#107 - Icewear Vezzo

apartment or your first house. It's crazy because look, when you are ex signed to a quote unquote major right you got out, you know, you did the major shit, you ran around, you know, but it's like I feel like somehow it held you back, absolutely because I wasn't doing the shit that I wanted to do. And just I feel like, you know one thing about it. Every artist know what's best for them. That's the thing that's what labels managers my fucking pr Everybody got to understand

that about artists. We know what's best for us, we know what we want, we know what worked for us. We pay attention to ourselves more than anybody do. So you got to think we're dealing with a major, you basically going to a motherfucker who from the outside looking in and like, all right, you should do this, you

should do that, you know what I mean. It's like telling somebody that's like somebody who didn't raise you, telling you what's best for you as an adult, Like you got to where you were by doing something, and it's almost like once then you then you get on board with a major, and then they don't want to They're asking you to stop doing what got you there, And logically it doesn't make sense because like what I've been doing obviously got y'all interested, So the first we stopped

doing what got yall attention, it don't make sense, you know what I mean. I feel like the labels should just give input, pay for the ship they need to pay for, and do the bigger level shit and let us run. Let us run, let us under our music and the way we want to market ourselves. Those motherfucker ain't doing no dumb shit, you know what I'm saying,

And so that matter. Yeah, I feel like since you've got nothing mad, like like you said, nothing's holding you back, You've been just dropping NonStop, and that's really that's what I mean, you want the hottest artist in the game right now, and that's based on you, absolutely, your work at the your output. That freedom. Freedom is like, Man, this shit don't cost me nothing. Feel me like, all right, you know I handle my business with the producer so

that that process is easy. You know what I'm saying. We got social media which is free. Instagram ain't charging no monthly fee. That ship is free, you feel me. So it's like just even having my YouTube free, so I ain't no point in holding nothing. Ship is all free. When I'm gonna sit on this shit and think too hard about it, folks overthinking, We overthink it. You people

overthink shit way too much. If they don't like it, do some more shit, Just drop some more and that's just the piece of more piece of your independent catalog. Can't lose fans from dropping too much music. You lose fans from doing dumb, goofy shit. You lose fans from sitting on your hands too long, and then they forget about you. It's key. Do you feel like you had to win some fans back? Absolutely? I had. It went on my fans, but every single one of them motherfuckers

all up. I feel like they stopped believing that I was hungry, and I was hungry in the bitch. You feel me like Nigga's starving, like I want this shit, but in they mind, just me moving on that major level and doing shit that I really didn't align with. You feel me made don't feel like how this nigga made it? You know when people here, you got a record deal, that's like hearing a nigga just went to the NBA or the NFL. You feel me. So they automatically feel like, alright, he made it, you know what

I'm saying. So yeah, most definitely I had to get all my fans. Yeah, I think like I think that that also is like a myth that's finally sort of like slowly going away. Yeah, because a lot of artists like it's a it's the biggest mistake they could ever make it signed into a major and they making that shit vocal. You know what I mean, A lot of

artists is being real vocal about not going to no maze. Man, how important it is to have independency and you know, move and be hands on with your ship, you know what I'm saying. So definitely that that that's that thing kind of going out the window you mentioned obviously handling everything within your team in house, yourself, working with the producers, yourself, figuring figuring out how to get them situated yourself. So how what's the distro? Is it tuned? Core? Is a distro? Kid?

Is it? Like? How you doing the distro? Founde? Some media shout out to found shout out to the homie league out the lead at least solid all the way up and down, just one hundred, like he understands. It ain't no, it ain't never no debate, It ain't never no argument or no back and forth. He don't try. He like, listen, man, this is the one to dude, we're doing it. Fuck it like he feel like how we feel about it? What we got to lose all? He says, stay consistent, keep putting that shit out, stay

consistent with his music. So he get it. That's the only way too, man, Because you know, if you think about like your lane, right, it's a very crowded lane for shit, so like and so you you in order for you to stand out, you gotta gotta do the most. You gotta keep pressing, pressing, pressing, blade pressure. I ain't no antis type person like I ain't with antis and gimmicks like I don't do like goofy shit, goofy lane man ship, I don't do. I don't not be myself.

I don't get on the internet posting guns and ship like I'm a real street nigga. I really come from that. You got niggas that start rapping and they try to run to the streets. You got real street niggas that start rapping and leave from that ship like them niggas going there. I'm going here, y'all. Go ahead, all right, I know, I know all that's about. Go ahead, you feel me. I ain't with none of that lane man ship. I ain't with no I ain't doing no rap bef

for no niggas. I'm not doing no all that this. I'm not doing none of that ship with none of it with nobody. I ain't with nonheing of that. So for me, it's just strictly music. That's all. That's all I can provide to the rap game is music that

wasn't say was that hard for you? Because obviously Detroit at the moment is one of the more popping scenes in hip hop, and I do feel like right now at least it seems as if everyone who's popping out the city for the most part, are kind of moving in the same direction as to where in the past it felt like there was a lot of friction between a lot of the popping artists in Detroit as to

where now. You know, I know there's different sides of town, but you know, between yourself, Baby Face, Ray Pedro, Giovanni Peasy, you know, uh real, the young og is obviously from Flynn, I believe, right. I just feel like it seems like Detroit, whether or not, y'all are like hanging out together. That's

not what I'm saying. It just seems like there's a movement, and it seems like it's at least in a respectful way as opposed to you know, because I feel like that might kind of been the issue with Detroit in the past. I know it was. It was it was the friction, It was the misunderstanding, the lack of communication, you know what I mean. Like, I don't think that some of the brothers before us felt as if it

was enough money for everybody. We get it. We know it's enough money for every motherfucking body, like, and we all got the same content. Basically, we rap about the same shit we rapped on the same beats down there, like and if it ain't the same, but we're still talking about the same shit, just in different ways. And everybody succeeding that. So that just show you it's enough money, it's enough opportunity, it's enough listeners and follow us for

every fucking body. Everybody in Detroit rap scene got a relationship somehow, someway. Everybody know each other. Some niggas might talk to might not talk to the next nigga. Some you heard some niggas entries may not. However it is it's still an understanding, like we're not gonna embarrass this bitch, though we ain't gonna make it. We ain't about to look bad for the seeing. We all feel like that. For you, did you have to get past like that

mentality ever, cause like obviously you got locked up. You know, there's no questioning what you know, your credibility in the streets and shit, But it feels like you're all the way in on this rap shit. And I feel like that is the difference because sometimes man, like you can't be nine toes in the rap shit and one toe

back in the street shit. That's why I went to the fist, you know what I'm saying, So, like, what what did it take for you to get mentally past that mind state where you, you know, gave a fuck about the petty shit, or would participate in certain share or let maybe shit that would bother you maybe five years are going not bother you anymore. It took for me to lose absolutely everything I had. It took for me to lose people that I love, It took for

me to lose opportunity. I literally went flat and fuck broke. You know what I'm saying, hundreds of thousands, like we ain't gonna talk about no amount or no I don't even nigga has some papers. So you know, I lost a lot of shit. And it took it took that for me to understand how pride really worked and how you know, understanding work kind of self preservation work. You know what I mean. It took for me to to It took for that for me to understand that I'm

a man. I don't given fuck with no nigga think about me. I already got it. I got an old lady. I don't care what no I'm not. You heard I rock. I rocked that way. So I don't fuck what a nigga think about me. But it took for all. It took all that for me to understand that, and the moment I got that understanding, shit elevated for me. Financially. I got more money than I ever had. I never I never. I always knew I would have this type

of paper, but I just didn't really see it. I ain't never had the type of money I got, especially like then, like nigga was hustling. I thought I was rich back then. I got real money. Now, I mean, now you got something to lose, right. I'm not to say you never had that before because you lost it already, But now you know that. I didn't know what I had to lose until I lost that ship. That's like losing a good bitch and you ain't know she was

a good one. It was too late, and another nigga get it and show how to have it her, Like you know what I'm saying. So yeah, like I got a lot of shit to lose, I got the same thing to lose now that I had then. It's just I appreciate it more now I have family. Then I had a child, Then I had a rap career in I had businesses then right I lost that ship. I ain't appreciate it. I appreciate that shit, nah, I think like you know, like I said, man, it's clear you're

doing better than you've ever been. But you got the blinders on and you're working hard. I mean, man, you're working your ass off. Talk to me about rich Off. Pint's the first one. Obviously a huge I mean the sequels coming out tomorrow. But that project I think really solidified a lot for you. I think it did, too, went up. I wasn't even expecting it. Like that was around when I dropped rich Yard Points too. That was that point where that was the first project I dropped

when I left MO time. And that's when I said, you know what I don't I'm I'm only making music for me. I'm making the ship that I'm gonna listen to. And I get in my car, I want to listen to the ship that I want to listen to on a plane, like cause I'm looking forward to for other niggas to make the music that that that can motivate me. I say, you know, I'm motivating my motherfucking soup. So that was the record where I stopped overthinking. That was

the album. I stopped overthinking and I started having fun with that ship, and I think that's why the outcome was what it was. So I really learned to don't don't, don't, don't overthink it and not be in it for for for the certain ship like I'm not in this shit for money, no for no more. And at that time, I ain't had what I got right now financially, so you know, nigga ain't get some money and they'd be like, nah, I ain't working for the money. I wouldn't. I ain't

had no real paper. Then you know, I went in the streets when I dropped rich out Planks too, you know, it was all still rap money. Yeah, So it was just that shit taught me a lot, just moving that way, not being in shit for money and stream almost like yeah, like you when you do things and the motive is I'm chasing a hit or I'm chasing whatever's hopp I

think this is what's gonna work on Spotify. That ship for the most part, never works out, but when you just stay true to yourself motive genuine you always win. I just learned that. I learned that shit with experience, because I feel like there was like you know, when you were on Motown, it felt like, you know, you come up to the mixture meeting a couple of times and it's almost like we got to chase a hit, so these motherfuckers are let me drop music. It was

like shit, I was exactly what it was. I got to hurry up and get these folks they want so I can do me. I was chasing the hit. I was in that ship for success. I was in that ship to take care of my family, to get money and get rich. I had that on my mind every day. I woke up and I strived as a rapper. I gotta get rich. I gotta I gotta make myself a millionaire. I gotta do this, I gotta do that. I gotta get I gotta get these trends. I need to go gold. I need to go plan them. I gotta be big

so I don't waste this opportunity. I got this with this record label and the moment I once they got out the situation, all that shit went with it. I let all that shit go. When I let that shit go, you heard so, and the outcomes just is amazing and it still is amazing. I'm still growing, Like I got a long way to go from where I want to be.

I got extremely long way to go. Like you look at a lot of a lot of my peers in the rap game, and I ain't just saying niggas from the trade just street artists over overall guys that wrap about the street. His niggas really turn niggas. Got a hundred million on this bitch, I got a long fucking way to go. Well, also a lot of these guys, I mean, obviously you gotta, you know, up the scores with Dirk. Think about Dirk's journey man, Like Dirk's journeys,

it been so long, real grind, real grind. Dirk was kind of like a you know, he was in the drill scene. He flew under the radar forever, never really a superstar, and then the last twenty four months it's just gets out of here for him, crazy going crazy right now, Like that's a real grind right there, that he grinded for real. The same said, you know, it's crazy, the same situation with him once he not was with

his label no more. That's when it happened. Yep, same ship off as soon as he got departed from his separated from his label. Soon as they separated, that man took the fuck off. That's some real shit. How did you know obviously up the scores like your I mean that ship's going crazy, yeah, but it's turned still still moving. I mean, how did the Dirk feature come to be? Like, like, you guys have had a relationship. I'm assuming we ain't had no like no friendship relationship type shit. But always

knew him, you know, you knew of me. It was just mutual respect just overall, just because being from where he from, from where I'm from, you know, and like when I did the song, just heard him on that bitch and we reached out and that shit got done with like in like a week. Did you have to pay him for the future? It was just all love? Like wow, like we ain't that's big, you know, that was just all gangs. I mean now you owe in

the future. Yeah, so he had his trade now now I saw he but I mean money still was invo of course, of course, but it's just off off of respect. Like when you see a nigga that big like that, you know what I'm saying, Like you can run with some free ship you feel me. But it's like when you want the business to be done and to be done properly, and I want a profit off of this song. You want to maximize the potential of the song, everyone's got to get situated. So it's like, man, listen, huh,

fucked that hunt? Like yeah, him, you get what I'm saying, But it wouldn't know, like I didn't have to pay for that verse at all, but that shit got done because of the business part and just out of respect like that ain't no food, Like nigga, I just give you no more fucking song and you put it on iTunes and you maximizing out on this ship. You're getting booked for shows off this ship, and nigga just ain't getting nothing. You know, you either one or two things

gonna happen. That's that song ain't gonna get supported or you feel me. You gotta bless that nigga. You know shit, come you feel me? I mean he blessed you back. I saw you. You were on the I don't know how many dates of the Little Baby Dirk Toy you're on, but I know you're on the Phoenix right for show. Yeah, what what I mean? That's a big that's a big thing. Yeah, I ain't doing every date because I'm you know, I

got so many shows booked up. But like if if, if this ship would have came about before, like all them shows, I could have did every single day. But you're doing spot dates on the tour exactly the dates I'm available. I ain't want to just cancel all of my fucking shows. That's still my money. Yeah, that ain't a toy, Like I ain't getting paid off of that. Like I wouldn't even want know, that's opportunities, opportunity. I ain't a food, you know what I'm saying. I wouldn't

even go in no situations like that. Ask for right right, right right, get in front of all those fans. Prices it don't even make it'll be you'll be a food. Yeah what I mean? That shit just sound dumb for sure, I feel me so. But at the same time, I got to female family niggat forty thousand shows, so I gotta get my You're heard, so right now, if a promoter hits you forty racks, that's a concert. What if somebody wants you to come and do one song at the club now, No, no, how about this, I'm gonna

present it this way. They want you to do one song in the club, but it's a market where you're lit, pop out, pop out, come and do the record at the DJ boost half. Okay, all right, but you know what it was crazy? Is I appreciate about you? Is like I know that you know that it ain't like that everywhere. So if it's some random ass market where you're like, man, I'm trying to get in front of some new people, I'm gonna do it for free, that's crazy.

I ain't gonna cut like to this day. Like, if I know I ain't turned in the market, I'm I not gotta be in that bit something on it for free. If it's a market where I'm lit at, come on, I gotta make your of course, I can go get some money from any promoter in this market. But if it's some ship where I ain't motherfuckers ain't really hip to my music, I gotta go regardless. So if it's just it's just being that process up now, I just got a free flight to this motherfucker, free travel, free room,

bring my team campaign in the New City, exactly. I gotta do it free. I don't think like that I really don't move for money, Bro, I really don't. Okay, I've been seeing you around QC a lot, seeing you around P a lot. So you obviously dropped the record with Baby. Shout out to Baby. I'm assuming you just got out of a major situation. But with as hot as you are right now, I'm assuming that everyone's trying to try to lure you back onto that side of

the game. Everybody right means every label. So what's you know? I'm sure QC might be an option for you. You know, is there is Are you considering going back on that side of the game. Man, we were gonna we feel me whatever? Have we gonna? This shit gonna pop out? I would like to just point out that there is one company that you could sign with and get the best of both worlds. And there's a bald guy from Palestine named Ghazi who I think. I'm just saying. Guys,

he are real. Guys are really solid. Let me tell you something about guys. We're gonna get you on Empire. Bro, we gotta kick it. I fucked with guys. It just doing. Man. Listen, Bro, I just text guys the other day. Ain't give me back? Yeah, you know, I don't know Gus he textas his wife back, but it don't me and Ghazi. You know it's crazy, bro, I knew Gatzi for like four years. We ain't never talked about no business. We had one conversation about some business.

This was last January. We always text about just regular ship, like what's up, Hope, all is well? You know, doing your thing. It's always regular conference. We never text about being I'm sure if I had to hit him about some business he probably with it eventually, but you know, it just be regular ship. But like one thing about guys, that man put a lot of opportunity in Detroit mission literally he did. He did. I can't, can't nobody, can't

nobody from that bitch take that away from him. He did way more for Detroit than anybody on them as far as the music saying, other than Berry Gordy, that's a real ship. That's a fact. Can't nobody that's a fact. And he's there a lot like it ain't even but I'm saying the bottom line is very Gordy and guys, he did a lot for the Detroit music coaching period. That's a fact. That's that's fair. That ain't even arguing that we can't even that's not even the up for debate.

And I'm not with in party and that's not up for debate. I'm a real nigga. That's just the truth. That's some real ship man. All right, Man, look so obviously rich Off Pines. We know what that's about. Uh, do you still sit? Is that something you still participate in? Man? I don't. I don't. I don't think y'all sibling fuck

that shitens I set water man. I was gonna say, because like I do feel like the tight is turning to where at the very least, sipping lean isn't promoted and glorified as much as it was as to where you know, three four or five years ago, if rappers sip lean, you would know about it too. It back then, like that ship a dru That shit is addicted. I've really been addicted to that ship. Like, I don't withdraw from that shit. You feel me like I don't withdraw

it around my old lady or Feleen. That shit was embarrassed. You heard, like that shit a drug. I don't suggest nobody's dreaming. It ain't nothing cool about it. We rap about it. We rappers, We hypocrites. I know I'm a hypocrite because I don't suggest niggas doing a lot of shit that I talk about. But I rap about what I seen where I live, what I've seen others. Do you know, I just don't say who I seen, did

it he heard? Like this shit be all past tense or at this point, I feel like I'm speaking for I tell stories. I tell stories that's that's made up because I feel like I'm speaking for people that's out there living that ship. But one thing about me, I'm always tell I'm gonna speak when I rap, i'mna make songs every time I talk. And it seemed like I'm glorified some uh some some negative ship. I'm always speak on the consequences that come with that ship. I've been

in the fairst, I've been in prison. I know what coind ain't know when? When? What were the charges of white? Why did you go to the Fedan? I just got called a gun ship, you're probation or something, and just I'm a feeling. So it's called feeling in possition. That's crazy. I want no no, like, no major indictment. I had a one man counting dimon on nobody on my indictment.

Whn't it wasn't no shit like that? What for people who don't know, man, because I've I've been around family members who not off lean but off of opious, trying to shake that ship, going through with draws, having the pains in your legs and ship like that, not being

able to sleep? What is withdraws from me? Feel like physically, if you could describe it, I feel like the same thing that motherfucker off any other drug go through, Like every withdraws the same thing, like physical pains, just irritation, shit like that. Like I feel like you got a cold type shit you heard like that shit ain't it ain't nothing cool, it ain't nothing good, it ain't nothing not suggest It's just you know that shit. Ain't that

it ain't shit that ain't not nobody even doing. I gotta get money, you feel me and live along and seek knowledge like you gotta feed their brain. You heard like I'm a knowledge addict. Now you read? You read a lot. I read a lot, extremely a lot. My favorite author is Daniel Silver. I growing to like him when I was in the whole, in the joint, you know, It's when I was reading his books. I mean to him write true stories and ship like that. But it's

just the way the ways books are. Everything I was reading, I was visioning that ship. It was like it was like your Netflix in the whole absolutely, And then you know, I started getting into deeper books like your list, Mohammed Mansion to the Black Man, and I read the Malcolm X's book, and I just read. I read a lot of books. I read the obviously, I read I even read the Bible. I read everything I can get my hands on. I seek knowledge. Is that still the case?

Like to this day used to read knowledge. You can go through my YouTube history right now, You'll be You'll be surprised. Bro, What's what's like the last random YouTube rabbit hole? You dive down? Like what did it have to do with let me go chick? Because sometimes you know, you get on the YouTube binge and you you end up watching some ship you had no intention on ever watching in your life. You're like, wait, what I get deep? Deep? Bro?

Real this shiit? Seriously? I really seek knowledge? Telling people, listen, tell telling people what you see, read, read, read what you see, Biblical g and Islamic Jesus keep going. Did Jesus ever say that he is God. The early history, the honorable Elijah. Yeah, the lost tapes, Malcolm X, keep going, yeah, Dick Grayy and Elijah Muhammad. What Malcolm X did not tell you? The final signs of the Jaw's arrival are here, plastic and cosmetic surgery. I don't know if that was

my that's my wife, that's my wife. That's my wife for real. I got it when your wife started watching it and it was like making the tourism. This is probably not him. I mean, my old lady. We rock like that, Like I don't feel I just had de smoke up here de smoking. I don't go through my wife. She don't go through my ship. If she on Instagram, she log her come. She on YouTube, she don't go through my messages. She don't go through my car. We

really gangsters, like we really rock. Like your wife is not the type of person that if you fall asleep, she don't do that. She had boss for real, that's beautiful boss. She don't ask on my phone, she don't look at my messages like, she don't do none of that ship like you know you know that, Yeah, I think that that's how most I mean that's how relationship should be, because if you are on that, then why

are you together? Like if you can't trust somebody, because guess what, if there is some function going on in the relationship, it's gonna come to light eventually. Every relationship is about trust, whether it's a friendship of marriage relationship. Are you married? Yeah, man, it's crazy because D Smoke was up here before you got to be married. I got children. We had how many kids you got? I got too that stuff? Man, I got two kids too.

I'm not married because just you know, because we had children. I feel like when I say we got to that's what God want. I worked f I'm a slave. I was talking to D Smoke. He had a line on his new album and it said my wife drove me to sanity, not to he said, my wife drove me to sanity, not even drove him to sanity, saying that's a fact. You're married, bro, Yeah, so you you understand? Yeah? Do you know how we will be moving? If we ain't had that backbone, we wouldn't be able to do

what we're doing. I wasn't married when I when I when I caught none of my cases, I wasn't married none of that ship you heard, like, none of that ship like yo, Like your wife, every real man need a queen. You gotta have that. You gotta have that backbone. They're saying it like you gotta have that. That's that's balance, and that's that sanity, and that's that. That's that you know, your your accountability, that's your accountability partner for real, like

your wife, going hold your accountable. Ain't nobody gonna tell the truth like a woman or a child. Women and kids they tell the truth. Ain't nothing better than a woman's intuition. Every time my wife told me your nigga was a fuck nigga, he was a fuck nigg You know, it's crazy. That's the same shit with my girl. My girl will tell me some ship and then I won't listen, and she's always right. I'm like, man should the truth. Yes,

it's crazy, just like my mama. It's crazy how that is. Though. Ever, my mama told me she ain't like one of my homies. She something happened and then I ain't like them no more either. My mama ain't never been wrong about no nigga I ever brought around her. My old lady ain't never been wrong about not one nigga that I ever brought around her at all. Is it harder to keep your team and your circle smaller? The bigger you get, it make it easier for me? You wanna know why? Why?

Because nigga's always seem like with money and like a position or when people be on the outlooking in, like you know with us, we we we just living in our life. I feel like people praise what you got mo than what you do, and they drive motherfuckers to always just show their true colors and they cut theyself off. You know, money revealed money or was there the whole time exactly right? Money revealed hate? They always do mone even bring the truth out them people. Hey what up? Man?

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you come from than anywhere else. Is that something that happens with you and is it something you even that bother you at at this point, honestly, like when't it kind of like Detroit? I haven't experienced that, but you know, I'm so it's like that, But I feel like I haven't experienced that because I'm just I'm the same. I'm just me. I'll be me. You know, I'm the same person I am no matter where I'm at, Like I know,

it usually go like that. I can say this. It been times where motherfuckers who I felt like was supposed to support me didn't support me, and to everybody else did. But when they come to like music and like my folks who rock my music, the same love I get everywhere else, I get it in the church, just like the same hate I get everywhere, you know what I mean, unless niggas got but everybody got secret hate. Of course, it's like that. Shit is every man. It's it's fuck

shit everywhere. It's hatred everywhere. It's real niggas everywhere, it's jealousy. It's all the same all around. You know what I'm saying. I don't even like to say I get little. I don't even like using that terminology. You know, love, we'll love love don't live where we you heard like my kids love me? Yep, Mama, love me, My family love me. I can't say nobody else love me. I don't have no proof of that. Love is an accent. That's some real shit. That's true. That's a nice way of putting it.

You know, building your relationship with someone like P from QC. What you know he's somebody who has an executive is you know, done some special things him and coach K What is some game or maybe some advice that you have gotten from your friendship with with with P, he a real nigga, like they won't like But when me and P first linked up, we ain't discussed signing or you know, me being or it wasn't never about that nigga. Let me straight in my eyes like bro, you a hustler.

You remind me and me like I like how you move. I want to show you how to turn this ship up and do this shit next level. I want to show you the business. I think you should. You need to really learn the business. It wasn't never about him but sign a contract putting O. Ain't putting no contract in my face or email it to Shanelle. It wasn't never about none of that. It was off top like just a mutual respect, like and that was an honor to for a nigga like that to look at me

like a hustle. I look at bro like he's an ultimate hustler, you heard. So for somebody to see what I was doing on such a small level compared to what he doing and it meant something, you know, and accounted for something. Now only did it show me I'm doing the right thing and I can keep going, but it showed me how to conduct myself as a boss.

Like when you get to a certain level, you it ain't nothing wrong with reaching back when you see other niggas just like you, you her, or if you see yourself and another nigga and you gotta show people the business. You heard like I done got the impression from other people that as long as you know the business, you all right. But he changed my mentality on that. He showed me them. No, the right thing to do is to teach people to business, then do business with them.

Don't do business with him and then teaching the business, teaching the business, then do business with them. So I kick him, my young nigga, hundo it. He's from Grand Rappers, you heard like he he with ice records. We don't even have a contract because I'm teaching him the business. And then that's then he got to decide if he gonna if we're gonna rock, if he gonna sign a contract. That's not the because I know how this typically work.

But I won't be able to fool him. I don't want if I can't, and you don't want if you want to sleep at night, I want to say. It ain't even just that. I gotta I gotta look my son and the eye and tell him I stood tall in every situation. I was solid with everybody I ever encountered. I ain't fuck nobody ever. I ain't misgoding nobody, I ain't mistreating nobody. Everybody I ever took took heed of

what they said. They didn't mistreat me or Misgod me, you heard so I wanted to give out that same energy, and it's just it's just gonna be solid. Like if every artist I got with me intelligent on the business side and morally and they seeking the same knowledge outside of music, I see, that's it. Ain't that's a powerful team. That's a strong fist. Now. I feel like, you know QC's doing that. I feel like, God, he's doing that.

You know, definitely doing that and see they didn't got it, don't talk about it, is just doing that with it. He don't talk about it. It's just in his ass and their actions. Them two niggas that move with actions. Ain't you heard them? Niggas ain't doing interviews talking about what they do for artists. Their actions speaks for none of that ship. Their actions speak one hundred percent. Who

else on the album? I got on there, I got a baby face ray on there Rio to Youngo, g on there, Free Rio rumor and I got rumor man me and Rumor got a song. So your cousin manages Rumor. Shout out to Adrian Switch. The legends and ship rumors are alien manud dude, so motherfucking he's so fire, gonna be big. You gotta take off his ski masks. I ain't never seen niggas ever. I'm like, bro, when you bitch, do you know this ship? Like two tone probably at

this Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised, Like what is going on? Bro? Like, man, room, we're gonna be big. Room, We're gonna be bigger than a lot of a lot of that nigga gonna be huge. He's huge, man, you and Babyface Ray. I mean obviously Babyface raised somebody coming out the city who's the same on fire. Would you guys ever do like a collab like EP? We'd be talking about that shit every time

we see each other. Never get it done. We don't record it fast songs and came up with a name and everything, like we're gonna call it bit Purple Gang, Like that'd be crazy. Never it's just his ship. It seemed like our career started moving at the exact same time for some reason, so it's just been kind of making it a little difficult. But we're definitely doing the tape. Like who else gang outside of Detroit? Would you want

to do a tape with? I feel like man Pluto got good chemistry and it's like as far as musically when you say future, yeah, definitely, Like we make so hard, So I don't know why. I'd love to hear you and Mazzi do some ship Mazie I fuck with Mazie long that. Yeah, I feel like you, you and Mazzi would be a special that'd be a special little EP. Why is it speed talk? Real nigga shit? Yeah, he moved like one too, And you know what's crazy. He's kind of the first rapper that started that kick the

Cup shit. You know, he started that shiit twenty seventeen. He was like the first guy to be like, man, I can't do this shit. No more could kick the Cup. I think we need to really make that shit a movement, bro, really do. And you know what's crazy is if there's a lot of niggas bro that don't that really respectfully, that don't that don't really be sipping like that, you know, and they keep it a hunted though, Like if a nigga asked, nigga, s I don't really be drinking like that.

These niggas just getting niggas getting money and getting smart like that's that's good. That's a good thing. A rap game one like that in the nineties, niggas getting money, getting dumb. They just getting money and still getting fucked by the label and still doing dumb shit. Fuck is smart enough, Yeah, niggas going to the gym all that shit. Like niggas is just moving like bosses. It's a lot of n like outside of like if you Let, if You Let Society, Instagram telor rappers of some of the

dumbest niggas on Earth. But realistically, it's a lot of smart niggas, bro well, because the people who are on it, the people who make headlines on Instagram at least at least you know, I always say there was like an era and rap twenty seventeen twenty eighteen where the dumb goofy antics was dictating who label signed. We would see people that were getting signed, I mean just for doing dumb, dumb mass dumb ass shit on the GRAM and they were putting music out with like like actual dude. It was.

That was probably one of the roughest erarors in music because I'd be like, We'd have people come up on the show and I'd be sitting across from some guy nodding out or who's got like no for so all longer nigga fake and this shit, this shit still like wwft no, it still is. It still is. But it was bad. It was bad, bro, I mean, you know we think of that. That was like the six ' nine era. There was like guys, like there was just

a lot of functionhit. That was like when Little MP was at his peak, just doing shit for the Internet. It was like, yo, if you're known for your antics and not your music first. Then you don't got longevity. Longevity is not in your cards, it is in your heart. You know, Man, I don't do with an I ain't with none of that shit. When you were locked up, man, like you know, how hard was it to just deal with the time? Like you said, you read a lot

right what like? Like mentally you know, I know some people who come out of jail and that shit breaks them. I know it takes their spirit. I mean, I know this the answer that you would expect because I know how animated like rap shit is and how fake gangst and fake tough niggas be. But this really from the heart. It didn't fuck with me, bro, because it made me better. I appreciated it. That was the best thing ever happened

to me other than my children. Kind of put you on it made you think about like you said, you didn't know you had a lot to lose before you you said, that was the best thing that ever happened to me. So my time wasn't hard because I ain't. You can make your time hard. For one, I only had two years. That ain't no time two. It's just like it's up to you or what you deal with. Like one of my homegirls text me the other day, I'll show you the message. It's true, Star, tell all

the truth. She said she been hurt. Were just having a conversation like, well, I've been through a lot, I've been hurt a lot. And I told her I could have got hurt a lot. She said, how could you What you mean you could have got hurt a lot? I told her because the shit that was supposed to hurt me, I ain't let it. It's about what you let hurt you. So if you doing hard time, that's so that means you doing hard time. You know what I'm saying, Like, you ain't gotta do hard time. That's

for nobody. And nigga. I don't seen niggas in that bitch for thirty years. And that bitch like they got four months because they mastered. They mastered theyself up here, master they mentality, they master they thoughts you mentioned being in the hole, is that was that like a little harder to deal with those times? That's when I felt

like I was in jail twenty three hours a day. Yeah, before and then I was in there in the wintertime, so we was in the orange jumpsuit, swee socks and sandals, so I ain't go outside, and so it was zero below. Was in Ohio, so it was twenty four hours a day. Fuck the whole. I did three months the first time that I went back and did three months. The second time. It was in the summertime, so I was going out.

I was doing twenty three hours. But I didn't feel like I was in jail until I went to the whole. I think I had a cell phone in that bitch. I'm just I'm doing everything, fucking you feel me? So it was just it didn't feel like jail. What what what? What did you do in jail to result you going to the hole? I called the cell phone contraband yeah, so holy serious shot. How does it someone get a cell phone it in jail? Man? I can't do that. Brother. Is it the guards? I'm not saying how do you

get it? I mean in general, I mean there's someone brings it in while visiting. Guards bring it in. They got their system. Man, it's a lot of brothers still locked up. You know what I'm saying. They I don't know, because I feel like an underrated relationship, right because I mean I've been to jail, not for as long as you,

but all my cousins hard prison time. Right. The relationship between the CEOs and the prisoners, it's either really bad or good or it's like there your lifeline to the outsider they could be, or it's really like you you know these people, right. I always wonder I always wonder if ways of inmates ever rubbed off on CEOs. You get what I'm saying. They watch US politic. They watch and then they gotta go home, and they gotta go home.

They got a whole life, they got a world. I wonder if they ever dealt with they personal life and use you know, some of the knowledg is that we that they watched US politics. I wonder if they ever felt wrong in the situation and they reason it was the same reason like we felt wrong. Like if they ever had a school a homies, like now you can't do this this, Like if any anything, yeah, you get what I'm saying, anything good or bad rubbs off on

him in the real world. I was wondering that. I don't wonder if that because they're still people at the end of it's a job with benefits. They not police, they not. That's why people get on ross because you see them like that. Don't be ship. He wasn't a cop, you know what I'm saying. I don't know, man, I think uh boss. I think Ross is uh. I was

just with Bernard. We just had Bernard here Sunday and we're talking about you know, Ross, and just like how much of a inspiration he's got to be to everybody if you're really paying attention, you're from the Trench at the end of the day, you know. And I don't know Ross personally. I don't know what he personally did in his life. So I can't speak for his character, you know what I'm saying, But you can speak of an action his business. Yeah, business wise, he a boss.

That's that. He made it in the music industry, you know what I'm saying. And he is from where he's from from day come. That bitch ain't no playground that mister Trench. You feel me? What about you say you have more money than you've ever had? Are you interested? What kind of investments are you trying to make or what kind of things you're trying to do with your money to try to make sure if RAP goes away tomorrow, you know, it's still first and foremost. I'm paying my

taxes smart, That's the first thing. That's that's how I'm going to keep my money because the irs on your head absolutely so paying you don't want to get west, They sniped. I bought a home and my name with my credit and I'm taking what I invest in slowly because, like I said, I had money prior, and I had a restaurant, bought a car wash, and I had a dispencery at the age of twenty four. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, but but nothing came out of it because I was in it for the wrong reason. Not

only is I rush into those businesses. I got those businesses just to say I had those businesses. It's a flex you're I got my own car, a honey houses, and them niggas fucked up because with business come responsibilities. Responsibilities drain your pocket. Yeah, especially if you're not in a position to or you have you don't have the bandwidth of the team to deal with one hundred fucking houses. So there's for any nigga that's getting some money, be

strategic about what you invest in. Definitely be strategic. Yeah nine, I know the cannonbusiness business, I'm not in a month probation. I'm extremely interested in that and doing it the right way. Now in Michigan it's recreational, right almost not there yet though almost so it's still medical. It's still medical. Oh okay, okay, okay, they passed it, but you know it takes some time. Well, I know, cookies is there now, I mean it's it's booming.

It seems like the weed shit in Michigan booming. And we've been had the spencers before this shit was even you know, all the way all like, I feel like we was one of the first states to have the spencer. Spencer's literally, like I remember twenty fourteen seeing the spencers that wasn't getting shut down and shit, you know, it was just certain stipulations. But I know they did pass it to be recreational. But as far as I'm concerned, like,

its shit's still not getting treated. I mean even like it's crazy to think, like we were in New York the week after it became like okay, and it just felt weird because you know, you go to New York before and you're having weed in New York. It's fucking tough. Fuck. Yeah, having a gun in New York is even worse. Right, but like you know, now everyone is you could just smoke anywhere in New York and the cops literally don't

give a fuck. You'd be on the fucking corner on the sidewalkers, blowing down the backwood in front of the NYPD. And it's that's hard. It's insane. I ain't seeing niggas smoke in front of the folks right right right out here. They do they out here l A don't care. Man, I got a gang of expencials. I think it's almost

too much. It's very like it's real competitive. Yeah, what happens is, you know, people come from out of town and they think sh it is sweet, and they come to l A and they think they're gonna get on with some weed. And then it's like, bro, this is still We're still in the number two biggest market in the country. Still so much politics involved out here, especially on the street level. And furthermore, it is the most

competitive legal marijuana business in the world. So that's the real, Like, that's really the stereotype for l A. Yeah, I'm out there, I gonna get my packs. I'm gonna get some packs shipping back to the like bro, like you know, make sure you're getting you know you motherfuckers come out here and also get robbed thinking they're coming out here. Niggas gott this bitch sweet at all, not at all, man like a motherfucker sweet niggas la just like a land

the opportunity. It's opportunity out here. But this ship political. Like I know, real street niggas down here, niggas ain't a lot of niggas don't just like that, like fucker coming down this bitch and just you just off top. Just feel like you heard you just gonna move how you move all that, and that's that's how it should be anywhere. I feel like that about Detroit. I don't

want nobody and not that I own it. I'm not, you know, And I ain't saying like on the street level like on no you know, no no that type of shit, just period, Just just how I feel like this. This is somebody home. You still gotta treat it like like you said, somebody. You're not gonna go to someone's house that you've never met before and stuff, put your feet on the couch. Absolutely you should treat that. That's

a perfect analogy. Yeah, if you go to someone else's city, man, be respectful, move the right way, move the right way. I think that was kind of what happened with that, you know, with with the no flyfe zone ship with trick trick essentially right now. So we all felt like that, like is just the leader of that, the face of he was the bigger artists. Yeah time, you know what I'm saying. So and he coined that phrase. You know, yeah, man,

who in your opinion? Give me your top five excluding yourself MC's out of Detroit ever, top five mcs out of Detroit, Blade Ice, would Streetlord one, Chetu boy, elite, tough tone, man, I got I got a lot bro of course. Eminem. Okay, you're putting Eminem into five. Eminem number one, he's top five in the world. I mean, I don't disagree, but I do know some people in Detroit are like, I've never listened to Eminem in my life.

We love Eminem music. It's just we feel a certain way about Eminem to a sense, like niggas love Eminem, Like ain't nobody ever tried Eminem? Or he's still living Detroit, that's his home, Like it's all we just never met him. Is that why you feel a certain way like maybe he's not touching the payment like you know you'd like him to. Maybe. I mean, it ain't about what I would like him and do his own, man, but inspirational to us, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm accessible

to your niggas that's coming up in Detroit. I'm gonna say, I make myself accessible to them. I don't overstand, you know, I don't just I'm not friendly. I don't just give myself away. But I still make myself even if I tell a your nigga, bro, you are that's all to be taken to keep on your niggas, going to keep them out streets. I mean, to be fair, I don't think Eminem is accessible to anyone, but come on, bro, we gotta be doing great, right. No, no, no, you're right,

You're right. That's why I thought it was dope to see obviously Sean worked with you, but to see Sean do that cipher at the end of his album, I think it was it was it ten artists on there. How many artists on that ten I don't know. I you know, I never listened to that song once, but I just at the end of the day, I think that was like a cool thing. That was some gangs shit that was Did you feel any type of way him leaving you off that? No, Me and Sean got

plenty of record We got a relationship. Y'all got records in a video together. And he didn't put the hottest niggas from Detroit on the song. He put who he wanted to, you know, extend his arm to, like, you gotta think the niggas that's not on the song. It's niggas he already done, extended his arm to and showed a little too popped out. Folk made a call for a nigga, did a video with a nigga did his song?

Sean keeps shit solid, bro, he do? He keeps shit gangst I was slightly mad about that because I know how big I am in my city. So yeah, like I don't. I'm not a nigga that feel what's that word don't? I can't even think of the word, but entitled, entitled. I don't feel entitle. I just know where I stand when my music ain't doing good. I know when it ain't doing good. I knew when my ship want to turn. I never felt entitled, I never, but I know what I know. My value. But just when we had a

conversation about it, I understood exactly what he meant. And that's just what it was, Like, I'm trying to get everybody a chance. Yeah, I feel like he had kind of all walks of like the Detroit scene on there. Royce was on there, you know, obviously Detroit touched au. Uh Royce, Royce fired to I mean, one of the greatest in the world. Worst. Voyce is one of the greatest everage. That's why it's hard to name top five

from Detroit. When you got niggas like Royce, fine, now you got live boys, Kd's he made West Stretch money, like stretch money, that nigga, really lyrical body James Like, it's too many body James is a beast exactly, Bro, it's too many people. Bro. Yeah, Yo, Would you ever you know, because obviously, uh, would you ever work on some like production like you know, because we think of Detroit, we think of also j Diller and Slum Village and and and and a real serious boom back backpack scene.

Guys like Guilty Simpson back in the day, that's what it was. Black milk all that ship, right, Would you ever funck with any of that production just to try to bring the two worlds together. So I would absolutely I would. It was definitely did you come up listening to like any J. Diller or any of that ship. Never heard not one J Diller song. I genuinely thought he was a producer. I mean no, I mean even he is. I mean he has, but he also rapped this jd you know, you know, I never I'm not

gonna figure. I never listened what about Slum Village like it was on TV a lot, so I had to listen. I didn't listen to I'm not That's not my style. I didn't listen to backpack music, right. I know Royce can rap, because you know Royce do well for yourself in the rap community, and he a person you gonna hear his ship regardless. I followed he posts it and the way the nigga rap, I just be amazed, like he's one of them one That's not my style of music.

I don't listen to that, but I do like how you're because you know, I've talked to artists who are on the other side of the corner. Right now. We just don't fuck with that ship. But at least you know you're You're like, yo, I don't. I'm not. It's not my cup of tea, But I mean I respect it. I'm still a rapper. I know good lyrics. When I hear that ship, I just don't be knowing what half that ship. I don't for me. Sometimes it don't it don't.

They may feel we not talking about nothing, right, And I've seen that side of music say that we not talking about nothing. We literally feel like they not talking about nothing because it be a bunch of lyrics and it's just to us. It don't lyrical spiritual miracle. It just don't like what is that? What is it? A mind to? All? Right? What did you just say? What? What?

What am I learning from that? But the people listen to them, they would decipher them them verse and be like Nigga, he just said, you heard like Nigga that Nigga said, you gotta listen to this ship, just like somebody that listened to our music would decipher for them like Nigga. He just said this like he had the heart he did he did, you know, and they might

understand it, you feel me. So I've grown to not down play nobody something just because it ain't your cup of tea exactly, or I might not understand it at the time. You just gotta decipher it. Hey, listen, gun your head. If I had to ask you the question, who's your favorite rapper of all time? Your favorite, like your personal favorite? To say, you're you're going back in the hole for two years and you can only take one guy's fucking CDs with you, who would it be?

Jigg Jay? Hey, man, that's a good choice for so. I mean, I know that's a lot of people choice, but hey man, it's true. Hey what's your favorite jay Z album? Blueprint? The first one? And the Dynasty? Hey, the Dynasty soon you're under standing is one of them? One that man stories just that ship is remarkable. Yeah, man's remarkable. I think Hove is like Dan to shout out to Wayne Wayne goat. He's he's he's he's up there. And Wayne is a goat. No, he's up there. He's

a goat for sure. He's up there, up there, bro, No, he's up there, he's up there. When you said Wayne is the goat, I said, no, he's up he's up there. Yeah. I thought you said Wayne is the goat, and I was like, yeah, he's up there. He's one of them names. You know, you could throw Wayne Hove Nas damn. You know all those people are in the same thinking naves of the whole story backwards man, rewind, that's another level. It's another level level of like funk. That's a level

that still ain't been I don't think anything. Yeah, I'm doing that ship, bro a man doing that ship. You're right right, do it backwards. I'm doing that ship. You know, I'm doing it on my own twenty twenty one street verse. What will it take for Ice war Vessel to go back to signing to a major label or is that even possible? Anything possible when it makes sense, Absolutely anything in the world that shit makes sense. I need full creative control, and I need opportunity for my artists. My

artists gotta be in a play. My manager gotta get hired at the label. Hey, you gotta call them shots. And I need a contingency plan. I need to be motherfucker A and R when I'm done with this shit. Hey, Y's smart and I know music. No reallyty Oh, it's just gotta make sense. Anything that you do has got to make sense moving forward. And now you're in a position where if it don't all right, cool, I'm doing me. I don't fuck I'm already rich, so what it is, I don't If I'll never be able to get a play,

it's all as well. I can live through my niggas. How dope is it to half? You've had some records that were dope in the club, like regionally or like certain cities, Like you know, I'm from Phoenix, so there's a lot of Detroit dope boys in Phoenix. So Moonwalking, the Money Phone, these are all records that I would always play in the club in like twenty fifteen sixteen right Walk was my first big song. No, I mean, technically money Fine was, but that was just big, uh

you know. In my reason, Moonwalk was the first song where I was in a whole nother city doing some whole other shit and was watching people wrap this song word for word and they ain't taking out one pitch with me because the bigger than me. Uh well up, the score is like a record that again it's like what they know is me though. Yeah, but I saw, I saw. I think Dirk brought you out at college or something fucking me up. That fucked me up. That shit was crazy. I don't even know it was on

your ig. I don't know what city that was that was in It was in Uh, it was in Illinois. I just forgot what city. It was in Chicago. That's wild, right, Wake me up. That shit fucked me up? What is that was? That? Was that a moment for you when you realize absolutely, wow, it's working. First moment that I actually realized that this ship is working for real. First moment I had a long time. Well, I'm like, this

shit really work. That was a first moment. Yeah, because I saw that video, I was like, oh, this is what was That first moment motivated me on the whole another level. Future, How did your friendship with Future begin? Like? How did you guys get you know, get to be close and obviously you know how is Future? I feel like we don't he don't do interviews. We just kind of hear what we hear about him and love his music.

My little brother GT introduced me. Now it's been a little real, like you know what I'm saying, this is regularly ain't shit? Like I feel like you're in a position right now where I could see Drake just randomly remixing a icewear vessels so without warning, like remix other scull and out telling me that she's gonna be too Like any idea if he's like tapped in with your ship at all, I ain't gonna lie. I don't have no idea that like, I don't know. I don't even know.

I don't know. Would you do a remix to up the scull? Like is that something you even considering or is that something uncnsidering? It's come. It's coming, for sure, it's come. Any anybody locked down said it's coming. It's gonna be one of the ones. It's gonna be one of the ones. It's gonna be one of the one ask for something. Well, listen, uh, rich off pints to off points to it's out. Yeah, by the time this drops, it'll be out now, rich Off pints too out Now

y'all tap in with me. Go look at all the videos subscribing my YouTube channel. I swear vezo. I got a movie out too, called Price of Love. It's on Amazon Prime and so on. Did you produce the movie? He started secutive produced it. I wrote them movie and I'm starring in it. Wow, Well, I wrote I wrote them. I didn't physically write the script. Though, but somebody wrote the movie though, payding food fucking Ma Smith. Shout at Kama Smith. What was the inspiration behind doing that? Man?

Besides obviously, I mean there's some legendary underground routs and Jill and I wrote that in the hole on some milk curtains. Wow, because they threw my rap book away, so I thought I was finessing, like I ain't gonna throw these milk cards away. Wow. They to the rap book away, threw that bitch away. That's rough. Well listen, man, go get the project, and you want to shout out

your artist. Shout out to eighty one Hundo, Shout to Vino Midwest, Millie CEO, Chucky sb R, Peasy Rich, Tom Butter sbr narco uh, shout the piggy She from Cleveland, she super turned up. Shout out to Sadity she fron Detroit. She is she is Shortly she turned to man, Shout out to my manager ship beast, you know, cousin Adrian m J. And then south to everybody here it is man, I swear vesso boom