#143 - Benny The Butcher

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deposit up to one thousand dollars. Just get into the Benny the Butcher episode Boutleg cav Podcast Boutleg keV Show. We got a special guest in here, my brother man Benny the Butcher, Ah the Butcher coming always Man, Welcome Man. It was good man. This is I don't know how many interviews we've done at this point, but a lot. You're like, this is like the fourth one we've done in two years. It's just like we just kicking in all this time. Yeah, we was in Miami recently, right,

was that Rolling Rolling Loud? Rolling Rolling Loud. We're gonna end up doing one in the couple more months or some ship anyway, Tanna Talk for yes serious that season? Yeah, man, I'm ready. It's about time. Man? What makes like because you know your Tanna Talk series is obviously Tanna Talk three, I think is the album that definitively probably just changed your trajectory as far as like attention and clearly paying attention to you, and then Plugs I Met kind of

solidified all that attention you were getting. But like, you know what, why was it time to follow up Tanna Talk three? Because that was twenty eighteen. We're almost four years was twenty eighteen. Uh, that's why it's four years ago.

Like those those represent chapters of my life. You know what I'm saying that I was I was ready to open up another chapter, you know what I'm saying and talk about what I've been going through, talk about what I've been experiencing, because I haven't gave I haven't gave nobody that since I've been here. The first one was my intro, you know what I'm saying, So you know what I mean I'm talking a lot about like experiences

in this ship. I mean, Yo, it's crazy because I was telling you like I actually got a chance to get an early listen to the album. Man, I ain't gonna lie. People are gonna watch this and and uh, the album's not coming out for a while. I don't know if we could talk about the date yet. We're not gonna put it out there, but about a month from now, probably about a month months have changed or something. It was another date that people don't but right probably

probably happening in March. Now. This might be your best body of work. Man, I don't say that like lightly. Uh. Man, you're first of all, just addressing a lot on this project and it just feels listen, man, I don't know. How do you feel about it? I feel the same way. I feel the same way. It's just uh, And I like, I'm I'm with the details and that's a lot of details and the ship. Uh, I'm I'm this is me with rock Nation, and this is me who made some money.

This is me who I got to see a lot of people true colors and I got to be a rapper, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like this is this is like the Butcher on steroids. It really feels that way, like the record that you know, we've talked about this record in the past, but the ten More Crack Commandments. It's crazy. It's as good as everyone is hoping it is, right, but you have Diddy doing ad

libs on this record, which is so fucking iconic. The fact you could have man shout out my shoutout Diddy for doing that, you know what I'm saying, because he don't got to do that. He did that ship made it more authentic, and you know that's my guy. Man, go get you out some motherfucking daily oon. What was like the best ship? That the origin of that relationship and then just the origin of like when did you say, Okay, I need Diddy to do ad libs on this or

was it his idea? Like what happened? Man? Just uh putting that record together? I'm thinking, like, how could I make this? You know what I'm saying, Let me get let me let me see what Primo think, the one who made the original beat. Let me let me see what did he think? You know what I'm saying, he was he probably he heard that shit a million times before it came out the original one. So let me

see what he thinking, you know what I mean. He was fucking with it, and I'm like, you know what, let me ask him that, you know what I mean. And he was with it. So, like I said, he't have to do that, you know what I mean, dude. Like I said, Man, the dudes at the top like him, they take it out almost as a responsibility for them to help guys like me or look out, you know what I'm saying. But you gotta be my head. You gotta be of a certain cloth. They're not just fucking

with anybody. And they'll tell you that, like we don't fuck with anybody, but you know what I mean. So appreciate him for doing that. One of the new commandments, I'm just gonna spoil one of them. It's one that is very necessary, and that's stay the fuck off Instagram. Yeah yeah, yeah, right, because nowadays we know every drug dealer. They're flossing on the fucking ground, they're flossing on the internet, they're fucking trapping on Snapchat. They're doing all this fucking

dumb ship. It's crazy. They're just telling on themselves like it's real time. It's wild, and it's it's it's it's funny because back in the day when Biggie did the ten Crack Commandments there, but there was just so much shit that he was saying that was like very specific to that time that you're like, yes, but that is one of the ones. And I was just like, someone needs to say this ship because real shit, that's that's got to be. That's got to be like a rule.

You know what I'm saying. You can't be on there showing how you move. You know, they got like departments that watch your ship, you know what I'm saying. So it's like Biggie didn't get you know what I'm saying, He didn't get a chance to say nothing about that because it wasn't it wasn't even a thing back then. So now it is. I felt like, if you can't, you can't do it without it being authentic. So that

gotta be a rule. And even if you're not like trapping, maybe you're scamming or you're fucking ppping or whatever it is, these motherfuckers are getting cat up because it's like, how could you afford that two hundred and eighty thousand dollars Lamborghini truck. Uh. That applies to the life. You know what I'm saying, Yes, like you want to show it off, but like do you want to go to prison? And I know you don't want to go to prison. You know you don't want to want to go that. Momuck,

you don't want to do that. Man. Now the album is amazing man than you. I think you got a top five J Cole verse ever from him, and I think I think he got he got verses and just just like that or just being on the ship and then that vibe because sometimes we don't always get to catch our favorites and the vibe that we appreciate them and and and loved them. What I'm saying people say

that about me. You know what I'm saying. When I when I did the hit Boy, or when I did the plugs I met too, They're like yo, I mean they want to hear me. And I'm saying that's how they want to hear me a certain way. A lot of people want to hear bro like that. And even though he probably feels like he got shipped like that, I'm saying, they just want that's yeah, I mean, at least like in recent remembrance I'm like, this is one of the bet and Cole went the funk in on

his album. I loved his album. That was my Album of the Year last year. Shout out of Cole, but in general, like I feel like, you know when when you're calling, you know, you're doing this Benny record, and you hear the way you came on it. Because I'm sure he heard your ship too. I mean yeah, because he picks up where your verse ends a bit. You know, you got it, He's got it. You know it's competition. Yeah, it's like you're gonna play different in the finals and

you're gonna play at the Rucker, you know exactly. And I love that. I love to be be able to have the type of to bring something to the to the to a tract and make somebody want to you know what I'm saying, to bring to bring something crazier, bring something just as that, you know what I'm saying,

because you know that's what we need as artists. I know I need that, and I mean still sharp and still you know what I mean, because we've seen people, I've seen people who don't be around the same level as talentism and and they take a you know, I mean, they should take a hint because they're not. You know, they fucking around like no, get back at sharks around, you know what I'm saying. So the video just getting him to do a video, it's a big deal, man,

that's huge. That means he respects you. That means and also for the record, Cole's just doing what Cole wants to do. Now. That's so if he's doing something, I'm assuming you didn't pay him, right he that nigga? No, we we don't, you know what I mean, Like it's a mutual respect. It's something that he wanted to do. I don't think. I just don't feel like Cole's the kind of guy who's doing features for money. If like

he does it, don't need the money with you. Yeah, exactly, That's why he's He even said for a second he wasn't fucking with features because he don't. He don't do that shit like he do it for the people that he want to do it for. He can't put a dollar a mount on that, nigga. Rich's hell, that's some real shit. That is some real shit. You know. There's my favorite song that I heard on the project. You and Conway Tyson versallly yes, sir, which should be the

name of this fucking album. You guys have talked about doing that. That should be the name of the album. That's crazy, right, But this is a record that to me is kind of like so needed for Griselda fans to hear because there's been all this fake energy in the air. Griselda read it all the message boards about exactly, and you guys addressed so much of like that shit, like you guys are family at the end of the day.

There's no weird energy. There's never really been any, right, So it's like, I just thought that the way you guys addressed all that shit together on that on that song was fucking dope and like super much needed, you know. And that concept came up from sitting in the studio discussing who was better Tyson versus Ali, And my my thing was, you we never know. It wasn't meant for us to know because they came from two different eras. Tyson. Uh looked at the Ali Ali admired Tyson, and it's like,

this is my big buzz. And I'm not saying we Tyson. They got their own legacies, but this big buzz right here I learned a lot from this guy, you know what I'm saying. So when people say, like, yo, like that's I learned a lot of ship, you could never you know what I mean, It's it's it's literally the same thing. It's literally the same thing. So I just want the people understand that when that nigga be killing ship, I'm going stupid. I'd be like I'd be feeling like

that's me. Yeah, I always tell I mean me and me and uh a mutual friend of ours. We're talking and it's like, at any given time over the last five years, the best rappers alive have been in yourself, Khan Fred Kendrick when he wants to step out. I mean, those are really that's the four I got right now, but like two out of those four are the home team. Do you feel that way like at any given time,

like you're the greatest rapper alive. Sometimes when I'm in a booth and I'm just and I'm gassing myself, you know what I'm saying. But my by the way, I want to throw push your tea in there, because twenty eighteen was about four years ago and Daytona was up there this hot think about it, I know I'm up there with the top niggas. I know I'm up there. That's that's not a question because that's what it's important to Conway. You know that he gives a fuck about

that kind of shit. Ye he do as he should. Uh, I'm up there with the top niggas. But I think me being who I am and me being what I've been through, how I the ship that I talk about that and my personality, Like that's a cheat. Hold you know what I'm saying, because I'm I don't even be talking like this, but I'm that nigga in real life, you know what I'm saying. So it's like not saying I had this so I've done this. It's just like I'm a I'm a stand up cool person in real life.

People genuinely like being around me in real life. You know what I'm saying. I'm not I don't know whatever. So it's like that helps you. You know what I'm saying. People want to see me win, People root for me. You know what I'm saying. People genuinely like Benny the Butcher. You know. Also, so that put me so that put my name in conversation, right then the people will say it for you. Ship. That's a fact that people will

say it for you for sure. Man, Conway gives a fuck, though, Like give that man his respect or he feels some type of way. He always been like that. Man, he always been like that. And I feel like, I don't know, man, dude, Like I put it, I put it. I put a list at the year list out. I think he was like three out there. I had kissed number one. He hit me like, Yo, what the fuck keV. I'm like, CON's like, come on, man, I do like really like I just call them like explaining to him. He's like, no,

I respect it. I respect it. I was like, I like that. That's why you're Conway though, That's why, that's why you're serious. That's why you're a Jedi, because you really give a fuck and like it. Like, it'll be hard for anybody that what I'm saying, if we just if we're just listening, we're just comparing this to that, it'd be real hard to pick somebody over him, you know what I'm saying. I agree, I agree. I'm not

naming no names. I'm not saying if it was him, and it could be a lot of names and just listening to it'd be real hard, is there? You have so much going on. We'll get to the BSF album that's coming out soon, but is there ever gonna be the Conway Benny tape? Man? I hope so, I hope so he I got room for it. I don't know he won't have room for when he finished. I know you guys got fucking busy schedules. You're running a label, running a label. We talk about it all the time,

even like playing on starting it. I think we probably even started. I think it's maybe a song or two somewhere for it. You gotta be like six songs, that's it, six to eight records, man, that's all I gotta be. That's all I gotta be. Be something like bro, just throw it out there, something like that. I think we shuld just do it and just throw it out as like a mixtape, just me and him, no distributors, just know nothing, straight up, and then fucking do like collab.

Merch The merch will go, creat man, if you guys, merg will go. It's a half a million dollar merch drop. That's a fact million, million, billion dollar merch drop. But that's something that we gotta do man, were just cleaning this shit up that just that just leaves something that's just another box we can check off now you I was just telling you this in the other room. What I appreciate about Griselda. First of all, I appreciate the fact that you didn't really ever like signed to Shady,

you like built up your equity. And we'll get to the death Jam shit in a second, but like just in general, Griselda, the way that we've only had two Griselda albums come out on Shady, that the Group Project and West Side Guns album. And finally we're gonna get Conway's official debut in February. I believe he's gonna be here next February twenty fifth. Fucking crazy project by the way. But to be able to sign somewhere and still put stuff out independently. Now for people who don't know, you're

on deaf Jam. Now you need to deal with death Jam. But this album, this J Cole song, which might end up being your biggest song ever because Cole's on it right, well, just be honest, like the streams might go fucking out of this world. It's on Empire still, Indie, what the fuck's going on how'd you break the system? Man? Man? It's like, man, that's where the game at right now, you know what I mean? Where the underground ship with

the industry shit. You know what I'm saying. You see dudes like Babyface Ray or you know what I mean, just I could keep it aim and a whole bunch of niggas who just like you know what I mean. So my thing is is like you obviously have to negotiate that with Death Chair, but like Tanna Talk four is a big album for you, so why the fun wouldn't they be like, no, we need that over here, like because they fuck with me and they trust me

and they believe in me. It's about this. It's like, no, coming from my point of view, I need to I need to I put my name on that paper. You know, I owe you know what I'm saying. So it's like this, I owe obligations to them, and they owe obligations to me. So to fulfill my obligations, I need to walk in there with this, Uh Tanna Talk four patch you already

on my cape. I'm also assuming that Tanna Talk four thing was already worked out with Yeah, And that's another thing, guys, Basically I'm just saying, is that once you explain to these people your plans, they understand it. You know what I'm saying, Like, Okay, you get what you negotiat, getting what you negotiate, they respect that, you know what I mean, Like, Okay, you're gonna do that, and then you're gonna come over

here like yeah, trust me. And you know, I'm letting them know, like I'm about to smoke this and then I'm coming over here. I mean, like, how how many albums do you m? One that's hit one? God Man, shout out to my guy Ben what that's a beautiful thing. You know what I'm saying. But you know, it's opportunities for us to do more, you know what I mean. But and the bag had to be stupid to even

get listen. I mean, I don't know if you remember this, Like a year ago, you were sitting in there and you were thinking about you were talking to a bunch of labels, and I was just telling you, like, bro, what is this label gonna do for you? You already have a song with their biggest rapper, You already have a song with Drake. You were about to be on a national tour. With Russ. So what can they do for you besides give you money? And let's be honest, if you just drop some merch or you just do

what you do, the money's gonna come. So the bag had to be substantial for you to consider going down that route. Yeah, definitely, the bag was great. And it's like, I want to I want to be all over you know what I'm saying. I want to be able to you already are That's a fact. But you know what I'm trying to say, I'm trying to cover the fucking math man. Listen, I understand that. I understand that, and I hope that def Jam does that for you too.

My my suspicions are you get that bag and you're gonna be like, you know what, I do it all this ship myself anyway, Bro, you're fucking I'm telling you what you what you have. I don't even think you understand it. Bro, Like I know you, you know your worth, and I know you know what you're worth. But I'm just like, bro, like they would they should hire you, now, that's a fact. They should hire you to help them with their artists. And it's and it's not all about

the money. Sometimes It's like for me, this this was another big incentive for me, is that I need to be in these rooms now. Just think this is real ship. You're in the rooms. No, no, listen, this is real shit. I think I was watch which draft was? I watched it and I saw your ass. I was like this, Mo, you say that Yeah, NBA draft Ship? She was crazy. You're at the you gotta beat that, right, NBA ship, Rock Nation Brunch. Everything all off of my cousin's getting

a record deal. And you know what I'm saying, all off of that off your work as a quality of what you do. Yeah, so imagine when but trust me, when you're in this business, you know that it was still a lot of people who gave beneath that cold shoulder because I wasn't the one with the Jewish fucking welcome. That's a fact. But fuck him. But now I can get in certain wombs and I could. You know what

I'm saying. Now, certain people gotta shake my hand. You know what I'm saying, Well, listen to me, trust me, brother, I got love for you, genuine love. And I hope that you're I hope that this works. You're you're you're richer. It already hasn't that's exactly has already worked already. But all the ship we're talking about, like fam you got a song with Drake. You just dropped a song with j Cole independently. He did the fucking video. Fuck the room.

You are the room. That's a fact. I'm gonna show you. I'm someone hit you that Cold Shorter, fuck them, and I'm gonna show you what I'm talking about. It's not even though it's not even like rappers, it's like business shit because it's certain things that I'm trying to do. I got movies coming out. I know you're on your acting shit, We're gonna get to that exactly. I got you got the sports agency, sports agency, like, I got so much shit that I'm trying to do that these moves,

these moves don't even be about the music. A lot of times it'd be about my next move, you know what I'm saying. So hey, it's Chest not Checkers. That's a fact. And to be honest with you, I love everybody at Depth cham you know what. I'm good people. And Snoop's the man. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. And it's transparency. Over there and it's all that, and that's what I That's what I needed before I did some ship like that with a major label, because I

could have done a shit years ago. I saw Snoop was the closer. I watched a little bit of the Breakfast Club interview and it seemed like Snoop kind of closed the deal. He did, he did, And I what does Snoop say to you? Because listen, Snoop Dogg is, in my opinion, the most famous rapper of all time. I'm talking about fame, right. My grandma knows who Snoop is. Your grandma knows who Snoop is. My grandma don't know who Drake is, but my grandma knows who the fuck

Snoop is. You know what I'm saying, Like, Snoop is that motherfucker. Let's just be clear. So did you probably pull up to the compound in Inglewood? Yeah? Yeah, I did that, But I pulled up. I pulled up in Manhattan somewhere he was, and he was in New York. Hell yeah wow. And we kicked it. He just we vibed. I did. That's when I did the record with him

on the Algorithm. Yeah, yeah, I murdered music record, and then we just we just liked the exchange numbers, and then we just kept talking from there, and he just put it in perspective, you know what I'm saying, because he just broke it down, you know, with his business, with his labels and all that shit. It just be real corporate ly and all that. He just like, let's call him that type of shit. You know, I'm saying, Snoop is a treasure man, right right right, you know

what I'm saying. I love shit like that. He's good. I'm gonna show you what I'm what I'm about to do with this shit over here. I'm gonna show you. They better put you in the new Death Jam Vendetta. They got to. I'm the fucking butcher. What can you I think there's gonna be a new They gotta make a new one. They're crazy if they don't. But if they do, you got to be in there with the fucking with the apron on, bloody as shit, wold, buffed

up wild, buffed up. They're gonna make your sideburns extra crazy, crazy like BSF chain swinging, I mean crazy like your fatality. Will be a fucking butcher. No I don't even think they had fatalities in the first stepshit of Vendetta. I don't think they did. But we go do something the new one. But I'm gonna have a ship like I'm gonna have all the fucking Cleavers just strapped up. Shit. It'll be crazy. Shout out to Snoop though, Yo, what up? Man,

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greatest NFL game I've watched? And I don't know, maybe my entire life. That was probably the best. I mean, that's the top five game ever, but some some are saying it is the best game ever. Chiefs first Bills. Obviously unfortunately you your Bills never got to touch the ball on in overtime. How was it? How was that experience? Man? It was dope. It was heartbreaking first and foremost, though

I can imagine because I'm a Bills fan. I didn't want to see the I an't wanna I didn't want to lose because I was there the previous year, so it was fucked up. But it took me about two days after I got over the ship to realize, like, yo, he was at one of the best games ever. I'm like then then I'm like, damn, he was there. I was on the sidelines. I'm like, damn, he was there. So when they look back at this ship, that's gonna

be some good footage. I felt like, you know, I felt like, remember when Hammer was on the field, Dion, you know what I'm saying. That's that's how I felt. I ain't gonna hold you. We're gonna look back and be like, Yo, you were at the Allen versus my homes no real ship. I was there. I was there on the field, chapter whatever. Because these guys are gonna be going at it for I don't know how many years them boys are gonna be going at it, but

it seems like it's gonna be a while. And then Joey Burrow, Now, yeah, only for the Chiefs to get fucking beat by the Bengals the next week. You guys would have stomped the Bengals and we fuck with I felt like we would have, but we fucked with the Bengals because you know, I'm saying, they like donated money, uh last year and ship to us. Really know, what I'm saying. And the chief you know, the Kansas City Chiefs too, they donated money to us too, after the

after that lost. When you say donated money to us, who's us? Buffalo? Oh? Nice buffalo like children's hospital? Okay, okay, I'm like, do you got a BSF charity? I don't know, motherfucking like a half a million dollars? That's big bro. Shout out to hey, shout out. Yeah. You know I like that too, because nowadays I feel like we always see fans fighting in the crowd and it's always like, so man, people treat sports like gangs and be annoying the show because fuck you, we went the war with

the fans were sitting in the sections, nobody there. We got ten seats, but everybody else is KC fans, right, So it's like, man, when they thought it was over, you know, they was, they was getting with us, but they've seen us triumphantly come back, and then they did what they did and came back. So by the end of it, like we was going like, yeah, the fuck down, shut up. By the end of the game, we was hugging each other like like we respect y'all. You know what,

you know, what. I know what they were saying. They was like about the looks at this, we're gonna play y'all next year, but at home, y'all gonna be at home and doing this for this game next year. And I believe him. I believe him too. BSF. You guys dropped the compilation already, right Uh you dropped the Gangster Grills, you joint, you know what I'm saying with drama. And then we dropped my boy Rick Haye ship plates one in place two and he didn't putting his stuff out

of green lantern. Uh, shout out to it. But so we are gonna get so the Gangster Grills obviously was kind of more of a mixtape that there's gonna be a BSF album coming in what April? Yeah, BSF album coming to April. It's called Long Lived DJ sha You know what I'm saying, LRPD DJ Shay, Yes, sir, yes, sir, you know what I mean. But I got some much I got some so much shit going on over there. I got my boy Fuego base over there. I got Christina Mackie, my boy love boat. Uh, young world, you

know what I'm saying. There's so many dope artists that I'm trying to tell you when I get in this. You know what I'm saying, I'm just connecting dots. I'm just I got Ray Moon. You know what I'm saying. I got dope artists. So it's like, you know, we about to start just cooking. Like I'm saying, I'm doing these movies, about to release the You're gonna be able to hear all the motherfuckers on the uh on a

compilation long Live DJ Shay Okay on the album. People are gonna listen to this after the album comes out. You have a line about rappers whose careers you made? Do you know which line I'm talking about? Mm hmm, I said, But I say, uh, I don't want no credit for the deals I negotiated, careers I co created and drug dealers. I negotiate with drug dealers I associate with. You're talking about that whose careers did you co create?

I'm not I'm not about to like say name, but I'm just saying this is that, you know, Griselda put what I mean, do I gotta say? And I mean, Griselda put lifeblood back in a certain genre of music. This is true. But I do think there's a few people who's like who who like that? Banning co sign is really of course, of course, and it is nothing wrong with that because people helped me. My ship was

created by Westside Gun and Conway. And it's about what you do with the opportunity, So be honest with you. It's some people get opportunities who don't do ship with them. So anybodybody who make your moves off of an opportunity, somebody give it to him. That's really your head, like do your ship because it was a niggas who's posted to been capable of doing it, who ain't who dropped the ball? And there's niggas who you didn't expect to hold it down. Who holding it down and they flourish it.

That's some real ship man, that's real. How many okay? You know? Usually every year it just depends, I guess how you're feeling for the year. But how many projects are we getting from me this year? Ten to talk for? I'm doing a BSF comp mother fucking Depth Jam debut album. You'll be honest with you, do you think you think I should drop that this year? I don't know. I'm asking, I don't think so, I mean if you're gonna wait, like Conway is gonna come on in seven years, I

don't think so. I'll be ready. I'll be ready top of the year, top of the year. That's what I feel like you have. Are you able to drop some more independent ship though? Yeah? Okay, so we might get another and for okay, look it's like this. You know we're gonna do the We're gonna do the singles off the compilation Long Live Shay and then even with depth Jam, I could do some singles. It's not like I'm going to go hide at nothing. I just do some some

shit to warm up, you know what I mean. So I'm assuming that we're never going to get the Drake song. It's never going to see the light of day. And you know what, probably not. Maybe just the moment passed. That's what I think, to be honest with you, that's what I really think. I think the moment passed. But it's a dope song. It's so it's always songs like that. The thing about Me didn't leak yeah, hell yeah. So so people can go listen to it, So people can

go listen to this, damn it route. It's a It's a dope record, but I think it might be more opportunities to do ship. And people heard it. Most of the people who need to hear they heard the record already. You know, I've heard it. I like the little fake name they called it. What they call it Buffalo. I don't know. I just heard it when you played it for me. I just found out, like no, I found I found that it eleaked recently, and I was like, oh, I had no idea leaked. A moment passed. You know.

I'm saying everybody was hype about it and ship like that, but if we dropped that ship right now on DSP should go crazy. But just because people want to hear us together, that's the thing about me, Like people be excited when I rap with people and or other people rat with me. You know what I'm saying. That's what I learned from just watching how this shit go. You had to be super happy for Kahn to get the whole record, right, But I know how important that is

for you. I know that's a big deal for Benny. Yeah yeah, yeah, to get that whole feature. Conway got it first, fact as he should, as he should write. But I'm just curious, is there any more progress into a Benny and J record ever happening. You're on rock Nation, that should be that should count towards something. But this is the thing I don't think. I don't think whole for like, he got to do records with everybody who want to you know what I'm saying, But you're the butcher.

That's what everybody's saying. That's just not anybody. That's how everybody feel. But like I said, people just be excited for people to rat with this nigga, and I love that. I love that. I love that about my supporters and my fans. They want to see people rat with me. What I loved about the album is obviously just this little old me the Drink record record. We whole. You're not on Donda like white people. It's kind of crazy. You're not on Donna people when they forget about that,

look at these people who look at these names. And the only reason you were on Donna really was white because you didn't end up making that wyoming trip with because because like, because what happened with that, I was, I was, I went out there, but uh I had to uh fucking I had to go home and do some ship for my daughter to be honest with you first, just like that, I was wyoming for two days. Are

you on? Are you on push your T's album? Mm hmm, okay, I gotta just ask because you know you say this album here, I'm like, you know you we might need that? Uh that part two on that thing I've been I've been seeing that. I've been seeing that. Like I said, people people want people to rat with me. What I must be that nigga. I ain't gonna hold you, man, I must be that nigga. I'm about to go. I'm

gonna go research myself. I'm gonna do my own research Google and get looking at my accolades because people be wanting to see people rap with me. Man, you have so much chemistry with Alchemists, Derringer, hit Boy, Obviously the dynamics all have to be very different those my guys. Yeah, with this project, Darrenger and al handling the production. Was that, like, did they work together on beats on a lot of

this stuff? Uh? Damn. It's hard to answer that question because I feel like they always work together on beats because I don't seen them both in the studio working on shit now going through shit and they're like, yeah, that's doube board, I mean vice versa. So I don't feel like have they produced a beat together on this. I don't think I could, But I think they like they do shit like that all the time. What I'm saying, I recorded over Deringer tracks with Al in the room.

I recorded recorded over Al tracks with Deringer in the room. So it's like it's a collective for them. They they most like gonna uh have a say so on how the records, the playlist of the records. I know Wes does that too, you know what I'm saying. So your uh affiliation with hit Boy, I'm hoping results in you and Nas doing something that would be dope. I feel like that. It's uh like I Mike, I gotta I got a record I never played that. I got a

record with Nas that that I never put out. Really, I didn't know that boy was gonna use it for Burning Proof, So what the fuck? That's the problem. I I gotta stop saying this shit to people because they're gonna go, great, that's gonna be bitty record with Nas, and people are gonna be asking me about the Burning Proof. That's that's what it be about. That's burning proof too coming soon, I'll be telling too much of my business in these interviews, leting people know what I got going on.

You got records with you got fucking meek Mail records, you got records Like, I'm just like, bro, what is like? This guy's got records with the biggest motherfuckers alive and we gonna get him. This guy's just got a NAS record, tuck like, you know, I gotta I do got one. But now it's like it just didn't make I guess that one. I guess the NAS verse didn't make the cut. Huh.

I don't know why. I don't know why, but I feel like something will Esco would be crazy, something with Drake, something would hold, something will push those are dudes on fans up. So that's why I speak about doing features with all the niggas. You know what I'm saying. You know what I would like to hear. And this is gonna sound so random. I think if NICKI did some rap shit and like you and Nicky might be kind of tough, bro, because I'm thinking, like when finish Benny

the Butcher and Nikki record. When Nikki first came out, she had a ship with like Cameron and all Man. Yeah, if what listen, just imagine a street Nikki and Bennie records. Everybody, everybody know that'll go crazy, insane. She's the greatest female rapper of all times to her. And you see you said you just signed a female right m hm, Christina, Mackie, Raymon. They don't they like not like rapping and ship. They just it's going crazy. Just wait, it's top ten ship.

You know what I'm saying. Energetic type of music. Christina is a rock star. Ray Moon just wavy. You know what I'm saying, My nigga fuego break fuego bas he just I'm crazy spitting bars like I love this ship. I love just like surround myself obouta around a good great talent yea. Yeah. And then let's talk about this because we got some weed that you can purchase in l A. This is brand new ship. That's brand new man. Yeah,

this is uh that Buffalotto Buffaloto. But what I like about these they just come ready to go, motherfuckers, come ready to go like shit. So you know what I'm saying, Am I doing this the wrong line thing? Let me see, I don't fucking know, like little little backwards, just like that tiny little backwards sit ain't opening. Oh yeah these are fire, yeah, just for people to understand there's tobacco

in these, So YouTube, don't demonetize this video. Muh but yeah, shout out to Yeah, you just got your hands and everything. How is the sports agency then going? Man? I love it. Man, Just going out meeting new talent and meeting new people who excited that I'm in because they fans of my music, and like, damn you doing and what I'm doing. You should check this player out of you should we should

work together. You should know what what I mean. So I'm just learning a whole bunch of shit, just just going to go see different athletes and shit like that. Man, the Big Sports Firm page, we just posting athletes that were looking under Shout out to my boy T Warrning.

I'm saying he really want holding that shit down. Is there any other because you know I was I was thinking, like with what you guys do with merch and how like, like you know, I know there's a there's there's some people who do like just like I think of Tech nine, right, technically you're familiar with strange music and what they got

going on in your city. I'm like, man, eventually, like there's got to be like a BSF headquarters like that in Buffalo, where you guys just do everyone's fucking merch, cut out the middleman. It was already we was, we was already talking about that, and we do. We do uh all of our artists merchant. You know what I'm saying. I got it. I'm doing a deal with I did a deal with uh merch traffic, you know what I'm saying. So we're doing that ship with them, and people tell

me about that all the time. We did graph merch. People already asks us to do they merge all of us. What I'm saying, everyone, Cat Tony, Denise, tell my boy Tony the narrow and they be holding that ship down city boy. But Yo, speaking of that ship, Oh my goodness, when's this the interview coming out next week? Oh my goodness. By then they're gonna they're gonna see this ship. Wait till it's gonna be out. It's gonna be out by now. This a Valentine's Day. Shit, I got merch drop. Shit

is crazy. I had that ship on it. How hands on are you with the designs? Everything? Sometimes two hands on. They'd be texting me, put me on phone calls. I'm like, yeah, don't got to ask me to do that, just go like that. That what I'm saying. But they run everything by me because they throw with their job, you know what I'm saying. Fires Cat and Jake they throw with their ship. So they just like they're gonna run everything

by me, Like yo, Cat dope. I trust her to do what she do, but she still just hit me up and just how you approve of this or what you think. And I think her as an artist or whatever you want to call her a curator, I feel like she gonna always want have my input to make it, you know what I'm saying, authentic and what a lot of times what I do is I come to her with ideas and say I want this and I want that and I need that, and she had throw that shit together, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, you

guys did the Nike shit, which was crazy. Just I'm blank, Nike shit. That was dope. When I seen that, that was dope and they loved that. That was cat Cat designed that the last last year Valentine, Yeah, yeah, yeah, all the plugs I met two shit. Yep, she did the plugs. I met two shit. I did the plugs one shit. I'd be having to battle her to let her know that I'm still wrong with this shit too, because I can design some shit too. Yeah, I mean, what was the wildest thing you sold on tour this time?

Because I've seen you sell a fucking like three hundred dollars Butcher Apron the sign Pirates jars always are very like, what what was the wildest thing at the merch booth for the tour that just ended? But the wildest thing at the merch booth basically is, you know, I wear all whites, right, I always wear all white Air Force forces. I get a bombie buying them shits ten at a time. Sometimes I get them custom made. I let my boy like put a little Gator Ostrich Nikes ship on the right.

So I get them and I throw them out. You know, people can't believe they're like yo, you throw them ships out after you wear them, and it's different. It's not like it's not like I'm super rich and nothing. It's like this. It's like, you know, we buy a thousand dollars shoes or three hundred dollars shoes. So if you get if you get three hundred dollars for three pairs of shoes, like that's a steal, you know what I'm saying or whatever, I might wear them like two days

at the most, right, So check this out. People like Nigga were not throwing these out. You're gonna sign these motherfuckers were gonna put them at the merch table. Niggas sell them for three four, five hundred dollars. So you were selling previously worn signed the air Force. If I performed, and if I performed in Seattle and the next show was in Portland, the port the Seattle shoes are on sale, and they were people buy them every every fucking night

they bought them. Wow, that's a hey, I like that real shiit someone? Yeah, that's that's kind of wild though. It's like, Yo, I got some U shoes. These are these were Bennies, Man. I think that that's dope. Man, I think that's dope. Is it kind of weird? Having like most of your guys is really hardcore fans are very very very serious fans, and most of them are dudes, right, is it? Like? What's it like having like you know,

Drake's got to deal with like a million women. You go to a Grizela show, there's some there's some chicks in there, but you know, the hardcore Grisela fans are mostly dudes. Is it like weird dealing with like dudes that are obsessed with you on a on a you know, there's a lot of guys. I don't even mean that in a gay way. I just mean that in like some fandom ship, like they just be fans like you likely I'm sure, like like people follow you to ten

different dates and all kinds of wild as ship. That's dope. It is dope, but like it's different, right, Like but I never thought about it like that, you know what I'm saying, Like these dudes follow me, but it's just because it'd be cool. You would be having your face tattooed on them and ship. That's crazy. I ain't never seen that. But it's like my boy man he got the b SF tattoo, the boy he got the fucking

the Benny the Butcher ship. I ended up like I got a tattooed, like I copy the fan I seen a fan get it or the Benning of the Cleaners. I said, I'm gonna go get that shit too, you know what I'm saying. So I think that's dope and that's just it's crazy though, but I don't look at it. It's weird, but I look at it's like it is crazy that I'm like, you guys have like a crazy reddit thread. Are you familiar with the Griselda reddit? Please don't put me under that because I know they be

saying crazy shit. You know, Griselda Reddit is like the it's like the q A non for Gaselda fans. Motherfuckers just be covered up with their own wild ass theories in there. It's like it's it's it's wild. Yeah, well man, shout out. And plus these dudes be doctors and lawyers and shit, they don't be young, know what I mean? So that that's be the most interesting party, like they be like upstanding citizens and ship they be coming to the ship. How are you you know what that? You

know what that do though? But I thought about it when you asked me that that's why our name is in these conversations because it's like mostly guys who's having these conversations. This is true. Ain't no females nowhere like the best rapper or they are they get in a conversation. They not igniting the conversation, right, So I think that got something to do with it too. Hey, we got to stuff the podcast man, real quick. Appreciate y'all for watching.

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dot com use the promo code bootleg keV. That's one word, bootleg keV. All together at checkout twenty percent off odd socksofficial dot com. Go show us some love and let's get back to the interview. How are you doing in terms of are you fully recovered from the shooting now? Because I know you were. You know, obviously you've been without the cane for a long time, You've been performing and all that, but you, like, is your walk normal all the way? Now? Do you still have to go

through any pain or anything? Uh as far as pain, I don't go through no more pain. I haven't gone through no pain in a minute. But my shit, I definitely got my limp still. I'm definitely still like waiting for like certain nerves and shit to come back. Like you wouldn't hoop right now? I don't know hooping. I ain't don't know hooping. No, no, uh no shit like that? Was that? Was it tough to do the tour? Like was it a little different to kind of like maneuver

on stage? Then you hell? Yeah, fuck ith way different. But it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't hard as I thought it was going to be, to be honest with you, and and I learned and I strengthened my ship up so much from the tour being on it every night. You know what I'm saying, It's like people people can't tell, people can people don't know no more like basically people be like, yo, is you good? You look like you walk in regular I'm like, no, nigga, I'm still going

through my ship. But he really can't tell if you look at me. I always was wondered this. There's a song that you addressed this on, but it's never gonna come out unfortunately. How did you feel about uh Makami coming back into the Griselda Fold after you know, the issues that were kind of public obviously, and you know, what were your thoughts on him coming back into the into the fold as far as just being signed to the label, putting out Brave for Haiti all that, you know.

To be honest with you, I didn't care, you know what I'm saying. I didn't care. I know, you know. That's what That's what Wes, That's what Wes does like he he put albums together. I know he he liked mocked him and mock relationship. That's what they know what I'm saying. I know him only through West Side Gun, so I know that's what Wes always wanted to work with him. So when he got his ship together, and you know what I mean, Like I don't know, like

I ain't you know what I mean. I know people fuck with his album, but you know what I mean, is there ever a like with Griselda with Gun? Could you ever see a point in time where let's say you're not on Griselda anymore. Obviously your family, obviously you're still gonna represent that shit, but like contractually, like is that is that something that like you could see eventually happening or is it kind of just like, hey, look this is how I got here. We're riding this bitch

to the wheels fall off type situation. I'm Billy the Butcher, gonna always be Griselda. I'm gonna always be Griselda because it's like even just even if I'm at a different label whatever, I'm just gonna always be Griselda. You know what I'm saying. It's like we is Griselda, building and what we put together, or it's not like niggas ain't gonna do what Machinet gonna do two or three or four like shit like that is you can always expect that, Like if anybody go anywhere, it ain't like, oh, we

ain't working together. It's still the formula one hundred percent. And like I feel like you guys are like very much like I don't know, pick a fucking NBA dynasty. You know, like Westside Gun is Phil Jackson. You know what I'm saying. West Side Guns Phil Jackson, Kobe and Kobe and Shaq is you and Conway? You know what I'm saying. It's like effect, It's like it's it's always the best with y'all, always always. That's why you're gonna

You're always gonna have that Benny Conway album. I'm people don't know where people who have been listening to me. I built my shit up off the Benny the Butcher Conway songs. When I put my first Brick out in twenty sixteen, when they had they when they was doing the Underground Run, he was on my shit three times, you know what I'm saying. So I'll be on like he calling come and get me for those type of records like always that Tyson versus Ali, always our feed

off of shit like that. And then you got Gun on the album. Shout out to Gun. I don't know if what I heard is even gonna make the project or not, but if Gun, there's a record on there. Gun's talking some shit. He's on some DJ Khaled fucking Rick Flair. Ass he talking some shit man Pauli Hayman type shit. That's I love buzz Man, buzz I love buh oh, Yeah, that's what he do. Man. Does he trying to convince you to move to Arizona? Yet? Boy is trying to tell you definitely. He was like, Man,

calv I love it here. It's my hometown. So I'm like, yo, whatever you do. He's like, we're gonna be at a compound out here, inviting me out there. A couple of times. What I'm saying, just don't if you come during the summer, you might hate it. It's oh for us one hundred and twenty degrees, Are you kidding me? It's fucking miserable. It's like it's terrible. You could like crack an egg on the street and it'll cook you get a third degree burned from the seat belt getting in the car.

It's fucked. I'm a Buffalo nigga. Yeah, I don't know. I mean we use we being igoles around this motherfucker. It was a big storm, like a couple of weeks ago. Shout out to Buffalo. Man, I did you know it's crazy, because like when I went to Buffalo, I really I got it. Yeah, Buffalo was chill. It was very much.

Uh I got I feel like I understood y'all more everybody. Yeah, because I was like on Conway's block and uh we went to the house that a gun grew up in and uh, I was like, Okay, this is I get it now, Like I understand Like when you guys say when when Conway said Buffalo is the murder capital of the country, check the numbers and stats or whatever on that jet song. I was like, I was there. I believe it so pretty fucking you know, it's a place that needs a lot of love, a lot of rebuilding.

It feels like there's a lot of shutdown businesses. It's just like, dude, I've never seen somebody run a city like that. Though, Like no matter where we went, it was BSF. It was Benny Merchant, was Griselda Merchant was everywhere we went. And that's back home, man, I bro billboards, fucking people just walking down the street like I've never seen somebody run a city like that, like yo, Like you see how the Bill's mafia is they like that because it's like, man, like, they ain't have nothing to

root for. The new era storage disappointed me though. The new store was terrible. But anyway, no, they got to give you the tour. What I'm saying, the tour and walk I ain't get the tour. Whatever they had in that fucking front room was terrible. But no, but you're saying they need people to root for. That's what they do, man. You know what I'm saying. It's like it's a place like that. So anytime we get somebody to to root for and champion on, we're gonna do it, especially if

they from the hometown. Have you got to chop it up with Josh Allen at all? Mm hmm, that's like the guy you want to like, you gotta get that's Josh. I don't need to be bothering him. I needed we need a champion. It's like Tom Brady you know, like that Tom Brady, you know he is man, I might turnish his reputation like I just want to be your friend, bro, I might tarnish his reputation like yo, Josh Allen one night?

Is that the because they're hanging out with in the studio with with Benny the Butcher, that'd be pretty crazy. You get him to do a fucking skit on an album, what them boys not trying to a person like him? Or you get Kelly on a skit. He need that, he need that mahomes contract man, ah, it's coming that. They don't want him. He can't be in no studio with me. They like, no, we ain't paying him that money. You got to get out the studio with the Butcher.

You in the studio would be a seth Griselda. Come on, man, it's a good place to be, all right. So he probably end up being there anyway, but the people who paying him can't know. So we've established there's at least two projects coming out the rest of the year. That's a fact. Maybe more maybe more features, uh, any features that you're super excited about that you you've been able to link with because you're kind it is, but I can't. I'll be one because I'll be so transparent talking about

this ship and then it should be everywhere. Sometimes songs that be coming out, it's some shit that I'm proud about, Like, damn, we got to do that. That's crazy. Now. I feel like I'm gonna tell you when we turned this off. Okay, no you you. Just in general, I feel like the last two years have been like every rappers go to, I need a real rapper on my song. I am, I Am, I ain't gonna I ain't gonna hold you, something like, oh look, Benny's, Benny's on the album. Oh shit,

Benny's on the album. Oh shit, Benny did his song with this person. It's fun, man, It's fun. And that just let me know that, man, these guys respect me. There's all been guys who I respect for sure, you know what I'm saying, and always been guys who hustlers. And I just love being at being at in that pocket word, you know what I mean. The Russ chomped too, was fired? Was fired? Yeah? Talk about Russ because Uss is someone to put his arm around you very early.

This is before burden of proof, This is before a lot of shit happened. This is uh after Plugs I met, right, I think, man, Chomp too is so f fucking incredible. I'm like this people, Russ love. I love his competitive spirit like I love. He cares so much. He's a demon for sure, and his work ethic is crazy. He liked me. He want to rap with the rappers. He liked me because he want to show, like like what we're doing, what we're doing, and Russ is dope. He

a hustler, you know what I'm saying. And that's my boy. Like you said, he reached down early. Man, I appreciate that was fucking with me. Are you Is there any bigger tours that you're looking to try to hop on or yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Uh really right now? They offer me some tours ship right now. Matter of fact, I'm going to dinner with a book and the agency right after this shit. They trying to put some shit together, but man, I want some I want some different shit

than what I've been doing. You know what I'm saying. I want to do some different shits, some bigger shit, what I'm saying, some more theatrical shit. So I'm chilling for a while. What do you think is the biggest misconception about Benny's the butcher. Damn, the biggest misconception. What I mean, let me think about this one, because it's a good question. Oh man, I don't. I don't. I

don't understand. I don't think people understand that. M hm, how hard I had to work for this ship, you know what I'm saying, Like I come in with West, I come in with Cardway. I don't think a lot of people understand that I that I put put aside a lot of shit. I gotta work so hard for this ship. I don't think. I don't know, man, that it's just a whole bunch of shit. I don't think people really understand that, you know, I came from I came from that cloth. I was eighteen in federal prison.

I said, I say, you came from being in prison, not knowing. You know what I'm saying, like people understand that, you know what I mean, because not saying that these dudes, these guys and my peers ain't never done that, because we are just saying we all be doing that, not glorifying nothing. But you know, I'm I'm a I'm a real member. Not saying that I'm the toughest armor because that's that's that's not what I stand on. But I'm

a real member. Man. You know, my mom had eight kids, you know what I mean, single mom, been through foster homes, you know what I mean. And just just with that, I'm not a nigga who got lucky with a song. I mean worked exactly. So it's like all of that and and I studied this ship, and I mean I study how to get on because I didn't, you know what I'm saying, everything fell into place, But I study like like rapping. I always listened to this ship. I

wrote bars down other rappers. What I'm saying just basically like I was supposed to be here, and I'm a person who got here like purely from the work, not no luck, shit, not no nothing, and sacrifice exactly because I can only imagine being like perceived as like you know when Gun and Conway were going to those stations and you would rap it's time. I mean, you got children, bro, like you're a grown ass man. You ain't some kid who ain't got responsibilities and ship that shit ain't paying

you at the moment. You know. Fact, that's a lot of sacrifice, man. I remember telling I remember, because I always held it down for my kids. They always call and ask for shit. I remember when I was I was really about to buckle down and do this I had, they was calling me. I had to tell tell their mom, like, yo, let them have a talk with them. I don't let them know, like they can't be calling me asking me for shit right now because I'm focusing on some things

I'm going through signing. Because I didn't want to tell them, but they needed to know, you know what I'm saying, So they eased up off me. She told him, you know what I'm saying about like six months, I was back in a position where I was doing shit for him, but like better it took like you had to like real shit like that, you know what I mean. That's fucking crazy. What was the last time you had a job? Like when was that time where you finally quit your job? Like?

What was that job? Like that you actually were getting a paycheck for when when I came home and I came home in twenty thirteen, this was nine years ago. I came home in twenty thirteen. I was I just had came back and I had went on a violation, So I went to like a violation program Willard, and I came back. I was only gone for five months. But after you you come home from from a bed, and then you come home for a couple months, and then you go back and then you come back. It's like, yeah,

SITUALI is down right. So I was in when I'm sitting down. So I was really falling back. I was like going around the hood and nothing. I'm motherfucking like I signed up for school. I met a good, great, nice wholesome girl, you know what I'm saying. She was

my girlfriend at the time. She she like I was going to church for her wow and then like I went to I remember she got her brother a job like like cleaning like the executive suites at the Bills Stadium, and she pulled up to the ship and her brother ain't come, so she was like damn, Like she was panicking, like, man, her brother ain't coming, you know what I mean. And I liked her so much. I'm like, I tell him,

I do it, you see it. And I worked at and I was cleaning, so you actually was at the Bill's sad talk about that I cleaned that That's really what happened. I'm saying that's what happened, and now you're in that motherfucker in this week. The food that's on the field performing doing the anthem to how crazy is that? It's fucking beautiful, man, that's ship like the fucking that's crazy. Bro. Well listen, bro, I appreciate you pulling up Tanna Talk four. Incredible,

incredible body of work. Man, appreciate you. Love coming up here having these talks with you. You know how we can of course, of course, bs F. I'm in in April Tanna Talk four in March. Ah. You know what I'm saying, Let's fucking go the butcher coming, Let's go Boo