#171 - Ella Mai

I might have been someone from Interscope and they were just like, hey, we just want to introduce you to her. She's going to be the next thing. And like Jesus, and then here you are making the R and B music I grew up loving. Oh thank you. Yes, it kind of took a while to make this album. And you know what I love about your album is like when I saw the track list, you know, it's it's hard to make an album with that many songs and it'd be fire. Thank you, but you made us wait.

So I feel like you made us wait, right, So it's like, okay, cool, you made us wait, and you know you delivered, so it wasn't like super super intentional that I made everyone. Wait, I think everyone one thinks that I like disappeared off the face of the earth and then like came back. It really was like boot up Trip my debut album end of twenty eighteen, and then for the whole of twenty nineteen, I toured, Like literally January to January twenty twenty, I toured and I can't.

I'm not really like a record on the road, like I need to be stationary and like set. So I wasn't in the studio. So twenty twenty was always the year for me to record. Anyway, it took a little bit longer than we planned. Pandemic. Yeah, and the pandemic, like I didn't I really didn't want to put something out during the pandemic and not be able to like work it properly. I feel like everyone kind of at first the virtual stuff was cool, but then months in

everyone was like, I'm sick and tired of seen so tired. Yeah, so I wanted to make sure I would be able to work it properly. So yeah, it took a little bit long, but we're here now, Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, you got some crazy records on Here Fallen Angel, I want to say it is one of my favorites. Yes, I love the outro at the end. Yes, the Arrioti record is crazy. Thank you. What would you say, like, where did you kind of pull your inspiration from for

this project? Yeah? I think it was really just my life in real time. Like I think with my debut album, the studio was really like still quite new to me, and I was like figuring out what I wanted to sound like and what I wanted to say. And this album, I felt like I was super confident in what I wanted to say and what I wanted to sound like and the message that I wanted to get across. And really I was just going in and kind of like diary entries almost, and whatever I felt on that day

is what came out. I sort of felt like, yeah, did you go through a breakup during the pandemic or something? I did? Yeah, so so that there's all that all you need is a breakup, a good breakup. But to be fair, my album's not a sad album now, but there are some moments. You know, there's moments. There's moments, for sure, but I'm also learning that like life happens in moments, Like happiness happens in moments, Sadness happens in moments.

Success comes in moments, and like obviously those moments come back they you know, it's like a roller coaster. But yeah, there's moments of I think more so moments of happiness, but there's definitely moments of sadness on the album. Yeah, how old is the right? Like? How long old did you guys do the Right? The Roddy record, I want to say, we did it last summer, so it's not that it's not that old. Yeah, but like fully fully

finished it, probably top of the year. But Roddy and I we we actually did another song first for was supposed to be for us this album, and then we kind of came back around and we had this. This was one of the last records we did on my album. But from the beginning, the start of me recording, I was like, I really want Roddy on this album because I'm such a big fan. So it must have made

it happen. Yeah, do you like, are you conscientious of Like I said that, you make the music I grew up loving, and I feel like for a while we kind of were missing R and B like true R and B in terms of like the forefront of music. But I do feel like it's coming back. But I feel like you had a lot to do with that. Are you conscientious of that, like, because I feel like you kind of feeled something that was missing, you know what I mean? Thank you? First of all, that's that's

a big compliment. I don't feel like I was super, super super aware at the time. I think it's really just like, that's the music I grew up on, too, So it's really just like my influences and who I love and the music I love, and that's just the music that comes out because that's just what I loved listening to and what I love making. I don't think anyone could have ever really planned what happened with Brewed

Up or what happened with Trip. I think it was just like clearly something that the industry was missing and what people wanted. And I definitely, I definitely do feel like it gave R and B a lot more like mainstream attention at the time, and then since then it's R and B has kind of been taken out back care but it's still it's still a very hard genre.

If you're not like a crossover. It's still even though we're making waves somewhat, it's still a really hard genre to work and I think as an R and B artist, you just kind of have to be aware of that and just try your best to to like navigate it's quite hard to navigate through. Yeah, like money Along, she just went number one with like a real traditional R and B record. I'm like, this shit is number one and two formats and it's very, very hard to do,

very hard. I don't think people understand I used to do in touch like a pop or like rap base. Yeah, industry, yeah, one hundred percent. Talk about like, how did you spend your pandemic? Were you here in the States? Were you back home in the UK? Where were you at? I was in the States, Yeah, I couldn't actually leave because I was right before the pandemic happened. I was in the process of getting my green card, so like, while you're in the process, you're not supposed to leave because

they can deny you like re entry. And then obviously COVID happened in the pandemic and the embassy shot, so if I would have left that we wouldn't come back. I would have got stuck at home. Yeah, I know people who that happened to. Yeah. Yeah, And I was in the middle of making an album and I didn't want to. I could make an album at home, yes, but your team's out here, everyone's here, So it was just like it would have been really hard for me to do that. So I was here. Yeah, I didn't

go home. The first time I went home was November that just passed, and that was the first time in two years. So yeah, with Buota being such a massive record, how much did you pay attention to all the remixes I made attend? That's all. I saw a lot of tea Pain caught a fucking body, killed it, absolutely killed it. But he like, I don't know why everybody was acting so surprised. I wasn't, but I was just like, yah, I feel like he doesn't get enough credit at all.

Like T Pain is actually a goat. I don't think people want to I agree. I agree, he's his. We would like to say he's him duncan, Yes, mcpay, he is him. He is Like I feel like he really created like a new lane when he came out in his Like in his prime, there was no one really really really doing what T Pain was doing and he can actually sing, like I don't think he forms his ass off. You know, I've never seen him live. He's

one of my favorite life offered to see him. Yeah, like for the like his size, the way he'd been moving around and popping and locking, and I'm just like Jesus, I've seen videos, but I've never actually experienced it in person. Yeah. How like when we talk about Mustard, I feel like somehow we just talked about T Pain doesn't enough credit.

I feel like Mustard doesn't get enough credit just for him being the CEO that he is, the guy that he is, and just like the prolific I mean, you know, not a lot of people have had runs like Mustard. How involved was he with this project? I feel like he was heavily involved in the first project. Like how like are his fingerprints all over the album? Yeah, he's still he definitely. I think he was definitely more involved

in the debut, but he's still produced. I think I want to say six of the fifteen on this album. I think I think I'm correct, And I always like I don't there's nothing that I do that I don't play him like his opinion is really really really important to me, and he's never steerd me wrong. So he's still super super involved. Whether it's being like, you know, the label owner of ten Summers, or whether it's production wise,

he's still super involved. And he's not like scared to tell me that he doesn't like something, and I'm not scared to tell him I don't like something, like it's super just organic and natural. So he's very involved. Yeah, did you feel like there was a I feel like there was in like that twenty eighteen twenty nineteen range. You were on a lot of hooks. You were kind of like the go to do you think so, I

don't feel like, I just I'm thinking of the Meek album. Yea, there was a I feel like you were on a couple of hooks, right, Not really not really me. Maybe I'm just thinking of the Meek I feel like for a while there, I just heard you on the radio audience see no, because you know what it was. It was really wild because boot Up happened, and then Trip happened, which is all over the radio, and then my album happened, and then Meek was like right after my album twenty

four seven, So the timing of it. I just felt like it was LMA Radio for like six months. It was like, jeez, I know everyone was tired of it, like we don't want it is anymore. But yeah, no, Meek was really the main twenty four to seven was the main feature I did. I didn't really do. I haven't really done many features to be fair when it comes to people, because I'm sure people hit you a lot to do a future like you know what, people

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he killed the Kendrick album. Yes, yes he did, Yes, Kendrick's album. I haven't listened to it in its entire yet. So you haven't sat with the whole project yet. No. Yeah, I feel like I need to be in a certain like headspace in order to properly take it. It took me like three days to like sit down because I'm like, I can't just like this. It can't be back. Yeah, I gotta like really sit down and like like hone in on this because I feel like it's such an

important album. I want to listen to it passively. So I finally did. I was like, I find it. If I would to listen to it passively, I would have been like, but it's amazing. Yeah, yeah, I haven't. I had it, haven't had the chance to, and I want to do the same. I want to sit down and actually properly listen to it, and I haven't been able to do that yet, So I will obviously at one point. But I know I don't expect anything less from what about just on the R and B side? Any any

fellow fellow ladies that you're doing and everyone? Kay Lonnie just dropped her album, which shout out to Kay Lonnie. I listened to a lot of Keana the day like you said money just when I know she just put out another single. Who else is it. I love Snow even though Snows Snow's album is almost a year old now,

I think, but I listened to it like it came up. Yeah, Snows music is like very like I just feel like it's like it's like when you're listen to on a del album, you're like, I could hear this song at a wedding in like one hundred and fifty years. So I feel like Snow's music is very the Yeah she I think you can like I could me personally, I can be in any mood, like whether I'm happy, sad, like energetic or whatever, and Snow's music always just makes me feel like I'm like at peace, and I love that.

I feel like you need like a balance of like the turn up music and yeah, so Snow, I'm a big fan of Snow Jasmine. When you're when you're trying to turn up? What is the go to? City girls? City girls? Shout out to the city girls. Yes, I love them, They're amazing. They Yeah, they're torn. I think they're torn with that. Oh Jack b Yeah, shout out to Jack Harlan. He's doing Arenas, he's killing it, killing it. Yeah, I'm really happy for him. It's very surprised he didn't

know ray J and Brandy were brother and sister. I mean, I feel like everyone knows that. I mean we feel like everyone knows that because we know it. But like I don't think it was like like obviously I know that, But like maybe he didn't grow up listening to Brandy. And that's I feel like the Internet tries to like they definitely make it's not a big time. It's not

a big ye stephone. Maybe he didn't get around, like you know, tapping in with Brandy like he said, he was like no one's ever told him that in his life. That's crazy. Yeah, shout out to Brandy. She's a legend on this project. You also got a lot of on the album. Lotto has been. She's such a sweetheart, Like she's one of my favorite interviews I've done in a long time. She's hilarious. Yeah, she's she's actually like so

personable but just so like super down to earth. She's really funny, like you just said, Yeah, I met her at studio. We were using the same studio just like randomly, and she was next door and I just went in there and I was like, Hi, I'm a big fan and she was like, what are you like? You know, she was really sweet to me, and she says child, Yeah, she was really sweet to me. And I had didn't

say the song that she's on. I had that from the start of the recording process that was one of the very first ones that I recorded and just never had a second verse to it. And I was just like, I think this is one that needs a feature. And by the time we got around to like figuring the features out, I already had already and I already had Lucky, so I was like, I want a female so she kind of a yeah, a different bag for her to

be into. I feel like, yeah. And I think that's what's so interesting about the song too, because I think when you look at like Lma featuring Lot, you're like, what's what in the world does this sound like? Yeah? But she killed it, like literally she when she sent me back the verse, it was everything I would have

wanted her to say, and I didn't even have to. Like, but I don't like to tell people I want you to say this, like, you know, I want you to do whatever you do best, because that's the reason I would, you know, want you to collaborate with me, And that was the greatest part about that because the song obviously spoke to her in the same way it spoke to me, and she killed her ver so I was like, yeah, she killed it. You're writing process, break this down, because

I always see artists like I'm in the studio. Obviously we're in my recording studio right now, so I always see like, you know, I feel like nowadays when it comes to rap people unchaining their lines. You're obviously a prolific singer. You make prolific music. Thank you. Are you

writing ideas at home? Are you writing the beats? Like how is your kind of like process when it comes to like coming up with that is obviously you know, you can collaborate with other writers, but in terms of the stuff that you're like putting your pen down on, like, like what is that process for you? I don't really write at home, like if I have an idea. I know, like a lot of people will like start writing something if they see something whatever. I'm not really that type

of person. I think I have to hear like a beat or hear some chords or something like that in order for inspiration to like come. I like to work off of whatever the beat or the chords make me feel like because like I don't want to I don't want to have an idea and going to the studio and be like this is what I need to make It feels very forced when I do. I know that works for some people. I rather just catch the vibe to what is that actually going on in the studio

at that time and figure it out from there. That's really what we do most. We kind of like whether we're working to a beat or whether we're starting from scratch. If we're starting from scratch, it'll be like, okay, well kind of how do you feel today? And then we'll go for there and then obviously the chords will either be moody or they'll be happy. But I like to write in the studio, what's the song on the album?

If you had to pick out one song that just came the easiest to you, where maybe you had something on your chest you just had to get it off, and it just was like it just happened so easy. Break my Heart was the quickest quickest one that we wrote. It literally took I don't even think it took more than half an hour. But it's funny because that's like

one of my favorite songs on the album. It's like it's quite simple, like the choruses if I could choose who could If I had to choose who could break my heart, it would be you, which is a nuts concept. Everyone's like, girl, what But it's kind of it's kind of sweet to say, but like I think people, I think people are misconstruing it. Like I'm not saying like I'm going to choose you to break my heart if I had to choose, like worst case scenario, if I had to choose, it would be you. Mm. Is that

so that's like something you actually went through, right? Yeah? Yeah, this was my life in real time pandemic heartbreak. Yeah, I guess you could say that how do you get over heartbreak? In the pan because it's a very you know, it was a pretty wild I mean, I don't know if you were in LA a lot of the time. I spent quite a bit in the LA because lahit got kind of crazy out here. Yeah. In terms of like about that, like the first few months it felt

like we were in a movie Gotham. Yeah. Yeah, I think to be fair, I like I wouldn't say it was like a super super bad like it was heartbreak, yes, but it wasn't like a super super bad breakup or anything that it wasn't ugly. Yeah, it wasn't ugly, So

it wasn't as hard as it probably seems. And I have great friends and great family, so I think that's important, like even though they're not physically around during the pandemic, but like FaceTime makes you feel very a lot closer obviously, And yeah, I don't really I don't really have like a step to step how I did it. I just kind of took it. Yeah, so it wasn't it wasn't anything crazy, Like you didn't getcheated on or anything. No, no, no, no,

not that. The cheating shit is like the hardest thing to get over. I've gotten cheated on in my life before and it is very Yeah, it's bad. Do you feel like I had this conversation with my friend the other day, do you feel like you could stay with someone after they cheat? Like, do you think that the relationship is solvable? Almost in my case, I tried it out. Yeah, it didn't want but we have there was a kid involved, but it definitely since I lived through that, I would

say probably not. I would say, like once that trust is probably violated. Like it's just hard, it's hard. It's probably hard to go. It's just yeah, I think it's harder. And I think, like, uh, I guess it. I mean, listen, circumstances are you know, they change, like I guess the case the case. But I would say, like, you know, it just depends. I guess it depends on what happened, how toxic the situation is, Like, hey, toxic situations. We

don't want any any toxic situations over there. Yeah. Yeah, so I think like, yeah, if it's like something like I don't know, I was a part of a pretty terrible relationship, so you know, it was something that like I just try to make work over and over for my kid's sake. And the best thing I ever did was just like you know what I mean. So now I have my son who I have a custody of, you know what I mean, So shout out to my son.

But yeah, it was definitely. Yeah. I would say like if you get cheated on, I mean, look, everyone's different. I guess like, if the circumstances are crazy, then yeah, you should probably bounce. You should probably move on. What about you? Have you ever taken someone back after cheating. I've I haven't been cheated onto my knowledge. Oh well, that's good. That's good. We'll shout out to you. You're fucking lucky. I know that's not the case that most

people's most people's life. Yeah, we just had a topic on the radio where someone called in and they found out that their husband cheated like ten years prior, and like he pretty much admitted to it. I don't know, but never cheat it again after that. Right, So she found out that like ten years prior that he had cheated, and she was like, what should what should I do?

What would you do if, like, let's say you were in a relationship, hypothetically you're with a guy for seven or eight years and you found out in the first year he cheated it, but you found out he hasn't cheated since. Would you would you kind of be like like, that's kind of a weird situation, right, It's a fifty to fifty because it's like, obviously I understand why he didn't tell her, but it's also like, well, you've kind of lied to me for all these years, so how

you're pretty comfortable with lying to me? Yeah, so how can I actually even prove that you've never done it again one but two, Yeah, I don't know. I don't.

I don't know. If I could, I could, I would much rather you tell me when it happened right away and let me deal with it and figure out whether I want to stay with you or not, and then we go from there as a posed like, but did she find out like she saw something and she asked him and then he admitted it, or he came out and was like ten years he admitted it, Like he came out to her and said ten years ago, che did. Yeah, I don't know predicament, But like you said, what works

for one doesn't work for the other. Like, it's very circumstantial. It depends on the case. So I hope. I hope for her sake she finds happiness wherever it is. What is your go to binge watch TV shows? Ela May Oh, Euphoria, God, Love Love You, Oh my God. I'm obsessed, but I really don't watch that much TV, to be honest. I think somebody was just telling me I need to watch what's the show called? I can't even remember. I think

Euphoria was probably the last thing I binged. Ye was your high school like even ten percent like Euphoria, not that I know of either. I was completely out of the loop and was like not part of the cool kids or yeah, no it wasn't. But I do understand how it's changed. I graduated high school ten years ago. Social media I think has really like just changed. Like I let my my son sixteen, and I let him

watch Euphoria, and you know, he's a good kid. So I was just like, yeah, dude, but that shit better not be going on at your school, right, But he said that, He's like, no, there's kids who fucking will come to school super high. He was like, there's kids to sell pills, Like my damn yeah. I think the most that happened when I was in high school was

like weed. I remember one time my some of my friends came to school drunk, but like it was such a one off that like they made it so hot, like they made it so bait that they were drunk that they got found out. So, which this is how you know you don't do this on a regulation right, right, because you got caught. Yeah you got caught, But they were just doing the most. But that was probably the only time I remember that other than people like who

would smoke after school? I guess, but the Shouters and there she's a incredible Jesus amazing, it's actually wild amazing. Yeah, she should get all the awards for that show, like her acting and that show is amazing. Yeah, so just just euphoria. Yeah, that's all I can think of right now. I really don't know about any classics, like you ever watch friends, my wife and kids, watch my wife? I love my wife and kids. I don't even know I've heard of the show which guys in it? Who's in it?

Are you? Are you being are you actually being serious? Let me just look up. Listen, there's so many Tisha Campbell's Damon Damon, which I get confused by all of them, Damon Way uh uh, Paul and McKenna when she was really I remember the show, Yes, yeah, I never watched it though, Oh my god, how can you not? I don't know. I'm not really into like besides, like if

I'm like going super old. I loved like Martin Seinfeld hanging with mister Cooper, but like kind of the newer sitcoms, I just kind of just didn't tap in, you know what. I can't always been binge watching I'll never get tired of. That's so raven. That's so raven. See, I'm totally I mean, I know who that I know the show, I know who. Shout out to her, Raven Simone, but I never watched it. That's so raven. Was like almost like my like I

thought I was raven. My kids would watch The Sweet Life with Zach and Cochy, so that was like, you know, like Disney Disney Channel era. So like Lisa Maguire, I'm obviously older than you, Okay, Okay, yeah, no, I think kids. I could always been Shout out to Damon Wayns. Have you ever seen Major Payne with Damon Wayns? You gotta watch a movie. I was gonna say, is that movie? Yeah, it's a movie. Yeah, shout out to the movies. Yo. We got to stop the interview real quick. Shout out

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get back to the interview. You know it's crazy too, because like I feel like I was just we just had Junior Troy up here is obviously from the UK, and we were kind of talking about how like, you know, for so long, I feel like, obviously your genre music is very receptive in the States, but for so long, I feel like, you know, it was like a little harder for UK artists to kind of break over here kind of doing UK shit. But I feel like, you know, drill is kind of changing the drill, and I don't

think a lot of people understand that. Like obviously, drill started in Chicago, but like the UK drill scene is what inspired the Brooklyn drill scene. And I just feel like right now in the States, like the UK's got its fingerprints on everything, Like yeah, I mean a lot of stuff, you know what I mean, And I think like I don't know what happened, but you know, obviously, like yourself, Ed sheering Adele, you know, you guys are superstars.

But in terms of just like you know, I guess because I feel like I know afrobeat is you know a lot of that's but I feel like I feel like that popped off in the UK first, and then yeah, afrobeat so jo you talking about afrobeats. Yeah, that's been

a thing in the UK forever. Yeah, forever, literally, I think so, like you said, social media makes things a lot more accessible and makes people like as crazy as it is because there's a lot of stuff on there that we really don't need to take care of course, of course, it's also great in terms of just like being able to reach people or things being able to reach you that you would have never known if you were just I don't know, in the middle of America

somewhere randomly and you don't really travel or something like that. So yeah, I think social media plays a big role in that. Also, Yeah, it's crazy. Since your last album came out, TikTok has been a it's became a thing. TikTok is wild. I don't feel like you. I mean, listen, there's no music for TikTok, but I don't feel like you're like a you know, a TikTok artist, not really at all, right, but like it is. It is the things that go viral on TikTok, there's no explanation behind them.

It just happens. But like is the label like in your head about TikTok now, oh lord, because it's I can only imagine it's extremely obnoxious. I can't stand TikTok is, so it's such a fucking headache, even for me. I don't have it. I don't have TikTok on my phone. I have a TikTok, I don't run it. But it's very It's funny to me because I just saw something where I think it was Charlie XCX and she was like, this is my eighth TikTok that my label are trying

to force me to do blah blah blah. She was joking, but like I felt her so much because it but like I understand it. Obviously a label trying to make that money. Of course, that's where the attentions at. Yeah, that's where the attention is right now, and I'm sure in a couple of years it will be something else. And the kids love TikTok and it's just such a ridiculous platform. Yeah I don't. I've never personally gotten into it.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it obviously, but it's just thank God because you'd be on your phone just scrolling because that album they got the best algorithm in the world on TikTok. They got to figure it out. Speaking of algorithm algorithm just in general. Right now, I feel like on social media is just like really weird. I'm trying to understand what's going on. Yeah, it's I

don't know. Twitter is a wild place right now. Twitter's always been the wild wild West, though it is Twitter platform. You know what what I hate about Twitter is if someone you know is a creep and they like some nasty shit on Twitter, you see it, it pops up on your feet and it says so and so like this, and I'm like, what the fuck I didn't want to see this? Yeah. No, I think I think Twitter is weir a weird place because I think Twitter gives people

a reason to think that their opinion is fat. Yeah. I think that's what's wrong. And don't get me wrong. Twitter is hilarious. That's part of Twitter that is just

like we'll have you really really dying. But anybody types anything and it can go viral, especially now, and then they think that like their opinion, yeah, for their experts, they're super educated about something and it's like, bro, your opinion is in fact, it can be obviously people agree with it, yes, But now now we've got people walking around thinking that they like know everything, and it's just like, are you a fan of Elon Musk trying to buy

Twitter and fix it up? I don't really have an opinion on it, to be honest, I don't know enough about him to Do you have a tesla? I don't know, not yet. With these gas prices you might need to get Listen, it's crazy. I don't understand what not even just gas prices though, but just like inflation in general, it's just like it's actually wild right now. I went to buy Hamburger meat and I was like how much? What? It was like fucking nineteen dollars? What? It was crazy? Yeah, yeah, inflation.

There's a baby formula shortly. I've heard about that. Yeah, the gas prices are crazy. Shit's wild right now. It's still kind of in a pandemic. Did you buy Like, are you a homeowner? If you don't mind me asking, So, you got to buy a house. You probably got a good interest rate? Then, uh yeah I did, because right now the interest rates were yeah, no it was it was a little while ago. Okay, okay, oh, then you're

you're rich. You're up, you're super up. I mean you're rich anyway, but like you're up on the house for sure. I mean I guess for sure. I just buy my first house so well, not my first house ever, but my first house in LA. It was expensive, I think, and honestly, and I've lived now in three major cities I live obviously, I'm from London. I've lived in New York,

I live in LA. I like to like go back and forth, but I'm I'm so used to the city that, like if I was to go down south, and I understand, it's like so much cheaper down there, and then you can get a lot more for your money, but like, I just have to. I don't think I can function in somewhere that's not like a city, right, like a major city, right, and they're always expensive. Like which out of those three places, obviously London is home, But just in terms of livability, what do you like the most

New York, London or LA. I'd probably say here. Yeah, I'll tell you this. I go to New York and I understand why everyone's there is like an asshole loky, you know what I mean. It's a very like imagine like every everybody's just walking to work and you're next to them, and then you have to take the train

with everyone quite similar. Everyone's in a rush. No one London like when like you know, you always hear like if in New York, if you get mugged, like everyone just keeps it moving, and I'm like I went and I was like, dude, I get it. Now you see some of the stuff that happens, like in in the subway in New York. Like if you like on Twitter,

I'll just see the wildest stuff that happens. And it's just like people just like if you're on the train right and someone like starts breaking out, dancing or just doing random stuff obviously for social media, but like new Yorker's are not even affected by out. They mind their fucking business. Literally, you would think nothing's going with New York is like the king of mining your business, and it's the capital of mining your fucking business. Yeah, you

go to New York, people don't give a fuck. They are trying to get home, they're trying to get to work. I get it, though, Yeah, I just stand it. I completely understand it, and I think London's similar. It's not I don't think it's as like, it's definitely as fast paced, I would say, but I think people are a little more what's the right word hospitable. Yeah, Like if something's happening, I think someone will at least try and help or

whatever else. Do you feel like London gets a bad rap on food because anytime I ever hear about UK food, everyone says it's super bland and it's yeah, but I understand why. I think you have to obviously know where to go. I think that's anywhere, and I think that a lot of the places, even in any city actually that I've been in, a lot of the good food is not obviously in the touristy parts. That's like the

I tell people to get off yelp. Yeah, that's the but that's the generic food, Like you know, they're trying to appease a lot of different people. Because this is a tourist area. You have to go to like the hood or go to like the real cultured places in order to get good food. I think that's most places that I've been to be fair lastic breakdown. Just the name of your album part of my sleeve. Yeah, I mean it's pretty much what it says. I think I wear my arm and not even I think I know,

I know you do. Yeah, just in general, Yeah, it was a great listen, a great album. Thank you. I'm assuming there's videos already shot that are coming soon. Tour coming, Yeah, we're planning it right now. So definitely. Are you excited to get back on the road. It's my favorite part of all of this touring, Yes, going and seeing the people singing along to your songs. Is there like anything

that feels better than that? When you're performing a song and you got, you know, all these people singing word for word, It's literally unmatched. It's the best feeling ever I can only imagine. Yeah, well, Ellen, may I appreciate you coming through, Thank you, thank you for having me. Go get the album, Yes, and go watch my wife and kids.