#159 - Hovain

La now since shit twenty seventeen, early twenty seventeen. You're bouncing around and not bouncing down. Not bouncing down is what is important, my friend, very and uh, same with you. I feel like you keep leveling up, leveling up, leveling up. I tried to man, God is good. Man. You know it's crazy because I feel like, you know when you're good people and you have good relationships, like no matter what transpires, like you're always gonna end up on top.

I feel like if you work hard, you're a good person, keep your face clean, you believe in God, anything. God. Yeah, it's crazy to because you did even do you remember when you were starting to interview artists, didn't you do a ric Ross interview? I did a ric Rolse interview that went crazy, went TMZ everywhere. Then I want to get back to that. I'm gonna say you like like on your back. I did a couple, I did five, I did Charlemagne, I did Lenny As, I did Ross, I did g Z and I did Wex, who was

the head of the addas at the time. For people who don't know who you are, kind of give us a breakdown. Who is Hovane? What do you do? I'm a talent manager and I'm a music executive. I'm a doc connector as much as you are a connector. Yeah, Like a lot of times, like I have a relationships that I have respectable relationships with people. Somebody might call me like, hey you know this person, Well, hey do you know somebody at Nike? Could you put me together?

Or do you know this person? Do you know somebody in Mercedes? And I just facilitated and I just put put the two parties together. What is some of your talent roster that you work with on a regular basis. Obviously you work with Cinematic and Johnny Shipe. Cinematic Johnny Shapes, that's the home, you know. I'm the president of Cinematic Man Company. We have Paris Bryant, who's in the house right now. We have uh well, I have Styles P. I have Lloyd Banks, Spinning Bands, Ship, KB, Mike, a

bunch of artists like hell local Ship. We was managing Tea paying for a little while Joey Badass was with us for a minute. I had wal A for a second bust. The ROMs just get to a point where you can be managing too many artists at once. No, because it's the team, you know what I'm saying. It's not like it's not like you're the soul. Yeah, it's not like I'm the soul, you know what I'm saying. So like, if I delegate properly, I have somebody that's going to be in place with them, and all I

gotta do is make the call or whatever. You know what I'm saying. It's never I don't think it's too many, too many people, because I feel like sometimes you'll see like somebody like they have like six artists a manager. They're like, but they were like handling a lot of it on their own. Yeah, that's that's almost impossible. It's not enough time to day if you want to give people the proper, proper attention they deserve. You got to

have a team. So I'm lucky and blessed that I have a team of great people that work with me one hundred percent. Man, how did you initially kind of get your foot into the music game, like takes to the beginning of your career. Ship At the beginning, I just have one artist, like you know, it was my homeboy. He was rapping, and it kind of like the situation called for a manager, and it was just like, all right, cool, you're the manager. So from now that was like the

origin of you just getting involved in the industry. Period start we started BSB, Yeah, we started in music shit together. I feel like managing artists is like kind of like a blanket statement a lot of people make in terms of like yeah, I managed an artist, or I do A and R shit or okay, give me kind of like if you're an artist manager, what are your tasks? Like? What is like define that for me? You have to you have to enhance the situation whatever they have going on.

Like so a lot of times people come up to you and be like, hey, I need management. I'm like, you don't really have anything too many yet you know what I'm saying, there's no demand, there's no deals to make, there's no interest, there's no revenue that need to be brought in, So you don't need a manager, And I'd probably assess their situation and tell them what they do need. What I'm saying, a lot of people don't need management to get to a point where it's something to manage.

So essentially, you're just putting gasoline on whatever fires already. Yeah, and you're using your leverage and your relationships to ticket to another level. Like if you come to me and you're seven, my job is to make you a tend you know what I'm saying, maximize and build your talents and give you my tutelage and show you the way to be the best artist you could possibly be. A manager is like a bridge to your to the other

side of your potential, you know what I'm saying. So you might be making one hundred thousand a year a month, let me show you and do these things so we could maximize that, and now we're making five hundred thousand a month. You know what I'm saying. Give you a bunch of strategies and a bunch of disciplinary tools. To get to where you need to go. But at the end of the day, it's the artists and the talent that is the driving the ship. You know what I'm saying.

I'm just kind of like Siri's gotcha, got you? Is it? You know what? It's crazy too because dealing with artists, it's not a magic button. People think managers are a magic button. Like it's also I think what it is is what some people fuck up is they get a manager and then they stop doing the work. That's not it. That's what I'm saying. The artist is the car. The manager is the GPS. The GPS make this road smooth, lead you to the right way, guide you you know

you're going on track. Now, this is the way we need to get to where we need to get to, or show you exactly Like some people don't even have a plan for this. So so I'm going to show you where you and your talent can get you to and this is the way we need to do it.

To get to this part, you almost want an artist who kind of self manages as well, if that makes sense, because something man I mean, like I've seen it where there's like people who they really need their handheld through every little step of the way, and every artist is different. Some people need a little more handhelding than others. Some people are totally so sufficient, and some artists are like, you know, they need the call in the morning. You'll

get up. You know you have a thing today, you know, your flight his itinerary. Some people I could just shoot a text and like yo, I'm on my way there, and the artists might be like, oh, man, already you know what I'm saying. So yeah, so you just played it by I guess you just kind of play it. It's ala carte. It's no one managing style that fits every artist. That's real. That's that's that's fair for you.

Like if if someone's watching this, who's like an up and coming rapper, up and coming singer, Like, there's so many what is that noise? Oh? Is it is? It? Is it coming in from that room? Is that that UFC fight? Is that what that is? Yeah? In UFC on YouTube? I'm like, what the fuck is going on? I'm like sports that have been playing in my ear na, But just into terms of like, you know, the music

industry is always changing. You know, we always hear about like I was just saying like south By Southwest is next week, and I'm like, man, you know how many young up and coming artists about to get taken advantage of next week? Southwest used to be a jungle. They're going to drop a bag on some shitty stage that ain't gonna do nothing for them. But in terms of like the things that you see artists making mistakes with, maybe like financially because nowadays you can't buy your way

onto playlists. You can buy streams. That shit is not sustainable, though you can fake the funk that's not sustainable. You can do all these things, right, So, like you buy streams and then you have to actually go out on the road and go on a tour and you can't sell no tickets, so it doesn't equate. All right, you got seven million monthly listeners, but you can't feel the fill of five hundred cap rooms right, Like you can fake it, but eventually the proof is in the putting

on the back end. Are you guys able to see if someone's full of ship with their streams? You know? So let's say you guys are interested. Have you ever been interested in an artist and saw their metrics and been like, oh, that Okay, the music is dope, but then check their numbers and they were for gazy. You check the numbers and the eye test doesn't fool. You start to look like the comments don't match X. Amount of people not talking about this, especially on the YouTube

is very telling. If you if you got fake YouTube views, it's so. And then even if you had a bunch of comments, if they're fucking rushing bots or whatever, you're like, like, if you really do your homework, it don't just get blinded by numbers. You dig a little deep and you have some type of comment sense about you. You could tell you look, you'd be like, nah, it's not real. You know when something feels real, Like you've been in post. You've been in this game long enough to know when

something's sure. You have enough relationships and friends in certain markets, like if something going on New York, you're gonna call me, is this heating up out here? And like I would do that for you in markets right right, right, right right, And he'd be like, nah, no, I don't know, I never heard it. I'll be seeing that s all the time. Bro. Someone was saying, may y'all, I got three million views on my video and I'll check it. It It shiit out

like eleven comments. I'm like bron it's nancy. It just put the work in, man, just put the work in. But I mean then you have other the other side of the coin where you'll hear an artists saying that even major labels are beefing up the numbers, are juicing the numbers they've been. It's not fact like we didn't know record label used to buy copies when it was vinyls and CDs back in the day. There's nothing new.

Is just a digital age is easiest the same thing. Yeah, they used to go buy buy our records to try to get Look what's his projections, Yo, he's gonna be one hundred thousand short of doing number one. Yo, we're gonna go buy those. It's gonna be sitting in the White House somewhere and we're gonna do this is nothing new. This is they've been doing it. Regulate, We've been doing this new ship. It's just in a digital format. Now,

how do you know? I think the biggest thing that like it is like a wall that a lot of rappers will hit that they maybe don't necessarily understand is the playlist shit is the Spotify shit. It's like it feels like almost I'm sure for a lot of artists, like an impossible task to get on some playlists. I think I tell artists all the time, man, don't focus on getting the attention of industry people in playlisters. Focus on one fan a day. You know what I'm saying.

You focus on growing your fan base. You might have ten fans, cater to them and grow them fans. Don't focus on nothing outside of your control because all you're gonna end up getting is taken advantage of by people who say, I can get you on this playlist. Yeah, because if you if you focus on the fans and you build I mean that, all that other shit's gonna come. It's gonna come. But if you're not, they're gonna see, Oh,

he got the craziest following. Let me put him on this playlist because it's gonna help us, you know what I mean. I think that. I think I think Russ is somebody who probably initially had that perspective because he used to just he always talks about how Jeans I used to email all the blogs and they would never give no fucking attention. And then once he started just

focusing on his world. That's it sounds so corny and cliche, like I be telling people stuff and like even like I teach a college class and I'll be telling people like, yo, what you get in? You getting what you put out? You get what you put in, Like it's the cliche, the truth, it's the truth. Don't focus on people like yo, how can I get your attention, big dog? Don't worry about me. Get the fans up, and when fans start going crazy, I'm going to see it and I'm going

to come holler at you. Don't focus on getting nobody in the music. But people do that because they think if I have you, it's going to be easy. No, just do the work. Focus on your fan base, making organic fans, creating organic fan interactions. Focus on growing your merch base, having people train that they have to buy stuff from you. Focus on doing shows locally and growing your shows and selling hard tickets, training your fan base

to do that and just grow it. Don't focus on getting the attention on music industry person or no playlists, YO.

Talk about like for you, the transparency between the artists and like major record labels and what a major record label deal would look like typically has been like as high as ever you see like Meek Mill talking about or YG talks about it, and me a young boy just called it Atlantic Records like for a month straight and then did like my thing is like it if you're kind of give people like an idea, because I don't think a lot of people understand like how an

advance works. And I think all those artists who get it's alone, it's alone. It's a shitty loan. It's alone, very shitty. It's because if I, if I finance a house for you, right, you are a house. After you pay it back, you own the house, right even after you that money is recouped. That's the worst. It's the worst ship. Yeah, So alone alone is like advance is

just a loan with like you said, shitty terms. But a lot of times these artists are in destitute in polished situations, so they go to take anything and sign anything. It's not the label's fault, per se. It's a little predatory. It's predatory for it's predatory. But that's why you're supposed to have a good lawyer or a manager. I think because I can't. I can't fault nobody for falling for

anything you signed. You sign it. This layers between when megan, like the whole Megan thing with Carl Crawford's going, I'm like, Yo, you signed and you're supposed to have management and you're supposed to have a lawyer who looks out for that. If you failed those two things, you got to say, you know what, I hired the wrong team and I signed the wrong deal. It was my fault is the label was gonna do what the label's gonna do. They've

been doing this. It's not nothing new. You getting tricked by antics that they did since the start of music. People was complaining about deals and contracts in the nineteen forties. Yeah, so it's like, you see this, but you decide to forego that or you don't have the right people to

explain it to you. And you signed that deal, and if it's fucked up, you have to be a man or a woman's Yo, my team that I hired or my team that was given to me that I didn't investigate, allowed me to sign this and fucked It's fucked up and I wanted to change. But don't say, yo, they took advantage of me. They gave you something that they would give anybody, and they also, I mean you took the you took the back. Like my thing is that.

That's what I'm saying. Like, you know what when you was fucked up and you had one hundred dollars in your pocket and they told he was gonna give you advance of seven hundred thousand, you was like, give it to me. I'm gonna sign it. You know what I'm saying. It's like people figure out the rest later. It's like people who have a bad attitude at a store. But like, Yo, when you were actu your job interview, I'm pretty sure

you weren't like this. You're really happy to That's like like like the ship meet Milby saying, I'm like, yo, Meek, every time you turn into an album, you know your advances in the seven figures. So it's like, you know what it is like, I don't know what a Meek Meal album is worked nowadays from the labels perspective's at least he's at least getting at least two to five

million every time. No, I love Meek, but like I also think though you can outperform your contract, I definitely feel like so if you outperform your contract, they like there should be some sort of clause where I believe there should be almost like almost like sports. I believe the contract ain't up yet, but we need to renegotiate. Let's let's keep it fair, Kyler Murray right now, Yeah,

let's Kyler Murray. Let's let's keep it feel because some of these artists, they sign these deals where they're when they're young, when they're unknown, the unknown, they're in a fucking situation, give me the bag, and then, like we said, it's predatory of the label, they might make this label hundreds of millions of dollars. Y'all can say, you know what, we gotta switch this up. Let's send justice, let's be fair. But there's nobody to hold the music people accountable for that.

Like it's just yeah, there's a very few people who do that kind of shit. I feel like Shipes is the kind of guy that Shipes is, like, Yo, you know what, we need to fix this up. You know what I'm saying, I'm very artist friendly. Let's let's fix this deal up. You know what I'm saying. No, in terms of like you want people to stay with you too, yeah, and you want to be you just want to be a good human being, a fair person. Like yo, listen,

I'm all for getting money. I love getting money. Getting money it gives you freedom to do the things you need to do. But you don't want to take nothing from nobody else out of somebody else pocket, you know what I'm saying. Let that person get what they're earned and what's fit to them as all as well. Who's been for you? Like you know, I think during the pandemic there's been like some m VPS man on the rapper side who's kind of been your pandemic m v P ship, m v P man. I don't know, I

don't know. There's been a couple of m vps. The hands down m v P of the pandemic has been versus versus D Nice and versus D Nice. Early on, for sure he had it, but the verses until the feats all feats, the alleged feats. He was probably him to re Lanes, was it? I just mean in terms of like, uh, I think, I don't know. I look at guys like I think Freddy's up there, Conways up there, Oh, I mean Conway is gonna do what I just mean? Like yo, Like, yeah, I just feel like like output

as artists. I don't know, man, it wasn't nobody that really sees the moment that grabbed it like that put a feeling or uh like when we look back little Baby maybe yeah, little Baby was high before. I feel like it just went to another level. He was high before. He's gonna bet after a Little Baby's special. I'm just saying, like it's nobody that ten years from now, we're going to look back and like, Yo, this is the sound of those two years with Maybe Kendrick could drop an

album and it embodies I think. I feel like I feel like we're past it. I feel like it has it. They dropped that they dropped the mask man day in LA I said, all right, find it is it is it mandated in New York State. He just dropped it on the seventh. Are you are you still a Knicks fan or you a net fan? Baby? You dreamp. I've been to Brooklyn. That's fan for since they came to the day they came to Brooklyn, the day are you sure it was? The day went to their first game.

Was at that first game. Shout to Adidas, shout to John Wexler. Was at the first game and the Adidas Sweet So first day Natecine to Brooklyn, I'm rocking with him. I'm from I'm from Brooklyn before from New York. What's up with everyone who was on BSB? Do you want to talk to anybody? Lido? That's the crow I love. Man. He just just started doing music again. Yeah, what the fuck? He let Haddo had some momentum leaders running around. Man,

little had to get get hisself together. He got himself together. Now he's back at it. He kind of fell out of love for music. You know, that makes sense. He was was like, Yo, I'm good. He I don't want to talk about his money, but he good place. So it's like, you know what I'm saying. He got in a good place and he's like, man music, but now he kind of would you would you manage Leado again? I that's that's like whenever whenever he ready, you had

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need a team. You need a social media person, social media, digital marketing. You need a cameraman, you need a producer, you need an engineer, you need a PR person. The PR person can come a little bit later on, when it is when you need it. Formulate a team and start building. Create a plan and stick to it. Don't have no plan. B's believe in God, keep it fair, keep it ethical, and work. Don't take everything on by yourself. No, no,

it's impossible. Yeah, it's impossible. You have a team. You know what I'm saying people when PR come, because you know a lot of times I think I see artists do the PR thing too soon. As needed, I would say, as needed, just like cooking. You know, you know at what they say to taste, to taste when when needed, When when you get to the point where your faces need to be seen in your city and you need to be at every party, and you need to be in the mix. You need to know the right shit.

Then you get a pr when people are calling actioning for interviews for you and shit like that, then you need a p all. Until then you don't need it. But the other things you need. You need a videographer trailing you every day, studio sessions, you need an engineer, you need a producer, and you need a digital marketer. And when after you get to that point, you need

a playlister. What's a digital marketer? Somebody who like, you know, you see these things on these websites, star generation, getting you that those looks you see you think these should just happen organically, like, of course not. Yeah, So there's somebody who has a relationship with these people. They're kind of like somebody who used to work radio records at radio that relationship across the country with the DJs. What

is a playlister playlist somebody who you don't playlist. You know what I'm saying that use a curated playlist as well, because use your curated playlists are very important. They're kind of like a all these things cost money everything, so save your money. What is that a dollar? Like like you know, let's say, what's the minimum dollar amount somebody should like try to save up before they really start trying to build that ship out, because that's those aren't

cheap things to put together. I mean you gotta maybe you might be able to get a free videographer starting out that believes in you, just same with your engineers, same with the producer. They all believe in playlisting and the digital marketing word. So what's that dollar amount? You think minimum A good digital guy is gonna be at least at least Fitteen one hundred twenty five hundred campaign. Then you're gonna need money to actually give that person

to run the campaigns. We're gonna get incentive, we're gonna do it. We're gonna see these videos out and we're gonna do this content and it's gonna cost x amount. We're gonna buy this amount of Uh you know what I'm saying. So you need actual money to give that person, well the digital market handle your YouTube ads? Yes, okay, good one, which is important? TRUEVI you true you? What's

true of you? True view is like the It's like when you see, say a Snoop Dogg video come on, and after it, right into it, a YG or somebody video come on like something that's very similar algorithms. You want to piggyback off that algorithm. You know what I'm saying. So when you see a high performing video video that comes right after it, you know what I'm saying. That makes sense. So we think about five five bands, say I want to drop a single. If you want to

drop a single, you drop a project single. A single. I said, you should have ten thousand dollars. Ten thousand dollars, and that's low low, and make sure your singles mix it mastered. Make sure you got money to shoot a decent video. You get a decent video shot for cheap. You don't got to get a decent video shot for cheap. Then you need somebody who's going to work it at the playlist level, you know what I'm saying. Somebody who's going to service it. But there it is. And then

another person on the team. When you really you see how your team gets so big, then why this person got all these people? You need somebody who is gonna pitt your shit For Saints, to the movies and TVs. That's a that's a bag as well a sink person. The sink thing is uh sing because they because they work off of commission, a lot of them. So it's like if they don't get you nothing, If you don't get you know, you're playing nothing. But so so these

people you're talking about. If someone's in Wichita, Kansas and they don't know any how do they find How do you find these people? Nigga? If you know and wich It Talk Kansas, you gotta go where these people are. You gotta go to New York, gotta go to LA. Yeah, that's like any job. If I'm trying to be an actor, you gotta get the fuck out of what's a good chance that I'm not going to be an actor in which it's all I'm gonna have to move to LA or New York have to come and get noticed. So

I mean, you take your crab seriously. You got to go where the people are. Are you the type of UH manager who will work with an artist based strictly on how good the music is in maybe there's no numbers behind. I'm not a number chaser, and sometimes you got to go with your feeling. It's like baseball, like everything is now is like not by the coach, can't really call it's all analytic based, analytic based money ball shit.

That's not how you you feel a star like, you get their star quality when you see them, when you meet them, you know what I'm saying, watching them interact with people, watching them perform, So that can't be just dictated by numbers. You know what I'm saying. That's a feeling, that's I mean, that's real. I think that's you want to do a mix, you want to be a hybrid. You definitely don't want to start. I know me at this point, I'm too busy to start with artists who

are at zero. So if you're at a four or five, I can help, But if you got twelve Instagram followers, it's like I can't do that. And there's other managers at this point that can then or willing to do. Have you done that where like someone will come to you and you're like, yeah, I see the potential, but I can't take this on right now every day. Let me lob this to somebody who's like, who's like some of the other managers that you fuck with that youth. Man,

it's a lot. I don't want to nobody out and get offended. I funk with a lot of manages. Man, Who's who's your big homie in the manager game? See, I don't really have a big homie. Has somebody I looked up to eventually rest in peace, Chris Lighty, But like, I don't have no big homie. It wasn't no in terms of just like somebody who mentoreds you. Nobody, nobody like you know what I'm saying. At the time when I was really trying to understand music, I wasn't around

a bunch of managers. Was lucky, luckily enough, around a bunch of executives, Like I was hanging with Sycamore every day. We were going to Hot Crib. Joey II and Tod Moscowis used to let me sit in the office at Asylum, like picking up on deals and what's going on and ship like that. I wasn't around the managers, but like WAYNEO, Wayne's managed, no more executive. These are my friends, like the people, the people of the culture. That's I was a great guy. Yeah, yo, we got to stop the

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ever start your own imprint again? Yeah? You see the dope thing about how the dealers with shipes like I have. I still have my own management outside, Like yeah, the banks instead styles away from Cinematic, hope ain't doing good management. So you know what I'm saying, Like I managed people on the outside of that, so I never stopped having my own thing. I mean just like a record label though, Oh record label, that's I think that might be my

next phase. Like finding an artist and really just breaking them. I think that might be my next phase. I think how you see artists, Oh, now you see executives kind of like doing that nowadays, like the top monscho is how he's with Gucci and Leo, how he's with Doug, How you have one guy? That might that might be my next phase, like finding artists and signing him to me and that might be my next thing. Shout out to Hovan, Where are you teaching at Kingsborough Community College?

A teacher college course on the business of music once a week, no not once a week no more. It's semester, semester base, but it was ten weeks a ten week semester. So I did it two times. I'm doing it again. We're coming back in the middle of April and I'm gonna have nothing but female guest hosts. Oh fire. Yeah. Last semester I had Charlemagne beat out Rob Markman. Shipes did it zoom on zoom because of the much much easier than it's easy hop on a zoom real quick. Yeah. Yeah.

So it used to be every Monday for ten weeks. Iurt and a half class. So I talked to the kids about different ship I have shipes coming to them, talking about entrepreneurialship beat out, talking to them about podcasts and the media right, talking to them about journalism. They learned every aspect of the music. I had our CFO come talk to them about mechanical royalties and payments and like,

they learned every aspect of music. So this semester I'm gonna I have nothing but female female managers A and rs. You know what I'm saying. You know it's crazy because you mentioned the royalties and mechanicals and all that shit. I do feel like the pub side of the music industry it's unknown. Well it's the most it just feels like the most confusing. I sit down with my CFO, the CFO by company, and he gives me like a class to myself. I'm still learning as as somebody who's

been in this game. And you know what I'm saying, There's certain things that he told me that I don't really fully understand. And I go home and do some homework and read on it, Like, hey, what can I read? Can you show me some contracts that you know what I'm saying. It's a lot to learn and you have to want to learn it. That's why I've been saying, like, you can't let nobody take advantage you because the information is out there. You just got to go on YouTube, bro,

Everything University, everything is on YouTube. Yeah, Like it's a matter if you want do you want to sit there and do you want to do? That's really all you want to entrust in someone to tell you and that person might be dishonest or they might not know. Like, information is free, man, and I'm a person I like to learn. I'm a teacher in the student. Yeah, man, that's I think a lot of people that like I feel like the Internet has removed all excuses. There's no

reason for you not to know anything. I tell my daughters all the time. Don't tell me I don't know. There's no reason you don't know something. That's some real shit, man, that's some real ship. Well listen, ho Vane. Is there anything else you got coming? Oh? Man, just got a bunch of music coming this year from all of my artists. Stay tuned. See you at the Smokers Club Fest for what that is? That the twentieth thirty. That's in La

Whiz headliner headline. I don't even know if Wei's headlining because Blue Bay Fiasco is doing the Whole Food and Liquor. They just added Chief Keef. You do. It's a Smokers Club show and it's in April. Wiz's headlining. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like it's gonna be crazy. It's a lot of you know, he's the first name on the flyer. Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot of headliners. Man, I'm happy to get back on the road this year.

It's gonna be a lot of good things. Man. Uh, maybe you're gonna try to get in the podcast game. I want to, man, I just gotta make time. I want to bring best seat in the house back. I definitely want to have you on and you talk about your story, because your story is when that people might not know. I want to do that. That's what I've been telling myself. I want to learn how to DJ, and I want to get back to my podcast this year. I wrote those down DJ and podcast learn. You could

be the manager slash toward DJ. I not even told J. I want to be the guy that does like this. You know how they having Bismarcky come through. That's the piece like he come from KP Kawan Prayer shot to KP KP and the DJ bass broad Shot come through, DJ Pain come through DJ. I want to just like come provide the vibe to a couple of dope places. I respect the whole house. Yeah, you know, I respect what you do your DJ. Yeah. Shout out to my guy Hovan Man, go check him out. What's your haw?

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