#135 - David Sabastian

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com promo co bootleg. Let's save twenty percent off of checkout all right, yo, let's get into this interview. I promise you it's a good one. David Sebastian. Let's get it, yo. It's a bootleg cap podcast special guests in here, David Sebastian. What's good you're doing? He's a rapper, he's an artist, he's an author. I mean, how many hats are you wearing? Yeah,

clothing line, I'm wearing them all at the moment. Literal art, I'd say definitely a musician, Uh, designer, author, activist, philanthropist. That's a big word for saying, you know, you help out the community in some way everything. Man, I'm about to drop a cookbook, a raw vegan cookbook, you know, so I guess I'm a chef now too, you feel so explain the raw part because some people say they're vegan. But when I just talked to you about it, you were like, no, I eat everything raw now, so what

does that mean? It's just electric foods. You know, like a lot of times when you cook your food over certain temperature, you cook out all the nutrients. So it's something that's kind of new for me. But I like it because you know your whole life, you learn how to cook a certain way right, and then when you can't do that anymore, it forces your mind to create

new ways to do it. And then the cookbook thing was just like a lot of my niggas who like in the hood, don't know how to cook, don't yo raws to expend like an easy applicable way to make raw dishes that look good, that taste good, that make you feel good for like under ten dollars. You know, so is raw. Like essentially, you go to the store, you buy vegetables and then you just eat them that way. Yes,

but you don't. You don't just take some colar grains and just eat them, right, So like a vegan dish would be, I mean, a raw dish would be like you get a collar green, right, and then you get some hummus, put some hummus in it, you chop up some onions, you put a little deal on it, you cut up some garlic, you add some you know, it's just playing with flavors. So then you roll that up. I like, make this like raw sushi. I roll it up and it just tastes incredible. Man, little sesame seeds

in it. As opposed to like cooking, opposed to cook food. I've lost twelve pounds in about two weeks. Big, and so this is something new you just started. I'm like thirty days in. Do you know I'm going to my birthday because I love I love meat. Paul's like, I love I love I love me me too. Man. You know that's why I can never I just I respect people who say they're vegan. Yeah, because I couldn't. I just can't even process. But it depends on how much you value. So when I eat meat, and I'm like

just a fucking carnivore, I'm tired all the time. I'm fucking sleeping in meetings, I can't move, you know what I mean. I'm like in this constant state of like narcosis. Right. So but I'm eating good right, but now I'm raw And it doesn't really fuck with like eating some ribs, some jerk chicken. But I stay up nineteen hours out the day. I can run fucking as long as I want to. You know, I just feel incredible, feel amazing. Are you going so after your birthday you're gonna go

back to eating meat? No? On my birthday, I'm going to eat a dish, a dish, A dish. What would that dish? Be like some grade eight wagoo fucking you know, just top maybe like thousand dollars fil a wagoo. The wagoo's the one. Yeah, that's the wagon. That's a nice way to treat yourself. Yeah, well listen you you came up on our show what like March or April of last year. Yeah, killed your freestyle. You put out some records.

You just put out a audio book called Imagination Time. Right, For people who don't know what that means, explain to me the first of all, the inspiration for this book and what is what does it mean? So the inspiration behind it was one of my good friends, Jermaine. He sent me an audio book maybe six seven years ago by a guy named Neville Godard who was a speaker, a positive speaker in the forties and the fifties, and it changed my life. It absolutely changed my life. And

it all centered around your imagination, essentially being God. Right. So this thing, this entity that we call God, is the human imagination. Right, Like, if you look around this room, what's one thing in here that wasn't created by someone's imagination? Right? That's fair. The artwork, the music in it, it's you know, everything is essentially created by your imagination. So this audio book taught you how to utilize your imagination to create

the desired reality you want. So I started listening, listening to it and practicing it, and then I was like, oh fuck, and this is a book that's old. It's old, it's yeah, from the forties, it's some talking from forties, fifties, it's on YouTube typing how to use your imagination. Okay, it's brilliant. So I started using it and my life started changing. Because before that, I did a lot of busy work. I did a lot of like you know, sometimes we do a lot of things to feel like

we're doing something. I was just always I'm doing this, doing this, doing this. But once I learned the power of my imagination, it's like you ever heard the expression, like a big dick, don't got to move that much, right? You know what I mean? You don't got to do too much. You know, you can literally just think it and create it into your reality. So long story short, just looking at all these teachers and philosophical people, you

got esther Hicks, you got fucking all these people. They're all like older, like white people, you know, they're all like older white people, and there's no real representation in the audio book Self Help Space, especially from someone who's tattooed like me and as a rapper in Indy streets, you know. So really it just happened like that, like, Yo, I need to speak a language that my people understand and then teach them the power of their imagination. So

that's how it started. Yeah, so like explain kind of you said that during the pandemic you had kind of

started practicing Yeah, this, I guess, I guess imagination time. Yeah, right, so kind of give people like a breakdown on like what that entails and like so so when you wake up and before you go to sleep, your your mind enters something called rim sleep, right, and it's where you don't really your subconscious doesn't know the difference between a dream and reality, right, So that's the that's the best time to impress upon thoughts in your mind that you

want to create, because your subconscious is going to materialize them because they don't know if it's real or if you're in a dream. So I would wake up and at this time I was living at the Orsini. Do you know where the or scene is? Is that downtown? It's downtown. It's like these hood projects, you know, like Niggas was getting robbed in. It's not like fucking the projects, right, It's like some it's like where like if you're an upscale drug dealer, you move to and you know, you

get some like luxury or whatever. But I was in this one bedroom and I just finished living in my office, which was an upgrade, and I wanted a penthouse. Man. I wanted a penthouse, and I wanted a beautiful fucking girlfriend. And I wanted my music to go somewhere, you know. And I wanted a record deal, but I wanted the right record deal. I wanted real equity, and I wanted a couple other things that I just wanted. And I

started waking up and I would go. I would spend I first started off at ten minutes, and I moved to twenty minutes, and then now I do thirty minutes a day. And what I would do is is I would lay down and I would myself in a situation in the future, given that I had all the things that I wanted. So if I have the penthouse, right, I'd envision me I close bys and I'd wake up in my mind in that penthouse and I'd look outside

and I'd be like, it's fucking beautiful up here. And you know, the girlfriend of my dreams would be laying in the bed and she'd be like, you want me to cook you some food? And I'm like, yeah, cook me some food. And I'd walk around. I'd get phone calls about, you know, with my lawyer talking like every you know, you create just like a movie. When you write a script, you're writing a script for your future life, right, and then you live in that reality and then you

let it go. You would just wake up and go about your day. You don't worry if it's gonna happen, you don't worry why it's not happening. You don't even worry about the current reality. You just let it go, like you just watched the film and then crazy shit's just gonna start happening to you. Man. I've seen it happen to me. I've seen it happen to my friends. I've seen it happen to my mom who practices it now. And you know, one thing led to another. It's the pandemic.

I'm like, fuck, everybody's on their phones now. Something said you'll drop your album I'm like, drop my album, but how am I going to upload it to this and I can't sell it on your website. I'm like, sell it on my fucking website. Okay, fuck it. End up making too much money and then end up leveraging that into you know, a situation, a situation and the great situation, and then I end up getting that fucking penthouse and end up meeting this girl who I'm not with anymore,

but I think I met her last time. Yeah, she was fine, she was beautiful human being. It's nice, Yeah, very nice. She was fine and she was nice, But that didn't work out because you know, you ever heard the same be careful what you asked for? Definitely. You know you you may think you want something, but you have to be very very specific on what you want because you might end up getting exactly what you say

you want. That's fair. Well, you also, this penthouse you had was there was a very bad situation that happened for people who don't know it wasn't at this pinho. That pinhouse moved to another pinhouse, So where you moved for people who don't know, there was in La there was a hostage situation that everyone across the world saw on online where they there was Was it your lady

that was being held hostage? She was my friend. Your friend was being held hostage at your place by a guy, a gunman, and the police, the swat team whatever it is, blew blew the wall up or and then rescued her, killed the dude, killed the guy in your living room. You're not home at the time. You want to even know something that's crazy as that was fucking crazy. It was very because I was watching and then I saw you post like that's my home and I was like, oh,

fuck the Then that's crazy as is. I threw a little party the night before and a couple of people stayed over and whatever. And my friend, her name is Haley, the one who got held it gunpoint. Before I left to go to a meeting, right, I said, don't let no weird don't let no weird crazy niggas in my house. I don't know why I said it. I just looked back. I was like, don't let no weird crazy niggas in my house. And she laughed just like I'm not and

I'm like, okay, cool. And then I leave and I go to this meeting and then I'm like calling her, trying to reach out to her, and she's not picking up, and I'm like that's strange, Like why she's not picking up. Maybe she's sleep right. And then we get back to my house and the entire street is fucking blocked off. Everything is blocked off from ear to fucking seventh Street or whatever, and I'm like, what's going on? And people are like, yo, it was a shooting. It was a shooting.

She was shooting. I'm like, oh shit, you know it's crazy. They're like, the gunman ran into your building. Now I'm like, oh fuck, he's in my building. Now, it's like crazy calling her, she's still not picking up, and something in my gut was like, oh fuck, I bet this niggas in my house because crazy shit happens to me, like this crazy movie. Weird shit just happens. And I'm like, there's no reason why she wouldn't be picking up with

this this and I put you and two together. And then someone who I was with, Uh, well, this someone I was with was just like, I think someone's in your house and I'm like, uh, oh fuck, someone is in my house. So the guy had a bad day. He went on a fucking shooting rampage, tried to steal a car shot, someone pulled a trigger a to another dude's head the gun one click, ended up running into my building and uh, running into my house, and your friend's okay, she's okay, I mean outside of the outside

of the trauma that this situation. But she's alive, you know, which is amazing. But you know, anything could have happened. And then when they broke in, you know, he grabbed her to shield himself, and it could have went really bad. I could have went really really bad. So when they because there was like an explosion, right, So, yeah, they put C four on all my doors. They they blew up my crib. They like blew up my crib, my closet.

That ship is like horrible. So all the ship that I manifested to end up getting blown up, which is funny as shit, which is crazy. But personal belonging is fucked. Yeah, but a lot of them, but none of it means anything. It really doesn't. And I can honestly say that to anybody probably watching this, like you know, you you work your whole life to get new cars and watches and clothes and cloths and shit. But they really don't mean anything. I agree, man, people all the time. Are you used

to live there? He doll No, they owe me money too, Santa fe owes me money. If you're a lawyer watching this, I have a million dollar civil case ready to go get at me, because seriously, they who owes you money? The apartment building or the cops, all of them, Okay everybody. Yeah, they kind of blew up your your insurance the building because the dude shouldn't have been able to get into the building. There was a security guard that wasn't on. He was working that day, but he was always hollering

at women, like every time on Netflix or something. Yeah, he was like that. Every time I see a guy working security at a building. He's got his phone, like underneath the desk, he's got his little Yeah. Yeah, he ain't fucking tripping, So he should never been able to get in that building, you know, let alone up to the fourth floor. Oh the fourth floor. Yeah yeah, that's a that's not like a yeah yeah yeah, Like so well, at least that your friend's find yeah, you know, physically

she's still here. Yeah, somebody else was scared as fuck. I wasn't scared. I said, she's coming out. And that's how you utilize your imagination. You can heal yourself, you can heal someone else. You can manipulate a situation simply by seeing the outcome and then believing it. I guess that's what people would call faith, mm hmm, manifestation, manifestation. Yeah. Do you think would you kind of compare the imagination time thing to like a form of meditation in a way?

Of course? Yeah? The focus is a practice. Yeah. I saw that Jim Carrey had tapped in with the audio book, said that one of his friends had shared it with him, and then he tweeted about it, which is a big deal. By the way, Jim Carrey's probably got one of the more incredible imaginations ever. Yo. Did you hear him on the Weekend's new album? Yeah, genius, The whole radio station is genius. Yeah, the Weekend's album is dope. I fuck with it, but not just that's got to be crazy, right,

like Jim Carrey tweeting about you, I'm blessed. I have so much, Yo, I have something I can't even talk about that's gonna happen with Jim Carrey that it'll probably surface in a couple weeks something collaborative, collaborative music. I don't know, that's fair, that's big. Have you met Jim Carrey, Yeah, cool dude, psychedelic electric. He seems like I know he does already painted stuff like it seems like a very uh yeah, he was. He's always been my favorite actor.

I love The Truman Show, I love Man on the Moon. Everything that he's done has been just remarkable. But I got a lot of ship up my sleeve this year. I'm fucking swinging for the fences. Man on all good will collaboration, easy skied roll collaboration, You're gonna you're collaborating with yeasy on skid Row. I don't know. I just coughed. I don't know what's going on. But a lot, a lot of a lot of transitions, a lot of new

things are happening. I'm dropping eight projects this year. Eight yeah. Now, when you say projects, music music projects, so yeah, eight bodies of work in some capacity this year. Valentine's Day Times, I made girls cry in December, dropping AI Artificial Ignorance.

Throughout the summer, I'm dropping mix tapes in Texas, New Orleans, Canada, Chicago, something to go to these regions and work with Manny Fresh and New you know, I mean, different producers, rereleasing We Are God, There Will Be Blood, which will be a Christmas album that I do on skid Row, using people from the community to make like the craziest Christmas

album ever. Wow. You know it's you know, it's interesting because like you have, like like you said, you're you give back a lot, but you also shine a light on skid Row and just kind of the homeless population in general in La. Yeah, And I feel like during the pandemic, I guess homelessness obviously was on a rise, but it also kind of became like the national narrative about LA's going to shit because the homeless man, there's people sleeping everywhere. It's like, you know, the city can

fix this. Watch. I was gonna ask you kind of your take on that, because you're you know, you're probably so just like death right, death is a trillion dollar business death, so is a fitness so is homelessness. If there was no homelessness, then there wouldn't be these foundations to help homelessness, which everyone's got salaries where everyone's got

these over fluff salaries and it's like a business. You know, you got to feed this and the tax write offs and all this shit, you know, so they kind of needed to exist. And mind you, there are some people that live in on skid row who want to live on skid row, like you know, not everyone wants to live in a house. There's a story of this woman who we got housing for, moved into her house and then set up her tent in her living room, through away all the furniture in the house and set up

her tent in the middle of her living room. Jesus shout out to her. Dedicated. It's dedicated. But so my goal isn't to necessarily eradicate skid row for everyone, because I feel like there are people who are simply who simply want to be liberated from society, who don't want any fiduciary responsibility. But the people who do want to

get out of it. Like I've been doing imagination time on skid row, going up to certain people and getting them to see what they imagine, and ten out of ten of them are just imagining a nice place to sleep. They're like, man, I just want to live in a living room with a nice couch into this and some pajamas they just want somewhere to sleep and an opportunity. There's thousands and thousands and thousands of square foots square footage and factories downtown that are vacant that I'm going

to buy. I'm going to buy. I'm going to turn it into housing. I'm also going to branch it off into my skid Row manufacturing. There should be skin Row trash clean up. We're going to start a community garden. There's you know, skid Row potato chips because you can grow potatoes up. And I have this whole plan of you know, getting a potato factory. They're making skid Row potato chips. Like I'm just I'm just figuring it out.

Did you notice skid Row getting becoming a more like or Downtown just in general becoming a more wild place the last two years. Yeah, I know it was always It's always was wild in pockets, but it felt like it's getting crazy. Man. It's feeling like Gotham City right now. Every time I go downtown, it's like it's like I'm like, every time I go, it's like, damn, sh it's getting crazy. And then I'll go two months later it's like fuck, I'll go a week later. But the crazy thing is

is on skid Row. It's not crazy, man. I feel safer on skid Row than on Melrose, right Melrose, Yeah, damn Melroses. It's hot for sure. Melros then used to be like that, Yeah, of course, yeah, you know, but like skid Row is really a community of fucking people. Like it's really like Grandmama's, grand uncles, cousins, it's like a it's a community. Yeah, there's some junkies, Yeah, there's

some this, but it's really good people. Man. Yeah. Do you do you cause with your interaction with people on schedule, because I always feel like with the homeless thing, there's there's, like you said, there's people who are there because they don't have a choice, so they want to get out of it, they want to get into a better place.

And then there are a fraction of the people who have drug problems, who have mental problems, who you know, not even talk about people who just want to be liberated from society, but people who just are in a position where they might have addiction that they're dealing with. Do you feel like, like, what do you think is the solution for those people? Psychedelics just give everyone some shrooms to mayahuasca, not just give it to them and

say here, take this. But you know, something that I want to create is I want to I want to create an environment where people going through addiction and trauma can be inducted into a program where their diet is all raw fruits, raw vegetables, and they micro dose shrown and d MT and ayahuasca and they go on and inward journey into psyche. And I believe that you can

help cure a lot a lot. Yeah. I think ayahuasca is like the one thing that like, I know people who have had lifelong addiction, They've had vices that they could never shake, They've had suppressed mental stuff that they never even knew was the reason why they were a certain way. Because it forces you to, like, have you done ayahuaska? Yeah? Yeah? And when i've for me everyone's experiences, did you do it with a yeah? Yeah. I'm a shaman,

are you? Yeah? Well okay, but uh you're an ayahuasca shaman. I'm just a shaman in general in life. I respect that, Okay, But these drugs or not, this medicine, I don't even want to call it a drug, but it helps you look at yourself, this character that you created for yourself and for me. I looked at all the things that made me me, and I don't know, man, it's just when I took DMT for the first time, I seen these little elves, these mechanical elves, they were just like

laughing at me. I was like in this whole like mechanical realm, and they were just like laughing. And it made me feel like in this other dimension somewhere, there's people there just laughing at us because we're just fucking yeah, we're just so trivial. We're like working our whole lives at jobs. We fucking hate to buy shit we don't need and do yeah, and just like in fear and shit, and they're just like hahha, Like you know, like life

is so fucking simple. It really is, man. And you know, I wear nice shit, not because I feel like it brings my value up or to get girls or to look cool, but I genuinely I love I'm a fan of aesthetics, you know, I love nice ship, but it doesn't define me. Man, I get I'll give give shit away. I don't give a fuck, you know, yeah, what for when you did ayahuasca how did that, like, what was

that experience like for you? Because you know, sometimes people puke, they ship, they're fucking I mean it's for people who don't know, it's like a process. It's not like you just you get the shivers, you get the shakes. I mean, it's like it's like detoxing. It's like when you're going through a what do you call it, a hero withdrawals

and ship. You know, I've heard people say that, like there's like a voice you hear or I mean you go into the astroplane, you're floating in nothingness, You're going through a black hole. I mean me, I don't know what anyone else is going, but your time stops. It just there is no time, there is no nothing. You're like one with everything. That's crazy. And you know, obviously for people who don't know, it's like something you drink, you know, I don't think. I think people for the

most part, probably know about trooms. They probably know about DMC. I think ayahuasca is the one thing that's like not as easily as accessible. I think it might be pretty in the future. I think it's gonna be something more people tap into. But can you imagine that creating some type of process on skied ule where people are introduced to these Yeah, because I do think that that is a way that people can really kick real addiction. Yeah.

You know, it's like addiction is like, especially to certain shit, is like physically hard just to just to do. Because you know, if I quit doing this, then I got a week of the worst pain of my life coming my way. So I'm just gonna keep doing it. And there's no likes, you know, I think that that's probably one of the bigger reasons why like people end up homeless. Like it is what it is like, you know, being a drug addicts a full time job. They say it

added to anything is a full time job. Yeah, you treat it like it's like your job every day to get high or whatever whatever that thing is. Yeah, I yeah, I agree. Yeah. So so you know, I wanted to ask you, man, because like I feel like here in LA you're like one of the dopest minds we have. I feel like you your music is incredible, I feel like everything you do is dope. But like, for whatever reason, I feel like you're still somehow underappreciated in the hip

hop community. When we think of LA, I just made you say this. I was thinking about this and you just said it. It's interesting, that's crazy. Why do you think that is? And do you give a fuck? I don't give a fuck, but why do I think it is? Huh? So music is on a frequency, right, just like the radio station. Right. Life is all about frequencies, right. You know, when you you can't get you can't get things up. You can't get things that you get when you vibrate

up here if you're vibrating down here. Right. So music as a general, as a whole, it is kind of vibrating at this frequency right here, right. And in order for it to stay at this frequency, only artists and music and thought processes that allow that frequency to thrive it so it stays here. When it's here, it's safe. It's a lot of money to be made, right, It's a lot of my I mean, I could get really deep with you, but you know, music is religion. Music

is religion. It's like when you go to a concert, it's like going to church. You know, our bodies are ninety percent water. Music vibration sounds, especially ato weights, which resonate with our lower chakras. It can control as it can manipulate us. It can influence us. So right now music is like right here, and our people are being controlled, influenced and manipulated at this frequency. Now, this guy named David Sebastian, this entity right here, he's vibrating up here.

And the second that that vibration becomes popular, it's going to force everyone down here to rise. And now the subject matters are going to change, and now the what we deem is important isn't going to be. And now you're going to have a group of people self actualizing and asking themselves questions and saying, why do I need to buy that? Or why am I that? Or I don't want to fucking go to the club today. It's

like a whole new paradigm shift. And when that paradigm shift exists, a lot of the shit down here just will become irrelevant. It's kind of like, remember joh Rule was like the biggest shit on planet Earth, and then fifty cent came out and then then he wasn't and then he just wasn't. Yeah, because fifty created a new paradigm. Kanye shifted the paradigm and he kind of shifted it away from fifty exactly, shifted away from fifty. So every now and then you have these paradigm shifters. It was

very hard. I was talking to Dame about this, very very hard for dam Yeah, dam Dash. I was talking to Dame, and it was hard for jay Z to get anywhere. No label would sign them, nobody wanted them. Da da da da Right. Same with Kanye. We hear about his struggles. Sometimes when you have a new perspective and you're in and and and it's and it's and it's more futuristic than anyone can currently see, it's always going to be a tumultuous thing to get to where

you need to be. Yeah, it's like the it's the harder journey, but it's the more fruitful journey once you get there. It's like like you could dumb your shit down, or you could do whateveryone else is doing, and you could play industry games and worry about all that shit. But at the end of the day, like I could start a TikTok, I could do a cool dance, I could do all that. But you know what what I'm doing right now, what I'm building right now is I'm

building a legacy. It's this legacy, my right I had a waitress come up to me who I didn't even know, and she was like, my son loves you. He's like seven years old. I play him all of your music. I show him all of your art. My entire family's rooting for you. We want you to like someone swear

to God. Like yesterday someone hit me. It was like, David, I've been following you from the jump since pussing marijuana, and I somehow got out of contact with you and found your Instagram and you were at seventy thousand followers, and I got really mad and I was like, I got She was like, I got really fucking mad, and she was like, because like the output you put out and the level of work and consistency and blah blah blah, like you should have a million plus fucking twenty million followers.

And then then she was like, I realized how this system is. Man. So I'm not mad because I know what's going to happen this year. Some major, major things are about to change with me being at the forefront of culture and yeah, so it's just a matter of time. Yeah. I think like too, Like I feel like you are

building your own ecosystem, your own world. Almost as to where like most artists who come into this game, they're very much dependent on, you know, going to Grammy parties and networking and you know, just doing whatever they got to do just to kind of but I feel like you're kind of over here building your island, and eventually, you know, people are gonna come to your island, and then hopefully the music industry starts to look a lot more like your island. So just I want to paint

a quick picture for you. Imagine if David Sebastian number one record on the on the billboard, right, which means that there's a lot of eyes on what I'm doing. Right, Imagine I have a skid Row drop this Friday, right with millions of eyes on me. Yo, we're dropping this skid Row collaboration. And then that drop makes two million dollars. And then I take all of that two million dollars and I put that into building my factories out and

employing the homeless. And then I drop imagination Time, and instead of twenty thirty thousand people hearing it, now it's millions of people hearing it. And now you have millions of people have an imagination time every morning and every night and while that's happening, like it's it's going to be a phenomena. Yeah, hey listen, I don't doubt it, man, I look forward to looking back at this interview. Oh

this is these these are the interviews. Like like I hate to say nip because I'm not like putting this with death or anything, of course, of course, but like but no, we go back and we watch old Nipsey. Yeah you watch I remember when he died. I went back and watched old Nipsey interviews that I've never seen before, and I was like, damn this thing. He was a talking that shit. He was talking that shit. That's facts, man, that's facts. Like I think Nipsey like was, for whatever reason,

like ahead of his time. But also like you know, I wish he was here to see the love that he's got now because like I've you know, I've been knowing Nipsey since split oh nine is when I first met him. Yeah, he was on my show in two thousand and nine, and like you know, he was always like a like one of our guys, Like you know, I'm a fucking hip hop head, so like always was rooting for Nipsey, but like just to see like the love and like he's become an icon, you know what

I'm saying. Nicon downtown there's a thousand Nipsey murals everywhere. You know. There's a saying that great men plant seeds for trees for shade, for great men plant seeds for trees, that they won't be able to sit under its shade or something to that. Yeah, that makes sense, you know, Like it sucks because I mean in the physical for him to see the amount of reverence, you know, and and I know I'm going I'm going to see it

in this lifetime. I came here for a reason, for a purpose, and I think we need liberation more than anything. The world needs to be liberated. Culture needs to be liberated. We've been in the box for too long. And I think COVID has has made a lot of people take inward journeys in you know, I think I think COVID, aside from the obvious deaths that have come of course, of course, but I think it was a blessing for a lot of people as well. Yes, because it forced

you to sit by yourself. I have a song called Running with the Wolves, where I ask a girl, when was the last time you were truly happy when you all by yourself and you weren't at a party like we numb ourselves with the viper lea experience going to the club, going to the bar, dopamine fucking drives and shit, what if you're alone at home? Yeah, for a year,

it's six months or whatever it is. Yeah, man, it's fucked because, like everyone I know is depressed right now, a lot of I mean that is the one thing about COVID. Like my kid who's in high school, he was like we had to put him in counting and stuff because like he was just going through it with his girlfriend and she was his mom and like, but it was like he couldn't leave his house. He didn't have interaction with his friends. He was sitting in front

of a computer every day for fucking six hours. You know, it's different everyone I sit in front of Lately, I've been having lunches and everyone just like breaks down mid conversation, and you know, I try to do my best to help or try to inspire as much as I can. But I honestly think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. You know, you got to go through it at some point self. Reflection, and you know when you come out of it, you come out of as stronger. But we are in a very serious place

in the world. Did did you end up catching COVID? Ever, No, no, shout out to you. You know it's funny and this might sound like some weird superhuman weirdness. Never caught COVID. But I was in Atlanta and I was shooting a rady interview and this is when COVID was going around. And I woke up and I couldn't breathe. I had the shakes, hot, cold sweat, like for sure it I have COVID. I went in the bath, I turned on hot water, and I had imagination time, and I imagined

you didn't have it. The sickness just coming out of my pores and into the water, and literally an hour later, I was perfectly fine. Did the interview, no cough, no nothing interest. I was just fucking great imagination time. For people who don't know, they can get the audio book, but they it's super simple. They could just if you got Zell cash, app Venmo, Apple Pay. So hopefully by the time this this airs, it'll be on Audible and it'll be on Amazon. Right but right now, go to

You could text me right yo, it's crazy. When I dropped Weird God, I did the same method, text me, send me the cash app and literally imagination time. I have thousands of text messages in my phone right now. You have a separate phone. No, this is my line? Wow? Is your Is your number up on your Yeah? Yeah it's nine one seven five three five eight five seven seven. So if you hear this and you want it, you could just text me, like, y'all want to audio? And

it's like seven chapters or six seven seven chapters. Yeah, it's an easy listen right, very easily. It's me composing the whole thing, playing the piano. It's kind of an experience, like if you're gonna check it out, you should probably

be relaxed. In April, I'm dropping another audio book and it's called Believing Yourself, And it's more of a episodic of how I got to this point, from dropping out of high school to becoming a freelance designer, to traveling with Steve Aoki and designing his brand of this, and to working with Drake on his planes and this and that, and just to how I got to this point. It's called Believing yourself. So we're going to get to some of that, but I gotta take a piss so quick

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I can't even really talk about that right now for real. I promise you when I can, I'm gonna come back here. I'm gonna give you the whole school. Okay, okay, okay, Yeah that's I mean, you put it out there. Yeah, but it was a question mark. It was like, is this is what's happening here? You know? Talk to me. How you ended up working on the Drake plaining ship.

A good friend of mine, Matt Babel, who manages Drake, back when I was having some tough times and I need some money, he hired me to do freelance design work for Ovo and for Dream Crew and their whole shit. And I just used to just design shirts, merch whatever whatever they needed, and uh, he put that on my dead was like Drake just as a plane you have

any ideas. And I had a shoe called air David, you know, and I was just like, ifd be tight, Like if I had a plane and called my shit air David, and I was like, fuck, I'm probably gonna have a jed anytime soon. I was. I just kind of gave the idea air Drake, you know, just and then you know he has a Nike thing. So it's like instead of just do it, I did it, you know.

Like so I just kind of slid that conceptually when it comes to like design, I feel like there's a few underappreciated people when it comes to our industry, cameraman, photographers, and graphic designers being like at the top of the list for sure. I feel like most graphic designers always get underpaid or people expect them to do something for free, or they'll put a whole lot of work in on a design, they'll submit it and then if the artists

don't like it, they might never even hear hear from them. Again, it depends on how you build. I mean, I was that for a couple of years, but now I get paid. I started off in this game, I got one hundred

dollars per design. Then after teenage millionaire, I went up to three hundred design, and then I started working with Steve Aoki and doing Diesel and Ruka, and then I went up to five hundred design, and then I started working with von Dutch and pack Son and blah blah blah, and I went up to like nine hundred design and then blah blah blah. Now I won't touch it if I'm not getting you know, fifteen to two thousand a

design and some type of equity and the piece. And it's like I was gonna say, like, do you have any advice for people who do graphics who are trying to figure out how to differentiate or and stop doing graphics and do graphics for yourself. Just make your own shit, make your own shit, and then make people respect you, and then then charge them then you can set your price.

Because if you're a graphic design, like you said, like they really treat you like the underbelly of shit when it's your ideas and designs that are creating these fucking brands.

So you know, create something for yourself, build a business around it, make something out of it, and then people will start coming to you like can you do this, then you can set your own price on the clothing shit, Like was what were some of the trial and error things you had to kind of get through to like really, because you know, clothing is a very it's a tough business to be in. There's a lot of overhead depending

on how you do it. You know, there's certain people who I mean transparently, I'm currently going through a problem because I have like three thousand orders unfulfilled because you know, we're we're teaching people, we're taking people off the stream. We're essentially teaching them how to screenprint, right, So that's

a whole thing in itself. But then when you have thirty forty skws on a website and people want one hundred of these, be twenty of these and thirty of these, and you got to print theeves and this and then shipping and this, it's like a whole thing. So I just shut down the skid Row site just for a couple of weeks, shipping everyone their shit out, and I brought in a new manager to help run the business.

And yeah, so you're going through that as we speak. Yeah, yeah, going through it as we speak, Because you know, you want a million orders. You want people to spend you know, a million, but how you're gonna fucking ship a million dollars worth of product? You know what I mean? So expansion growth. We talked a little bit about, you know how I feel like you're underrated in the LA scene. Who are some of the artists that you grew up listening to that you feel like never really got their

their full flowers in LA? I don't know. I mean the people I grew I grew up listening to Park, I grew up listening to Jay Wayne. You know, like, there's like Nip I let's say Nip. I'll say Nip because Nip was a purveyor of taste and he had that thing and he had to spark and to make great music, and he was for the cultures, for hiss hoodies, for the people we made good music. And uh it was only through his posthumous death that he was a

appreciate it fully appreciated. But yeah, I've never seen a me before though, I've never seen a nigg who do all this shit I've done has indirectly and directly affected culture. Who hasn't gotten his flowers Yet's say, twelve months from now, I'm talking to you. Let's manifest some shit. What do you hope? What do you Where do you hope to be?

Where do you hope to have happened? This year? Man number one across the board and everything, skid Row Manufacturing gross fifty million dollars employed, and how thousands of people music, number one hit single album, touring across the board, sold out, audio books, my publishing company, number one on Amazon, my kids program, just drawing, building the school here in New York, Chicago. My art and the Louver, the MoMA, the Mocha, you know,

going for two hundred. I'm about to do an art exhibition. That's why I mentioned I'm gonna show you something. I've been working on it. I'm doing an art exhibition next month. My first time doing these like twenty foot artworks. So you can't really see how big these are. But this is like twenty five feet. Oh that's fire. They have like real hair. Oh shit, Now if somebody wanted to this,

that's crazy. How big this is what we're saying. I was gonna say, hypothetically speaking, someone wants to buy one of these? What is it? What is a twenty five foot piece of art? Go for from David Sebastian. That's a lot so like, so like what com big? This is? Yes, that's massive, that's fire. So this I think I haven't it's gonna be about one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Wow. What it like when you painting and making art like that is like you gotta have inspiration? Like what is

it like? Is it something that like how often are you working on pieces? Every morning? Four o'clock in the morning. I have a regimen four to nine, eight, four to nine in the morning, I'm painting nine to three, I'm doing business three to seven, I'm shooting content seven to eleven or twelve, I'm making music. So you're sleeping three or four hours a day kind of yeah. I be up with my videographer Esco at three thirty in the

morning talking shit all day, just working. Do you feel like have you always had that kind of like those sleep habits? Yes, yes, I love. I honestly like I love And if you're listening this, you should try it because spiritually the veil is thinnest at three o'clock in the morning. There's an energy why everyone is sleep. It's like it's like cpu power in your fucking computer. Right while everyone's awake, all the energy and everything is being

distributed evenly. But when motherfuckers asleep, you can just my best idea is my best songs. Everything happens three in the morning, four in the morning. So you feel like what because I feel like most people would think you need eight hours of sleep. I know a lot of people like usually I get about six, six to seven. But I mean, you say you're rolling on four hours

of sleep. We don't need anything. We have been conditioned and told as a as a human race that we need this and we need that, and we need this or we're gonna be deficient of this and you need this. So we believed it, and that belief system is what perpetuates the need for that. We need eight hours of sleep. So you need eight hours of sleep, and if you don't have it, then you feel the als of that. You don't need shit. You are You are a fucking god. You can do whatever the fuck you want and be

completely fine, ladies and gentlemen. That is David Sebastian. Yeah, and he's got well. So we're clear. People can go support the audio book. When audible text me nine one seven, five three five, eight, five, seven seven. If you want to be a part of this community, this tribe that I'm building text three one oh three eight eight fifty one ninety three. If you want to buy some skill roll shit, go to ski Rollfashion weeek dot com, or pull up to the warehouse on Peico and Maine, thirteen

hundred South Maine. That's where the ski roll office is. If you want to be a part of the team and you want to help expand this hit careers at Believing Yourself Records dot com. You know that's the label. If you got a book and you want to get published, you know my niggas read books to publishing. That's mine. I love that. And then eight projects of music coming. We didn't even talk about the music. Valentine's Day Times, I made girls Cry. April re release The Weird God June, Atlanta, Georgia,

nine to oh some some some here. This is the I also got a little calendar of all the this year. Ain't fucking around, man, Oh I see it. Yeah, And he's done all the artwork already done. I got the albums done, everything's done. Is it harder for you to do that? While being quote unquote on a major label. Where is that part of the deal that you worked out this part? I mean they're my partners. I'm not

signed to this. Okay, if it's a joint JV situation, But listen, man, if this is this is where you kind of zoom into the camera, you get into my face. I look at this right here. You could do whatever the fuck you want to do. Okay, you could fly if you believe it. In order to know you can fly, you gotta jump first. That's how a bird learns it can fly, because the mother fucking kicks it out the nest and it falls and then it either fly or die.

Right And all I'm doing is spreading my wings. If you're not gonna give it to me, I don't need a coach sign. I don't need none of that shit. At the end of the day, I am waking up people one at a time, and all of this is going to create this cosmic shift of energy within our people. Man, I'm gonna put on the Illis shows without a label. It's not even about a label. My self fund that she. I'm gonna put on the Illis shows. Drop the illess visuals, drop the illess music, the illess merch at the same

goddamn time gap goodwill collapse. I'm gonna show you something. Don't say it online, but yo, look at this Hollywood un Locke is dropping this who what me who? It's a rap. There it is, go following man. Yeah, and thank you and thank you for this interview, thank you for letting me freestyle. And man, please invite me back anytime. I would love to come. There it is. Go follow this guy, Go support him. David Tebastian