're gonna get credit on? Man, it's probably gonna be like executive produced by hit Boy. That's huge. Somebody who I love that's young, that's up and coming. He's from the Bay, but he's in La. Have you got a chance to work with Simba yet? I have not, but I mean I didn't seen him

tear down a few free styles. He's crazy. Duke working with him, Yeah, Duke works with him. I feel like you guys got to set up a session. Well, we had set up a session, but this was maybe a couple of years ago and time and his everything. He's special. Man. Yeah, So the game album, we don't know how many you have, but hopefully we'll find out on the seventeenth, I guess we all gonna find out because that's like next week, right.

I feel like Game is very, very sporadic. He's coming on the show next week, so I'm gonna but yeah, it's like thirty songs and next week or you know, it's like that's a crazy guy, but he's he's a great rapper man, so you know, let him just do what he do. He is a great rapper and he's got one of the more prestigious discographies. Yeah, especially on the West Coast too, because Game don't put out whack

albums for sure. Like I can't think of a time er I listened to a Game album and I was like, it's like solid alwayst I feel like he's and I feel like not a lot of people can say that everyone has weak points in their discography. I'm not sure Game has any. Because Red album was dope, fucking Jesus piece. Obviously, Doctor's Advocate was my favorite. Hmm. I'm trying to think lax Lax was fine. Album was crazy. Documentary two was dope,

a lot of bars. Are you are You? And Benny gonna do Burner Proof too, We're gonna see I want to tape back in that was I was just working with Jay Worthy the other day. We all tapped in on a text message, like a group text. We want to do something together, so we're gonna put it together. I feel like that's kind of his zelmatic, low key crazy. That's a crazy way to put it. Yeah, I mean it kind of changed his life and that and you know a lot of people would say that's his best

body of work. It would only be right. Would you do another joint album with you know, because you and Conway shit is crazy? Man, that's somebody I was thinking like, man, we might as well just cranking out do I mean Conway? I think that should be hard. Yeah, because Conway's that guy that ship with him and Dave's Love that I did was hard. Oh that's that was the first song on the album in Yeah, that was Yeah. Did you are you going to put Dave Wolf on that record?

That was Conway? Yeah? Because that shit came out crazy. Yeah. Yeah, shout out to the Griselda guys. Anything else that you're working on? Man? What else should I bring up with me? Every day? That's a lot of courses on DSPs Friday or there's new music. Man, I'm dropping a lot of rap ship and I'm dropping a lot of production all at the same is your production album compilation joint? Is that already kind of like do you have like a

folder where there's already ship in there? Set aside? So I got a lot of joints, different artists, but you know it's it's clearances and it's a lot of nuances that going to I'm gonna go out on the legend say Nas and Don Kennedy might be on that album. That's a good guess, that's an easy one. And then King's Disease three hopefully I'm working on the album with Belly to Belly, Are You serious? Ship? Album? Pretty much done? We got some crazy joints, dude hip hop and some

turned up shit. Belly is one of my favorite rappers just period, and he's like my shroom brother. Me and him are very much into into the shrooms. Has Belly tried to get you the eatrooms yet? Now, Belly ain't. I mean a lot of people have been talking about strooms lately, but that's not my thing. But he does cook a crazy mill a crazy tenderlin with these noodles, broy Can. He's such a prolific, so prolific on that pan. Have you been in the studio with him? He has

this thing at his house. It's like a plate with sand on it, and he got a few houses or something. No, no no, no, no no. So there's this like thing. It's there's a name for it, and it's like a plate that has a bunch of sand on it and it makes shapes the music that you play, whatever frequency or whatever the sand moves into like the shapes of it's it's crazy. You got to ask him about that ship. So you and Belly got a whole album coming. Yeah the fuck I got to pull up on Belly in

here this ship. What did you guys record it at his house? Your place? We recorded it at my spot in his spot. Yeah, he got a crazy studio. Yeah, he's actually the producer CV with two Uh it's a duo. I forget their names, man, but they're super talented. I would fuck I wish I remember their names. You probably met the guys, the two guys he's got with them, the homies from XO. Yeah yeah, yeah, and he's got a very moody French bulldog. Chips have been secured, ladies,

The chips have been secured. So Belly album King's Disease three hopefully Yeah, yeah, we you know, that's a tough one, bro, because it's the first time we got some real pressure on us speak. We got so much lead time before. You really only had like seven days to prepare for KD one, five days to prepare for kat two and then Magic. We dropped the cover twelve hours before. How magic shit came out out of nowhere. It was like a twelve hours We dropped the artwork maybe twelve pm

and it dropped at twelve am. So we this is the longest, like because he he said this, you know, on the song Ugly Katie three on the way. This is real, Like it's pressure, this shit gotta be hard, gotta be and it's the trilogy. It's the trilogy. There hasn't been any I mean shout out to the blueprint, right, there's three of those. There were some weak points in the Blueprint. I mean I wouldn't I wasn't crazy about Blueprint three to be, but Blueprint two had some of

my favorite hope. Now, there was some fat that they cut off when they did the Blueprint two point one. You remember that they put out like the original blueprint too, and then there was this You never know what that was about. It was just because there was there was some good ship on the Blueprint too, like some of my favorite hope. I think the best storytelling song ever is on there. It's called Me the Parents. Oh yeah, that's a classic record. But there was a lot of

bullshit on Blueprint. Blueprint too. So they did the two point one. I feel like it was kind of like because I always used to see that cover because they had the red with the like split up. I just never knew what I was. I think it was just like, all right, guys. I think it was their way of trying to get people to really digest the fire shit

on that album. But you guys are two for two, three for three, But you know King's Disease three you got You're right, kay, three gotta you gotta beat the one. Do you feel like the way you and Nabs work together like this is just for life now? I mean I was, I mean because I would hate like King's Disease three come out, and then I got cool, but

we completed the trilogy. We're moving on. You never know, bro, Honestly, we just kind of just move off the energy that's present with us and it just seems like it's gonna be going for a while, so let's just hope for that. Who do you think you have similar chemistry with? I would say Sean, I would say Dom. I actually got a great fucking rapport with Don Tolliver, Like, you know, I did a single his first single on his last album, What You Need, and we're working on new music now

and it's like me and Bro got a synergy. You know. I love Don Tolliver because his voice to me is just very just like there's very few people who have like that unique pitch. That's you're like when you hear him, you hear him, that's you know who it is? Is? He still managed by Cheddar the Connect. I would not know Bro. Remember the Flick of the Wrist song from what I understood for a while that was his manager, which is amazing because that song was south By Southwest

twenty fourteen encapsulated is Flick of the Wrist? Did you ever do a south By run? Oh? Yeah, you came to my stage and performed I used to go to say I was going there way before even Niggas was even a low poping. Yeah. No, that my first big stage there. You guys performed. Do you remember that it was you guys, Audio, Push, whiz Khalifa, Berner and Tye performed Crazy Damn. You know runs used to be like you were just going down you do like twelve shows. Yeah.

I went to south By this year for the first time since like twenty sixteen, and it was god awful. I would never get bro don't go. It's a waste. What was different about it just there's no energy. There's it's it's terrible. Like you know, you used to go to south By it was a thing, and you'd also be like, oh, I got to check out this person because they're on the cusp, you know what I mean. There was none of that this year. It was it was the first year back post pandemic, but it was

absolutely disappointing. I was like, I was trying to tell the homies that are out there with me for the I was like this just so y'all know, this ain't how usually is this ship used to be legendary? Cool man? Then shit, you gotta start DJ man. What you talking to? South Side? South Side is gonna start DJing. You gotta start DJA. Get all the bags the little gig I did like when I really DJ, like they paid me great,

So I'm with all that. You just play, you know, nwards in Paris and all the hits played out about ten times. And let's say I was gonna say peak in Paris. How many times in a road did they end up? What was the record on the Washing the Throne tour? They did it back to back to back. I feel like it's like fifteen fourteen, fifth team in a row. Yeah, and in the club you could play that bitch five times, just back to back to back. I don't even remember the last time that happened. It

hasn't as far as I know. There's been big club records like I remember, like Designers Panda was like a fucking moment, but like nothing that you could just rewind over and over it, especially in a concert. Oh yeah, the show ship was crazy. And then you I remember you got pulled up on stage at one of those shows that was just showing Paris. That was it. Didn't you have that framed or something? For sure? Yeah? I got that on a canvas. Somebody got that done for me.

Where do you keep your grammies these days? Right in the studio, right where I'm making beats. You don't keep any at home and at the mom's house. Nothing. Nah, I'm gonna get some more and then I'll give them to it. Can you order extras? No, they just give you the one. Yeah. If it's fucked, it's fucked, right, damn all the how many Grammies now? Three? Now? Three? It's a lot of Grammys, man, that's you know, there's people out here with twenty something. Man, so I got

work to do. These people out here with zero. You are right about that. You have more than Nas. That's crazy. Yeah, that's nuts. You have two more than nas. Right, Yeah, I can't share the one we got together. That's you know what's crazy? As I feel like Nas is like up until he got his Grammy, it was like Leonardo DiCaprio at the Oscars, like Leo has this one of the greatest actors of all time, and up until what was the movie with the bear that fucked him up?

Do you remember the name of that movie? Nima Revenant. He finally, he finally got one. It's like, dude, this is an all time great Tupac ain't got no Grammy, Big, I don't think got no grammy. A lot of people don't man, so which one means the most, the Nipsy Grammy or the NAS Grammy. That's a great question. They both. They both meet a whole lot. Honestly, I feel like the energy that Nipsey left with me and left in my room just because he loved working in my studio

so much, that trickle down into KDE. I don't think there will be a KD, you know, because just the amount of energy in the way I feel when I'm in a room in a way that other artists feel they want to work. They got a real spirit of one to get shit done when they pull up. I don't think the KD shit it's I think it has something to do with nick you know. I don't want if you don't know, super spiritual or no Weir or whatever.

But I definitely think he left an energy there for me and NAS to really because him and NAS had just linked up before it happened. Obviously, me and nip was working a lot, so it was just something that just tells me like that energy was left in there for me and Nos to get them albums done. Nipsey was obviously a one of one. Is there anyone in the game right now? That gives you similar energy that nippad sh man. I can't call it right now. I can't really think of nobody right. It was very like

lightning in a bottle. It's crazy one for sure, one on one for sure. Man, Oh, what's for you? Man? You know, if we watch this in twenty years, what do you want the legacy of hip boy to be? And you might still be fucking active in twenty years. Let's say we watched him thirty five years you're retired.

What do you want the legacy of hip boy to be? Man? Oh, I'm gonna just say, like just being associated with great shit, you know what I'm saying the way I look at the people who came before me, like I just want people to look at me the same way. Like, Man, this motherfucker was really on that music shit, really like going crazy. I think you're very much like knocking. So you know, when we always ask who's the greatest producers of all time, there's always the names that nobody can

say shit about. I think it's DJ Premier, it's Doctor Dre, It's timbaland Riza, you know, I mean, even alchemists in that conversation. But there's there's like that. I feel like you're like, right, you're I think you're I mean you're there, You're getting there. You're getting into that conversation that not a lot of people like a very elite club of all time greats. I mean, you know, that's honestly something

that's not really up to me. It's just about me putting in the work, putting in the time to be considered on that level. Yeah, I think you're up there, man. I think in terms of just quality of beats, I'm not sure anybody can fuck with you. I always told you this, anytime you've ever just like played beats as long as I've known you, dude, I've never had anybody ever just play me beats that just like stand alone by themselves in such an amazing way. So shout out

to you man, Uh course out new ship on the way. Yes, go buy this. The merch available March is available on hit boy dot com. Surf Club ship coming there it is, man, go buy some hip boy og. Yes, sir, and uh yeah, shout out to your son who who brought up amazing He's somewhere here. It is man, hit Boy