#119 - Andy Mineo

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or oh, it's butchered every time? What is like the most annoying renounciation for you, like when people get it wrong mineo because it sounds like mayonnaise, So you know that's the one. I'm like, I no respect, no respect, no respect. At this point, I don't even care. It's crazy because in one of my one of my bigger records that went gold, that's say it in the record. I'm like, it's Mineo. Say it with me, Minio. Okay great. Uh So you know they're like, I'm a huge fan man, Mineo.

I'm like, you've never heard a song in your life because you would have at least heard that record. And I'm happy to hear to hear that you like my song that went viral on TikTok. Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. I'm happy to hear you like coming in Hot. That's right. That's right, huge, huge, fucking fit yo. So yeah, of course, of course. Yeah, we're giving everyone free pubb big shout out to a mountain. I meant check Ghost Energy,

need to cut that check. So has this been your first time hitting the road since the world Yeah, fin ste old panty. This is uh, you know, we actually had a whole It's funny look on the back of this. This is like the tour merch that was all the cities we were supposed to hit, right, but it wasn't that. It was only like what like eight or something, right or right now we're only doing nine cities, right, But on the you know, we had these pressed before the

whole thing shifted gear. But we were gonna do twenty four cities or something like that. I had a whole band, and basically what happened is when we started figuring out what was going on with the mandates, what was also happening with like if anybody gets sick, what you have to deal with. We were like, yo, we can't take this risk because financially, you could just sink yourself. So it had a full band, and if one person gets sick, you can't put them on the bus, you can't fly

him home. You have to leave them in that city for ten days, pay for their hotels, pay them, pay them their per diem, fly someone new end the same day, have them learn all the parts, and then pay them. So now you're paying double triple. And that's only if one person gets sick. So imagine get right and then you know that's going to happen, right, somebody get exposed. So we was like, yo, we can't be out here paying for thirty hotel you know, nights and doing so.

It just didn't make sense. So we just shrunk the show down. We limited our exposure down to like seventeen days on the road instead of forty, right, so if anyone gets sick by the time, you know, we find out, hopefully they can be home to quarantine. But everyone's good so far. Damn. It's weird, man, it's a weird time.

Even the tour too. So that was gonna say, like I know, like you know, the homies Chris Webby and Dizzy and Futuristic had of tour that they just canceled because of all the shit that was going and they didn't want to deal with the mandates. Chris was like, Yo, I'm not gonna make nobody. Who's my fan? Get mandyvac see what I'm saying. So it's weird. Are you vaccinated? I am? Yep. Yeah, you and me both, we're both jabbed up. Yeah, I got the h I got ma

and me too. Pfizer poppies in the building. Yeah, my dog got the Johnson and john And how's he doing with your life? He's like, I'm barely vas know what I'm doing now. Yo. The Johnson and Johnson just sounded good because it was like, so it's just one and done, yeah, and then everyone and then you grow, you know, a third eye. So this is what it is. Yo. It's crazy though, because we were talking like how the mandate ship mat. I just feel like we're just living in

a very weird time. You were saying, how like some of your California shows that usually would sell out aren't selling how they usually would would because because a lot of your fans are not wanting to adhere to some of the local policies as far as vaccinations and et cetera. And a lot of people moved so like you know, I was saying I was hitting my community, and people, Yeah, they just like, Oh, I don't even live there no more, Bro,

I'm gone. So this is the strangest selling. But what's crazy is the rest of the tour has been selling fun in the Southern states in Florida and Texas all that. So it's like, I'm like, oh, I think it might just be Cali on lockdown still, but I don't know. Who knows. Man, It's just very strange, No, it is, man. I feel like like like I just every day some new shit happens and I'm like, are we fucking living

in a simulation? Yeah? Bro, the world has really changed, and they're firing nurses out here for not getting vaccinated and they were working during the pandemic. What the fuck is going on? Like a lot of nurses also not want to get vaxed. I'm like, there's so many there's just so many angles. It's like, what is happening? Yeah, Like why are the like? Yeah, it's just it's it's crazy, bro, I don't know, boy our boy Kyrie not gonna be

able to play in New York and what's psychotic? You know what's wild is I don't know if this is true, but I saw on Twitter someone had said that Michael Porter Junior is going to be able to play in New York and he's not getting vaccinated. So when he comes to New York, he's gonna be able to play, but they won't like Kyrie play, which would be kind of wild. Maybe because he's I don't know, maybe because New York pays him what, you know, he's in different states.

He's going to play different taxes for merch that I sell. That that might make sense because he's all his tax money's coming through New York. Maybe maybe the Kyrie shit is crazy though it is wild. Shout out MPJ. I did a little MPJ freestyle. He's gonna pop out and done right next week. Oh really Yeah, it's the homie man, Michael Porter Junior popping out at the show. Yeah, it's gonna pop out, und axed, unvaxxed at a show. Might have to you might be the reason why the Nuggets

have a breakout. He's not coming. He's not coming to the show. There's the kind of fire if you had him pull up though. Yeah. I mean he's on my fantasy basketball team, so okay, perfect. I hope oh you got him. Yeah. I think a lot of people let him slip because they were like, he's not vaxed. I'm like, fuck that. Oh yeah, okay, run me, MPJ baby and have a breakout your and could definitely hurt your fantasy if he gets if you go out for a week,

you know what. It's crazy about it. When I was talking with MPJ, we did like a I did a freestyle before the album came, MPJ freestyle. So he jumped on a live with me. He was talking a little bit and he said when he actually got COVID right before the bubble, and what happens is after you get COVID, it could take like months for you to get a negative test, right, So these antibodies hanging around exactly, just hanging.

So he was like, yo, I almost couldn't play in the bubble because even though I had it a month before, I couldn't produce a negative test. And so it just you kept up to get tested every single day until you finally get that green light. But that's I mean. I was gonna do some overseas travel this year and I got COVID and I couldn't reproduce a negative test, and so we were just like, I can't go to Italy and then be stuck over there? Are you Italian? Yeah? Yeah, OK,

So I'm like I can't go over there? Are you talking? No? No, No, I'm just a lot of Caucasidy, German and Irish Russian, just the kids of Heinzweise. He's got blue eyes. It's one of this. Yeah, that's what it is. No? What what? What was? You're just a fan of Michael Porter Jr.

Like how did it? Like? Like, yeah, he came out to a few of the shows a couple of years ago as he was getting ready to go to the league, and we would just kick it when being Denver and then I had a line in this just like freestyle. I was writing. I was like, there's a lot of merried men in the NBA. GOT showed these in Cities on n DA's love keep your Hand on MPJ dyn keep his pants on n Behave. I was just like, I like that. It's like, oh, I should just call

u MPJ freestyle. So I did, and then he just happened to be the homie. So it's like, Yo, I named the song after you, and he's like, you know, promoted it, jumped on IG Live. But yeah, it kind of just happened that way. You're obviously a big basketball guy, are you. Are you a Knicks fan or what's your team? So this is strange. I'm actually none of them. None of my teams are from New York, even though I'm from New York. Right, I'm a Utah Jazz fan. Are

you Mormon? Yes? One hundred Mormon? Uh to me in my seventeen wives, No, shout out to the Mormons out there, choose the right. Yeah, nah, I just I grew up Stockton Malone. That's an interesting uh horn of sack. You know what? Always it was be a kid growing up the same time we grew up in to be like, you know what, HORNI sacks stocked in? Those are my guys, you know, yeah, yeah, you got Jordan dunkan Off, yeah right right, right right, yeah, you know what it was.

It was just like one I like their jerseys, the Utah Jazz, Like the jerseys were fired and they have music notes on all and then it was just like seeing these unassuming high shorts, white dude balling out. I was just like, Wow, I have a chance. Yeah, I have a chance. Maybe I can make the league. So seeing stocked in it was always so funny. I'll hear these stories about John Stockton. It would just make me

crack up. So like Gary Payton would try to like get in Stockton's head right and he's like, uh, He's like I banged your mom last night on the court and stocked him and just be like she's a great lady. Just run up there, yo, Like just wouldn't let people into Psyche's a great leg. And he's like, oh, I'm gonna shove a banana up here, and he's like tons of protein and tons of potassium and just run up the cart. I'm like, Yo, this dude is just And

then he would walk around for the uh uh. The Olympics, and no one would bother him. I'm just like an unassuming no. He always would have a little collared shirt on. Yeah, just balling out. I just always thought that was so funny. So, so you're a Jazz fan, that's like your number one team. Yeah. I mean, but I'm gonna keep it a buck. I don't follow that, are you okay? You know what I'm saying. It's just like I'll catch a game here and there, but it's kind of that's my childhood team, and and

so I stick with them. It's like Green Bay Packers on my football team. But I had to do with like Farve the Lambeau leap, cheese on your head. It was like I was watching the game with my sister when I was a kid, and they did the Lambo leap. I was like, why they why they jumping in the crowd. She's like, that's what they do at Lambo. I was like, it's like a stage dive right right. I was like, why they got cheese on their heads? Like they produced a lot of I was like, that's it. That's my man.

He's gonna have a square on you. Like, that's so crazy to me. So Hey, shout out to the packers and uh and to uh the the jazz of Utah. That's it. Yeah, shout out them like yeah pirates how like their logo? So weird kid? How was uh you do you go to Utah on tour? No? We got an off day coming up on our way to Denver, stop in, stop in the Salt Lake save what's up to some of the the Mormon homies, absolutely Mormon homies and their six wives. Uh. Yeah, we're gonna try to

get an off day. I mean, they're all gonna get their own planets, by the way too, when they die. Is that in the contract I grew I grew up in Mesa, Arizona, which is the second largest Mormon population in the world. So yeah, it's pretty wild. Yeah. Where do you land on religion stuff these days? I'm an

atheist atheist? Yeah, you're like, Okay, I just want to ask you because I hear people call you a Christian rapper, and I listen to your music and obviously there's like like stuff in there that's like godly right like lines. But it's not like I don't look at you that way.

I just look at you as like a rapper who happens to be a Christian as opposed to be in like a because you know, when I grew up, man Christian rappers corny as fuck, and I feel like La Craze was like the first guy to come along to

be like, oh no, he's just dope. But he also, you know, is obviously like how do you do you consider yourself like quote unquote Christian rapper or is that something that you embrace well for It's an interesting commo because for years I've just tried to like just be like, yo, can I just be a rapper and be a part of the community, because I always felt like in some way in hip hop, to be called something before your title, like a female rapper, a gay whatever, a Christian so

you know, gender orientation or religion, anything those that preceded title, it always feels like it marginalizes, like right away people already have yeah, so it's like, oh, that's a female rapper, right,

you know, it's all those things. So I tried to just be like, man, I feel like I'm just a part of hip hop, but I am a Christian, So I would never deny being a Christian, right, just be like that title it's a weird It's a weird conversation because people be like, oh, yeah, we'll play you on Sunday. Then you know, on the radio, you're like, what I take. I took a meeting one time. One of my albums, the first Neverland, it was like doing really well on

the charts. I took a meeting at this is fifty and fifty cent was there and so I walked by him. I was like, yo, what's up? Man? He was like lifting weights and he was like, you know, didn't give me no time. He was like yeah, yeah, what up? And then his man was like, yo, he got the number one album on iTunes right now. And then he was like, oh, word, coming to my office right. So I ended up hanging out with fifty for like two hours. Random. I'm like, I looked at my manager. I was like, yo,

I'm gonna go in the office. Yeah, And I went in and he just started asking me questions because you know at that time, like he's just a smart dude. He wants to learn. So he's like, you had a number one album, like what's going on? Starts asking me all these questions. I start telling them about this. I'm like, yo, When I first started, like, you know, ten years plus

years ago, I had some very explicitly Christian bars. I was juiced up about my relationship with Jesus, you know, so I think that's where that initial thing comes from, you know what I'm saying. And a lot of my core fans share those same ideals, right, so you get that. But over the years, just my sound, my view, the

way I approach things has evolved. And so anyways, when I was talking with him, he was like, yeah, bro, people are going to try to if you continue basically like, if people continue to see you that way and just not a part of hip hop, they're going to try to marginalize you to the Gospel Hour on Sunday or something, you know what I'm saying. And I was like, oh man,

that was never my intention. But at the end of the day, I've just let go of trying to control that narrative to a degree because it's like, you're just gonna do you and like people feel how they feel. That's it. Man, at the end of the day, you can't really control it. And it's also it's like when you tell people, hey, man, I don't really call myself that, then that becomes the headline of the interview, and it

just it's a circle, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, whatever y'all want to call it, is the music dope. I was like, like, I think, like, you know, if you think of Kanye when he first came out, like you know, outside of his mixtape shit, but you know, if we think of Jesus walks like yeah, Jesus. Like, people didn't look at Kanye as like a Christian rapper. They just looked at him as like, oh shit, this is a rapper that's did a song about Jesus. This

is different. And it was hard because I think up until that song, any songs about God and like hip hop were always like I remember, you know, I grew up around a bunch of hardcore Christians that used to have Channel twenty one on in Phoenix, which was like the Christian channel, and it would be the wackiest fucking music. Really, Oh my gosh. There was some guy named damn it. What was the guy's name, Carmen, I don't know. There was this dude I got that's like, do you know

what I'm talking about? You know what I'm talking about? I do? And then Kirk Franklin obviously was like, you know who kind of crossed over a bit. You know, he did gospel and then he had some he put some rap stuff in there. Yeah, Like what's it? I was going to ask you, like for you, like do you what you collabor like, like do you kind of watch who you collaborate with if they don't kind of

align with like where you are? Well? Yeah, I think like as just a as a man with principles, like I want to create the way I want to create art is I have some brand filters for myself. I always want to make things that I think are incredibly dope, artistically excellent, but I also want things that are wholesome, you know what I'm saying. So, like, you don't cuss in your music, right? Nah? I don't. I saw music as like a dividing something that like divided me and

my my family. And at a certain point time, you know, I get in the car on my cannabis, cit'd be broken in half for you know what I'm saying. So my mom just was like, nah, you can't play it. She just didn't, you know, when you're fourteen fifty appreciate it retarded. Yeah, she didn't she did. But now it's a great song by the way it is. It's it's not PC anymore, right, and word nometry yes and second round ko. So yeah, but now it's it's cool to see the music that I make is able to bring

people together. I'll see, like at a show, a guy will be there and he'll bring his son. He's like, this is my twelve year old son. It's his first concert ever and we get to come and do this together. You know, that's crazy. So yeah, when I go to do collaborations like I've done, you know, I've had collaborations with people from all different walks of life and world views. But we just try to make sure that when we create something, we create something that your fan be aligned with.

You know what I'm saying, Like, there's middle ground, there's there's stuff we can create. So Fonte just jumped on the record and we did something that was great. So yeah, little brother man one of the greatest. I just had a conversation with Looke from Dreamville about because his manager's big pooh, oh my gosh, they moved. Yeah, So he's got a little brother on this album, the Dreamville album that just came out, Gold Mouth and I was like, he's from North Carolina. I was like, you realize how

big of a deal that is? M He's like, bro, Honestly, I didn't really even fucking know about a Little Brother until like six years ago, and then I started working with Pooh. You know, he really hadn't like tapped into the music, but little Brother. Yeah, Fante, how'd you link up with Fante? I just hit him on Twitter? You're just a fan? Right? Yeah. I was just working on this last project and I was like, oh, Fante would

sound crazy on this. Actually, Dell, my manager, was like I think he'd I was like, oh yeah, just shoot my shot. Most of a lot of the connections of relations have you've just been that and then you find out somehow that they're a fan of you. Listen, like me and John Bellian connected off of Twitter just years ago. Yo, man, I love your stuff. Yo, I love you know, I love your stuff. Let's link up, start playing basketball and

now you know. So it's just yeah, you never know who's really listening or you know who's and at the moment you're you're independent, right No. So I just finished my deal with Reach Records, and basically it's just like we got to renegotiate terms, but at the moment, you're like a free agent. At technically technically, I mean, the album came out like two weeks ago, so I haven't you know, and then I went straight on tour, so I haven't even sat down to sort through any of

that yet. But I guess technically you could say that the figure everything out. Yeah. Yo, It's crazy because when you have a record like coming in Hot, which is like, how long after the song came out, did it like really start to pick up on like TikTok, Because I feel like it wasn't right away right right well amongst our my core fan base, like it did really well, and then it was twenty eighteen, I did it to go on tour? Me and the Craig went on tour.

Did it went on tour? It did great, and then it died off for a second, and then Steph Curry started using it and then it got used in like a under Armor commercial or something like that. Then they went to the finals. Then the finals used it, so then they had another pickup, then it died down. Then Will Smith used it to announce that he was on TikTok, and then it has the moment. So it just has all these waves of like so far influencers and then

Kim Kardashian post with it. Then it has another uptick. And that's the thing. We live in an era of land mines, not rocket ships, you know what I'm saying. So it's like a record could be sitting around and someone stumbles on it uses it. Oh, it's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah.

You know songs from like twenty fourteen going crazy. You're like, yeah, I was thinking like that, the wiz and tid ole of side song something New was like what was that like twenty seventeen, and then like twenty twenty went razy, just went crazy like it's it's it's wild. Yeah, and you got a plaque off that record, right, Yeah, we just got another goal. It's type man. I mean for being it's an independent label and no radio play, to be able to have a couple of plaques, you know

from what we do, it's a huge, man. It's dope. Man. It's really shout out to the fans who support us, like they come out for real. You know. No, that's a I think I know how hard it is to get a fucking plaque. Yeah, yeah, especially on an independent label. You know what I'm saying. You know, we don't. We don't. Yeah, like we've never ever played radio ever. Yeah, I was gonna ask, did you guys ever consider like bringing on

someone to help you work that record to radio. Well, so at the at the time La Craye up did like an up deal with Columbia, So he did the records with t remember radio with that, So at the time he was with them, And uh, I think that was something that was in consideration, is like up cycling through them so that they could run it. But basically, from what I understand is like nobody wants to put their neck on the line at the label for a record because if it doesn't work, then it basically cost

them their job. So I just don't think there was enough people that believed in it to push the boos, cause I think it like I think that record could have, Like I think of that astronom The Ocean Song was like top ten of radio and it was just not as tight as yourself. It was like a very novelty, novelty like TikTok record. Yeah, but I'm crazy, yeah crazy, and yeah absolutely, but what's dope about what you're doing?

Is like you got you had one of those, but like you have you could tour, you have like for sure built in like real following, right because we've been at it, you know before that record and so and I've had plaques before that. So it's like, you know, we we've proven that we do this. You know what I'm saying, Hey, what up? Man? We got to interrupt the interview real quick to tell you about our family

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Everything's super high. So we've been in New York City for the last thirteen years. I grew up in Syracuse, upstate New York. Then I went to New York City and then we just right before the pandemic, we moved down to Atlanta. The label was down there, cost of lit living was quality of life, everything you know, it was just like, I'm out. I couldn't do another New York Winner. Bro. I was just my my triple fat

goose had seen enough. Yeah. So I we went down there and we bought our first property, and then we just the agent. We connected Jay Rich. He just like he knows all of Atlanta and he ends up being a friend and a and all that. So he's just been kind of steering us and we started investing in this neighborhood that's just going crazy. And so we just this past week we picked up our fourth property. Wow.

Two years I was on we were on tour and I had to like stop off at a notary and sign and uh, it's funny, man, because like that same day, I had a friend pop out. He's from Syracuse, he lived in Orland. We popped out ox and he was like, yo, when you're gonna when you're gonna pop out with something, He was like, when you gonna post all out, like let your nuts say, you know, say like get a chain, get a car. I was like, get over the property. I'm buying real estate. He was like, oh, you know,

it's funny. I was like, dang, I really don't I really don't be pulling out the flex. We just kind of investing in what the future looks like for us, because in my mind, you know, this game of music is very similar to sports. It's like you can have like a little window where you can go crazy, and then after that people are like, what's new, What's next. So it's dope that I've been able to continue to do what I do and and have a fan base

and stuff still keeps growing. But I just kind of want to plan for if I ever want to not have to go on tour or you know what I'm saying, say yes to shows I don't want to know. I mean, look, there's artists out whose lifeline is literally touring, you know, like like it's it's it's without the live shows, Like that's that's what they depend on the pay their bills, right, some wrap to pay the bill. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to be in that position. And I want

to have kids eventually, you know what I'm saying. Me and my wife and we like, man, I still want to be running around like this, you know what I'm saying. I think like there's like independent rappers without saying names, but like their tour all year long, every year it's a tour and it's like they're dope, incredible artists, but it's like fuck, like yeah, fifty five dates every year, like half your life is on the road, right, That's right.

It's like I couldn't imagine doing that too. Yeah. Yeah, it just depends on what you value, you know what I'm saying. So like, for me, time is the biggest thing. So if I can invest in real estate, our game plan is to basically have enough properties that generate passive income for us that anything music related is just And so it's like the lifestyles paid for. We got time back.

We can do what we want. And you know, I think that's going to be the next phase is you're just you're just like having like a tenants or you're doing the airbnb thing or yeah. So we did airbnb for a little bit, and then the pandemic hit, so that it was like, I know, I was at old body, I was at an Airbnb in Atlanta for sure, for like a week really Yeah, in January, it was cool

as shit. Yeah, we had we had to be running and it's started to pick up, was going great, and then the pandemic hit and nobody was traveling, so then we had to turn it into long form rental or whatever. And so that's been the game plan. Man, just like rentals right now because the mortgage is paid, the cash flows, you know, So that's for those watching. Cash flow is anything over what you what your cost is, what your cost is, and so the goal for us is just

have that. And right now the interest rate is killer, right, so very very good interest rates. So it helps with your cash flow because your payments going to be less. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, man, we just invest in many. I was gonna say, any advice you'ld give for someone who's watching this that wants to get into the real estate shit, because I do feel like it's like a weird time where the properties cost more than ever, but the interest rates are lower than ever. So it's like it's like a do I

get it? Now? Do I wait? Man? I could talk about real estate stuff forever, but basically I would start with reading books. There's this a platform called Bigger Pockets. My wife loves it. She goes on there. Basically anything you can think of, like any topic. They've tackled it, they've done books on it, they've done podcasts all that. Uh, that's a great start for me. I just started with rich Dad, Poor Dad, which was like, yeah, I love

I read that shit in high school. Yeah, it was just a change in my mindset and help me understand what the difference between assets and liabilities were. Right, Like cars, even though they're dope, they're depreciating. Liabilities they cost your money everybody where assets are things that grow in value. So I make a song, I put it out right, it's while I'm sleeping. It's generating money while I'm sleeping. My car is costing me money, right, because it's going

down to that. So trying to figure out how to develop more assets, which is one of the reasons we moved, start buying property, start investing in things that will grow. So that was like a starter kit for my mentality. Then it was you know, other books, and so I would say start there too. For real estate stuff, it's like this. My wife has a really good example. She says, if you want to buy property, there's basically a scale of comfort and cost. So if the more willing you

are to be uncomfortable, the better the price. Right, So that's the sliding scale, and so you're like, oh, I want to get a really well priced, you know property. It's like, all right, you might be in the hood for three years, you know what I'm saying. Or you're like, no, I want to live in the best eyes. It's going to cost you small spot that's right, or a small spot or whatever it is. So you have to weigh

that out. And for me and my wife it was like, yo, we down, we down to thug it out for a couple of years and really just like put our head down and buy property and you know, not you know, not ball out, you know what I'm saying. So we

did that and it's been incredible for us. So that sliding scale I help you determine what you want to do too, is like if you can, if you know how to rehab or like fix these joints up, or you have people, you know, contractors, that's really the end is you got to buy a crappy property and fix it, fix it up, and that's how you get good prices, and that's how you add value fire, you know, and you gotta be ready to go. It's like when deals

come across the table, how's your guys's credit scores? Fire? It's perfect, perfect, crazy. I got like over eight hundred or something like. Was that something that's been consistent for you or did you like have to handle some shit to get it up to that? Bro? You know what, I'm I'm weird, but I've just been good with money, like since I was young. So when I was in my twenties, I was I was doing these shows, i was selling merch online doing I'm just kind of entrepreneurial.

And I had like, I take the money I make. I pull up these spreadsheets on Google and I just be like, all right, this money I'm gonna give here, this is for saving. I even created a marriage account when I was single. It's crazy. I'd take a little slice of every check and I just like put some in there. Couldn't have to get married one because I was like, one day, I want to get married and I don't want to wait to hear live or a

ring or whatever. And I was just like, yo, I don't want to be I don't want to be out here like oh now that I'm ready to go. So you're a single man just budgeting shit out on Google spreadsheets. Crazy. I don't even know where this came from. Bro. I just was responsible young man. So by the time I met the girl. I was ready to get married. I was like, Oh, I got twenty grand saved so I can go get this ring or whatever I need to do.

I was just ready to go. You're a fucking special guy. Man. Weird. Yeah, very strange, but you know it served me well, no,

for sure. Why do you think it is like that what you're doing and the success you've had somehow flies under the radar in hip hop because I think of like people like Russ or even like a guy like Tech nine who's had a lot of independent success to like like at one point in time has gotten a lot of acknowledgment by like the Gaatekeepers, the hip whatever the fuck right, the cur Raiders or whatever you want

to call them, teastmakers. Somehow you're still kind of flying under the radar a bit as far as like the amount of success you've had, the touring you're able to do, the RIAA certifications you have, right, Like, do you feel like you're kind of like what do you what do you attribute to that? Yeah? Well, you know, and my mentality is like the first thing I'm gonna start with is it's me right, Like I'm gonna take responsibility because I don't like the I could blame it on other people.

I want to be like, all right, maybe I just haven't made the records, you know what I'm saying, or made the hits. Like so I need to keep my my my pen sharp, my craft tight, and keep like my foot on the gas. But I feel like it's not a matter of skill. It's a matter of like maybe I just have been unrecognized, you know what I'm saying, and like my time will either come or I just have gone on recognized. But it doesn't mean that the talent isn't well and also doesn't mean you ain't making

a lot of money. Sure, sure, so you know there's that. But I you know, sometimes I wonder I ask myself these things. I was like, oh, do you know, is it a co sign thing? Like do you need just somebody crazy be like that's the one. Or do you need just more records? You know? Do you need different infrastructure? I don't know. Those are all the things that That's why they call it the game, right like it is a game. You gotta figure out how to do this.

I think right now, attention is kind of a currency, and I don't think I'm very good for TV because you know, I like, I don't start beef with nobody yet. You know, I don't be out here talking crazy. I'm just like making good music. But we're trying to figure out, you know, how to move next, like to make sure that we get the recognition I think the music deserves. But I don't know, what do you think? I don't know, man,

I think that. I mean, I do think that the Christian rapper shit has probably something to do with it, just that being like that's yeah, that's the things people lead with. And then they're like, that ain't from me, like shout out to our good friend Amelia Rojas, Like when he text me about you, he's like, well he sent me a voice note. So I hate those people, by the way, and they like it's going to take up my whole phone for second loth yo cav yo Yo,

he's a Christian. I'm like, I know who he is. Bro. That's that DMD you earlier this year. I don't know if you saw it. Really yeah, I hit you like when you come into LA. I think I hit you in like February this year. Check a DMS but who knew? All right? Okay, but anyway, but no I think that for whatever reason, like that is like a weird like like you said, man, anytime you have that like thing before rapper, yeah right, it's like it's just people already

have their mind made up. Yeah. And for whatever reason, I also think like, well, if you don't want to give it a chance, like if someone told me right now and like this is just an example, like yo, check out this Muslim rapper, right, I'd be like, oh word, I'll get to it, you know, Like it wouldn't be I wouldn't be like jumping on it if somebody like, Yo, this kid's dope, check them out, because I think, like,

and nothing against Muslims at all. It's just like, oh, I'm that's not the first thing I'm gonna connect with, right right, And I think that's kind of the same thing, right, But there's mad Muslim rappers right over like everybody, so you like, if you didn't lead with that, maybe it

would have. Yeah. I think that. I think that that's something because like I also think too, like just the whole for whatever reason, I don't know, man, you know, do you feel like being a Christian has become Like when I grew up, I felt like being religious and being godly was like in does that make sense? Like it was, like what made you think that? Maybe because it's who I grew up around. I grew up around. You know, my best friend Rams is like his whole

family was like a hardcore Christian. So like maybe like in my head, like that was like more widely accepted as to where I feel like today, like being like super religious people like and I'm saying I feel this way, but I just mean in general, like I don't think it's like commercially as accepted as it used to be. Do you do you feel like that's the case. I

don't know. I almost feel like the opposite. I don't know, like because when I look at I don't know when I look at artists right now, like so many of them are blatantly and openly Christian. So Kanye justin Bieber, you know what I'm saying, Like you hear, I mean DMX even growing up was always like doing but he was saying the prayers right, he was doing. Man, he was talking about fucking the dead body as well. Yeah, yeah, I'm the same album. I'm the same album Blood on

his dick because he sucked the course. I'm a nasty, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, I don't know, man, I feel like it's it's almost it's almost more widely accepted in my mind through music chants, you know what I'm saying, Like, all these artists like to be open. So but in my head, I'm like, Okay, well, Kanye does Jesus King and it's probably his least successful album ever. Yeah. By the way, what'd you think of that Jesus King? Yeah? So when I first heard it, I was like, ah,

it's cool. And then I went and I I played it and I started talking everybody around breakfast. I was like, yeah, but this part was dope. The production is an amazing part was dope. But the opening vocals on this and

then I was like, wait, no, this project's dope. Right. So, once I started breaking down all the things I liked about, I was like, you know what, at the end of the day, I'm just a Kanye stand me too, have everything he knows, and no matter what, it's always going to be a little left of center, he's gonna do something different. He's gonna push the envelopes and do cool production. And I'm like, I'm a fan, so I'm just here. Kanye is my favorite artist ever. Now it's my favorite rapper.

But Kanye to me, yeah, that makes sense, best discography ever, that makes sense. But always always he always whenever direction you're going, he jerks the wheel and sends you on a ride. What's your favorite Kanye album, oh Man, Probably probably Dark Twisted Fantasy. I mean that's the that's the one's just like, I think that's the best album. I think my favorite probably Late Registration. But his best album is Stark Twis the Fantasy. Yeah. I like Graduation a

lot too. You know, I'm not as high on Graduation as everyone else. And I like the weird, like the ones off there that people sleep. I like Barry Bonds. I also like uh, I don't like Breathe. That's his worst song. But you know what, he don't have many of those, like Drunken Hot Girls and like RoboCop, the only like joints in his discography that I'm like, I could do without those. That's it. Everything else, I'm like,

these are good songs. I agree, even like now there was something on Ya that I did not like, But I think ghost Town is one of the best Kanye songs ever. So decried the ghost Town. Just the fact that ghost Town's on ye puts it. Hey, Kitsey Ghost to me might be a top five Kanye project ever. Really, Kitsy Ghost is so fucking perfect to me. I take Kitsy Ghost or Wash the Throne every day of the week, no questions. Sorry, I will take Kittsy Ghosts over Watch

the Throne one thousand percent. You're sick. I'm not a chance, bro, I'm not doing that. I'm not gonna let that slide man personally. For me, I just think I think Watching the Throne had some some low points. I was not a fan of of of the first record. Was it lift Off? Oh? With wasn't crazy about that? Bro, We this ain't live right. I can take a piss, Yeah, go take a piss, Go take get your piss on, buddy. All right, we're back like ten minutes, he was saying.

Before that. We know we were just talking about how Watch the Throne is an inferior album to kids. He ghost, You're psychotic? Just no church in the wild alone. Oh no, it's amazing. Yeah. Did you go to the Wash the Throne Tour? No? I went to What I Do Jesus Jesus Tour? Is crazy with the Mountain the Mountain. Yeah, so I did that. I saw Life of Pablo. That's the only Kanye tour I didn't go to because he ended up canceling the date I was supposed to go.

I was gonna fly to Denver to see him, but he had that meltdown and then cancel the rest of the tour. I was like looking forward to, like standing under Man. It was, you know, so dope about that Kanye show was He's He's part of the show. But then watching everyone else underneath them dancing and going crazy, that's like part of the show too. So it's an inception performance because you don't know what to watch. Like

the people watching him is part of it. So, yeah, you this new video you you sent me the link for I watched it yesterday. First of all, great idea. Thanks recreating all the hippo classic hip hop covers. Yeah, you caught all of them. I caught every single one single. See a Public Enemy, ren DMC, Capital Punishment, DMX fifty all Eyes on Me, Kanye, there's some others on this Wayne. Yeah. Cardiff. Cardiff was a mad villainy. Yeah, that's you know what

I wanted to do. I wanted to set that up in a way so like you know, you could do like a you get like the timeframe of when it pops up to guess what it is and see what people score. No, it was amazing, Ye I got it. I was one thousand percent for sure, but incredible video. Your visuals in general are always very very on point, Like is that you is that your directors? Yeah, it's me Dell Dell just Moustafa, He's part of my creative team. And then I just got a handful of people that

we use, so shout out Dust Brand Films. He did that video. He's a hip hop head, so he was like the perfect dude do it. But yeah, you know, it's like I don't have just like one person I create all my videos with. It's kind of like, you know, we pulling it together depending on whose that video's crazy man. And it was like flawlessly executed, thank you. All those were done in camera, so there was very little post effects, so every time it would pan into something, it'd be

a physical set that was built. Wow. So you know, like even on Mad Villainy, like that's the real mass and behind you know, there's that little square in the corner that's red. That was just posit, like a red piece of square posted up in the back to make it look like so to pull off the eminem show ship, like,

do you have to find a red curtain somewhere? Yeah, So we went to like a middle school and they let us use their auditorium and then there was a red curtain and we had to use their spotlight and line everything up and then put little gold leafing across the bottom of the curtain to make it look like that cover. So then you know, hour it was like an hour of just like slide back and then go to the level, you know, and we were trying to make them as exact as possible. Uh, your album just

came out. Uh the tours is it's almost over right. Yeah, we got like four more dates so it's we got the Fonda tonight, we got uh San Francisco, then we got Denver. So that's it. That is. I feel like Denver's everyone's best concert market for some reason. I don't know what it is about Denver. Denver motherfuckers love to go to concerts in Denver. I don't know what. There's people who sell out the Red Rocks that won't do a thousand tickets in LA, that's right, But they sell

out the fucking Red Rocks. Bro I sell out Denver every time I play there, just fanatics there. I always say Denver's like probably the best concert like as far as like people going to spending money on live shows. Yes, every artist I've ever talked to the like Yo, Denver, Denver, Denver, Denver. I think Denver might be the highest sollid show on this whole tour. Killing Yeah, Denver's a movie shot out Denver. I can't breathe when I'm there. But are you a smoker? Nah?

No smoking? Now I get anxiety. I like panic attacks just is bad you've partaken any psychedelics or anything, or you're just pretty straight at man, you know what it is. I just like my life, that's fair. I just like I'm just being sober. Is so dope to me that I'm like, it's like shit's going great for me. You know, just things are dope. I don't ever feel the need to be like, you know what, I really want to get in coherent right now, like nothing. You know, I

go to therapy too. I'd be dealing with my demons and I think some of that is me that like, yo, I just want to drink water and go for a job. That's what I'm saying. I'm no good for TV, bro. I just be I. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, I want to I want to work out and eat healthy. You know what I'm saying, Like what's your dial? Like it's pretty you know, we try to we out here trying to live right, trying to live righteous. But you know, from time to time we do partake in the fried chicken.

What are you gonna do? You got roscos? I mean you're a Italian, right, so like Italian food is amazing. Yeah, it's also probably the worst food for you, because it's just that's the thing that pasta. I'm a foodie. Basically, the way that I calculate my day is like, all right, if I go work out, then I can have this nonsense at night, you know what I'm saying. So I basically I just be trying to budget. You're just kind of like, yo, if I can just have a wash

every day, that's it. If I will just break even, that's it. So you know, we're just trying to eat wherever there's real good food. And I'm not picky. I'll try I'll try something, you know what I'm saying, something new. You ever had rattlesneak? I haven't. I haven't had, but I would try it. Yeah, in Arizona, that's like normal. I mean it's it's not like you go to fucking every there's like rattlesnake Tuesdays. I just have that, but

I've had it. It's not bad. Rattlesnake's not bad. Alligators fire. I just had some gator in Florida. Gator bites, golder bites are fire. I had some kangaroo in Australia. Wow, not dope, not good. Don't do it. I wouldn't either. Yeah, I mean I did it just but it's not like kangaroos are too cute to eat. What's the joint out here? I got to hit in La. I don't even know, man, I'm not. Yeah, just be in and out and all the time. That's it. Nah. Dave's Hot Chicken is like

basic bit ship. Like there's a Dave's Hot Chicken up the street. Go get a hot chicken. Sandwich is fucking amazing, amazing, amazing. The main like place everyone goes to Nobu, No that's Portos in Burbank is the highest rated restaurant on Yelp, at least it was for really time. And then there's another place called The Morrison that is top ten rated burger in the country. Really, The Morrison. Portos is a bakery, pet pastries, desserts and Cuban food. It's like two minutes

from here. It's smacking like literally on my ig. Every city I pop into, I'm like, yo, I'm in your city. What's the food recommendations? And you know that's it. Man. We went to Japan last right before the pandemic did a Ramen tour. I mean, well, yeah, Romen's the best. We out here wilding for food there it is. Man, Well, listen, I appreciate you pulling up my brother. I appreciates you. Yes, Man's some Dave's hot after this, some Dave's hot.