#108 - G Perico

twenty twenty. I hadn't drove it in like eight months, and then I drove it the other day and I had to get a jump, and then this morning it didn't start again. I'm like, fuck, Well, look you're here, man, Welcome, And first of all, you've had an interesting journey in this music shit right, So like originally I remember, you know, when you were starting to Buzz, you tapped in with Fuzz over at Priority. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, the Priority thing

didn't work out at all. I'm not saying it didn't work out Priority Bill, They shit it like went left right, but it helped me a lot right right, like they did good with you. But I just think like obviously Priority didn't last. Priority didn't. That shit was around for like a year, right right right then you end up with rock Nation, which was you know, I feel like rock Nation is an interesting company because it's so great at so many things. But I'm not sure the label

side fits la artist. How was your experience because it was about two years you were there? Yeah, two years? How was the two years over over there? I mean the way I look at it, like, you know, outside of the label, because the label was it was musical chairs, like they was trying to figure out they got They went through so many employees. I remember every like it felt like every nine months there was like everyone the rock Nation got fired and they hired a bunch of

it was it was. It was crazy. Yeah, sooner than that, I went to a few different project managers and so they was trying to figure it that out. But like my whole thing, like I learned so much being able to be over there, because I get to I get to talk to sit in the office with Jay Brown, and I get to sit with Emory like they like every day with Emory though calls every more. I just talked to him this morning, and that's like that's a billion dollar circle. How often do you get to hang

around a billion dollar circle. So I'm like a fly on the wall soaking up game and like that part of the situation was priceless. So so you know, I don't it was great for me. For you getting off Rocktation and deciding to go with Empire going to independent route, what was the deciding point for you? And and were you like did you ask to get off the label? Like how did that happen? Yeah? So, I mean naturally I'm an independent dude, you know what I'm saying. That's

how you got here. I don't like like having to basically asked for permission to do anything, like you know what I mean, because like this is this is art and it's no specific way that you do ship. When you get with a label, you stuck in this, in this box, I'll call it the chain of command that you got to go through this and man, they gotta understand your idea and then you got to go through Its a lot. It's too much, you know what I'm saying. So I never really wanted to sign a record deal

in the first place, you know what I mean. So you know, as time went on, it was just you know, time for me to jet. I asked to go and they real true players. You know what I'm saying. They let me go. Like I was out, I requested to go, and I was out in a week. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think like the type of shit you make, bro, It's like it's like you being independent makes the most sense exactly. You stacking up your catalog. You just kind of keep building on what you have,

that core following that you have. You know what I'm saying, how has it like? You know, the last year? I feel like it's been about what nine months since you've been on the Empire? A year? Yeah? About nine about nine months? Nine months? Yeah? Yeah? So how has that been? October? Ten months? It's crazy, it's October ten months, so we're

going on ten months. How's it been? Man? Because obviously I feel like if the music output has been high and man awesome, bro, like I could see everything and you know the thing with Empire that's dope, Like they get you the rope. You know what I'm saying. You could either hang yourself with it or climb up you

know what I mean. And it's like, you know, when you sign with a major label, right, it go like this, you get your what I should have did when I signed with the major, I should have took my advance instead of going to do my shit and Sean, you know I love cards and shit. Instead of doing that, I should have spent all that money on the music and shit myself and just got the money back from him later. Yeah, because you had to use that budget, and then that budget you got to pay that back

right on top of the advance. And so I should have just took the advance and jump started myself. But see this the thing between indies and majors, well, Empire. I don't know all indies, but like Empire, and then I had a situation with priority. Just the thing like when you sign with a major, they give your advance, but you gotta have some shit going or you gotta have the entire office convinced for your budget to even

open up, you know what I'm saying. So you gotta jump through loops and do a gang of shit to even get going in the first place, even after you signed, after you did all the work and sign for them to approve video budgets and all of this shit gotta make sense. It's so much shit, so much fucking red tape, that you gotta cut through Now with Empire, whatever you fucking sign, whatever your budget is is right there. You could go get straight to it immediately. You ain't got

to waste no time. Now if you fuck it off, that's on you. Now. If you do your thing then I mean naturally, if you're a businessman, you're gonna do your thing. So I mean that's the great part about Empire,

Like they just let you go. Well speak to that, like, because I do think a lot of mistakes that get made is what you just said, right, You got an advance from a major and maybe you didn't spend it in the smartest way, and I'm expluraging, and a lot of people don't realize, like, you know, you get that advance and your music has to make that much money

back times whatever your terms are. Otherwise the conversations get dry and well also also otherwise you're you're not gonna see any money off your music, you know what I mean, Like that's your big nut and you got to kind of make that shit stretch, you know what I'm saying. So what was like, like, if you're if you're you know, young independent artists watching this, what would be some advice

you'd give them? As far as you know, taking the advance or I mean, I would say, like with the advance, invested like straight back in yourself, pay some bills, but invested straight back into the business. Because at the end of the day, if the music not going and you ain't got nothing cracking in the people face and marketing and going, like what that advance mean, Like you got chain and some money and some it means zero, you know what I'm saying. So I would say, like from

my personal experience, I didn't do it. I wish I would have did it with that specific play. You know what I'm saying, it'd probably be a different situation right now. Take the advance and invest it in yourself marketing and promo videos, digital campaigns like spending on that, you know what I mean, and make the label open up your

budget or you know. But it's also crazy too because like once you're on a major label, it seems as if things get everything gets more expensive, everything is more like you go into the studio, Like as an independent artist, you go to the studio. I mean, sure, you could book my studio for sixty bucks an hour with an engineer. They gonna put you at paramount whatever and then you'll see the bill on your and you're like, wait a minute,

how wait what? Yeah? Yeah, it's like everything even the video, it's like yo, like like like I was saying, like, bro, you got here doing doing doing you. You know what I'm saying. You got your own video people you got I mean, it's your city, you know what I'm saying.

So I think a lot of people don't realize, like pay attention to the little details when they do something like hey man, not every studio session needs to cost that's three hundred dollars an hour, because before you know it, you'll be like, uh, they'll send you or you audit the books or ask how much you spent and they'd be like, yeah, one point five million, and you'd be like, wam where the fun where spend? Yeah? How much you spent?

I spent some money. You spent some money, I'm assuming, so let me be cause like, did you recoup it? Rock Nation? Nah? Not all the way did they? But they were cool with just kind of saying you know what. So it's basically like, uh, they got your catalog that you dropped over there. Yeah, not on a few dollars, not a lot though, but you could drop freely now without having to Yeah, I can do whatever. I'm on

solid on their part. Nah, they like. That's like the thing about like rock Nation, like I never have anything bad to say, Like it's dope. People over here like awesome people for sure, you know what I mean. It's just I feel like I just didn't have my thing all the way figured out, and you know, like me personally, when I got something figured out, I'm aggressively moving in

that direction. So it was kind of like I was in limbo trying to I was like a fish out of water in certain situations, you know what I mean. But like everybody over there great, oh Mars Sherry, Like I said, Emory is my guy, you know what I'm saying, So that Emory, I hope one day I interviewed Emory

and talk about his story because his story is crazy. Yeah, you think about like I mean, I guess maybe just the perception of what happened, Like he kind of took it on the chin for hole, you know what I'm saying. So Hope could stay out and do it stay and then he gets out and he's brending Rockney's It's it's so fire. Yeah, shout out to emy. So you've also been like doing a lot just on the entrepreneur ship, Like you launched your obviously you got the shirt on. Yeah,

blue T shirt. Blue T shirts becoming a staple. Yes, this is like the best ship that I fucking created. Bro. I didn't expect it to do what it's been doing. But uh man, this shit is crazy. Yeah for people, I mean, obviously the concept is amazing. Yeah, because you know, for people who don't know your affiliations, they can google them. We're not going to talk about them officially. But it's a white shirt with red lettering, but it says this

is a blue T shirt. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean when I when I started it, I was sitting in the back of one of my shops and shit, and I'm like, man, I want to start something new because the last ship that I had was the way I branded it, it was so limited to my hood at this point that shit is just a click in my

hood at this point, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, Man, what can I do universal to, you know, really get the bag and really get through the people without having to explain a long shit on what this is. And like, this is self explanatory, like however you take it,

you know what I'm saying. At the end of the day, it's perception, but like you know, so many people, uh fuck with it, like you know what I'm saying, like, oh, white guys, young kids, like old ladies, young everybody like you know, gravitates to the to the blue T shirt ship. And when I dropped it, it went so crazy, Like I never had sales like that on anything. You know what I'm saying. That ship was crazy. No, it's it's it's dope because I mean you've got the tattoos, which

is fire. I just think it's simple. It's simple, and it's like clean as fuck to wear. And like you said, like you know, if someone gets it sow way out sweater, that's not to explain. Yeah, you know, you know what I'm saying exactly, Like this is just something where it's like there's probably kids in Oklahoma rock on that shirt right now or some ship, you know what I'm saying. And it's definitely a we gotta we got a nice

little audience out here. Something that I feel like you've done a good job of doing in LA is working with a wide spectrum of artists here, And I want to say you were kind of like the class before the Roucies and the Hikes and those guys like you were active before them in the music game. But I kind of feel like you are a part of that initial class that was like not as divided as we've

seen LA be in the past. Yeah, definitely. And with LA hip hop, there's always politics no matter what happens, right, Yeah, for sure. And you know we've seen street politics equal artists that want to work with each other not working with each other in the past, for sure, you know what I mean. Like I remember talking to c about, like why you never work with Nipsey and it's obvious,

right yeah. But at the same time, like I feel like the new generation of Los Angeles artists, to a higher extent than I've ever seen at least, have done a great job of either putting that stuff to the side and working together or just automatically just tapping in with each other. And obviously there's always going to be some drama, you know what I'm saying. But what is it about LA right now that you feel like has a really united feel to it? You know, naturally, this

is the Gang City, the Gang culture. So like you said, it's uh, you know, people that I run with might not get along with. You know, people that I want to work with run with. But what's going on right now is like a lot of the artists that's up be coming not really gang affiliated to a certain extent, you know what I mean. A lot of people didn't they didn't grow up gang banging or don't really have

like the super gang bangers around in the mix. And it's it's it's just a lot more players, a lot more people about their money, you know what I'm saying, And the ship and I think it's dope, you know what I'm saying. I actually was tripping one day when I when I noticed what was going on. I'm like, shit, everybody working together and it's no problems, you know what I'm saying, which is like never happened out here. Hopefully

it keep going. But hopefully it keeps going. It's just like, you know, a lot of people able to look past it, and then a lot of people like not wrapped up in the gang shit so deep that you know, they letting that shit hinder whatever happened. I wish I was that good, you know what I'm saying, I'm like, I'm

tied into the shit. Like yre's certain people I'm never gonna work with, like and they might be cool or whatnot, but it's just like just like where I come from and the shit that I believe in, it's like, you know, it's or I just got to just know that a person is genuine, you know what I'm saying, Because I don't want to be doing music with somebody and then later on they cool with me, but they on some shit this in my hood or something like, you know,

So I think that's what stopped a lot of shit previously, and what's bringing shit together is like, motherfucker's not really like yeah, like you talk to like like kids and they'll be like, yo, like I really didn't grow up that way. My uncles were or you know, I grew up in an area, but like I wasn't active. So it's a lot easier for me to re across the

aisle and work with you know exactly. And that's dope, you know what I'm saying, because a lot of you know, like over the years, a lot of people didn't a lot of people from the previous time didn't grow up gang banging, but you know, for that image and that certain thing, and it's surrounding people like they let that shit hinder shit, Like you know, it's a lot of It's I can't really name too many artists from Los Angeles right like in the last even in the last

ten years that actually really grew up gang banging, you know what I'm saying, like or in the mix, you know what I'm saying. But you know, Motherfuckers is affiliated and you know, the image and the people around fuck sit up. I mean, yeah, it doesn't hurt record tales for people to believe you're a gang member. Oh that shit is great, especially for LA artists, Like that's what this shit is about, like just the land of the

gang bang here in Chicago, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of you know, also that's unfortunate because you know, like you said, like, I'm sure there's a lot of artists of people who got wrapped up in some shit they never need to get wrapped up into just for just for the cloud or the image,

you know what I'm saying. It's like, you know, it is what I was talking to Whack a couple of weeks ago, and he was like, definitively, like, you know, I could never in good faith tell anybody to get involved in gang shit. You know what I'm saying. I've been there. I took those lumps to be in a position where I could tell people that's not the way to go. Like I'm assuming you kind of feel similar. My whole thing with the you know how I look at it is uh, because the gang is a community.

First of all, who do we just talk to this said gang bang wasn't necessarily a bad or being in a gang rather necessarily isn't a bad thing. Yeah, d Smoke just said, it's definitely and it doesn't start as that, right, It's definitely not because the gang is naturally the community, you know what I'm saying. And you know, everybody from the gang since the beginning of time is not a fucking killer, you know what I'm saying, or or even not people that commit crimes. Like I got big homies

that my whole entire life knowing them. They had jobs and they was family men, but you know, they was a part of the community and they showed they support which is necessary, you know what I mean, and helping like younger homies find their way. You know what I'm saying. Now, if if everybody from the area just decided to, man, fuck this shit, I ain't talking to nobody, I ain't dealing with where does that leave the people that come next, you know what I'm saying. So it's like a real

thin line. But I definitely wouldn't tell nobody to go kill nobody, or go do no shit like that or commit no crimes. I would say, like, all right, if that's where you're from, you know, represent where you're from, But you don't have to be a fucking gang banger. You could be a doctor, a lawyer, fireman, a fucking cop if you want to, you know what I'm saying. But you know, I wouldn't just say like fuck the

hood like that, you know what I'm saying. I would say, like crips and bloods originally started as like community organizations, right like you're like you said, like, I mean, you know that's what That's one way to look at it, you know what I'm saying. But like when you really think about it, like it was like just a gang of young dudes fifteen fourteen sixteen, like doing knucklehead shit

in the community, you know, what I mean. I mean, it didn't start off as some killing shit like we killing each other, but you know it was definitely like always at odds with some type of shit. That's how crip really started, you know what I mean, like it get deep. I don't even want to go into that. But hey, so let me ask you this because this is something I had to learn. Had had to teach me this when I first moved to La. Not what

hats are okay to wear anywhere in La. I know there's only a few La hat Black La black LA heads always like black LA Hat's the only one. But you know, like I'm black LA hat. That's really it. The Diamondback that right there, Uh, Campa Bay TB Santana black you know what I mean, twenty bloods you know what I mean are the Arizona Diamondbacks avalon anthis park.

You know, a black LA had it's the safe, safe bet. Yeah, black La had is probably as neutral as it kid, you know what I mean, at least if you're gonna in the valley. If I haven't had any issues in the valley, Oh yeah, the valley. You know, it's dope about the valley. So when I got out of I got out of prison and shit in twenty fourteen twenty the end of twenty thirteen, I was living in a studio on a hundred nighth in Broadway, and somebody have got a hold of my social and shit. While I

was in jail and fucked my running your show. Nobody would rent me no apartment, like my credit was fucked up. So I finally got a spot a day before, a day before my homie just got off the Feds, Like a day before they took how many homies was it? Seventy two homies to the Feds? Wow? So the day before I got an apartment in the Valley and Sherman Oaks and shit, and basically the Valley is like what kept me out of trouble in the mix and helped

me transition into the music and the business. Because had I studyed in LA, I probably would have like just been in trouble. Yeah, people don't like everyone comes, you know. And it's crazy too because like you know, I was just talking to d Smoke about this. We're talking about how like a lot of people come to LA and they think it's the place where you come get your packs, you come fucking hit mail rows and then you end

up getting robbed, right right. It's tricky. It looked cute, it looks beautiful all here, but it's like everyone does the same shit. They come to LA. They ran a fucking some nice ass car. Yeah, they go to cookies, yeah, and then they try to go yeah they you know, and it's like and then on the other end there's people who move. Everyone moves to the valley. I feel like everyone is either in North Hollywood like like here, but this is a valley where it's not La though,

No it's not. People don't realize that, like, and I think that's like, like you could be comfortable wearing a lot of shit in the valley. I'm not saying that. You know, there's some areas over here shitty in North Hollywood that are sketched. You know, they got some gangster spots, you know, coma obviously van eyes. But I feel like a lot of people don't realize like the level of comfort to just walk freely where certain shit is not the same over on this side of the mountain. This

is actual LA. This is like not this is the free world right here, basically the valley, Like it was like when I got over here. Bro, it was like a culture shock, you know what I'm saying. Like I always stayed like on the outskirts of the city, but my whole life always been, you know, something centered in the hood spots, whatever's going on, whatever we're doing. Like so when I came here, it was like, Damn, this

shit is smooth, you know what I mean. I had the time to like really just figure myself out and figure my thing out. Put you know, LA for motherfuckers that don't know, like LA is basically when you cross I ain't even gonna say Olympic Pico, south of Pico, that's l A, you know what I mean, that's what like north of Pico, Like that's not really not that's like it's nice. Mail Roads don't even count as LA. That's like it's West Hollywood at the moment. Are you

still living in l A in the valley? Now? I got I got a spot in the valley, in a spot in l A. I was gonna say, like, well, not in l A, l A. I got a spot in fucking West Hollywood, right West hollywoods High right now. Yeah, everybody getting robbed over there. You see the video of the guy. You see the video of the guy in the Lamello ball jersey and they try to run up

on him and he was served. I was like, yo, bro, it's it's wild because I feel like like that that that influx of money, that influx of cash in the ghetto, Like it was like I wasn't around when crack came out, but I heard stories. I'm thinking maybe this was similar. Like everybody had a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand, eighty thousand, everyone hit and everybody discovered mail rolls, and now the money is gone. It's like, all right, we over here

hit lah shit. Yeah, you know it's crazy. During the pandemic, like you said, like that Edd, money was that PPP shit was booming. That shit was awesome. Man. I hear a lot of people talking shit and talking down on people that did it. And but it's like, bro, if a nigga was broke, you'll be talking down on them too, you broke ass niggas. Ooh, I'm happy Edd, I'll be hearing niggas saying bitch ass shit like that. But it's like, bro, like what is motherfuckers to do? He ain't selling crack

to your mama. I can't wait to see like in like ten fifteen, twenty years, like the documentary about the pppedd shit, it's gonna be crazy. It's like an era like everyone was riding crazy, everyone got ice right. It's people like I know for a act were like dead ass broke and then like ninety day all out. I'm like, what the fuck You're driving a fucking Badley? What happened? No? Possibly, it was pretty easy, and everything was you got to think about it. The world was froze like I would

work or anything. You know. I had friends who were like, bro, you got an LLC yo, I'm telling you, look, you could get like one hundred K. And I'm like, but I don't. But I'm good. Look, so look that's crazy you say that. I got like four LLC's, right, well a little more than that now, But at the time I had four LLC's and like, I signed up for one and got a proved for ninety G. I didn't even take it though. I'm like, man, I don't even really need that ship. And then I read the stipulations

all my shit legit. I'm like, man, I'm not about to be checking in and nobody for no fucking ninety g He's like it was tempting though I wanted to, but because I just I opened. I just opened the studio in February of twenty twenty, and then the pandemic hit. I mean, our ship was booming because all the studios closed, to at least the major studios closed. Yeah, but we never closed. I was like, I don't give a fuck. I just opened this shit. I invested a lot of

my own money in this place. We're going. We don't have a store front, people don't music not stopping. Yeah, so we thrived in the pandemic. But I was it was definitely When it's that much money and it's that easy to get, it's hard to say no to, which is why I understand why a lot of people did. But I, like he said, I think, I mean a lot of people going to jail now, right, A lot

of people going to gym. And then I thought about it too, like all right, I do one of these like I'm fuck that bro, Like, yeah, no, you were smart, man, I don't want to fuck another car and not already got like four of the motherfuckers. That's basically what that would have been, you know what I'm saying. But like yo, just get a new whip. You say you have a cars like your weakness. What what what is like your prize possession vehicle that you have right now? Probably the

VET the C eight. Is that that new one? Yeah, it's the same with Freddy Gibbs. Probably hasn't. Yeah, yeah he got a orange, He's got the orange rue. Yeah, here's just blue obviously. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, that thing is like the new Qurvette, because like a Corvette went from like being like you could get like a fire one for like seventy five thousand, the new joints are like north of one hundred and Yeah, it's marked up their fire though. It's like you're driving a fucking lambow.

It feels like, Yeah, it's definitely a fun car. But I'm already thinking about a couple other vehicles that i want in the next few months. I'm like holding back from I'll be spending too much money, man, I mean cars are not the most wise investment. Yeah, yeah, so I'm holding back, but I want to get a I mean thinking about getting the may Back, the new may Back.

I seen them, Yeah, the twenty one may Back and like you know what I'm saying, Oh yeah, you're crazy and then be my next It's just gonna be my two veo coach fuck around. Just go buy a house in Santa Clara and rent it out to someone that's much better place to put your back, right. So that's that's what I said. I said, I gotta at least get like this in twenty twenty two. I gotta get at least like two properties before I do any like income property though, yeah, warehouse. I need a compound, y'all.

Rent all these houses and recording and need to get a compound. And bro get a studio. Get up. You should just get one spot where you have your studio. You buy all your machinery to make your own shit exactly. Cut out the middle man man, and then and then once you make all that money back, then go get the may back. Yeah. Yeah, you don't need a maybag man. That shits a I feel like I do. I know you do, but you don't. I've been having this conversation

with my wife all the time. I'm like, listen, our cars are paid off. We're good. Like, if there's what these bitches stops working, we're right right right. The only car I'm gonna fuck off is the Tesla truck, the cyber truck. Whenever cyber truck looks crazy, that will be the stupid purchase I make. That cyber truck is crazy. But like, bro, it's about thirty cars I want, Bro, I got a problem. Yeah, it sounds like so I need to I need to drop a few more projects

and ship. You know what I'm saying. I gonna say, like when you drop music now, like is the first of all have you noticed like a difference in the the like the money you make versus being independent versus you know, because how many projects did you drop on rock Nation? Was it two? Uh too? Yeah? And then you just dropped something that I had about fucking I record so much? Bro, were you able to keep those songs projects? I mean I got them, but they sound

like from that time you know, I hear you. So it's like you know what though, That's something that artists do a lot, is that they'll have songs that are old to them but are still fucking fire. Yeah. Yeah, I probably need somebody to come through and listen to that ship like this. Yeah, that shit happens all the time. Like I like, I like here, like I remember tied all the sign played me his album like two years ago. It was like the greatest shit I ever fucking heard.

And he didn't put it out for like a year and a half, and then it came out and it was still good because he's tied. But I was like swapped. I hit him. I was like, bro, what happened to that? Like the album you played me with one? You were grammy a man? That ship. Man, I'm like, bro, that it'd be like that once you when you in there are listening to it so much, for sure, critique and ship, and you know it gets like that ship. Your own shit gets played out to you before the world even

hears it, for sure. Yeah. Sure you record a lot now, Like are you often? Hell yeah, hell yeah. I keep so. I keep a studio, some speakers in interface everywhere I'm at at my house, at the studio house, h anywhere. I got a studio in Ocean, Saw and Ship. Hey what up man? We got to interrupt the interview real quick to tell you about our family at odd Socks. Now, when I be riding for odd Socks so hard, man, it's because I really love the product. They got the

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why that's big. I gotta get you some water ship some cases come through not Essentia. Yeah, we got we got much better water than that right there. It's called Urban Water Company. Yeah. Yeah, So what's the like, what's the everyone has a like what's special about your water? The pH levels? The or is it just good water? I mean it's like there's water snobs. So we got spring water, alkaline water, uh CBD water. What a CBD

water is like just for us? Basically, Yo, there's some fucking THHC water that I saw at the dispensary and I was like, who the fuck is stupid enough to drink a fucking highest ship bro? Again, you can't. You can't get rid of that high right, drink it. Let me tell you a story about an edible bro to save my life. Like, if I didn't eat this edible bro, we wouldn't be sitting here having this interview. It wouldn't be no gepri eco nothing, so I can talk about it.

This is fucking twelve years right, So we wash about to go hit a lick basically, And I'm not a robber or a jacker or any of that ship. I'm like a hustler, player, pimp, you know what I'm saying, gangster Like that's my thing. You know what I'm saying. I know how to hustle it up. But uh so I was already out of my lane, you know what I mean. But at the time, like I was down, you know what I mean, just took a loss and shit. So we go sculpe the shit out and shit, and

it's like a dispensary before. They was popping up everything. So every dispensary that was around that time was booming. So we go in check it out and dude, give me a fucking a peanut buttered like oatmeal type cookie. That's an edible though, right, And we hadn't stopped and got nothing to eat. We just been on one all day, so I'm hungry as fuck. I knocked the cookie back. It was cookie, knocked the whole cookie back. Right. By the time we get back to the hood, I'm tweaking.

I can't sit still. I'm like, I'm thinking too much. I'm looking at everybody, my mouth white and shit. I'm like, fuck, I'm tripping, right, so I try to lay down. We finally got food. I couldn't even eat. Nigga's like, gee, you treat you acting weird, bro. I'm like, I know this fucking edible. So long story short, they leave out the dog go to hit the lick. I ain't seen them niggas since then. Oh and this was about twelve years ago. I ain't seen them niggas since. I ain't

heard from him or nothing. Wow, you know what I mean? So what happened? Yeah, who knows? What happened to you? The edible saved me, man, damn straight up yup. I had a time where I had an edible that I was only supposed to have like an eighth of but I did the same thing. It was so fire, and I ate the whole fucking edible. I was tweaking, Bro, I was hallucinating. I was uh, I was it was. It was like I was like going to a concert and I was supposed to interview both the artists of

the concert. So I eat the edible and the first it was a yellow Wolf and Rich concert. So Rich is one of my close homies, and so I eat the edible. I don't feel nothing right. So I'm on the bus, I do the interview whatever. I'm like, Man, I ate it. I don't feel shit. Bro, I'm chilling, you know what I'm saying. She's like, cool, I'm about to go on stage. So we go. We going to the show, and as soon as this fool goes on stage,

kick bro. Like, I couldn't move my legs. Bro. My legs felt like I'm like with my boy and I'm like, Bro, I can't walk. My legs feel like they're playing it into the ground. And then every everyone in the in the concert. I could hear everyone's conversation like I could, like it's probably a thousand people at this show. I look across the room and like, hone in on someone having a conversation at the bar in the middle of a concert happening, and here exactly what the fuck they're saying,

Like I had superpowers, yo. Then I look up on stage Rich is performing and next to him there's an animated Garfield the Cat, like a statue with slot machine eyes going through like with dollar signs in his eyes, and I bro I started freaking the fuck out, and then like everything that could have happened that made my life, like like I like, if you were tripping, all the weird shit that could have actually happened in front of

you that night actually happened. Like some Native American dude like walked up on me and started freaking out, like asking me for my photo and started telling me like about his tribe and shit. And this dude was like Native like fucking cat all kinds of fucking shit on his head, and I was like, I didn't think he was real. So I was telling my boy, I'm like, do you see this in front of the guy. I'm like, do you see this motherfucker right in front of me?

The guy's like, I hello, I'm right here, and I'm like, are you real? Bro? It was I was puked. It was the brigain. Yeah, that was the last time I did. I've done edibles in like very small doses, but like that night. And then there was a night me and Freddie did uh. We were in Texas and I did shrooms and an edible and he did shrooms and I thought I thought they were RUMs. Is the shit? No, no, no, for sure, Yeah, I got some shrooms for if you need him. But uh, but no, I did a I

did shrooms and an edible. We were uh. Freddie Gibbs went out there to do Joe Rogan in Austin, so I went with him and we went to a comedy show and I was like, you know what, Joe Rogan's coming. I started doing shrooms because of Joe Rogan. I was like, fred let's eat some fucking shrooms. So we fucking each take like we eat a lot of fucking shrooms. But I had also eaten a lot of edibles. Like I was just on some fucking shit. I was out of town. I was drinking. I was eating that, bro the worst.

It was like the most paranoid, freaked out night of my life. Bro. We're in this fucking bar on Sixth and I thought that these dudes were gonna kill Fred. I was like, he says, some ship in my ear, like hey, and this all happened, Yo, Watch the motherfucker's over there man. Wow man, Bro. And you know when Fred when he's drunk, he's wild man. He's drunk and on shrooms. And so he's like, Yo, I'm gonna go peep the back door of this bar, make sure we

got an exit route. And I'm like, so he's telling me that there's some dudes like Iron eyeing him right, and we're in Texas. I don't know no bunny in fucking Texas, And all I could think of was, Fuck, we're gonna die like Pop Smoke died. We're gonna die like Pop Smoke died. And I'm gonna be with this motherfucker. I might die too. Bro, I'm like losing my fucking bud. And I'm like, Brian, Brian Moses is our homies, a comedian. I'm like, Bro, did he just tell me to look

out and this guy is not doing ship. I'm supposed to be like his muscle. I'm like, it's me and him and a girl. And I'm like, so it's on me to like, I'm fucking tripping balls. How am I supposed to help in this if we get into some ship, I'm in no use here. It was. It was a terrible night, but yeah, edibles for me after that night, I'm good. Shrooms. You fuck with shrooms? Yeah, well, I

got too many shrooms one day though. I took too many strom in a shower, right, and I said, I'm gonna I'm gonna stop taking them broke, because I see how people get spacey off of that ship. Right. I'm in the shower and I got the face towel in my hand and I looked down at it and I was like, man, people treat me just like this face towel. You know what I'm saying, Just use me and throw me on it, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, wait,

hold up, bro I'm fucking tripping. Yeah. Nah, you know, shrooms, Uh, they're changing. I mean people like if you if you do that, have you heard of doing a hero's dose? A heroes though, how much is that? It's supposed to be at least the eighth but I think it's two eighths. Yeah, I've done hero dose. Yeah, if that's what that is,

I think it's two eighths. That's a lot. And it's supposed to be like like the changing your life amount of shrooms, Like you do it and you just like work through all the problems in your life, like it's yeah, it makes you like it kind of makes you a little too calm sometimes for me, Like I don't like being that calm. What got you in? What got you into doing shrooms? Because most rappers are very uh they

think it's like meth. Like if I bring up, like, hey you do shrooms, a lot of rappers like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Broh. I'm like, bro, it's not. I didn't ask if you smoke crack. So I walked into Uh, I walked in the studio one night. Well I had been seeing it around and shit, I walk in the studio one night with my partners and shit big they big dudes too, and everybody in there got sunglasses on and shit right, and I'm like, damn,

what's going on in this motherfucker? Right, And I'm used to being around like I grew up on the East Side. I'm used to motherfuckers being on coke all the whole shit. So I'm like, damn, maybe everybody up in here on blow or something, right, And like somebody said something and everybody just started laughing and it just turned in. It was like super quiet. I guess people was quiet because I walked in and I'm like the sober guy. Yeah,

and then they said something. Everybody started laughing and they're like, yeah, we on shrooms, whoo whoo. So I took a little piece and I didn't feel I was scared though it took like a super small piece, didn't feel anything. So like, as months progressed and ship like I'll be taking more and more. And then that last time I took so much like I was fucking tripping. It was awesome, though, but I don't think I could be that cool. Have

you heard of d MT? Nah? So DMT is like that's the closest thing to looking like smoking crack, but it's so. D MT is it's a molecule that your brain produces when you're born and when you're dead, so when you die, DMT gets released when you when you're born, it gets released. So there's a frog that sweats d MT that's based in the in Arizona, the desert right right, So they take it off a frog, so and then they actually the obviously, uh in the Amazon the frogs

there as well. But you smoke DMT. You have to freebase it though, so you literally have you literally have to smoke it from out. You literally have to smoke it from a crack pipe just you know, obviously there's no crack, but it is like, uh, you smoke d MT, you hit the you hit the pipe, and then you're just you're just gone for fifteen minutes in another planet.

And people say that like it expands your mind to like realize like how small in the world you are, Like it opens like a portal to like it's I fucked that because it's like once you certain people get too smart and then they just like hear like it's the purpose in life and things that they need to do. Just like I feel like, I mean, you might be down for DMT though in the right in the right setting, I'm kind of like not like super heavy on shrooms,

Like I don't trying them. A couple of times did a lot one time and was like, yeah, I'm kind of cool, but like, I don't, bro, I feel like that shit just I like grew up around drug addicts. I'm from the ghetto. You know what I'm saying. Everybody is a fucking addict to something. Alcohol for sure, for sure, coke uh weed as like recD weed is nothing that don't feel as far as like so it's like, bro, certain drugs that take you somewhere and open your mind

up and bring you somewhere. I feel like it kind of like steals. It's still your passion for whatever you're trying to do, like you just fine with existing. However, that's just me from the outside looking in at certain people that I know like that just found that special place in the world, Like it's just happy and cool and fuck that. I still need my motivation. Yeah, I'm tripping, like fuck this, we gotta get this done. And you

know what I mean, I need that. Talk about your relationship with Grido because you obviously you know all three Grito's got twelve thousand songs that no one's heard yet. Free my boy Grito, So me and Greedo got a whole project together, right, So when Greto was because you know, Greto been out for a long time. Yeah, for a long time. He's been out for a long time. But when he started blowing up as Greto and like, motherfuckers was only you know what I mean? Uh, I remember

he was talking that shit, y'all. I just did twelve songs today. I did twenty songs today. So I'm like, the next time we get in the studio, like I'm competitive, you know what I'm saying. Like that's how the g Worthy project came about. We would talk about that, but like when we get in the studio, I'm like, man, this is motherfucker not about to run circles around me

in here, you know what I'm saying. So every time a beat came on, I'm trying to rush into booth because he just he here the beat and he just casually walks into booth and comes out in five minutes with the shit done, you know what I'm saying. So when everything come on, I'm trying to in there, you know what I mean. And we at the end of the night, we ended up with a project. One of the songs came out on first A good Job First,

FK first he dropped. He dropped one of the songs that we did that night, and we still probably got about like fifteen songs in my computer and shit probably dropped some more of that ship. But that's basically what that so his creative processes. Have you ever seen anyone record that fast? Because I mean from what ts tight no TK was telling me, Like the amount of songs

he has, it's insane. Yeah, Like it's almost like you don't believe it until you see, Like damn, I like this guy drops music like still out in the machine. I think he just learned how to just have a conversation, not like he just learned how to be like one with the music, if that makes sense, Like because like he bro he's I know for sure he's not thinking hard about nothing. The beat come on, he talked, and ship, yeah walk in and then walk back out like you

know what I'm saying. The only time I seen him like like pressure and that ain't even pressure was like when he pressing the engineer like give my ship. Sounded right, like you know what I'm saying. But outside of that, he like that niggas like water, like just what are you? The joint project that you're sitting on. Is there any sort of idea when that's gonna We've been talking about it, and she's on your album a couple of times, right, Yeah,

he on there. He called me one day and Ship and and he's like, man, put out some of that Ship. And I thought about it, So I took jay Nauri actually took a piece from one of the joints and mixed it in and too sexy and and uh, we just had a conversation and Ship. We was talking. I'm like, I'm gonna record it, you know what I'm saying. And we just talking Ship, and I chot pieces from the conversation and put them inserts on certain songs and Ship, how's he doing? Uh? You know, how's the spirit? Bro?

He fucking he better than me. Put it like that. I'm not stressing. He popping that shit. He talking like he out on the streets, you know what I'm saying. So I know when he get out, he's not gonna have a problem getting straight back into it. Like he like a special, one of a kind type motherfucker. Like I ain't never seen nobody like him, you know what I mean. Yeah, I thought one of the doper moments that I saw kind of the original verses was him and RJ and nobody got hurt at the Novo. Yeah,

I was fire. That was fire. That was super far and he woke my game up about a lot of shit too, like what just basically like, uh, just me being like back to like being a fucking gang banger from the streets. Like sometimes the uh, the mentality of that a carry over into this. But this ain't that, and that ain't this, you know what I'm saying, So like being able to free entry the twol you know what I'm saying, is real difficult. That's why you don't see a lot of artists like myself or with the

background like myself cracking or on the scene. It's because their eparate. It's too fucking real, you know what I'm saying. And it took a while for me to understand that, Bro, this is entertainment. All these niggas doing this shit, these niggas cripping extra hard and blooding extra hard. It's a costume. It's for the you know what I'm saying, so like and me coming from the real life and like shedding

blood for this shit. Sweat tears years of my life, you know what I'm saying, actually putting in work for the ship and like living it. It's like, you know that part of me is hard to turn that part of me off and accept they're separate. Yeah, accept the entertainment aspect of it. Like motherfucker's acting super hard and like they this and that, you know what I'm saying. So that's why a lot of like real ones not

in a mix, you know what I'm saying. So I've just been learning how to accept it, you know what I'm saying. And you know that was probably hard, like because you're very difficult. You get into the hip hop world and like you said, there's a lot of perceived

gangsters involved, but it's separate, right. It's like, look, there's the entertainment industry and then there's the other shit, and it's hard to mix both and make it because I mean, really, you're more of a target when you become a public figure, you know what I mean. For sure, you're more of like you know, I mean, shit, all the rico shit that's happening, all the fucking that shit is so that

shit is so fucking spooky, bro, it's insane. They could just snatch you up and say that you're doing some if they feel like it, say you're doing some criminal shit, Like who really, what successful artists or successful business man really has time to run a function in street gang or street activity. Like now, if you got tied to this shit, you can't help that. And then nine times out of ten, you're not gonna turn your back on

your people. So yo, Like my presence, my presence in the street life right now with my homies and shit is just for sheer motivation and like, bro, we need to be doing this, this and this fuck that it's no life into the shit that's been going on for I just told my homie the other day, Bro, like one of my young homies, like, Bro, you're not Bro, You're not gonna be special or do anything different, or you're not gonna be who you want to be doing the same shit that been going on in the hood

for the last fifty years, you know what I'm saying, Like, Bro, we got homies from since sixties seventies that kill niggas and do the crazy shit and go to jail forever. Like what makes you think that you're gonna stand out and be special doing the same exact shit and we know that outcome. Bro. Yeah you already seen this movie play out. There's people who did this for you just to show you like, yeah, yo, it's decades of seeing

it though. Bro. We got hundreds of homies, maybe a thousand homies in jail with life and like they wish they wouldn't have did this shit. So it's like, bro, and that's why that's why my transition into this shit, Like sometimes it's difficult, but when I look at that, it's like, all right, I could be doing this and be stuck in and out of prison. Who wants to do that? Who gives a fuck about that? You know what I'm saying. It's like, all right, do something different?

What can I bring different to the hood. So my presence is bringing that different shit and making it cool, Like all right, let's do music, let's do clothes, do all right? You water? You don't rap? Or yeah, water, you don't rap? All right? Uh, you don't even want to be in the entertainment shit. Okay, it's real estate, it's other business shit like, and it's fine. You steal a homie, you still cool, Like fuck with niggas talking about you know what I'm saying. You know what it is, manute.

I think it's a lot of it is there is feeling like you, like you, everyone is guilty of trying to fit in, trying to fit in and being and feel like they're included. And I had to I had a difficult time with that ship when I came into this because you know, naturally I'm in the forefront of all the ignorant shit, and then when I transition over, now I'm missing it and I'm not there, and then it's people saying slick shit when I ain't around, like

that shit. Was very difficult transitioning over and being able to accept it. But it's like, once you get over into the transition, it's all worth it, because motherfucker's gonna follow success and want to be like success regardless, you know what I'm saying. Was it hard also to ignore when you hear someone saying some wild shits, Very fucking difficult because you got a lot to lose while the

motherfucker probably talking crazy and got shit to lose. Bro Very difficult, and I had to realize that, like, all right, my contribution to the area, like there's always been one million from the jump, you know what I'm saying, like I keep spot for homies to go to and shit for people to go to. So nine times out of ten, somebody lending a negative opinion about me ain't even had any contribution to the area in a positive or negative way, like in any type of way that makes a difference anyway.

But yeah, that shit was like super difficult for me to uh, I hear all that shit, you know what I'm saying. And at first it was super difficult to turn the other cheek because I'm used to the action, like nigga, what's happening? But bro, I worked entirely too hard and you got a lot more to lose. Man. It's and it's not only me. Yeah, it's like a

lot of people. Partner that's working with me, and he putting in these fucking hours with me, you know what I'm saying, and other people that believe in me and might be invested, and they got families, and so it's bigger than me at this point. So for me to go backwards and do some dickhead shit not only like fuck letting people down. I'm I'm fucking people shit up, you know what I'm saying, And you know, people could

be anywhere it's a big world. Like it's so many different ways to make money, and like the music game is like worse than a fucking Loto. You'll win a lot over before you fucking be big. And this ship, you know what I'm saying. So, you know, I think about that too. That's some real shit. There's so many rappers. I don't know. I think it's Spotify. There's like I forget how many songs a week it uploaded. It's something,

it's something ridiculous close to them. It's a few hundred thousand, it's a lot, and you gotta think like, okay, and being able to cut through that, like to even be in the top couple hundred people or the top thousand people, like that's fucking huge. Yeah, that's that Shit's it's almost impossible, right, Yeah, talk about the g Worthy shit? G Worthy? Oh yeah, so the g Worthy that was another night that was crazy.

So when I walked in, we walked in the studio and I was like, I had like a cold, so I got night whil trying to like open my shit up, you know what I mean. And then as soon as I walk in, this was the first night I met Cardo. We've been talking on the phone and shit, you know, Cardo he up on everything new that's up and coming, anything that's a thing, Like he just got some sense on how to like, Oh yeah, that's so he up

on everything new. So this was my first time. And then just meeting them as soon as we walk in jokes bagging, I felt like we've been knowing each other for years, bros, you know what I mean. And Jay Worthy had already started on a song, so the competitiveness in me woke up inside. I'm hot, Oh this nigga? What all right? So now it's like we basically in my mind, I didn't say it out loud. I don't know what he was thinking, but every time something come on,

I'm trying to get on there first. That's why sometimes you hear him first, sometimes you hear me first. That's like who ate. At that time, I was still riding my wraps. And then while we're doing this Cardo, Polyester, Diamond Ortiz, they over there making the beats. So we did all all that ship in one night one night, and the next the next day we did the album cover.

You know what I'm saying. Wow, So this was like a one night process, you know, what I mean, and we was just all in there, just were joking, having a good time, but just the aggressive competitive spirit was also there, and that shit was till this day. That's like some of my top streaming ship. That's what everybody you know a lot of Yeah, Cardosh got had a great run just doing full projects with people and yeah, you know, running it up Larry. He just drops up

with Larry June, right, that's Friday. Yeah, Cardo was amazing. Man, he just he got something about him. Man. Yeah, Cardo, you know, I think he's under appreciated too. We talk about the best producers. Yeah's Cardo definitely up there. He's up there for sure. Who are you a fan of right now? In LA? That's that you're maybe not you know, did you just not anybody who's maybe under you, but just someone who you just can acknowledge, Like, man, I really fuck with their ship. I mean I'm really I'm

enjoying the whole LA scene right now. Like I love what uh, I love what rumble like rambles fire like rumble like rumble like definitely like like Draco came and changed the game, you know what I'm saying, And then I feel like rumble was taking it to like adding his twist on it. You know what I'm saying. That got everybody rapping like him, Like love what Rumbo doing. I love what Draco doing. I love what Rouchie and Shike doing. I love what a man. It's so many

people like right now on the come up. That's that's out here far oh g Z killing you know what I mean. I hate starting to name names because you know what I mean. But uh, like I'm just I'm really a fan of the whole city, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm for the just La ship, Like I'm like a diehard La nigga. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's crazy, Like Draco, like the output he has is also insane. Yeah, I don't even know how many he got out last year. We interviewed him like a can'tgu

I don't even think he meant on for a year yet. No, he hasn't and he's put out six albums. It's fucking insane. It's like Jesus man, Guys, it's a lot. I hope him and We're gonna have Hiking Broutchi up your next I hope they figure out their issues, you know, because I was like, the first body make more money that way? Hey for sure, man, what is next for you? Man? Uh? I got a lot of it. I got a few things on my sleeve, you know what I mean. But

more music, another project. So like with the everything that I'm in dropping, I ain't even really spend no money on marketing at all. So the top of the year, we're just going crazy heavy marketing. I'm opening up, I'm spending the budget, you know what I mean, the top of the year. So we're just gonna finish off the year probably another project or two. I got something the collab project besides the Greed. Do you have any other

any other artists you want to try to collab with them? Yeah, it's a it's a few people that I'm working on and working with, you know what I mean. It's gonna be dope when we when we announce it and ship, you know what I'm saying. So, I mean next year, I just wanted to just level everything up and then I've been shooting these short films and ship. So I got a couple of short films that I'm about to drop. Oh fire, Yeah, I want to get into the acting. I did a couple of movies. Uh, I did like

two movies last year. I did a movie this year, you know what I mean, like some actual real movies. You know what I mean? Are you getting like what what? What kind of roles is are you getting? Like type casted is like the game. Yeah, the first ship I did was a It was type cast and they had me being I kind of hated it because it's like you got me playing a La dude like I'm at I'm like the epitome of La gangster. Like you don't got to tell me what to say, like that's what

you do. Yeah, I'm gonna give you the raw, uncut shit. But like the last movie that I did was U and I think it might turn into a TV series, So I'm gonna be a real current character. Yeah, fucking Vanessa del Rio, which is like one of the first ethnic porno stars ever, Like before her, it was nothing but white girls and shit. She like Afro Latina from out the seventies, like just doing like crazy porn and should do some research. So yeah, I'm in her bio

pic and oh ship, Yeah, oh that's fire. I'm in our bio pick. It's like some pictures floating around and that they promoting the movie where I got the afro and the bail bottoms and ship. So that might be that might that's the one that I end up being a series. Yeah, that's fire. Yeah, that's an interesting story. Yeah. So you know, I'm in there doing my thing, you

know what I mean? And uh, yeah, I'm in there doing my thing and uh and then the ship that I'm working on, Like, I got a couple of movies just like type Cast, and then I got some you know that I want to expand on that because I really want to do this acting ship, bro, you know what I mean. Yeah, we just watched you Smoke video the other day. You were in it. That's the longest video I've seen a long time. Yeah. Yeah, I was fun when we did that video too. Yeah, everybody was there.

You are j I was like like, this is fire. What your like relationship? Did you have a relationship with d Smoke prior to him obviously getting the notety from being on the show. Yeah, So D Smoke actually box at Broadway Boxing Gym, and you know that's where my studio was under there and my first store was also up under there. So I met him like years before he blew up. And I didn't even know he was talented like or sung or anything. I just know he was a boxer. Nigga. That fuck nigga's up, you know

what I'm saying. And I remember you had a boxing match like one day that I had to pop up down there and ship and he kicked somebody ass, you know what I mean. And then I don't know if they want us to say this yet, but me, d Smoke and David Gross actually owned that building. Now, oh congrats and in the boxing gym or spoiler alert, I hope they're not mad at fire Yeah, so we uh you bought the building so yeah yeah yeah, and we we own a Broadway boxing so it came with a business.

So now you smoke business Parders yep. Oh that's fire Man yep. And the crazy thing like we were speaking on it like bro, like if the opportunity ever present itself, I love to own that building. He liked me too, And the opportunity presented itself like sixty days later, Wow, and we in there, you know what I mean. So the building that means a lot to both of you guys. Yeah, super, because I changed my whole life right there in that building. Like from a hunt from the valley to one hundred

and eighte every day. That's where I transition into all right, out of having to do criminal ship, Like all right, and now I'm creating opportunities for people in the area. You know what I mean. Scrats, Man, that's huge. That's what I look. You know, that's a that's a nice investment. That's not a that's not a may back. It's a super dop investment. So and that's why I say I want to give me a may back. Man, He's like, yeah,

I made a good one. Now immunicate bad. But but yeah, I'm definitely gonna uh looking to grab other properties and shit, like I gotta I got like a nice I think this is the first time of my life, Like I got a like serious future plan and it's actually like beyond possible. But the numbers is so big and crazy, like it's like I'm in a great position right now. Yes, man, congratulations, uh looking forward to the new music. Yeah, and man, thanks for pulling up man, thanks for having me