#156 - Big K.R.I.T.

and it's just crazy. The time and the music. It just makes a lot of sense right now too. I mean, everybody's back outside. These are all my brothers, and we've been rocking with each other for years from the jump. Yeah, and that shit was just so organic, bro, Like it was we literally one day in the studio, Girl Talk had all the crazy ass beats to the point where once we did it, Girl Talk did all the mixing, you know, arranged everything secrets. And I literally just heard

the album last week. That's crazy, and I was like, and I trust the homiecause I know he's very meticulous with music, and so I'm hearing the breakdown of the song I got on there and I'm like, damn, you chopped the fuck out of the beat, and I'm listening to it for the like, oh shit, you got a different appreciation too as a producer. Yeah, yeah, you guys

dis a whiz in yourself. I feel like all kind of will be kind of somewhat tied together forever, just based on and currency obviously, but just based on the Smokers Club on obviously, the records early on in Christian Orange Juice, Cushion, Orange Juice and the Glasshouse and all that. Like, I feel like this is a kind of a nostalgic project for guys like myself who missed that era of hip hop what we like to call maybe the early

blog era, early blog era. What Like, I guess for you, what was your thought process in saying like, yeah, this is this feels cause you know, Wiz has got to like going on, You gotta like going on. This is doing a whole lot of shit. He's doing weed, he's on podcasts, the albums, everything I heard that you guys did this in one day, yeah, one session, yeah, and then everybody else had solo records with Girl Talk before that, I'm sure, and that gave us the opportunity to have

our own, like individual songs. But I think, man, it was for me it was a breath of fresh air. It was the kind of album where not only did we not expect to do it, and we just fucking got into like, oh, this is gonna come out crazy, but not having the pressure of it thinking about it like it's a label album kind of thing or all you gotta be very calculated. We was like, fuck it, we're making jam and ass music and then put it

together and it's out now, you know. And for me, I needed this opportunity with the homies too, because it just reminds me of why I even do it and when I started in the field of that and we as being the first person I even went on tour with, you know, back in twenty ten. So it's like, man, we it's a different kind of you know, family friendship, especially in this music industry. That Bro, we came together the mace of jam shit literally just had fun. Bro.

Which tour was the twenty ten tour Chrishion Orangeices that was the original Cushion Oranges stead Bro. I literally, yeah, we was out there, you know, you were like like when you when you hear a record like glass House and like kind of like when we think back to like maybe how important that record was and how it kind of just helped it really kind of I think it helped everyone out. And it's such a cultural like

I think of one train, right, that's another one of those. Definitely, I think a glass House is like one of those as well. It just kind of encapsulated that time period in south By Southwest, south By Southwest, free mixtapes, bucket Man, do every show you can standing on you know, not even on the stage, just freestyle and sit in the street. How often you go back and listen to that record? And like what memories is that record given? You bring

a lot of memories people. People won't you know, I mean, to perform that song, I don't You're the best. You had the best verse on that rackd I mean, I mean,

thank you, you know, I appreciate that. But for me, it was just like I think respectfully, they know, I mean, look, I will say the way that record came about and then what happened with my career after was because the Homies was definitely not only crushing it, but Cushion Orange Juice was I mean, I think it was about to come out and just the excitement behind everybody and kind of be a new artists and we were getting our own separate deals, and the doing that record put me

put my name in front of a lot of people that wasn't aware of what I was doing, because was Glasshouse before Creit was here? Yeah, I think Glasshouse we did that twenty ten March. I think Cruiser came out in April or May. I was about to say it felt like it was like a like right before, Yeah, And so that that put me in a lot of people cars and me, who is this motherfucker? And then between the beat because even the kind of track I don't the homies wouldn't necessarily always rap on that kind

of kind of thing too. And so after that, going on tour, being able to perform that with Wiz in the currency just kind of kept putting my name out there up until we did a two thousand Living Double x CeAl cover. That's when people really saw who I was, because I wouldn't even put my face on covers and ships didn't know what the fuck I looked like. That's real.

You were kind of you were a little key early on. Yeah, you know, and so you your face wasn't on any of the artwork, very very just the brand create name. And I remember going out on the road with Wiz and then Black and Yellow had took off while he was on the road and just I was living in Vegas. I think that ship was so crazy, bro, and the energy and I know it was still thousands people didn't know idea who the fuck I was, but it definitely gave me opportunity a platform to get new fans. Yeah,

that was That was a moment. Black and Yellow was one of the macas like oh it's got one now, Like okay, at the one one the ones here because before that I was like okay, he's up next. But yeah, but once you catch one of them, that shit took off. Bro. Yeah, if it put you in a different sphere, for sure. I what I also appreciate is I actually recently got to purchase crit was here on vinyl. Hey we thank you. I was out a MEBA and I was surprised to see it. Yeah, and I was like, wait a minute, shit,

I don't know if it's a bootlegger. I hope not, but no, I mean, it was just amazing to be able to have that out on streaming platforms for people to listen to it. Now, I was gonna say, like, I know that was an uphill battle. I mean, because you wanted. It's not only sample clearances, I mean and me is also the thought process behind not wanting it to sound, not wanting to lose clean it up too much,

wanting people still get that same feel. Some records didn't make it, you know, something that had to change, But it's still a blessing man, all these years to be able to put that out and people actually wanted to listen. I'm just happy that I don't have to go to that PIF anymore. Yeah ah yeah on YouTube and it

cut off after the YouTube is the worst. Yeah. So you know, but no, we out here man, and it's just to have a catalog is a beautiful thing, too, Broder and you have a catalog, I was like, over four hundred fucking songs. You have four hundred songs on DSP to got to do at this point, that makes sense? Yeah, so how many albums officially? Now that teen ten albums? Wow? Yeah, I think Mina will stay ten. Yeah. So and in

still having the hunger to do this. That's not even including the little EPs you dropped like four years ago, freestyle ships and all that, all the features combined, definitely got a lot of music out here with features combined your over four hundred year wild Now. Yeah, here's a song I recently, uh just came up on my YouTube. I don't know, I was just listening to music and it was the fullest ship record you did with Oh

yeah Yellow. Yeah that record is disrespectful. Verse on that song is so I'm like, bro, if you dropped this in twenty twenty two, you're getting Yeah, but that ship was damning for what the time period? But no, we can't. Yeah, they got that shit, gotta stay back there. The hook alone is just yes, I guess I'm full. Yeah, Yeah, that's real. Let's talk about digital roses don't die, sir. Love the title thank You. I think it fits the

vibe of this project. You've dabbled with some funky shit in the past, but I feel like with this album you fully committed to just a different vibe than when we get in the car and press play on a Crest album. Yeah, where's your head? Where's your head out? When you're making this project and it sounds amazing. I think you executed it amazingly. Thank you. I mean, for me, I just didn't want to drop an album coming out of twenty twenty twenty twenty one that sounded like what

people know me for. I wanted to change and show the kind of growth not only I've gotten mentally, but musically and grounded and comfortable like I it's okay for me to make a funky record or sing on my entire You sound great singing many bas you sound good. Not too much? Yeah, who isn't using tunes? Let's be honest, but a little fucker's using tune on the rapping verses. But the thing was too bro, It's like you can't.

There's nobody the feature for you in your life. Right, So been writing this album, it's like if it's a love album, the only two voices that you hear constantly is me and this amazing singer named Roland, right, and it's this back and forth for me and this woman kind of relationship thing. And so records like Generational way Down, It's my story, is how I feel. So despite how many notes I might hit this bed, I have to sing this because it's how it's I wrote it, and

it's it's my personal experience. And so starting to think about music like that kind of changed how I even approach your album at this point, right. And it's amazing that the Girl Talk album is coming out because I get to be young spirits, you know, maybe people that missed that Glass House Country ship for myself, and that's cool, But that was in my twenties. You know, I'm in my thirties and I'm supposed to grow, and your fans are growing, manah, I mean, shit, they got kids, most

of them facts, you know what I'm saying. Or they then went through the college experience and they're trying to get they house, you know, and how many I mean, if you're thinking twenty ten was doing, I mean that's twelve years. Yeah, but I started. My first part just came out in two thousand and four. That's crazy, you know what I'm saying. And so I've been I've done that and I've been in eighteen years. Yeah bro, Yeah, first beat ever made was in nineteen ninety nine, so

this is two thousand and one. I dropped my first mixtape in my city. It Lily was twenty one years ago. Yeah, yep. So it's like I've been doing it to be able to be as vulnerable as I was on this album, to make a record like more than Roses and have that flu the dude killed it. That was the closest thing I've ever got to making something really Hutch would make something, and I just felt that way, you know, and to me, that's what I do this for, bro,

I gotta challenge myself. It just gave me like a really like timeless feel like this shit will live in like ten years. It could have lived in nineteen seventy eight. It could actually and if you go with it, if you're in a relationship, it's something in this album that's for you. Yeah, you might be you might not be with it now, but you don't worry. You'll go. You're

gonna go through one of these motherfucker tracks, you know. No. I love the title too, just like because we live in a world in which everything is digital, and you know, what was your motivation to that digital? Roses don't die? There was two different perspectives. The first one was the fact that we document our relationships in a sense, and even if you're not with that person, that stuff is

still out there to sea still on the Internet. They could bring you down or it can encourage you, depending on how you feel. I didn't think that. But in the grander scheme, we've been digital way longer than when we think. My dad showed me a picture of my sent me a picture of my grandparents when they were super young together, and then I'm looking at this and

I'm like, this is a digital rose. You know, neither one of my grandparents are here, but this has been passed down from generation to generation and now I'm gonna get to pass it down to my kids as well. So this is way bigger than it just being the Internet. This is your own personal experience and journey being documented and people get to look back at it, and it goes from not only the people in the picture, but who took the photo, what was happening during that time,

Iron period. You know, we're seeing pictures of people that deal with the Spanish fluid and mask. Everybody saw that. Now we we we got photos like that, we got we got documented time. We're gonna be like, yeah, we're living we're living in history right now. We don't even

realize it because we're in it. Like, man, what the fuck are they wearing from now, we're going to look back and be like, y'all remember crazy then two years were crazy, And so for me, it's just about expressing it and wanting people to really take heed and document and and give those roses today to each other. Now it's very important. I'm glad you did this collab project because we've always been teased with you doing collab projects

as artists and they've never happened. You and Yellow the Country cousins, and then me and Saw I had a conversation and you and so Highway did. I don't know who would out wrap too, but that would have been like, yeah, and he's a he's a monster. That would have been like spy versus spy. He's a monster. So it's and but these this, this, this kind of gave me the confidence moving forward to like, I listen listen lab more because it's if for me, it's I have to let

go of the rains a little bit too. Not wanting to produce. I'm gonna say, because you handle so much of the creative process for all of your music, I feel back this time. I mean it was a collective off fort us being in the studio so we trust each other's cook writing capabilities. We know who verse will sound better first or second. You know what I'm saying, Oh, I don't even need to be on that song. That's all you broke as you snapping and having that kind

of confidence in your skill. That's what makes the album jamming because we know we're all gonna snap, you know what I'm saying. So that's real. Yeah, if you uh, you're one of the you know, there's some great producers slash artists. Obviously Kanye J. Cole don't get enough love for that. Ja Cole was he don't produce as much as he used to. It's taxing too, though, Bro, when you sitting there having to make the beat right the hood, you know, do the verse, it's a challenge. I feel like,

what was it? The last was it? The last album was the first time you kind of totally were like it is here. I was like, Yo, you were like one record now Blue Flame Ballet, which was see but I was still I was letting people know that was a great fucking record, like that I'm gonna go this way, you know, but and that. But even working with them showed me that it's ways of me trying to work on music that I don't have to stick with samples anymore or even the idea of it. So if you're

listening to digital roses don't die. There's no samples. And I was gonna say, like producing an album like this where there's live instrumentation, you talked about bringing in a food player. Yeah, that's got to add a different element to just your whole process. That's gotta be kind of fun. Oh, it was fun, But then it's it's also makes it a little bit more difficult, right, I'm about to say, but it's scary because you funk off and goes so

like it's like that thousand digitals thing. It's like, oh, I'm gonna put this in and put this in, spending months on a record and a little bit more expensive to then play it for people and they don't get what the fuck you where you're going with it? Like I'm gonna take this risk, and that's and then and I took it. I really took that risks because I remember even when I did the the record show you, right, they went through so many versions of that song before.

When I would play it, people would get it. But in the beginning, it was like, they still don't get it. I got to holler at the homie Modre so he can do the talkbox, so I can defunk, so you can actually feel where I'm going, and these elements can change the listener's ear quickly. Yeah, it was definitely a risk, but I think there's a few people who could pull pull that ship off. I'm not sure you're capable of

doing anything really terrible. If I did, you would never hear it, yes, cause I know I know I'd have made some ship, but you'll never hear you know what I'm saying. But that's a that's a part of the creative process. Like it normally starts in the morning. I give me some good piano chords going, and I go to singing. Then by that time I'm shooting the ideal over the Dutch, like, bro, what you think about this?

And then through through on just playing it through the speaker and like that's hard, and then I just keep

building from there. Talk to me about your death jam Era, because as a fan, it was extremely frustrating because I'd always I guess when you ended up at death jam I was like, oh, now this it's it's going down right, and we at the hip hop Michle what Death Jam finally's got the machine behind because just cinematic Yeah okay at the time, and I just felt like, at least from a fans perspective, they grossly mishandled you or just

just not did not know what to do with big Critic. Well, the building that signed me, like I think two weeks a month later was gone. That happens a lot, and then you you already kind of starting off rocky because you got working with the people that may have been people who believed in you, that brought you in. Y're gone. And man, I was determined and shout out the shot

money and my team. I was determined to produce my first album no matter what I was like, Man, there was a gold and it was something that I needed to do for myself because it was that idea old crit sign watched it ship change up, so I just like fucked that, you know. And then I went right into doing all the beats and wanting to keep it the same way I did with the mixtapes and what with the projects at the time. And so what happened is the samples of some samples I couldn't clear some

features I couldn't get. Then when you mixing that kind of stuff and you having to remove things off the whim, it just changed the narrative of what the album originally would have felt like because I couldn't get sample clearances, and we fought for a lot of the records and I had the change them. Shits like three days before I had to turn the album me in kind of stuff. And I've been listening to this live from underground song a certain kind of way, and I gotta I gotta

change it. I gotta get this piano played, but try to make it sound old. But you know what it's like when you sample something then you try to recreate it. Sometimes it's not quite right. But in that album, we showed people that just because you're not getting the label support and they don't know what to do it, it doesn't mean that people aren't gonna buy it. It was a great album. Yeah, And and my supporters came through, and then first we sales. My fuckers looking at us

like how did y'all do that? I was like, mean, y'all, like I have they my people, they come out, you know. But even with singles, trying to get the single pushed and then ship we dropped money on the floor in twenty eleven September. My album didn't come out till June twenty twelve, so I had literally trying to promote you single for damn a year. Okay, So crit was here came out when in Return to Forever dropped twenty eleven. It came out March, and Them was the third tape

before the album. The day I dropped to think about that I had in order to keep the momentum going. I knew how because Forever the day you already were on death jam, right, I had to drop something in order to keep keeping You're like, I mean, between you and Wiz and I'm probably forgetting, but you guys have the albums that weren't albums, but they were albums. I mean, but that was the best way to keep people engaged.

It was free, you know, they weren't mixtapes. They were like this new thing where people were just giving away real albums. That was the best. That was your best calling card at the time, though, Like and then if you any for me, it was like, man, I want to make sure that this project competes with these major label albums, regardless of how I'm doing it in my room. We drop it randomly, and that's what he did. To the point people was like, for and Day should have

been your album, you know, And I had to. I had to. I had to take that with a grain of salt. But I'm like, I spent a different kind of energy. It was different. You didn't have to worry about nobody. Even it was called the Red Tape. I just popped up and was like, yo, I remember Ford the Day or uh yeah, the last table for that did drop out of nowhere? Yeah, because I told her, I said, we need to do something. It's out here, bro,

we need to drop this. And then then it becomes this thing where I had so much creative freedom to do it. So I'm fucking working either the cover, everything about it just became Oh, that could have been my album? What is your? My favorite project of yours is returning Forever? What is you? If you? If you had to, if you had to, like tell one, like, I don't know, let's say, fucking aliens came down and they're like, what's your best album? We're trying to take the shit to Mars.

What's the album you give them? I got I gotta says it's for, It's for was a mighty long time in return forether. I think those two pretty much sum up the growth and what I'm capable of. And Fela's burning alone time was not only a process, but it was this beautiful way of me telling people that I have these do ways of thinking about my career and

then wanting to be this turnent artist. And I love, you know, performing that, but I got so much more to say and here, and then sometimes I don't even know if music, if I'm getting my point across with the event enough, or if drinking sessions is like I'm doing this stuff because I feel this way and it's not just me trying to shock value kind of thing. And so it was just being able to be that open,

that creative. And I appreciate my team for letting me do a double album, which nobody was doing that at the time. It's true, like that's a lot of music. I was like, bru, that's a lot, and then it's not even up on iTunes. It's just one of the long Well that's the thing about nowadays, it's like if you drop a double album, you just drop a long ass. This long ass playlist if it's not broken up in pieces.

But fact, even doing the Justin Scott intro is like I sampled my own intro to create the big Creed intro. So it's just small things. It's like, Man, I'm always taking the next step creatively if I can. Hey, we got to stop the interview real quick. Man. Shout out to our sponsors at my Bookie. Now, if you're into sports like me and you like to win money what we're doing, go to my Bookie right now. Man, let's get in on some of this action my Bookie. Go

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that the record we did with Echo Underground Airplane. You remember that. I remember when clothing brands used to do SONGTSG mixtape Echo. Yeah, that's what's hard. But it's between that and one train. I got off on one train. One train is like I went the fuck off. It's like it should be in a museum. To me, I'm gonna tell you this funny story about this shit. The reason why I was like, I don't give a fuck. I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do A thirty two. I'm

gonna just keep going. We do the BT Award cipher BT Tailler's write twelve boss to this instrumental? Cool, we get to the cipher, everybody kicking fucking forty eights and sixty four? Is this shit? My verses A twelve, I'm like, I'll never again get a motherfucking instrumental and not just go crazy. So once Rocky singing to me, and I love the way he did it because it was like nobody hurt. Nobody first say here go to instrumental. Bro any idea, who's gonna be I know what the fuck

gonna be on the song? Yeah, I'm like all right, so yeah, wow, like I'm gonna go fucking crazy and the BB king line r ip the legend. It was your self, Wolf, Joey, Badass, Danny Brown, h Action was on it. I'm forgetting I'm like, I'm Rick was on it. Kendrick was on it. Fuck, that was it. That was a moment. That's crazy, that was the moment. Yeah, it's it's so that was bold for that one. That was

that was dope. Well, I just think that, like you said that you you you view your career through two different perspectives at times, or at least that on that album you said that you had kind of communicated that

in the day, I did the same thing. I feel like when it like like a lot of people have you in the guards of like being one of the greatest right of all time, of your generation whatever, actually put out a I don't you remember when that hundred Rappers someone put out a Yeah, But I put out I put out a list, and I think I had you, like in the top twenty or twenty five, and I had people in the I had Freddy super high, I had you super high, push a t with super hot.

I had you a buffer little Wayne for sure. Okay, okay, okay. People didn't like that. I'm pretty sure they didn't. But you know, in one regard, you're like in that conversation amongst the people who know, and then on the other side of the coin, it's like I still feel like somehow you haven't met your potential commercially yet, And I'm not saying that that is not coming. Yeah, I mean it's it's it's most people will say. Traditionally, I haven't

had a quote unquote hit. Country Ship probably was the Bigges Supposed to Stay that was the biggest record, and I think from that it was I tried to play the Sweetie and Little Wayne song in real in La. I was fighting to get that bitch on the mixed show thank You, thank You and that and even that record. Sometimes I've just been ahead of the curve just a little yeah, because that was a little pre before Sweetie

really caught, you know what I'm saying. And then even with having a record with Future right just last week record with two, I forgot about that song. And so it's for me, it's always wanting to work with people and just because I'm fucking what they sound, and then obviously things take off. But it's it's just been the narrative.

But I never chased it. I never was, like I think pay attention to working with Rico Love also was the closest thing because I was starting to get some yeah, and then that was me trying to find and kind of grow up a little more than what people was used to. That was a different record for which is the Wooden Chain, And you know the I forgot about the Wooden Chain, you know. So it's like I'm growing up,

you know. But going through all those things really showed me that people I don't have a box that I'm in, so people that if it's jamming, they cool with what I present and then just now doing it in the most authentic way as I possibly can, you know, but those are great piers. I go back and look at them videos. I'm like, man, we the quality for what it for the time time, for not necessarily having the

certain kind of label support that most would be. I never slacked on the fact that I wanted to give people the best me right, And I remember what Live from the Underground kind of went through with the critique of it, how people felt about it, coming back doing cattle at good then people going back and being like, you know what Live for the Underground was jamming? I like,

I mean, listen, I like that one too. Yeah, I mean, but it was just it was always like and keep in mind, bro be telling people, it's like, man, I had to create a whole planet I created a whole planet wrapped about it, the story of it, and it was still like, y'all still don't see, like I'm do

you want to know what it is? I think that when you come out with two projects like krit was Here and return It Forever, it's kind of like when NAS came out with Illmatic and it was written do you remember like NAS could do no right if it wasn't, Do you remember how long it's like, get it put on? You were always I just feel like you have some of the greatest bodies of work that we've heard in

the last twenty years. And so when you have those bodies of work, even if the other shit is fired, people are always gonna be like, but but the vent, yeah, I mean, and and what you're at peace with it. That's just what it is, what you obviously are just just keep putting, just keep doing you and running it up. It is crazy that I remember once QUB was came out and just what happened next, and then returning Forever twenty eleven, and just the movement behind the album. And

so for me it's like I get it. It still was like first introductions too, though this was like, oh man, it was new for what it was at the time. I'm from Mississippi and so to be that country and free and then it was just you know, it was

people first introduction with me. In twenty ten, I think you won uh DJ's z DJ booth dot Net Album or Mixtape of the Year, double x. I remember that year specifically because it was you, it was krit was here, it was trunk music, and it was I'm thinking of I'm trying to think of that we've been doing this for me, but just what a great fuck it like? Can you do you remember how great it was to just be like just for no red tape, let's just

drop music. I just as a fan, it's my favorite era ever because there was just so much ship and it was so easy to put people on the music and they was there and they was waiting. Everything was I don't know, but it was pre streaming still, right, So there was this aspect people fuck with your music. They had to go get it, they had to seek it out, they had to download it, they had the receipt, they had to get a virus on their laps on

her computer. For sure. Some of those drinks top up crazy shit, like what the fuck that's funny, man, But yeah, I've been blessed to be able to see both. Now it's a transition, you know, trying to see how the music game works in this era and how this feels because content is king right. But for me, it's just once again never losing the fact that I love when people listen to my music in their car when they go from point A to point B, and what that

means to them. So I'm never gonna just for the of what's happening in the music as short, people on what I bring to the table. This So this Girl Talk project would be your second project in about a month and some change. I hear you may or may not already have something coming soon. Don't worry about okay, But yeah, I mean come on, I mean, you've been resting for a couple of years, right, I'm assuming you've

been working. I got a lot, I got a lot of ship bro and then and then this is this, This is the step in the right direction of me staying more out on the front, doing more music because people know me to do an album and then probably disappear for a year or two. So now it's like, nah, I'm gonna constantly drop this time, and I'm excited because then you know, it's it's that they still get their turn.

Element of me, the growth of me into and branding multi is very important because I got my label and now it's like really trying to put artists out that I that I deem that I want people to really hear. Of course, some of those artists now I mean, well, roll in the young lady singing on the album, and her voice is amazing. Okay, you know what I'm saying. And at this moment, I think just focusing and wanting to work with her, and there was a couple of artists men, but I don't want to you know, I

ain't put it. I ain't put it together yet for you. Who was that dope ass singer from Atlanta that used to be on Everyone Ship Sometimes she wouldn't even get featured. Nikia? Was that her name sounds familiar? Does that sound right? Dutch? Nikia? She was hard. I just think she was like on hell she was on hell Ship. That's random tidbit. Let's talk about team because I do feel like team is so important in the music industry and I want to just give some love to your guy. Dutch because has

been your running mate for a very long time. Yeah. Man, the growth though, because Dutch started off as my tour manager, so being out there on the road and actually kind of putting up with how I was as an artist, and then being able to be very influential with being in the studio being around for those times, and then getting to the point where like, yo, bro, manage me right, and then this he would. And it's great too because Dutch is his own entity now, right, you know what

I'm saying. It's like he is his own own thing. So it's just dope to see the growth in me and him, both not only me as an artist, but him as a businessman. Has it been like, you know, are you kind of like coming from two different eras of music into the streaming era? What are the things that you've kind of had to like, maybe, yeah, pint your nose because you know, I think of TikTok. TikTok is one of those things that we think of. It's like, man,

it's some kiddy ass shit. But I'm just starting to notice like even the artists you would never think would be on TikTok, it's kind of like you have to be on TikTok. I mean it comes with the territory of what we do. Yes, And it's very quick how a record can take off on the right. It's become a radio station within itself. And so you kind of got a move of where the music is going right

and then to be gone for two years. I can't be mad at people to pick up another form of learning and finding out about artists, and it's it's going. And I remember even a being something that was like all you take a picture of your food. Oh, this is what I'm wearing today, you know what I'm saying. Like with Steals, this is like, man, you could just be in your bed just talking to you. You know what I'm saying. It totally removab smoking mirrors. It's crazy.

It's the most transparent. Uh well, fans and artists relationship or dynamic is the most transparent it's ever been, Which is why I feel like it's it's a lot harder to fake the funck now you could buy you know, streams, and I think the live show will pull the curtain back on whether or not you got real. But in terms of just like I think about R and B, do you remember like us growing up every R and B singer was a beautiful man with a six pack and chiseled and had the perfect hair. And now what's

B malone in the weekend? You know what I'm saying, it's it's and and but the music is so good and and I think people are like, yo, I I see through the product, because you know, those guys were products. I mean, but the understanding that people want to see and listen to people that look like that they could

relate to. They want to feel like they're yeah, yeah, I mean, because we're definitely running to the understanding that that particular individual or however they present themselves might not be realistic to how you can present us. Yeah, like Cisco with a leather jack abax jacket opened up with a twelve pack and bleached hair dancing in the rain. And I loved Cisco so respected. But I don't think I wanted to die my heal silver at all. So a lot of guys did. They did. My older brother did.

Can you imagine? Do you remember because of Cisco, we all used to wear fitted hats with Chinese letters on them. I had no idea what they said. You could have the fitted hat and the Chinese letter and then on the back it'd be the baseball team, what curly will you probably do this? But the sideburns that was kind of like, yeah, the genuine type burns. Yeah they yeah, didn't do those though into those I feel like I

feel yeah, I do feel like. That's kind of the positive thing that social media has done is it's kind of like even the playing field in a sense where like you don't have to be like you almost would rather be more relatable and like I want to have a beer with you and not fuck you. You know what I'm saying, not me specifically, I'm just what the fuck? Yeah, I feel what you're saying though. I mean, but it's

again is pulling the curtain bag. I think it's allowing artists not only to be more transparent, but it's still it's getting to that it's getting to being able to show that I and I have anxiety. Oh this frustrates me. Oh I don't like what's going on in my in my deal or my career. So it's definitely giving people more of that platform and not be so scared to actually express their A lot of that's been happening and they go in this is right there, Meek Mill NBA

young boy. I mean everyone has been being someone who's kind of experienced all sides of the game. If there's an up and cooming artist who's watching this, who might have a little something going on, and labels always trying to sign you, there's majors, there's many majors, there's you know, it's just a distribution company whatever. Right would you suggest someone go to major label route right now? I mean, well,

this depends on what they want in the beginning. Right As an artist, I wanted to be played on the radio. I wanted to be signed to a major because it's just this grandiose thing about doing music. If they feel that the deal is structured in a way that they can still get the joy of being signed and it be fair, then by all means do it. My personal experience might not be like someone else's. I know a lot of artists that are signed and they seem to

get a fair shake in it. They get to check, they get the support, they do the late night shows, and it seems to work. It didn't necessarily work for me, right, and so I can't expect somebody to take my role with it because this isn't easy, you know, it's definitely the role. Let's travel you. It's like being it's like being on a private airport. I talk about all this time. It's like when you were a label. It's a huge airport, planes leaving, you know, independent, you're you're at Burbank, you

get to walk right through. Yeah, but when it's when the when the air is full, you can't take off. This is true, and it's harder to get to some destinations. You gotta you gotta connect. Yeah. So and for me it's like once we figure it out. But it was so weird. Once we left death Jam and we told people that I was leaving, it was so many motherfuckers They're like, bro, you saying dep jail. Yeah. I don't think a lot of people knew that who were tied to the sun was like, yeah, was with depth Jam

for six seven years. It was a minute and it's like, oh, we didn't even know. It's so crazy. And it's it's crazy too because like I think of like I just don't know. I don't know. Man. As a fan, I just was like, what the fuck is death Jam doing? Like nothing like anything you like feature wise or like all that ship. It was. There was some still some great people we met there. And then even with me,

it was the understanding that I'm from the South. I'm from a place that a lot of people haven't even been, right, So when you're talking about trying to create a certain kind of what's the word, I wanted to support in a building where they seeing their favorite artists come through all the time, right, And it was a lot of young people, and yeah, they might fuck with me as a person, but they weren't might have been into my music,

might not have knew about my music. They want to promote for their favorite artists, right, And so you know, you run into that, and then you get the situation where the album come out, you go in the office and everybody in the building playing your songs and you like, I know good and damn well, y'all don't do this every day, and so I mean, you appreciate them trying.

But we went out and we was We knew that I had hard ticket sales, that I had support from people because I was on the ground and we was doing all the runs, meeting the DJs, and I'm very hands on with how I interact with people, and so that helped my career tremendously. Bro that it didn't matter that we didn't have certain outlets and certain press and push because we still was selling our shows. Correct me

if I'm wrong, because I don't remember. Remember if you were on these albums, because I was we were talking about this album earlier. Did Russ tap in with you on any of the Chumps? Yeah, I'm up to make sure I'm not. Yeah, I don't care. Shout out to the homie for that because he gets busy too. Yeah. I mean, he pretty much just grabbed like every rapper that was like incredible in the world that would work with fun with the fact that he was a total

told thing. It's like, and he's sending you his verse too, and they take a lot to be like, all right, this is what I did, and I'm totally comfortable with you hearing what I did. A lot of people don't do that, nah, because they want to be able to be like I got out and I got No. He was very confident with like, hey, I did what I did here. Yeah. Shout out to Russ. Yeah, man, he's he's doing his thing ship independently. Are you Are you staying independent? Are you? Yeah? Man, a label can only

partner with my label. I'll never feelically signed to a major. Smart move man. It's like I'm past that point. I wouldn't even begin to know how to play that game. How do you pick? Like? Because I mean, do you do you link up with the distribute distributing partner or do you do the straight tune core? Now BMG? BMG is distributing. Yeah, that's dope. And it's one of them situations where I work on the music, me and my team feel comfortable with it, and then we dropped the album.

It's not like a go in have to play it and get none. We think like we passed it. Ain't no, ain't no performing on tables and ship did you ever have never? Did? I want to say, did you ever have never did it? You would have broke the table. I'm just letting you know. But I wouldn't go to do this. How Like your live show has always been one of the more special ones in hip hop because I feel like, if you're on stage and it's just you and the DJ and no bullshit going on, you're

killing it. You're gonna turn up. I mean, I learned from Banner. David Banner David Banner. David Banner. Then yellow Wolf was go crazy. Yellow Wolf was special. I mean he still is special, go crazy on stage, and so it's one of even when it was old, like south By Southwest, it was climbing up on ship just jumping off of those early south By shows were like, uh, yeah, we legends things. The legends are made of animal house Bro. We was wild and Magnill all of us is crazy

on stage. Bro. Those are the days where you could actually like you could go to south By and leave the deal yep, because that's what That's what happened with Wolf. Yeah, yeah, I mean sh the Wolf. It will I think, I think Stalley got Kendrick, I think currency everybody we went down there and then yeah, yeah, I don't know what it is now. I'm gonna go next week. Unfortunately I'm gonna go. But oh well, yeah, damn it is next week. I haven't been in a long time. Don't go, I'm going.

I'm going because I have to go. But you know what those days are like, Oh yeah, sixteen hours on your feet walking around hot just nothing like trying to find a taxi cab at four in the morning from the Elmore parking because if you rent a car and you got a hotel rooms, literally what hell was made of? South By Southwest is the worst ship ever. I so little.

You know, it's cool. I had fun, but I also know that, like I walked four and a half miles at three thirty in the morning because I couldn't get a fucking cab yo. And like you said, sometimes your hotel room is off in the cut far. So when you're done doing eleven random, I mean, oh you all you hearing all the rapping you're going there? It gets it gets crazy. I remember when Sprite. You remember that Sprite had first popped off. It was called it was

like Wheezy. Yeah, it was with it. You know how many people thought it was a new artist because it was the back of Lil Wayne's here. But it was like crazy was saying do Weezy? Everywhere? It was like, but who is this new rapper? That? It took some myself with bro south By is uh good times. I

hope it it somehow regains it. I was talking to the homie, Brian Hobbs, who works there, and I was I was like, I hope that Brian's good guy, and I hope that the two year break readjusted because it got to the point where it was super organic and it truly fell special. And then like this, there was a Dorido stage with Lady Gaga. Yeah, once he got to that point, it was I'm like, what the fuck is Lady gag got doing here? This is not for her. The labels got a hold of it, that PEPSI got

a hold of it. You couldn't get it. The stage game changed, and then now everyone's got a stack. Oh my god, everything bro. I posted on on on ig the other day that I was going to be at south By I got at least thirty d ms. Yo, come to my stage, come to my stage, or YO, how much to get on your stage? I'm like, dude,

first of all, are up and coming artists. If you're watching this and someone tries to charge you to get on their shitty south By Southwest stage, tell them to go fuck themselves, lord, because it's not gonna do anything for your fucking career. Nah, you might as well take all that money in buy YouTube ads for the last music video area Jesus in the day, because you're gonna spend that money and you're gonna perform for sixty stinky

ass people who don't even want to be there. They're just there because it's the only thing they could get into at the time. You really don't want to go. I don't wait. What don't you got rookie cards over there? What do we do it? Oh? That's his ship. You got basketball cards? Yeah? What do we got? We got some drama rants over there? He won't he looking for? Is do you collect basketball cards? Nah? That's that. That

would be a very expensive habit for me. Also, if you would have started, like at the beginning of the pandemic, a pretty fruitful habit. Yeah. But I mean, and I'm like, I'm a gamer to some degree. What do you play? Man? I play NBA two k MLB to show been my ship for the past year and some change. I've been playing the fuck out that game because it's I'm a baseball player at hard and then I'm playing this ship called Elden Ring right now. My son just told me

today is ridiculous. He said it was what's the name Elder Scrolls? Was that the name of that one? Bro? He says, it's like the new version of that bro. I've never played a game like this before. But that ship is so inner like it was like some medieval time dragon. I don't know how to fuck they came up with the idea to create something like this, Bro, it's just so will fire as fire as fuck. Bro, it's taking up too much of my time, right, you're

gonna get on Twitch. I tried to, but it's something I'm so competitive, so they potly be like, hey, bro, you don't have to win on Twitch. You just also could just talk shit. I mean see, I'm like fucking If I fuck up, I'm like pissed, and then I'm trying to be like nice at shit. You don't want to get you don't want to get canceled like that

dude on the Heat. Bro, do you remember the guy in the Heat who got smoked and he said, he said some crazy Jewish ship and see Myers Leonard And they released him and he's still not in the league and he's the seventh. He's like a six foot ten white guy who can hit threes. He's done oh ye off of Twitch. And in the moments you get pissed off and just say, did you see Snoop rage quit

a man? Yeah, I've seen him, but it's it's real though, and I mean for I also don't want if some stuff I do with my free time is just for me, it's for you. But that being said, T Pains making an extremely amount of money. He's crushing, but he's crushing and it works though. But T Pain is very He don't give a He's kind of made for twitch. Yeah, it works. It works in the Homie podcast and all that. It works well. Have you got on his podcast? Not yet, but I'm supposed to. It's a good I didn't need

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y'all be wearing on your ass. Throw all the methicas in the trash, all that PSD shit, all that shit is all listen, man, put the odd socks on your ass cheeks and think me later. One thing I like about t Pain is like he's kind of like unapologetically himself whether or not. It's like he goes against whatever popular like popular belief, Like he's just just like, yoah, this is how I feel. And another cool thing about paying is like you're like, no matter what, you're just

one record away again always. I mean, but this is the thing he sees wrote so many he records just I mean, he's one of the greatest hit makers ever, and so it's kind of like, you know, to see him also, to see a lot of these artists transform out of just making music and actually find in a place where they the personality starts to shine, I think is kind of a great step moving forward for a

lot of artists because it's the thing rap. We've yet to see a rapper retire except Joe Budden apparently, I mean, but just to be like all I'm done. Yeah, because jay Z retired and then came out with Kingdom Coming. We're like lifetime achievement award kind of the game, right,

So we what is the transition for artists? I think all of us do have a voice beyond it just being on beat, and so I think looking at people like Joe Budden on looking at a tea pain even with Keller Mike's diend a good job smoke, this is doing right now, It's like, okay, you know, get to a point where were really talking versus being an instrumental behind. Yeah, like Action Bronson I think was early too. That's delicious. Shout out to him too. That guy. Yeah, yeah, he

looks like one of those guys. Do you remember back in the day on the Religious Channel they used to tear phone books. He looks like one of those little of those guys used to like tear books and Jesus go to your school and they came in school, they would tear a deck of cards and it'd be like the power of the Lord. Yeah. Yeah, Action Bronson is that motherfucker. I feel like he could tear a phone book.

I definitely peeped his his trajectory. Man, I'm proud of the Homi And I think that's another thing too, that if nothing else, if music can't give us the opportunity to completely change our lifestyles in the healthy is ways possible, and a lot of us between the partying and the

fucking it off on tour years and years. At some point it can't sup to you, right, You've been in the game long enough to have peers that have come and gone as far as musically, yeah uh, and unfortunately in actually being here in physical form, you know, I think of just like some of the artists that came along the way with you that aren't rapping anymore, we don't here from in your opinion, who's like maybe the biggest what if of all time or maybe the biggest

artists where you were like, you know, maybe that you don't think they got the chance or or just things didn't necessarily work out how you had hoped for them. I'll give you mine first to break the ice. I'm gonna say, peel peel, definitely p I double l Man Peel. Yeah, Pink City. Damn this what's the homie name from Mississippi? Broh the homie that went on tour with us. I can't think of the name my brain just uh Tito. Tito Lopez was so fire jamming, bro and he was

like was in he an aftermath? Yeah, I think he was riding over there. And Tito Lopez did a freestyle for my mixtape and at that we lived in the same neighborhood in Las Vegas for a little bit. Yeah, and the homie I don't think got a fish shape, you know, Tito Lopez was so cold. Hey x V was hm hmm. Zero heroes hmm. He went to Warner Brothers and man, I don't know what they do. It just it's just one of them things, man, when you

they the excitement of something. Charles Hamilton, Ah, yeah, fuck man. Yeah. Those Green Lanterns, the Green Lantern mixtapes are crazy. It's just going to the label sometimes that's that's like weighing them. Sometimes that's when the hard work really starts. That's when it starts, not the when you independent, because you it's like when you move into promotion your music and it's and you independent, you don't even think about it as much as like, oh, it's just here. My CD is

just excitement. Listen, boo boom boom. Once you got the ear and the support, that's when the pressure kind of takes a different kind of hole, because every song you're trying to make sure, every song is just the ship, and it could take you totally out of your creative space. I think to like, not everyone maybe understands how hard it is to be an artist, that your entire livelihood is based on a subjective thing. And sometimes the subjected that that's a objective thing is not. It's not the

gatekeeper of whether or not it's good enough. Isn't the people as much as it's whoever the fuck is in the boardroom. You know what I'm saying, Like, I think it's like a side to actually give you the support necessary. We're talking about literal art, you know what I'm saying. Like, and yeah, I think of like someone like XV and like I'm like, yo, this dude drop classic music and for whatever reason, just Warner Brothers, just man, I can't

like so. And even in the process of putting the music out and going through that, when you're done with the album and what that means, and it's like you become the album and a certain like you live it, you know, even with the tapes, it's like you could do that and breathe and then you're working on something else. When you do your album, you got to that's what you put out. You gotta own that forever for having

some change. You tour, everything is surrounded around this one creative project and it could take you a year and a half to make it, and it takes people forty five minutes to listen to have an opinion and be like I don't like it. That's you, Like I just spent that should just happened with Roddy rich Trotti. Rich took two years to put his out and people just hated it. And it's like he deleted his Instagram. It's like what do you create? It's like what do you

do it? Like? How do you how? It's hard to move forward because did you gotta live it? You in it though, You're just out now and you just gotta wait till you can't unrelease it. You can't you can't unrelease it. Bro. Yeah, was there a point in time where you felt like you were getting maybe I wouldn't say depressed, but maybe you were just down and out when it came to just everything, man, that that that

that could, that could be yesterday. You know. It's one of those things where I've been doing this also for so long, and that sometimes I have to be like what else in my life? Like what's next for me? You know, I've spent you know, my teenage years up until this point with the one focal idea of I do music, and I love this art form, but I think I started to give it a certain kind of power over my life and how I feel about myself and anxiety and if I'm not doing music and I'm

not doing anything and that's not true, it's true. And so the two years to take off, not drop an album, Drop an album, and you go right back into that with what y'all think about it, and then that can just dial you all the way down into a depression anxiety because if people don't like it, you gotta live with that. I mean, look, I think at the end of the day, man, you gotta know if you're gonna put something out that you're you're just okay with whatever

comes with it. That takes time. Most artists. We never find that comfort because for you to come out two years and drop a project like this one, that's a risk. But it's also like, you gotta know this is some good this is good like and that's but see you just said it, but it's subjective. I know it's jamming. I fucking know. I'm like, man, I put a lot, and I know this because I wouldn't want to listen to it if it wasn't. But that don't take away

from what somebody else might want or hear wont from me? Right? And then most where's my sub part eleven? Yeah? Right? But most of it is a part of whatever point in their life they because that's the kind of music I really got to start making. It wasn't about Oh this the kind of kick drauma snary everybody using. I'm using that. This is kind of how I had. Oh this the flow, this the tempo, I'm gonna do that.

I don't do that with my music. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna make a song about a breakup, and in a kind of way where I'm trying to forgive myself for doing wrong because that's what I go through. That's why I've experienced that in life and it needs to be heard, you know, and despite what people may feel about it in the moment, if they go through a breakup, at least they know they can relate to me. Yeah.

I think the red I think everyone's gone. I mean, for the most part, everyone's gone through something like that, and the relatability of that is you know, a lot more like timeless. Yeah, that'll be there forever. Yeah. So did this album? Was there a specific relationship that happened that all? Or was it just an accumulation of having to go back and look at whatever patterns I have and the excitement when you first get with some body, then when you get comfortable and then you start questioning

how far this relationship is going to go? And then that happened. I feel like, you know, there's always that process in a relationship. You pretty much just kind of nailed it. And the thing is is, once you get to that weird space of like past the comfortable, if you can make it through that, then you got something. Then you got something, yeah, and you and the album is literally that. But being comfortable with the experience, whether

it was good or bad, learning from the experience. That's why the record all the time I spent the idea of I spent so much time gaining material things and wanting this, and it didn't really change the narrative of what love is and how we could blossom or I could it could die, but growing from that and like, well, at least I loved it all and tying it all back in with more than roses at the end, which is despite what we deal with in life, we interact

with each other, We build and communicate and we need to we need community. So there it is the rest of you. I mean, obviously, tours happened in April twenty second. Man, I'm getting you excited to go together for that now, yeah, you very excited and terrified to be in front of all those people. No one's even wearing masks. That fucking Amicron is gonna be lurking. Boy. Hey, well, you know what's crazy is I haven't heard anybody in the last

couple of weeks get COVID. Hey, but look, you know, I'm just a couple of weeks ago, everyone everyone and their mom had the ship, and I feel like the last week and a half or two, I haven't heard I haven't seen a lot of people saying I'm hot in. I caught this ship Thanksgiving of last year. Bro. That ain't nothing. Nobody want Amicron or Delta or whatever kind just covid. I caught that ship and it didn't It wasn't. It wasn't. Well, I had a light whatever. Did you've

axx that thing up? Huh? Did you ax that thing up? As juvenile said, huh did you see the juvenile video? Huh? Yeah, I saw the video. I know. You know I'm with Rogers Roger in United, Yeah, uh yeah, I'm you know. That was not fucking with Aaron Rodgers. I mean, come on, man, he I mean, I'm not gonna He pumped fake, He pumped fake the fuck out of he said, yeah, I'm mim United. It was like that up on the spot thoughts on the fucking spot. But actually he got over

it quick. They still talk about my homie Kyrie Irving like, I mean, Kyrie to me was like, I'm not doing it. He just was like, hey, but that shows me that when you time and you do it, you great at what you do, that they'll they'll have just the situation, of course they will. And the asinine part of it is that if you play for a different team and you go to the Nets stadium, you can play. But if you play for the Net and you're not vaccinated. But if you if you aren't vaccinated and you play

for the Nets, you can't play. I'm like, but you still basically still playing around everybody anyway, he's practicing with it. I don't understand any of it. The Kyrie thing. He just put fifty up against the Hornets last night, got to wait the ball. He was out here, like, the only thing they're gonna hit a snag is if they they end up running into the Raptors in that playing game, because and the Raptors play if they play in Toronto,

Kyrie can't play there. Oh ship Canada. So that because right now they're the eight seed, like the worst the second they've lost because vin they've been terrible. So you're a basketball fan, Yeah, I haven't gave an opportunity to dive into it this much. I know that you don't have basketball You don't have stacks of basketball cards. No, I don't. But see, I also just on deck if I'm a fan of players, So Lebron is definitely you know what I'm saying, Lebron your favorite player? Yes, right now,

I will say that definitely. Yeah, he's my favorite player ever. And to see the work he puts in every night, just to he put a fifty six the other night. Bro, and its year nineteen, That's what I'm saying, Bro. And the and to still being a situation where you, hey, what team was that against? No, what team was it against? Oh? The Warriors? It was against the Warriors. That's crazy. But did they you see his hat? Okay? Okay? Did the Lakers win though? Because they won? Oh? They won? Okay? Yeah,

all they won. I'll tell you hasn't been winning a lot of lately. Fucking Warriors. They fell out of that three seed. Oh yeah, the Grizzlies are the two seed right now? You think it's Cuzy was the one seed? The Phoenix fucking Suns. Yeah, they going crazy. Charles Barkley's behind you. He's proud. Okay, you know what I'm saying. How do you feel about Devin Booker from Mississippi? So is he from Mississippi? Mississippi? He's from Race Rammers from

Devin Booker. I thought he was from Michigan. He played high school in Michigan. You know, Mississippi. You mean tell me. The same city in Mississippi produced Race Rammer and Devin Booker. Yeah, this is amazing. This might be the greatest in the country because that's arguably the best rap duo since Mob Deep and Devin Booger's. I mean, he's crushing it. He's just an angel sent from God to say, Phoenix Suns basketball. So I forgot this spot. It's crazy you ain't even

there no more. Yeah, I mean I'm there once. I'm there once a month. I'm there one month you'd be turning up and yeah, I'm still waiting on Mississippi to get a basketball team. I don't know if that's ever gonna That ship should happen, though, Bro, I don't know. You know, there's this stick, you know, grown up to talk about. You know what it is grown up? As a little kid, I rented Burning Mississippi from the library, and ever since then, I just thought mississippis No. I mean, well,

that's that's everywhere. That was with Matthew McConaughey and Samuel Jackson. Do you remember that movie Time to Kill or No Time to Kill? Wasn't that in Mississippi? I don't know it was in Mississippi, right, stop. Look, it's all good. That had got Mississippi Massala. That was a good movie. I don't know what the fuck is Denzel Washington. See'll have to find there was a burning Mississippi. Ain't worried

about that. And then there was time. I think a time see, And that's the problem is not what people think it that's all I think. I'm like you. So when I lived in Tampa, because I lived in Tampa, I mean I saw you a bunch when I was in Tampa, and I remember we drove me and my boys. They helped me move to Tampa. And you know, all my friends are people of color. So we're driving through uh and and we stop in Houston and they tell us. They're like, hey, there's this area of East Texas. You

do not stop for anything. It is I think we know they're like yo, they're openly racist. There's billboards. It is like the clan like head viter it starts with a V. Yeah. See it's everywhere. And I googled this ship and it's literally they're they're they're telling you keep driving on boards like it's fucking crazy. I wonder who won Vita in the twenty twenty election. Who do you think who do you think took it? You think too, I'm just curious, who do you think took East Texas?

Lord geez, who in that district? Lord Joe Byron? I know, no, man, but Mississippi is not what people think, at least I mean, and if people don't like you, you know it. And it ain't no ain't no pump, ain't no pump. Fake. With that, it was having to get used to people not liking me but pretending they did when I went everywhere else. It's Deon Sanders, the best thing to happen to Mississippi since Big crit When it comes to Jackson State football team, I would say, so he is crushing it.

He's a couple of toes short right now. He had a couple of toes amputated yesterday. Yeah, you know, he's been riding around that scooter because of it's late. So I guess there was a complication with the surgeries and that amputated two of his toes. God damn. The fact he's able to recruit the players he's recruiting to Jackson. It's gonna change. It's crazy and it should be. I mean, but these not only our houses, but It's just good to see these schools start get some kind of recognition.

I just hope he has like another five years there, because anybody is gonna come along one of these major schools Florida State, uh or if the right NFL drop. Imagine if the Cowboys fire Mike McCarthy, They're gonna offer Deon Sanders a coaching position. Amazing. So it's just whether or not he's like, nah, I need to build a legacy here first, because if he leaves it, there's you know, he brought. He's bringing a lot to that situation. It is. I mean, but I would wonder if he would even

want to do that, That's what I'm saying. And he's primetime, he's rich already. Yeah, so I think he's got rap albums. Yeah, I'd be surprised. I mean, it seems like just a whole nother rejuvenation for him being around the college kids and working on the campus. I can't imagine the pressure of being an NFL coach versus when you at the college and the band. It's just a whole nother Are you a football guy, ah, kind of more of a baseball guy. A baseball guy, would you say baseball is

your favorite sport. That's what I played, So you like because baseball is a terrible thing to watch them? But do you watch baseball? How about that? Every so often? I feel like it's a good thing to just have on in the background. You throw it on and then watch. Lately, I've been watching just the MLB network, Bro, And then you watch them because they played the old game? Did they pay you no watching? I mean like they have games with Ernie Banks and like that, and you can

watch like Joe Morgan and this shit looks crazy. I remember seeing me so get Yeah, yeah, they documented was crazy. I hope they bring that ship was fire. I hope they bring steroids back. Bro. They hitting home runs again. They need roids, Bro, They but they hit these pictures. Too many strikeouts happening in baseball. I mean, but but they like, Bro, they hitting home and there's a what's it a lockout? What is it called? Yeah? They ain't started. Yeah,

but I still got the video games. Have you ever gone to spring training? No? I wanted to try out though, for baseball. I wanted to try out for the Braids. I want to be on some rudy ship, you know. Will Ferrell did it, Oh for real? He got onto a spring training team. They let him play for like a week. Yeah, they fooled me because I didn't know that was fake. I was like ships there. I literally wanted to try out and then play one game and then retire. On some you just want to be able

to say I got my own jersey. But it's kind of like with cold you want to walk out and play. Though. Yeah you want to, you want to go, but just the thing, bro, they throw and they like, we actually went to one of the games, bro, and they throwing that ball so fucking hard. Bro, What's what's your position when you play? I was a catcher, short stop, then I was in left field. I got so you just played everything. I was a picture too though. I through

three quarters. Yeah, what was the fastest ball you ever threw? That's pretty fucking fast. Yeah. So but I I stopped and once I once I made my first five hundred dollars, all beats, I was like, I don't know baseball because for me, I wasn't gonna go straight pro. It's gonna be the college. It's gonna be single double A. It's a struggle. I mean, you could I could have been doing I could have been in Single A or Double A right now, still still trying to get called up.

You see that ship all the time. You'll be watching a baseball game and they'll be like, eleven year triple A veteran, first time in the major leagues. I got an ICE's knees and all this. Fuck yeah, and then you've been and then you know, that's a different kind of grind chick playing in montor League. Yeah. Different check. It's like being a w NBA player. Yeah, man, my god, no bro, what's that? That's first pay? But they just

first pages. Try to fix that now because I sure hope. Yeah, they deserve way more because the wm A players getting fun and they go hard. Though. I feel so bad for them because it's like I just saw something that somebody's signing bonus was more than the entire w NBA's salaries combined, every employee. That don't make no sense. It's wild because you in order. Brittany Griner, she was on her way to Russia because that's where she has to

go to play to make money. They were paying her a million dollars to play in the Russian league, so in the off season she gets paid a million bucks for the for the season in Russia. Yeah, it's definitely unfair though, Bro, I'm like, how does Diana Tarassi? How do I make more money than Diana Tarassi? How is that even possible? It's Diana Rock She's the greatest female basketb player of all time, She's the female Lebron. They they better. Yeah, it's been a yeah because again that

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Then you how many day seconds? How many days does thirty thirty four? Is there a city you just won't fucking go to anymore? You're like, I can't say, just tell. I mean, it's Cleveland. No, it ain't clean. Turn up in Cleveland, we go to Clean. We're just curious because I know, I mean with sometimes it's not even the city. It might be the venue. It might be the speakers, the sound system or something like that. I'm not fucking with you know, but the people is always. Love is

just I want them to experience the music. Okay, you've been all over the country. What's your least favorite city you've been to, not even touring wise, just experience wise. I can't say that. I'll give you mine first. Oh my god, bro, it's either between Mobile, Alabama, m that was god awful or Twin Falls, Idaho terrible place. I lived in Boise for twelve months. Mobile was turned, the people was turned. You're looking at it as your live shows.

I just mean your visiting experience. Oh I don't know, man, No, it's just always the show. You just visiting and I don't know, you're passing through and you're like, God, this place fucking sucks. Oh, I don't want to be. I don't. I who lives here? I can't say blythe California terrible place. I can't. I don't. I don't, I don't. I don't find myself in those kinds of like taking a vacation you regret it. Wow, Yes, I've done that before. Where was it at? And it might not even it has

nothing to do with this place. It might just be the experience. The hotel fucking sucked. Me and my wife just went to the dr pictures looked amazing. Hotel was it was nice, it was inclusive, but the food was it was it was like jail food. Yeah, hmm, I can't really, I don't know, man. I think I went to New York thinking I was finna just with last go see some art stuff like in New York, and it just was one of the moments. It was one of the experiences with like the hotels small. I didn't

really give small hotels out of the experience. The hotels in New York. People don't know this, but if you go, I mean if the people who know no, but you go to New York, the hotels are size of a closet. It was it was tiny, and then it was like, I don't know it was it was. It was like supposed to be one of these kind of like upscale when you walk in, of course it's fact like the lobby's super nice. It just then you get to the close it wasn't. And then I was there for like

two days. And you know, I'm good when I go to New York. I enjoy however long i'm there. But the entire time I'm there, I'm like, how do these fucking people do this? I just feel like I gotta work a lot. When I get up there, it's like you gotta go. It's not moving so hectic every part of your day, parking your car, the cab, the cab thing, and just every little thing is like you're dealing with people.

You're It's just like it took me a long time to get comfortable going there and not feeling like like I was in a hurry or something like, Yeah, I respect New Yorker is so much because I don't know how they I could. I just couldn't. I had to start hanging out with smoke thiszzle and like be going around moving around seeing stuff. I end up going to this amazing museum with my homie Steve O. And then it was like, oh, okay, there's aspects of this why I don't feel like, oh I need to be I

gotta do it, and I'm doing mad interviews. I'm running back and forth and so it's it's just fun like small places. What about country wise, what's your favorite non United States? This country? Oh? Man, I love Australia. Australia, I love it. I have heard that if you are of a certain tone that might be yours, that the women in Australia are up for grabs. It's awesome. Man, Perth is like, Perth reminded me every chickle Heggy is, Ah, no, it's it's it's a it's a plethora of going on.

It's it's very it's it's amazing. Okay what you were saying, Perth reminded you of my hometown. But it was so the weather and then it's like this the house. It was crazy. I was like, man, I could live here aside from the big as spiders and the birds are to kill you. The birds will kill you. There's some birds over there to get at that ass. So but other than that, bro, we it's food. I eat like over there, Bro, what is the food? Is it like

a blooming onion? In fact, it's food. It's like, you know, they had this bombing stuff right with this hotel and I was like, Bro, this shit tastes so fresh. Is it kind of like the US over there? I've heard it's like it's just like the US, but fire, it's people's sleep on it. It was in Melbourne and it was like it felt like New York but you had shows over there. Yeah, we had a full head of the whole tour over there. That's big super Love And

it was crazy. I'm fucking doing country Ship Austra in Australia and they and it's crazy because we on stage and I'm telling well before the shows up like this is I don't even know. We don't know what to expect, don't know what the fuck expect. As soon as we eighty six, they going fucking crazy, you know, and I'm like, Wow, more comfortable and came along, motherfucking way, ain't hey man and the tour get your tickets? Seth album? Uh? The Girl Talk Project. What's the name of the actual project?

Full Court PRIs Full Court Press that yourself. The currency is on it, but he's not a part of the actual collab. I mean, but just about the fault, the home might have fault. Smoked a whiz shout out to Wiz, Yes, how's your relationship with Wiz mainstays because he's like one of the few people in the music industry who, in my opinion, I've been really close with him and will for over a decade now, and I kind of feel like he's always kind of been the same guy. The home,

he ain't forgot where you come from. It's like all the success, he's still he's still him. Still the we on the tour bus talking ship having fun, and it's it's again. It's like that family reunion kind of vibe and feel. And when we were in the studio, Bro, it's not even it ain't no ego driven ship. It's like, Bro were talking about how things was like this south by Southwest, but it was like being on tour and even the college show with they got locked the seeing

it's all this ship. It's like, Bro, we'd have been through some ship and we're still making jam ass music and can laugh about it. So and it's just good to be around it. Like though even the amount of success we gained, it don't change how we are as people. Side note, how many actual songs did Juni Yellow ever complete? For country cousins? Did it even happen or was it

just talking to happen? We did that one record, the hip hop record, and then I think then we did the the full of Shit record, but I think that was really it. Bro, that's crazy. And now he's making rock music. Yeah, shot, big Chris. Uh. The album is out, two albums are out of there. Well you know, well April eighth is when the full Court Press come out. And I'm just I mean, hopefully we get another one before the end of the year. I mean I might do that for you. Who the fuck knows? Man, who

are you a fan of right now? That just gives you, like the energy that that you're like, Man, this ship is still good. Like I'm loving with the what this guy is doing. A King Alee dere Silas and these two boys out of Misissippi, and they crushed it. They definitely onto some ship. Man Gamazawa, you know, out of North Carolina. It's a it's another there's a couple few hours. I can't think child is major child is major, sup.

I saw him open for I think yeah, he killed him. Yeah, And so it's it's in just the growth and seeing why everybody's kind of had musically right now. It's just like, you know, everybody's really the experimental stage too. Yeah for sure. I mean, but these these young kids don't. I'm looking forward to seeing how you perform the new album. Me too, me too, Bro, I'm definitely I'm definitely gonna have to give my vocal cords together because I'm gonna tell you, I ain't no way in here I'm be able to

do country ship and then start singing so cool. You're gonna be sweat. I'm gonna be domina. My voice is gonna be toreal if I'm turning on. But we're gonna I'm gonna make it an experience as much as possible, though, Bro, there it is big. Crit Appreciate your time, Go support, Go buy some I'm sure there's merch. Yes, we got all is there gonna be an NFT oh yeah yeah yeah broh yeah yeah. Just don't don't do don't do what Darren Fox from The Fucking Kings did, because they're

investigating his ass. He's what one hundred and eighty million dollars and folks, I don't know what he did, but nah, I'm not. We we're legit and we don't. I mean the album name. You feel like there should be an NFT definitely, Yeah, it was coming. Yeah, we're doing it. Bro there it is man, big crit appreciate you better, always thank you. Fire sure