#110 - Capella Grey

what was like for you with this record? When what was the moment where you realized this was like a real thing? Went to People from out of state, from out of town started you know what I'm saying, tapping in, tagging me and ship. I was like, you're cursing everything. Yeah. As soon as all the other states started tapping in and stuff, I was like, yeah, we're out of here. And did you originally drop this independently? So you went from independent to sign and obviously off this record, but

like what what? Uh? It was going crazy in the city for the months before I got months before I got picked up all over the country on Stupid. It was number one on Jazam nationwide before way before the deal, before the deal, before the deal, number one on Hizam number one. So it starts getting obviously heats up in the club first, no outside TikTok and nah, so like I don't know, I don't make songs for TikTok. No,

I'm saying it's not a TikTok record. But you know, bro, there's no like no one knows what a TikTok song is anymore. There's ship that goes wild that you would never even know. That's a fact. I'm not gonna lie. So but when Vietnam with this song, it was it was just real organic. It was in the streets first, like people were just playing outside the streets in New York on they party. It's a little different, like you know,

sometimes we'll be in the club and stuff. Sometimes it's just outside barbecues and stuff like that, like just wordy of out just moving around the city. And then the clubs picked it up and then it was over. It was a rap and the Forrest Radio we was on the radio rotation before the deal or anything like that. It was just who was the first DJ to play your song on the radio? The first DJ to play it was DJ will probably want for sure, and then

it was not this someone, and then everybody else picked up. Wow, that's big man. Congrats Bro. It's though too because it's like a very it's like a national or a very worldwide sounding record. We think in New York, you know what I'm saying. Sometimes she comes out of New York and it's like, this shit is cool. Same thing with La. There'll be some shit that's popping out here, but we'll be like, man, this shit is cool for La. Or

in New York. You go to New York and hear some shit in the club, he be like, man, this shit is fied, but it's probably not gonna get out of this area. But your shit is like, Bro's got that international sound or something like that. Yeah, I like this like that, even though because I didn't like It's not like I was on purpose trying to create some kind of crazy international sound. I feel like the sound of New York is, especially when we do it the right way, it's a it's appealing enough, so it was

gonna go international, you know what I'm saying. You know facts, man, you're from the Bronx, right, it's a uptown, uptown baby shout out to the Bronx. Hey man, Uh, the Bronx is like one of those burrows doesn't get enough love. All things considered. It to where hip hop was birthed. It is literally where hip hop started. Fact, you know, I think like obviously some of the greatest rivers of all time come out to bron shot out the punch

out to karras One, Yeah, Joey Crack. But like I feel like lately, like you know, ron SUNO's doing this thing you do, hey boogies. Of course, man shouts to high Bridge. But like in general, do you feel like the Bronx has somehow become like the most slept on brown New York easily? Like, and it's weird because it's where hip hop started. Yeah, but you know, Brooklyn was making noise for a while, queens outside, you know what I'm saying. Harlem is definitely Harlem is always going Harlem.

I feel like the Bronx just slept on for a while. But I feel like we got it. It's it's back, We're back. I'm not gonna lie the spotlight. We always had the vibe. We just need a spotlight now you got it? Yeah, Yeah, definitely a great energy uptown right now? Are you? I don't know, this is probably after your generation, but are you gonna? I mean, kress One's got a verses with Big Daddy Kane mm hmm. And Kris Won a lot of people just thinks he's the greatest of

all time. He's from the Bronx. You know what I'm saying, Like, you're gonna, You're gonna, You're gonna. Are you? Are you looking forward to that versus or is that some ship where you're like this just for the coach? I am, yeah, man, So I'm definitely. I make sure I'm dead too. You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm really a fan of like, so you're gonna be there. I have to be there. Hey man, were you, like, did you ever listen to carras one like trying to catch up on his older ship.

So I have to like go back and do more research because of this whole versus thing. It wou presented the opportunity for me to go back and do my research and all that stuff like that. So yeah, Yo, Cares held it down for the whole borough. Yeah he was. He was actually versus mc sean man. Wow, Queen's Bridge. It was what was Queen's Bridge versus the Bronx. Shout out to Kress now that just should be forty year olds and up and hip hop are very excited. I'm

not quite there. I'm thirty four, and I know all my like Brian Samson's old asses excited. I'm sure Neil was excited. He's like, hell yeah, add krs we out here, yo. I'm sure that like hell of people were trying to probably approach you. Did anyone approach you to do the remix? I'm not talk about the actual like Chris Brown or popcor but where there's like people who hit you trying to do a remix? Yeah, hell yeah. The whole industry remixes,

That's what's Yeah, it's like the whole industry. I kind of piphed the vibes under so like fab did a remix from Tory Cranium, Jada Kingdom, Busta Rhymes like It's it Got create a boogie did a remix, and these fave Like the list is low key, kind of crazy people their own remixes. Just like yo, if you're a DJ, just pick what remix you like the most. Yeah, it's like a yeah, it's like a collectible or something like that. So, like the different DJs are playing it in different regions,

they're playing different remixes in different regions. What's the biggest, biggest remix. It's not the official remix. You think the biggestars like what you hear the most when you're out. I'm not gonna lie. I can't even do that because there's like I go to certain places, like certain cities, they're only going to play like certain like you go certain place, they're going to play the A B one and like the French Montana one that's in the same

there's got to be a French one. I didn't know there was crazy shout out the French sir, you tap Jan Roy Woods, every bro. Crazy You getting Chris Brown and Popcorn to fit for the official one? Obviously Chris Brown feels like a no brainer. Man. Yeah, that's not even like, yeah it's Chris Brown. Yeah. He bought it for like for R and B, for just the culture periods like that. That goes signs O D with your project,

like the music that you're working on right now. Would you say that, like your sound in general is in tune with this record or do you have other pockets you get in, I get in some different pockets. So like even if you hear like the rest of the tape, it's just real New York, but you could tell that it's definitely inspired by a Caribbean upbringing as well. And just it just has I just have mad different vibes on this table, like it's it's what was the music

like you say, your Caribbean upbringing? What was the music like in the household period? So we were listening to it like a lot of gospel, were listening to a lot of like Marley just just it was if you, if you, if you finish at Jamaican, there's like a playlist like it's a certain plate list, like it's just you guys, was to everything right right, right right right.

So but I feel like that that inspired like a lot of the cadences and a lot of the melodies and harmonies and everything that's in my music right now. So for you have it like sometimes when you come out and your first record is this big, it could be a gift and a curse. Sometimes that happens, and like you know, the song, your first song will be bigger than you as an artist forever. It's happened with you know a lot of artists. You know, I don't want to name drop sh it on nobody, but you

know it's happened. It happens all the time. Is that something that you're conscious of, like trying to make sure that your music isn't bigger than you if that makes sense. Yeah, I'm not worried about that because I know, like I don't want to sound no way, but there's no where that came from, like I'm that guy. No, there's a whole lot more. You gotta really understand. Yalous is a freestyle. It is a minute forty five second long freestyle with

no hook, no bridge, no verse, no nothing. So let me get this straight, because when you say freestyle for people like who aren't in the studio a lot, like there's freestyles and then there's like yeah, like punching off the top of your head. I'm not talking about just like a freestyle where it's like I just went in one take and just there's different types of restoules with that. I'm talking about freestyle terms like just the style of the record itself, so like there's no real structure to

there's no real structure. I basically prove that point with this. There's no rules to this music shit. So like with the structure of a record, you know it's supposed to be hook, verse, hook, bridge, whatever it is. You know what I'm saying that that certain standard of how you set up your songs. Again, like I said with Yallus, there's no hook, no bridge, no verse, no Nathan, It's just a series of moments back to back like a DJ or something. And you're saying, like, we got, we got,

you got a lot more where that came from. You're not worried about it, yeah, bro, because like, all right, we have that joint, right, But then I'm a musician musician for real, I play instruments and all that. I'm really singing singing for real. But I'm really a fan of hip hop hip for real. I'm really produced, like I produced Giallus and everything. I really we really do this. There's way more where it comes from. You keep all the money, that's what you're saying, Make the beat, write

the song, mixed it, mixed the record everything. Damn. You're like the Bronx Russ kind of wow, and you heard the song that we did that Russ drop. No, I did not you have dropped the joint two weeks ago. Close Seduce is going crazy right now. Number you know, Russ drops the song every week, so it's hard for me to keep up at this point. Well, he puts a lot of music out. Well, the seduced one, the one that we got is going stupid right now. That's all I know. How did you? How did how did

the rust connection happen? He reached out because he just seemed energy, especially on Instagram and everything like that, like just once you tap in and see how I move, like we kind of moved, saying he produces a lot of his stuff, He engineers a lot of his stuff. I do the same. We both talk because you understand when you do it yourself, you don't have to lower your voice or lefe for no jokes that aren't funny.

It's a whole real energy. So with me and me to him, people like Tory, there's certain people that are just like once we tap in, I'm learning too much from them to drive in too much Jewels, it's too far. So once we connected, it was it was like nothing. We dropped the joint like a week after we recorded,

and now it's going stupid. Wow, rest stuff was that someone who you like actually fucked with prior to like him reaching out because like, oh yeah, you know, I think Russ is like has been giving people so much free game for so long and like showing people the

way on so many different things. Like but he always for some reason, motherfucker's like really like the SoundCloud era of hip hop hated him for whatever reason because their haters and there because he kept telling people where he would shoot from and say, Yo, stop me, I'm going to shoot from there, to stop me, and then he would shoot from there and take it every time, every single time, I'm going to sell out the Stable Center.

Sold out the Stable Center, right, because when you when when you say I'm going to sell out the Stable Center, it's he's being cocky, he's being arrogant until he sells out the Stable Center. Then it just stop speaking. It's all now, you guys just have to right. That's why I appreciate this gallous run. I was gonna say, like

you were you said earlier. When you record yourself, it's a different vibe because you know, sometimes when you're in the studio, like you said, you gotta sometimes it's hard to control the vibe. If there's too many variables that pull pull up, come through. Maybe the producer brings a homie, maybe the engineer brings you know what I'm saying, No, because the producer brings homely file one day he got it. Anyway, So with my sessions, I feel like it's two different

types of sessions. Sometimes I might want, like some of my sessions, like if you see my blocks and stuff, it be it'd be mad people in there just be a vibe, mad producers, engineers, mad just different, right, just pople just you know what I'm saying. But like some of my other sessions, it might just be me and the piano and the lap chob just creating and stuff like that. So it's just it varies. But either way that the environment is always controlled though, I'm not gonna

have people freestyling my session. I saw you just were I believe it today. You were in the Hit Boy Yeah kind of. Well then like that shout out to hit Boy, shout out to hit one of the greatest of all time. Yeah, definitely the goal. So it was hit Boy and shawing in with you. So what's that is that for your ship or for their ship? I'm just you know what I'm saying, just moving around, staying this decade. It's a little Wayne t Pain runner and be on everybody's so like you're about to go on

that kind of run. Everybody hooked, everybody bridge, everybody verse. I might produce to beat, I might write it for you. I might be the one on the boards. That's That's a good goal to have because when T Pain and Lil Wayne had that run, it was like for programmers on the radio side, it was a lot. It was like, Yo, we can't do no artists, separation everyone this fucking ta pains on everyone's hook. That's that's the Goalah, absolutely ambush.

You know what's crazy is that on the West Coast we have Blast, who's kind of like the other guy doing that. Right, have you guys connected or broke in Brooklyn? That's crazy? So you and so have you? Blast is another guy who does everything himself. He records himself, makes the beat, does all that. You guys work on any music. Just just knows that be a good decade. Just know, so you and Blast got music together. You know what

I'm saying. It's just a lot going on. So that means, yes, nice who made the beat though, if both you guys make the beat, like you guys both make beats, so who made them? Who made the beat? Did you handle the beat? Or did the Blast handle the beat? It's a lot going on. I can't wait until everybody sees what's in store for this decade, you understand, man? I

like how you talking in decades? Yeah? Absolutely, because it's not because I'm not here for for this record, here for this year, right, I'm taking the decade at a time. That Bro, most people don't look at shit that way. They're just trying to They're just trying to get to tomorrow. Yeah. I feel like that's how you fuck up the longevity though, because you make stupid, short minded decisions and then you know, two years from now, you ain't ship, You're you're relevant,

you know what I mean, You're gone. Yeah. Nah, you gotta come up with this energy because you know what I'm saying, even though I'm very grateful to be here, it's not just happy to be energy. You gotta be ready. I'm ready. So a new new Russ and Capella Grade joint project coming soon. Executive produced. Uh my Blast. I feel like there's a couple of people in the industry that I'm meeting that I'm I feel like it's it's unpleasant, not pleasantly surprised. That sounds crazy, but I'm just really

grateful that they're really nice at what they do. Like meeting Rust in person, he's really dumb nice, Like he's a dumb nice in person. Meeting Cranium in person, like when he was recording Gather Makes Another all the other music, he's really nice. Like it's not like a team. I'm thinking I'm about to walk in as a team of writers and a team that's always disappointing. Man. I've had a couple of you know what I'm saying, Like I'm

just seeing the who who is who? And I'm like, who actually, Like, you know, especially with producers, you'll be thinking, like a producer is so crazy and you're getting the studio with them, and you'll be like, oh no, they're just putting their tag on it. And they got like three little homies that make the beats and ship and then and then you getting with hit boy and hit

Boy will be nah. But I just going crazy though in the same breath though, just you know what I'm saying in the same breath, Then you respect them more as businessmen too, because even though you're disappointed on the creative side, then you understand, all right, cool, yeah, you put it on artists, and it's not like those artists aren't getting credit or or getting their pub anything. That whole sound is from the hand of that literally from

the hand. But sometimes it's like puff where it's like the record might be your brain shot, where it's like, all right, I want something that has the vibe of this, I want snaps in this, I want this type of vibe, this whatever. So you're still producing the record. I guess you know what I'm saying. It's just not pressing the button. So either way, what do you produce your beats? On? Logic? Logic all the vocals everything, So you do everything through logic.

You don't need pro tools. No, I just haven't entered that yet yet. I soon learned all the those. But hey, man, logic is a lot you know, quiets kept a lot of people only use logic, Like Mike Posner only uses logic. Yeah, I know, te Pain uses logic. He was using garage, but he was making mad hits like on garage. Man, A lot of it says are like on garage. That's wild to think for people who don't know. That's like the free software that comes on your your very limited capabilities.

Like he was making like platinum hits off of that, and like with yeah, with logic, with Yells, I did everything logic, the vocals recorded right into it, right, everything that's huge, like the workflow. Did you did you have a moment at Summer Jam this year? I wasn't there. I was before I performed twice though. Who brought you out? A book? Game making? Right? Oh? Nice? Like that? What was the third? Third time? You're supposed to? What happened

with the third time? Always create another moment with the same vibe? So good? You know what I'm saying, that's going to create the biggest moments in hip. What was that like? Though? Like crazy? Because I've been to Summer Jam three times and it's like people don't who've never been. It's like the energy's crazy. It's like, I've never been

to Summer Jam before this time. I said, just as an artist thing that I was writing and producers, So in my head, I was just like I don't even want to go to Summer Jam unless like I'm maybe you hear your ship that you produced her or you're performing you know what I'm saying, or something like that. Yeah, So like with some especially as a New Yorker summer gym, that's like that's like the Grammys, that's like the Holy grail Man, you know what I'm saying. And it was

like rainy as fuck, right, it was stupid rainy. That's why to perform the third time, And that's why it was fired because when it rained, the festival stage got canced the one outside, right yeah, and everybody was like, oh man, so it's over if it was any because I wasn't. It wasn't no advertising that I was going to perform. Everybody thought I was gonna perform at all. So when the rain started and they canceled the festival stage, everybody thought it was clipped for that I was the

main stage. So that was definitely a good vibe. Let me ask you this, because you seem like somebody who's who's got your head on your shoulders. With the music ship, with the business ship, what I'm sure you could have. I mean, I'm sure obviously having a record as big as this, you probably had crazy leverage with the label situation. What made you want to actually do the major label things you really probably didn't need to. Like what made

you do that? There was just certain things from them that I wanted and it was just that's why it's a joint venture. It was just it was just certain things that by the way, off of one record, not

a lot of people are getting joint ventures. It doesn't very rare, if ever, But I mean, you know a lot once you hear some of the other stuff, like when you here the follow up, I'm telling you yealous like it's dope, But just the intro, just to just to taste were like a lot, and I gave a little preview kind of of what you're about to do it because you heard a little bit. A lot of people's favorite part of Galous is a little three bars where I'm rapping snugget in there. I feel like she sleeps.

There's gonna be a lot more rapping. Not a lot, but you know what I'm saying when I feel like and now people understand that I can tap in when I feel like that, Man, that's dope. I mean, because you can kind of just do what that you could do.

You could do your own hooks and then wrap the verses or wrap the hook and single verses, we could do whatever, and I feel like we're kind of breaking all the rules now, Like hey man, like you said earlier, and I think that the last few years has proved this. There is zero rules to what makes a hit record anymore, absolutely like zero, Like there used to be like, uh, something that you would hear record but that don't sound like a single. And it's like sometimes that doesn't even

matter anymore, you know what I'm saying. We're just trying to again, like I said, I'm trying to create just the biggest moments in hip hop history this decade. So it's like whether who want to call it a record or whatever like that, Like right now, Gallous is a big It's a big moment, a moment. Sure, people are running it back four or five times like that. For my next single, it's going to be another the moment. I'm trying to do that with Slow. So what were

some of those moments for you growing up? Like that you remember like hip hop moments and it was like, yo, that was I remember that the way that felt when it know, it's so crazy. I wasn't I wasn't allowed to be like out like during like those big times, like those big, huge moments, I wasn't really allowed to be outside. I was. I was able to go to a couple of boogie concerts that was like I was. That was a pretty big but I wasn't. I wasn't around.

I wasn't outside for like the like I was around for the tunnel and those type of things that I see those from like the documentaries. So I'm trying to I'm trying to bring moments like that because I feel like I want to see that on my generation, to see that in person. So, yeah, we all just hear about the tunnel. But yeah, I'm too. Yeah I wasn't. I mean obviously not that I'm not. I'm not. I'm probably older than you, but I ain't that old. You

know what I'm saying, Neil, you've been in the tunnel? Never? Okay, should I heard the tunnel? Yeah, that's where it was breaking regularly like that. There's no like place right now where you go if you want to hear like the the New Fire, there's no like one place. Yeah. Well, I mean, from what I understand, the New York club scene is kind of weird since COVID, right like because a lot of didn't a lot of places like not make it like yeah, but it just made the place

that did make it more problem fair enough. I mean, it just is COVID is so weird because it's terribly unfortunately got all the disclaimer, you know what I'm saying. It was a rough year for all of Everyone had a rough year. People divey yes, low key for the industry. At least for me on my side, it was like just the best period that it just because the best thing that could have happened for like my career, because

the whole industry was in the crib yep. And then because a lot of things shut down, it just gave opportunity for just new things to arise, fast systems, new new ways of doing things. Now it's like the old way of doing things that we've been doing for mad long, things that didn't make sense that we were just doing just based off a tradition and just you know what

I'm saying. Now it's like, Okay, let's do would make sense now and now we're wild and now I feel like this new this decade we're about to go into for music, it's about to be crazy. I think too, like guys like yourself, who like handle so much of

the workload themselves. It's kind of like gotta be the new wave man, because like I think, like when you think about how many rappers were really fucking hurting because they couldn't get show money and they only had so much to do with their actual songs, you know what I mean, It's like there's so many other revenue streams if you're handling the beat, if you're handling writing, if you're handling all these other things, where hey, if shit shuts down and you don't got to hit the you know,

the shows, you still got bread coming in sink licenses. Once you learn the business of this music stuff, it's like a big ass game. So it's like then you start learning like what real leverage you have by doing certain things or whatever. Like it's just prior to this record, what was your buzz, like, like what was your like, like how long had you been making music up until it? For a while, But I was a writer and producer for that long, Like I was behind it. You were

behind the scenes, like like who was you writing? Like anybody would know that you were producing and writing for eventually, you know what I'm saying it's not time yet right now. I was there. I like that abode fuck because of Gallus for right now. But but yeah, I was definitely moving and shaking and stuff like that in the back and behind the scenes for a while. But like twenty twenty, I decided to be an artist myself, so I put together a lot of songs I was writing for other people.

I used to do them together and put out like a quick tape real quick, and then a job Gallus and then now some movie. So those other records that you were writing, if we like look up the credits, well, your name will beyond those records. You got your pup rite on those some some some of them and some others. Just so we could all just go search. We could just go search for the credits on a bunch of albums.

Are you still interested in like handling production for other artists? Yeah, Like someone wants to hit you, like, yeah, I need to. I need to beat bro Like let's let's let's lock

in and figure it out. Let's make it makes sense, because you know, every time like producer turned rapper really starts to pop or someone who does both, like I remember when Cole first came out he was giving Kendrick beats Big Krit first came out, Krit was passing beats off to people, Kanye obviously, you know, and then like

they slowly, we slowly stopped hearing their production. I mean, I understand what people because right now it's you know what I'm saying, it's it's a good period where you know what I'm saying, I'm getting to connect with everybody, and it's all you know what I'm saying, it's dope, but it's a collab and you know all that. And then I understand why eventually in your career you might start making music just solely, just like you want to produce to help tell your story. You want to do everything,

just you know what I'm saying. So I understand it why they wouldn't want to give away after a while. But right right now where I'm at my career, I'm trying to with everybody, so including Big Sean and hit Boy. For Big Sean's album De Troy three coming out, I'm I'm pointing, it's all good. No, those guys are always like literally, I feel like Big Sean and hip Boy just live there and then Nas comes over sometimes and then they just make albums and yo, I don't know.

All I know is hip like that chemistry is O D and they haven't really missed it's crazy. So who's your favorite rapper? Ever? My favorite rapper is probably it's weird because I like different rappers for different reasons because I'm not gonna give me three of them Andred thousand, Biggie Wayne all elite or you know, see, just different reasons.

What's okay? Give me the reason for each one. Andre D thousand is like storytelling and like how it like it'd be sounded like he's just talking facts like he just he's just talking telling the story and it's like every Just what's your favorite Outcast album? I don't have a favorite Outcast album? You know what's so crazy? I like feature Andre D thousand, but like album oh yeah, You're wild, I hear. I understand you, and I understand

why people would would argue with that too. You've listened to a Quemini bro just I've listened to a lot of his music. I want to make sure that I really like. So I'm like, man, I love that Walking Out remix that DJ on verse, Man, that shit was crazy. Well have you heard of Quemini. Now nah, this certain artist was like features. They just kind of just be Wow, you give him sixteen in the topic and they just there, Dude, that Kanye Andre song that didn't come out on Donda

would have been the best song on Donda. Did you hear that record that leaked? I did. I thought that shit was gas. That shit was a great Andre verse. That just was. I was like, fuck, man, was that was? That was? That was? You know what I'm saying an interesting decision by Kanye. It was a terrible decision, maybe because maybe the album did what it did because of

the final product that it came out with. You know what, though I appreciate about Kanye is like you never know, we might wake up tomorrow and he'll be like, I added seven new songs to Donda and it's everything we want.

That's why I was so worried when he did all the listening parties, and each time he do the listening party, like the last time, all the ship that like like jay Z's Verse he didn't play, and then the Style ship was gone or the other Lock ship and all the Grizela ship was missing, and I was like, but he put the album out and it just all was. It was like the main it was like a triple disc album or some ship. Like you know what I'm saying. I like the fact that Kanye just does whatever he wants.

I agree with all their toes because we don't know what he's going to do next. A lot of artists, we get bored with them because they are so predictable. We know exactly where they're about to do next. Okay, single single album, we get cool ep. Kanye, he just just doing whatever. Even with the sound. We don't even know what sound to expect from him for the next album. That's some real ship. We really like, we really get

we really get this. Like with that right there, we saw the evolution of Kanye, whereas a lot of artists they age in the game. And Kanye is my favorite. He's He's not my favorite rapper ever, he's my favorite artist ever, artists artists wise. I think he's got the best discography. And you know what's so crazy is like Jesus is probably like my third favorite Kanye album, and everyone always ships on that album. I'm like, Bro, this ship was ahead of his time. Bro's third. Yeah, Jesus

is facts. Jesus is a perfect album is that the one that had doing with Charlie Wilson had black skin head on it and they had blood on the leaves. The Nina Simone sample. Bro, he just hold my liquor. Come on, man, he's finding different because we know we know hip hop, we know sampling, we know the drums that's going to people, cars, speakers, we know this certain standard of hip hop. With him, he's finding different ways of using samples. He's just finding different ways of using

sense and all this. He's experimenting with it. I also think he'd be sampling people, yeah, like the people he keeps around him, like you'll think about aways and heartbreaks. He was hanging out with Kid Cuddy kind of sampled Cutty's whole ship inspired but no, but I mean sampled like in the respectful way. Chance was hanging out during the t L O P. You know what I'm saying, and we got like some gospel. Like I really think he's like mastered that and there's like a talent in

that to where because't growth. I feel like, but I think what's dope is like he kind of is like the think about yuses, Like he was around Travis a lot before we knew the fuck Travis was during those times, and it's like he kind of like introduces sounds to people and they almost got to come through him for them to be commercially acceptable, at least at a certain point.

They did something like that. Okay, okay, yes, you think about like a kidnamed Cuddy mixtape came out and like it did it staying, but it was like underground as fuck, like it was cool. Cuddy was rapping more on that. But then Ata Waits and Heartbreaks comes out and it just kind of made it okay for everyone to use

auto tune again because people are off auto tune. People are people are shitting on t Pain And after Aight o eights, which is, oh, wait, comes Drake, comes, Cuddy, comes, Man on the Moon, comes all this ship that's like just like a tree from a of course, so at Eights was two thousand and eight, Okay, so far Gone was nine? Okay? When was T Pain's album that was like a death of auto tune? Was? Oh, that's death

of Voter's seven six. That's that's that's that's j But what I'm saying is after j that T Pain did with Circus, that joint, Yeah, I can't do it. I think Circus was six ro O seven seven. Look that because was that the beginning of that run? Because that t paint run like, I feel like that's Kanye j. It was a cool It was a it was a cool little alley. But nah, but went in to when wit and heartbreaks happened. That was Hey, what up? Man? We got to interrupt the interview real quick to tell

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York at the time that ship was hold. There was ways to use auto tune that were fire, and that wasn't one of them, you see. And that's what I'm saying, that's the fan. That's just because I'm not gonna lie everything. I'm sure it was a moment. No, I'm sure it was. I mean it was a record that I played on the radio in Phoenix. No, it wasn't just a hot record after that period. There's a lot of people in New York that was sounding like that. So it was like it was just that sound. We liked how he

kind of used it. So it was you mentioned Biggie. Why Biggie. I like his cadences, So he he was one of the first people I heard use like almost Jamaican cadences and flows in a rap. But he just with our lingo, just with the New York lingo, but just the cadences that you hear and like reggae and stuff like that. You heard it in his wrap that you love, like just the certain flows that he was using. It was just like, I feel like his flow. He was just skating on songs, and I feel like he

kind of said he has the best flow ever. That was It's not it's butter Man, you know who I think is only the only person who comes close as far as this Buttery flows man the way Rose be skating on some ship, Rick Ross ship be sounding. So I'm putting Biggie first still, but he Biggie's first, for sure, not and he does. But Ross is the only person who like sometimes he'll you'll hear him on some shit

be like God damn, it's just so he's different. And then you said, Wayne, yeah, because he just just pieing it. He just changed again, like he just really did. What you want, what's your favorite little Wayne album? I probably ask you that, right. I want to say Carter Carter three, And I hate saying because I know that's like everybody like you know what I'm saying. But that album is really low key o D low key. It was actually obviously it's over a million in the first week, but

but you do a million. I like Carter too. I'm a Carter two guy. This is a good album. I love Carter toon man Carter two. But you know what, I'll take all the mixtape weezy shit over all his albums. If I had to make a trade, give me all the mixtapes, keep all the albums. I'm good because I think the last like I don't know how many Carter two was great. I mean the first three Carters were amazing, Like fatherlike Son is very slept on Birdman. Wayne's album

was crazy. It was outside of that. I just I'm not crazy about like any of that. I am not a human beings or the fucking revolver shit or I thought Carter four was some straight mid If I'm being honest, he had better work. Carter five was. You know, you could tell, like, man, Carter five was. There was like maybe a handful of songs that were cool, but like still a little disappointed. Obviously I did one a little

bit more out of Carter five for sure. So then all right, said, I'm thinking about the initial statement with

the mixtape. I'm not gonna lie, and maybe my thing with Wayne is the last time that I really thoroughly enjoyed a Wayne project was nine and that was the first No Ceilings and then I think ever since then, Yeah, I mean, tell me the albums after nine, give me the project after nine, because because Carter three came out in Oha, no Ceilings was nine, and then it was like revolver, and I mean there was like moments versus singles.

There were singles that were cool, like Wayne had some fucking great singles, But like I'm just thinking of the body of work that I really fucking functioned with. It really was. There was really not another body of work that I was like, man, this ship is crazy. There was record and then I'm thinking about it because you definitely opened a different perspectives and then you might be right.

But overall as an artist though, as a rapper, he has to be he like, he has to be like in my top three because of how no. I mean, of course, you know, he He's the reason while everybody rap body wrap fair enough, either him or Keith. Yeah, I think you know, it's so crazy. I feel like it might sleeps on the influence of the future, Chief Key, Future, Yeah and Wayne, Like I feel like this whole generation it's like Chief Key Future and Wayne kids and a

little bit and a little bit of Drake. But basically yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out to Drake. I remember those are paid for like two years where everybody would sounding like take care Drake, I was just doing the singing what do you call it? Over the film. I hear that. I hear generic Drake want to be his every single Like, dude, you know how many times like people come here play me records

and I'm just like, bro, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, this ship is like you should write songs because write songs for Drake, because this is you trying to do Drake. Like, That's why I say it's gonna be a good decade. Because I feel like everybody right now is really priding themselves on just the like individual sounds like I feel like we're about to get I feel like we're slipping into a an error like and yes, I'm staying behind

this too. I'm standing behind this where I feel like tag eventually people are going to stop putting tags on beads. I think that that would be great. Yes, because you're sat now people aren't gonna know you by your tag. They have to know you by your sounds. So now

your sound has to be unique or you're gonna well. Also, it opens up the lane for producers to actually get some looks to deserve it because right now, like I see, especially with these major labels, Bro, I see you with my own eyes, like these motherfuckers are trying to push you to go he yo, you got to get in

with take Keith, you gotta. And I'm not saying that these guys are all incredible, right, but what if there's another guy who's your boy, who's got pro opportunity that has nothing to do with the tag because they had they were playing favorites in the nineties. Two This is you know what you're right? The error though, when you were like, you hear Timbaland, but you know it is a Timberlin beat you knew was Alba or Scott Storcheb.

You would know because it's the keys. So I feel like people are gonna now make their signature be the sound as opposed to just the tag. Mustard had that too, Yes, Mustard. I actually think Mustard is the only person that's had that in a long time because everyone else's should I think is they're all hard, but they could be interchangeable. So yes, Mustard has had his own sound where he didn't have to put his tag. He just did so and shout out to the League of Stars. Low key

they had that sound together, but Mustard was bigger. He had a bigger record. They're from l A. They had some they did r I P by g Z. They did a bunch of records, but they don't get enough like love. Got to show them love because they were doing some shit. When's your album coming out soon? I don't have a date on it yet because I'm really trying to make sure that it's is right first before.

Even this feels like a type of record Drake would have gotten on g Yeah, it just feels like As soon as I heard it, I was like, wow, this is dre here comes just when happened. I mean a there'll be other records and be he did what he did practice with the same sample. What was like, what do you think? Like, you know, obviously Drake dabbles in the Jamaican accents m quite convincingly, but I mean, you

know what his face. At first I was I was on some like oh yeah, Drake doing his fake accent thing, until like you start meeting people from Canada, well Toronto, people don't realize how much of a melting pot just Toronto is. Like they sound like they sound like Harlem featuring Jamaica writing some other like so so it's like you told to other people from Toronto, you'll be like, oh he talks like the city, right, Yeah. I think

that people. I think when people put that label on him, like yo, man, you're fucking appropriate, Like man, you've never been to Toronto? Yeah no. In fact, like if you're not, if you're not a part of that coature, you're not gonna understand it. And no matter how much he tried to shine a light on Toronto, we still only saw Drake, so we didn't also I'd like to point out Drake does a good job of like helping bring up people

from whoever. Like of course, you know what I'm saying, Come on, everybody gets the Drake Cole sign and goes crazy. That's that's like he did a lot for the UK music scene, you know what I mean. Like between Drake and Chris Brown, they put on everybody Drake, I mean, Kanye Kanye and put on Travis put what I mean, and even a lot of people you have put on Chancellor and chances already that motherfucker has like a big five.

It's like it's his strong five. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, But Drake's got like a fucking He's got a whole forest of trees. Yeah yeah, you're right, You're right. Now, Drake's got the you know what's crazy about Drake because

he's put on a lot of one hit wonders. Like if you think of like, by the way, shout out to mcconaan because I think mccona is a great writer, great artists, But like if you think of like the amount of artists like Drake just decided to just tap in on a record with and then like what happened, Like I mean it's it's it's weird. They their biggest song might be this song with Drake, but he definitely

I'm waiting to see what happens with Smiley. They can a little crazy, even with the Maconaan guy that I love. The club going up on a Tuesday. No, he's no. He had what was the record that I don't sell Molly no more? That ship was fire. I think Wiz was on the remix. Now he has some joints. But I just mean like they're going like he did. He gives them the care package. They go crazy and then

they do what they do. Their biggest song might be thee with Drake, so we might say damn they fell off because they don't have another song to that magnitude, but it's the Drake song. No, for sure, we'll listen. Man. I can't wait to hear your album. It's gonna get crazy. I can't wait to hear these because I'm gonna just hit hit Boy and be like, yeah, I'm gonna come to Challis and go see what what this record sounds like? Crazy? You and Blast have a whole album coming out together.

He's dope, fuddy, that's manifesting. He's going crazy blast fifty percent of the beats. He'll do fifty percent of the beat sound a great idea. Blast. You guys are joint tour. It'll be New York to l a big for our coach. That's big for the coachre fucking what not? Yeah like that. Drake's gonna be on the album. Yeah, manifest at all We here, Yeah, yeah, shit me board, I'm here for it. Yeah, that'd be big for the coature. We gotta do something crazy. We got to create the biggest moments in hip hop

history period. I like the way you talk, man, the way you're talking about moments in decades. I love that energy. You have to, bro, have to listen the coach you needed. This is what we need. Yeah, man, that shit is big, bro. So hopefully we are. The follow up singles that coming sooner than I mean there, terribly soon. It's called talk Nice, Talk Nice, so nice. That's tough. Trust me, when you hear, you're gonna be like, Okay, I understand. You know what's crazy.

We haven't had a record like this out of New York. I feel like since Like I Like that was like the number one song in the club since Panda. It's the last time, right, Since New York had the number one song in the club all over the country, I'm not talking about in New York Welcome to the Party. It was not the number one song in LA. It wasn't respectfully Big Drip dow York maybe no, no, no no, Big Drip was not the York. Might have been it

low key, no disrespect. I left out Fat Joe all the way up, All the way up was crazy like that. I didn't I didn't know. I didn't really think about I don't know why I didn't think about it. That was a fucking missile. Missile You still play all the way up now at like eleven forty five and get it off early and everyone crazy. Yeah, so I would say Dior all the way up then Panda yeah, and Gyellous Yeah. I'm glad to be part of conversation. Yeah,

and watch don't we draft the next giant. I'm telling you, I'm well and okay, we're gonna say, hey, man, I believe you. Now. Not everyone comes up here and talks like this. All right, we're gonna see this guy for the next ten years, at least, at minimum, at minimum the next ten years, he's gonna be the new Nate Dog, the new team Pain, the new Puff, the new Tyler Perry, the new Master p. You heard all that. He's gonna be a fucking billionaire opening a movie studio in the Bronx.

They're gonna in the Bronx after him. Come on, she's like that and like that. He's going to be at the battle jumping out on stage of kress One doing Joala's you know, yeah, yeah, what I'm saying so good? Now, that's so good. We don't get put that good o the Caucasian pronunciation. So good. You're actually going to the battle. I'm a thousand percent. Have you met carras One? I haven't. Guys me just post that picture. Please get the photo with kress Oh, of course, let me, but you it both.

Karris One Temple of hip hop. Man, he's a legend, bro. You know he's different him and Big Dad. You know Big Daddy Kane used to fuck Madonna, bro. Really, he was piping Madonna. Madonna like that was like his bitch for like a little bit, and she's in the pop. He was fucking Madonna when she was like the biggest lady in the world as a rap that's dope. I'm not.

He was giving her that cane bro smooth operator bro shout out to shout out to the guy Daddy Caine, a legend too, Yes, sir, anyway, man and you're and you're a legend. Capella Gray, Yes, sir, we're here. Boom