#160 - Maino

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it lately. Bro. I'm trying, man, I'm having a resurgence. Man. I love podcast, Love the podcast. I love what you're doing with Jim, Thank you, thank you, and I love the just the vibes of the getting fit give me, give me. It's you and me, Jim, Dave. Yeah, we all, we all, you know, coming together, working out, you know, doing music, you know, motivating inspiring people. How many people around the world want to work out, want to take care of themselves? How many people say around uh, you

know New Year's Eve? What you know? Everybody resolution is going to be. I've seen it. Listen today. Just today I stopped to see my guy, Steve LaBelle Shout out to my brother Steve. Shout out to Steve, shout out to Elimonading Van Eys. I went there. Did you go to his rehab as well? I didn't go to the rehab, but I went to Lemonade right and Van Eys And one of the dudes that worked there said to me, Man, you inspired me, man to work. Get me back in the gym. Wow, I'll go in the gym because I

watch y'all. So the thing the thing about that is is like I didn't. I always worked out on and off all my life. Like I never worked out for more than like six seven months at a time. Though, right you man, I will always be on and off, you know, you know two months, you know, I'm going strong for two three months and then I fall off. But the thing about when you got a group of people that you work out with and y'all got things

and come, it motivates you. So the fact that I might get up in the morning and we got a group chat, that we all be in a group chat, and and and when I see like fab in the gym. It makes me want to get up and go to the gym, like, all right, fuck it. The homies is in there, because we'll be checking on each other no matter what. Like, so I'm in LA. You know, anybody could be anywhere. I was going to the gym while I've been here, okay, And just because we all in

that group chat what's up, what we're doing. Get that money, no matter what, no matter where you at, get it. Accountability. Man, the homies. Yeah, a couple of homies it and you like the results, You like how you feel, you like how your body feels after that. So it's cool. That's dope. Motivating a lot of people. Man, I think too, like, like I just started training and I feel like it. You know a lot of people trainers expensive, but I'm like,

I feel like I'm not paying the training. I'm paying them because if I'm paying them, so I feel like I have to go right. It gives you that mon do to be in He'll be in my phone like, bro, what the fuck you need that push? You gonna do it on your own right, And that's the thing everybody, And that's the thing about having a trainer. Jim Jones is like a trainer, yes, us, like like now we're doing these today, like super sets. He's an animal, like

he wants to he wants he's been yoked for a while. Yeah, he's he's he's he's crazy with it. But the thing is, the average person might feel like they need to get in the gym with a trainer because that's the motivation that they need. That trainer is going to be on your line early in the morning, like, yo, get up, let's go, get up. You need that push. We all

need that push some time. And well, when you're actually working out, hold you over the fire, right, you know, when you're working out alone, you might you ain't going as hard as you go. If someone's like, no, two more, three more, Hell no, you cheat yourself a lot, yourself a lot. I know I do one hundred percent. I think everybody does. The fact I'm good, I'm good. I think I got did something something, something better than sweat. Yeah,

you don't go home, yeah exactly. Are you doing anything on the diet, like are you are you trying to eat right? Going and off with that though, that's the toughest part. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is. I just did like a seven day liquid diet. Like I was just doing protein protein shakes and protein balls for seven days. I just did that. That was it. Yeah, I wasn't touching nothing else. But the thing is is like balance.

The problem with that is that, like I lost like seven pounds and then you know, you get right back into eating the same stuff that you was. You know that you ain't eating seven days, so you kind of put it back home. But excuse me. I like to do a lot of cardio. I like to have my heart pumping. I like to bust that sweat because I feel like cardio is just important than anything else. Yeah, you know, you never know, we might have to be wrestling some niggas every now and then. You know what

I mean, You never know this has happened. It's happened. This has happened. Of course. Speaking of that, you are, uh, in my opinion, probably the most infamous slapper and hip. When I think of just rappers getting slapped or checked, I just think of eight hand to guy. How would we rate the Will Smith slap? That was a nice slap, that was, But I looked at it close. I don't think his palm connected. Almost think he held back a bit.

I don't know if he held back, But what happened was that he went up, So he went up high right and Chris rock rolled with it. So I think when he when he when he was moving his face like that, I feel like he missed the palm because I saw it the slow motion, and I felt like

his fingers caught him. I don't know if he caught the whole right, because if you I mean, it probably would have been because Chris took it like a cham but he, like you said, I don't think he got because if you get hit with the palm, Paul, is that PAULM That paem is different. It's different. The poem is different. When you catch him with that with Paul and father his daughters is different. It's different, all right, Paulma, father his daughters. It is different. It's so I don't

know if he caught that. I think he caught just I looked at the the slow motion of it when you h I mean, obviously, when I first saw it, I was like, because I saw a card of live I was like, I thought that, yeah, I thought it was a bit or something. It was fake me too. But then but then the second time he started screaming and you could hear his voice cracking. I'm like, oh, no, that's That's when i knew it was real because he smacked him and then he talked down to him, right,

So he smacked him, walked away. The smack looked fake right right, because I'm looking at it on Instagram. When he got when when the footage came out of what he said afterwards, is when we really knew it was real. When he was like, keep my wife's name out your mouth. No, we've all heard people, We've all screamed like that at somebody. Yeah, that's when you tie it. Yeah, that's when you tie it. That's when you fed up. Enough's enough, enough's enough. That's

when you fed up with a lot of shit. And it's just like man like ty Do, tired of playing with you niggas. Keep my fucking wife's name out your fucking mouth. Period. It's almost like Chris Rock just wore everybody is all the memes from the last few years, all the people making jokes. It's like Chris Chris Walk, he just held the blunt of all of that. I love Chris Rock. Chris Rock. Actually, one of my favorites

as fall as comedians is concerned. He's like in my top two actually to me and Tim and Chappelle's stand up wise stand up, I'm talking about strictly stand up. He's like one of my He's like one of my He's one of them right for me. So, Man, I

don't know if it was. I don't know if it was a lot of stuff that Will's been dealing with, because listen, let's keep it real man, And like life, people got this thing about celebrities where they feel like celebrities aren't as human as other people and people dealing with shit. Man, everyday life ship ups downs, you know, on your quest to chase after your dreams and on your quest to conquer conquer other other other goals. There's a lot that you're dealing with, man, Family issues, you know,

expectation issues you know of other people. So it's a lot. Then you gotta deal with. We living in a time where we didn't. We didn't used to hear the opinions of everybody, right, social media made everybody accessible to it. It's like you can't turn the noise off. Soon as you open your phone. There's an opinion about you soon as you and then and the phone has the phone is is yours, your everything, so to speak, because this is where you find your media, This is where you

find your news, This is where you find everything. You want to You want to see what the weather is like, you gotta check your phone, check your phone. Most people don't have watches anymore. They got they got an Apple Watch. Right. Nobody's even worried about what the what the watch say? Right? Right? So soon as you open up your phone, there's an opinion about you, there's a statement, there's a thought, there's a there's a a criticism, there's a joke, there's whatever.

And people, all the celebrities or what have you, on any level, have to deal with that. And it's like I have to have a thick faced, black heart mentality and not allow certain things to ruffle my feathers. But sometimes at some point people become human and they're not in the mood to play, you understand. So I'm not one of them niggas that feel like, oh, you shouldn't had no problems with violence. I don't believe in that.

I believe that there's a time and a place for everything, and I believe I mean, we're in like in a country that was built on violence. That don't preach to us now about violence when this is the whole culture of this country in its inception and what went on here for thousands hundreds of years, not thousands hundreds of years. And I don't I don't think like I'm not here, like say, oh he wont for handling his business. Maybe he should have maybe should have been there or whatever.

But when you're in your mold, you in your mold, and how you feel is how you feel as a man. Now, as a man, you feel disrespected, and however you want to deal with that disrespect is solely up to you, period, point blank. Yeah. I would say, like, you can't tell people how to react to this fact. That's the thing. People got a problem with that nigga say some some slick shit to you and then you go crazy on him,

and then he'll say, it ain't that serious, nigga. It's not that serious to you, right, but it's optimum serious to me. This is maximum serious to me. What you care about is different than what I care about. Your lines, your principles, your code is different than mins. So don't tell me it's not that the reason, oh you had to do all that fucking right. So that's the thing that's the difference, and you know that's that's people. I mean, you know, the somebody will disrespect you and then tell

you you shouldn't have handled them. You meet disrespect with what with disrespect? Right? I mean at least I mean obviously, like you said, I guess it's a subjective thing. Depends on some people can take shit a certain way or or or be the bigger person. But at the same time the same time, and then here's the thing on the flip side to that is people say it was the joke, that's serious. I understood the joke. Now it's like, okay, here's the thing. If Jada is really having a what

they say she has a condition, she's not. She's not losing her hair because she wants to cut it off. She cuts it off because she has to or whatever it is. I would saying, you don't make fun of people for things that can't change. Right, So that's something you know that's a little bit more deeper because that's

a medical condition. And then you know, you could tell like so many people like like I just listened to comments like oh well he was he was laughing when it happened Yo, Laughing sometimes is a is a defense mechanism. You ever seen somebody so mad that they laugh like it's scary? Scar Like that's different. Sometimes you you you you don't know what, nothing else to do but laugh

in in in the most disrespectful situations. The nigga just like we're but in your in your mind and in your heart, you're saying, I'm gonna burn this nigga, Like that's what you're saying. Like you know, it's crazy. I've heard you talk about why slapping someone it's so much more It gets your point across so much more than if you were to punch somebody. I'm gonna tell you that.

I'm gonna tell you the really ship. Ever, when I was in prison, my man explained this to me, and I told the story before he said, yo, because you know, I wasn't. I was locked up in the time and we was you know, a lot of cuttings, and we was cut We would be cutting, cutting each other and ship like that, right, And I was getting I was trying to go home and I was trying to get away from some of the ship I was involved in. So a friend of mine told me some shit about

slapping niggas. He really explained this to me like it was an art. He said, Yo, man, you can smack niggas. I said, Yo, when you smack a nigga, he gonna take that disrespect. He's gonna go crazy. He said. Nah, he said, when you smack a nigga, why you right when you talking to him, the average nigga is going

to go into shock. You gotta understand. Fuck with all these rappers is talking about the average man is not as valient as they acting like I'm talking about don't you ain't got time to go get your gun and all this other shit. I ain't talking about that, And I'm talking about being straight up violent, fighting, cutting, stabbing

right here on the spot. Everybody not with that, all right, So if you smack a man, the average person, the average man is going to go into like a shock, like oh my god, like his mind is gonna be frazzled. He just told me because he felt like the audacity of you to smack him is so shocking. At the same time, it's fearful because he's saying, damn this nigga, smack the shit out me. And and that's what That's

what Chris told you exact same exact thing. He explained this to me many years a goal and the same thing that Chris Rock displayed is what he what he was talking about, what he talked about. And it really works. I've tried it. If Will would have went on stage and punched him, totally different reaction, even if he would have took the punch. Sometimes sometimes a punch is different, right, A smack is more audacious, it's more disrespectful. It's a

psych it's psychological. Chris said, oh shit, wow, Will Smith just smacked the shit out of me, And this is what you're talking about. And I tried it. I tried it many times after that, and it works. I'm telling you, it really works. Now, that's not to say that that works for every man. You go like this to some niggas and it's and they with it. You understand. So it doesn't It doesn't work with every man. But what did I say earlier? The average man is not as

violent as he think he is. That a walking person, it's not a violent person. I don't think everybody's is equipped or everybody is instinctively violent that way, you understand. So it fucking works. Got to stop the interview real quick. Gotta tell you about our good folks at my Bookie. It's a big weekend in college basketball. We got the Final four finally going the fuck down. I'm taking Duke and that boy and Coach Kate to run that thing up all the way to the championship. Baby, all right,

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one thousand dollars. Let's get back to the interview. Have you ever because you've been a part of some I mean earlier on like like I feel like when you first got out and when you were running around with Kim and obviously when you first got on Atlantic the high headed days, you were a part of some public altercations yea before Instagram, yeah, right, when we would just have to read about it on all hip hop dot Com or whatever the fuck, right, Yea, Yeah, any of

those altercations ever result in you, like maybe ten fifteen years later, burying the hatchet with any of those because I think, like, because you had a situation with Berg right back in the day, it was like yeah, and I'm like hit hit maker, and Jim Jones got a whole album coming out, so like and and you're a different guy, you know, Yeah, like we every day we were trying to get to a place where we can

be better than before. Right, So I can't like sit up here and act like I'm I'm this actively involving myself with some bullshit. You've grown so like the same guy you were back there, right, It's like it don't it doesn't even make no sense. So anything that I went through before, so you got understand, like a lot of the things that I had been involved with in the way I was moving, it was because I didn't know any different. I didn't know any better, Like you

understand where my education is coming from. Only been in two places in my whole life. I've been in the street and I've been in prison. That's the only two places I've ever been in my life. That's it. I had never been in a in a in a in a corporate world, had never worked in the corporate America. I never had a job. Anything that I had done, you know, in my life involve the streets and involved when I went to prison. Then you understand what that is.

So what does that teach you? Just two places that teach you how to be violent and teach you how to survive. So it doesn't teach you how to handle your problems diplomatically civilly. Right, So now when I get in the industry and I'm saying, all right, cool, your niggas is out here idolizing these guys over here, I'm the real thing. So when I'm getting into things, my only action, my own reaction is to deal with it

the way I only know how to. And then people looking at me like you bugging right, And I'm saying, y'all don't want the real thing. They're like, nah, you could look like it and act like it, we don't really want you to do it, though, And it took me a while to kind of really get that because for me, it was it was it was staying in a lot of relationships and it was kind of like pushing opportunities away from me. That you definitely had a

stigma early on. But I've known you for a long time, so I've always and anybody know me, no, I've been always been solid, always be solid, Always always been solid, always been humble, always been you know, confident, but always

been who I was, you know, and always been solid. Right, But you've always had your principles, You've always had right, you know, look right, I think people know you don't fuck around with main like and that's that's not a bad thing, but you know, right, I definitely think that you you definitely had a stigma, right, But if you ain't but if you don't, if you don't hit the top automatically and you got to fight for everything that you gotta get, then you then when you when you

got that stigma chases the money away. Understand So if you if you're a nigga that hit straight to the top, and it gotta deal with you. See, they ain't have to deal with me. But as soon as I ain't have a record, then it was like, okay, ship, we don't have to deal with him. He's not that big, he's not that hot. So that's the difference. So then

you you actually running the money away. Because when you're not hot and you're not on fire and you're not the rapper at the time, then your relationships in your in who you are help you through that time, right you understand, like just being who you are and just having certain relationships can still keep you afloat until you until you find your next situation, whether that's another record or another deal whatever, you understand a time, Yeah, that's fair.

I think, like you said, like I think, if somebody is scorching, but people are willing to look past a lot of what ever, I mean, a young boy, like if you if young boy wasn't doing the numbers. People be like this guy is crazy, like what are we doing with this guy? But he's stern ship up with the world. Like when you when you're on fire, you

could do whatever you want to do. When you gotta when you got a claw and you gotta climb, and you gotta scramble for everything that you got or everything that you're trying to get, and they making you work for it because I ain't. They never made it easy for me. I had to work for everything. I know, man, you understand. So people you're doing your nigga like ship it's crazy too, because like your first album to me

is still one of the more slept on albums. I know you did a sequel, but that first project, the way you like put together your story from the first record, I see. I see people get credit for having that style, the concept of the project, making it like a movie and all that, and I say, like, I did that and falllessly and nobody really talks about it. But the people who ex oristed with me such a good album, but they probably great album, and the way we did

it it was like a movie. It told my life story from the beginning, all the time, and because I was a fan of actually when people really made albums that was concepts. In the nineties, there was a lot of conceptual albums, like people were put together albums that felt like movies. So I was a fan of that. Now I wanted to tell my story was very important to me, right, So I don't get the credit and I watched people give the same credit to other people for doing that. But you know what, I don't get

stuck there. I don't get stuck in the fact that I'm underrated. Right, you understand. I don't get stuck there because when you when you're stuck on what the problem is, you're not looking for the solutions. So fuck the fact that that people that people don't get it. Let's just keep working, Let's just keep let's just keep pushing, let's keep opening the doors, let's keep doing things and slowly and short, slowly, but surely people will see what it is.

And that's what's happening. Now we have the podcast, we got the you know, the music coming, so it's it's a lot of shit happening now that wasn't happening for me two years ago. Was my band Dan on that album or it was on a tape, right, that was on a mixtape that is that on Spotify? It might be I feel like it's something like that. I feel like every time I hear it, I gotta go on that Pith might be yeah, because it was that wasn't

around it. That record was crazy on that right, talk about the Lobby boys ship, because obviously you and Jim come together doing a collas. He's he's on fire, he's in his bag. I feel like he's rapping at the highest level he's ever wrapped that and and that's the thing. And then and he helped me, right, because you gotta think musically he had more. He had He had had a lot more going on than I did, even much more active. It's been way more active. And it wasn't

that I wasn't working. It was the fact that I felt like I was. I kept being in situations that that was not allowing me to touch the people. Meaning I was dropping projects, you know, And and because I didn't have the the the push, or the right structure or the right situation, it wasn't getting there. People will stay like when you wanna drop something like I just dropped something three months, I'll just drop something two three months ago, like you mean, oh, I ain't even know.

And that's like that really bothers you when you put your work, you put your art, your art out here, and then you you dealing with a label, whether that's independent or you're dealing with distribution, and they put it out and yet nobody knows. So me and Jim always talked about doing the Lobby Boys projects project back when when when Puff and and Ross would say that they was the Bugatti Boys. So me and him had a record back then and we said he said on the record,

he said, shout out to the Bugatti Boys. But me and Main or we the Lobby Boys. And we always tell this years ago. You know, we got to do an album together. We always talked about that. But you know, sometimes the hardest thing in the world is to get too artist to be on the same page at the same time. Of course, so you know, years go by and then you know our relationship was just just got strong and strong through the years. But you know, I hit him one day. I was just in that mode

after the pandemic, and I said, Yo, I'm almost ready, bro. Mentally, I just needed to get there once I got my podcast rolling, I wanted to get that, you know, solid. I wanted to have other things going on other than just music. I wanted to have other components and you know what I mean. So I got that rolling, and then I called him and said, Yo, listen, I'm ready. Let me go in the studio first though, and get some ship off my chest. And and I did like

four fist six records and he came down. He was just like, oh, let's go, and we and we just started banging ship out every day and and the project is we found the formula, man, like we got it like this is I mean, this is uh, this is gonna be very serious. I guarantee you this is uh. You're gonna love it. Man. I would love to hear you like locking with like kind of like what Jim did with the heat Makers for for Capo, with like a produce, like one producer and just give me, like

who the producer? Man, we gotta find him as an alchemist. Me and scram Jones would be hard like me and me and he me and what's the name for the heat Makers just talked about doing that. I don't want to hear no club ship from you. I don't want to hear no radio ship from you. I want you to talk that fucking talk. But you know the thing is this though, so with the lobby boys, it's not really that's some clubs like but you gotta understand that's that's that's why I am done and you're actually at

the clubs. Yeah, Like I make music for who of who I am, right, So it's like I want to be able to go out and hear like the dre I was outside niggas. So a lot of niggas that make a lot of the underground ship like that. They niggas that just their lifestyle is different. I like the women and I like the parties. I like the outside. You know, I probably don't go out as much as I used to, but that's my lifestyle. I like that,

you understand. And you know you would see me places, you know, New York, La all over and you would see me outside usually an I thought with women like women man, and you know, I like that have a good time. So sometimes the music is going to reflect that, which is fine as far as like just catalog wise, like you have a bunch of catalog but like with the like when there's guys like gym or the Griselda

guys dropping so often? Is that something you're interested in doing? Like, you know what year I got to put four projects. So so what happened is that now that I see the game has changed and now that this Lobby Boys shit is going to really help me, right, it's gonna help me a lot. So I'm already three projects in, so I already have my two next projects ready. So you're already so were videos and every clip's ready ready? Wow?

So the clips. So once the Lobby Boys hit you heard the first record, right, lobby bys an have them like cool? So you know we we we about to drop another one. We got to drink with fab or Fave yo, we we we it's coming. Once that happens, and once we get through that cycle, I got another one waiting, and then I got another one waiting. I think that's the way. That's the only way to go.

And I like it now because we can still it's fun now because we can still do you can still do all that music and still go over here and do my podcast and do other things. So that's what I like about today. It's the fact that you can have so many different components to who you are so what your brand is that you can still do it. We just did to deal with Fox Souls. I saw that. Yeah,

kitchen talk exactly. And it's not about me being a rapper, right, So this is this is the things that I like, what's funny because like once, I mean, obviously Joe's always done like some sort of version of like podcasting or vlogging or whatever. But you know, I always thought guys like yourself, guys like fat Joke, guys like Nori before Noorri did drink Jink Champs, I was like, man, like,

I would like to hear these guys interview people. These guys talk like You're like, there was always one of those guys on that list. So when you started your ship, I was like, fine, yeah, you know what I mean. Like it took me a minute. People were saying that to me. They was like, yo, you you need to do a podcast, and I was like, all right, cool, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. And I was always and then look years ago it was me and Uncle Murder. We had did a deal with Revolt

where we had a show. It was called Brooklyn Boys, I think, and we shot two episodes, but it never came out, and it was nothing to do with with with us. It was whatever Revolt was going through at the time. So I was just trying to find I was taking meetings, people was coming at me about doing podcasting, and I was trying to figure out what I what I wanted, what I wanted wanted it to be about it,

and how I wanted to present it. And you know what it is, It's like you just wind up procrastinating when you're looking for this, and you're also looking for excuse as to why you're not you haven't started it right because you're like, I can't do it like that. They gotta be like this treasure, and you keep over overthinking and then overthinking and over analyzing that you never do shit. So I'm sitting on quarantine. I'm at home.

I'm saying shit, fuck. I just went and bought me some studio equipment from my house, learned how to engineer a little bit, and started to recording myself. Then I say, you know what, We're gonna shoot the podcast in the kitchen. Were going because we always hang out in the kitchen. In the street, the first place you go is the kitchen. It's the beginning. It's the beginning of shit, right. The kitchen is where you go. And I'm like, fuck, I don't know how I'm gonna do it. We're gonna paint

this wall. We're just gonna do it. And and that's what it was. We just did it. And I made all those mistakes and kept going and kept going and kept going and kept going to the greatest thing you could do is just keep going. That's what I tell everybody. The problem is is I mean, dude, obviously, I've been doing terrestial radio forever, so like I planned on doing like the bootleg Head podcast while I was also doing radio.

But I'd always been like, man, I was supposed to do something with Nordy because Nordy had was working on his drink Champs network. So when I had announced I was gonna do my podcast, nor he had hit me like, don't do it yet, I'm gonna sign you to my shit ended up not working out whatever. So then I was like, all right, well, if I'm gonna launch this, I really need to make sure the first guest is fucking crazy, Like I gotta make sure. And I just would say I pecked myself out for like two years

then the pandemic happened. I'm still a real I'm still a real to this day. But we can't go into the radio station. We can't do in person interviews. The IG live interviews were fucking trash. So I'm like, I just bought a recording studio. These motherfuckers can't tell me what I do at my place. And I was like, let me just get you know, Freddie Gibbs is one of my best friends. I was like, let me just get fred to come on and shoot the shit with me,

and we're just gonna drop it. And the shit went crazy for one hundred and sixty episodes in into a year and a half. Dope. We got to stop the interview right now. Listen, man, I gotta say about blue Choo. Our good folks at blue Choo, one of our sponsors for the podcast, and a product that I use. All right now, everyone thinks that, you know, maybe taking a product like blue Choo, which has the same active ingredients as Cialis and viagra, is a thing. It's not a thing.

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anything anything that that that that's creative. Anything that takes effort. Most people don't. It's easy to just get up and do do what you told. It's easy, super easy, and just follow instructions because you don't have to think. For that, there's no there's no there's much effort. There's a program. I gotta be up at seven, I gotta be out out the house by eight when I get to work. I moved these boxes here, or I stocked this shelf right,

so it doesn't take it doesn't take much. And and that is most of the world, like most of the population you know, is our followers. And that's the thing. It takes much more courage to get up and do something that is more challenging, or to do something that outside of your comfort zone. That's the key to feel me. It's scary. You had to like for you, it was like trial and error. I'm sure with the pocket everything, everything, my whole career, my whole life. I came home from prison,

I said, I'm gonna do this music ship. I didn't. I didn't know nothing. I didn't know I didn't really have music friends. I didn't. I didn't I didn't have real uh studio experience. I'm not coming from a music background, and and and when I came in, there was no other rappers that had done what I had done. It was no other artists that was ever that ever didn't the amount of time that I had done that that

was successful. None. I'm one of one. Yeah at that time. Yeah, no other artists had had had There was no other artists that was in the music business that had done a large amount of prison time that became successful artists after prison after prison. That's real. Yeah, people had small bids a year or two here, you know, but yeah, no, that's real. Nah, No, nobody, what is your uh? You know? Because New York in general right now we're on fire,

on fire, we don't fire. Shout out to the you know, the homie Nams who we've had coming up on the show since twenty seventeen. He was just with me. He it's always been an incredible artist. He got fucking bars like his personalities. Yeah, I like that guy. And he's somebody who stayed down too, because he's been doing this ship for a minute, stay down long enough to come up, you know what I mean. And like I said about this era, were living in social media. You don't know

how you're gonna get it. He got hot off of just being him being himself, being funny on social media, which led people back to his music. So and the music checked out. Good music in this good music. Yeah that's real. I mean, obviously Buffalo Boys are killing the shout told definitely. We got Grizzeld on the album. Oh that's gonna be big. We got Gazeld on album like who all from Griselda like everyone, Benny Way on one joint and we got Benny on another joint. Oh that's big.

That's big man, Benny jointed crazy, Benny's on fire right. Yeah,

I love Benny. How are you? Like? I feel like what what they've done is very much kind of like it's kind of like a renaissance of like the ship we kind of grew up loving in terms of like, you know, sound, just sonically and just I just appreciate that straight and I just appreciate like they don't like I'm like, you know, Benny's got records that like have like big artists on them, but like I don't, like I've never heard them force a radio record or like

you know what I'm saying. Like it's like they're like yo, this is what we do. But like I said, it all it all goes back to your lifestyle. It all goes goes back to the type of person you are. You know what I'm saying you You know you playing with pistols and getting money in the street, then that's probably what you're gonna talk about, you know. And if you know, eating pussy and having three sims was your?

Was your what you was doing on Lisia, that's gonna come out to in the music, you know what I mean? Shout out to you. What's the most amount of women at once that Matos had at one time? Nothing? Six? Maybe six? So a sevensome? Technically seven? Are you the seventh or the fi that's the seventh? That's that's maybe five? Between five and I want to say five or six? So six or seven some? Definitely five, though I can't remember. I can't figure out if it was. So when you're

fucking five chicks, it's a lot of work. Obviously the girl's got to be handling each other as well. There's only so much not fun all the way, I was gonna say, like it almost feels like more work than it is it. What's it worth? Is it fun? I guess is my question? Or is it kind of like a lot of that ship is like your ego, your appet site, your mind. You have to look at food and be like, yo, I want that, and your eyes is doing more than with your stomach and hole every day.

So it's kind of like, you know, the thought and idea of having all these women and one time sounds amazing, sounds crazy. It's just it's just wild, you know, And so I mean it works, it made it work. It works, Yeah, happens. But all that's just you know, that's Alisia. Do you make sure the girls know each other first? Like? Are they all homies? This doesn't happen all the time. I don't want you to the one time it did happen. Give me this. Are you convinced six chicks to fuck

you at the same time? Yeah? They? Uh damn. I'm trying to think it was if it was five or six you got that one chick who like wrangles them all up. Let's just say it was five, Okay, five I was I was out. I had a girl that used to like to have girls around all the time. She has some girls, and it was just one girl that we didn't know and I want to say, yeah, it was one girl that we didn't know and then

we bought her around and yeah, I mean girl. See, the thing about women is that they click easier than men. This is true, you know, especially girls who are kind of like right, they friendly each other, they really buy curious, right, so they click quicker than niggas do. Like you or you need this alcohol, some hookah, some hookah. Yeah, and they clicking some booze and some hookah, woves and hooker. That's it. From there, it's off to the races. Hey,

how you man over there? Yeah? I know, Oh you know, what's the name? Oh? What's your page? They following each other and then turn around and kissing. Wow, this is yeah, it's amazing is life? You know. I'm just trying to think how like physically like that would work. That's like an orgy low keys, like pretty much what it is some real pharaoh shit though my kingship. It doesn't happen every day. That's not regular. Once a lifetime. I mean like two is once a lifetime is solid. Two is regular.

Two is regular for you. It's for anybody, how many I don't know about for anybody? Two is regular for any that's really regular. Girls, give me the over under on how many threesomes you think you've had in your entire life? That's what's that number? That's north of fifty, under fifty. Definitely more than fifty. You've had more than fifty threesomes? Of course, that's not that's that's pretty regular. Like, that's pretty standard, standardard standard, Maino. Shit, that's no, it's

not about me. It's about you. No, it's not about me. That's not standard. You're serious. Yeah, bugget your bugget no, your bugget no, your bucket. That's a standardifty. I've had a handful of those situations. What's a handful? Less than ten? Okay, more than five, less than ten, somewhere in that range. Now you're north fifty standard, brother, Like, that's I mean, we're talking about we're talking. We're talking about uh time. Okay,

so okay, okay, listen to the maut here. So if you've had more than fifty threesomes on the low end, that's a hundred chicks are we knocking on? Are you Maino Chamberlain? Damn? I can't what you know up north of a thousand chicks in your life. I won't say that would you say more or less than a thousand. I'm not gonna say anything. Listen. What I'm gonna say is this. I mean, you already put a number of the threesomes. It's fifty a lot of threesomes. It's just

had it happened fifty times. This is what you're saying. You have fifty different threesomes. But this that's the amount of time. That's maybe some girls might be the same, some cast members in these states consisted, right, Okay, right, okay, that's what I'm saying, right exactly. So here's the thing that's in a like fifteen how long I've been home? What year did you come home? Two thousand and three, So that's nineteen years ago. That's crazy case. So this

isn't an expanse of nineteen years. So is that that many? Is that's not that much? I mean, I'm thirty five, and it's not that much. Listen, I respect it. It's not a it's not a it's not a big thing when you because because like I feel like we do kind of know mano to always have a bad chick around. Is it kind of funny to be like, when you're dealing with that many women and you are Mano, you have to be Eskimo brothers with a lot of other rappers.

What does that mean? That means you guys both sucked the same chick for certainly for certain right, Like, has that ever happened where you may be like we're fucking around with because I know I have another good friend of mine who's kind of similar to you in terms of just always with a and he he's like had like beefs with NBA players like other rappers. Like, is that something that's happened with you? Yeah, especially see the rappers is a little more cool about it. It's the

ball players. They really get in their feelings all the time. Married ask ball players all the time like listen, I don't not even just married anything like with a ballplayer they get they get a little bit crazy about it, like it's I heard James Harden's like that. I don't know. I never uh you never smashed one of his chicks,

I mean not that, not that I know of. No, maybe so you had a did you have a problem with a specific player ever, like where it was like no, but I think a specific player had a problem with me, right, Yeah, he's a funny guy. Give me the team of the year and give me one guess. Yeah, I can't give you the team man like, but I tell you what. I tell you what though, like I think that they was feeling some kind of way about me. Though the girl was telling me she was like, oh yo, this

nigga said that. You know, you don't speak to him when you see him. I'm like, I ain't even see that nigga. Matter of fact, I don't even know what that nigga look like. Yeah, I just know the name because he's tall. It's so funny because that is such a real thing. There's like I got homies in the NBA, and they got real issues with other players, and it's

always over girls that everyone fucks. It's always over and it's and a lot of times I got a homie who has problems with another player and that player is married with kids and it's mad that his side chick is. I'm like, you got bro, Like, what the fuck is? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's interesting. They don't I don't know this. It's different. I never had a problem with an artist though,

I never I never had a problem with rapper. That's that's I think most of the time, artists kind of know what it is, right, It's like, look but yeah, bro, like you know I'm trying to Yeah. I mean it's funny that when you when you when you when you when you might be dealing with a chicken, and you you run across the texts and you see all and you see who be texting like, oh wow this is interesting. Wow damn you got a lot of blue checks in your dms there. So this nigga be begging wow crazy.

I know I probably got caught like that plenty of times. I know somebody rolled over and said, oh, let me see, man, look at this nigga nasty like mano does not give a fuck. And I love it, man, I love it. You know. Another trend that happened during the pandemic was a lot of artists. Tiger launched an only fans only. Uh, what's the ruby? Rose launched an only fan Tiger was fucking on his ship though, Yeah, uh was that something that ever came across your mind. I don't got that heart.

I don't got the heart to do that. And he don't give a fuck. That's obviously when you don't listen. He publicly dated a seventeen year old or she was sixteen when they were dating. Yeah, he definitely don't give a tiger, don't care. Yeah, people like that. Though. A part of me admired him because I was like, you, you so free in your mind. Yeah, that's a different type of freedom. You gotta be free. You got a

zero shame, right, that's a that's admirable. And now I'm not saying, go fucking dated seventeen year old, But I'm just saying the fact that you could be up there fucking on video on video and then and you have a single on the radio right now, and yeah, it's crazy, like you cannot Yeah, that's different. And he always be getting repolled and shit like that, and he just never

ever seem like he gave give a fuck. That's no what I'm saying, Like, No, I'm just saying, right, I think that's how right this happened, whatever, I mean, whatever he was going through. What I liked about people like him is that it just never seemed phased. I like that.

That's admirable. Do you feel like because I do feel like there was a in hip hop A dark age of twenty seventeen twenty eighteen is when I think shit got goofy for a while, SoundCloud, the ex the Takashi shit, Like, I just feel like it was a real goofy era of shitty rapp popping where it's more about antics, more about Instagram bullshit than it was about the actual music. I feel like we've kind of gotten through that. It's back to rapping everybody's back. It feels good. I feel

like the pandemic helped a bit. But what's how difficult was it for you to kind of be who you are? And like, you know, at the time, you know, you think of like who was like screaming they were the king of New York. It was this guy with rainbow hair and not even even get into his specific situation, but like just being Mano and like watching where the music industry went and how it kind of went so far away from authenticity and kind of what you bring to the table. Was like, what was it like to

do with that? But this is this is why I'm still here. It's because I was able to still be myself no matter what you understand, I was still able to withstand some of some of the things that was going on because you got to understand and know that some of the ship that be happening is just it's

just it's a date on it. It's just it's just a faed It's just this despiration date on so much of this ship, right, So I kind of always know that, like this ship is not forever, you know what I mean This some of the ship is gonna is gonna gonna gonna blow by, and we were gonna we're gonna be like, oh remember what it's gonna get to that.

So the only thing I could say for me and to keep me away from being frustrated or angry with the industry because not things not going away I would want them to go is just you know, like you're in a boxing ring, stay focused on what's in front of you, you understand, Stay focused on your opponent. I don't be looking at other niggas. I don't really be not in the competition with with nobody. The only person I'm in competition with is the person in the mirror,

you understand. So he's the person that I gotta deal with because at the end of the day, who am I battling? I got to battle my own demons in the dog at night, I gotta battle. It's me versus me, you understand like it ain't nothing else. I'm my only opponent. I just told that to my boy. I was telling him like, because you know, I have a friend who always just bringing up what other people in his similar space are doing. Can't do that. That'll that'll fuck you around,

it'll fuck you up. And I think when I was super young, I would really like feel like I should have I should be doing, like I'm better than what this guy's doing in my you know, radio ship. But like you know, like once you start, once you get rid of that mentality, right, that a way, yo, it literally will change your life, right if you just worry about what is it? Like you said, well you can control, right,

I control what I can control and everything else. What's going on over here with this person they got shit to do with me. Good for them. I'm happy for him. I walking the club and the new hot niggas dead and they're like, oh my god, man, I'm like, all right, cool, fuck it. I'm right here too though, in that pocket watch. And should I have you fucked up? Man? You worried about what other niggas is doing, how much other niggas is making. When niggas came out because I would. I

had to. We all full victims some of these things sometimes, right, Yeah, it's not. It's about staying there, right, because I had like and this nigga came after me. He used to just man, this nigga used to want to be next to me. Now he up here. You understand how to fuck this nigga get past me. I had to get out of that because the more I thought about that, the more frustrated I became. And when I became frustrated, I became insecure. So when you're insecure, you can't you

can't move, you can't you can't produce. You don't know what to do. You don't know how to make music. You don't know how to talk, you don't know how to speak, you don't know how you're not confident. Once you lose your confidence, you you lose everything like this not even like you just a fucked up nigga. So so you can't be caught up in the ship that you can't control. I'm in my car, right, and if I'm in my car, I'm in my lane. Right. I can't be driving my car and looking in the lane

next to me because what I'm gonna crash. That's some real shit. I think it's almost like some grown man shit though. To get there, you gotta fuck niggas stink. My odds is on the road like shit. Man. Sometimes I think, damn, I wish I had my where my head is right now ten years ago. Yeah, but you know what, we developed the way we listen. But here's the thing. If you sometimes you know you gotta go through that to get to where you're at today. So

it's like, that's right, It's okay, it's the journey. And it's no better time than the present time. So you know your car's moving though, right it may not be going as fast as this one of that one, but it's moving. And in life, were always in the same place, right, We're always in the same place. This is the place that we're in In life, we always in the middle. And what I mean by that is this, there's always people that's doing better than you, and always people that

you're doing better than. Always it's like you always, no matter what, no matter what. Yeah, you gotta one hundred million, is somebody with two hundred million, you understand, you got three hundred million, it's somebody with a billion. So I mean, what's up, yo, We got to stop the interview real quick. Shout out to our presenting sponsor, odds Socks. Baby, hey man, listen, all I keep on my ass is odd Socks Draws.

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I mean, but just in terms of like really being you know, you have a podcast as successful. Now, how different does that have you approaching the entertainment industry because you're kind of on the other side of it as well as still doing the artist shit. But I feel like now like there might be people who have never heard your music who might come up to you now and be like, I love what I love your this

episode of your podcast. It's a different thing. That's the great thing about the time when is that you don't it's not just about the music, It's about a brand. So now that you know, I don't have to just focus solely on music. I can focus on all the other things that I got going on. Right, So we talked about fit lit, we talked about lobby boys, we talked about you know, kitchen talk. These are different components. You know, it's so many things that we can do

at the same time. You know, it's different components. Right. So the fact that I could, you know, I could, I could come out here, you know, I could just you know, jump on this show with Macy yesterday and performing live in front of NBC and turn around and promote my podcast the next day. You did the record with Macy yesterday, Well, we performed it yesterday on the show that she got, Well, we performed the live on NBC.

The biggest look I've asked, I saw you never never did nothing like that, you know, on on on that type of stage. So that was a big look for me. You know, the fact that I could do that and still turn around and push the podcast, go to the gym, do that, do all the other ship I got going on. This is the greatest time. Man, It's the best we're talking about. I Mean, look, we think of someone like your biggest records t Pain. What is Pain doing everything he wants to do? This is what I'm saying. This

motherfucker's hosting television shows. There you go, his Twitch is popping, his podcast, and he's still dropping crazy music. It's about a brand. You don't got to ever leave the music. It's not sports. I just like the fact that the stigma of like artists doing other ship right, because you know, we used to think like, well, if you have a podcast, you're washed, or if you're doing reality TV. But I feel like nowadays, this is what we're doing, right. I

think people kind of got out of that. That's a good hundred. I think that thought about old well, this nigga washed up. That's why he's doing that old music. And you still got ignorant, ignorant people that are but the general publish people are trying to recoup still record deals that they signed. The general the general public, I think that they kind of understand that so to speak, because we we've watched so many artists do so many

different things. You know, we watch how Mary is on a hit television show and then the super music and then put an album out right and still doing she did the Super Bowl so you can do different various different things. And and here's the thing. The whole uh, the whole conversation about who's relevant and what's relevant is being changed every day. You understand, like, you know, when you got artists like a Jim Jones still was able to push out a hit. Right now, you understand music

is relative, man, you know what I mean. So it's like, say, who, this guy's not relevant, Well, he's relevant to the people that love him. Yeah, his fan base. There you go. Now that might be it might not be the little baby fan base, but that's cool. That's okay, that's ok You know what, well, you know what too is different now is your independence is now. I feel like more artists understand how important it is. That's where maybe, like

ten or fifteen years ago, you cool off. You're still tied to this shitty major label and they're not gonna let you drop whenever you want, as opposed to now. If you're if you're Jim and you you yeah, Jim has been to me relevant for I never stopped being relevant, and I feel like he's put out some of the best projects of the last I mean the last few years.

I mean, we could you know, uh. And I feel like if maybe Jim was on like fucking Deft Jam or something or Atlantic or something like, it might have been like you knows, he's in a situation where I want to go do a full project with Harry Froud and the people who are gonna appreciate it are gonna appreciate right. And that's and that's what I had to get into my mind, understanding that appeal to the people that love you. Yeah, now through social media, that's gonna

help you gain new fans every day. For it may not be from the music, maybe from the way I talk or the podcast. So it's it's a great time and it's just poling from all these from all different areas. Man. And then you got you know, Jim just put out We Set the trans which is on radio. What I'm talking about, how this late in the game, still still putting out hits bad Joe, fad Joe. And trust me, I'm about to be about to hurt something everybody like Like like I was telling you, Man, I just would

love to see you run up that. Just run it up, man, Matt. When you say you got three projects ready to go, it's good to hear. No we're gonna run up. I had to really understand that. But I had to really regroup. Sometimes you gotta sometimes you gotta reset, man, You gotta reset in order to to really compete the way you want to observe observed, right, and then you gotta get busy. So now I'm now I'm in it. I'm in a I'm in a different space, and people can see the difference.

You're in to get busy space? Who for you? Like? Who are the younger artists that you actually listen to and appreciate? Man? All of them? Like? Who's like if I checked your Spotify, who's the most? Who you've bumping the most? That's that's not you know of your era or later? I mean, ship man, what's my era? Right? What would you consider my era is people who've come out? How about in the last five I've been bumping dirt all week, Dirk, Okay, right, but dirt been around, has

been around it. You know what I'm saying. People forget dirt been around a minute. That's what I'm saying. I've been bumping dirt. I love Baby, No, Baby's amazing. All of the young niggas from New York definitely all the Young Niggas from New York. FAO is on fire. Yeah five yeos is my guys, like this is that's really uh my god, I think it. It's it's crazy, but

it's also dope. That like it really took that Kanye verse people to realize how dope of a rapper he was, because I feel like people who knew knew like people a long time that he really could rap right And I don't And and I tell him that, like he don't know. He don't sound like nobody else. He's crazy. He has his own style and and it's really dope, and people really gonna see The record that we have with him is a smash. Yeah, that's a smash. This

is what i'milling. Listen to what I'm telling you on your album on the Lobby Boys project, it's a smash. Listen to what I'm telling video done, record is done is coming? How are you guys dropping the Lobby Boy's project. So we did a deal with one off PM. One r PM they distributed a couple of my boys. So we did a deal with them, and we got a

lot of dope features on them. Man, Like I told you, we got a five year old on there, fab On there, Grisel, dere uh young and may on I'm dropping on April was coming soon and yeah and then and then on April twenty knfe is the day we got Yeah, why did you never go anywhere like like like really like dive into acting because I feel like you could kill it. I mean people ask me that I do do roles when I when I catch it right, So whenever I catch a role, I come, I come to l A.

I feel like you never really dived in. I didn't because when I started to see that, to me, it was a more of a struggle than the music. I mean a lot of a lot of these young a lot of these young actors are not really getting paid. Well. You got a leg up on them though, because your may now don't mean nothing in it in that world. So that's the thing people think that it does. It does. There's got to be a recurring wrong power get you. It gets you, It gets you in the door. But

it's not a lot. It's not. When I saw that, I came out to LA and I had some active friends and I've seen that they it really wasn't what I thought it was. It made me feel like I didn't want to pursue it as hard. So what I want to always be involved with the producing things. So if I'm going to act in it, you know, hopefully I'm involved with it with the creative because that's where

the meat and potatoes is at. So I got things that I created myself that I'm trying to find homes for that I'm trying to find places to put out. So the thing about just chasing that, because that's a whole different grind. You know, you might go on fucking one hundred, you know, this is what I'm saying, And it takes a lot of times. So when you shoot in one movie, that's that takes. I was out here at last April shooting the movie and for like two

weeks every day. I like it. But I got a lot of respect for the ones that that's what they do right, And it's just not my grind. Right because the actor told me, told me, actor friend of mine told me, as soon as they yell cut on that movie, I'm unemployed. Yeah, and then I gotta keep the next thing, you understand, So because yeah, because like not most actors, ninety nine point nine percent of actors who are in shit don't get residual income off of That's what I'm saying.

Like there's not a star neither true. So you might see such such in this movie, such and such this movie. We not really doing that well in life, you understand. So you know you just hired you just hired help. You prefer to be behind the scenes, fucking right. You know what's crazy is I do think that what's missing from TV right now. When I was growing up, we had OZ. Then there was the show Prison Break. There's not a good fucking prison show right now. This guy

wants the worst prison Did you watch OZ? Of course I did. Was fucking crazy. I just had Leon on my show. He was in and Prison Break was souper. I mean for treble. I never watched Prison two seasons. Am I missing the show? I never watched Prison. Oh, I've heard about Mayor of Kingstown with Jeremy Renner. I've heard about that paramount plus that's that's as a prison joint. I heard it's good the Mayor of Kingstown. It's got Hawkeye from the main I know where that is. Shout

out to Jeremy Renner that it's fire. The same guys who do Yellowstone. I didn't watch them. Yellowstone is good to fire watching some gangster cowboys ship. Yeah yeah, Yellowstone is like the Wire but like in Montana, the ran thug down ship. Bro. Yeah, I know German Runner. I remember when he was in the town, the town with Slaine Slaine was in the town. Yeah, shout out to Slaine Man Slain Slain. The white boy, that chevy whit dude who also was rapping. He was just putting it

out a static selector. He's like in the movie. Yeah, I remember. In fact, he's a rae. He was a rapper first Wow slang. Yeah from Boston. Shout out to Boston. The town was fire, Yeah, shouts. That might be Ben Affleck's best movie. Is it his best movie? Or the other one was the other one with him and Matt Damon That won't all the awards with Robin Williams, the first one that pop them off. You've never seen it.

I don't even know what the fuck it's called. All I know is he just bought an eighty million dollar house with j Lo. So Ben Affleck is winning, you know what I'm saying. Well, listen, bro uh. Lobby Boys in April, Lobby Boys in April kitchen Salt. Everything's happening, man. How often do you put out episodes of Kitchen Talk every week? So once a week and once week sometimes I miss, We might miss a week. You know, I was gonna say, like, sometimes is it like yo, this

week is lit? And and I know what I like about your podcast is it is not necessarily a guest based show, right sometimes you know, but we we have more guests now because people just like to see other people all. But sometimes we do two episodes a day like so some sometimes I might have two different guests on one day and then you'll spread those out, yes, put them out. You know. Sometimes I might I've done three episodes in one week to have them come out

like that, So I just have them like that. But the consistency is what is? What is? What is? You know? With people? It's important. Yeah, it's very important. So you know, I got an episode coming out Thursday. Who helps you with because what's important is like getting those social media clips from the podcast together? You got you got that team that just handles all me. I got a whole team, the whole squad, a whole producers, videos, the whole scene. I got people that helped me with the guests. I

got you know, people that shoot. I got edited, I got a sound person, I got the whole team. Graph fix everything. We'll listen, go support. Yeah, I know you got other ship coming that you probably can't talk about it. You talked a little bit about it off camera. Little TV show situation coming maybe with the homies. Yeah, we'll see, Yeah, we'll see, you know, shout out the fit lit lyoys. You already know, man, there it is badly may know. Yeah, boom