Ep. #125 – The UFO Whistleblower Update – And, Why the Skepticism?

think are pretty cool. So I wanted to make this short update video for you bring you that update. But also to kind of give you some thoughts of where I'm at with it. If you couldn't tell from the from the first video I dropped to today. Now, as you can tell from that video, for those who did watch it, I'm pretty skeptical about the claims. And it's not just because I or anybody else who's skeptical about the claims, wants to be a debunker and is pushing back on any good

development that has happened. Quite the opposite. When it comes to me, you have to keep in mind for those who haven't been around the field. For decades, I've been around this UFO stuff for about 27 years. And in that time alone, I have seen numerous high ranking either government or military officials, or private corporation, but highly cleared when it came to

classification. Let's say from Lockheed Martin, a Boyd Bushman comes to mind highly cleared individuals working on top secret stuff irrefutable that they are, but have these grandiose claims of even speaking with aliens, or having photographs of aliens. Philip Corso is another one that has come to mind, you know that, look, it's a book that will forever live in infamy in this field. But really, our world didn't change after he came out, he didn't really bring anything

with it. But for the price of his book, you can hear all about a lot of his claims, and so on and so forth. And those are only two off the top of my head. I mean, there's a lot more over the years that have come forward, some with more grandiose claims than others. So skepticism towards David grush is not because it's David grush. And we want to, you know, completely combat any type of claim that's made today. No, it's rather based on a long history of people making these

types of claims. But saying, trust me, I have the proof, but I can't show you. Now, David grush could have every good intention in the world, and even believe what he's saying, I can absolutely buy that. But whether or not he is being played, or that he caught that he was being played, or he's misinterpreting information, or whatever the case may be. Again, you don't need to automatically label somebody a liar. They could absolutely believe what they are telling you. But what they are

telling you is not necessarily the truth. So the skepticism, I think is well deserved, again, for dealing with the big picture, dealing with all of these claims that have come around for decades. I think it's the right approach to treat this with the same amount of skepticism as all the other ones that have come forward, but sadly, fell flat on trying to

prove their grandiose claims to us. But that brings me to the newest development which makes David Gratias story kind of stick out compared to the rest whether or not it's true or not. This is where it gets kind of cool. And now I'm kind of popping the popcorn in the back in my kitchen there waiting for what I hope is going to happen now. First, let me public, let me publicize and give credit where it is due to the journalist who broke this story, Matt Laszlo, and or Laszlo. I'm

sorry if I pronounced that incorrectly, Matt. But but all credit to him for breaking this story just a couple of days ago that Kirsten Gillibrand is organizing a hearing with David grush. And possibly, along with other current and former government officials, who seemed to cooperate crushes claims. Now that makes grush automatically stick out from the rest, because here we are with a hearing potentially getting grush in front of the cameras in front of the Senate for a open hearing

available to the public. Again, as Matt reports here. jelibean says they'll be open to the public if grush agrees to allow cameras in. Now I'm a little surprised that that just simply be because if you're giving, let's say whistleblower protection or immunity, per se, to this person who's making the claims, why is it their choice then to have cameras in the room, I get it. Maybe they they get uncomfortable, maybe they don't want to blast people's names in front of everybody,

that's fine, we can make certain stipulations. But we're talking about not only grandiose claims, and I don't want to diminish this, but but rather things that taxpayers paid for whether by illegal funds or not, we are still putting the money into the coffers, we have a right to know. And these are our elected representatives who are going for this information, and going to put grush under oath, put him in front of the committee, and essentially have him tell his story. I don't believe that he

should have that choice. That's not to be offensive towards grush at all, but rather, come on, let's This is ridiculous. We shouldn't allow him to make the stipulations. If he wants to make the claim. Let's make them he doesn't have to put accusations on anybody. Those can absolutely be behind closed doors. So he doesn't have to name names. But let's, you know, either make up pseudo names or something. But I think the

public definitely has a right to know. So I'm a little surprised to that maybe that's just protocol and procedure for for experts that they're going to bring in. So fine, you know, it is what it is. But my disagreement stands on whether or not that should actually happen. But definitely check out Matt's blog here and reporting I on his website, and I'll link

that in the show notes below. So you have that and you can explore more in depth, he's actually written some more stories since since this one, not going to go through all of them. But again, full credit to him. He's the one that broke the story. He's the one that deserves the credit. So make sure you go check out his website, and in take a look at this exclusive story that he wrote. But I want to switch gears a little bit with that

development. So there's the update, right, I wanted to just give you like, this is where we're at if if the Senate is finally taking this seriously, and they're gonna put grush under oath in front of their committee. That's great. And I hope that it happens, right, I'm crossing my fingers. I hope that the that the Senate will hear from grush. I hope that he agrees to have cameras. And I hope we all hear a little bit

more about his story. But switching gears a little bit here is the deepest part of my skepticism about Russia's claims. And although I covered it a little bit in the first video I did on this, I want to punch the note again with a little bit more detail because I think it's deserving. And I think that this can be applied to anybody who's essentially bringing forward any other types of claims that are grandiose, and nothing happens to them, meaning they don't get taken

away in cuffs for spilling security secrets or whatever. I think that this is something that we have to take into consideration all the time. And it's routed to the security classification guide on Aeon UAP. And I believe that this is going to be a key part in unraveling this mystery on what truth there is behind grush. Now I hope that I am wrong. However, this has bothered me since day one. So I'm going to explore it a little deeper with you. Because I got a lot of questions

for my skepticism when it came to this as well. What and I had brought up the the guide briefly but also the dotser approval for grush being able to speak about all of his claims that he has been with, with essentially clearance from the Department of

Defense and their arm called dotser. Now, quick refresher dotser is the arm of the DoD that essentially reviews information from former or potentially even current DOD personnel that want to speak about something, but they are or were a clearance holder and adopters job is to ensure that nothing that they talk about no claim that they make no program that they talk about, know anything encroaches into, to to

classify territory. But the key is, is that all they're looking for they do not endorse the information and they do not fact check the information. They ensure that no classified information is within somebody's manuscript or book, television, screenplay letter, speech, PowerPoint, presentation, whatever. That's what they are, they're there for and they are cleared at the top secret level and their protocols and procedures allow them to look at what is being put in front of

them, review it and then make that determination. Once they make that determination. They will put on their a stamped for open publication. And that's it. Now part of brushes story was that, as we are told, he did this. He took his information. He took his claims he put them all on paper on what he was going to say to apparently Leslie Kane, Ralph Blumenthal. And later news nation, put them to dotser and said, Okay, I want

to talk about this. And he got the open clearance to do it. Now in Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal's article that was published in the debrief. That was a point that was punched. Why? Because it's interesting, because he got the clearance. But when you dig a little bit deeper, the question should be, why did he get the clearance? If so, if this stuff is completely, highly classified at the most top secret level, entrenched into Special Access Programs, and so on, and so forth, it

should have never passed dotser. And the biggest pushback on that was two things. The first being doctors not cleared, they're not high enough to be cleared. So they're not in the know. So to them, it's all bunk. But in reality, they're just not read into the program. Now, I'm sorry, that does not hold any weight whatsoever to me, because again, their entire job is to ensure that no classified information spills out into the

open. But that does not automatically mean that they have to be read in to every single Special Access Program or anything like that, in order to determine that because when somebody puts information before them, I've never worked for adopter never worked for the DoD despite those conspiracies about me. However, I know enough to know that they're probably going to do their due diligence to at least put some feelers out, take

that information. And even though they're not clear to again, have carte blanche access to every special access program, and government secret that that has existed, from the beginning of the government itself, even though that might not be the case, their policies and procedures are going to have them take that information and extend to other arms of the DOD to ensure that that information that may be more better served asking department a or department B, hey, is this

classified material, they will do that. And in order for department a or department B to look at it, they will DOPS or sends it over. And they don't need to read anybody in all they have to say is no, we are not clearing this, that goes back to dots or dots or sees that it goes okay. It's not cleared. And grush doesn't get his cleared for open publication stamp. Now, I'm not showing the protocols here. But again, they have these set procedures outlined because they have a specific mission and

has had that specific mission for quite some time. So the whole well, they're just not cleared enough. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Because how many times have they seen and I don't have an answer to this. But how many times have they seen information that they may not have been, quote unquote, read in on but ultimately got denied? Okay, so that information would be invaluable at this point. And we probably will never know the answer because it's not cleared for

open publication. So we probably won't hear about that. But my entire point is, is you can't argue the doctor isn't cleared enough. So they just go ahead and stamp it for approval anyway, because we'd probably since dotser has come around and these review processes have been developed, we likely should have seen maybe an accident or an oopsie by now. And I am not aware of a single one. So I think based on that track record, and please, if anybody knows one, meaning one of those

oopsies let me know. But given that reality that we haven't seen that yet, my guess is the policies and procedures are fairly strong, and they couldn't really verify anything was classified. Okay, so that argument just doesn't stand with me. The other argument that is often touted about grush is that he can speak about this stuff, even though it's highly secretive, and highly classified. Because he's giving

broad stroke details. He's not giving you a program name, or a blueprint to the alien saucer, or the biological makeup of an alien dead pilot as he described them, or whatever. So he's, he's absent those classified details, but he can broad stroke talk about it with no problem because that's not classified. That to me is also a horrible argument. And to me that is easily also dismissed. Now, that's where I now bring up the security

classification guide. When you talk about highly classified programs, And you talk about these highly classified programs. Without specific detail, they're still classified. I have long used the stealth fighter example just to kind of make it easy. Back in the day when the stealth fighter was never known to the general public and the f1, seven team was in development and even flying for however many years that it was, you could not give broad stroke details about an

aircraft flying in the sky. That was essentially describing the f1 17. And that's okay, you couldn't do that. Right. I mean, there was leaks all the time to Aviation Week magazine was notorious for getting these leaks about what was in development. However, you still couldn't talk about that, even again, in broad strokes. And it's because the details about a classified program or classified piece of technology, the facts surrounding whatever we are talking about, are classified in

themselves. Meaning it's inherently classified, meaning you can't go around describing stealth technology before it was acknowledged. And just because you didn't give the program name it was involved in or the blueprint and chemical composition of how it was made. That doesn't mean you can still talk about it. And to prove that it's very easy, we can use the

security classification guide for UAP. Now, if you don't know what this is, the security classification guide is something that I had received back in, let me pull up the PDF here. So we have it back in December of 2021. And this was a big get for me, because this was the first time I'd ever been released to the public. But it also proved what we kind of knew

already. But now it was definitive that there was a guide on how to classify UAP, what was classified what wasn't and what level of classification and UAP isn't the only thing with a classification guide. There are many things with classification guides. It defines the secrecy about programs and or topics, in this case, UAP. Now, when you scroll down, this is what I had received. And I have a whole

video on this. So please, if you're if you're curious about this, make sure that you check out that video because I go into much greater detail. But you can see that it was prepared in April of 2020. It was approved by Scott Bray Yes, he's the one that was at that first UAP hearing in front of Congress, he was there with Ronald Moultrie. He approved it in April of 2020. So this thing has been around for a while. And again, just a

nutshell, it This defines the secrecy behind UAP. Now you'll see I'm not going to read it to you because again, that video goes into much more detail. But this is what I want to focus in on. These are essentially the definitions of what and what isn't classified. And you'll see here that they're not blueprints are not photographs are not anything but the facts surrounding UAP. For example, the term UAP Well, we all know it, it's not a classified term. So that is spelled out that the

classification is you or unclassified. One be the fact that Navy pilots and other Department of Navy personnel have witnessed and that certain do enter Department of Navy technical systems have detected at unspecified times and places

UAPs. That fact considered unclassified. Another one, the fact that the frequency of UAP sightings has increased in recent years without any further information regarding when where or how often sightings have been reported that fact, unclassified, I'll read one more, the fact that Navy has an ongoing effort to gain knowledge and insight into the nature and origins of UAPs, as well as their operations, capabilities, performance and or signatures. That fact, is unclassified. You

can see here that there's a couple more. The last one talks about the task force mission, the fact that the task force mission is to detect, analyze, catalogue, consolidate and exploit non traditional aerospace vehicles slash UAP. posing an operational threat to US national security and avoid

strategic surprise. That fact is unclassified. So again, you're not seeing blueprints, photographs, videos, or anything of great detail other than the facts surrounding what is and you can tell by here, a highly classified issue within the United States military. When you get past those few facts on the first page that are all unclassified, you get to all of

this. Now, we don't know what is under all of this. We have a header here, intelligence collection, exploitation, analysis, and products underneath that, all redacted. You can See, they're all national security reasons on why it's redacted. Look, it even keeps going. Now, what does this tell us? Even though we can't read what's under the black? What does this tell us? Well, let me take it back to grush. If anything that grush is claiming, like dead alien pilots, like,

captured non human craft, all of that is connected to UAP. Me he used the term. That's that's just what the whole topic is all about. So those facts, the realization that again, dead pilots, alien craft, that we have all of this stuff, wreckage, debris, all that kind of stuff. If that is true, it's under this, it's under all this black, right? I don't think we

can all agree to that. That if what grush is saying, let's let's get beyond the debate, if what are you saying it would be under here, because the entire point of this guide in the classified world is to define classification for UAP. So if grush is telling the truth, that stuff would have to be here. That's just how this works. And yet, all of it is redacted. Ergo, it would be classified translation. dotser would never

let this fly. And since it was dealing with UAP, we could probably deduce, the doctor went to a couple of different places, since Grusha, claimed he was from the UAP task force, then the Navy would likely be a place that they would extend out to and say, Hey, we've got somebody who wants to talk about XYZ, and the Navy would come back again, doesn't have to read Doppler into anything. Obviously, arms of the DoD would be places that they would extend out to and say, Hey, we've got a guy who

wants to talk about this, can you talk about this. And obviously, he got the stamp of approval. Yet, all of this all the other details other than the select few that I read to you. And there's like one or two more that I skipped, but they're pretty non exciting. We've known it for years. All unclassified,

everything else is classified. And I'm running into that problem when dealing with UAP related requests that if I'm not dealing with those few things, like pilots seeing something and those very basic facts, everything is coming back classified, yet grush was able to talk about this, this is a huge problem for me, because you can't say look at this a proven factual, irrefutable document, you can't look at this and understand the true deep classification nature behind

UAP. And then turn around and look at Grusha go ha, I bet he's totally fine to talk about all this, those things do not go hand in hand. Now I can smell the third excuse that people are gonna throw at me. When they hear that I am saying, hey, look, this classification guy defines all secrecy that everybody is left in the dark. Anybody who played a role into this, which we do know as UAP taskforce members, I do believe I know who wrote this. I don't think that that is public, yet.

I can't prove it yet. I am, too. I am 99.9% Sure I know who wrote it. But I'm not gonna I'm not trying to play secrets here. I can't prove it. So I'm not going to make the claim yet. But I believe that I am close to doing so. However, there was another UAP taskforce member who claims to have helped write this. That was Travis Taylor. So he has openly said that I don't have any documentation to back that up. I also don't have any reason

to dis, believe him. So fine. So Dr. Travis Taylor played a role in making this. But we also don't know who else outside of the task force may have been in charge of or overlooking this. So that third excuse that I could just see the writing's on the wall that people are gonna throw at me, well, all of them are just in the dark, the UAP task force was not read in as grush claimed. So Travis Taylor wouldn't know about all of that he wouldn't put that information in the security guide, and so

on. But I don't have any type of example, in the history of security classification guides, or anything like this, that I've found yet anybody who has one send it on, where there are multiple security classification guides, that security classification guide is used at this level. But then there's another security classification guide used at the top level that deals with dead alien pilots and alien craft that we have in our possession. I'm sorry, I don't I don't know of any nor do I think

that that is even that makes sense. So these types of excuses to fall back on to kind of help crutch Gratias claims along, they actually don't help in the long run at all, because it's going against a documented historical fact about how all these things work. And if people want to fall back on that and say that is the first time in history that any of that has ever happened. But I can absolutely see it happening.

Great, but you're gonna have to try and prove it somehow. And that's the biggest problem that I have with crushes claims. Again, it's not that he's making it all up, and he's some big fat liar. No, he could absolutely believe what he's telling you that he could have absolutely heard from whomever he heard it from the claims that he's stating. But look at all the evidence on what kind of throws a monkey wrench into the wheel of this being

true. And I think that there's a lot going against it, which again, is the root of my skepticism. But as we inch closer, I hope anyway, to jello brands effort to get grush in front of the Senate and in front of committees under oath. I can't wait. Because I want to hear what he has to say. And I understand he may not be able to name names in that setting.

That's not what I'm interested in. But if they give him that ability to go under oath, and to essentially speak freely, and to have that immunity, and the whistleblower language is solid, and there's claims that grush played a role in helping write that language. Okay, I mean, if that's true, again, little wonky there that grush would be in the office, you know, helping but fine. Okay, I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna chastise it.

So if that's the case, and he wrote it, then then the language here that's either coming or is already on the books should be okay. For him to feel okay to speak. So I hope he doesn't have a problem with cameras. I hope that he goes in front of everybody. And that I hope that he tells everybody the reality of what's going on. But in the end, this is what what kind of worries me about the deepening of secrecy behind this, coupled with the claim that dotser just signed off on it. No problem.

Yeah, David, you want to talk about this? Not a problem, you're cleared for open publication, whatever. That doesn't seem right to me. But I want to close this video with one extra thought that nobody's really talking about. And I hope that it becomes an outdated fact, in, that's in my video now. But I hope it quickly becomes outdated because I want this to change. What David grush had submitted to dotser is being

hidden from you. And I. Why is that? And I want to know, I think that there's something there, I think that there are going to be more questions to be asked. Now we do know about page one that has been released. Just because they showed it on screen to new at news nation. So on one of the pieces, they did kind of a what I call it a graphic spread. And so they took the documents and they you know, spread on like a fan and made a graphic out of it. The only one you could see was page one. Now

that has been released that is out there. I know Mick West actually contacted the network and got a clear graphic of it. But that was it. They would not release any other page that they got because it was not shown on screen. And it's not up to them to release it. That's the best of how I understand that played out. And that's totally understandable. I get it. So now back to David grush. Why wouldn't he released this? Obviously, the journalists saw it, I would hope anyway. But

they saw what he submitted to doctor and was cleared. I got that impression from the reporting of Lesley Kane and Ralph Blumenthal. So if they could see it, and news nation, graphic artists could see it, the general public should see it. And I think it's important to see exactly what David grush submitted to dotser. Because if it has all of what he has claimed in there, again, that doesn't completely endorse it from the DOD. But at least we now have confirmation that what

was told to us was true. However, they're hiding it from us. And that's what I don't understand. And I've asked, I've reached out I've tagged him I've you know, I've said this a quite a few times publicly already and other people are asking to Can't you show the entire thing that David grush is cleared to talk about, there's no reason not to show it. He's cleared. So what's

the issue? And I think that the bottom line will be there will be more questions generated once we see it than answers deduced from that document, and I don't get it. I I really don't. I have a couple of ideas. But I don't I don't I don't really get it and I do hope that they release it. So those are some final thoughts. Who knows when the next update video on this UFO whistleblower. Our story will be in normal congressional style. I'm sure that hearing will be like seven years from now. But I

hope not. I hope it is something that they fast track. Of course, I was being facetious there. Hopefully it will be something somewhat relatively in the near future, because I think we all deserve the right. We all have the right to know and we deserve the truth about what the story is. I think we've heard enough if there's congressional interest interest in the Senate from senators and specifically, let's hear it, I'd love to hear it. I'd love to see it. I want to see it happen, but I'm not

holding my breath. But we'll see. At the very least, let's see that doctor paperwork. If you guys agree with me, definitely. Right. Ralph Blumenthal, Leslie Kane, and Ross Coltart Be nice, be respectful. But let them know that you want to see that doctor paperwork to let's just put it all on the table. Are there more tidbits of information that was not released to us? Were there details that are being bantered about in the media right now that we're not in the Doppler

play? I mean, again, there's a lot of different questions that we can ask there. So why don't we just see it? And none of these stories are ever black and white are easy? I never understand that. But the question Stan, so again, I stress please be respectful to all of them. If you do decide to reach out but let them know, hey, let's see the doctor paperwork. Let's get David grush. To publish it, we all

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