Suzi Quatro

not even sure. My grandpa came over as Rocky and he emigrated at Ellis Island and they took one look at his name and they said he was a little boy. They said, Michael Quatro done okay, once again, pronounced the name as it was before it was shortened Quatro quatroky, Yeah, and they just for four eyes and they just shortened it. So he entered America as my Quatroll. And that's the family name. And my dad told me a million times that anybody with the name Quatroll has got to be

related to us. Are there a lot of Quatrolls? No, well there isn't. My family. Millions in my family, but yeah, there there's no there's not that many, and there's no real Susie qus But me, well, what about the song? I said, there's no real Susie. Cuse okay, okay, okay, how did you decide on the spelling, because there's different ways to spell Susie. Oh God, I had a T shirt made up recently and I'm going to sell him

on my merch side. I hadn't made up from my crew, and it says six different names of Susie spelled wrong, all crossed out and then at the bottom and has it correct. I've been spelling. My name has been spelled every which I get s u s I E s u z y s u z i e as and and then I get quatrill quadrille. I just decided in the Pleasure Seekers, when we were all taking stage names, that I would be Susie A s u z I, soul a s o U. Well, because I did a lot of otis writing and stuff like that way back

when I was fourteen. I don't know how that spelling came out, but it just looked right. And everybody has asked me, everybody, including Mickey most, what's your real name? Because it looks and sounds like a stage name, doesn't it? Yeah, Well, the question becomes many people changed their last name when they have an ethnic or hard to pronounce uh last name. So, but when it was the Pleasure Seekers, you were Susie Q, but it was still Quadr. Do you ever think you're

gonna be like Susie Smith or something else? No? No, And in fact that was funny because when I got to England after I was discovered and put solo by Mickey most Um, we were sitting in his office when I first arrived. And because I have been calling myself Susie Soul always, I'm born Susan K Quadro, always Susie. And I said to me, a key, so I'm gonna have to think of I don't want to be Susie, so I have to think of a good stage name. What should be? And he said, are you kidding me?

I went, what he said, sissit Quatro was about the best name I've ever heard, And I went, oh, so just be me. He said, yeah, just be you. That's good. Okay, you are sitting a room with umpteen gold records and platinum records. Where exactly are you right now? I am in the dining Actually, I call it the bragging room. Um, it's the dining room of my fifteen century. It is beat in a manor house, nine bedrooms, three and a half acres um. I've been here since nineteen eighty. I'm

actually gonna be buried out there. I'm gonna be cremated and are good at my ashes? Put around a four bass guitar carved out of an old tree that died. Have you seen wood carvers how they do that? So four bass guitars coming out of the ground that I said, that's where I want my ashes with a planque. And I've been here for a long time. It's the longest I've ever lived anywhere. I love this house, absolutely love it. If I'm gonna be locked down, this is where I

want to be. Okay, because even though you're American, most Americans really don't have a comprehension. So let's try to locate it. How far from London is your house? Uh? Sixty? Okay? And where it is is that like rural? Is there a town? What's there? Like? There is a town? I live in between two towns. I live fifteen minutes from a very good airport, which standstead. I live fifteen minutes there there you go fifteen minutes to around the county

town of Essex. So I'm fifteen minutes away from Chelmsford and fifteen minutes away from Braintree. That way, Um, there's a great train service into London. But I'm secluded. This is what I like. I can be somewhere if I want to secluded. How much property do you have? Three and a half acres? And do you own the house outright? I bought it out right? Wow? And I bought my first house out right when I was twenty And where was that house? That was about twenty minutes from here?

Because when I married my guitar player, my ex um, when we we wanted to move somewhere near one set of parents. My parents are in Detroit, so we moved more near his parents. That leaves near family, you know. And then but then we came out here. I found this house on the cover cover a big house magazine and pulled about the front there and this, you know how you get a feeling this is my house? And is there a wall a gate? There is two big

brick pillars. There's a walled garden here with flowers. There's an orchard back there just beautiful with food trees and everything. Um. There's a brick pillars there too. There's three floors, nine bedrooms. On the third floor, I have my ego room. Okay, okay, you have I love it. Um. You have to go up two flights of stairs. The second flight is very precarious. You can bang your head on the ceiling. You know, it's crooked and everything. It's it's it sounds like an analogy,

but it's the extra truth. And you finally get to this big, heavy wooden door at the end of the at the end of the house, and it says on the door, I had a sign made and it says Ego room. Mind your head, and you go in and this is your life book. Um. Pictures everywhere, posters, jumpsuits over here, bass guitars, seeds, videos. I mean absolutely every inch is covered with me, everything I've done from the

beginning of my career up to the present day. And you kind of go in if you want to, and you enjoy and you come out and then you shut the door. And this is how I survive in this business. You shut the door. I leave my ego up on the third floor. How often do you go up there? At least twenty five times at night door. And I don't know that was a good question. I don't go

up there much at all, actually not at all. Lots of times I go up to do a job if i'm writing something, because I'm on my sixth book now, and sometimes I need information, And certainly when I wrote my autobiography, if you had a black spot, you know, a memory block, you can go up there. You'd find the year on a tour book or a scrap book or something, and you could. And I really spent the light a lot of time up there then. But sometimes every now and again, you just go up and you

pull out the old tapes. And when I when I let people go up there, I don't see them for two days. Okay. Now. Bill Wyman, famously of the Stones, famously collected everything. How much of your stuff do you have? Everything? Um? Oh my god. I made it a point of getting every article about me, And at first I used to put him in square books and all that. I don't do that so much anymore. But I have just about

every article has ever been written on me. So many videotapes, so many videos of every show I've ever done, all the CDs, all the records, um let me see. Pictures are just awards, stage passes. Everything I used to collect when I was like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen seventeen, all the hotel room keys, and I kept him in a big hues tin waste paper basket. And then I got bored of that, so I went down to the local mailbox and poured them all in. That was bad at me.

I can imagine that that that mail man when he came to get because it says it says, you know, mailer back to this address. I put them all in. I got bored with that. But I've got everything, just about everything. Okay, no one lives forever when you do move on? What's going to happen to all the stuff in the ego room? I am hoping. I've tried to set it up so it is this way that my um my son will take over the house and this house will be my legacy. This is what I want

to happen. I kind of want my this is my graceland. How else can I say? You know, I mean maybe even someday people would like to come and see it. Who knows. I wanted to continue. I don't want this house, so I've put that in my will. Okay, now, many people have a family, the kids move out and they wanted downsize. Growing up, always wanted a big house, I could have one room for everything. Never quite hit that. But what's it like living with so few p ballue

in such a big house. Well, it was full at one point, for it started off with just me and my ex, and then we had two kids, and plus we didn't live in nanny, so the house was full and that kind of stayed even after after we divorced, got married a year later to somebody else. Um, I always needed a nanny here because I work, and you know, my kids were little, and then we had two people staying here and living here. One was a gardener and

moment was the nanny. And then finally they were old enough that I could get rid of the nanny's and my daughter moved out first. Then my son moved out, and that was not nice at first. Of course, I was rambling around this house and I oh my I hated it. Didn't even want to go to the third floors. But he used to live, my son. So what I've done now is I've made every rear dream, every single room in this house has a of Chris every single moment.

Even on the third floor. I've made two of the rooms into two extra bedrooms in case I have guests over. One of them became my mother's room. She's been gone a long time, but I I ended up by accident putting a cover. She got me, putting a pillow, she got me putting pictures of her, putting a big portrait of my mom and dad, and everybody calls that. The kids call that grandma's room, so it became her room. You know. I don't know how that happened. But my

son uses one room for his guitar repair room. Uh. There's another bedroom on the third floor that my granddaughter has claimed as hers. There's my ego room. The next floor there's one, two, three, four more bedrooms. Only one of them is used now, but I do have people stay over if I have guests, you know. And then down here, I've got the TV room, the laundry room, I got a patio out there, got a studio in the back, which is fantastic on the grounds. I got

my dining room here and in there. In there is mys the oldest part of the house, and that's where I write and I can't write anywhere else, and I've tried it everywhere. That's my writing room. I got my guitar, even though it's my main lounge and it should be everything perfect. I've got all my guitars in there, you know. I got my pen and my paper, my sheet music, and my my white piano that's never moved since I moved in. Um, that's the creative room. That room in there. Okay,

there's a lot of questions here. One do you are you the type person who's a homebody or if you go into town everybody knows you. You say, Hi, what's your forgetting COVID? For a minute before that, what's your lifestyle? Sort of like, UM, I made a choice in nineteen seventy three, and it was after the first time I was on television with my first number one can the Can and uh. We watched it, my me and my ex, and then we went out to the local public we always go for a drink, and we walked in and

the place erupted. It's her, it's her, it's her, it's I went what what we had to leave? The pub never happened to me before, so I kind of thought about it started to happen and happen, it happen, and then I thought, okay, I can baseball cap ponytail, dark glasses and hide, or I can just say hi. And I chose hi. It must have happened eight times yesterday in town, five times today. And it's it's so funny

because it happens the same way. Every time you're walking by and sew you, somebody will go and I'll just go yes, and they just because you know what they're gonna say, um so I say hello. Yes. Sure that They added a little, but it got a little bit crazy. I was in the post office. This has never happened before, and of course you started talking and then everybody sees you,

and everybody's looking and better. It happens all that, especially when you're in a line, you know, and then people and they start they start to a whisper, look whisier, gout it out it out. Anyway, the lady next to me here, she got very friendly. She said, oh my god, oh my god. Then she was going on and on on that. She went, can I can I ask your favorite? And I thought she wanted a selfie? I said sure. She said, can I just play you some of my

favorite songs from my um on my phone. So I just sit and listen to her favorite songs on her phone while the line was getting up to them and you and you can't be rude. You know you can't do that. She doesn't mean any harm. But that's the last thing I wanted to do, is listen to her favorite song. So that's actually quite funny. Does it ever get old? And are you ever upset if people don't recognize you? Um? No. In fact, I made quite a joke out of it. Sometimes, you know, I'll go into it.

I do it on purpose. I'll go someplace and maybe I'm ordering something from the guy and he's taking my information. I went into an art shop just yesterday, brand new art shop, and I said, how much is that huge? What I picked out? A million and a half. I said, Jesus Christ, I got good taste. Anybody. We're talking talking, and I saw that he didn't know who I was. So as we're talking, I said, by the way, I said, I'm very famous, and he went, you are. I said, yes,

I am, So this is what I do. He goes, what's your name? I said, Susy Quadro, google it. You googled it. He went, Oh my god, I said, next time I come in, know who I am. So I I do do that a lot of times. I'll see youngsters. I say, you might not know me, but you should sense of humor at all times. Okay, are you always on? You're like, you're very on in this moment. Is that who you just are? Or is it just when you know the mic is on? No? No, I'm I'm I've

been told. In fact, the phrase used to describe me by people who know me best as I am exhausting. But I take that as a compliment. I Um, I'm a glass softball girl. Um. I love conversation. That's my key. I love conversation. Uh, nice glass of wine and a conversation. I'm a happy girl. I love to argue the toss into the middle of the night. You know so, but there there there is a quieter shore when nobody's around. I well, my way of being quiet. If I'm not

watching a movie, which I love movies. I watched movies all the time. I'm a bit of a movie buff. Um. I will watch something my way of relaxing. I'll have agressive ryan, I'll watch who wants to be a millionaire on TV and at the same time, I'll be doing online scrabble. Who are you playing with? Who have words with friends? I mean? Are these always with friends? Who you play with? Anonymous people? Any anybody? I'll play with anybody. I just I just like to win. Are you pretty

damn good? Pretty damn good? I'm I'm something like twelve or thirteen and the big you know, and lots and lots of people say I'm pretty good. I have I've learned a lot of the weird words, and you know, I love word games. Anyway, I'm one of those people. And I'm waiting for somebody to tell me the scholastic word for this talent that I have. I'm gonna have

to look it up, maybe google it. You know, when you have a word wheel and it's got one letter in the center and then like cut like a pie, and like eight letters around it, and you have to make as many words as you can for letters and more, yeah, and use all the and then it makes one big word. You look at it and one big word is made out of that. I can guess it with three or four seconds, sometimes instantaneously, and I and I know there's a word for that is it? I can make that.

I can make sense out of the chaos. I can put the jumbled words together. And I don't know how I do that or why I do. It's the way my brain works. It sees the word. Is there a word for that? Not that I'm aware of. But no, I'm not as good with words as you are. Let's go back to a second. You watch movies. You watch movies essentially every night. Yeah, pretty much, kind of like a routine. When I'm not on the road, of course

I will watch. I'm a routine girl. Okay, to your two favorite movies, God, it's so boring Gone with the Wind, I'm sorry, I just never get tired of it. I actually know the entire dialogue of that movie, every character. My husband one time was sitting on the bed and we were watching it just because we felt like watching it, and he didn't watch the movie. He looked at me because I did every bit of dialogue. And I think my other favorite movie, it's hard to pick two. I'd

say probably all about Eve. Okay. And do you tend to watch the movies over as obviously as the case with Gone with the Wind, or are you always interested in watching something new. Well, I do like to watch new movies, but I'm afraid I'm a very impatient Gemini, and it's got to grab me. It's got to grab me. And you can grab me from the titles alone. But if I start to watch a movie and they're casting whoever they've cast in the plot does and pulled me in the movies off? And yes, I do watch movies

I like again and again and again. I will do that. I'm quite anal um. I'll read books I like again and again and again. Right now, idiot that I am. I asked my husband to send me the complete works of Friederich Nietzsche. And you want to talk about heavy reading, Let's go back to the beginning. What inspired you to want to read that. I have been writing a psychological book, my sixth novel, my second novel, but my sixth book. And it's all about people that meet six people that

meet up better psychology class. And I'm getting very much into the mind. And so many books that I've read people mentioned this guy as being incredible, and I always wondered, what's so good about him? And I even said to my husband, because he's a German philosopher, he said, Oh, Susie, he's he's hard going and that made me money. He is hard going boy. You have to really really dive in. I don't think he was a very happy man. So what have you learned that he really can talk? He

he I've learned that he's um. He finds a way of making one sentence jumping about eighteen different areas, and he finds a descript where even he finds out how to He has an adjective for an adjective. If you see what I mean? You know, okay, you but you have to do is you have to read it very slowly and take it in and I'm determined. I'm determined to do it. I've read Warren Peace, you know, so I'm one of those. Have you read an k No?

I think that's the best book ever written. It depends on the translation unless knowing you you learned Russians to read it. But I literally think, you know, there's this philosophical elements. Some people skip through those. But it's just amazing how president and how easy it is to read. But you know you're talking about doing all this reading. It's well, let me go. Have you talked about psychology? Have you ever been in therapy. Um, that's one of the jobs I wanted to do if I hadn't gone

into show business at fourteen. Professionally, UM, I was very much interested. I'm an art chair of psychologist. I one time went only one time, and it was after my divorce. I was with my ex for twenty years. I'm a Catholic girl. You don't divorce. I had two kids, so it really I wanted to go. It really messed me up. There was nobody else I wanted to go. And I met my future husband and we were newly married, and

I I didn't want to visit. My old problems are my old failings, my my ex husband's failings on him. Do you see what I mean? Yeah? I went to see it a psychiatrist one time and I talked about this to me to him and I said, um, I always remember it. I said to him, why didn't he loved me the way I wanted him to love me? And he didn't want the divorce. I was the big love of his life. And he looked at me and he said, Susie, you went to the butchers for perfume.

He didn't have it on a shelf. Wow. Wow, I thought that was brilliant, a brilliant way to explain it. But he loved me, how he could love me. Okay, did you meet and was it a romance with your new husband before you got divorced or after you got divorced? Oh my god, No, I didn't. It wasn't way. I didn't even know him. Um. I was single for a year, single for a year. He had booked me, and I knew who he was, but absolutely nothing. I just just my husband and I ran out of steam. He we

just ran out of steam. We grew apart. We're good friends now to this day. But ran out of steam, not for him, but for me, love him, not in love anymore. But the new one booked me. You know, he just booked me. Okay, wait, wait, a couple of questions. Did your ex husband ever get remarried? No? And I find that very sad because I would have loved him to have settled down to somebody else. But in all honesty, and he said it, you know, he said it to

me before he said it to anybody who listens. I was a big one and I don't think he wanted to play the hand again. You know, he's been with people is that everybody didn't. He didn't stay with anybody. But you know, it's great. We have a great friendship. He comes over and sits in the studio while his son and I record together. Are our son, and he's he's very very much into the process, loves watching, you know, loves being part of it. Um. I'm glad that we

could stay close. It's important. Now your present husband is a German concert promoter. Is that true? Correct? Okay? You are an American transplanted to the UK. And although we live more of a global village than we did, then English people are different than American people. Yes, and then one step beyond that is German. What's it like being

involved with a German guy? Oh? Well, okay, Germans Germans. Um. The annoying thing about German people is how correct they are, and if even if they're gonna fold up a piece of paper and put it into an envelope, it's done perfectly. And this can drive you mad. You know, German efficiency, They really are efficient. I mean I one time was standing in amber at a light. There was no cars and I crossed, and the way they looked at me, I thought I was gonna get shot at Sunrise because

I went against the rules, you know. Um, yes, it's a it's a it's a strange match in that way because I'm very Detroit, you know, and he's very German. But he's been a promoter for many years and worked with a lot of American acts, a lot of British acts, so you know bits of it, rub Off. I mean, it was a big shock when I came here to England. You know, it's so different to America, but it were it works somehow. I don't know the language, okay, but

he speaks, you know, many Germans do speak English. He speaks You're very American, very upfront centered whatever, you know. The English tend to be more reserved, at least with their feelings. Okay, what is the general personality Since you're so closely involved for decades with a German, obviously their language is different and they're more rigid, as you say, But are as the forthcoming as Americans? Are they like Americans?

Are they still different? Well? They they do speak their mind, but they I think just by the nature of the way the language sounds. It's a guttable language, you know. I mean when when when when your husband says to you and that means I love you. I mean, that doesn't sound nice, doesn't you know what I mean? It just doesn't work. Um No, they're very straightforward, very straightforward. They tend to be more harsh with their comments. They don't pretty things up kind of boom you know at

this my husband does. Anyway, he's got a big mouth. I got a big mouth too. So I am the optimists and he's the pessimist, and so we we complete the picture for each other. Does it bother you that he's a pessimist. Well, it's actually part of my book that I'm writing. But that's a fiction book. The fiction book I created two main characters out of the six psychology students, and one of them is called Penelope Perfect and she's she's the optimist. And the other one is

called Max Morose. He's the bits, which I know he's gonna recognize himself. But tell you, Okay, now you're someone who's reading Nietzsche, writing books, playing scrabble words with friends, very into uh words. Yet you dropped out of high school. So do you feel any inadequacy there, something you're covering up for or that's not a factor whatsoever? Um? Well, I've always been clever, and I don't mind saying that I'm a clever girl. Uh, I did leave school early,

and I have a unquenchable thirst for analogy. I always said, maybe that is because I left early. But you know, but then again, when I used to be at school like Kenny Levn TV and all that, and the summer vacation would start, I would go home and the next day I would play school. Is that crazy? It is to me? But keep going, that's not so? But um saying that, Yeah, I'm very well read. Maybe it's to make up for the fact that I did in grade

right high school. But I am now Dr Quatroll by the way, officially, Okay, where'd you get your degree at Cambridge? Honorary Doctor of Music? Wait? Wait, Cambridge like Oxford and Cambridge. I got made honorary Doctor of Music at Cambridge October two thousand sixteen. I am officially Doctor Quatroll. Okay, tell me the backstory there. Well, they called me up and they wrote to me and they said, we'd like to honor you. Would you like to be honored? I said,

are you kidding me? I mean I say it on stage, I say, I say, I am officially Dr Quatro. You know, I can't believe it. I was in tears. I was in cap and gown, you know me. Wow. But that's as good as it gets, I know. I mean, that's better than Yale or Harvard, I mean Cambridge Oxford gets. That's that's the top. You banged the gong, as they say. I know, Dr Quatro, I can't believe it. Every time I think about it. I'm allowed to use it in

my passport and I'm Dr Quatro. And when I stood up to make my speech, my husband was in tears, and I wanted to hold it all together. You know, all these academics out there, Jay's McCambridge and at my speech here. But I pushed it over. That's so much me. I pushed it over and and I just started to talk. And the basic gist of what I said was we all, we all have a job in life, and every one of us, and it doesn't matter rich, poor, black, white,

doesn't matter. We all have a job, and that's to go inside and find that little light and turn it on and let nobody ever switch it off. And then I started to cry, Oh dear, what a moment, What a moment, I'll be forever proud of that, staying with staying with education. Were you when you were in school for a long time? Good student, bad student, class clown friends? What was that like? I was a pretty good student. Um.

I excelled at believe it or not. You have music, English, um, geography crap um, math crap, science and I didn't care home economics I failed dreadfully. Um. Can you can you cook today? I am not known from my cooking I do. I do my cooking in the bedroom. I used to always say that. Um. I would say, Oh, my mother kept for me all of bigfold, all the kids off five kids, religiously, every report card, every immunization, you know, and she gave it to us when we left home.

And I was looking at my report cards just the other day, old ones, seventh eighth grade, and one of the teachers had written, if Susie could concentrate a little bit more instead of trying to be popular, she would do very well. Well guess what. Guess what made me famous trying to be popular? Yes, exactly, So she got it wrong. Okay, you know you're talking about technical stuff. Before we began. Dudge says, you're pretty up on technical and say no, no, no, and you're giving examples. So

how good are you with technical stuff? You ran that, no problem. Well, you gotta remember my generation was not a computer generation, so I had when I finally started to learn it, I had to learn as you need to learn kind of thing. I'm not too bad now, you know. I can do certain things, but I get things wrong. I mean I went into the studio the other day when my son was recording with two other guys in there, and I said, Richard, we need to work on that one song. Did you get the stem cells?

And he just went and the best one, the best one to see. I've told everybody this because it's amazing that fifty eight years in the business that I could do this. I was sitting in the and it's not technical thing, it's it's something else, sitting in there with my guitar, and I had this tuner right, and I wasn't sure how to use it because I've never used it before because I've had hits. So people tuned for me. So anyway, I put this tuner on the tuning peg.

It's called the tuning peg tuner. That's what we've named it. Now. It's a headstock tuner. But I didn't know this, so I couldn't figure out how you made it work. So I figured it would pick up the vibrations from each string. Because I put it, don't even go there. I put it on the tuning peg, and I'm and I've got it on that and I'm following it around as I'm tuning it to see how it's and my son came in and he went, Mom, he screamed to me, and I went, what I knew I was doing something wrong?

He said, what do you do? I start up tuning a Mom, it's a headstock tuner. Where do you think you put it? I said? Oh? And you wouldn't believe that somebody could do something so stupid. Do you normally have common sense and these are just outliers or you're not known for your common sense. I can be both. I'm extremely quick with it. I'm very clever, and I can do really dumb things too. I'm just like that. And it's only because in my brain I thought I

can figure this out. No, I couldn't. It made logical sense to me, Oh don't. It's so embarrassing. How could I do that? It's a head stock tuner, but we all call it now a tuning peg tuner. It's changed names. Okay, let's go back to Detroit. So there are five kids in the family. Not everybody is completely familiar with your history. So where are you in the hierarchy? I I am the fourth out of five, my eldest sister Artie, then my brother Mickey, than Patty, than me, and then Nancy.

Then how many years between everybody? Oh? God, let me think. My dad always called it his two wave of kids. So are Lean and Mickey I think are two years apart, and then there was like five or six years and then Patty, me and Nancy. So you have the two, and I think there was a couple of miscarriages in there and stuff because my mom was always pregnant. I think she had nine pregnancies and five kids. So yeah,

there's there those two and then the US three. And those two were off married and the kids and everything. And it was my elder sister, Patty and I that started the band. Okay, you call him Mickey. For those of us who don't know him, we call him Mike. So was he Mickey or Michael? What's the story? We always called him Mickey? But as I think, he always went professionally as Michael Quadrille or Mike Quadrille, but us kids,

we always called him Mickey. I never called him Michael never. Okay, So just to be clear, how old were those kids? The oldest two kids relatives to the next three kids. But, um, let me see Arleen. Okay, Arlein, now is hang? I gotta see, I'm dumb at Matt's seventy one. She's gonna be eighty this year, so she's nine years older. Mickey is seventy eight, Patty is I'm seventy one, Patty is

seventy four, and then Nancy is sixty nine. So the three of us are worked together in those two Leans nine years old and Mickey seven years older, and then there was five years between Patty, me and Nancy. Okay, you know, I grew up in a family with only three kids. I'm the boy in between two girls, and traditionally there's a middle child syndrome. Every child has a different you know, psychology. So were you kind of lost in the shuffle or did you get a lot of

attention where were you in the family. Um, I wrote a lot of songs based on this. I talked about a quite openly. I was UM, the square peg in the round hole. Always. That's how I saw myself. I mean a lot of its perception, you know, but that's how I perceived it. I didn't fit anywhere my whole life. I didn't fit anywhere. I didn't know where I fit in the family. I didn't know where I fit in the world. I didn't know where I fit um until I but on stage that first time. That that's catting

it short, but that's the truth. Fourteen did our first gig. I remember getting up there with my basse and I went in my head, I went, I'm home. Then I fit. What happens when you don't fit anywhere? And when you you're one of the crowd with five kids, you're one of the crowd. You know, It's just how it is. And Right says I was the Cinderella syndrome, that I was the dark purse. Nobody better. I'm not so sure

if he's got that right, but maybe he does. But I know that the whole time I was growing up, I was searching from my voice for what was like the speech I made, for what my thing was. And I noticed quite young, like maybe eight seven or eight when we started to do family shows. We always did family shows. My dad was a musician, and we would sing and play and you know all that kind of stuff. And I noticed very young that whenever I did my little bit, whatever it might be, the room stopped and

watched me. And I remember going into my brain, I'm good at this. I'm good at entertaining a crowd. I knew it from very young. So I think that's how my life developed after that. I could tell a joe, I could do a sketch, I could act a scene. I could play bongles, I could play piano, I could I could reside a poem. So whatever I was doing, it would hold hold the people. And that's kind of like why I guess I did what I did. Okay, so you're good on stage, needless to say, you can't

be on stage. No one can be on stage more than like two hours. And I so if this late date as your go older, what's it like being lost stage? Um? Do you mean right now? Well? I mean in your life and your interior life. Okay, yeah, yeah, Um, well I mean I I give everything on stage. That's my that's my love. I love entertaining UM, I'll never get tired of It's still every gig, it's the same. Just before I go out, I think, oh God, I hope they liked me. That's always that same attitude when I'm

not on stage. I'm not on stage. That's the performing part of my life. You know, I don't have to be okay. But as I say, if let's assume I dropped by and I said, Hey, we're gonna go hang at people's houses and it's gonna be like fifteen people, there is that something like you're gonna say, WHOA, this isn't gonna work for me, and say, oh, I want to go. I'll talk to everybody, which which where do you feel? Internally? Um, I'm more comfortable one to one.

And I've been told by a lot of different people through the years that if they're having a dinner party that they know that they can sit me anywhere and I will start a conversation with who I'm with. I'm not so comfortable walking into parties of people. I don't know why. I feel a little bit shy. Believe it or not, Yeah, I have. My mom always told me that I was a very shy little girl. There you go, so I guess it's my alter ego, but it is. But I am. I am the kind too. It depends

dinner parties. I'm great at you know, when you can sit and talk, you have your one to once. You know, I don't have to take the stage and be Susie Quatroll when I'm out with a bunch of people. I don't like doing that. In fact, I've been to a couple of parties where they said sing and I've said, no, you and if I did me, didn't you me? That annoys me. You know that they expect you to sing for your supper. If I hones sing, I will. You know, I don't need to be asked. I'll say hey, and

I'll do what I want to do. But don't don't expect me to do that otherwise, you know, I'm I'm like a monkey, like a performing monkey, and that's not who I am. Have a real thing about going out with people, like after a show, for dinner somewhere, if there's friends and stuff, because it's just you have to perform because he's still being Susie Quatra. So I do separate the two. That's why I have the ego room.

And if you read my autobiography, um unzipped. It's written in two people, Little Susie from Detroit and Susie Quatro, and all the way through the book, both people have their say and it's important. Okay. A lot of rock stars do it for acceptance. A lot of performers do it for acceptance, looking for the love that they didn't get, maybe from their parents, or the accepted they didn't get one. Was that an issue too? How are you internally? Are

you still looking for that acceptance? Are you comfortable in your own skin? I'm comfortable in my skin, but I think that that that there is a a need in me. It's in my heart and soul. There's a need in me to go out there and do my show. I love doing it, you know, and I many times I'm up there and I'm being very honest with you. Um, I'll be up there doing a show and I'll think, I'll think to myself, and you're paying me for this.

I love entertaining. I love seeing people come in maybe you know Saturday night crowd like that, you know, and then the swinging from the rafts. I love it. I love what I do. I love having a good conversation with somebody. But I won't do small talk, so be warned. I don't I do not do small talk. If we're going to converse, we're both gonna remember it. And that's how I treat my life. Okay, you said you're very

much as Detroit girl to find that. Uh, there's an edge, There's an energy, there's an acceptance of all the different things that Detroit has to offer. There's an electric there's a danger element in Detroit. I think just about and I've had this talk with many other Detroit musicians. Um, there's something in the air there. And and if you look at a lot of the people, a lot of the musicians to come out of Detroit, you'll you will

see a similarity. You got me, Alice Cooper, Iggy Pop, MC five, Bob Seeger, eminem Kid Rock, White Stripes, God am I forgetting any bocaby, a million people, um, Ted Nugent Uh. And then you got all your motown but all the ones I just said, there's there's something that fits there. You know, it's an edge. Okay. You know, as I say, this is an audio podcast, but we're looking each other via zoom in order to facilitate conversation and as you move your hands, I notice you do

not wear a wedding ring. Do you never wear a wedding ring? What's that about? Um? I got into the habit of not wearing rings at about the age of fourteen when I had on a cheap ring and I was slapping my bass and it broke off and went into my finger. So, because I played bass, I very often don't wear rings at all. If I go off for dinner, I might put it on, but it don't wear a wedding ring. Now, I don't need to. I've never felt the need to wear one. Now I feel

the similar. Had a similar experience. I went to a dude ranch with my parents and we got a ring made out of like a horseshoe nail. And of course when you're a little kid, you're growing and I had such a hard time getting it off. Never wore rings after that. Yeah, it's scar does want anything like that? Yeah? So, I mean it actually went because it was a cheap one, it actually it into my finger. I thought, I don't

need this. So I can never wear any jewelry when I play, And so I guess maybe it's only when I'm going out for dinner or something, and I have a lot of nice jewelry. I'll put my jewelry on, you know. But now I've never been a wedding leen wearer. Now, okay, So you say you grew up your father was a musician, you're playing. To what degree did you take lessons on any instrument? Um? I started on bongo drums at the age of seven, begged my dad to get me a pair.

I wanted to be a hippie and a coffee house, smoking cigarettes, playing bongos and reading my poetry. Okay, Um so I used to go with my dad at the age of seven, round eight when I started to get quite good, and let me sit in front of the trio. Then I took classical piano for eight years at least. Then yeah, oh yeah, I read. I read and write and play classical piano, and I also took percussion. I was in the school orchestra, first chair in the percussion section.

Uh so I'm trained in piano and percussion, and then at fourteen self taught on base. Okay. So, for many peep Benny Boomers, the line of demarcations the Beatles by the same token. There was a lot of popular music, as you mentioned Motown, etcetera happening in Detroit. What do you mean what turned on your lights? Obviously you came from musical family, but what were the records for the type of music that all of a sudden you said, Man, I just got to go in this direction. Yeah, I

got some pivotal moments that are very important. Um, five and a half, I was watching the Ed Sullivan Show with the family, like we all did, eight o'clock at night. Everything stopped Sunday at Sullivan and um, you know, he always would bring on something for the youngsters at the end of the show. And this particular night, Elvis came on and he was doing Don't Be Cruel. And my eldest sister by nine years, she was survited age. She

was screaming, and I remember, like it was yesterday. I looked at her and I thought, cent, what's the matter with you? I was only a little girl. And then I looked back at the TV and I went into the screen. I went into it and lightbulb moment. I'm gonna do that. Don't ask me why, but it happened that age. Wow, And he stayed with me my whole life. It's it's a it's a whole of this whole other interview.

There's like nine elvous epiphanies that you can't write. And then at fourteen, we were watching at Sullivan again and the Beatles came on, and as soon as they were finished, we called our two two friends, sisters and another girl. Everybody's on the phone and we were all oh eyeing over the Beatles, and Patty said, my older sister, she said, hey, why don't we have an all girl band? And everybody said yeah, great, great, great, great great. Everybody chose an

instrument real quick. I want rhythm, I want drums, I want piano, I want lead, and I wait hello, and Patty said to me, you'll play bass, okay? And I did you know? I find base unfathomable, especially forget to stand up base, but just in a regular guitar base. A lot of legendary basses play without frets. Uh, how do you learn him? How do you do it? What without fritz? No? Just base in general? Oh god, I

didn't even think about it. Um. When I was little, I used to put a broomstick and put rubber bands like that, and betime I was doing this. Um, My dad gave me precision to start with. That's like the Rolls Royce of bass guitars. Um. I didn't know that there were smaller bass guitarist. All I knew was this is what he gave me to learn, so I learned it.

I didn't know it was a big bass, but I sort of felt real comfortable with it right away because don't forget, I'm a percussionist and a pianist, and they're both percussion. Pianos is classed as a percussive instrument, so that's where my brain is anyway. Um, And because I learned the bass and became lead singer together, it wasn't difficult because I was playing a singing so everything off.

I learned this and I learned it just fit fitted together like a jigsaw puzzle, and bass became my favorite stage instrument. Oh right away. I fell in love with it very much suited me. Okay, so it's February, the Beatles are on TV. You get on the phone. What is the next step with the group. Then we decided we were gonna have the band. Um, Like I said, I got my bass from my dad. NaN's parents bought her a bass drum and a snare drum in one

symbol because they weren't sure if she was serious. Patty got a cheap guitar, Mary Lew got a cheap guitar. Diane got a little funky little world sir. And we started to rehearse, and we talked to my sister, talked to the owner of the hideout, which was the local dance all that everybody went in too, to let us do a gig there in a month's time, a month a month and we what We only learned three songs and they were the same three chords, so we played

it safe and yeah, we were up a month later. Wow, And that was that was a real wake up call for me, you know, to be up there and I really what wait wait wait what were the three songs? Oh? Latin Blu twist and shout and long talk text And so you get up and you play. What's the reception? Like? It was fantastic? And did you sing longfall text in like the record? Yeah? Well I'm alone tall text in, I ride a bit? Why or is he cons on texas sound a big don't? But oh yeah, I did

it all. I was the lead singer, I was in front, the whole front person. I didn of the songs singing. So after that great debut, what happened with the act? We then started to play colleges teen dances. Um, the drummer went off to college. We went off to ann Arbor every weekend to play the Friday T G I F parties and all that. UM. Then one person dropped out. Then another person dropped out in my elder sister Arlene,

who was married to three kids. She joined the band and her first husband out of seven I love saying that he started to manage the band, so he left his job and he had to support three kids on what we earned. So we worked and we started to become a show band, UM with costumes, playing all the clubs, you know, doing five sets a night. That was pretty normal, forty five on, fifteen off. And we worked all the time.

We worked more than the guys did. And we went into club land, you know, we were a show banding club land. That's where I learned my craft. How much money were you making? Well, I remember being seventeen eighteen and earning a thousand dollars a week, which was pretty good back then. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, I mean he, like I said, he had to earn a living. You know. So he got us good money and we were an all go a band, so we were different, we were unique and it was easy to book us and we

went coast to coast NonStop. I was on the road from fourteen until last year because of the pandemic. Okay, so how did you decide to drop out of high school? I was in New York. We were playing Trudi Heller's in Greenwich Village, fantastic and see end of the summer, it was time for me to go back and finish my school. And I was sitting on the bed in

my hotel and little tiny single bed. I called home collect of course, and uh, I remember because my dad got on the phone and my mother got on the extension and I said, Dad, I think I found what I want to do for the rest of my life and I don't want to come back and finished school. And there was a real silence, and then he said, is there anything I can say to change your mind? And I said nope, And he quietly put the phone down. He cut me off, but he didn't do it mad.

He just went click. And how clever, How clever because I had made this statement and he didn't yell at me. It's almost like click, you better think about that. And I did. I said, on to bed for about maybe twenty minutes or so, and I'm out. I'm out of here. Never regretted it, not for a second. Okay, so this is in the heyday of beans. People have no idea what it was like. There was no internet. Everybody picked up an instrument after the Beatles, there were bands battle

of the Beans everywhere. So now you're a professional, what is your life and career look like? And are your dreams bigger than being in a show band playing clubs? Um? I loved the Pleasure Seekers. It was a fun band, and I was learning all the time. I was enjoying the You know, my god, how I learned how to use my throat without losing your five shows a night. Um. But I didn't care about it being all girls. But I don't do gender. Actually I never have. I've never

I've never thought of myself as a female musician. That's why when I looked at Elvis, I said, I'm gonna do that. Never thought about it being a guy. I just don't do gender. Um. I was a tomboy when I was growing up. But I remember a pivot another pivotal moment. We were setting up the equipment because because sorry about that, setting up the equipment because some we

didn't have a ROADI couldn't afford one. And the lights were growing up and all that, and we were carrying in all of us, the Hammond Oregon, the Hammond organ and my our manager, my sister's husband. He said, now you girls, you girls do realize that all the lights have to go on, Susie, I didn't say that. He said that. I remember being quite uncomfortable with that. Actually, you know, that didn't come from my mouth. I was like, what do you say? But I always kind of knew that,

Um not kind of. I knew that somebody one day was gonna tap me on the shoulder and sec I just knew. I knew it. I had a feeling. So I was learning and enjoy being with everybody, and then and then the call came. I had dreams of every I guess dreams of I don't like the words startom. I think it has negative connotations. I wanted to be well known. I wanted everybody to endure my music. I wanted to be able to reach a lot of people. Um yeah, I wanted to be somebody. Okay, what were

you doing with all the money? Oh that I was baking back then? Uh, buying clothes, got some guitars. God it. It didn't last that long. That big money didn't last that long because Leonder ain't got divorced. So when he stopped managing us, we didn't. We didn't end up doing quite as well. He was a good manager. I have to say he did well. Um, and we still lived at home. You know, I can't say I got reaching either of those fans pleasure seekers or cread or not really. Okay,

we live in the me too era. You're a teenage girl working in nightclubs across America? What is that like? I'm sure you had some experiences were not that comfortable many times. Um. I luckily what I lack in stature I make up for in mouth. So I learned very young to put somebody verbally in their place, and I could do it very easy. Believe me, you don't recover. Um. Sure,

there's been a few incidents, is yeah. One time. I remember one time when guy was at the front of the stage watching the band, and he made this rude tongue gesture you know what I mean, And I took my base as it was part of the show, and I whacked him over the head with it, and then I just had that little innocent look that I'm so great at, you know. Oh sorry, Okay, you paint a picture of a rambunctious, spinning top tom boy. Needless to say, the young men go on the road frequently with the

intention of having sex. Were you sexually experienced? Was this something that was off the table? How did this fit in because on some level you were selling sex to boot Yeah? Yeah, sure. I had a boyfriend of fourteen. We're still in contact now, really good boyfriend. Uh. Then I wasn't very experienced at all. No, quite green. Actually I talked to a good game, you know. I then fell in love with a married man like you do. You know he broke my heart. Yeah I didn't. I

didn't have that many boyfriends. I didn't. No, we were all quite square that way. My mom and there were Catholic. My mother was very strict, and that actually gave me real good tracks to run down. I wasn't one of these sex drugs in rock and roll grow like it was just for the stage, but offstage, quite quite square. My chapman or he says that that I'm doing quite square of stage. And I believe in if you're in a relationship, you're in a relationship. I believe in monogony.

I believe in being. If you're with one person, be with one person. Otherwise, don't be with one person, you know. But I had fun, I had enough fun. But I certainly wasn't promiscuous by any stretch of the imagination. That just wasn't me. In fact, the joke amongst all the male musicians in Detroit was that you couldn't get near the quadrulls. That it was quite funny. Uh no, not not permissing. I'm quite square to the question of drugs

and alcohol. No, In fact, I didn't even get drunk until I was twenty two when I met my ex husband and he said me, you've never been drunk. Maybe I had some beers back in the teenagers, but it wasn't wasn't a drinker. Um. And I had my first drunk with my ex houseman and he took me out to her the Greek restaurant. We had wine and I was dancing on the tables. That's funny. And what about drugs, the normal pop stuff that you do in the in the I was the sixties teenagers, so the drinking parties

were in fact pop parties, you know. But unfortunately, unfortunately, I'm one of those people that when I smoke dope it makes me speedy, and I'm speedy anyway. And everybody's I remember going to I never forget at a pivotal moment in my life again, big pot party where at everybody's smoking. Everybody's like like this, you know, laying around like you do, nobody talking, and I'm going person to person. Yeah, And I heard somebody say to somebody else, next time

you come, don't bring her oh wounded. And as the late seventies hit in in the eighties, come on, it's a big cocaine scene. Were you ever doing coke or were you just a marijuana girl? I didn't even hardy do dope once I saw what it did to me. UM never never not interested. UM. I'm not one of these people that would ever take a drink, even to this day. Although I like a glass of wine, glass of champagne absolutely, um, and I have a good collection

and I'm a snub with wines in champagne like good stuff. UM. Never have needed anything to go on to a stage, and in fact, I don't like it when people do need something. Cocaine just didn't interest to me whatsoever. I've seen a lot of people waste a lot of money up there nose. You know, no, thank you, not for me. Okay, So you're in the Pleasure Seekers, you ultimately make records. Then the band morshed into cradle. You know, that was a time where there was a clear line between It's

not like today where anybody can make a record. There was a clear line between the people who were happening on the radio had deals and the bands were playing in clubs. What were your thoughts into what degree were you're optimistic? Into what degree were you frustrated? Um? Yeah, we got signed by Mercury. We made a few sides, but that didn't work out. Because this is the Pleasure Seekers. They didn't want us to actually play our instruments on the record, and we all didn't like that at all,

so we left the company. Um. Then there was an incident where my brother booked us on his one of his festivals that he started to do, and uh, we we're a custom wearing show band, and we went onto this hippie festival and we died. We died with our stage. We were a show band and it was a bit of a shock because we always did great at clubs. You know, everybody loved us. So we had a big discussion after that, and it was a case of changing

the band around, getting heavy, writing our own material. I would take a step back and mainly just play bass. A little sister would come in and start singing, and it became a serious jamming band, long hair and ty dyed T shirts and one of those. And I didn't

like that at all. We couldn't get signed, and we didn't really have record success in either band, not really um and it was the cradle the band, the second wave of the pleasure Seekers, where the two record companies came and saw us both in one week of each other. Electorate Records came to Detroit, saw the band, didn't like the band whatsoever, offered me a solo contract, and that very same week, Mickey Most came to Detroit, saw the band didn't like the band whatsoever, and offered me a

solo contract. So yeah, there was definitely a line between we're king unit and recording. Yeah, it was srd to get signed back then, but like I said, I witness a solo with Mickey Most and the rest is history. You know, Okay, how depressed were you when the band more than the Cradle and you're no longer the lead singer. I took it with a little bit of philosophical attitude. I thought, Okay, I could see the reasons she's more

in tune with that sort of happening things. She's that age, and she video is a little bit heavier and blah blah blah um. And then I thought that it would be a great opportunity to learn my base really well. So I became really proficient on my bass guitar. But the joy went out for me. I have to say, I'm better as I'm a fun person by nature. So I didn't really enjoy my time in that band at all.

And I didn't like the root it took musically how much heavier and we have to say something politically and blah blah, No, no, I don't want to do that, you know. So um, Like I said, when the two offers came with an week, it was to me a no brainer that it was my time to move on. In that interroom. Before you got those two offers, do you ever think of giving up. No, I'm gonna make

it no matter what, no matter what. Never for an instant, even in London, living in a room that was about as big as this chair, with nobody, you know, just my contract, and going to the studio every day with my less Paul recording basement way more than I did, crying myself to sleep every night, very lonely. Never did I consider giving up. I was always going where I was going. In fact, I've still got that exact same

fire in my belly that I had then. It hasn't hasn't dissipated, even even with all the success, It's still not going. So I guess that's just my nature. Okay, when you're there and your brother Mike brings Mickey mo most to you, what goes through your brain? Um? After after Okay, I just knew it. Mickey was watching and Nancy was singing, and I walked up and I did two songs. And I remember it because I knew he was there, and I was a big as a big fan of his production. I was a huge Donovan fan,

so I loved Mickey's productions, loved him. Um and I remember, I said, I remember doing it. I went here's what I wrote. It's called brain confusion. And then after that I went going to a party at the County and I knew exactly and after the show, he just went like this to me. I just had the feeling, you know, And he said to me, how would you like to come to You gonna make a record? But I thought he meant the band. He didn't mean the band, and and that's a It's in my documentary. It's a well

documented story. Um. He flew Mickey to New York to talk to him, and Mickey came back with the news. But nobody told me that he didn't want the band. He only wanted me, And nobody told me that news. So I could have missed my shot. But about three or four months later, the band started to disintegrate, and I rode my bike to my eldest sister at Need's house, who wasn't in the band anymore for quite a while. She was on husband number two then, and I was

really upset. I said, what am I gonna do? This band? The band is my whole life. Music is what am I gonna do? She said? Called Mickey, I said, why why I've been sending him stuff with the band and you know, and she said he likes you. I said, well, what do he means? She said, he just only wanted you, Susie. And I went what I had, no idea, no idea. I could have missed my shot. That's not right. They should have told me, um. I mean, I know why they didn't. Obviously they will hope me. He's going to

take the whole band, of course. But I called him did that that day and he said, I understand because they didn't want to break up the family band. You say he wanted it. He thought it was out his last legs anyway, and he said to me, uh oh, so the band is going to be split and I said yeah. I said good, you're ready to come over. I said, yep, done, okay slowly you're in Detroit. You literally called Mickey most in England. Yeah, okay. That was

when the transatlantic phone call was a really big deal. Second, I know, and he took the call right away. I just said, Sissor Quadro called Mickey out, Hello, Susie Quadri. He always called me Susie Quadra. Okay, how long thereafter do you end up in London? And where there's any anxiety about going to London, what your parents and peers have to say. Well, I had the two offers on

the table. Electric Records wanted to take me to New York and put a mail band around me and turned me into the next Janis Chapham, which I didn't like it at all, And Mickey Mo said, come to London, we'll record an album who used the best musicians, and I'll make you the first Susie Quadrum. So he saw me, but I went to I had to think about it, and I went to my parents bedroom and my mom was sitting on a chair and my dad was sitting on the bed and we were talking, and I said,

I've had the two offers. Uh, I'm going to take the English offer. And then my mom started to cry because it was going to be so far away. And my dad said something to me that forever pushed me. He said, you do realize, of course, that your sisters won't make it without you. Wow. Talk about a heavy burden to carry, you know, I don't even I think it must have taken me maybe ten years to even join my Hit Records. I always felt bad, so he shouldn't have put that mean, but he did. But at

the same time. He was giving me quite a compliment, but it really was a heavy load that I carried, that really heavy. Okay, so what exact year he moved to England. I arrived October thirty one nine. Okay, so you're twenty one years old. Did they have an apartment for you? What is your life look like now you're in England? They put me in like a little hotel um with a small room, a tiny bed, no bathroom, a mirror with a cracked a sink with a cracked mirror,

and a dirty window. Not a nice room. Not a nice room. And I had come from a beautiful home and gross Point Whids, you know, cross Point Farms actually at that point. Um wow, I spent so much a long time there then, Like I said, I used to cry myself to sleep every night, but I kept thinking to myself, this is my pay, my due is part of my life and I will make it. And I promised myself I would not go back to Detroit without hate records. Okay, you talk about low moments during that year.

Generally speaking, now you've got a lot of the whole life look back upon. Do you have low moments? Do you get depressed or those times that never really happened to Susie Quadro Oh gosh. I get those all the time. But as an artist, they're my favorite moments because I create. You know, I've got a poetry book. I've got a lyric book. I've just got an Instagram book. A year on lockdown, I'm writing songs all the time. Whenever anything happens to me, I let it. I'm the kind of

girl that walks through the fire I do. I let it burn, and I come out of the other side, and then I will either put it in a poem or a song. I get lots of low moments, but luckily I'm I'm basically a glass offtball person. Basically I am so the low more and they don't stay long. I get them out. You have to get them out. At one time, I was not you know this book.

I just put up called them through my Thoughts Coffee table my third in my series of coffee table books, and it was on a year long of lockdown, so it was like a year in lockdown. I did Instagram and I made it into a book with some narrative, just put it out and one one one that I wrote which every morning I wake up, lockdown, can't see my husband, he's in Germany, so really alone, couldn't see

my kids alone. And I would wake up every morning religioucy from March to March to one figure out what my day is like, find the right picture and the right uplifting message or maybe not uplifting, however, I was feeling with short message. One message, I wrote, oh, you know, hello, good morning, and this and them about it up um and depression. Don't come knock on itt my door. You're not getting in. That was in the more. At midnight, I hit the wall, and I mean I hit the wall.

I couldn't stop crying. I couldn't stop crying. So my next Instagram the next day was smartass shut up you know really, I said, uh, I'm sharing this with everybody because obviously the depression was skirting around the edges of my mind and I was I was be at all ha ha. I said, it didn't even knock on the door. It just came in, you know. And it's okay to cry, It's okay to hit that wall, which we all have

to do. You shouldn't stop it. I felt better after crying, you know, but yeah, I've hit the wall a lot of times during this, but I bounced back. I just you say your husband was in Germany. Was that just during lockdown or do you spend a lot of time a part normally. Well, he lives in Germany and I

live in England. And for the past twenty seven years that's worked beautifully because here's ten minutes from the airport in Hamburg, and I have ten minutes from the airport here fifteen minutes and we just and we were and he goes on the road with me, he has done since he retired from his promoting. He just looks after me. So we go on the road. Um, you're coming here? Am I coming there? That's the life we've had. Were either going somewhere together or he's coming here and I'm

going there. And then all of a sudden, lockdown and that was over. So all of a sudden, I am alone and so we see and we had only skype, only skype. So every morning tears, you know, tears. It's been really hard. And I can't go over there with him full time, and he can't be here full time because this is my house and that's his. So everything is the way we like it, you know, So we've we've managed to make it through. It's easing up a bit now. Five months apart last year all together, and

three months so far this year. He's coming over on Sunday pre COVID. If there are three hundred and sixty five nights in a year, how many are you together? Um? We usually are a part for maybe together two and a half weeks apart for two and a half to two weeks. Two weeks and two weeks. It probably averages out like that. And has it been that from day one in the relationship yet? I didn't think I would like that, you know. And he was the one. He kept saying, oh, a lot of a lot of professional

couples lived this way, blah blah blah. And now you know, it's just like when I said, depression, you're not coming in ha ha. He hates it, and I'm fine, and I'm fine. I'm actually fine with it. So he's the one hating it now and I'm the one that's saying it's fine. Okay, So you're in this little hotel room. What are you literally doing professionally? For that next year? We are recording Mickey signed me as a singer song. We're writing a musician. Um, so I'm writing all the time.

He got me a little studio to work in with the piano and an amp and a bass, and I'm writing, and we're in the studio with some big people, Um, Peter Frampton playing on some of my stuff, Big Jim Sullivan on guitar, Alan White on the drums. From Yes. I mean, we had serious people me on the base so making stuff. Um, but it was a very Mickey would be the first rest in peace. Mickey. He would be the first to say he never was quite sure

how to get me on record. He knew what he knew what I was, and he didn't know what I was. He was always searching, and you know, so we weren't making the right kind of records. And finally, after about oh a year, mab a year and a half, I said, I've been advanced since I've been fourteen, Mickey, you know that's what I do. I said, I need to get a band here and start working because I'm going crazy, you know. He said, okay, So I auditioned and I

got a band. That was the turning point for me. Um. He put us on the circuit, on the college circuit, doing all my own materials. So really, now I'm developing. I got my band, you know, now everything's making sense. And uh. Then we went on the first ever national Slade tour and they were having hits before I had mine. Mickey called his friend Chase Chandler, who used to be bass player for The Animals, and he said, I got this girl. She's gonna be huge. Can you put her

on opening the show? He said sure, So I had twenty minutes at the beginning of every show, then then Lizzie and then Slade and all my own stuff. And by the time that tour was over, I was in love with my guitar player. We wanted to get married, and the band had a sound, had a sound we had developed. Obviously, you're playing every night, you're gonna find your sound. And Mickey then had just signed Chinn and Chapman songwriters, and he said to me, do your mind,

because I'm the songwriter. He said, do your mind if they come along and see a show and try to craft a hit single out of your sound. And I said, I don't mind whatsoever. The good writers, you know, So they came and heard and if you hear the first album, you'll hear all my stuff is to do is very boogish, you know. So they heard what we did, they heard the set, and they went away WI can the Camp And that was my first number one. A little bit slower he gets them, they see you live. Tell us

about the creation of can the Camp. Uh, Mike came in with this. If you want, don't ever give Mike a guitar because he's on eleven all the time and he likes screeching, you know. But anyway, he heard the sound, he came. But he came up with this demo of just lots and lots of noise and guitarist and him singing, and he played it for us and we liked it, and we down into the rehearsal room at the record company, all of the all of us musicians, and we worked

on the arrangement of this song. So the drummer came up with to do. He came up with that excellent um. Lenny came up with his little choppy way of playing it, and I came up with the nice boogie base line. And we had a great great keyboard player, Alistair. Oh. He was so good. He's he's called so many of them are dead. Anyway, he came up with that, and

it all took shape very quickly. The band, everybody put their stamp on it with their instrument, and then Mike said to me, sing it here, and I sang it, and he went sing it here. By saying it, sing it here, I said, Mike, that's the top of my range. He said, that's where it's gonna be. So he took me right up. He said, something happens to your voice up in that register. Took me right up there. And when we were making it in the studio, I put the doom do, which really became a real key factor.

That was Lenny's idea to doom with do do do a medal base rift there. And then when we were done, I've done the vocal and everything, and Mike said I need something just here, and I went right and I went out. I did my famous I've been doing it since I've been fourteen, my famous scream. And it's a good one. It really is. Makes the hairs on the back of here that going. Max said, that's the magic. So how long did it take to cut the record? And how long after that was it released to the marketplace?

And let me see, now we cut it must have been just after the Slave, so it would have been around January, February, March about March, and then, um, that was all put together. I was number one in May, so we we just cut that one side first and then I hit number one in May. I was twenty three, had my first number one nearly three, and then Mickey said, we need to make the next single right away and the album. So then we went and started to record

the album. So they came out after the second hit single, after forty eight crash. That was great, That was great. A couple of things. Mike will say that he wrote the songs and Nikki was just a business guy. You align with that, or you see Nikki having an influence on the material. Um, I mean, Mike's a very good friend of mine. You know, we're still very close. And he would say him he said many for many years. At the beginning, probably says for the first four or

five years that Nikki Chin was very important. And because he used to edit, he'd say what you got, Mike would play it, and he might change a word here and there. He was maybe good at hearing a certain word or whatever. But but in reality, Mike was more the writer Nikki did what he did whatever he did in private, and Nikki was very good at business. And when I did my big documentary, when I was doing

my radio shows, I did fifteen years on BBC Radio two. Um, everybody that they talked to that got included in the interviews when the documentary came out, they all said the same thing. So Nikki would tell it different, but that's how Mike tells it. Okay, So you hear the version finished version of Can That Cant Do you immediately say, holy sh it, this is hit record. He say, well, we made it. We'll see what happens. No, you could hear it. Um, you got goose bumps. So I had

no doubt that was gonna Mickey heard it. He said, this is number one. It's the number one. Um. You know when you hear a song like that, that's gonna be here, you know it. You know it. It had something had an excitement about it. Um. He called me into his office and it was about a month before the record was due to come out, and he said, we have to talk about image now. He said, you're gonna have a number one with this. We need your image. What do you want to wear? Great story of this.

I said leather, of course, Elvis and he said no, no, no, no no. And I said, Mickey, I want to wear leather. Said no, it's it's old hat. It's been done, and I said not by me. And he went and he looked at me and he said, how about a jumpsuit? And I said, yeah, this is when I can be naive. I said, yeah, great, And I'm thinking to myself how sensible that is, because I'm a real energetic performer and everything will stay in place. And I had no idea until I got the pictures back that it was sexy.

And that's why that photograph works, because it doesn't look like I'm trying to be sexy. I didn't know I was being sexy. But when the pictures came back from being to choose, I looked at them and I went, oh, oh, dear, oh dear. If I don't it's very funny. Don't see you don't see yourself that way, you know. But there was a pivotal moment again just before we just I went just watching the time you just before we move on. Um, when I was in the studio, the photographic studio with

a very big photographer, gard make of its. He's done, everybody, including the Stones, and I was standing there in my brand new jumpsuit. The boys were sort of lying on this table around my feet. I was a leader of the gang and my record was playing in the background, and my first ever proper photo session in my jumpsuit, and I remember the photographers saying to me, okay, now give me that Susie Quatro look, and I had one. The funniest thing is I didn't know I had one.

I'm just gonna grab the box set so I could show you the look and you'll see what I mean one second, because I'll never forget this as long as I live, because I you know, you're searching, searching, searching, and then somebody says something like that to you, and you you do it, and then everything, all the pieces of my my performing jigsaw puzzle, my personality, it all came boom. I remember this picture being taken. I hope believe I'll remember the picture too. See can you see

what I mean? Absolutely, it's a legendary picture. But okay, you're instantly a sex symbol. What's it like being inside the jumps dude and everybody looking at you. To me, it was it was right. It felt good. Um, when you when you don't grow up thinking of yourself as a good looking, sexy girl, even wearing that and being looked at is not going to change your inside, you know.

And I always say to my husband that, thank goodness I didn't grow up that way, because what that did was that give me a very natural balance to being stared at and being a sex, very natural balance to it all. Because I don't take it serious, you know. I mean, they're loving Susie Quadro, and so I do separate that way. I mean most of the time. And it happens all the time. The guys will come up and they go, oh, oh no, I had you on my wall, your poster, and you know that. I said, yes,

I know that, thank you enough information. They want to share it with you, you know. So I don't take it serious. I just don't take it serious. That's Susie Quadro. That's Susie Quatro. Okay, okay, Now, performing leather is not that easy. It gets hot and sweaty. I mean, what was I'm like, Well, you know, look at this idiot here, I'm five ft two. I picked the heaviest instrument and the hottest outfit. So what am I like? I could have played flute and satin. You know, Um, I just

got used to it. I I when I zipped that up, I still wear it. I become me, become her, become me. She is me, She's part of me. But it's still performing side. I love. I love the jumps It's what a great what a great image. And I could still do it now at seventy one. I mean, my god, how lucky am I to have the same image. That's fantastic. That means it worked because Mickey's idea was a jumpsuit. Why did you want to be in leather? From Elvis?

That's another pivotal moment. I saw him on the Comeback Special. I was eighteen, and I decided leather was for me, and I went and bought my first leather jacket. Next pivotal moment, we're making the first album and we record I'll Shook Up. Next pivotal moment, I'm touring America with my English band. I've had hits. I'll Shook Up is

in the charts. Um, I me in Memphis and the phone rings and it's Elvis's people, and all of a sudden he gets on the phone, I knewly died, and he said, uh, I've heard your version of All Struck Up and I think it's the best. It's my own and would you like and would you like to come to grace Land? And I went, I'm very busy right now, not because I was scared, because I wasn't ready and I figured i'd have another chance to meet him and I didn't. Next pivotal moment, I have to go through

these now that I started. Nineteen seventy seven, I come from Japan to l A. I auditioned for Happy Days. Um they said okay. I met the director at the funds, read for the part. They said, go back to your hotel when we'll give you a call. We have to discuss you. So I've put on the TV. I'm sitting next to the phone waiting for them to call. TV is on in the background, and they called and they said, we don't just want you for the two part episode,

want you for fifteen episodes. I went great, And just as they were saying that, the TV said, news flash, the King is dead right. You can't write this stuff simultaneously. Then two or three months later I'm there to do my first taping of Happy Days and the director comes over with a little little man and he said, Susie, I'd like you to meet this guy. His name is Nudy and he's gonna be doing all your costumes for the show. That was Elvis's personal Taylor, you cannot write

this kind of stuff. Okay, then it's not coming out to the end of it. Now, I'm doing my tribute song to Elvis et and google it when we're done, called Singing with Angels Um. It was done in Nashville with James Burton on guitar and the Jordanaires. Gordon Stoker had come out of his hotel bed to sing on

this song. I wrote it about Elvis, so that that is the final, the final one, so I finally beat used a thing with him, and the compliment that I shall take to my grave is I was outside with James Burton, took a little break from recording, and I gave him my headphones and I was playing him a few tracks from the album I was recording and he's listening and he took off. He said, you know, Susy, I gotta tell you something. I said what he said? You got what over said, and I went even when

I said, now, my heart stops. I said, what what do you mean? He said, I can only explain it this way. Whatever you do, it's you. Wow. Wow, Let's go back to can the Can it's number one. It is very hard to follow up a hit. Was it all moving so fast you didn't think about it? Or were you anxious? How am I going to follow this up? I had no doubt I would follow it up. I was on a roll. My time had come. I was ready. Okay, Like with everybody, the role eventually comes to an end.

How did you deal with that? How did I just say say it again? You know, eventually everybody on the chart their day and somebody else takes the throne emotionally? How did you deal with it? Deal with that? Um? I never felt like I went anywhere. I've always just been a working artist. I never went anywhere, So I

I never had that syndrome. Um, what for me? Once you make it to a certain level and you're out there and you know you're playing for the crowds, and you're doing tours and you're all the time working, and whether you're having hits in the charts doesn't really make any difference because you've made your name, and then you're a working artist, and you're you're doing the circuit, the festivals and the private gigs and this and that. So

I've just always rolled along. I've never felt left out because even in the eighties, I I keept, I kept changing tracks. You know, UM did did the acting, I did musical. Okay, wait wait, wait, before we get to the changing, how did you feel being a Detroit girl that, prior to stumbling in none of these gigantic records in England crossed over in America. Now, wasn't only you the other it's very successful acts to talking about Slade, etcetera. But how did you being an American? How did you

feel about? There was something? There was a couple of year period of a lot of stuff happening everywhere else. Knew it wasn't happening in America. I used to go tour there um all the time. We saw quite a few albums, you know, but the hit records didn't translate. And every time I went over, I always noticed that it was Linda von Stadt and the Eagles all over the radio. Um in my documentary has explained very well by Mike Chapman by Debbie Harry by all these people.

I was a little bit early. You know, they weren't quite ready for this bass playing leader of a rock band to to do it. You know that I had more of a cult status in America, and it wasn't until I did Happy Days. In fact, this is my own take on it, and they saw this bass playing girl that all of a sudden it became okay, that's how I see it happening. So they didn't discover me as Susan Quasta. They discovered me as Leather Tuscadero being played by Susan Quadrow in America at that point in time.

Happy Days in Laverne and Shirley, which were done by the same people, were the number one in two shows they juggled. What's it like being on a number one television show which has international reach even beyond the records. Yeah, fantastic. Um. I was very It was a decision I took to to even try out for that part, you know, but I always I knew I could act, so I wanted to do it. One of the nicest three three three years of my life. I've kept good friends with Henry,

good friends with Ron. We email all the time. Um. In fact, I one time Astron recently we were talking. I was curious, I said, did I ever feel when I joined the show like I was a brand new person on the show, a new actress? He said no, he said, you were just in the show. It was like you had been there from the beginning. I can't figure out how that happened. It was a really natural fit for me, you know, pretty natural. And I love

I love acting. It's my second love if I have one. Okay, do you say, both in words and in the documentary that you could have continued. Do you regret that you did not continue being on the show and having your own spin off? No. I. I spent a lot of time with Henry, and he was always talking about how he was always going to be the Funds, you know, and he's a fine actor. And that went into my little brain a bit. And then I thought, well, I'm Sushi Quatro everywhere in the world. I now Susi Quatro

playing leather tuscadero. So do I really want to box myself into being that person for the rest of my life? And the answer was no, I did not want to. And I went on to do a lot of other different kinds of shows, you know, And I did musicals and you know, Midsummer Murders and ab Fab and five or six different series that I did. And I made the right decision at the right time. I did enough of Leather Tuscadero. I didn't need to keep doing it. Okay,

not long after that, you have children? Did you always want to have children? And did Why did you decide to have them at that point and what was the experience? Like, I always wanted to have kids. I come from big family myself. That was a no brainer. Who was going to have kids I wanted for Unfortunately, I'm too small and I had two cesareans. They were kind of dangerous. I wasn't allowed to get pregnant again. I wanted to

have them before thirty. Then I found that I had trouble getting pregnant, low fertility, and I had to have a little bit of help, and I finally got pregnant at thirty two and thirty four. Always going to have kids, but I insisted that the kids come on the road with me. That was one of my things I said to my ex. We argued about it. I said, I don't have kids and leave them at home. So we had to live in nanny and we took them on the road until they got to proper school age. Um, yeah,

kids is great, Kids is great. They they changed your life. You you you have no idea what love is until you have a child. Wow. Did I just say that many perfooms. Uh, I have guilt that they did not spend as much time with their children growing up as maybe someone with traditional job. Is that enter the picture

at all with you? No, it doesn't because I had arguments about it, and I insisted, and they came on the road, so I would get my sleep from the gig before on the road, and then they would come to spend the afternoon together. You know, I tried to make up for when I was home, I'm not on the road. I was boring. I never went anywhere. I stayed here in this house with the kids, so they were with me on the road, and when we were home, I was here. My ex used to get quiet, annoyed.

Why don't we ever go? I said, no, I'm here. So no, I didn't leave them when they went to school age, and then you couldn't keep taking them out. Then there was a few tourists maybe where I had to do a couple of weeks in Australian then they would lie out in their break that that happened sometimes. But I never deserted my kids. No, I was. I was a hands on mom and that was not easy because I was also the bread earner, so I had

to wear eight million different hats. You know, now, a lot of children of famous people, celebrities, Uh, their childhoods are not easy. They end up drugs, alcohol, bad actors. How do you work out with your kids? They're they're pretty normal to um No, they haven't got they haven't got any problems, any addiction problems. My daughter can drink, she's half Scottish. Um No, No, they're fine, They're well adjusted. My son has had two successful albums with me. He's

producing people now. He's a fine guitar player. My daughter has a good job, she's a good singer. She's got her my granddaughter, and she's got a foster kid. Now that you know, I made sure that my kids were as normal as possible. I didn't raise them as show showbiz breadths at all. Okay. In the documentary, a huge turning point is when you take the gig in any get your gun, let's kind of separate some of these things out. Hey, how did you make the decision to

do that gig? And in the documentary that says it closed a for a huge riff with your first husband. What was going on all through that? Um? Okay, I had my kids. I was branching out into different bits and pieces. You know, you can't go on the on stage when you're pregnant because that's not good for the baby. So I had two years where I wasn't on the road, not all the like when I got bigger. When I got bigger three or four months, I was fine. Um,

I'd wanted to And an offer came up. I was offered the role of Annie and Annie Gets Your Gun and we had to tour boat in Australia. And I remember saying to Lenny, this is an offer or we had we had an offer of a tour. It wasn't booked, obviously, I said, I will not turn this down. I always wanted to try my hand at musicals. I love musicals. And Annie Gets your Gun. Wow, what a perfect fit for me, sharp shooting girl. You know a tom Boy? What a perfect fit. Um. I slid into it. Again.

It wasn't difficult. Um. I took to it like a duck to water. Love the songs, love the whole process of doing a musical, loved the discipline of it. Absolutely loved it. Um yeah wow. But my husband, and you know, he had to sit around during happy Days. Didn't like that. And he had to sit around during Annie. He's a guitar player. So that started to cause a little bit

of a rift. If you had not taken those two gigs and you'd worked in the band with the marriage, have worked and continued, or was it going to end in any event? I think it was going to end in any event because I think I think he kind of drifted after the kids. I don't I don't even know if he wanted kids. You know, it was we were we were growing up heart, you know, And I love him dearly still I say it to my husband. I'll always love him. Not in love anymore, but always

will love him. Um. We stopped communicating. That's the killer. So how did you tell him? I wrote a song called Free the Butterfly, and I brought it down and played it from beautiful song. You should google it, and I thought he would get it, but he didn't. All he said afterwards was nice song, sues it's about the ending of her marriage. Um. Yeah, finally, it took me six years from from the time I knew that we were,

not that I was falling out of love. It took me six years to go because I had kids and I'm a Catholic girl, so he had he had to really think, get through and make sure one million percent that you were making the right decision. And then finally I knew. And when I knew, I knew, and I just said, that's it, that's it. How long was that after you played him the song? Probably two years? Okay, So you're working in and get your gun. All of

a sudden you start spreading your horizons. You're writing books, you're acting, you have a radio show. How does that all come about? And is that fit in with your philosophy? Is it new? Because is it exciting because it's new? Where do you say, well, I'm a rock chick, should I be doing that? What's going on? I don't think about any of those things. Um, I'm quite comfortable as this, very comfortable. This is who I always will be. The suit stuff fits, by the way, But I am an artist.

I gotta start five everybody. You're telling me the same jumpsuits you wore in the seventies. You can no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, no no no. Okay, for a minute, there you're no no no, no no no. Of course not, of course not. I would have to be you have to be a miracle for that. But I do have older ones, you know, newer ones, and they fit. But of course they made for me. Now, of course you're not the same size, Um, not exactly anyway. But I'm still pretty good. Let's let's put it this way. They

still look good, okay. Um. I'm an artist and I can't help with be an artist, and I am a communicator and entertainer and a creator, and that's what makes me tick. So I have to do those things I have. I love doing radio. It's communicating on the air. I love writing, it's communicating through my words. I love writing songs. It's it's all about that for me. I have to create. I I can't exist without creating. Okay. There's a cliche in the music business. It's not about the money. It's

about the money, okay. So let's go back nicky most And in that era, traditionally, the acts had to cough up there publishing and they had lousy record deals. What was your experience in the seventies. It was notorious after the sixties when record companies were throwing money at everybody. The seventies thing got very tight. So I had a normal seventy deal, seventies deal which I be negotiated when

we negotiating came up. Um, I never got cheated by Mackey was very fair with me, ironed, ironed, pretty good. You know. I bought my first house with cash, so not bad. But make Mickey put me with a good accountants and everything, and he was straight with me, and yeah, I'm fine. I don't have to worry about money. Okay.

Needless to say, the songs that uh uh Mike Chapman wrote, the singles you don't collect on, but all of these other songs you just get the writer's share in the rack days or do you have any of the publishing? Um I was signed with my publishing to Mickey, so yeah, I get publishing. Sure, I have published cents on the dollar. The old deal is the publisher owns the publishing and gets and the writer gets. We that we had that,

we had that fifty fifty. But now I've now got seventy thirty because they do all the administration for me. I have Butterfly Stroke Rack Publishing, and they do the administration for and I get it. And who is they? Let's assume you never worked again. You have enough money to get to the end more than any now in style. In style, I can drink a nice bottle of champagne every night of the week. Okay, record royalties which are different from publishing royalties. A lot of vacts say they

don't get those. I don't people with hit records or not getting any record royalties not now right streaming? Yes, but are you getting any royalties from the records as opposed to the songs? It's hard to get. It's it's hard. That's hard. I get a lot, a lot from the the publishing and the PRS and all the other thing. But uh, this is a big, big wrong thing that's happening. And I feel sorry for the young X coming along right now. Um, the streaming needs to be addressed. It's unfair.

A lot of big acts are coming out and saying so PRS has just send out things to everybody. We're addressing this that the artists, you know, nobody's a lot of people don't buy records anymore, so you're not getting royalties from there, and streaming doesn't really pay you much. So this it's not a good business, not route for a lot of artists, and it needs to be addressed and put right or people will stop making music. Okay, so you talk about the fact you need to create.

You recently put out a new record. What keeps you going at this point in time? Creation? God, every time I write a new song, I get excited. Every time I come up with a great line of the song, I get excited. I was up in my bedroom the other night writing poetry from my next poetry book, Flying, I'm Flying. I love I love creating something I can't explain to any better than that. And I've always been the same. I love lyrics, you know, and I've I've

still got. Unfortunately or unfortunately, depending on which side of the fence you're sitting on, I have a lot left to say. I'm not done. As everybody, as generations change, the audience gets smaller. Does that bother you that you might write a book and it might reach fewer people, or you might play to one quarter of the audience. Used to play. Is that depressing at all? Or still

you're good it hasn't happened. I mean I knew here as zeeve uh two thousand nineteen, just before the pandemic year, I played to fourteen thousand people. And here's the funny part. I'm standing there doing my two hours show with an interval, you know, fantastic, and I'm looking at fourteen th people and it's the only time I ever thought this, because when I'm on stage, I'm I'm in the I'm on the stage, I'm concentrating, you know, I'm there in the moment.

If somebody sneezes, I hear um, you know, I'm I'm there. And I looked at all those people, and I thought to myself, very fleetingly, you know, if it all stops tomorrow, I'm gonna go out on a high. And then it stopped. Oh my god, what did I say that for? Idiot? Just like when I said, oh, depression, don't come knock it out my door. I gotta learned to shut my my brain, you know. But yeah, I'm still playing huge. I'm I had shows in the book last year, all

sold out solo shows with interval, which I love. Two hours I love it, take you right the way through everything you know, from bongos to everything. And I had the same book this year. Of course, a lot of them are postponed to two thousand twenty two. Um, I'm still pulling in the crowds. So are we gonna have to scrape you off the stage as you die of a heart attack at some late age or would you ever call it a day? I think if I ever ever find myself going on that stage and putting on

a phony smile. I was stopped. But I do have a famous quote which I'm going to end this interview with because it's my famous quote. I said it when I was thirty five years old. Okay, some idiot at thirty five said to me, what are you going to retire? And I said, when I go on stage, turn my BA back on the audience and shake my ass. And their silence then I stopped. Hasn't happened yet, but a

big Susie. You're unbelievable, you know you always do. Until you actually talk to someone, you don't really know what they're like. You know, you can tell a story, and I understand why you're successful. You tell a great story. Even someone who knew nothing about you would be entertained. Thanks so much for doing this. Oh well, thank you and thank you for that compliment. I take that that that see that goes to my heart. Thank you, thank you very much. Until next time. This is Bob Leftson