#122 - Dame Dash

he's a legend, He's a visionary. Uh. We actually went to his studio, which was not far up the road from our studio and sat down with him. He had you'll notice some drums in the background, his band was jamming out and we had a dope conversation. There was a lot of inebriation. I'm just gonna I'm just not even gonna be honest with you. Let's just be honest. I ate trooms with Dame Dash before the interview started, and the shrooms hit me right about when the interview started,

and I'm pretty sure they hit him as well. So with that being said, so many gems in this one on shrooms with Dame Dash. It's the bulet Camp Podcast. The Legend, the visionary. The CEO. Shout out to his stut go to Dame Dash Studios, Man, watch this ship on Fox soul on to be all that go support the homie. We appreciate his time. Very busy guy, and he sat down with us and that this is the interview. All right, look bulet camp podcast. We got a legend about to roll up some O. G Yeah, Dame Dash,

what's up? Man? Appreciate you sitting down, bro. I mean I came through to my spot. Hey let me yeah, I've I feel like it's a really inspiring space too. I got to kind of just see you rehearsing with your band. Just tell tell me about Dame Dash Studios where we are. You know, I saw you in there jamming out with the band. Shouts to the homie Alien,

your drummer who I've known for a long time. Well, really this is like a spaceship and we like time trap, you know, and it's a place where, like, you know, anything that inspires us, we just do you know what I mean? So it's music, movies, it's books, it's cartoons, educations. You know, I'm a television network, but the programming is are things that inspire me. You know, whatever I'm feeling, I gotta do And I feel like that's the magic,

you know, that's the trick. You know, that's the goal, to be able to monetize things that you would do for free. So we're just hanging out. That's everyone's going left. I feel like, right, how to make it? Really we're not really meant to work our whole life or that's a slave mentality. We're meant to fucking party in that funnel home life. But you got to figure out what is a healthy party? You know, what's a sustainable party?

How can you feed your family off of Like why do you have for they things you don't like to feed your family? In fact, why do you have to be separated from your family to feed your family? You know what I mean? Why do you have to do it in times that your family would be spending with you, Like when the sun's out and son's not out, my son's sleep my baby sleep yep, so he ain't missing any dreaming And that's some real shit. Like the time you would actually want to spend with your kids is

during the day. But then you if you have a nine to five, well you're behind a desk, But where's your kid behind a desk eight dollars a day. It's just training him to fucking be all right with sitting behind a desk when the sun's up, when he should be in the fucking ocean looking at some water, running

around in the garden or something. You know what's crazy is I got to give you Pops man, because you had that Breakfast Club interview a few years ago go where you talked about ownership, and that shit really like

resonated with me, so that that was my purpose. I wanted, yeah, man, cause you know, like I've done radio for so long and have worked for you know, the ihearts, the conglomerates of the of the radio industry, and uh, at the end of last year, I walked away from like terrestrial radio in a sense of working for anybody and just started my own syndicated radio show, start my own podcast, and now I'm on Hell of Markets and all those companies like iHeart, you know, like I have a partner,

I own it. Uh you know what I'm saying, Like I still and I'm still on Real ninety two three in La. But I'm on Real ninety two three in La every night on my own terms and it promotes everything you're doing that you w one hundred and I don't. I don't. I don't work for them. You know what I'm saying. I used to work for iHeart you know what I mean? My checks used to say iHeart media and and you know, I kind of feel like like that interview you did, Man, was a lot of inspiration

for me. So I just want to give you props, Man, because that's some real shit. Like, you can't really say you're a boss unless you're unless you're actually about unless you actually have employees, you know what I'm saying it like hey or somebody. Unless you actually have a business, unless you're losing money to make money, unless you know, unless you're taking that risk that gambled as as yours. You know, unless you're a founder of something that came

from your brain. Yeah, you know, something that inspired you and that you still behind failessly. Now, I've been seeing you in there jamming out with your band bro and kind of talk about what blue Rock is because I saw I saw that that's something obviously for people who don't know, Man, Black Rock was an incredible body of work that you put out over to what was that two thousand and six seven. Yeah, the first time I

ever heard the Black Keys was on that album. Yeah, I feel like that album doesn't get talked about enough, you know, probably by people that wouldn't appreciate it, you know, right, those kinds of things. To me, it's like drugs. You know, you don't advertise them, you're just word of my mouth. It's so good people who just like if you know, you know, type shit, right, That's the way I like it. Yeah, for me, it's not about pop culture. It's about people

that are like minded. It's about a cold and the epic where we're speaking in the room saying that's something and no one else understands, right, because we're talking to the boss, where everybody else is talking to slaves. Some real shit. Like you'd be having a conversation in a room full of thirty people and only two people are on the same wavelength. It'd be rare that I even have that conversation and let myself be in that situation. I've actually been able to architect where I don't have

to be around morons anymore. It's beautiful thing, bubble, you know, it's a beautiful thing. I feel like too. You kind of have had a lot of a big hand in in bringing the Black Keys kind of to like the forefront of like No, No, No No, No. I broke the Black Keys, There's no doubt about it. No one knew who they was. They didn't even do That's what I'm saying. They didn't make video. They didn't even know what it was like to actually have bread, oh, what it looked

like to spend it. I burnt them out and now they're one of the biggest rock groups in the world. So but you know, my beef with them is that they never ever showed the appreciation to those artists that broke them, which was hip hop and never George Jones the most depths. Those guys didn't even know who they were. They did it just because they trusted me, and then all of a sudden they blew up and they were like yo, they were gone. Their ideals changed. That's how

I looked at it. Pat McCartney was very disappointing to me. Wow, And you know, telling them, I said, so, well, we got to give you your flowers in the rock world too. Man. You know what I'm saying, shout out to Dame Dash. We gotta because because I'm a fan of of of of of of that. Uh. I appreciate the leg of of what you did man and what you continue to work. It was a black rock too, That's what I'm saying. You were telling me about that. But those guys were missing.

They didn't want to put it out and I didn't feel like chasing them to put it up. But it had sean price on it, tile lip quality. You know, whiz Khalifa fucking currency before Black and Yellow Wi's Khalifa? What is? What is blue rock? Blue Rock is my music division within my media empire. It's where it's really my therapy. Like I do music for fun. I'm a monetizer, don't get it twisted, but it's not urgent to me

to monetize. It's not about when it's like, I'm building a catalog of things that will be considered vinyl for people that appreciate real music and instrumentation, and just like you know, the effort it takes. You know, it took us two days to set the room up just to record, because it's an art. If you look at what they're doing, they're recording in different rooms, recording live. It's an art,

you know. Yeah, I was watching this documentary on Netflix No on Disney Plus about the Beatles and they're doing exactly what I've been doing. I'm like, the Beatles been copying me. That's how I felt. You know, that's fair man. I definitely think you know, you've laid a lot of the groundwork for a lot of the stuff that's popping right now. So you know, I thought the biggest compliment

that Kanye gave me was the original black hipster. The original black hipster, Yeah, because that's I feel like that's what every kid wants to be. And I really I guess if Kanye said it, If Kanye said it right, who we kind of look as the guy who brought wearing pink polos to hip hop and you know, kind of normalizing like certain aspects of fashion and music. If he said it, then well he made it everything that's

unnormal to be normal. Yeah. I mean, I feel like that Drink Champs interview obviously was a moment that we'll live for hip hop, that will live on forever. All our interviews are Anybody in My Bloodline interview was classic. But what Kanye said about you essentially being the architect, being the visionary, I mean I remember as a kid seeing you on backstage and being like, man, this guy's

this guy's the that's that's the CEO, right. I remember you yelling at DJ Clue for wearing the deaf jam leather jacket and just being like, man, like, I fucked with I fucked with that. Just that mindset. They're like, yo, no, we're Rockefeller. Like. They made it easy for me to be me. You know, I like being batman the villains and people that are doing wrong, but a hero to those that need to be protected our culture. So you know, they were a lot of fun to me, making examples.

You notice I shaped all that shit. You saw it because I captured it, yep. I just wanted you to see that. You know, that's how I treat them, sucking motherfuckers, and y'all could treat them the same way too. That's why I showed it and captured it. I want you to see the truth. They make you believe that there's something they're not and that you need them and you don't.

And behind closed doors, certain people kiss ass and certain people make them kiss the I make them kiss the ring or to make them bend the knee, I'll break that back till they been the knee, and I think that that is something that can be applied self awareness of who you are and our culture represents. Were the jewel of the universe, and the only way to control the jewel is to make the jewel think that the jewel is not the jewel. I'm not going for that dumb shit. I know I'm the jewel. I shine and

my culture shines. I think that that has kind of been the blueprint of the music industry right, making artists think that they need the labor culture, make us fight each other and fucking protect our oppressor like they fucking are the plug. It's a good program, you know, kudos to the enemy. But once we're aware of it, why keep letting them winning that way? Knowing that it's just a mental thing. Physically we kick ass and mentally too. We just have to know it. And it takes. It takes,

like I feel like, finally takes doing it. But I feel like, finally there's like a new generation of artists that all the kids is listening. So I was invested in the first place. I was like, these old motherfuckers do not listen. They're just stubborn, they're complacent. They just want to survive, get the next advanced check, survive, never recoup and be depressed and then be like, what the fuck I don't consider that living. Yeah, I feel like

they're finally this era of artists. At least it seems like a young A lot of these younger kids understand. Yeah, they do. But we do have to stop glorifying us killing each other, because that's just them celebrating. That's a w every time one of us gets hurt, and it's us doing it to each other. Every time us doing it to each other, and then the suicide mission, the bad food we keep putting in our body. How are you gonna trust your oppressure oppressor to feed you pissing

on your foot? Ooh, bro, I would never let my enemy feed me. That doesn't make sense. It's not logical. I never let the person that's knocking me down get me food, religion, or anything. I'm not listening to nothing you're saying because it's only to control me. I'm aware of that. I think we all are. But everybody's pussy. That's the problem. Fear is implemented. It's a program to stop us for making our dreams come true. And most of the things we're scared of never happened until you

think about it so much that you manifested. You know, when you're sitting around thinking about shit you're scared of, that means you're not doing nothing about it. Because when you're doing shit, you ain't thinking about the past. You're thinking about what's in funny, you know. So if you got time to reflect, that's too much time. You should be working. Too much time reflecting the sucker shit to me's lock in your wounds. I'd rather fight, And that's

what I want to be famous for fighting. I don't want to be famous for rapping. I don't want to be famous for acting. I want to be famous for kicking some fucking ass to those that deserve it and helping people that I look. And that's what I'm gonna go down to history for an ask kicker. Fear is definitely the one thing right that keeps everybody in their place.

You know what I'm saying. We think of people who won't take that risk to start their own business, or we're talking about artists earlier, or don't even tell the truth. You know. I did an experiment last week because I was like, I don't understand how people are depressed. It's so much fun to be healthy. And I was like, there were some things that were bothering me with people that were close to me, and I said, I'm not going to talk about what's bothering me for until at

least they talk about it. And they didn't talk about it, and I internalized it, and I was sad a little bit every day because of that, and I was like, Fuck, this is what depressure is. I'm never doing that again. So I dealt with it. I articulated in a different way, because the only way to change a scenario is to do it different. You know. The thing about people is that be like, oh, what is it always happening this way? Because you fucking do it the same way every day.

You react the same way, you move the same I mean, how do you expect a different result if you're not doing anything different, you know? So I decided to approach it a different way, and I wrote like letters and shit and then it worked itself out. But at the end of the day, what I know is I'm never gonna ever let anything that's bothering me faster faster, because that causes sadness, which causes cancer. It's not healthy to be unhappy. Laughter is key as well. Laughter is key, man.

I feel like, yeah, I mean, just being here for the last few hours, I feel like you kind of have a great environment for creatives here for just nothing that's a vibe in here. Man, this is what this is. You know, sometimes you got to Macaveli yourself for peace. I need the people leave me to fuck alone so I could actually work on me and art detect the environment that I could do daily to the extent that I don't even see time. I can't. I'm like fifty,

and I'm like, what the fuck out that happened? I don't feel fifty. I don't feel It's so much fun. It's more fun than when I was. Wow, it's crazy. That says a lot, man. That's why people should invest in their future. See, when I was twenty five, I looked at what I wanted to be doing in twenty five years. It was like, I'm definitely not gonna be trying to shake a fucking bottle on the stage. You know I did that, right, of course. Of course. I

just saw you reenact the Dame dash Dance. From the way it is happening, bro, I just saw that, I was like, yo, you nailed it, like and then and I just saw it dance I was you'd have thought it was it was it was ninety nine or two thousand. Again, it's my dance. If I ever can't do my own dance, that's real fucked up. And it's like a it's like a it's as much of a dance as it's just like a moment. It's like a lot of moments, bro. If you notice, it was like the Dame Dash dance

is like thirty different dances. It was every time I fucking danced in a video and got captured. It was just you know, me being free. How the freedom looks like that dance? How was it? You know? It's really funny when people try to do it. It It looks simple, but you just can't do it. That doesn't look simple to me. A little kickback and I'll be like, it's

simple to me. A little spind down to the floor, the spin of the floor, want to smooth, it's like an a one mixtape move on the floor with a bottom. I don't know now, uh obviously you know, and I do it. When I performed, Yeah, I was gonna say, like, you know, you. You're getting there jamming out and you have a band, you have a you have a full band, you're singing like I got to hear some music, you know,

rock star? Yeah, Like like is that something? I mean, obviously you're you're gonna monetize whatever you do, right, But like you said, music, it's just it's just therapeutic for you as well. Right. You know what happens is usually how it started was coait for a second son, how song was coming around and doing artistic things, and I was like, I don't give a fuck. If your show's not right, it doesn't matter. So I was like, I sign your live, be a real artist, and go get

yourself a band. And he got a band. They were all right, but you know, I was starting to rehearse him to show him how to do it, and then I ended up firing all them and ship. But you know, and it just turned into me just fucking making just as many songs. It's like a competition. Matter of fact, I'm gonna let him take you real quick. So what happened with the Blue Rock boot Campus and walking through it.

He's been in the boot camp for three years, so the Blue Rock boot Camp is something that is whole document. What do you required? What are you required to do? Man, give us the rundown. You're definitely gonna. You're definitely gonna. If you have fear, he's gonna. He's gonna mirror whatever you have in you and you canna have to overcome that.

And it's amazing because it's like on some real like Karate Kid Master Splinter, it sounds like, it sounds deep because I realized how much anger I have and and and it was so funny because there was moments where I was like, seeing that mirror and you overcome that, and then you you have love. You have no choice but to have love after that because the fear is hatred. We have to understand that anyone who does have fear, it has hatred and if you have hatred, you can't

have love. But yeah, so when we when we were doing that, and then it became like every night it was like he'd go do a song. Then he'd be like, and then I go do a song, and then we go back and forth, and it was like I'm calling you up, yeah, performing wise, yes, yes, in the street whatever. I'm never gonna send somebody to do something, gonna do myself.

That's some real ship. That's how everybody should be. If I'm up there doing it, then you better be doing it at least as good as me or better, way better fifty right right, right right. That's some real ship. And the whole process is gonna be you know, every step of it. He's gonna be there and he's gonna you know, if you if you're gonna like he always says, you ain't gonna hustle me, you know what I mean? So if you show up and you do it like, he's gonna be there and he's gonna be like, O,

this is you know, it's not only the performance. What else you gotta come from. You gotta come with the visuals. You gotta come with that. I got a whole TV show now, it's a whole Entourage Curby Enthusiasm show. Oh wow, you can't be performing. What happens is every two, every a certain day, I let all the artists that I know come through and I have the band and they gotta perform. But you can't just perform. You gotta come and bring a visual screen. You gotta bring an experience,

you know what I mean? Like, you know, so I was shooting, shooting and edited every week for real, for real, Like I think that that's that's something like like like we talked about earlier, Like that might be one of the only things from the older era of music, development of artists, development of Let me tell you that that that you know you had that rock chain for sure? What's cleifland Jay electronic? Yep, all of them were in DED one seventy two. I made all of them practice.

You don't see what I'm saying. Starting shout out to Stally Rick Chris, one of the best. Chris, one of the best live performers in the world. We did their first videos, the first I have all their lives, first performance, Slave bel did their first show. Slave Belts did their first show on my basement. Wow. Yeah, And it's all document that's big, you know what I mean. But you can't come to me and tell me you got a good record if you ain't got a good show. Yeah,

the live shows, so I need to see. That's important. I want to see basically the way tell them how you got in the in the loop in the first place? Right, So me and his son were cool and your son has a cookie company, right, Okay? And basically. Basically there was a closing fact that we were making. I was making merch out of right, and then I showed the son and yeah it got to him. Man, wow, no, no, But how did I let you start to be creative in here? Oh? Because so I had just did a

publishing deal, right, so I'm a producer. Yeah, And I was like, yo, I don't want to email beats no more because I think it's disrespectful that it's like you'll send me a pack. You know. It's like, if you respect the creative, you want the studio. Yeah, exactly. So I was like, man, I don't want to email beats no more, and I want to do a beat gallery. So uh, in here we I had visuals and each beat had a color. That was when I had the other side before COVID. It was like a huge thing.

And and I put QR codes on the wall. So someone liked it. They could scan their phone on the QR code. Davidian shout out David Sebastian Man's and when you scan them as an artist before step and when you scan the QR code, you got sent the stems to the beat directly to your phone with no email. Wow. So it was like this whole Steve Jobs presentation or whatever, and yeah, and that's what happened. He did something creative that I liked and creative and you bore people and

you bore culture. You can fucking do some shit. And I just want to add to those lists. And now Hassan and I will be the biggest there. We hey represent Saint Pete. Yeah, Sat P seven to seven Man bro the Bule the Boutle Hap podcast presented by odd Socks. Those are my boys. We were just in Miami with the odd Sox guys. Man. Yeah, shout out, hey, man,

that's that's a beautiful situation. Dame. I want to talk to you man, like you know, obviously we talked about this Drink Champs interview and and you know you you and Kanye have been locked in uh forever, but uh, I feel like you've been real close to him and in in you know, some rough times for him, maybe perceived by the public at least. You know, you've been going through a lot of personal shit with his family

and stuff. But I know you've been spending a lot of time with ya and even just like being out in Wyoming a lot, Like do you feel like you and Kanye have gotten closer than ever in the last couple of years. Because it feels that way. I don't really talk about that part. You know, he's an interesting guy and you know our relationship. When he speaks on it, I'm surprised, but you know, I don't really do that.

That's fair disrespectful him. Plus you're don I don't want to trigger him at some real ship, man, that some real ship. I wanted to. Yeah, I remember I bought the double disc payd in full dream Team album as a kid from the warehouse, and I threw in that dream Team disc and We Are the Champions was the first record on there, right, one of the most like iconic, so like underappreciated historical moments in hip hop because that was really when we heard Yay, before we knew who

the fuck he was. I mean, people, you know the thing about that was it was h The reason for is what I will say about Kanye is he's the only one on a real level that's given me a certain kind of respect, the only one. And it doesn't matter because he's the biggest one, right, He's the only banion in the whole crew. It's funny you know, but he's the only one that's paid proper respect and he's

always been that guy. And what happened was I had asked just Blaze to flip that beat for me, and Just Blaze did not, and I was aggravated about it, like I yelled at him about it, probably because I found it disrespectful, like I send an order and you fucking don't prioritize it. And I asked Kanye to do He did it that day at night, and you know, history was made. And it's just because of the respect that he gave me. It's the reason why I was so successful. Was the record the first record he got

played on the record on the radio as a rapper. Yeah, he can't, you know. It was a good and in fact, that was the first moment, and it was the first time Queen had actually cleared a sample. They cleared it for me, and I feel it was the first time we heard Twist officially wrapping that rock. Yeah, Twisted. He always considered my brother him and Raw that was my brothers. You know. I remember, like because I was trying to do like a hostile takeover, I was taking common sense.

I had Tyler John legend it was like crazy, but like Craig Coleman was giving me an issue when he was at the at a show and I was like, yo, why you don't just let it twisted? You know, he was being the sucker about it. So I got on the stage and I just gave him my rock chain and was like, he's with us anyway? Fuck you. Yeah, because Twister never actually signed with Rockefeller, right, it was just fan, no signing family, So you were you were trying to Also, Joe Buttons was signing me and so

was not signing me. Was on Rockefeller and so was nor. No one even talks about that. I remember Noori being on Rockefeller. Yeah, but Joe Buttons was. I don't know, Joe was, Yeah, he doesn't talk about it. I was, uh, And Joe Buttons don't pass plugs for the record, you were chosen my niggas, but past the plug. During that time, you were you were also trying to bring Common into lib over. You were saying, yeah, ask her, that's crazy, Yeah, Kanye, you know it's a different it's a young it's a

whole Ask Kanye. But you know those are there's a funny story. You know, you got to think like, remember, I was the guy that was touring Kanye, but I was also having John Legend tour with us, So you know, I laid that foundation. I thought he was signing with us. He didn't. I was like, that was a bullshit. But you'd be surprised how many careers I launched on the love.

I mean, we talked about the Black Keys earlier. We can't let that go and say, you know, but I was talking about like crick no no no for yeah, yeah, big crick current like a you know, not to say I luned because you know, just just how many people that I was actually advising, just for free just signed. That's the thing. They all wanted me to sign them. I just wouldn't. It wasn't like they didn't want to sign. I was dame dash. I had an art gap my office.

The funny shit was, when I walked out of the music business and everyone was broke, I had like a three story building in Tribeca doing the illest, coolest shit. It was so funny to me. That's why I was like, oh, I would never expect my impression to celebrate my independence. So I'm fifty now and they still be fucking with me. I'll be like, wow, I must really be a threat because I haven't even come outside and they still be like, na, now, you can't look like you wanted. I don't care what

it looked like, NIGGI. It is what it is. It can't stop. You know what I'm saying. You know, if this is what losing looks like, fuck it. You know what I'm saying, This is what it is. Wait, hold on, time to stop the interview, because we got to talk about our good folks at odd Socks. Man, listen, if you go to odd Socksofficial dot com, that's odd sooxofficial dot com. Use the keyword keyword. It's a fucking promo code. Use the fucking promo code. Bootleg cav all right at

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initially right, and then Kanye ended up doing it. I just always had like a snapping kind of thing. Shout out to Just Brother, but I'll be heating them up. I'm just curious, like what you know you were there during the Blueprint sessions, Like I bought the beats. That's why I was gonna ask you, Like Kanye Kanye talking about just kind of cop being a copycat. I don't get into that shit, but you know, I just know that both Just Blaze and Kanye came through hip hop

and he bought me both of their beats. The reason why I like what's going on is because really what happened with Kanye was the first record song single that came out on Rockefella with a Kanye beat with the true Seagulls the Truth. So you know, that was like the beginning of it all. Then he had all this beat tape and I just brought it to Jay and he just had this bank mega shit, you know what I mean. But it was hip hop that brought those

two and the same exact time. I remember like, as hip Hop's quiet, so he's not the kind of he's like you have to like trigger him to know what's going on with him. And I remember just being like, Yo, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? Like it was like that would rock the mic. Like I was like, what's the state property records and shit? And I was like listen, I was like, hol you bucked put this shit out. I'm a director, put it out. You know,

he's just quiet. He's a genius. They're all geniuses. On what was you know, what was it like to hear Hope give you some love? You know during his speech at the at the Rock and at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction induction. Obviously it was it was great for the culture. That's why. That's the way I looked at it. It It was like, and that's the way we'll leave it. Good for the culture, always good

for the culture. No beef with no of a black man, especially in someone I used to hustle with, you know, So whatever promotes that image, I'm with it. There it is there, it is man. What you know what's crazy is like I know you were behind bringing a lot of people don't remember od B before he passed, Dirt McGirt was on Rockefeller talk about like Riah picked him up from jail. I say, talk about that because I feel like that that's like a part of like the

Rockefeller legacy. We don't hear a lot of because it kind of was at the tail end of things, like right like when things started to kind of get interesting. But like you know how I be he saw cloudy bro. I forgot about a lot of that shit. So much good shit is happening in the future, you know, Like I said, when you're having fun, you don't like hold on to certain things in the past, and unless you're like trying to learn from him. And I was talking

about that situation the other day with old Dirty. I just remember when he died, his family just you know, I went to his mom's house, all his kids was there, just theyre just was dancing and they were still happy through that pain. I learned so much from that, you know, I think about the good part, what you can learn from dark. I gotta find the light. But it hurt me because he died on my watch and I tried everything I could do. He was the first one I

lost on my watch. Is there something like you know what's going through something like that and watching kind of the generation of artists that I feel like we've lost more artists recently than we've lost in a very long time. It feels like, you know, we just lost you just lost golf obviously, King Vaughan last year. I mean, we

could go on and on. So many people are passing, Like is there any anything you learned from just being a man in this industry and just being a man in this world, like like dealing with the loss or just dealing with Like you're fifty, right, we talk We talked that it always hurts, bro. Yeah, like I'm saying, like you're fifty of them. You just don't be surprised, but it hurts. And when you know a lot of people, everything that happens affects you. When you love a lot

of people who get a lot of hurt. And I'm a guy that likes to help people. So everyone like that I've tried to help or people that I've tried to help, Not everyone, because I help a lot of people, but the people that I've helped that if got killed, it hurts, you know, it hurts. I have to get therapy every time, and it never doesn't affect me. It's therapy is something that obviously is that something that you know, I feel like it's finally kind of starting to become

less sticking it. But yeah, of course I made it cool, so yeah, I do healing this gangster. You know, our culture doesn't usually get therapy, so the study of people doesn't come from black people. It comes from white people. So when the black person finally does get therapy, he's getting the medicine at a white person. He's not a black person. Different kind of trauma. So we need to find people that speak in our tongue that can actually help us. But it is cool to have a consillari.

You know, someone this doesn't have a dog in a fight, that could tell anythings just based selling statistics. It's a consultant for your life. You know, if you think that's weak trying to make yourself strong. Then you're just a fucking clown to me, walking around bleeding, stitching shit up and not healing it, just gonna continue to bleed, you know. It's dumb. And the thing about being uncomfortable for me, I don't like being uncomfortable, so I do anything I

cannot to be uncomfort as quickly as possible. So something's bothering me immediately. I'm trying to figure out any way I can not to be bothered anymore. But people would rather be bothered than not deal with it. I just don't logically get that. Can you give me another drink? Please? You know, if we can get two of those, that'd be I'm I'm on the shrooms with you. I don't

have the alcohol though they've hit two. We're chilling right now now that that's some real ship like like you said, like, uh, she's like I don't work for you. That's nicely she doesn't have to, but she might not. Who the fuck is this guy? Basically don't get too comfort like what are you now? But what you just said about uh, why people wouldn't want to become unbothered if they're bothered by something. It's pride. I think it's I think it's really pride, man, you know what I'm saying. Like to

think they need to waste the time? Yeah, that's not pride. Pride is when you fight for something you love. When you have pride, you deal with your problems because you have so much pride that you can't look weak. I have so much pride that if I know that something is making me look weak and I got to take care of and be lead by example, I must be able to say, yo, I'm making them. Fuck I'm a little weak here. Let me watch me go make myself stronger.

That's why I do public the repy. Nobody's not weak. You know. Experiences are new. You don't fucking deal with them for the first time the best, you know, it's not a weakness to just do something and try to be better at it, or art detected before it happens. It's not weakness. And whatever thinks it you need there, you know what I'm saying. If you don't get it, you know, it's called a social disorder. If you don't have accountability for your problems will never be fixed. Hmm.

That's some real shit. That is some real shit with the Dame Dash Studios and you know, producing so much content again, like we can go back to do a TV show. Of course, cool deal. But that's how easy it is when you're a boss. I think of like no contracts. When you want to shoot. There it is, you know, the question is when you want to shoot? Uh? I mean, let's talk with soon you're talking's what's the TV show? It's your show, bro, I'd have to really think.

I would want the show to be really good, you know, like he put out a show that's not really No. I know that's what I'm saying, Like I really got to think about it. I think about it. This was what I call an experiment. What I just did was say, let's do a show when you thought about the reasons why it might not work. No, I didn't. I just said, you said, what do I want to do? I mean, you doubt it? Those questions don't come into my mind. Your automatic thing is it gotta be good. Of course

it's going to be good. That's like getting in bed with a girl and doubting that you're gonna have good sex. This is true. I don't be like, oh I gotta be good. I get it. It's gonna be good. It's gonna be good, So then why would you say that first? So that's what I was explaining, and I was truthful. We're doing to do a deal, but why do people automatically think like that? Even good people that are doing it right, it's still hard not to think about that first,

and like, what could go wrong? You think about that first? Supposed to go wrong? I'm a fucking don right, I'm just gonna fight. I'm with it. But I was gonna say, like, uh, I mean, talk about the what was the first movie that you produced? I forgot, but it's been so many obviously this is paying ful, paid in full. But actually I did? I think I feel like I did streets Watch? What was it? Wasn't there one? What was the comedy Paper Planes? Paper Soldiers? That's when I discovered Kevin Hart.

That Kevin Hart. I was gonna say, Vin Hart was in Paper Soldiers, right, which is crazy, right, because that was before Soul Plane. That was like Nigga. I took him off age and put him in his first two three movies. What was it? Like? I'm used to making people famous, bro, I mean, this is favorite surprise. I was gonna say that I look at is how people act after. That's really what I like to look at.

That's my If you notice I like to experiment life is I'm having so much fun in life that I could fucking play games and you know it's like surfing to me now, thank you? Yeah literally, I was like, okay, let me see if I could do this with my with my arm time on my back, then that's how I thank you. With the whole world watching. You know, the difference between me and everyone else is, I'm so confident about my fight that I tell a lot you live just because I know I'm with There's no there's

no doubt. I was gonna say, like with the with the content space evolving always right, let me let me explain to you what I do. Yeah, please, everything that's happening now, I was talking about a ten years ago. I created the weapons that everyone's trying to use against me. That's why I created the weapons so when they try to fight me, I'm the one that fucking advantages can't beat me. Now. I started everything y'all doing too funny to me? That was also an experiment, are you you know?

With the n f T ship the metaverse is so much. You know what it is. What your world means digitally is going to mean more than what your world means in the physical. So think about what if you show up to a fucking fashion show in the fucking uh you know, in the digital what do you call that? When you become at him? No? Uh, what you call it?

What do you call those? No? No, a fucking uh runway? No, anyway, what I'm saying is when you come in as a you know, when they turn you into a I know the name, when it's a little drunk, But when they turn you into an advertar vatar avatar when you're an avatar number one, what you're wearing as an avatar is going to be judged. Your sneakers, your clothes, your car, where you live, digitally, everything that you have digitally is gonna mean just as much. It's inevitable. But at the

same time, it's happening. Bro, No, it's happening, So there's no there's no point in like fighting it. But at the same time, do you think, what's freedom? Do you do? You think it's a good thing? Though, every opportunity to get more money is a good thing. It's a great thing. If it doesn't hurt anybody. Do you think do you think it's a good platform for artists NFTs and for sure change and the way to track it all that ship is great. The way you resell it beautiful. It's

a beautiful thing. I feel like we're making up your own money. Think saying the dollar means ship because it does no goal to back it, and people call it on they keep printing money. It's like us there used to be the gold stand everybody make. You could make your own coin and put an evaluation on it, but you just have to pee people buy into it. No, it's it's crazy, man. You know, I could create a coin in the physical. You can't get into the spot unless you have it, you know. Yeah, No, it's it's

it's it's definitely. Ah. I feel like we're gonna end up like ready Player one. You saw ready Player one in the movie, the Steven Spielberg movie. It was a few years ago. Steven Spielberg made e t right. Yes, so yeah, you better watch what he fucking makes. It's crazy, though, I just don't know if it's a good thing. If we're all gonna be like that's fear everything is a good thing. People. It's just no such stuff. Ain't going outside. You're gonna go outside in the in the metamy, bro

listen to me. In this world, in this universe, in its existence and any vibration, there's a young and a yang. There's just as much negative as positive. It's just how you perceive it. Everything has a negative. There's a negative in everything. There's a positive of it and everything. It's just some people focus only on the negative. That's called fear. We're leading with it. That's fair, it's the truth. If

you lead with negative, then your fuck you lost. Everything is positive, even and something bad happens, it must have happened for a reason, a good reason. It just for me to find it. I'm not about how you approach. Why would I pay attention to the negative of the fear. I can't control none of that ship all I can control. It's just like being worried about who's the fucking president. I don't care who's the president. I'm getting money. We're

all getting money. Yeah, I tell you, metaverse universe. Whatever, I'm still gonna do what I'm gonna do. But I don't care. Yeah, that's real. So why I fear that? If it's coming, Why fear it, embrace it? Monetite. Oh god, that was crazy, big big part alerts, big part alerts. Hey, somebody, I want to talk to you about who I feel like as someone else who I just feel like doesn't get enough flowers. As far as being one of the

grays of all time? Is Beanie Man? Like we talked about The Truth earlier, I think Beanie Siegel was like first four albums or just I mean, man, beans is you know obviously, like I said, I don't think he's appreciated enough as an all time great in this rap game. Like what was it like early Beanie Siegel prior to The Truth dropping days? Like, there's a lot of going to court, so I called them state property. He was always had cases. Man, it's challenging, you know, and you

love people that are in challenging situations. You know, you still have to be there for regardless of whether it makes you uncomfortable or not. There's a lot of things that were going on that made me uncomfortable, but I still dealt with it. You know, you don't leave. You don't leave the street to go back to the street, you know what I mean. So it was just like it was my responsibility. I signed on to that and I dealt with it, and I pretend to everybody that

was with me. But everyone that is with me is legendary to me, So you know that's fair. It's not about being appreciated. It's like a matter of when. It might not be his time to be appreciated, but he will at some point. You're fifty years old, You've you've lived an amazing life. What would be one or two lessons that you would just want everyone to hear like that you had to that you lived for them, like essentially,

kind of give me, give me, you know. We talked about health, We talked about fear, we talked about you know what what what? What are the life lessons that you feel like you can offer the world that that that you live for them. You know what I'm saying, at this point in your life, worship women. That's that'll get your that's the best. That's the best advice. The creative of life should be worshiped. That's God right as women. I think that women should be looked at like their gods.

I don't know why dudes want to be around dudes all day. I don't get that. But women create life. They nurture, you know. They don't leave with muscle, They leave with emotion and brain. They have no choice. They make They have estrogen while we make testosterone. While be around a bunch of testosterone. And you got enough? I got enough nuts polls for me. I don't need any other nuts around me. Pause, you know what I mean?

That makes sense to me, It's logical. I don't get it, be like, why the fun would anybody want to roll with ten niggas that they can roll with ten beautiful? And I'm not talking about aesthetically, I'm just talking about you know, yeah, women are just fucking dope. I love women, man, I don't understand. I'm like obsessed. I love women, Uh the last thing, man, because I know you gotta you gotta get get get to what you gotta do tonight. But you don't deserve a good woman unless you're a

good man. You don't deserve a queen unless you're a king, you know what I mean. You can't just be like, Oh'm gonna get a bad chick and you're a bum ass niggat. If you're going Dutch, you're a bum ass nigga. I'm sorry, say it one more time. If you're going Dutch, to me, you're a bum ass nigger. If you're letting your girl pay for anything, a girl you really care for. A gentleman just doesn't do that, you know what I mean?

I don't care so essentially, because our job is to make it where a woman can do whatever she wants. She could raise a child without any stress, support it, to create life. What else would a man want to do but make that environment for any woman that they are care for. If you're not a man that makes your woman's dream come true, then you're not her man. The person that makes your woman's dreams comes true, that's going to be her man. And I'm the dream maker.

A bar a bar. Of course people can support man. You know obviously, Dame Dash Studios, you got the clothing. I know you just had the Black Friday sale. Well you know I'm launching a high end designer line. You see those pictures on the wall, Oh I see them. Yeah, I made that and I'm gonna launch it. I'm launching my clothing lines with a movie. So all that you see is the clothing, the storyline. I see the storyboards. Yeah, it's gonna be a movie. And then it's gonna be closed.

And that's how you're gonn launch the clothing line. Yeah, how else? Obviously you've already done it once with Rockaway right and state property and state property and people forget shout out to state property. I remember being in junior high and going to Burlington co Factory and copping that state property ship. For real, you just copping and half price at Burlington. I definitely well, you know, I was poor, so we were at Ross and Burlington. That was plaining

to me. I just was telling you, yo, Now, I'm I was cured. It's okay, It's okay. Why how do close end up at Burlington? Code fact? That's the whole model, bro, that's the whole model. Just half price? Well, all right, let me break it down. I was breaking it down to Devin the other day. So Ralph Lauren, right, he creates a lifestyle and with all that other shit he does purple label blah bla blah. I don't making no money from that. I'm sorry, I'm sor. I didn't hear

what you said, Ralph Lauren. Ralph, Okay, his real name is Ralph flip Shits. Should that Colin rah flip Shits calm, Ralph flip shits. So Ralph flip shits this slip shits guy. Right, So what he does is he creates this lifestyle. Right, And because he creates a lifestyle, the polo shirt costs five dollars to make, but the logo, just because that logo is on it, he could charge one hundred dollars. J C. Pennies or any other brand that have to

charge fifteen dollars. Right. That means wholesalers has seven dollars retail us at fifteen half price. It set seven dollars, right, He puts it on there for one hundred dollars at half price is fifty dollars, and you think you're getting a deal. But he's still up, and he's still up on the margins. So he makes all his money at

the outlets and at the off price. The problem with that business is you have to do like one hundred million and make three million, So you have to have like four or five companies that you're just pimping out that make three million a piece. So at Rachel roy I was making three million dollars a year from being one hundred million dollar company and fucking Macy's. The Margins was duty you know. So that's called the schmat the business. So yeah, I mean obviously, uh, it's all off price

to be in like a regular store. Is just marketing so that you could sell it at Burlington and all those off prices. That's the whole game there, it is. That makes sense. If you could follow me, then this jewel I just dropped, you could wear it or I could take it back, put it on the shine, you know what I mean? But I do there it is so look so you're you're seeing the clothing line. Is there gonna be? When is that gonna launch? When the movie comes out? Right? Like March travel, I'm gonna try

to catch a fast next fashion week or whatever. I don't know. I'm not on the schedule, you know. I don't know what day it is, all what time it is. I'm just fucking having fun, just having fun. Man. Yeah, that's how we live. Well, we rock stars. I love it. Many thinking about a rock star is there's no fear with it. You just don't give a fuck. And it's crazy when I see people that project this rockstar image and then they're just scared all day and not scared

about violence, but scared about what people think. The minute you're worried about what people think, you've lost your rock, your rock star. Don't ever lose your rock star. Bro, don't give a fuck, go like this. Just don't give a fuck. Repellent. I spray it on every day. You spray it. You should. You should bottle that up and sell it, dame. No one would buy it. I'd buy it. I know a lot of people that buy that ship. To be honest, there it is no for you were

out here. Now you're not scared and not thing. You don't care about what nobody thinks. There it is stop. I wanted to ask you. I don't know if you're comfortable talking about it on camera, but obviously uh also freshness contagious too. Now you're gonna be fresh and give him a CEO package. He wanted the cop Get that man right. I need the shorts, that's what I want to buy a pair of shorts. I would get into him, but he wants to support that. I'm not going to

stop him from doing a pair of those shorts. Shorts are fire, but I would give him to for free. But I respect no. I would like to support man. We got to support man. Come on man nu Yo earlier. We we had some some chocolates, some magic chocolates earlier. I don't know if can we talk about those on the podcast. I just wanted to know, like I prefer not to till it's legal. Fair enough, all right, we'll leave, We'll leave that conversation where where it where where it is.

But we are booming, and uh, psychedelics are the future, Ladies and gentlemen. I would just like to point that out. And the present and the present literally the present for both of us at the moment, you know, enjoy the president. Do you ever like I think you know what I'm I'm really thinking about doing Dame Is. I'm thinking about going to Costa Rican doing the EYEWASHCA ship. Have you heard of that? I mean, I'm I just don't want no dude watching me while I'm too fucking throwing up

and ship. Yeah, like you might throw up, you might ship yourself. And then there's just some random I'm not doing nothing. There's just some random shaman that you're just supposed to trust. Right, You're the most vulnerable moment in your life, and there's there's something. Yeah, I'm not doing it. That's the reason because girls like you should do it. I'd be like, I ain't. Let no niggas see me high and all crying and ship. Yeah, if I ship my pants in the middle of the jungle, I don't

look like something you want to. I just want to see you, girl. Girls want to see you at that moment. I think. I just don't. I just don't think my brain is crazy because when I do things like that, my challenge to me, the fun part of it is acting normal. So most people never know when I'm high. I'm high all the time. Did you invent pause? Yes? Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a mite, know this, I am the inventor. You were the inventor of pause. My crew to best out, we invented pause for sure.

There's nobody could ever ever say that. I didn't not. That's all of us that came from my block period. My crew, best out. What year was this? How far are we going back? Remember you? When did the were we going to? Like eighties? Obviously the eighties, early nineties? Yeah, no, nigga, no bugging. That's when you found out about it. It was a secret society of No one knew about pause for like twenty years. Bro and then all us sudden,

I was like, oh, shammy kids saying that. I'd be like, you know, I invented that, baby, right, they tell me the rules. I'd be like, if my son hits me with the pause at least once a week. Yeah, And also I invented I made up the term fresh to death. I go say that. Listen pop tags. I made that one up. Okay, I'm the one that named hovah. I made that up. I made that up. What was the inspiration for the Jovah jehovah? Yeah? You know? But but but pause, We're gonna get back to the pause because

this is more of the morning. Can't canceled out here, bro. I understand that it's probably not the most uh you know what I'm saying. It's not meant to be offensive. It's always been a personal joke with my friends and down the whole world does it. It's like, fuck, I can't even have a fucking personal joke. You know. Everyone's people would ask me. I'd be like, I would never

tell them what it meant. Ever, I'd be like, you have to figure it out, but no one knew what it meant because you say what it means if you think about this just show a fucking clip of me in the history of any part of the world at any time that I didn't say pause? Were you saying pause? Bro? Don't understand and all of them. It don't matter how much money you got, It don't matter what you're doing. If you slip. Niggas are laughing hard if I do

some dumb shit. It's like Instagram. They just I'm because I'm so like, you know, yeah, so you catch me slipping, it's a celebration. Like I don't even think I lost a snap fight in like one hundred years, you know what I'm saying. Can you remember one of the more funniest like moments in pause history? Yeah? The one, but you just know that was one of the funniest ones because I feel like you have like a rap like maybe you're hanging out with bun being pimps. They don't

know what it means. He killed it, you got it, you won? You wan like you even like somebody say, yo, what's up? I'm gonna say, the time is the pms pause? You got you? You know you? You you okay? Now when pimp, when pimps see I wouldn't even correct him. He was like a g I know what I'm saying. I would just listen to him, but he never would

do no ship like that. I probably would say pause though, But the one time I got to really hang out with him was that big pimping and we hung out, me and him, and I feel like there's a song called coming Out Hard. That was just a pausible song title in general. Right, the whole conversation is a pause, So let's go to another one. You know what I'm saying. I feel like that's the name of the ugksm coming Out Hard. I think they could pause. Right, I'm out

of this this conversation. Hey day man. Obviously people can support what you're doing. Dame Dask Studios. The app is ill. You could check my ship on Fox Soul, Dame Dask Takeover. I'm a television network movie there's Dame Deash Distribution. All that shit is on tub. I got new movies out that I didn't make, like Once upon a Time in Philly and Social Dilemma. Go to tub. But you can see on her up all that ship the block is hid is clicking. If your work is good, come fuck

with me. I'm a fucking full service movie studio. But Weinstein, was I am, I'm the new guy. Pause why Weinstein? Me too? No no, no, no, I say no, me too, know me too, know me too, know me too, know me too. Gotta get his game. He's all fucked up now he may context ship. You know what. It's gonna be funny when you go back and boy's gonna be like, nah, you fucked up on that. They're gonna be hitting him up for a while. But that what. That's okay to worry.

But I'd like to think I've been saying pause a long time that you said that. That was the one time you should have said it. If you've been playing it for twenty years, you should have not. I said, that's what you say. Enough Now that I know that you played the game, Oh it's even funnier. Oh god, well, I appreciate you, dame. Thank you for satting down. Man, I thank you for coming through the environment kicking and hope you all you'll get some b woe. Yeah, and

then we're gonna I said it on TV. You gave me your words, So we're doing TV show. We're gonna do it, man, when we're gonna do it aysap tomorrow, Let's meet let's figure it out, man. Now, get me tomorrow and we both bosses, we both on all our ship. Man. Let's come together coming tomorrow during the day and we could uh, you know, I don't let everybody know what time we're gonna be. Blow it up, bro, you know on a camera. You know, hey, man, shout out to

my guy. What's going on? I appreciate you. Yeah, shout out to my guy. Yo, get it here real quick, sit down and plug your TikTok and your drum ship. And this is one of the most legendary drummers in the fucking game. And ask him why you don't got an Instagram? All right? Yeay, talk about the first of all, you have a Trojan magnum tattoo. Listen, this guy's got a magnum condom tattoo on his hand for life. Pause, that's possible. Yeah, so yeah, that's already. I'm already a troll. Yeah,

tag your ship man. Well, I have no Instagram. So why not? I have no Instagram because I put up a post about a lady in Africa who uh found out pause her husband was gay and put what is it super glue in the ky jelly? You want to post that. Wait. Wait, yeah, so they deleted your Instagram because of that. That's what was my question, because it wasn't like a thing. I didn't show what happened. I just showed the news clip from and that really happened,

and it happened in Africa. It happened in Africa. It was news in Africa. That's fucked up. I follow some weird sites on IG. I bet you do, but I took the video off of I g though, pause, Go follow my guy, Go follow me? Okay, where can they follow you? At TikTok alien war, TikTok alien Ward, TikTok on deck. There he is, my guy. He is