#163 Paul Wall & Termanology

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left hand I might thank me. All right, yo, let's get into this interview though, Paul Wall Terminology Man, the butleg Cat Podcast. All right, Man Boulet Cad Show special guests in here, my guys, Paul Wall Terminology, Man, you guys have come together for a project. What is the name of the album? Start to finish? Oh, by the way, it's right here. Yeah, yeah, by the way, I love the artwork. Start to finish now, Paul, you've obviously you're

no stranger. Neither of you are strangers to collapse projects, right, nineteen eighty two is a brand. It's crazy you've done joint albums. It kind of came into the game with Acha Millionaire doing color color change and click. What made this just such an easy thing to happen? Man? Static, Yeah, static, static, Yeah, for sure. Do both of us with just you know,

dope mcs of course. You know. So it's something that maybe might be abstract us coming together in some people's minds because our styles are so different, right, but the core elements of our styles are similar with Dope. We care about the craft, We care about the art of it. You know, we care about how it sounds. Not We're not trying to do nothing gimmicky or nothing like that. We're trying to be true to who we are, true to hip hop, true to whatever we represent. And that's

the same thing with both of us. So it was an easy natural fit me and Static. You know, we kind of kicked it off when we did a project together called Gift Thanks Yep, and we did a song on there, and after that song, you know, we we really just messed good. We vibe real good. We got to be great friends, you know what I'm saying. And the next thing, you know, we did a song with Pete Rock and then from there it's like, you know what,

maybe project together and it's done. It's crazy part because like I feel like people who might be just like surface level fans of what you do and haven't really been paying attention to what you've been up to the last like ten years, will be like yo, Paul Wall

or Pete Rock, Static selector like man. I talked to him about that all the time, and I thank him and Static for that opportunity because normally if like you said, just the casual Paul Wall fans, there's a box that I'm in, and if I do anything outside of that box, it's like what is he doing? They don't you know,

you don't even get a chance to do it. But to be able to spin on static selector beats or Pete Rock beats or Terminology beat, man, it was you know, definitely it brought someth out of me that I fell in love with, you know, like I said, with the gift Thanks, it was like, man, this is the greatest thing I ever did in terms of hip hop in my mind, and then a lot of people in mind, people who hear it. Because a lot of people haven't

heard it. It's kind of under the radar. But uh, you know the people who have heard it, they like, man, where is this? Man? We need some more of this. So of course, you know, doing the the it won't start to finish. This is like a part two for me to get thinks, yeah, to be able to to express myself on these type of beats in a different way because it brings something out of you different than if I'm rapping on you know, one of my Texas slab type of beats. So it just brings something out

of me and I think them all the time. Man, thank you for this opportunity to showcase this type of talent to an audience that will be open to it. You know, some people they might not want to hear. They might want to only meet talking about grills of me right right right right, you know, doing like I said, some slab music or something. Do you get the free

grill off the rip? Because you got the album? We go get we go get my grill fitted last time I went to Uston to shoot the videos and we were just running and gunning, like we did three videos, four videos in like forty eight hours. So you know, I can get to and get my ship yet, but I'm definitely gonna get them. How is the real business? Because I feel like it's made I feel like there was like a small little timer trying to died out.

But it's back man. This is a you know, it's as a businessman in any type of business, there's always gonna be cycles. Of course, things are gonna come and go, and you gotta adjust to the cycle. You gotta just to the consumer. You got to try to find a way to you know, reconnected with the consumers, and you know, the cultures would dictate the grills, you know, so we can sit there and sell them all day, we can do whatever we will come up. We come up with

all the new styles all day. But if the culture don't want it, then it's dead. So it was a time when you know, it's like grills came from being an underground thing to being mainstream to being everybody's got grills, and it's no longer something cultural is now everyday mainstream fad or trend. With all fads and trends, they come

and go. So when it became the national trend, you know, it's like the underground and the culture of the streets was like, man, fuck we wear Once Nelly dropped grills, did it was like, well, it's kind of like that. That brought the peak and then it took it to the next level. And then it was like, oh my god, where do we go and grills? But then they came back when the youth came with them. The new generation was like, man, I want some grills, and they coming

to get grills. They brought it back to where now I feel like it's a mainstay of jewelry. Where change real earing grill help me eat with the hygiene perspective of grills, because a lot of grown ass men I know have metal in their mouth have the worst fucking breath on the planet. This is this is a known thing. I'm like, bro, get the fuck out of here with that fucking backward grill breath. Brouh. Yeah, man, how do you prevent the breath from smelling like shit? If you

have a grill, proper hygiene whatever. Normal hygiene is recommended, which is brushing your teeth two times a day, two to three times a day. But who brush their teeth three times a day two times a day and clean your grills out? You know some people eat with them, or they smoke with them, or they drink coffee or whatever with them. Well, think about it. You're doing that and you're not cleaning them and stuff staying in there. It's creating bacteria. It's going to stink, and your breath

is gonna stink. And a lot of people they'll put on the grills and to them it's a or I don't need to burst my teeth because I got grills. It's a mental thing. It's a mental thing where you feel like you don't have to. But it's also to me,

you just got to get on the schedule. No matter what I brust my teeth in the morning when I wake up, whether I feel like it's well well, whether I ate something that morning or ate something the night before, anything right, Always brush your teeth in the morning, Always brush your teeth at night. But them thing grills, Man, there's something sire. But let me tell you, man, let me tell you this, Corey Blunt shout out to Corey Blunt OG's triple O g slab originator. Man. Okay, he

had permanent gold teeth. He went to the fest for thirty years, came out, got new gold teeth, so he got the old ones, removed his teeth underneath parently white. Nothing wrong with them. So you can have permanent grills for thirty plus years and nothing go wrong with your teeth. Now, most people will get permanent grills. They not flossing or brushing the teeth every day. So of course, if you don't floss, you don't brush your teeth, you don't take

care of yourself, it's gonna get rotten. And you can see them horror stories and people with permanent gold teeth they take them out. Man, it ain't it's not good. And this is just normal grown up shit. That's regular shit. Though. He's supposed to brush your teeth right right, That's why he tries see a lot of kids before we bring it to school. You bunch your teeth, Like, come on, that's the first show you love. Have you ever had

someone like? You know, we hear about people who get like they'll go to like rent attire and rent their wheels. Is there is there a grill bill a rental grill? Yeah? Can someone? Can someone get a note on a grill from you? We definitely do payment plans and things like that, but in terms of renting the grills, you know, they're all custom made. No, not running. I just mean in terms of like if I want to come in and like I got I only got ten percent? Can I get oh yeah, like buy it on lay away kind

of yeah, for sure. Now we don't make payments, like we'll take it in and you can pay us later, but we'll take it like a lay away plan. And then when you get to a certain point, okay, but now you can take the you pull them off to the side and say, hey, buddy, U priorities. Just tell Sometimes when you see people who they hit their first liquor, they're just coming up, they just made some money, and now they want to blow it all on some jury.

I definitely have just been some times. But I'm like, look, listen, your businessman, different jewelry. Yeah. Yeah, But but just the human in me is like, man, I'm gonna see this person in a couple of years, and they're gonna, you know, I'm in my mind, they're gonna feel a certain way. Or they blew all their money on Drew and they

lost it all and have noneing and so forth. But the fact is a lot of those people don't care when they blow it all on Drewry and I see him five years later and they're they're like proud, Yeah, man, remember when I came in here and blue fifty grand mentality thing. You're proud of that? Like they ain't, Man, where the jeury at? I don't know where it's at. I lost it. Anyway, I'm gonna go put some gas in my ultimate. Yeah, I pun it crazy. Did you I saw that bun put together the Houston rodeo thing?

Were you part of that? Yeah? Man? Thank they thank you bum beef for putting that man. It was some sirre. Now, the Houston Rodeo for me just came on. I know it's the biggest rodeo, right, but me and my wife been watching Yellowstone If y'all seen that shit, Yeah that man. Yeah, Kevin Costa bron dudn't dunn't wrench man put me up in that bunk house anyway. So I was like, my wife says, you want me to dress like rip, You

need to dress like rib that's funny. But I was like be and my wife friend like, I was like, yeah, we should go to the rodeo. I want to go. You know, let's just go. Yeah, let's just go. Fucking it's a crazy atmosphere. And it's explaining it to somebody who's not like from Texas or from Houston or who's a part of that. Then it's like it's trying to you know, it's like foreign. But okay, it's a rodeo, livestock shong rodeo in Houston where they actually do livestock contest.

You know this cow won this prize, this whatever one. Then there's actual rodeo where there's cowboys out there, you know. Last on some you know, bulls or whatever. They got the whatever rodeo stuff they got with you on the horse, so yeah, they bucking you off all of that type. They got a little kid one where they got kids riding on sheep trying to hang on. There's some Texas

ship for real. It definitely, it definitely is. Then there's the fair part of it with all the food, you know, the because it's it's not like the stadium, right, yeah, it's where where the Texans play. Yes, oh yes, people, it's huge. The parking lot is huge. So it's definitely. It's like a couple of weeks long. And they you know, usually it is mostly country artists, but there will have

some Tehano artists. Uh. You know Selena was when she did the Rodeo, that's like one of the most historic concerts ever, like just it's like when she did the Rodeo, that's like the original Woodstock concert, like the type of history that goes with it. And then you know Cardi B did They traditionally don't have hip hop. Cardi B do it. Cardi B did it, and I think Chance the Rapper did it, and I think those are the

only rappers. Bum Bee came out as a special guest for Leon Bridges, and I think maybe for Beyonce when Beyonce was there. But in terms of the rappers headline and it was only Cardi B and Chance the rappers. So for Houston hip hop, it was who all didn have a part of the show. He had a it was like a medley of artists, you know. He had Lele shout out to Leile, she's on I think Disney Nickelodeon.

She's also a rapper from Houston. Uh uh. Then he had h Town, somebody rocking Boots, Yeah, LaToya Luckett, myself, Slim Thug Zero, Devin the Dude, Ronnie Spencer, Willie d came out, esg Little Kiky Communionaire came out. Toby in the big way, Toby so Fire. Yeah. Yeah, Well I watched it on YouTube because I was there like a couple of weeks before in Houston with Paul and and Bud and Bo was telling me, like, yo, to him, this is the biggest shit I've ever done in my life. Man.

He's like, you don't understand like ninety thousand people and this is our hood. So he's explained, you know, I had never even heard of that shit. So he's explaining it to me. So after they did it, I'm like, yo, let me go on YouTube and watch it. It's like an hour long to Medley. So I watched it, and one of my favorite things was not only did he put on every single artist from his hood, like every artist ever, He didn't miss nobody he brought out like

everybody that he kept changing his fits. The fits was so fly. He got the Cowboys shit, then like j Prince come out with the with the Cowboys shit. It was just so like ill, like he kept going in the back, come out with a different fur coat, like all this different fla ship that was That's what I thought was fly, like put on your people's And so the only person who could really probably pull that off

was Bun Yeah, man for sure. Man. And like I was saying about the Selena thing, when she performed, she had this iconic dress that she wore. It was like a purple dress, you know. You know when j Lo wore that green dress to the Grammars. Everybody the same way.

So that's how you know some of the people that you know came to perform, it was just you know, they they I don't think they grasped the magnitude until they were there, kind of because but definitely the people who were into it were like, man, we should one for so man, J Prince, you know you want to wear something that's gonna be iconic, that people gonna remember for years. Man, that's you know he such war that at the rodeo. You know what the record did you do?

I did Still Tipping with Slim Thug, and then I did Sitting Sideways with Big Poky. Big Poky was there also a little I'm remembering all the people that little flip was there? No flip was there? Shots and flip a couple of records, think it. But you know once again with the closed I think buns changes about four times. Yeah yeah, but watch that on YouTube when you get a minute. Like the fits he had was crazy. He went from like urban hip hop to straight cowboy shit

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to the interview. You know, it's crazy because like and when I was in high school and you guys have kind of had that. The first Houston run I want to say that was like four h five oh three. Yeah, and uh it felt very I remember there was like the Double XL cover or the Source cover with Don't Mess with Texas. Everybody was on the cover. Slim Thug signed the Star Trek like you you were doing your thing. I mean, Switched House was a movement. There are so

many artists now from Houston. Like when we think of Travis Scott, like Travis Scott's one of the biggest arists in the world, right and he obviously bangs Houston heavy, astra world all that. But like, I feel like, I don't know if it feels like there's like a unison movement out of the city with the newer artists. Do you feel because back then it felt like there was a real movement cohesive mo. Yeah, well yeah, I don't

think it's necessarily is now. When we came out, the movement was a little different because there was a Screwed Up Click artist and the Switch House artist, and it was a similar style of rap where you know, we had similar subject matter, similar type of slow down type

of beats. Of course, you know, we switch House. We got the style from Screw But being that there was the Screw all the artists that were around at the time, at our time, you know, the switch House and Screw Up Click artists, we had a you know, the movement was there because we had a similar style, we had

a similar fan base all of that. Whereas now you got Lizzo, uh, Normani making the style and Maxo Cream, Toby newig Way, Sauce Walker, Travis Scott, Don Tolliver, where everyone's got their own vibe, Don Tolliver, Travis Yeah, Don Toliver, Travis Scott got similar style, but it's way different than Toby, and that's completely different than Saucewalker. And that's so different

than Normani or Izzo, you know. So it's you know, it's it's and there's not to mention all of the other Houston artists that are like blowing up right now on TikTok or the non traditional methods that we came up that I don't even know about yet, but they popping and you know, getting fifty thousand the show and I don't even know them. You know, that those artists out there too, where they building their fan bases up,

you know, outside of the Houston, you know market. And I think that's a little bit why too where you know, when we came, we repped Texas to the full of well they also do. But when people played our music, they played it as a pride thing too. They're repping Texas by playing on music where and you guys had

a very unison like sonic movement. I feel like where it'd be like even if you listen to like already Platinum from Slim Thug, even with for real production, you'd be like, nah, this is some texts shit exactly exactly. But all the artists there, they still rep Htown, Like you said, sure, they're not kind of known as being htown. Well, when you think of us, he's like, oh htown Texas. You know, what, is there any plan to get you

in a chamillionaire ship up on the DSPs anywhere. I'll be trying to talk, man, he making too much money. He gotta go broke before we do something. I'm like, bro I kind of getting too much. Keep pulling up all these shitty quality links on YouTube, and that PIF when I seen him on at the rodeo, and that's the first thing I said, All right, well we were gonna get get you my correct part too. I told him, Man, we need to drop them as an nf T. Man,

we can drop it as a pre sale. Well we ain't dropping until we pre sale one hundred thousand, bro, I'm telling you got too much money. Man. Your guys ship was like to me, like I used to sell a lot of mixtapes to swap me during that era, and that was kind of to me, like the very underrated, Like when I that's my favorite shit from y'all to go back and listen to. I've been trying though. I've

been trying, man. Yo. It's so crazy too, because even like you said, like the screwed up shit was so wild in that time, like I would have everyone hit me. All my homies from A Z would be like, Yo, could you screw and chop the fifty cent album for me? Yeah? Yeah? Or like everybody like really there was like a like in Phoenix, you know, everybody wanted every album to be chopped and screwed. And my cousin was one of those guys. I didn't fucking I was like bron I mean yeah, yeah,

like I don't get that. Maybe I'm not on lean. I don't know what it is, but no, it's crazy. But it's good to see you guys coming together in twenty twenty two. Man. Term of course you're always active, Yeah, of course, I feel like you're always dropping. How many albums are you in? So far? I got forty four projects? Hell, but you got I don't know, get to work. I had about forty two. I don't think he gotta save them out. I just think it. You know, maybe he

just didn't count him, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, we yeah, man, we wrapped, that's what we do. I mean, you gotta be north at twenty at least with all the joint product. I think he got forty yeah, because you know, a lot of them don't come up on a DSPs, you know what I mean. So I'm counting all of them like from not like demos, I'm kind of like the real ones with the barcodes and actually forty four forty four yeah, wow, it's about five done too,

just sitting there. So that are coming soon? Yeah, because you know, one at a time, you know what I'm saying. That's got to be some nice just residual catalog income coming there. It's pretty cool. I have a joke on my daughter, right. She used to wake up and go to school in the morning, and she'd be mad as hell at me. She'd be like, why do you get to sleep all day? Like she'd be mad because she waking up at six teeth but looking at me in

the bed like bye. So I had to sit it down with them, like I make money when I sleep every day. I don't have to go to work. I have to go to school. I already put in my work. So what you gotta do is figure out how you're gonna do a bunch of things that will make you money while you're sleeping. And like I broke that down to her. She she you know, she's only ten. She

already gets it. So I get it data. I'm gonna write books, I'm gonna sell art, I'm gonna make jewry so that way people can go on my website and buy it while I'm at school and I'm making money. And I'm like, exactly, you know, that's that's what it is.

You know. I feel like if you're an independent artist and you're not always dropping, you're you're slipping, cause it's like, like you said, you're just adding to like it's free money your I mean yeah, and it's and the overhead of making music nowadays is not what it used to be, right, Like you used to have to go to the studio and having it like now if like if you really

you could record at your house. Yeah, in fact, you're doing it on your I phone if you if you don't really want to, I mean, to make that album would have cost us, you know, ten times more ten years ago, twenty years ago. So basically everybody on there

is our friend. Yeah, I know, I'm seeing of course bunn Is on the album out to White's pea Shot, Crooked Eyes on there, Yepnams grilling ems been around a long time, Shine, That's what we love though we you know, me and Paul we kind of like some we're underdogs, Like you know what I'm saying. People know my name all through the industry. I got a lot of die hard fans. Obviously Paul has had commercial success, but still we you know, we still feel like we still want

people to hear what we got to say. So he's still kind of like an underdog. How do you feel about it because your areas. Finally, I feel like there's some bias nationally, right, and she's been doing her thing for a very long time. But it was good to see her finally breakthrough. Exactly. It's had to be a Milli's is going crazy killing it. Uh, there's always I just feel like Boston's always kind of been a u underappreciated or maybe just there hasn't been a big of enough.

I mean it's really been you and Static, really be Static and slave for a long time. Yeah, you know what I mean. Uh, the first generation was like ed O g Uh, you know, Almighty Hour Sou, you know, Big Sugar Guru started Gangstar. So you know, the eighties to the early nineties. You know, being at Boston is so close to New York. There is a golden era of Boston hip hop. And then that next wave was like you know, Esoteric, who does our face now? Missed

the Lift? The Underground that right then that next right crumb Snatcher, that scientific recipece from Lawrence. So like that was the original eighties and nineties wave and then me Static Slain Rex we came after and we held it down for like ten whole years. It was just us like it wasn't it wasn't nothing for sure. For sure. Then now this era we got like via Millie's uh, what's the name joining Lucas cousin stairs this how far is joining from Boston. He like forty five minutes. You know,

Lucas is going crazy. He fired too. So it's just like now it's starting to get you know, the artists are starting to get national recognition, which feels good for the city because for a long time, like I said, it was just me and Static and slain. You know, was it hard to get over the stereotype of being from Boston because I feel like when people think of Boston, they think of racist white people. They do. But you know, like you said, I'm from Lawrence, which is way different.

Everybody's Puerto Rican and Dominican and Lawrence. So not's a beautiful woman in Lauren. Yeah, you know the vibes. So it's like in my city, it's it's more like the Bronx. It's the little Bronx. So that's that's kind of been my mission was to put the nine seven eight, put Lawrence on the map since I came in the game when I had the Kate Swiss deal. I was in all the Double Excels for nine months, Kate Swiss, all

this Lawrence Mass, Lawrence Mass. You know, uh, Double Excel Show, Improved Lawrence Mass, Source Unsigned Hype, Lawrence Mass, BT ciphered with Fresh Montana Lawrence Mass. So that was my thing, was like put Lawrence on the map and differentiate us from Boston, but still rep Boston because Boston is the capitol. Of course, you know, with this album, who like you say you started this project? Did he started? We kind

of started it together. But the thing is he had a few sessions with Static on his own, and then I had a few sessions with Static, and then we just started kind of messing everything together fire. I think I think, uh, maybe the Pete Rock song we did, which was one of the earlier ones we did where it was like, you know, the first one we did was probably want to Give Thanks. It was us together, but then I think the Pete Rock might have been

like second or third after that. And when we you know, we're on a pete rock beat, that's huge for me, Oh my god, huge for anybody anybody. So both of us, you know, we're just talking about that, like, man, we can't believe we're on a peat rock beat together, Like that's dope, and that that really kind of brought us and the way we kind of came on there to bring both of our styles together, you know what I'm saying. It was like that was kind of like one of

the main dominoes that knocked the race down. And then Thailand was next. Yea, Thailand was next where it was like, made that beat. I made that, and that's that's the one we're butler it. After that, that's when he was like, yo, you got something else, you got something. That's when it was like we had three and it's like, bro, you got three, you might as well do a project at that point, why not. It's like you know how some actors will be like, Okay, I want to go do

a movie with Quentin Tarantino. I'll do it for free. I just want to do it for free. That's how it was doing this type of facts with the where I don't mean money wise, because that's never an issue or topic, but it's just the opportunity to do this type of music with people that you admire, respect, inspire you, people that are iconic and legendary. It was like man, we couldn't wait to get in the studio on any beat, any the static or the Center, so Pete Rock or yeah, man,

we could not wait. And every every time we do something it was exactly that. It was like working with Denzel or working with whoever. You know what I'm saying, This is one of the easiest projects I've done, Like Pause, the easiest guy to work with, Like so easy. I've had people who are not even close to his status of an artist act like a diva with me, And I mean that should happen to a lot. It happens. And that's just you get the D list artists that

that act crazy with you. People are just if they act like that when they get a little bit of cloud. They've always been weenies. Right, Yeah, that's a funny word. I heard that word fucking weenies. Man. For you, like,

you've had so many different errors of your career. I feel like, you know, obviously the way things kicked off and then you started to uh kind of hang with Travis a lot and the Expensive Taste, and you know you collab You collaborate with so many artists over your career, man, Like, what has kind of been like outside of this project like your other favorite collab project you've been a part of. Oh, definitely the ones with my heroes. You know. I got

one with Slim Thug that I love. It's, you know, very under the radar. I got one with Little Kiki that, oh my god, you can put that in my grave, you know, put that in my cast and when I die. I got one with Richter Factor that we haven't released yet. I got one with the Jack Arrest in Peace did all right, Yeah we haven't. We did that and like I was an eight or something, I was and nine and we just never released it and one day it'll come out. But that one's amazing too. A few collad

projects I got with you know, different producers. I got a collad project with Day One we haven't released yet. So I got a lot of the unreleased. But you know, I think that in terms of most favorite, it is probably definitely a little Kiky and the risk of Factor one that that hasn't come out yet, but I'm looking forward to it. Man me and DJ Fresh thinking about doing one together. We're talking about it. So it's a

It's a few I like doing. Even when I was making albums, I would like to have like a vibe or feel to it to where Okay, I got a main producer. We got a main producer who produced you know, eight or how many tracks, right, and then a few other producers I fuck with to do the rest. But at least there's gonna be a core sound, you know what I'm saying, where it's one main producer doing so even now I've been doing that like a little further,

like boring that a little bit more. Where I do the whole project is one producer, where it's a whole vibe. And you know, it take a little while to get to where you want to go as you work together with the producer raking, you know, because they might have their ideas. You got their ideas, your ideas, and you just you know, mesh them together. But you know when when you get to go in with just to me, that brings back the you know, the when I fell in love with hip hop. That's how it was. It

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You met Kanye. You said y'all were cool. I had. I had met him at a at an interview. We were all doing like a big interview one time, and I talked to him about making him some grills. And then from there that's what kind of led to you know, Playing Past saying, hey, I know you met Kanye. You know who, why don't we try to do a song together. Of course I'm like, yeah, of course, And he said, I asked Kanye. He said he down with it. But you know, he might not use your verse. You know,

he might not use the song at all. He might take you off, Dona. You know what I'm saying. That's basically what he was telling me. That shit, you might get on there. He might not like it, so if you do, don't be mad. But it's an opportunity. And I'm like, shit, you ain't gotta tell me. I know what, even back then, before he was just Kanye the producer, you know, people didn't really respect his bars, but at that time I did. I loved his bars. I didn't

like his beats. I thought his bars was way doper than his beats at the time, because that particular style when he was sampling a lot of the soul samples I was into because a lot of them sou samples didn't have to beat the bass or they would have it, but it would come in and out so that they could highlight the samples. And you know, it just is what it is. I have my particular style I like,

but it's bars I love. And I hear him talking about that, how people didn't want him to rap, they only want him to make beats, and I'm like, what now, y'all crazy? This man was spinning. But you know, when I had even from then, I knew the opportunity was their amazing opportunity to get on a song with Kanye West, and I didn't think he was going to use it. I went in there actually, the verse I I did for actually was the original verse I had wrote for

Sitting Sideways. When I did Sitting Sideways. At first, it was the first time I had ever did a song with Big Pokey, and Little Kikey was on it too, and it was the first time I had ever did a song with Lok Kiki. But the record label Atlantic said, hey, big Pokey is not signed to anybody, He's an independent artist. Litk Kiky's not signed to anybody. He's an independent artist. You be and me pow Wow the artists who signed

the Atlantic Pow Wow. The artists were trying to push Pow Wow album's ones were trying to sell I know, these your homeboys, but you can't put them both on it. You can put one of them on there. And I'm trying to explain, like, man, look, they're not just my homeboys. These are the originators of the sound, you know, these are the originators of the Houston culture. Like it's bigger than just somebody I like and listen to. But they didn't really see it or get it. And I don't know,

maybe they were right. They you know, we ended up having to take somebody out. We took a little Kiky Off Big Pokey was on the sample, so I felt like, well, if he was on the hook, so I felt like, well, if we're gonna sample him for the hook, we should give him a verse on there as well, you know. And at the end of the day, even though it was my song, I felt like, it's a really big Pokey song because it's his sample for the hook, you know. But I originally had a verse that I wrote because

this is how I used to write. I used to get like brain fog. So if I'm anywhere and I hear music going, I can't think because the music is just is just distracting me, or you know, I'm talking to you, or I'm looking at the plaques on the walls, focusing on my verse. So I would get a beat, get the tempo, maybe come up with an opening bar, and then go into the bathroom where it's quiet, going to my car outside where it's completely silent and just right and silence, so all I can focus on is

just my verse. So sometimes I do that, come back and lay it, and the tempo will be a little off because I'm right not to the beat. Yeah, I go back in there and it's a little so that's kind of how it was. I went in there, I spit the verse, my original verse, which ended up being the drive Slow verse, and my boy Tif Ferris was like, it was me little Kiky and big Pokey and why at the very beginning of the song say it's big Pokey, little Kiky and power wild Baby. But they had to

mute out the little keky. So it's big Pokey and wild baby. See what you hear? You be like, okay, damn they did mute it out. Well anyway, Tie Ferris say, look, man, the verse hard Naw, I ain't saying as whack, but it don't go with the beat. It just don't flow with the beat. I really think you should write a new verse because you already got to write a new one anyway to replace little Keys verse. So I really think you should write two new verses that go to

this song. Just try it. And I was like, man, you're crazy. This verse hard? You crazy? Tie Ferris was like my coach. He was like the main person that believed in me. He saw the vision for it when I couldn't see it. When I thought I was over and done, you know, in two thousand and two, when I thought I was over and done. That was the end of my That's what everybody in Houston was telling

me to. By the way, I wouldn't ship with I. Come in there, tie fair, come and say, man, look, I believe in your best days in front of you, not behind you. Man, I don't think you better would come here. Of course y'all dope together, but I think you dope being yourself. He really kind of gave me that encourage me and bleed in me. And when I didn't, when I thought it was over, so okay, he's telling me, Man, okay, this is verse hard, but redo it. I'm like, man,

he crazy and any kind of snapping my mind. I could see the disappointment in his face. And he's like, all right, if you don't, if you don't want, you don't even want to try. It's cool. You're the artist. It's your word. Whatever you say, I'm gonna go with it. But I just think he's try it's cool. And I said, man, you know what I'm letting my I'm letting my coach down, man, Phil Jackson, call up a play. I'm not gonna be scotted pipping on the bench now. I ain't going in again,

right you ain't give me the ball. I ain't going again now. Man, I'm my coach calling to play. He knows something or he sees something, or he's playing something that I don't comprehend yet don't matter. I'm not the coach, he's the coach. I gotta let him do his job of coach. And at the very least I could try it, and if it's whack, we ain't got to use it. So I said, okay, I'm gonna try the two new verses.

Boom that's sitting sideways. But I had that original verse in my pocket, like okay, I'm I know I'm saying some shit on here. I'm gonna save this for if you know, jay Z want me on the verse or you know what I'm saying, or somebody want me on something. And I've been out all night and I ain't got time, and we in the studio like man, and it's a big major opportunity. Oh, come and use it for that. So when plain Pat hit me and say I got something, I think and I say, man, first thing I thought

was man in verse said when found it? Right found? And I used to say, because we'll write out, we'll write out versus and sometimes you know, the hard driver crash or something. So if you don't have it saved somewhere, well rest in peace to your verse. Ye. So I learned a lesson, man. I got to save the written verses. So somewhere I got the actual written verse somewhere. You know,

yeah is coming, man, It's coming for sure. When it worked it, I laid it playing past, say man, look, I did it at my studio senter to him playing past, say look, I don't like it, but he wants you to come out here to La and lay it because he got a few things he wants you to do. Maybe something for the hook, maybe this. He's got a

lot of ideas, man, bet. But at the whole time, I'm thinking, at the end of the day, my verse is not gonna be on that something is gonna happen to prevent my verse from being either he not gonna like it, I'm gonna be whack or don't match or something somebody the label not gonna like it, somebody you know something. I just had it him set in my mind. I'm gonna do whatever I gotta do. Ain't no way this verse going on there, man. They taking me off of Donda. Man, I knew that, man. But even when

we landed out there. Man, I remember we landed in LA We're coming down the escalator LA X going to the backs claim. As soon as we get to the bottom of escalator, two detectives one come to my boy good one come to me say yeah, man, they started talking to us. I'm like, man, we're getting punked because Mike Joneson just got pumped. So when you get punked, you punk somebody else. So I was like, man, they coming.

They tied he to try to pump. I think Travis Barker got punked too, So I'm like, man, I got it from multiple angles. I'm like, man, I hope, I'm they about to try to punk me. Man, I ain't from punk me, so I was ready. Man, I come down there. Detectives. You know, they hey, way, I come from this and that I'm talking crazy to them because

I'm thinking they're actors. You know. You're like, I'm about thinking I don't talk crazy to police because I know what they came full of shit and it's an LA Sheriff's pot whatever that man, Come on, man, they easily could have ate come with us and then ship it would have been a long night for me. But I looked at my boy good and he just looking at me like crazy, Like, man, what you doing talking crazy? I'm just talking disrespectful clo, you know, just going off

on them. And then the officer that was on me the other he was getting upset and the other officer was like, what was going on? May come on, let's just go. And then they just went to somebody else. They just wanted to check out bads. I don't know. I'm just like, y'all, I ain't got shit going on with you know, ship got into a Kanye session. Yeah, so I'm thinking, okay, I knew he was getting pumped.

Ain't no Kanye session, you know whatever. Then they leave and I'm like, wait, we're asking to cut you at we ain't getting pumped, and Google like now, dummy, we ain't getting pumped with you. He was about to get his arrested him. Could you really have people out here fucking almost getting sucked up in these streets? Hey, hey, that ain't it. Then we went to the hotel. Okay, I dropped goof goose stay at the hotel and I went to the studio session. I'm in a car service

going to the studio session. We pull up to the whole to the studio. The driver don't exactly know where the studio's at because it's not you know, a big giant sign outside and say studio here right, So he pulls up. We're in a left hand lane, the far left hand lane. The studio was on the right. We're at a stoplight. It's red. He said, I don't know. Oh there it is right there, and he just break everybody off. It's a red light. He just turned. He

went a far left hand lane. He turned right over three or four lanes of traffic and turned right onto the street. It just so happened it was a cop right there that he couldn't see it was getting blocked. So woo woo. We get pulled over and I'm like, fuck, they couldn't get me in part one at the airport, so now they punking me. I'm like, I knew it's too good to be true doing song Kanye Man, you know, he getting he getting the ticket, all this kind of stuff.

I'm asking the cop man, can I can I leave? Can I go? And they're like, yeah, I ain't giving you no ticket. I'm like, ship, I'm out I go do my verse. I'm like, shit, well asked the cutcher ship. It ain't so even even up until it came out. It wouldn't til Dj Drama called me and he said, hey, you want comeye album. I was like, I don't know, it ain't come out here. They might have took me off done look so so shit like now you own here, I'm at the listening party. Now come out tomorrow or

next week. Whenever He's like, nah, it's only you on here. I'm like, damn no ship like man and man shout out the plane path. How much of the song was like did they just send you the beat or was the song pretty much done? When he said when I first originally did it was just the beat. It was no hook, no nothing, It was just the beat. And he was like it was a concept. The concept is

just drive slow. But I didn't know like where he went with his verse, it was like, you know, be caut you know, be cautious when you live in your life. Don't live a fast life, drive slow in your life. You know. It was more you know, conceptually, like a different type of where I went slab with it, you know what I'm saying, Where I was talking about really driving slow in a car. It was a little bit, a little bit different. And GLC came at the end.

You know, I killed it too. Yeah, shout out GLC. Man, the whole the whole thing put together. Man, was it was definitely you know when I heard it, when it was finished, you know what I'm saying. It was definitely definitely very different than when I first laid my verse to it. But you know that's that just goes to the vision of Kanye Man when he got a vision for some man and he put it together. Man, he's

a genius. That's a big deal. Man, that's a big deal. Hey, that's why I still ain't Hey, I know, just hey, he can re release that bitch right now without my verse, and what am I gonna it? Ain't taking me off down the Wasn't there two versions of that record? It was like a live version, right, well, it was that version, and then it was another version with t I with t I like it was like a kind of like a remix. Was the same thing. It was the same song, just was with TI I's versus added and n t

I put it on his album. So that was ship. Even then when we did the song. We did it on Kanye's album with Craig Calvin, who was CEO, I don't know what his title, president something whatever. He now Atlantic. Yeah, he was like, hey, what you think, why don't we put that on your album too? And people don't do that, and you know we do that on the Underground of course, but when it's a Kanye West song, Man, ain't no way Kanye letting you put his song on your album.

So I'm like, man, gonna do that, yes, man, the label ain't no way. The label gonna clear. But jay Z was the president of the Depth Jam and then I seen Hole the mtvars and he said, hey, you know you owe me right what you need a ship? Oh? You for life? What you mean ship? That is? That is legit? Man? Yeah, that's so crazy. So that was originally going to be on the original Sitting Sideways the verse, yeah, the versus because the original, since Sidewest I only had

one verse and that was that was it. So when when you go back to I don't know, maybe we need to do you need to do a blend of that verse with the sin Sideways beat to see how it sounds. Shout out to t Ferris, who's doing this thing right now with Megan? Yeah? Man shot t Ferris who saw the vision? Who because legend man for real? If he if he wouldn't have told me, hey man, do something else, then you know, the Domino wouldn't fail that way. They did a big shoutout to Fairs. Yeah.

It's funny because I remember when I interviewed Megan and he introduced himself. I was like, Poe, yeah yeah, so many times heaving who he is? What's going on with Good Dad Gang Man? We got the we got the shoe coming. Yeah, really excited about the sneaker. Uh so you shot Patrick Ewing Man? Yeah? Man, So basically, you know, every Father's Day we've been doing like different drops. Last year we did a gag Star Good Dad Gang Star with the er where we put the Gang Star logo

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shoes as much. But he definitely, like you know, is involved with it, and his family is and and they're a fan of the sneaker working. Everyone support just because for people know the hears fly, the hats to fly where words good Dak gang dot com. You can follow us on Instagram at good that Gang. We've been rocking for seven years now. Started out as a hashtag real Grass Grassrooots movement and just has so much support. You

know what I'm saying. I've had Jamie Fox call my phone and be like, yo, I love the brand, how can I help? He put it on his Instagram. You know, people like Ludacris, Charlomagne to God Bun Bead the locks. We had a commercial last year with Iced Tea and Logic and ll cool J two chains. You know, so a lot of people have coach signed the brand and yeah, it's only up from here man, because what we're doing is just promoted being a good parent. I mean, you

can't really hate on that. Nobody can hate on that, man. Yeah, So the sneaker drops up and may hopefully everybody will get it in time so you could wear it on Father's Day, which is juwe Larnteeth June nineteen, Big day for you guys. Yeah, every year, every year just for me as a dad, you know, because I didn't start Good Dad Gang to make money. I started it just because I love my kids. I just think it's a dope, dope thing to like push man. Yeah, but it's fire.

People love it. It's funny, like every time I see Jada kiss, he's like, good Dad Gang, y'all, Good Dad Gang. It's like it's became like a staple, you know, and people tag it everywhere when they when they chill with their kids, and they got we got a hundred tattoos, people tattooed all over the world, different countries. Yeah, yeah, we got a hundred tattoos now, So it's cool. Man. I also wrote a book, got a book dropping later this year too with that game Father. So it's called

A Hundred Ways to Be a Better Dad. And so basically what I did was, you know, I went through a bunch of stuff, Like I went to the self help section and borders, and I noticed that there was only five books about fatherhood, and there was like two hundred about motherhood of course, right, so the five books was like, uh, what to expect when you're going to be a dad? That was one book. Another book was how to help your wife you know what you're expecting

a baby? Right, But there was nothing that said, how do we help a man? How do we help a single father? How do we help a husband? How do we help somebody who's coming out of prison but wants to be in their kid's life. How do you get back into your kid's life? How do you help somebody be a parent? Where you were? You grew up in an abusive hot told and you don't want to be like that your kids moving forward. So I touched on all those different topics and this book is like a

one of a kind book. There's never been a book for single dads, nonetheless urban dyes, Right, So I'm really excited about the book. And yeah, that's color lated this year too. Hey man, Damn, y'all was busy as hell. Man. Yeah, we work, man, We been working on this side. Yo. We got to stop the interview real quick to tell you about our partners at Odds Socks watch this. I've bet you I got odd socks on right fucking now.

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So hey, what's up? I feel like you've made like cameos. It's like, yeah, a couple of cameos in there, a couple of little small roles. I forget what I saw. I was watching something and I was like, oh, the fucking Paul Wall was in this. Yeah, and you kinda kind of put yourself out there, you know. That's one thing I never really did. I never really like went on a whole lot of auditions or this or that. That just kind of you know, dibbling dabb or whatever.

Alas for sure, Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah. That's why. I just kind of just whatever come my way every now. And I got a friend doing a movie or this and that, and they throw me in there. My boy mo Amer, he got a he's a comedian from Houston. He got a TV show on I think Hulu or Netflix. I think Netflix, matter of fact, about to come out.

He's an immigrant from Kuwait and Palestine. His family came here and he's got a hell of a story he tells it in the stand ups or just of his mom being such a huge hero for their family and just what it was like for him as a child growing up coming from there, coming to Houston Southwest side, in the southwest Side is a very cultural man. This is southwest side of Houston is where there's a lot of immigrants in that area. So that's where there's like

a Chinatown Korean town, you know kind of thing. That's where there's a huge Nigerian population. Is where there's a big Palestine Palestinian population, all of that. So in that section, you know, is where he grew up. He talks about how you know, you people uh mistook him for being a Mexican, so like all the gang bangers will be trying to bang on him. They think he's in a gang and you know, this and that, and then when they find out he's Muslim, and you know, people love you. Look,

you know whatever, I'm liking my brother. Like it's just he talks about all that. So the show is based on his life. I got like a little small role in that. That's fire fire just as you're a sports guy. How do you feel about the Seawan leaving? Do you like the hall you got? I mean, you know, let's talk about astros. How no man talking about if y'all want to, we can talk about the Suns if y'all really want to. Charles Barkley is behind you on the wall.

We we definitely we uh, we don't know how. I don't know how to feel, you know, do you know any of the massage therapists. I don't, actually, at least as far as I know, but I do know something that he might have hit up that he never went to see, you know, but just getting some massage is like, well, I don't know, because this part I don't. I want this is the good person in me. I hope he didn't, of course, none of this, So I want him to.

I want to believe him. But I also, you know, I know the reality that you know, most women who get assaulted or any of that, they don't get their stories not believed. So it's like, damn, how do you feel I've been falsely accused of something? Though? So I know that feeling of somebody falsely accusing you just because of Spikee you know, and it's like shit, you know, how do you how do you juggle that? So as a Texans fan, now you got Lovely Smith and Davis Mills.

Yeah yeah, And by the way, I want to thank you guys for trading us DeAndre Hopkins. That's what I hope David Johnson's working out for you, man, man bro as Texans. Okay, it start off with when the Texans passing the draft on Vince Young and Reggie Bush's and got David car instead. Now, even though they say, you know, I mean sor I ain't got Maria Williams and said, even though they say Mario Williams had the better career of the three Texans fans, we wanted Vince Young, Vince

Young one Rookie of the year. Yeah, and we wanted it if we couldn't give each Young. Reggie Bush for the ship show, Jeff Jeff Fisher ruined Vince young Man yeah oh yeah. And after that they didn't give him a chance after that, after they black bottom. But even then when they traded DeAndre Hawkins, man, we like, first of no, even before that, when they let Andre Johnson you know, future Hall of Famer go to the Indianapolis Colts.

The fans are like, what are you doing? This is the only bright spot we have as the Texans ever ever here, and he's potential Hall of Famer. Y'all gonna let him go to a rival, the Arizona Texans. We got jj Wabbe, we got then y'all got DeAndre Hawkins. Were like, what are y'all doing? We got Deshaun Watson and DeAndre Hopkins and y'all gonna trade away down there, Davis Mills and who's catching over there? There's still the one dude, what's the collar? Yeah, the guy who's always

fucking injured in Fantasy well fuller. Yeah. Then the Rockets, you know, you got green Christian Woods. Rockets were looking good man, although we lose, they're young. Yeah, we can get that cohesive this going. We're gonna be all right, man, because Celtics are killing it. They're killing it right now, from the eleven seed to the one seed. Yeah, man, Celtics is on fire. I went to recently, I went to KG, got his jersey up in the rafters. He did not give a fuck. He was letting all the

curse works. Yo. The funniest shit is he comes out. It's a bunch of little kids all around. Right, he comes out, He's like, boss it I do y'all fuck with me? I know you fuck will be like this looking around like little kids. And it was fired though, man shout out to KG. Definitely a legend. And uh you know when that when that helped win that that chip for us in eight So you know, chat to the Patriots. Oh man, yeah, listen man, Tom left. But you know we're still in the game, man, are you. Yeah?

We did that last year, We're in the playoff. You did all right last year, right, but what are you gonna do this year? You know what? To be honest, man, because the Dolphins got fucking Tyreek Hill and right, I'm die hard Patriots fit. I get it. Even even nice you got, you got a lot of rings to sleep on that night. Even even if you guys suck for the next twenty years, who gives a fuck? Even the years when we was bad, I go to the games

like I'm a die hard. Like even even even the Celtics when it was like the Antoine Walker and Swan those those years, bro, we were horrible to tickets to two dollars. I was still all up in the in the stands, all of the nosebleed. I'm a die hard, you know what I'm saying. I rock with my teams. I don't run away. But I am a Tom Brady fan, so to go. You know, he's coming back one more year, allegedly, so we'll see. Oh no, not allegedly coming back. So

you know I'm rooting for Tom as well. Patriots. Are you more of a Brady fan than a Patriots fan this point? No, I'm more of a Patriot fan. But the thing is, if we don't make it, I'm going for Tom. Like my dad got a jersey that's had so Patriots have Patriots Patriots bucks in the Super Bowl, Patriots, you're rooting for the Patriots. Yeah, even though even though Tom brought the rings. Yeah, but it's my hood. You

can't go against your hood. But it's like fifty one forty nine, you know when I respect that, that's an honestandswer be Because I'm a Tom Brady fan. You have to be here, But I'm not going to go against my squad. Yeah. I saw it like was it Ted too or the where Ted breaks into Tom Brady his house to try to steal the sperm. I like that that. That was the most Boston as ship I've ever seen. Yeah, yeah, shout out. Is it frustrating to watch TV and like

people try to do the Boston accent? Well, I think it offends people. Like actually from the city of Boston, right me being from Lawrence, we don't really have that. You guys don't have the cap. In fact, the cat slain he talked like that for sure, Like you know me static Rex, like the long time, we kind of really we kind of sound like we're from New York

for some trade. Yeah, I don't know why, but the Boston they have a real thick accent in like mad Appen, Dorchester Rocks Beery, you know what I'm saying, the wild, real being. I feel like a girl could be a tend And I hear a talk from Boston and I'm like, get the funk out of here. You sound terrible. That that that has turned me off from women before, Like sweetheart, you sound like fucking I don't know, like Ford dressing. Yeah, something I appreciate your pulling up. The album is out, Yeah,

and you guys have physical copies of the album. Yeah. We sold out of the vinyl already, man, So you know the vinyl sold out. We got a couple of CDs left. Uh. You know. The CD was inspired by one of Paul's other albums. It was a little bit of a mind never Matter, was it. So yeah, we just freaked that cover. It's still a lot of paper. Shout out to Mike Frost. You guys got bitcoin on here. You guys got the bitcoin. Yeah, yeah, you know, he just kind of took a little bit everything paused to it.

There's a big pin and little crypto, A little bit, man, a little bit. I don't know nothing about it, but hey, I learned to trust the experts. That's what I'm doing. Okay, Just don't get that rug pulled up from it under you like everybody else. Yeah, that rug pull shit is serious. Yeah, you gotta be aware they're coming after a NBA player. Dearn Fox from the Kings said, you want to quit? Yeah, I don't want to do any more focus on basketball and no ship. Yeah, just said one hundred and eighty

million dollars deal, you're rich already, relaxed. I appreciate you all pulling up and go support the album working they buy the actual vinyl and all that. Uh so the vinal sold album working there by the CD. Yeah, the CD. You know, the link is in my bio on Instagram at terminologyst and at Paul Wall Babies. So yeah, just hit it, hit the link up and you got Dag Grease on here. Yeah, shout out to Dave Grease. That's my dog. Dang man. Listen, go get this fucking album right.

Appreciate your pulling up