#115 - Jae Millz

I'm good you talked about a lot. Nah, you know, just the whole when I when we was having a rap albums discussion and we were talking about like the j and the Kanye and the writing stuff. If we're gonna say Quentin Miller did this for so and so, then why people don't say this for this not I say it, Like I'm smart enough to know Kanye West doesn't right for jay Z. We're all smart enough to know that. But like, once the interview came out, I looked, I was like, oh shit, I said a lot of

shit in that interview. I put a lot of put a lot of respect on people names in that interview. But that wasn't the that wasn't the focal point. That's not that's not what we're gonna get. We're gonna you said basically, in metaphorical terms, you basically said this person rights for this person. So I had to kind of just eat that. I ain't jump in the comments and go back and forth. He I was like, I get it. No bite back from any of the young money stuff

you shared. Nah nah nah. I did feel like I did feel like Wayne had kind of like took a shot at me when he said, uh I could uh I could flip a J Mills to a fucking Meek Meal. When I first heard it, I was like, hold on, what that's about. But then I thought about it, I was like, nah, I know Wayne, that's not it's not that, it's not really I didn't hear this. I didn't hear that. Bar what was this one of his new verses? I

think it was on his latest Journey put out. But then I'm smart enough to know Wayne, and it's like, when I thought about it, it is like, even if that is what he said, I'm not mad at that, Like because when you met me at I was like a J Mils and you took me and took me to another level. M so even, and I'm gonna keep

it real even if Wayne was to dis me. I'm gonna keep it real just where I'm at in my life right now, and being like respectful on some ship like you gave me like a platform, you like kind of help rebrand me. I don't even think I would. I don't even think I would go back at him. That's how to respect for him. I just would be like, h you got that off. It was good light of blown up. Man. It's not like you hate me. It's not like you ain't got no love for me no more.

You know what I'm saying. So where I feed into it like that, I still speak to him. I just uh spoke to Mac though. They shot out to Mac Man shout the gutta gotta good. Wayne's birthday was Yeah, happy, happy, belated, happy, belated dawayne man. No another another lap around the sun. Always good to see somebody make it to another year.

So yeah, well there it is. Yeah. I was like, I was like, man, I wonder how this is gonna some of the stories you shared with some man you wanted us to remember when I hit you when you announced you was leaving the station, I was like, yo, bro, did I get you in any trouble with the interview? Like I had to hit him. I was like, yo, did I say anything that got you in trouble at the station? He was like, nah, I got some whole other shit in the works right now. I don't even

worry about it. I was like, all right, I'm just I'm back on the station. That let me go, except for I'm doing it in my termore. Man, congratulations on that, man, congratulations on that. Yeah. No, no, no, that was just you know, some corporate budget cut bullshit. You know that happens. It happens, man, in any business. It happens entertainment specifically radio specifically, everyone's you know, cutting budgets. How you feel about being back on on the station. I mean it's cool.

You know, I launched the show and then they picked it up as an affiliate. So it's dope to be able to be like, hey, well, like I am on the station, but I don't work for them. So I'm on every night, but I don't work for them. So the good parts about being on the station are there. Some of the cool relationships I still have I mean

I never lost any relationships at the station. Just now, I kind of the shit that I don't like to do or that I wouldn't like about dealing with, you know, having like all staff meetings and blogging and shit and like stuff I don't want to do. I don't have to do any of it. I just do me. So you kind of just got your own lane. You can just rock lily. Yeah, I'm on the shows all over the country. So I do one show every day and it runs in a bunch of markets all over the country.

So did you have that same leverage your last lap at the station now, Because when I the last time I worked at the station, you know, I moved from I was in Tampa and then I went Tampa to LA and a little pit stop in Phoenix. Nah, No, of course not. No. I mean, you know, they gave me a great opportunity and coming to LA changing my life,

you know what I'm saying. So yeah, but like I was already thinking, like when I was in the pandemic and I was able to like not have to go to the radio station every day and we were voicing our show from home because everything was shut down. It gave me so much flexibility to like get so much other money. And yeah, and and and congrats on the on the on the situation. Man, yeah, so you know it's just it was already something I wanted to do, so it worked out. Man, and doc Winner. Shout out

to doc docs a real one. AO is a real one. You know. They didn't let me go because they wanted too clearly they brought me back, so you know, shouted what was good with the with the with the artists you're working with? Man, Oh yeah, yeah, you know, we got a little label that we're we have ready set little label. I mean it's little right now, but we just put a record out that's doing well with T Pain feature as alexis feature in T Pain. So yeah, man, were working you want to you want to know some

funny ship. I'm gonna just let y'all know how good I am. Right, You see how I just went into journalists j mode real quick. I just like I just started interviewing him. He doesn't even realize that this whole interview I've been interviewing him. Just have some journalists stuff coming down the pipeline. Oh man. I just been in some media training since June and people have been telling me how to work this little media thing. So why'd

you get media training because of our interview? Definitely They're like, yo, definitely, I'm gonna tell you what happened. I went to Miami. I went to Miami right. I was out there for my boy birthday and I was kicking. I was actually out there for Bido birthday shot at the bad I was out there for his birthday and we pulled up on Norri. Anytime I'm in Miami, I always pull up on NORRII kick it with him, chop it up with him. Never really take pictures, post videos and shit like that.

Just kick it with them. Same thing I was saying with you, like I've known you for years and I never sent you a clean version of no records because my relationship ain't like he can you play this on the radio? Can the radio? And Noori was like, you know what happened at the boutlet, Kevin. It was a great interview. He said, you just didn't learn how to create your own clickbait yet. He said, when you learn how to create your own clickbait, you're gonna be a

beast with this shit. He said, you give them too much. You don't give them a chance to ask you nothing said, you know what, you're right. And then when I, you know, got this new situation, I had to learn how to like shut the fuck up because I'm working with other people and I'm in a writer's room and it's like, so I'm bringing ideas, but it's like four or five other people with ideas. So you got to learn how to get your shit off. Get your shit off quick,

shut the fuck up, and then kickback. So I would just wanted to interview you real quick. Wait, so what do you so? Can you talk about? Can you talk about anything yet? Yeah, it's it's just some media, some media shit, a new show. It's a upstart show. You know what I'm saying. I don't want to say that much, but it's an upstart show, some new shit, something that

never been done before. So it's not like I can't go to nobody know what I'm saying, Like if I really wanted to, I can't really talk to Norri and get no insight on it. Like if I wanted to hit Gilly, I couldn't hit. If I wanted to hit Joe Button, I couldn't If I wanted to hit you. So it's gonna be gonna be a podcast or TV shop. It's a show, you know what I'm saying. It's not a reality show. I'm not going on the reality show or nothing. It's like, are you hosting the White Rapper

shows Resurrection, I'm hosting, but I'm not. I'm not doing those ship like it's sign that never been done. It's some I'm signed. I'm excited to do. I'm excited for the people to see and I'm gonna let them announce it and you know, do the media thing with it. But I'm excited. It's some dope shit. Man, it's some dope shit. I'm excited to be able to do something that's not so I don't have to be like when

we was talking about the Nods ship. Nads don't really have to put out no music right now, you know what I'm saying. But the fact that he is, let you know, love his ship, yeah, I mean I love it. He's doing it for the money. Both King's diseases are. I actually think this one is much better than they both. They both dope. They both classic, man, and it just feel good in the way. In that way. I don't

know about a clap. I mean, that's that's simply they're both really fucking good in their own way and that way. I don't I don't want to get up here and start comparing this album to this album, because that's how you get in trouble, throwing that sea word around. I don't know. We'll see shout out to hit Boy, that's my brother man, shout out the hit Boy, Shout out to hit Boy him. Hit Boy and NAS got a real got a. Their dynamic is insane dynamic. It's great.

And the thing is is like hit Boy is a West Coast guy, but he'd be getting in that bag man on that on he's Yeah, he's a go. I think hit Boys like one of the grades of all time. His range is insane, the type of shit he could do, definitely, definitely. I got a new project I called Don't Call Now. I pulled up players some joints early before it came out. Yeah, let me know you was fucking with that. That that

made me feel why is that title important? I kind of started recording Don't Call Now, I'll probably say before the summer. Yeah, but I kind of got caught up on this new situation that I got right and then I was at that point where it's like, do you really even want to put this shit out right now? You want to just focus on closing this deal and right over here? And I did. I did that. I did everything that I had to do handling that all through the summer. So that's kind of why I was

just on some low shit handling that. But it's still something in me that's like, YO, put this, you know, write this, you gotta finish this song. And it's like, nah, you really don't really just chill and just get this bag right now. But it's something in me that's like yo. So then I had this moment where I'm like, damn, you figured it out, my niggas. You you you figured out what's work, what's gonna work for you right now?

And it's like, damn, you don't even got a manager, you don't even got an agent, you don't got a publicist, you don't got a PR person, you don't got none of that. So you went out and you closed this deal dolo. So can't nobody say but if it wasn't for me, NA, everybody who could say, if it wasn't for me, when it come to me, I done lost all that shit right, and I lost all that shit already, So anything that you could say, if it wasn't for me, God took that away from me. I had to get

all this shit back on my own. So don't call now. There's no reason for you to hit me up now because I don't need anything from you now. So if you fuck with me, cool, but you don't got to hit me and be like yo, yo bro. Now. It was wild times I needed that, yo bro. I ain't come out here and be like yo, my mental health was bad. I needed nah. You know, you got kids, got my fiance, I got my mom's, got my b But it was times where you feel like damn, ain't

nobody fucking with me? Like damn, what's the conversation when my name get born? It was times where I wondered that you know what I'm saying. There was times where it's niggas that you done did millions of verses for us because when you was on young money, you was on tour and way ain't probably ain't even want you still entertaining that PIF projects and shit like that, and

you still throwing niggas on your ship. You getting on Niggashit but then when your ball kind of slowed up on the field, like, yo, bro, can you can you up post this for me? And for a while you do it, and then you be like, hold on you you asking me to post some shit for you that you ain't asked me to get on, right, that's I can't even see myself doing that shit. So now it's like, nah,

I don't call now man. I figured this shit out, and I ain't really pressed to get on get on your mixtape or get on your album no more, and you shouldn't be pressed to get on mine, because it's blatantly clear that it's different. But fuck, maybe I'm just at that point in my career where it's different and it's not what it was with a lot of people. It's time for new relationships, it's time for new money.

I don't handle you like, I ain't really got no history like that with you, so I ain't about to pull up and wrap on your show. And it's like, nah, fuck with you, Like you gave me valuable information at a time where you don't have to. You could have just said, yo, come wrap on my ship and let me get some views up. It's like, now you know what I think you should do, but you know it would be dope. I think you should blah blah blah. Right, you know what I'm saying. And I value that ship.

So that's why I don't. I don't mind coming doing this type ship, this ship that I'm doing right here. I know my interviews a monumental. I know I could talk. I know I got wisdom, I know I got jewels, But now I'm at a point where I don't even want to come talk to y'all. Now a lot of y'all I don't. It's like we could have been did this. We could I could have been came and wrapped and I chopped it up, light up a blunt talk my ship. But y'all don't want that until they announce what they

gonna announced. So that's real. Don't call now, man, I'm I'm gonna start like even don't even congratulate me. It's it is. It already attached to like a major streaming platform, streaming platform, so like a Hulu and Netflix type specifically streaming platform platform, huge film at a nice lot fire rhythm and flow. Season two. I'm not a judge on anything, you know, but shout out, shout out to my team, Shout out to my partners. You know, I'm not going

to keep guessing. I'm pretty good at the guessing thing. And I tell you, I'll tell you off the camera. Okay, okay, camera, No that's big man. You know what we didn't talk about. So you're from Harlem definitely? Uh, what were your thoughts on the Locks dip Set versus. I know it's been a while now, but I'm just curious. You know, obviously Dipset being the biggest entity to ever represent that Harlem flag, you know, what were your thoughts on what happened there?

I think I think with the dip set Locks Versus. First of all, shout out to the Dipset, Shout out to the Locks. What they did with the verses was monumental because you never seen it like that. That shit looked like a concert, definitely. You had never seen people that close to the stage. You had never seen that many people on the stage. You had never seen that people around this sam or something. That shit was a It was a real event. And in Harlem fashion, you know,

they had to show up fashion be late. You know. The niggas from Yonkers was like, get your ass out here. And they made it a show and it was entertaining and I liked that, and I like the fact that even through watching it, I was like, damn cams, they pulling styles, pulling cam shoe and they took the bandanna and threw it on the floor and then l's and they was all in their face go uptown to Harlems, and I'm like, I love it. But at the end to see them be like, yo, we about to go

on tour. That did it. That did it for me. It's like, oh, this they did this for the city, they did this for the culture. But now that we got that out the way. The sequencing for the songs for dips that I think was we're gonna build up the momentum. We're gonna start out with this this, and then we're gonna get to this, and then we're gonna get to this. And I think the locks was like, nah, y'all forgot about this. Ain't nobody in the world you know how to the kiss. But they did the back

and forth, back to back. Then they're going in the freestyles, then they go I think that was I think to me, it was that was like the showmanship and the performance value of and even when you got going in over who shot you? We gotta stand up. I gotta stand up for Harlem. It was a few times where they was like hold on, they wrapping over. Look, this is real hip hop. We no vocals. It was a few of them songs they had the vocals. But Addie, Addie Kiss, Addie Kiss was in real form. I know that type

of vibe that he was on. That wasn't Jada drunk. That was a different type. No, Jada was fucking lasered in, but that was I'm getting It's the best, the best versus ever good thing. I think. I think it was the best app one ever. I think it it for me. Before that, it was the Gucci uh geezy one, but the Dipseid shit was way ahead. Look people, I'm sorry,

but I'm kind of in journalist j mode. So if it feels like this is an interview of an interview interview and it's just don't worry about it, because I have questions that I like to ask people because that's my that's my job now. So I like to ask questions and get opinions. What did you think about the jaw rule? Fat Joe Versus was speaking on verses I missed. I probably missed wonderful. I probably missed like the first ten minutes. I didn't see the whole thing, so I

don't know how it started. I thought that it seemed as if the second half, I thought Joe came out with a bunch of records that he thought were like bigger. They were big, maybe like on the rhythm radio chart, but they weren't like big like in the old shit like he did the That's what I think. I think for the most part, Johru controlled the battle, but I do think Joe eight up for it at the end. So I thought it was actually pretty close. I know,

everybody's like jaw War one. I was like, I don't know, it was kind of close, like it was the sequencing once again. It was Yeah, I think I think Fad Joe ended it great. I think, like if we're talking about like I think fad Joe won the fourth quarter for sure, I just think, like, I don't know, I just I'm not sure like what they thought was gonna happen, because Fat Joe has obviously got radio records, but he's also like a part of d I T C. He's you know what I mean? And and to go against

Joe rule. Joe Rover really don't have that kind of pedigree, so the kind of records that would have I would have liked to have seen Joe really tap into Like I don't think he did my lifestyle right, he did, see I missed that part. But this is the thing. You forget that jow was on Murder Green. You know what I'm saying. You forget that job even had This is the thing. It's only twenty records, So I missed joa rule doing holla holl. I didn't see that. I didn't see. I missed like a lot, to be honest.

But then once I started tuning in, I thought Fat Joe was leaning into the Jada shit a little bit too much. But it was cool. I mean, you know, it was probably my least favorite verses so far, and I love Fat Joe. I liked it. The versus thing is the Versus thing is a little it was. There was a point sometimes the matchups could be. There was a point in time where I was like, this is the worst versus battle ever. But then it started to get better. In the I tweeted that I said, this

is the worst versus battle ever. I was glad to see people be able to like remember like, oh ship, y'all had some ship now Jose legend, fifty came through, fifty fifty came through, and it's so it was much of like a like damn because jo was like even like him performing Clapback right, which was like one of the best Scotts Store beaches ever Scott's story. But what's crazy is when that song came out, even though it was hard, no one gave a fuck. That was that

was it was over. It was already over. So he put out even though clap Back that beat was crazy and I'm a Josh Finn, Yeah, but like he he performed flat back like it was a joint and everyone and I'm like, yo, this beat was crazy. This song was cool, but like no one gave a fuck when this song came out and the beat came on in there. You know. That's the thing about verses, It's like where's it house that where's the presence? Where is like? Because

I felt that way about Jez and Gucci. I was like, Jeezi got wait, but Gucci got a lot of records, but Jiezi Records was bigger. That's what I thought. The bigger. Yeah, I think record for Record, presidence, the presence of Gucci. I think Gucci just came out disrespectful as fuck. We've never seen that. Like, Gucci literally came out to me, I killed you man, Like, what the fuck is going on here? GEEZI record for Record, and I love Gucci,

And I know that in certain circles, most circles Gucci. No, it could be Gucci, but I think in the versus spectrum GIZI Washington. With that being said, it was close because of the disrespect. We've never seen that disrespect before. That was crazy. But Fat Joe Joe Rule, I'm a huge Fat Joe fan. I think he's one of the most slept on artists ever, like lyrically like, he's one

of my favorite artists. I just don't know. The first album I had was Jealous Ones Envy, Like, I just think some of those records he performed were cool, like that ass up, face down record with Dre, Like, I just don't think that record it was it was I don't know if it was versus worthy, and I understand the point he was trying to make. I still got red. Sometimes sometimes the platform is so big, it's like, how could I not how could I not bring my man out?

You know what I'm saying. It's not even him bringing dre out. I think he was trying to prove a point that he still has current records that have been coming out, but like some of those records might not be the best fit for the platform of versus in New York. How did you feel about how did you feel about Fat Joe performing Well, I don't know performing but playing the Pun record Twins. I don't think he played a punk record. He wasn't on I don't. I

didn't see that part that had to be early. Did he play because I I'm like, though, there's no way he doesn't perform Twins. No, he did Twins and shot him come out and do Pun's part. The thing about Like Joe is like if it's I just I don't know, man, I don't know if him. I guess when you see it, Fat Joe verstar Wo makes sense, But I didn't think

it made a lot of sense. I think Fat Joe's more like got a lot more like that real rap ship that I'd like to you know, if he would if he would have went up against Jadakiss, that would have made sense, but Jada would have won, but it would have made more sense to me because I'm gonna look into the camera and I'm gonna say this, right, who did Jada battle? This is a fast essay from j Mills. Jada Kiss can not being versus anymore. There's no I don't. I don't think any sort of way

that he's involved in versus. Remember how like on one O six in Park they had to like retire bow Wow Ship. It was like like, come on yo, this is this is this doesn't even make sense. Yeah, mister Park that I mean, Jadakiss is mister versus. So listen. Ever, and then I knew a lot of people who thought Fab was gonna be and I'm like, Y're crazy and

shout out the Fab is one thing I seen. They had a twentieth anniversary for Fab first autum like Fab September eleventh, as as a New Yorker and A and A and a dude who was like heavy in the mixtape eraor at that time and used to buy the j Arms instrumental freestyle you know, instrumental mixtapes and write

my freestyle to him. Fab was like Fab was like God to people from that era, stacking the punchlines on the punchlines and not waiting for the eighth ball or the fourth body, and I'm coming in on the first ball. I mean yeah, I hope all the soul tapes end up on the DSPs. Soul Tapes of Classics, man, Yeah, sold tapes of classics and Fab? What's the other one? Uh, Fab's best ship? Unfortunately it's nothing something the one with Junior read that song with Junior read gangsters don't play

and they have to joint with uh t pain? That album was crazy, that that album was insane. But I think Fab's best ship isn't on the DSPs unfortunately, Like the Soule tape, don't think it's his best I think that's his like you know, and what what's the two tapes he just put out? Uh? The first one I loved fuck with the like vintage eighties nineties looking artwork. The last two make like the last two projects he

put out. They were both he just puts out a lot of mixtape ship And I'm like, bro, I think Fab would thrive as an independent artist. Is Fab fab still on depth? Jam? I sure think so? Probably shout out to death Jam No idea what they do for their artists anymore. No fucking clue, Like, oh, you're on death Jam, what's that even mean anymore? Sh Uh, Fredo Bang just asked to get off of death Jam. Shout out to Freddo Bank. Who do you think if you had to pair little Wayne against someone in the verses?

Who would? And he Birdman said wat himself. I kind of feel I feel like there's certain people that's just like, no, no, those certain people got to battle each other. I feel like Wayne is in that boat. I feel like Wayne is.

I think it's Drake. I saw something today, right, saw a tweet and it said like a happy Birthday Wayne tweet, and it says some shit like Wayne been rapping for twenty five years, he put out x amount of albums, twelve albums or something like that, said he gave us Nikki, he gave us Drake, he gave us young money, and he's still in his thirties. Salute my nigga, Wayne Man. You think about nah Man Be and Wayne in the

same age, same age. So when I see some shit like that, it's like, damn been rapping twenty five He's been not rapping for twenty five that's crazy. Been in the industry, on the charts, bling bling every time we come, right, He been in with the he been twenty five years. Gave you Nikki, he gave you Drake, gave you, Tiger fucking gave you j Mills. You know what I'm saying. Even if you want to be like, yeah, but Mills,

you was out before that. He helped rebrand me. So I ain't going to I ain't going to like not acknowledge that, you know what I'm saying. He did all the dedication to the Carters. He did all that shit. He went through his ups, his downs, he bounced back, went through it with Birdman, all that shit and still in his thirties. Hey, come on, man, he's one of them people. No, he is. No. Who do I think Wayne could go against some verses. He's in the He's

in the room where it's like him. They keep saying Drake too. I think Drake is in that room. Ye, Drake, Hove, Kanye Beyonce, Mary J. Blige snooping DMX. I would have said, not, I love Mary, but Mary's not in the room. Mary's in that room. I think, like Mary, Mariah Carey mar room. I honestly feel like Jermaine dupre Puff, Doctor Dre Farrell. They in that room too. I heard what Jamaine Dupree said about he is in the Songwriters Hall of Fame.

This isn't a songwriter's verse. I don't see a world in which Mary could beat Beyonce in the versus all those other those other names you mentioned. Here's the world in which they all can beat each other. I don't think it's about I don't think it's so much. I'm right. No, Look, Beyonce was in a group, Beyonce got Destiny child bags beyond Beyonce will What I'm saying is all those names you mentioned. Don't listen. Listen, listen. I am part of Mary's not an immediate I'm part of this ship. Now.

You will not Marry's a legend, but she's not in that. Not say this while we are in the same frame. You will not say Mary is amazing, because he's not about to say obliviate like obliterate like Beyonce would obliterate Mary. She won't obliterate her in a versus battle. It literally would be not a good look for Mary to do that. It would be a horrible look Beyonce. Look, bro, bro, I thought, look, Mary is a legend. You know what you know when you said all those names, all those

people could beat each other. No, but but this is the third thing. This is the thing. I'm not saying who could beat each other. That's no, no, no, no no, I'm saying that you could put who's in that room. Mary's in that room, Mary's in that room? Telling you Mary's in that room, what's the four one one? My Maria is not in that room. She ain't She's not in the room. She's in the room next door with Mary. So you're telling me Mariah Carey and Mary Jay aren't

in the room with Beyonce. The room. Listen, there, it's a room. Drake is in that room, Mary, Mariah, Beyonce in that room. Missy she in that room, Bro, she in that room. No disrespect to Missy. No, no, listen, all this is all disrespected. You're saying. I'm not evenna let you get away with the journalist. Jay is in the building. Let's get it going. I cannot let you do this. I can't let they are all in that room.

I actually don't think I don't think anyone's in the room with Beyonce, could if if if you wanted to put Beyonce in the class by myself. So Beyonce, she's got a loft above the house. You know why I don't get mad at you saying that because Beyonce, because it may be people look it may be people that looked at that the same way when bird Man said that about Wayne. So I get it. It's it's it's to each his own. I get your opinion. I'm just saying I have a difference. I feel like they're all

in that room. So just feel like there's certain people that I think there's a tier below the tier you're talking about. And it's like Mariah Man, I feel like that ship is a is a one level green room. I don't feel like I don't feel like it's any tears. You feel like they all just sitting in the room. Maybe or maybe I feel like that. I feel like they're all in that room. Listen, Mariah is a fucking legend.

I don't feel like Jamaine Duprie, how about this. Maybe I was a little disrespectful to Mariah because Maria to me, I don't want to say that Jamaine. I'm feel like I don't feel like Jermaine Dupree should be like, oh Jamaine the Precabat or Puffbat, doctor Dre. It's certain people that's like nah for you know what, you know what Jamaine Dupree, Missy Mary, Beyonce, Lil Wayne Drake, jay Z, those type of people they in that room over there, like you can't even get in from the outside. You

gotta wait for one of them to leave. Mariah, Mariah did put out the greatest hit to It was just called the Ones. You know what I heard, you know what I heard on the radio the other day. So maybe Mariah's in the room New York, in the house. That's how I said. I just that's how long hush ship go back to. Maybe Maria should go back to. No, maybe Mariah's in the room vocals. I didn't want to see the Beyonce versus ship go her ship go back, man. I don't know. Mary's teetering on. I don't know what

it is. What's good with you? I love Mary, I love Mary. The thing is very Mary. Mary's in that room. I mean, we can agree to disagree, we can agree to disagree, but I'm telling you Mary, she's in that room. Man. Again, what's the four one one in my life? We can't put we can't put anyone in the same room as Beyonce, female vocalists, et cetera. I just don't know Rihanna might be in that room. Though. You said female vocalists. Who's gonna Beyonce? So now you just who's gonna beat Beyonce.

I'm not I'm not saying who could beat who. I'm just saying, but who's in the room. I'm just saying who's in the room. I don't know. Mary is not close to Beyonce. I'm not saying that Mary is not an incredible and influential and but but who the fucking they're both in that room. Man shout out to Beyonce. Man shout Beyonce. Shout out to Mary's Nicki Minaj in that room. I think niggis in that room too. I think Nikki Foxy come on, no, no, no, no, no,

no yo. You know why, you know why put Foxy Brown and Little Kim in the same room as Beyonce and Nicki Minaj. Bro Drake is in that room, missus. I'm naming people that in a versus. It's like it's like, now, Foxy Brown is incredible. I love Foxy Broke. It's like it's incredible album. It's likens Kendrick is in that room too, Kendrick in that room. It's not I'm not doing a certain everything. I'm just telling you artists that when you think about you know what, you know it's the problem.

They thought that same thing with the locks. When we talk about the lock. Niggas thought O dipset got a cold following. They got the cold following. But you forgot to see you for see you forgot about the chain gang freestyles on the Cluminati because I don't know if you was getting those mixtapes where you was at. So when niggas get on them stages and Foxy start performing versus from freestyles on Clue mixtapes when it was her a Z nods and called mego or nature, and we

remember them because it's the incredible. Yeah. Yeah, when Kim start going into I've got no time. If they Donald twenty, if they Donald, they see now you you now you know what you're doing. You having people battle of a people that's excluded from the world in which everyone has fair chances. It ain't no chances. They worked hard enough to get to the room where they ain't even in this conversation. They're in a room not even in this conversation.

You know, it's crazy when the last time you listened to Monster, When the last time you listened to Monster, like four days ago, I listened to my beautiful dark twist of Fantasy. Often he in that room? Who Kanye, he's in that room? Yeah? But when the last time you listened to Monsteryo, four days ago, I was driving You think you don't you think she like, you don't think she deserves to be in that Like I'm not

even gonna lie in the room. You know why I'm naming these people that's supposed to be in this room because versus and I've learned this, and we're gonna talk about some other shit because this ain't the versus interview. Versus is about performance. It's about stage presence, it's about personalities, you know, it's about time. And all of these people I'm naming, I think when they get on that stage, it's a lot of times you might have the better records.

I think Bow Wow had better records than Sojia Boys. Listen Sojia Boy with long do or and shout out the bow Wow shot Soldier Boy. You can't tell you didn't watch that bullshit battle, but I'm I watched it, so I'm gonna tell you watch. Sojia Boy played she Make It Clap four different times? Yeah cause so boys got hold on record, but hold on. He played his version, Then he played the remix for French Boy French Out. Then he played a version from Nicki Minaj. We never

even heard it. We still haven't heard this verse, nigga like he played the same song three times, No, nigga. He played a version of she Make a Clap with Nicki Minaj. That oh shit, oh shit. You know it's crazy though, Soldier Boy is uh, she got intense oneos record minute. Soldier boys records are way bigger than baw Wo Got Crazy. Sojio Boy's biggest song. He might have as many records, but Sojo Boy's biggest records are way

bigger than bow Wow's biggest records. I'm just telling you I would have just like technical babyface, not my Harlem bias. But I just I thought, yo, Teddy Riley, it is Teddy Riley, and then I forgot I didn't. I was like damn. I was like, oh shit, Babyface did this. He did this, and I learned that shit through the what's his name? Then he brought out he brought it. He said, yeah, uh, this is when baby Face fronted.

Let me sure how baby Face fronted? He said, yeah, his next record right here, that nigga broke out an acoustic guitar. I think he started playing when will I See You Again? Like singing it. This is before it was a stage. He was singing this ship to the Instagram, had the feet tap and all that, and I'm like, damn, Teddy wi Fi was fucked up. It was so much going on, It's like, oh, it doesn't matter about it? Am I lying? Bro? It was like it don't even

matter about the records no more. And I think now where Versus came to the stage, shit, Earth Winning Fire and the Osley Brothers in SWV and Escape. These are groups where it's like, yo, they both got hits. So now it's all about well who could sell it more? Hooka, whokah, who's gonna look better? Who's going you know, Bobby Brown had a lot of hits. Who would you like to say? I would love to see Mary n Verses came up there. My moms was looking at the verses like, go ahead, Keith,

who do who? Go ahead? Who do you think would make sense? Because I would love to see Mary in a verses? Who would Who do you think she should go against? Mary versus Missy might be solid. Now they're in the room, man, we gotta we gotta talk about some Look. Look, I've had media training, right, and it's what's going on about what five months? I've had media training. You're not gonna get me to say Mary the Mary and Beyonce. Oh that was I almost fell for it too.

I almost said, nah, look Beyonce, Maryka, they're both queens. They're both in the room, untouchable. Now Beyonce is winning, though I don't know. I'm just gonna embrace greatness and just be happy that. But I'm fucking good Beyonce is winning. I don't know who would Who would you know? Who wins? Whoever's alive to see it? Fair enough? It's free, Okay, that's an incredible win. We would get to see that

for free. Who would win if Drake and Wayne battled on versus because they did the tour, the Drake versus Wayne tour. O don't know, I don't think they would do it, but it'd be cool to see because they did do the Drake versus Little Who. Do you think though? So if you who'd you put your money on? You

had to bet one hundred thousand dollars. I'm not betting on that who, but you had to someone said, look you, no, I don't have a hundred grand I don't have to do anything free bet make sure I've fulfill my obligations to the contract that I just that's all I have to really do. I don't have to do anything. But I think I think both of them. I think I think Drake and Lil Wayne. You know what's crazy to me. It's crazy to me to see like all of the records that Drake is breaking in the time that he's

been in the industry. You unders what I'm saying. It's twenty twenty one. Would we we finally got like Drake Drake like best I ever had so far? Go on like what oh what that was nine twenty ten? Yeah, think about like breaking the Beatles records and I like the like I think I think more like I think Drake's probably got like he could probably do it verses with just his features. But I think Wayne can't get in the bags. He can he can always into versus

battle say I signed you. It ain't even about that. I think. I think with Wayne, we forget it. We put my money on. It was one year that Wayne I put my money. It was on like three hundred Son records, involving like all the morning he had from him and the features and twenty. I put my money on Wayne just because I like, I think that on stage he'd do better and he could. He could say some slick ship that Drake couldn't answer to. I think

with Versus, it's hard to tell because it's about the sequencing. Man. Secreencing is important. I think the performance at this it used to not be about performance because people would just play songs and then be on the IG live, like just think, just think a way that ship came from us watching it in the pandemic and the crib to now it's fucking it was slowing down money. I think the dipset like shit put a whole new energy behind it.

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stop lying, You're never gonna stop rapping. You love it, And I tell it like, I'm not gonna stop rapping because I don't feel like we in the era right now where you have to retire or you have to I look at it. I look at something like Two Chains. I watched too. I watched Two Chains reinvent itself to the point where you don't give a fuck how old two Change is. You know what I'm saying, You don't care how old fab is. Jim Jim don't die his beard.

You don't. You don't give a fuck how old Jim Jones is put on L Coppo and you like it's a nigga talking. So I think it's I think it's kind of yes shot that he makes. It's kind of like at this point, man, it's it's how you were just giving me some game before we came on camera about you know, how to keep ship going from this point like what I'm doing like certain ship work for certain people, you know what I'm saying. And I feel like where I'm at right now, I love this ship

so much. I'm back to the point where it was like, damn, I'm at a point where it's like do you want to do it? Do you need to do it? Or do you have to do you know what I'm saying. And with me, it's like, Yo, I remember a time where I was doing this shit and wasn't really looking for nothing from it, and that was the most fun I ever had. I wasn't obligated that. Even right now with the empis, I ain't obligated to nothing. I can drop so every day if I want, you know, So,

it's not like an obligation to anything. You free to do what you want. You're free to do this new shit, you know what I'm saying. And they not saying I can't do my music. Shit. It's just like, Yo, we just need you to do this this blah blah. This is what we're paying you for, right, you know what I'm saying. And now it's like, yo, bro, you could really just do whatever the fuck you want. I'm not looking for Oh I'm trying to. I got plaques already. I got plaques that I'm still waiting to put up

when I'm moving to the new crib. So it's like, you're not doing it for a plaque. And this is another thing. This is another thing I had to I had to learn sometimes you could be chasing some shit that you already got, and I'm explaining to you. I was ordering my place and shit right, and I was ordering like, uh, young money gold album, fucking I am not a human being album because I was on two records on there, and it's platinum. All right, get my plaque.

But I never really paid attention to this type of shit. So I would go to producer's houses and they'd be like, yo, Miles. I would go to an engineer house and he would be engineered on an album and he would have a plaque and I wouldn't but I'm on it, and he'd be like, yo, order, So now I'm ordering my plaques, Billboard plaques. Young Money debuted at number one, hit number one. The second album debuted here Soul List, so this one was number So I'm like, now I'm ordering all these

these plaques, these Young Money plaques. So I'm like, you know, i'd be on my geek shit sometimes, man, let me google myself on Billboard, right, let me just see. So it's like, damn, I google myself, look up to date, back search at all that shit, and I'm like, damn. I was on the Billboard charts when I was still living in my mom's crib. I was on the Billboard charts before I was on the Billboard charts with Young Money. But I just never knew. So I started ordering all

them shits. Order no, No, No, or or the streets melting feature in Swiss Beats. I don't give a fuck if it's number twenty, if it peaked that twenty eight and it hit forty three, or if it peaked that number twelve and it was dropped down to eighty something, it was there, so you need to see that every day so you could know that's not something you need

to keep chasing, chase some other shit. Wake up every day, roll you up blunt and look at that time where you was in the hot one hundred and you peaked that number twenty three in two thousand and four. Was it hard hard to figure out like kind of how

to keep monetizing J Mills? Fuck? Yeah, it was hard because I ain't really have no real management and the time where it was like the whole rock Nation shit, or people were signing to groups or you're not signed to a manager, you signed to a management group, like I ain't really I was just one of them people. It was like, I I know how to record myself, I know how to do all this shit. I know how to put it out. I just put it out.

But I'm getting lost and now it's people involved. You need to be a part of a system, some sort of some sort of machine. If you just want to put the music out and do the music shit, you need to be with some people that could pick up where you stop with the music. They could pick up with the rest of the business. And I think I just got so lost in it. I just like putting music out like I ain't pressed on the bread, the fame, the numbers. It's like, bro, I'm gonna be real with you.

Once you doesnet been on that. You don't been around the world with the whole young money shit and you don't have to smack DVD the battle fame and you know what it's like for flex to drop bombs on your record and do that you didn't you did. That's why I in the freestyle, I say, already did what I came to do. All my visions became true. But I ain't living in the past. I'm living in the now, you know what I'm saying. Like I was in that magazine that was the first magazine I was in. I

remember doing the interview in front of my mom. I still lived in my mom's crib when I did that interview. People who can't see it on camera. It's the double excel eminem fifty cent and Doctor Dre when fifty first got with them, and I remember I was like, damn, I felt so excited because I had a whole page. But this is coming from being in the source and like off the radar, having like a piece of the paper you're a part of shit like that, and you

wake up. You look at your plaques, and you look at your kids, and you look at awards and shit for award shows that you wouldn't go to no more if they invited you because you don't. It's like you performed, I won shit, I and if I never do it again, I'm grateful enough to know, Yeah, that's what God. God put that in your life for that moment, for you to get to some other shit, you know what I'm saying.

And a lot of time I don't think people be grateful for the shit they're already done because sometimes you can't see it, you know what I'm saying. That's the whole thing with the plaque shit. It's like, Yo, if you look at all this shit, you'd be like, am I really still trying to bust my ass to get on the billboard charts? Or am I trying to get on the billboard charts for you? Like am I still trying to go platinum? Or am I trying to go

platinum for you? For you to be like, see, I told you my nigga, do it, nigger, I know I could do it even if I don't do it. I just choose not to do it because got some other shit going on. But when you don't have nothing going on, it's hard to I'm talking right now is talking from a standpoint where it's like, yeah, I'm up here, don't call now is available on all platforms, but you don't stream it. My bills are gonna get paid. The Range Rover, they're not gonna come take it. I don't owe anything

on my jewelry. I don't owe anybody anything, you know what I'm saying. I don't feel like nobody owe me anything, you know what I'm saying. So I could talk like this, and in my mind it's like, I see why when people get to a certain point, they just be like, yo, man, I'm doing this shit because I want to, Like I don't have to, you know, like people be like, I don't really have to do this shit, and that should

just sounds so generic. Like right, it's like, now I'm doing this shit because I love it, so you should love this shit that I give you even more just knowing I really don't have to do this shit, right right? You know that's fair? Yo? What was like the creative process? Let's go back to like a record like Bad Rock or like a record like every Girl, Like how would you would you would? Did you guys record those together?

Or would you guys? We recorded every Girl and Bad Rock together, And once again, I'm gonna speak to the genius or Wayne real quick. Wayne formulated that whole every Girl bedrock type shit. Uh Wayne changed my whole verse around on bad Rock. But the end was the beginning,

and I think the beginning was the end. But he was like, Yo, it sounds better on a walk in this shit that he known from being with the hot boys and shit like that, and he shared that with us like he used to always share that shit with us, like, Yo, I'm gonna get on these records with y'all, like I'm gonna sell it with y'all. I ain't just gonna throw y'all out there. So that's why he was on every Girl.

He was on Bad Rock, he was on he was in the videos, he was bringing us on stage with him, he was he was doing all of that because he was trying to sell us. So really that was Wayne. I did the Bedrock, I mean every Girl video with all the different type of girls getting out the video, like skinny girls, big girls, small girls, white girls, black girls.

This this religion, this religion. That was his idea to make it seem like we like just kept getting out the car like, yeah, we're just gonna be in a factory with the car and we're just gonna so Drake, Nicky J. Mills. Everyone's in the studio together during this time. Noah, not for every girl. NICKI bullied her way on Bedrock. Shout Shout the Dickie. She was like, no, y'all not gonna put out another single without me, like because every girl was like something that we just did. Yeah, she's

not at every girl, right, No, yeah, that's yeah. Every girl was something we did. And uh, I want to say Hollywood somewhere or somewhere like up there sunset, you know them like the hotel that got a studio in the hotel I forgot. It's one of them sexy shi its like on the on the whatever. Long story short, we did it in there, and yeah, we was all in there together. We was all in there together when we did Bedrock. Uh, when we did Bedrock, Lloyd wasn't

on that. The Marion was on it when we first when we first did it, and they got leaked and I think uh, you know, way ain't on hear and fuck with no leaks, So when they got leaked, like

they was trying to like still use the record. But that's why when the final record came out, it was that it was I will say this man, Way ain't don't get enough credit for a lot of ship, like with the whole Young Money ship, like we was when you think about where we was at with it, Like Drake was Drake from the Grassy and nick he was Nikki from the from the DVDs and the mixtapes and Gucci and all of that shit she was doing. And I was Me from the Smack DVDs and mixtapes and

all of that. But Wayne was Wayne. He was on the verge of it was right before Lollipopkin. He was on the verge of becoming Wayne Wayne. When he became Wayne Wayne, a million records sol first week called at three, he took everybody, you know what I'm saying, even if before it was artist bus and we all had different buses, it was fucking y'allg just on my bus, you know

what I'm saying. And I give him a lot of credit for that because he didn't have to put us on the stage with him at the height of his shit. You know what I'm saying. I can't think of too many artists at that time of his like level that was doing the shit that he did for us. Was there ever anyone that you knew that almost signed with Young Money that didn't end up working out? That would have been crazy? Uh? Damn. I don't know. I don't know.

I can't really, I can't really it was, it was, It was a few I remember Mario and I thought that was gonna be cool, the whole of Marion thing. I don't know what happened with that. I remember Lloyd Lloyd, Uh, I don't know. It was. You know, people was probably hitting Wayne up like crazy. I remember one day I was with Wayne and he was like, yo, boys just hit me up about getting with young Wayne was He was like Norri Nori Jeger, this is like, this is like a while, This is like when Nori was doing

regaetone kind of probably around that time. He was not he was still booming. He was still booming. Yeah, probably nothing Raggaeton one of them and shout out to Norri man like Noorri one of them people. Uh, I don't really speak to him too much. But when I speak

to him, he always tell me about myself. He always always, and I used to I used to go back and forth with him, you know, because we probably smoking and drinking and it's probably coming across like yo, And I had to realize, like Yo, I used to listen to this man when I was in the ninth, tenth grade, eleventh grade, you know what I'm saying. I used to ride to school and listen to the War reporting and ri E And first time I heard FAB was on a clue freestyle with Norri on air. Oh wow, wrapping

over money, power respect. So when I talk to people like that, it's not really about rap no more. It's like I don't really care about doing a song with you, like I ain't really even tripping on doing a drink Champs interview. Hey, I'm sure, and I'm gonna tell you why, Because I feel like I get more from you answering the phone, answering the text message you know what I'm saying, or if I'm in town, like yo, I'm here, I

bet link up, let's link up. I get more out of that than trying to get some publicity or market something or like nah, you interviewed this one. I need to come promote. It's like, nah, man, just answer, you know what I'm saying. And it's like that with a lot of people, like shout out to young Guru. You know what I'm saying. I sometimes I just hit Guru like yo, just checking in, just saying what's up. You know.

Like once I was in the studio with him and kicked it with him and he started telling me your mills, it'd be crazy if you take your battle and turn it into an NFT. And it's like and I'm sitting there like, Yo, this is jay Z's engineer. Like he giving me game right in his crib, giving me game. Open his door to me. You know what I'm saying. So I value shit like that more than Yo, Let's do some music. It's like, man, I've been doing music for twenty years. Man, would you do battling anymore? I

probably would, but not at this present moment. Like I got a lot of bag. Oh the bag gotta be stupid, right, The bag was right when I came back. So you know what I'm saying. The bag was right when I came back. But there's so much money in the battle rap shit man, good trans This is a good journalist, Jay, a good transition. I was watching, Uh was it summer madness the overy day. You don't you don't keep up

with the battle the battle culture. Man. I I used to and it just became like it just became a lot. It's just killing uh battle culture. Yeah, shout out the smack, Shout out the U R l H. Shout the caffeine. Shout the caffeine, shout the Uh. I saw the geechee Gotti caliculture, Uh moove read shout to Kashan Kishan battle Uh chess. Easy see these as people and I noticed this. I know this with my platform and with my new platform and ship like that. When you speak about these

type of things, you gotta highlight ship. You can't just glaze over ship. Because I was one of those battle rappers before that. A nigga only shout out the headliner like yeah, shout out the mook and this this like Nah, it was a lot of other niggas up there. I got busy that day. It's a lot of other niggas that went to work that day. You know what I'm saying. They was up there trying to get a back end hoping the nigga. Don't bump them, hoping the nigga, you

know what I'm saying. So I still try to keep keep keep myself tapped in with that culture. That's why when you asking me what I still battle, it's like hell yeah, shout out the head Ice had Ice ain't no young young boy, but he fucking he a god with the battle rap shit. That's another sport where father time don't catch up with you. In battle rap, father time don't catch up with you and rap. I just watched Nas want a Grammy. I was with Nori in Miami when Nas want to Grammy and he was facetiing.

He was hitting him like yo, you did that for queens, And like I was with Nori speak like just how everything just come full circle? You know what I'm saying. It's like yo, I was. I was with him when he faced timed Nas like yo, you just like it's just moments like that for me. Now it's past music. It's past trying to create a musical moment like I can't. I don't want to hit two chains and be like yo, I need a verse like you did a verse for

me when you was charging one hundred thousand. All I want for my birthday is a big bully girl Mills, just send it. You ain't never got it. You ain't never got it. It's certain people that did shit for me, uh, when I was coming up in my music career, throughout my music career, when I might have been at a downtime and you know, I needed I needed some help with some shit. It's a lot of people that might have helped me with things. And right now people might be like, Yo, why you don't hit so and so

for a feature? Why you don't hit this one for a feature? It's like, nah, because that person already did shit for me that I don't even give a fuck about the feature. The other ship that they did was more important. That shit meant more to me, Like now I'm more into some shit, like Yo, can I get you for my show? How many minutes can I get you for for this segment I got for? You know what I'm saying that that don't mean more than me.

Fuck with me now and this new shit I'm doing because I ain't gonna keep asking you for no And to keep it real, majority of the people that did a lot of shit for me in the industry did it for free? I can't really tell. I could probably count on three fingers the times I paid for a feature. Now look at now, I ain't gonna throw them out there, like, come on, and who'd you pay for? You don't gotta tell how much? Who'd you have to pay for? You want know somen crazy? They all from New York, So

who'd you pay for? Because I wouldn't want to put it out there. But I'm just saying people pay for features. People do. But I'm just trying to show the love that I've gotten from everyone that first came in the game. Threw ups and downs before Young Money? What young money? After Young money? My independence, like when I was just a mixtape nigga with no with no nothing. I know you had mentioned that you and Vado might be doing

something like a project. Is that something that's still even on the table, Like yeah, uh, you know what it is to drive me and Vado, we always go back and forth like we're gonna do this, go do that, never get around to it. So I don't know. But Vias my boy, viz v He is like one of my fucking best friends in life. Like I knew Vado

before we was both rappers. I think he was the first guy, like I remember the Slime Ship was he was, And we got that from Nori And we got that from Nori saying that ship in the video like yeah it was and then yeah yeah, So we say that we acknowledged that we from we from that era, We from the era of like we was talking earlier about, like Stretch Armstrong and you know, Cam and Joel's going up to Stretch arm Strong, a Major Figures going up to Stretch Strong, shout out to shout out to Gilly

and shout out to the Major Figures. Man, I don't I don't speak on a lot of this a lot, but I remember when Major Figures was like the thing right, and I was one of them kids. I used to be listening to Stretch Armstrong on Sundays taping it, you know, because I know when whoever come up here, they gonna rap,

whether it's Eminem and Royce, whether it's Royce byself. That's how I found out, like, yo, this is name five nine is nice because he you know, so I know this, Gilly and them would come, they go up there, they mob, they kill it, they flowing their spin and they got this ship down. It's but one thing I always used to notice is I know that this show is being recorded in New York, so that means they came from

They come from a whole nother state. It's Nigga Royster five nine, and they came from a whole number state to come up here and just just get they ship off at that time. To me, that's what I wanted to do. It's like, I just want to go averywhere and get my shit off. I want to wrap I wanted you know what I'm saying. So it reverts right back to the like, Yo, even if I wasn't making no money off of rap, I probably still talk my ship. Were you around? Uh young money? Cash money? When Gilly

was around? Was that prior to you? I was. I wasn't around for it. I was. That was before me. That was before me. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy to think, like the folklore of whether or not he helped Wayne write. I don't think. I don't think Gilly wrote for Wayne. But Wayne is the type of person if you're around him and you nice, it ain't. I ain't gonna act like I don't know you nice. It's like, Yo, I got some shit y'all tell me how you think this sound.

And if you be like, ain't I think on the other part, you could have said that ship like I'd be like, a good idea, yeah, good good look, A good look, and I appreciate that. I bet there's probably some shit like that you wrote for me. You you write for me because you might not even be as

nice as me. You right for me. And I'm not saying like the Gilly and Wayne, but I'm just saying like I'm one of them people, my boys, sitting right there to them, and many times like once we done got comfortable enough to the point where he don't look at me like, oh that's big, bro, I can't tell me, you know, I don't want to tell that nigga that shit.

Once it got to the point we could be like, hmm, you said this, yeah you can do it and now, and then it to get to a point where he'd be like, I think, well, maybe you probably could have said like, instead of saying this it's cool, does that mean you're right for me? I just sat up here and told you on bedrock the end was the beginning. The beginning was the end. Wayne told me amails it come out the booth real quick. I think you should start it off she ain't and when she missed, that's

that's better. And then leave the other part for the other. Does that mean Wayne? Right for me? Right right right? It's my man, it's my boy. We're working on the same product. You know what I'm saying that, But that's how I look at it. That's just me, you know what I'm saying. Other people might look at it like now, I don't be wanting nobody to help me with nothing cool. It's me and it's all right. Let's just say at that time it's me, It's gotta gutta, it's Tiger, it's Wayne,

it's Drake, is MacMahon, is Nikki. Before we even go into booth, we're gonna say our verse for everybody in a circle. He'll turn that, turn that down real quick. All I got everybody like this. I don't think we the only crew that used to function like that. I think before you go into booth, CAM wanted to hear your shit too, and Cam gonna be brutally honest and way ain't gonna be. It was times some people might

not make it to a song. It was songs I didn't make it too, because Wayne might hear that shit and be like nah nah, or he might get to the studio and we already don't put verses on shit. Before he got there, he planned back listen to it, be like oh oh nah, no, gotta gotta kill you on that one. Take that verse off. Fuck. I'm gonna say, you know what I'm saying. What at that point, it's like,

we're probably about to do eight more records tonight. You're not thinking You're not thinking about it like that when you in that crew mode and you and that it's my niggas were bombing on We just bombing on shit. You know what I'm saying, You're not thinking like that. And I think TD he wasn't thinking like that. Q ain't in there with Abs Soul and Kendrick and all of them when they was doing eight things like you're just bombing on shit. You're just bombing on shit. Yeah,

that's that's a fair point with the new thing. You're a part of it. You can't speak on all the way yet, right. That's shout out to my partners man some some sort of art like what made you? I guess I want to pivot out of doing the music shit more and doing the video shit and then maybe kind of being more of a personality. Man, I'm about to sound crazy right now. Uh well I could be. And my boy, my boy shouts at my boy Linux.

If anybody really been following me, they know, uh. In the pandemic, when the whole quarantine shit started, we started a podcast, and my boy right there, we started a podcast called the Loud Opinions Podcast. Right I would pull up at his crib. We invested in some lights, some speakers, some mics. I got laptop with garage bend. Let's get a mixer. Let's figure out how the inputs and how to do this shit. All right, that work set up my Osmo pocket right here. You got an iPhone eleven.

I got an iPhone XL. Let's order some Amazon tripods. Fucking I think this is how it worked. I film you from this angle. I'm gonna film me from this angle, and I'm gonna film both of us on this angle. Go home, get on YouTube, learn how to fucking edit multi caam right right right, so now I'm editing our shit. We ain't getting no views like that. You go pull it up right now, real shit, I ain't gonna lie. You can pull it up right now. I ain't getting

no views like that, but we're doing it. Probably did about fourteen, fifteen, twelve, twelve twelve, probably like fourteen. We do like fourteen episodes, right, So we kind of had a point like, yo, what are we doing? You know what I'm saying? Is this shit working? Is it worth it? Do it makes sense? We fell back off doing it. I put out wood paying the walls. So when I put out wood paying the walls, by now we're shooting videos.

I'm telling him, like, bro, I know angles I got the camera to the point where he went and bought a camera. Bro, let me get nice to shooting videos by shooting your videos. He was paying a dude to shoot the video. You don't gotta pay me nothing. I'm your boy. But when I need a video done, you could I'll show you what I know and in return we could just bang out. So we're doing that with shooting videos and shit. So now from the podcast, I learned how to edit. That taught me how to edit

the videos. So now I'm shooting the videos, I'm editing the videos. I do woodpaying the walls. I'm like, yo, let me try some shit. I'm just trying shit, you know what I'm saying, trying to get more traction with the project. I'm like, let me do like a little documentary. So I set the tripod up in the studio, filmed myself talking, I take pictures video, also make a little documentary. The dude I later found out the dude who came to me with the opportunity for the job shout out

with my boy Harrison. He came to me with the situation and I thought it was fake. I thought it was fake, and I was like, Yo, just tell me how much y'all could pay me for what y'all need me to do, you know what I'm saying. So he told me, and I'm like, all right, because you gotta remember, I don't got no manager, I don't got no agent, I don't got no nothing. I just happened to check the email one day and it was like, Yo, we want you to do this right, Let me just reply

to this shit. So I replied to it, and I'm gonna just fast forward to the point of what made me want a transition. He was like, Yo, he's twenty three, twenty four years old. So I had to ask him like, Yo, what made you think that this was the fun? Made you come to me? You know what I'm saying, and think that I could even do this shit. I don't have no history in doing this shit or nothing. What made you? And he was like, Yo, I saw your podcast.

I watched the podcast episodes, and I watched your documentary, he said, And then from there I went and looked at your battles and all of that. So I'm like, damn, if we wouldn't have never been doing the podcast and I wouldn't just still have that there for you to go look at fifteen episodes of personality and range and different conversations and laughing and joking and all of this shit.

Who might have had an opportunity? I might not have had the opportunity if I never would have did that documentary that at the end when the credits rolled, it's say, directed, shot and edited by Jarvis J. Mills. Mills, you wouldn't have came to me and gave me equity and made me an executive producer and brought me in a writer's room for some sure, but you already know I could do this shit. So when I'm like, Yo, this ship is too good, to be true. They like, Nah, this

is this is this is destined for you. This is perfect for you, man, you know what I'm saying. So when you it's like, Yo, God brought this to me. That's why I'd be like, can't nobody be like if it wasn't for me, if it wasn't for you, what you ain't got nothing to do with this? I would have. I don't have. I don't even have a team of people. I gotta split my ship with now, which is even better. It's crazy, you know what I'm saying. You know what

I'm saying. So with that, it's like, Yo, and I could get up here and be like, when you asked me, do you want to? But you're still baddle again. Fuck though, I don't need to fucking battle nigga, I'm over. It's like, nah, I love that ship. I would probably still battle for free, you know what I'm saying, because it's not It was never about them, And people gonna see that, Yeah, they gonna see it. They gonna see that now with this this era of j Mills, you know what I'm saying,

I'm engaged. I'm fucking playing a wedding, you know what I'm saying, I appreciate that. Man. So I'm married. Planning the wedding is the least fun part about that. But it's fun to you know what I'm saying. It's fun to me because it's some news and you gotta figure out who to invite, who not to invite. Okay, how many? How much is that? Let's talk? How much is it per plate? No? No, we're gonna have to cut about fifty motherfuckers. This is the problem. This is the problem.

My fiance, she's gonna like this part of the interview. I'm gonna talk about this wedding ship too, right, Yo. Why people just think that they're gonna be invited to your wedding? I don't know what. At what point in life did this start with people just tell you, yeah, because at your wedding. I'm a nah, you might not even be at the wedding. What are you talking? I had about eighty five people on my wedding. I was like, everybody wanted I gotta keep it under a hundred vaccinated man,

Yeah you want the bunk. I hit the blunt. Man, I'm not vaccinated, but you're telling me that after I hit the bunt the way he said it. It was like, Yo, are you vaccinated, because I cool you can hit it. That's like, oh, by the way, I'm not vaccinated. And I was gonna tell you enjoy that Corona. I was going to tell you Jesus, I get tested. I get tested. Yeah, I get tested every week, right, and my daughter kids, they get tested at school. All of that with that, but I heard and I heard uh in like I

don't know if it's New York on New Jersey. I heard they're not testing the kids. They only testing, uh, the teachers. I could be wrong, I'm just talking. I could be wrong, but I would be real nervous if the kids weren't getting tested because kids is like they real careless and they just when that. Plus, you won't even know if they have it, because most of the time, if a kid has coronavirus, they don't They're usually asymptomatic.

It's true, so you might not know. You be like kicking it with with your kids, taking them over to Grandma Grandpa's house. Grandma and Grandpa died. Yo, you you know you know what? You know what? I was just telling me about the song and feeling like mellow shit, right, It's so crazy like I always tell you, like anybody who know me, no, Carmelo Anthony my favorite basketball player. You know I'm not saying he's the best. He's your favorite favorite, right of course. So been following him since

high school. So I always used to like kind of like run my career like parallel to Mellow or some shit. And I always used to sise to be like, yo, you know, it's so crazy. The only thing I'm missing is like a solo, major album that has done all of these miraculous numbies that. But it's like, what damn is that for me? Or is that for argument sake of the fans or argument sake of your friends and people that because for me, I did way more than

I thought I would. When I step back and I look at awards and plaques and I look at shit like that, and how long I've been doing this shit? And people come and go. People don't last twenty years, you know what I'm saying. Like I'll be trying to tell people like, bro, I was a kid. I came in this like I got my first deal at seventeen. I was a fucking kid rapper kind of you know what I'm saying. The book to do the battle shit

and do it and do all that. So when you when you when you get to this point, man, you be grateful for a lot of shit. You don't look down on nothing. You You try to look at what's gonna be the fucking next move, what's gonna be the next what's gonna be the next uh, the next thing that I could be a part of. On some j mil's branding myself shit, not like I'm a rapper. It's like, nah, I rap, you know what I'm saying, I fucking I rap, I direct, I produce, I write, you know what I'm saying.

So everything bringing it back to the to the mellow shit, it all. Everything with me is like always felt like the underdogs. I always felt like I had to do more, Always felt like I had to put out more freestyles. I gotta put out more mixtapes, I gotta I gotta post more tweets, I gotta, I gotta beat because I can't get lost in shit. And in trying to do that, it's like niggas a overlook all the shit you did, So I make you step back and it'd be like, hold on what you did, what you did? And then

when I had my downtime. That's why I said to them, Bars, I was telling you, it's like yo, I could see how Mellow could feel like damn. So it's always me. So I'm always the problem. All right, Cool, I'll take that last time I would say, I said, bro, anything that ever happened in my career, I take the blame for it. I can't blame nobody else. I'll take the blame before I blame somebody else, because I sleep better like that. You can rewind to the last interview I

said the same thing. Mello took the blame for a lot of shit that wasn't as blame. You know, wasn't his fault, but he still took the blame for it. When he was out the NBA, niggas ragged him and Nigga over he can't buy my body. He came back Portland, did his thing. Yeah, now it was oh, Mellow, Mellow, Melo, Mello, melt don't call now. I be prepared for that ship. That that's why I always say, Man, you be in this ship for as long as I've been in it,

You're gonna have some ups and downs. You know what I'm saying. But it's about how do you handle the ups and downs? How do you deal with people that when you came back down, they showed you what it really was. That's what I'm saying. You gotta you gotta learn that ship, man, Like, that's some ship you gotta. I had to learn that thinking everybody your friend, everybody your homie. If I thought everybody was my homie, everybody was my friend, I would go sit and do this

with everybody. I know everybody that's fair, I know him, I know what they're doing. I know when they shows come on. And there's plenty times that you could have had me come sit down, listen to me talk. You know what I'm saying, Like, there was plenty of times where a nigga could have Are you gonna do the podcast? Uh? You know with the new situation that might be had, what it makes sense for you to try to bring the podcast back. I was thinking about bringing the podcast back.

You know, they're not telling me like I can't do no no other ship like that. So that's just the beauty of it. Like when I was looking at the contract, it's son that I already was doing before this. So it's son that was already emotion you can pull it up and see that I was doing it, so it's not like I took a new job. Right. Well, we can't wait to see what it's gonna be. Hopefully we'll be announcing it soon the album is out, we're gonna have you what have you come back in like six

months whenever you announced this. I'm just waiting for them. I'm just waiting for for the announcement and the little press release thing and then I'm right back this guy judge and host Netflix. Really, Fred, I'm just kidding shout to people's absolutely zero inside information. So if I guess that correctly, it was not your fault. I'm not on Netflix. There is no not Netflix. I'm not on none of that. So he's gonna be on HBO Max. Uh anyway, appreciate you, man. Hey,

look j Mills, go get the album. Don't call now, and the freestyle's out, so go watch the freestyle. Oh yeah, I'm nice, man, Come on, I'm always gonna be nice. I'm always gonna be always. You can't lose. That is what it is. Boom