The proof of work for the Beatles was going to Hamburg and playing 14 hours a day, and George Harrison was 17 when they started doing that. Like he was super young and they were they were kids just goofing around. But over such a short period of time, like four movies and 11 albums and how many top hits, it's just amazing. I think you have to set boundaries for yourself. Otherwise, like, you can drown in the options you have.
It's what's so amazing about the computer era is that you have all these options and, like, you can do anything with your life. We're not forced to pick one thing anymore. So therefore, no one gets super good at this one thing because they can always choose the number. With this, I can go and do this instead. Bjorn Borg the same way you were before the internet. And I think a lot of creativity is born out of boredom. I actually used to own a bar in New York City.
We had the second Bitcoin ATM, in Manhattan at the time that was on the Lower East Side. So been in Bitcoin for a little while and my biggest regret is not working in bitcoin full time and starting back then. But I'm making up for it now. Most welcome to the Bitcoin Infinity Show, or rather the Knudsen Home show. Well, I guess because Luke isn't here. Unfortunately, but welcome anyway. Finally. And it's good to be here hanging out with you on this show. And Luke has to be pissed, right?
Because we talked about doing this and Luke stopped here, so we'll have to do it again and make up for it. Absolutely, absolutely. I bet he won't want wanted to have been here. But yeah, we we saw each other, like, last week and, did a rocket motor show in San Salvador and one in Colombia, too. But let's not talk too much about that one. They turned out the lights on you, Keanu. They tried. They tried to cut power, which was perfect.
Now we'll be forever remembered as rebels in, soundtrack adore. Because, of course, the show must go on. We refused to stop when they told us to. And, I absolutely love that. It was very much in the spirit of rock n roll. The whole the whole evening. Yeah, the show must go on. And in order for it to go on, Canute and I are walking to El Salvador music stores, trying to, you know, Google Translate our way into negotiating a Mexican Telecaster. So, yeah, something to play.
It was absolutely beautiful. So thank you very much for that Telecaster you'll get to, to tell the story about what happened to that Telecaster real soon. But first, let's start things off. Since you haven't been on the show before, as far as I can remember. Let's, tell our audience a bit about Mr. Mossman. And who is he? Is who? When he found Bitcoin on what he does and how the Rock Komodo thing started and, you know, everything else you want to tell us? Well, me, my friends call me mas.
My name is Mike Jarmusch's, and, my company is Lightning Ventures. Lightning ventures is our website. We're about to get a brand new one, and we invest in Bitcoin startups, Bitcoin companies, early stage, later stage, we've probably invested in about 45 or more, Bitcoin only companies in the space that, we all know and love. So, we operate a little bit differently where we have a syndicate where anyone can invest. Right.
So if you wanted to get started with investing in early stage Bitcoin startups for like $1,000, we're a great resource and group as well as jobs and talent and all sorts of other fun things. And recently a product of Lightning Ventures was Thunder Thunder that we just launched. Thunder, thunder.com is a regulation, crowdfunding portal where it's still equity.
This is not like donations and Patreon, but it really widens it to where anyone literally almost anyone, can actually invest in some of these. So our first two deals on there, one is for jolts, they just had some big news in El Salvador and of course the orange pill app, which I think Kanoute, helps out with on that. But yeah, so that's what I'm up to is Lightning Ventures and, Thunder Thunder when I found Bitcoin, well, I should be worth like $10 billion because I was pretty early in bitcoin.
But like all of us, we didn't just, go head in, but it was somewhere around that Max Keizer $3 area, that 2013 ish area where it really started paying, a little bit of attention, and getting going with it. I actually used to own a bar in New York City. We had the second Bitcoin ATM, in Manhattan at the time. That was on the Lower East Side. So, been in Bitcoin for a little while, and my biggest regret is not working in Bitcoin full time and starting back then. But I'm making up for it now.
You certainly are. And unlike this, Lightning Ventures and Thunder. Thunder is super interesting. And you're right, I am, an advisor for the orange pillar. Like disclaimer here is so. So how does that work? How does the thunder thunder thing work? You said anyway, anyone can invest. You can just shoot assets and become, equity holder. Is that how it works? Yeah, well, it's not like a no KYC kind of peer to peer deal, like, this is a regulated space.
We have, a license and Finra and all that good stuff. But, investors, pretty much most anywhere in the world, can sign up for Thunder. Thunder with very little friction. And if they had an opportunity to invest in the orange pill app, they could invest maybe $100 minimum, and that would be equity. That would be the same kind of terms as the suits and all the the big investors that were coming into these rounds were kind of a pleb investment platform or a way for the plebs to get started.
Also, if you're a Bitcoin startup or company looking to raise money, you should reach out, fill out the form on the website. Not only that, but maybe even something like podcasters or media things. Maybe, maybe canoed, with, you know, everything divided and the Infinity Show wanted to do, do a raise or something. We're looking for creative, things like that to. Yeah, that definitely sounds like something worth looking into a little deeper.
And, I'm sorry I haven't done that yet, but, as you know, I've been I've been busy, and so have you. The. And we've been busy together with these rock Komodo shows. So what's, like the, the story there. So we tell, tell the people about how that whole thing started, what it is and like. Yeah. Can can you give us your version of what, Satoshi Nakamoto is and how he came to be? Okay, but you know what? You got to interrupt me or stop me if you want to,
add some details. Okay? I, I am the great interrupter, and, yeah, Lou can tell you all about that. My interruptions. So don't worry about that. Well, for anyone who knows ugly old goat, you know, that's the. He's a real interesting guy. And he is an amazing human being, for sure. But ugly old goat was doing a conference in Mexico, and, I had never met Kanoute. But Kanoute was invited and came down there, and I was there with honor.
And when we got to the conference, it was beautiful, the venue was beautiful and, you know, went all out. He had like busts and statues on the stage of like, Saifuddin and all these things. And, you know, really went out. And it turns out that basically everyone in the audience at the conference was a speaker. So you had this big, beautiful room and it looked good. The lights were great, everything was great. And there was probably 38 people here, and 33 of those people were on stage.
So, it was it was a fun, interesting event. And that's where I met Kanoute. Because I used to always carry around a chess set. I haven't brought it to the last few Bitcoin conferences, but I would love to bring, and do these Bitcoin blitz sort of chess tournaments for SATs and all that kind of fun stuff. And I had a chess set in Mexico. And Canutt can really play. He could really play. So our first bond was really over some blitz chess, late at night and, on our first few days there.
Yeah, I think your first words to me was, may I interest you in an adult beverage? And then we had a couple of drinks and played some chess. You know, and, to add to this, this was this was, like, late stage lockdown bullshit. I refuse to call it late stage Covid because I prefer to call it late stage lockdown bullshit. And, so I think that's, that played a huge part in why, why there weren't many attendees at the, at the event.
I would say there were, a few more guests than maybe five, but but, maybe an equal amount. Yeah. Yeah. To to to, to not bash ugly too much here. I mean, it wasn't his fault to begin with, but there were about an equal amount of guests, and, and speakers, I think something like maybe a bit fewer guests, but, but we had a great time, and he was such a sweet guy, and he, treated us to all sorts of, luxurious things and various, things.
And we we ended up, driving little buggies, in, beach buggy bikes, slash cars. More cars than bikes, at a place called Horse Power Ranch. So, I'll let you take it from here. Well, no, I just wanted to add that. Okay, so the horse power ranch, these were not just, like, little buggy things, okay? These were not. This was not the kids thing.
You know, when you go to, like, a tourist place and you want to ride horses, but you can tell this isn't like the real horse riding place, or you want to drive a fast car and they, you know, it's like kind of like a joke for tourists. This was not that these vehicles were freakin Siri s, man, okay? And there were no guardrails, okay? You were literally you were no guardrails. This was completely off road. It was insane. And it was actually very dangerous
thinking about it. Okay. And the lady from the hotel, as I'm getting ready to take off, there's dust everywhere. You have to wear a mask. It was the only time that you wanted to wear a mask during the mask era of Covid, because there was so much to us. The lady from the hotel comes up to me as I'm about to leave in this car. I'm actually with one gal and she looks at me and she says, you know, we don't have insurance, right? That's literally what she said.
She's like an old Mexican lady, like, I don't she wasn't making a joke like she was being completely serious. And I don't know why she just said that to me, but that was really dangerous. But that was also really fun. Yeah, I shared rooms with a guy called Victor, I think, and he is a, a Mexican guy. And and at this horse power ranch, we found a black widow. So. But he was trying to cook, and I'm like, Holy shit, that thing didn't kill you. And he's trying to call me down.
And they said, like, don't worry, man, don't worry. Everything in Mexico want to kill you. Just you just have to relax. And I can't say I was more relaxed after that. So we're at this horse power ranch, and they set up, kind of a little, show. Right?
That was part of the thing where with, dinner and there was outdoor, very small little patio area with, high quality gear and, a cover band, and, my history of managing bands and, you know, doing my thing with music, I couldn't help because the pieces were coming together. Gabe, from Tampa. Gabe is an amazing drummer. He can easily. He's the guy, the cover band guy that's been playing for 40 years straight. He can literally play any song.
But he can also play guitar and bass, and he's just he's that guy, right? And I've always known that about Gabe. So Gabe keyboards, right? He played keyboards, right? Yeah. Gabe can play a little bit of everything. He is. He is an all star. And then through the conversation of getting to know, Lex, you know, Bitcoin mechanic, I had no idea that he used to actually play with Donna Summer. He was a studio musician and that he is an absolute all star on bass and keys. He's he's just a ripper.
He is so good. Yeah. So, you know, finding that out and then, you know, I've known Giacomo and and Mia for years, and I didn't know that she was a professional vocal coach. I didn't know that, like, that was a part of her thing. So it's like, slowly coming together here, and I kind of arrange it. So I say to the cover band, because who wants to hear a cover band? Right? It's a Mexican cover, man. We didn't know they were going to be excellent. They okay.
We didn't know what was about to happen, but it was kind of like, hey, listen, you know, it's just us here for this party. You know, I've got some some Bitcoiners here. We want to have a little bit of fun. Do you think we can just use your gear and kind of play and have some fun? And they said, absolutely not. They were offended because they really wanted to play, for you guys.
And then they started playing, and they were incredible, just calling out a song and they played it, and that was great. And then they took a break. They took a break and they said, hey, if you guys want to, have a little bit of fun for a little while, go for it. And that's when the first, the first band assembled. That's when I found out I didn't even know Knute could play at this time. Can you just picked up the guitar and all of a sudden I was just screaming, he's a shredder.
I wouldn't know about that. But, we were all surprised that and that it sounded not not shit when we picked up the instruments. And this is how the Satoshi Nakamoto thing was born, I guess. You know, it's kind of cool. Like, the Bitcoiners are such a unique and individual and awesome people is that you don't really have to tell them what to do. Like, that's what I love. With the chess set, I would bring 4 or 5 chess sets to a Bitcoin conference.
Just put them out and the rest happens, you know what I mean? And that's kind of was the original idea with the rock motors. Although it's changed recently. We're going to have to have a rock mono board meeting soon. But you know, if you just have the gear there and then kind of see what happens, right? Because you've got amazing people that all can, can do a lot of different things. And then we found out some other people that could play that night. Was it Robert, was it Robert?
The name of, one of the guitar players, I think, I can't remember if, who else, but we had Satoshi. You sound I don't remember. His name is Robert. Yeah. It's Robert. Yeah, he played the drums and he's he's like that awesome drummer, and he's like, So good. And he, he showed up for for Prague last year, right? And he played on a handful of songs there, including, Seven Nation Army. And there's a video from that and I can tell like this, the oh, my God, the drums are so good here.
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So check out pip box, Stamp Seed and the Bitcoin Advisor or Chief White. Back to the show. And so, so, so when was the next rock I like? It wasn't called the rock. I'm older then, but. But you were certainly in charge and telling everyone that you need to go up on stage now. So, so so when was the when was the first real one? Was that, it was actually Miami. And yes, I'm well aware that I am a pain in the ass. That is for sure. In a good way. In a good way. Working on it. So, so, yeah.
So we did one in, Miami at, one, I can't remember what year. Conference. I had the flier, though. It was actually pretty cool. And it was a small little room. It was a Lightning Ventures party. It was free. It was packed, and, we had it. We had a pretty good time there, but Kanoute was not there. Wait. I was like, yeah, yeah, I just went with it.
Yeah, I came directly from the airport, so I took an Uber straight to the venue because it had the show had already started, and I remember meeting you on the street the like, don't you need to come up on stage and play bass immediately like we have no bass player. So, so I hop on the stage and like, but what about my luggage? And I leave it on the on the sidewalk and the and you're like, I'll take care of your luggage. Don't worry about it.
You'll have to get on stage and I hope and and I play bass for, 45 minutes and I come back out again and there's my luggage still on the street. But. But it was still there, so. No, no worries. Yeah. And yeah, that was a cool venue. It's, it was narrow and tiny, but but it absolutely. Yeah, there was a special event to. I have so many fond memories of these, these occasions. Yeah. There you go. So. So, yeah, that was a that was a little one that's actually Seven Nation Army, I think.
Yeah. Is that the same? Oh yeah. That was that. So that was I think that was the first one. Oh. Was, was that was that night there. But I, I forgot and you know what I couldn't find, the flier I went and I tried to bookmark the other day a lot of those, rock motos, anything I could find on Twitter for, you know, the Bitcoin national Museum. One day, is going to want a section of the, of the place for this. But, yeah, that was a fun one. And it was super small.
And, you know, we had some surprises, I don't know, do you remember that guy from ibex who came up and sang La Bamba and everyone? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was great. I wouldn't know about everyone playing it perfectly, but I don't think we ever played anything perfectly on a rock. I'm older, but that's part of the charm. This is the thing. And that's what, like, It's it's so it's like creating something out of the chaos, like, it's a very spontaneous thing.
There are a couple of key things that need to happen. A couple of key players there and there. But we we often we we, we try to make it work, and sometimes it does, sometimes not so much. But but it's right. It's a trial and error thing, isn't it? Yeah. Just like any band, you know, you start out, you start out somewhere and then all of a sudden there starts to be some issues. You know, there starts to be some issues. So, no, it's been a lot of fun and we've done so many.
I mean, just off the top of my head, I mean, Miami to Prague one. Riga. One San Salvador. Before. Before this one. Right. So Tucson, Salvador's two San Salvador's, we've been doing them in Amsterdam. No, we we tried to, but we couldn't get a venue in Amsterdam. Right. Yeah. But that's been, they've been a few with us in Colombia a lot. Yeah, if you count that one. Yeah. That was, that was not the best, but, that's all right.
But yeah, I got I can't even think of them, but, but, yeah, it's been fun, and it's definitely a fun little side event. And, hopefully we can continue. Continue doing. Yeah. Well, I love those fliers. By the way, the posters you make, like, you take, like, a picture from an old horror movie or something, and you, I mean, they look perfect. They they look so, you know, I was a concert promoter. We did. We did 35 concerts a month, okay, in Phoenix, Tucson and Albuquerque.
And we cranked out fliers. We cranked out some of the best fliers. And, you know, that's kind of like the old hacky trick, you know, late 90s, early 2000, you know, when we were when you're doing that, you know, you can find a B movie poster or something cool and you can get rid of the text. And then, of course, you know, it's all about fonts and you can you can make some really fun stuff.
I mean, I don't have the archive like in front of me from all of our concerts, but, you know, from, from all the punk rock bands. And I'm not talking about those like British, like crass in those type of punk rock bands, you know, Dead Kennedys not not that style, but like the really cool, you know, we had some really awesome fliers, you know, I used to love that. And you ever, you know, you could do a small screen printing run, you know, where you get a number.
You know, I'm sure that you've got some, like, Melvins and Sonic Youth screen printed posters or something that you bought over the years. Yeah, yeah, I, I tend to throw away old, old stuff like that. And then sometimes I regret that, but I had like I saw Pantera in 96 and I had a Dimebag pick, you know, that said Far Beyond Drunk, but I lost it, unfortunately. So like, oh, I tend to lose stuff. You see, you're the opposite of me. I'm a packrat. I can't throw anything away.
I still have a, concert stub from seeing Weezer. In 1996 on the Pinkerton tour at the Electric Ballroom in Tempe, Arizona. How can I throw that away? Cannot, I don't know, like. And, yeah, I'm too, I guess I my, like, my minimalist, lifestyle took over for a while, and I threw, like, I remember throwing all my CDs away, for instance, I just thought, like, these are going to deteriorate. Most of them are just skipping a track here and there, and they don't work, and they have a limited
lifespan. Right. So. Well, well, fuck it. I'm just throwing in them all away and then no more hassle with them. So I threw away, like, 200 CDs. Just dumped them all. Good riddance. I don't need this anymore. Yeah, I mean, with the media and stuff like that with paying $10 a month, you know, and having literally everything that you would want, you know, you'll own nothing and be happy now. And really then it comes down to the vinyl records or the things that you really collect,
you know. Yeah. Which is much smaller. So I'm trying to be like, you can noone, I'm trying to throw away things that, you know what I mean? So I went through this big cleanse like two weeks ago with Anna, and I'm like, you know what? Why do we have all these clothes, stuff that we never wear? So I'm like, let's just throw it away. And I. And I'm like a Taurus. So I go crazy. I'm like, let's throw it away. I'm like, throw everything away, throw everything away. And I'm like, you know what?
I only need seven pairs of underwear, for crying out loud. Like, do what? Does anyone need more than seven pairs of boxer shorts. So I just threw everything out. And guess what? I don't know what the hell happened, but I haven't had. I haven't worn underwear in like the past three days because I don't have any on. It's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I don't know where the hell did all the underwear go? That's a true story. Seven boxers, the army. Yes. All right. So, so.
Well, I mean, we have. Oh, you talked about we saw 96. I talk about Pantera 9 to 6. I mean, we're of a similar age. We're old fucks, even though we don't admit we are. So. So I think we have a lot of similar, like, musical influences and stories about music and, and, what kind of bands we like. So. But you want to get into that a bit, like what's your favorite, your top five bands in the world or something like that? Okay. Well, a couple of things. And in. Yeah, that's great. Right.
The question is like, if you're on a desert island and you can only have three artists, but you get their entire catalog right forever, that's that makes a difference, you know, and you have a limited catalog. Okay. So, you know, that's great. But, you know, you growing up, you you probably didn't have the opportunity to see as many touring bands. I mean, I grew up in Phoenix, Arizona, so, you know, it wasn't the it was still maybe a top ten largest city in the US.
We had concerts, but like, did you have many opportunities? Like, where did you go when you wanted to see. No. Like, middle of nowhere Sweden. There was like no, no big international acts to see if you didn't go to Gotham Berg, which was like a two hour drive away, or that and there were some big concerts there. Every once in a while. I mean, I saw Pink Floyd there when I was around 20, so I think that's the first big one I went to there.
And then of course, there were these, summer festivals, in Sweden and Denmark that you could go to. So the Roskilde is the, the obviously the big one. In Denmark, the, the other one when I grew up was called Huddersfield. And it's a small town as a kind of a legendary rock festival in the middle of small. And I think it's been, as a long time ago now. Now, now they have the Sweden rock festival
instead or something. But, that there was a couple of years when I enjoyed festivals and then I guess I got too old for them living in a tent and, you know, walking in piss all day. It's might not be like, you get too comfortable after what it's like. Guess. But but I had a lot of fun back then, and my, late teens and early 20s, seeing a lot of bands. Yeah, well, I'm definite. I'm definitely curious about that pink Floyd show.
I mean, that was a bucket list that I, I was never able to, to do that one there. And, you know, Europe always does the festivals, right? Like, I didn't know how Europe did it, but that's like, that was the word, you know, that was what we had always heard. And I did a European tour, with a band. And there were a few festivals, rock and merengue, rock and park, these sort of like things, though. So we went to them for the first time.
And the Europe festival game, compared to what us was doing, was like, no comparison. No. But on the other hand, like being a touring band in the US must have been better. Unlike in Europe with the we didn't have like especially not in Scandinavia. There was no like pop band culture, like, like that's, when I grew up that's like very dead. That was a very dead scene. Like, I guess there was a bigger music scene in the 60s in Sweden, and also maybe a bit of revival after, after I grew up.
But when I grew up, there's like nothing there. It was a very, very did. So over the past 50 years, what has come out of Sweden? Well, a lot, and, and there was that like, this is to say, they weren't, there wasn't a living, like, pop music scene or music clubs or anything that. But what there was, was, like, underground bands and people rehearsing to become something that was all over the place.
There were, trillium bands in Sweden and, a very common, when I grew up, everyone was in a fucking band, and we, we had our own, rehearsal rooms, and there was a, you know, the basement of an entire school, was full of rehearsal rooms for different, different bands and, a lot of activities like that. Some of it like, state sponsored or months of reality sponsored. There was a lot of money going into culture projects.
So a lot of tax money went into like helping these upcoming bands, to, to do, to rehearse. Most, most of us never got anywhere, of course. But but there, there has been, a lot of like Sweden is a big music exporter in, comparison to many other countries, of course, ABBA. But, like in the 90s, Max Martin, produced the Britney Spears and Backstreet Boys and all sorts of, you know, boy bands and girl bands and had a lot of, top ten hits everywhere. And, The Cardigans was a big thing for us.
Yeah, right about that. So there have been many, nowadays, like the bands like ghost are pretty big, like. And I have that there are a lot of like, genre band. So like, the closest big city to where I grew up was Gotham burg and Gotham burg in the late 90s, early 2000 had its own sound. There was like the Gotham burg sound, and there were, metal bands, In Flames and Soil Work and, Dark Tranquility and whatever they called, that that was a whole subgenre in itself.
I never really liked it that much, but it was definitely a thing. What I like was a, a band that started. That's still my favorite band to this day, by the way, a band from the, Norway up north in Sweden called Meshuggah. It's really complicated, like mass metal band that has been at it since the 90s, and they're just killer, complicated stuff. But but I absolutely love it. And there was a bunch of punk bands. Refused, for instance, made a killer record.
Youth was so hot, the shape of punk took a come. The hell yeah. I can't believe that we're talking about refuse right now. That that was there was a time when that just came out. Yeah, I would that was a huge deal. The the hives, they're still big in the US, right? They have yeah. I had quite a quite an American, quite an international career, especially in the US. No, there's a ton of bands. I'm only mentioning a few here, but there's there's so much.
It's so, you know, when I think of Sweden and when I think of that, I always think of the metal, right? I can't help but think of, like, the Swedish metal. Now, all of those bands that you named Dark Tranquility in Flames, we booked all those bands. I think every single one of those bands, when they would come to Phoenix, Arizona, you know, they would play the 300 cap room. Okay, The haunted was another one. Yeah. The haunted. So, you know, I didn't like that music, but we booked everything,
right? We worked. We booked the stuff you like, and then you booked the stuff you don't like, right? And they would still do, you know, 150 people. But when I think of Sweden, I always think of that kind of metal. So I just imagine that they must have like that, that metal culture, you know. Yeah. You don't have that here. You know, you don't go to any you know, it's no scandal in Scandinavia in general. It's like very metal dense.
Like I think Finland has the highest metal band per capita in the world. There's like every there's a metal band in every basement, basically. And don't forget like, Sweden had a like it wasn't only like, harder metal, like, in the 80s. I grew up with the success of Europe and Joey Tempest's like the, you know, you know, the final countdown was a big international hits. That's a Swedish band, too.
And, in the in their footsteps were bands like the Helicopters, for instance, which had a singer that used to play the drums and a fantastic death metal rock band called entombed, if you know about them. But yeah, that's that's a lot there. So, I mean, I, I'm just really curious and we'll have to talk about this another time, but like, did you ever used to listen to, like, at the drive in or some of those, like us, sort of smaller punk rock bands on like indie labels, like, were you into like
the Fat Records? Kind of like stuff I, I, I, I've heard at the Drive-In, but I would say like, you have to rewind the clock a bit like, more like Melvins, or like, the more frontier acts from the grunge scene. More more like that kind of, stuff, in terms of smaller American bands. So that I like I like the lot like, I like the grunge bands a lot. I especially a Soundgarden and, Nirvana and Alice in Chains.
Like, I just loved all all three of those bands and, and and I like the, the thrash metal bands too, like, I loved Metallica and Slayer and, Pantera and all of that stuff, really into that. And I still listen to it to this day, and I'm still finding new stuff that I haven't heard before, like, especially in the metal genres, I guess, like, I, I listen to Megadeth a lot these days and, and Exodus and stuff like that. I just love it. It's, still close to my heart.
Okay, so, man, there's so many things we talk about here. I mean, okay, but like, you know, at least for me, and I know, I know a lot of people like your music sort of core. Where you start really comes from, like, your father, you a lot in a lot of ways. Like, what did you listen to in the house? What did your parents listen to? You know, my dad was like the classic rock guy. You know, we were talking about the Beatles earlier and how the hell they recorded that shit with eight tracks.
But, you know, like, so you're you're parents, like, what did they listen to when you were a kid, or did they not listen to music and you just kind of discovered it on your own? Oh, I, I grew up with music. Definitely. And my father played the guitar. And, we have a long history of music in my family. My my great great grandfather. No, my great grandfather's brother was a famous opera singer, a tenor. What? He sang Wagner. So, so Wagner operas. And, so so so, my parents, or especially my father.
I guess my mother wasn't that interested in music, but my father had a, a huge music interest, and he listened to a lot of classic music, classical music, and operas and stuff. But also, the Beatles and and other stuff from, from that era. So I definitely grew up with, with a lot of different music, maybe not alike. I guess my father's interest in popular music, sort of ended when the 60s ended and he wasn't really following, like, he was never into Zeppelin or Sabotage or anything like that.
So I had to discover that on my own. But that was like the town. The small town I grew up in was a huge music town. Like, music was the thing, like, everyone was into, or everyone I hung out with in my teens, like, really identified with whatever music they listened to. And there was the, even earlier than that, there was this feud between the synth, fans and the, heavy metal fans, like, there was a feud going on those. So, so yeah, that's that's my musical background.
And, I'm like, well, whatever I found in my late teens, it's it's still close to my heart. How about you? What what bands did you grow up with? What did you listen to other than what your father already listened to? I mean, you know what? What came out? I mean, Weezer was big, right? When the Blue Album came out, that was a big deal. Or like Green Day Dookie.
You know, when Green Day Dookie came out, that was kind of like a way to really discover another world, because I, I really didn't, you know, pop punk. I don't know where the the Ramones, pop punk, you know, the misfits, pop punk. I don't know. But you know, that that kind of started that Green Day. I think that that really did it for a lot of people around that time, because then all of a sudden you discover, look out records, you discover, like, what's operation Ivy?
And then all of a sudden you start going in deeper, I think in, in the circles I was in, it was kind of embarrassing to like, Green Day or or, What was the other band you said there? But like blink one, 82 or anything or even Weezer, it was kind of like, you weren't one of the cool kids.
If you're listen to this kind of, radio schlock thing, you were supposed to be more metal, more like, with a mopey, grown, grunge people that that wanted to kill themselves and stuff that was way cooler when you were more a more deep and interesting person, if you did, I guess. But, but like so in hindsight, I, I always loved that stuff. And Duke is a great album. Right. And and, the Blue Album, the Weezer, you know, if you want to destroy my sweater, like, grab a string as I walk away.
It's it's a fucking brilliant song. I just love Weezer. Always have, but like that transition that gets you away from kind of like, what your father's listening, and you're at that, like, point in your life, you know, those formidable. Like what? You know, something like that that comes out, that gives you the taste because then, you know, you discover everything else. That might not be the commercial success, right?
Somebody who was a little later when maybe they, you know, discovered, no doubt, you know, actually found real ska, you know, and like, you know, but like I was 15 and I had an opportunity to work the concessions booth at Lollapalooza in 96. Maybe I was 14. So I had never really went in. I had no idea what was going on. So I did it, and I was working. And, you know, I took a break and I went out and like, rancid came on and that I had never heard of ranch. I had no idea what it was.
And it just, like, kicked a hole in my soul. I was like, what is this? This is the greatest thing I've ever seen. Yeah. If, speaking of Lollapalooza 96, I have to ask, did you see Primus? I think they were in the prime back then. See, I knew that you were. I know that you have to be somebody who loves Primus, but, man, I just can't get into it. You know? I absolutely adore Primus. And they were in the top Billboard top ten with an Al album called Pork Soda. Like, it's.
No, they're fucking amazing. And I just love the guy is such a such an odd character and such an amazing musician. I just adore Primus. Yeah. And everything they've done. See where it where a lot of, like, the metal heads, because I, I'm not, like, a death metal person, you know, but there's always like, that middle ground where you can come together. So somebody who loves metal, they're a metalhead.
Like, we can both come together on Zeppelin, you know, we can both come together on maybe God, you know, come together like. Hello there. I'm Kurt Swann home, and I'm an International village idiot and author. These are my books on Bitcoin. Bitcoin sovereignty through mathematics. Bitcoin independence reimagined. Bitcoin. Everything divided by 21 million. I'm Bitcoin the inverse of clown world. These are now re-edited, redesigned and available from the Bitcoin Infinity store.
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And one of them is appetite for destruction is a which I still to this day think is one of the most brilliant albums ever made. Like it's very hard to top. Slash was fucking 18 when he played those guitar licks like it's it absolutely blows my mind that they managed to just, you know, stay sober enough to to record that thing for, for, for the duration of the session. It's just it's just a brilliant. If they were sober, I don't care. It's a it's, it's probably not.
It's a brilliant, debut album and never mind, of course, came out like just a couple of years later, which was also like it changed the game completely, like, all of a sudden no one was listening to hip hop anymore because like a couple of years before that N.W.A happened, then everyone's like, what is this cool new music genre? And then never mind happened and no one was listening to that anymore. And what's another album? Yeah. For me, Soundgarden Super Unknown was like next level shit.
I had never heard anything like it was so well-produced and so such, such simple yet, intelligent songs, often in odd time signatures and stuff and, still very sing along and like, that was, to me, that's a perfect album to like, Then of course, when I discovered Pink Floyd and the, you know, Dark Side of the moon and the wall and all of this stuff, that was also, I remember first time I saw the The Wall, the the movie, The Wall, I think it was 16 and, I was in France at a friend's house
or a friend, what became a friend there was my my parents were friends with his parents, and they wanted me to see friends. For what? So? So. And that's where I saw the wall. And it's like, mind blowing to me that, the music and, the way that story was told is completely different from everything else I'd seen before. It, super depressing, but super good, like, so, yeah, it is depressing. It's not an uplifting, fun movie. But it's so good, though.
You know, when you if I think about, like, if you pick people that have had the most insane, amazing life where you could if you could just experience what they've gone through. Axl Rose has to be nuts because, you know, your priest, sort of. All of the world that we're living in
right now. Okay. And just to be at that level of like, height and fame in an analog sort of world right before the cellphones and people actually had attention spans and just the groupies and the sheer size of, like, the magnitude of what they lived like that that had been like, if you could pop the cassette tape in and be like, let me try that for a year. That had to have been just nuts.
Yeah. I think both of our lives are are, like in comparison to your average Joe, our lives are super interesting. And like, life after Bitcoin has given me so much that I never expected from life. And it's yours, but it's still pales in comparison to someone like Axl Rose. Of course. But but yeah, you know, you shouldn't complain. I guess. Yeah. I mean, the level of fame. So one time, you know, they had this thing on tour, they call it a rock doc, okay?
And a rock doc is basically a doctor or a nurse practitioner. That's specializes in bands or singers, or they'll come to the venue. So, you know, we had a singer who wasn't feeling well. And basically there's a shot of like, this magic B12 fix everything in the world that's wrong with you.
And I ordered this rock doc, that came to the show and, you know, gave the singer a shot and, you know, and I just started talking to her, and she had all these stories, and she was telling stories about Axl Rose and how he would want to get a shot in his throat. And the shot, like a shot of heroin in the back of his throat that would, like, loosen up his, like, vocal chords and, like, do all this crazy stuff. She had insane stories.
I don't I don't know if it's true or not, but she was telling a few of them. He's the one they call like the feel good. Yes. Yeah. There you go. No, I read his biography and it's insane. Like, I don't know how much of it is true and how much he misremembers, but it's absolutely insane. I read also, too, I think, and, Lemmy's autobiographies and they're all insane, like, but especially slash like, that's just the fact that he's still alive is just amazing.
Really slash versus slash versus Keith Richards. I'm really curious. Yeah. Keith Richards is an interesting one, too. I mean, just off his dad's ashes. Yeah. And but slash has a defibrillator, in his chest, like, that's, that is that, I mean, permanently, it's it's a stationary defibrillator. And whenever he's like, when he, it jolts him back to back to life every once in a while.
So the book starts with, like, is having a concert with Velvet Revolver, and he's about to do the solo, and it feels like kind of this thing is about to fall over. And then all of a sudden the the defibrillator starts him up again. So yeah, like, like guns N Roses or Nirvana, you know, it.
Just when you look back, there's always that period where there's that kind of new sound, you know, that new that new sound, because it was like you were coming out of this like kind of hair metal, kind of like 80s metal. And then you kind of had like, a guns N roses, you know what I mean? Or like. Yeah. You know, the Nirvana, like some type of, like, news or like a Rage Against the Machine, you know, like a new sound at that time, you know? And I mean, where are we at now?
Do people still make music out? Is any of it good? Are people still playing music? Yeah. I, I think like it's there are probably bands that are as good or even better than them. What we grow up with, all around the world, it's just that it doesn't get as much attention because it's not as culturally relevant as it was before pre-Internet era, because now the magic is sort of gone with with celebrity and in general, like there aren't any perks to being famous anymore.
Like, in the same way it's, it there used to be like. And you didn't. We don't put people on pedestals as, like the movie heroes and the the rock and pop heroes of the of the 80s. I think the 80s was sort of the peak or early 90s where, where you had phenomena like Michael Jackson and Madonna and Axl Rose and people like that who, like, were beyond famous. They're like, next level.
I don't think we'll ever see people of that magnitude, of fame again, like the Kardashians can try and Lady Gaga can try, but she's no Madonna and she's no Michael Jackson. Like, the that's there's just a different level there. And that's excellent talent, you know what I mean? But it's also talent. Yeah. Like a Kardashians or a level of fame. No, not right now. It's a it's more the talent is not the music.
The talent is, managing your social media accounts like it's a different type of talent, but it's it's not as as pure. It is as it used to be. And there's an argument for, like, going back even further than that and saying that before the music video that like, real musicianship was, was, rewarded and not just how you looked like hair metal was a product of the music video being the selling thing and not the actual music, I guess. So, what are your thoughts?
I mean, the last time that something you heard something and it was and it was truly good. And maybe there are fantasy stick bands out there, you know, and every once in a while, even in the past. Well, okay, so you look at how much amazing music happened in the 40 years of, you know, 1962, you know, 1969. Yeah, or whatever.
And then you look at what's happened from then to now and, you know, it's not that we're living under a rock, you know, you if there was a modern day, Michael Jackson or a modern day, you know, U2 even or whatever, it just doesn't seem like it and like, you know, like I loved the last Daft Punk album, like, if you know what I mean. I think it came out in 2013. Random access memories,
you know? Yeah. So this is like still like really solid good music, you know, and it like, finds its way in, you know, or like, I just can't think of, like the last, like, amazing. I mean, you're talking like Dark Side of the moon. Like, there isn't a bad song on. And any of you know, this is a bad microsecond on it. Yeah, exactly. Even when there's nothing. Yeah, but, like, you know what is it a cycle? Is it because everything is so technology driven? You know what I mean?
Like when you're forced to or like a White Stripes, you know, I mean, when a white Stripes came on the scene, you know, it's like a two piece, you know. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. And that was never about perfection. It was about like, purity. And, that's why people loved it. I guess. And that, like, he deliberately. Jack white deliberately limited himself to like, okay, I'm going to play the guitar. I'm the keyboards at the same time, like, I have to. And it's going to be hard.
I'm not going to have even five picks at the mic. Then I'm going to have one. And if I lose it, I'm fucked. Like so. Like he he was all about limiting himself and I'm not going to have a fancy drummer. I'm going to have this make character who can barely play drums, but it's fucking perfect for the for the thing. So that's it's an artistic choice. I guess, to limit yourselves and, and I can identify with that.
Like if you're doing anything creatively, I think you have to set boundaries for yourself. Otherwise, like you can drown in the options you have. And that's what's so it's what's so amazing about the computer era, it's that you have all these options and like, you can do anything with your life, but it's also what what makes us we're not forced to pick one thing anymore. So. So therefore, no one gets super good at this one thing because they can always choose to. Now I'm bored with this.
I can go do this instead. Like we're not, What? When you didn't have a computer, you're forced to to, And you had A.D.D.. You were forced to practice your guitar playing every day, like, for ten hours. You weren't in the same way. You're bored. The same way you were before. Before the internet. And I think a lot of creativity is born out of boredom. Like, Yeah. The difference in between having the ability to do everything and being forced to, with limited resources.
It's a weird place that we're at right now. Just it it's humanity in anything like I no longer need to know anything about where I live and like my brain because I can follow the blue line in my car, you know what I mean? It'll just tell me where I'm going. You know what I mean? It doesn't like breed, intelligence. And it's probably not even good for, you know, as a just as an exercise like that, that White Stripes album. And, you know, the big story was it?
I think the only page $16,000 to record that entire first album, like, they didn't spend much money, you know, and then you look at projects like, you know, whatever, Axl Rose's Chinese Democracy, it takes 30 years and all this money and it's terrible, you know?
And it's like when you when you come out with something that's, you know, the way more time has passed since that came out than did between that, that and the the the previous guns album, by the way, which is interesting about time like, it's just. Yeah, the thing is but you can, you can be an old man about it and start yelling at clouds, you know, and say that everything was better, in back in my day. But I don't think that's very productive. You have to, like, roll with the times and adapt.
Sometimes it can be fun to be nostalgic and look back at stuff, and you can appreciate stuff from other eras. Of course, but. But I don't think it's very, a very productive or useful, way to, to spend your days just wishing that wishing the internet away like that. I think the, the upsides clearly, outweigh the downsides. We wouldn't be able to have this conversation if they didn't write, you know. Oh, for sure.
And you don't want to wish it away, because there's, like, endless good also on the other side of it. Right. Yeah. So Comodo like, we we we, we are perfect examples of, you know, so I'm a semi crappy musician, but I'm now, able to travel the world and play music for people who like it for some odd reason, without without becoming a big rock star before, like, we could. I can still it's like, do the thing.
I do other things as well and give talks at conferences and sell books and stuff and, do this part and managed to make a living doing all those all sorts of things like these and like the, the, the whole rocket motor thing is just a cherry on top and it's, it's, it's brilliant. Like, who knew like, I just find it so fascinating. Yeah. Well, you know, I really do hope that it evolves and it continues, you know, to get better. And I have to tell you that, like, when you like my entire life, can.
I mean, for, like, I lived in a venue, I lived there, I lived in that place with every possible scale of. We're loading in at 9:00 in the morning, and they have two semis in the whole production.
And every person that's on that tour and every part of that day that goes into that whole process, right there are so there's so much that goes into building that day to where when you walk in with your ticket stub and like, all of that shit is there, you know, not just for our little fun thing, but like, I feel I feel very at home there. Like, I know how that works. Like I used to do sound, you know, I can mix in a pinch. Or light.
I was a professional lighting engineer, you know, I even did, like, a DVD, that came out like, I love lights, you know? And I love making the shit look good. And I just feel very good doing that because I did it for such a long time, you know? And, you know, when you do something like you feel good on stage, you feel good playing because you were in bands and you played in basements and you practiced and rehearsed and did all this fun shit, you know, you know, when you feel good doing that.
No, this is this is what it's all. I love that you put it this way because like, this is what Bitcoin and then this community allows for it. All of a sudden you you you have a use for all of these useless skills that you built up over the years. You know.
And and it's not only the, the the music, the like other shit like my scribblings like, I think I probably like writing because I wrote music, lyrics like for, for the longest song lyrics for the longest time like that, that has, played a huge part in why I started writing books later on.
Like the book sort of took over from the from the music when I stopped playing in the band and like, stopped that whole trying, trying so hard career like, then, something had something had to give and something had to, to take from what gave like and the writing became became my new creative outlet and so so but it's through writing song lyrics that I developed this fascination for, for playing around with words and, you know, words have double meanings and, you can, you can do stuff with them.
So, so and I think this is true for many Bitcoiners that they find a way to, to utilize their passions and utilize their hidden abilities, to do something in the Bitcoin space. And it just it's just like all the pieces, you know, jigsaw falling into place. One one of my favorite Radiohead songs, by the way. But that's what it feels like. It's, Yeah. What are your thoughts? Everyone's got a part. A part to play.
Yeah. So I, I want to ask you a question, about whether the greatest of all time sort of stuff is will be timeless and live forever. Do you think that those that everything that we look at is, you know, the greatest band? By the way, I didn't get your three artists that you would want on. Oh, yeah. But but, you know, is this going to be around it? Does it does it yours either. Like, I'm, I'm trying to interview you, but you end up interviewing
me instead. Well, okay, which question does a 22 year old kid ever go through that phase where they discover the Beatles and Zeppelin, and really does that live on in a, in a sort of a future where people are maybe short on attention spans and we're living in another world, or do these things sort of die away, you know? I mean, I, personally, I love to find things that I don't know of, right? Calypso music classics, you know, old songs in the 40s, in the 30s.
You know, there's a lot of like, you know, little, little jazz thing. And I start to build my own things that I'd never discovered. Right? Yeah, yeah. You know, for Dollywood classics or Weird Little, which wasn't that fantastic in Medellin when you just took an Uber somewhere in the the soundtrack to Medellin was just great. It was everywhere, like calypso music and South American music, like, it was just, it was just pitch perfect. And I just loved it. All of it.
That's one of the fun things about traveling. Like, I have this playlist. I'll share it with you. It's a very long break, and it's all timeless classics. And just, you know, there's no there's no garbage on there.
But we call it our family playlist, and you end up in Colombia, or you're traveling for whatever reason, and you hear that song and so many times it's like, oh, whatever this is, you know, and you save it and you add it to the list and that comes on, and it's some weird Russian song that we heard somewhere, God knows where or whatever. But it's like just good music and like, you know, I maybe stumble on that, but like, do, do other people are the classics going to live on forever?
I think I think so, it might be more French. It might be more, for the few them for that, like, not as popular as before, but but there will be nerds who have their Beatles periods and they're, you know, Stravinsky periods or their Zeppelin periods or their, Zappa periods, for instance. I love Frank Zappa, by the way. And I found, like, befriended this guy in, El Salvador, in a village next to El Santa who's, an American guy who really loves Frank Zappa. We could recite lyrics.
We knew the lyrics to all of these deep cut songs that nobody other. Everyone else was looking at us like we were absolute idiots. Like, because we are and we just love. I had back when I was in my 20s, I collected Zappa albums, so I had like around 50 Frank Zappa CD's. I wanted to like deep dive into everything he did and like figure it out because it was so complex. And there's so much it's such a treasure trove once you find it.
And this goes for like, I've had several Beatles periods during my life, and I think people in the future will have those to like because there's there's so many aspects of that band to to this. It's such a, a world in itself. And their, their entire career spanned seven years. I can't I can't wrap my head around how cool that is.
And if you look at the the Get Back documentary that they made with, the Peter Jackson made with, like, when they have restored the old footage and separated the tracks and everything, so you can hear what people are saying there. It's like the opposite of proof of work. It's proof of just goofing around. They're just playing. They're just like, fiddling around and but they're in there doing the. In a way, it's proof of work because they're sitting there playing at all times.
But the but it's all it's all enjoyable and it's all none of it is like hard work. It seems everything. It's just, I'm here, I want to do this and I'm going to do it. They managed to have a fantastic career doing exactly what they wanted. So I, and I think Beatles is like, there's so much to find there. And even like, Post-beatles era, John Paul and and George in particular.
Maybe not Ringo that much, but but John, Paul and George are are there there are other albums are also worth worth a lesson or two. And like trying to discover. Yeah. I don't know. I'm a music fan, you know. So and I know you were to the proof of work for the Beatles was going to Hamburg and playing 14 hours a day that that was probably, you know, that probably got them absolutely. And and George Harrison was 17 when they started doing that. Like he was super young.
And they were they were kids just goofing around. But over such a short period of time, that's insane. Much like four movies and the 11 albums or whatever it is. I don't know the exact numbers, but, how many top hits like endless? It's just amazing. And and you know what? I love about that? And I don't know if it's like this for everyone, but the B-sides and the things that never got released, especially with Bob Dylan, and the Beatles.
For me, Purple Rain, rain, rain was a B-side, can you imagine? But like when you listen to the The anthology or the The Beat album, the have you ever heard the Esther Demos, which is the White Album demos? Where it's them with a four track. They were with Maharishi, you know. Oh, yeah. But you know, you can hear just on a four track guitar, you know, flew in from Miami and it's like a different tempo. And it's like, I just love listening to the demos.
Like the demo for Dear Prudence is like, you know, insanely good. And it's like super low fi and it's not and wasn't meant to come out. But I think that it's really interesting that over time, with your favorites, some of your favorite things to listen to weren't even the final products, you know, I mean, it just so and, and the, that, that were those on the, one of the anthology albums. Yeah, there were a few on there. Yeah. Because I released for the White Album.
You can you can listen to the whole thing, though. Yeah. Yeah, that's super interesting. That's, that's like my favorite metallic album is And Justice for All. And there's the like, there's, some recording of, like, when they have the riffs and it's just them sending riffs, demo tapes of riffs to one another, and it's so beautiful, like, these are, still to this day, I think that that's their most progressive and that's their most aggressive album. And I absolutely love it.
I mean, imagine these four guys, they're also in their early 20s and their friend has just died in a bus crash. And, and they're fucking angry. And, James has had a, his rough childhood and everything and everything. It's just poured out on that album, and it's such a, pitch perfect thing. Yeah. That's another one of my favorite albums, by the way, and justice for all.
And there are like, it's legendary because they they, the, the bass is barely, you can barely hear it in the mix because they didn't want the bass there because it reminded them of their old bass player or something. The guy that died. So, so, did you see the movie? Did you see the Metallica movie? Which one of them, like, the, the some kind of monster? Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, yeah. When the. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's what's hilarious. It's hilarious. Like the therapy sessions. Yeah, yeah.
And they're paying this guy, like $7,000 a day or something, like. And he's just a complete arguing about arguing about whether every song needs a solo, you know? And it's, it's amazing that they survived that and that there's still, sort of relevant and still sell out shows and stuff.
I mean, I don't personally, I don't think they ever made a good album after the Black Album, but but but still, there's they're still touring and every once in a while there's a semi good song coming out and, I respect the hell out of them for, for like, walking the walk the way they do and and. Yeah. So who's left to see who. Have you not seen that still touring that you want to see. And let me tell you Primus. Primus I never saw Primus. But wait, there's still touring.
Yeah, there's they did like one of the best concerts I've ever seen. Like, I didn't see it myself, but I saw it on YouTube is when Trey and Matt play all the South Park songs with Prima's and Ween. Like, that was right up my alley. I absolutely love all the South Park stuff. And and there some super talented musicians too. Especially when playing with Primus. So. So yeah, I'd like to see that if if I could pick one band that I haven't seen that I'd like, it's probably Primus. And how about you?
I don't know, and I ruined it because I finally saw the Rolling Stones not too long ago, and I wish, I wish I didn't because it just was crap. Well, no, I'm picturing, like, everything that I know of the Rolling Stones and, you know, I mean, the 70s and like every it was just it was so bad. They just don't care.
I mean, it was it was kind of I wish I almost wish that I actually do wish that I didn't go and I could just keep it in my life or I wish that I would have saw them in the 90s, maybe when it was a little bit of a different thing. Same thing with Bob Dylan right now. I mean, I wish I could have saw him in the 90s, but it is a terrible show. It is. It is an awful show. Did you know after the the, the Prague, the the 2023 one? Luke and I went to see, and Luke's wife went to see, Pantera.
Wow. The Pantera reunion or whatever you call the pit. There are tributes. I bet there's. And that was really good. And Prague is Prague especially, you know, like, if you're going to see bands in, in Europe, you should see them in Prague, because like, that's where the we know that that's where the cool underground pubs are. And everything and like, oh, of course this was in a big arena and stuff, but it was really cool. And they sounded good, like really good.
I wish I would have seen AcDc in the, in the late 90s. I actually did see them not too long ago on the tour with Axl Rose. Oh, you saw that? Yeah. They sent their singer home because I guess his death, which is which is a tough thing. This. How do you have that conversation? Listen, you're leaving her, and you can't shit. But anyway, Yeah. Yeah. Go on. It was still good. Did you ever see them? I know, but I saw the clips of Axl Rose singing.
Ironically enough, I think Axl Rose sort of redeemed himself. I mean, he's been sounding like Mickey Mouse for a long time. Like, he hasn't been good, since the 90s. Really? And, but but I think the AC, DC stuff sounded really good. Like, he sort of redeemed himself. I guess he had to kick himself in the book because he got that gig and they took pride in it. So the clips I've seen sounded good. Did it sound good? Like like, was he okay? I mean, you know, Angus Young is actually a teetotaler.
So he doesn't do any drugs, drinking, nothing. He's very, But he's a chain smoker. Yeah. He smokes like crazy. So he's getting up there in years, and, you know, it was still a very good show. Like, it was. It wasn't like the stones thing. The stones thing was embarrassing. It was still a very good show. It was weird because Axl just hung out in the back. The basically, the back of the stage didn't really live it up, like, it wasn't really his thing.
Like he stayed in the back a little bit, but it was fine. But AC, DC still does something really cool where a lot of their their show is still very like analog. Like they have the big check, you know, that that blows up the inflatable, the inflatable thing that comes out and kind of floats around and it's so cool because it's not just like everything is, you know, CGI technology, like it's still. And it was awesome and it was cool. Whole Lotta Rosie, that's Rosie, right? Yeah. Inflatable shake.
Now, I love, this, AC DC anecdote where the interviewers, accuses Angus of like, AC. DC has just made the same album 12 times in a row. Like, it's it all sounds the same. And he's like, no, no, no, that's, entirely not true. That it's completely false. We've actually made 13 albums that some. I mean, that drummer, he has to be bored. Yeah. The AC DC drummer, but man, I don't care. That's a hit, man. That's that's all you need to play? No, and I mean, an album like High Voltage.
Like how how fucking good is that? Or Hell's Bells, or what's up with Back in black? Back in black. You know, that was after the original singer died. Yeah, yeah, but that's the first one with Brian, right? Yeah. Yeah. And it's so good. And, I mean, they put up so many, so many killer things, so like, I can't imagine, like, I, I love and I love listening to AC, DC while I drive. Like, it's the perfect car. Music. And they're fairly easy riffs to play, right?
Like, if you're young and learning to play guitar, I mean, it's. Yeah. Is it not? Is it not a bad place to start? It's a good place to start, I guess. And like, this is one of the perks of all of these bands that we grow up with. Everyone learn to play guitar by playing like Metallica, Iron Maiden and AC, DC riffs. Like, when I grew up. That's that's what we did. Like we learned how to play run to the Hills, for instance. Everyone knew that. And, Enter Sandman, everyone knew that.
And, like stuff like that. Yeah. Or, Highway to Hell. Yeah. That's a that's a Canute classic. That's on the that's on the short list. I can't sing it though. Like we had to transpose it when we played it in Prague. Luke claims that he can sing AC, DC in the original key, so we'll have to he'll have to sing the AC DC songs next time, and we'll have to, like, practice them. Yeah, sure. I'd love to play some more AC, DC for sure. I may be able to help you out a little bit, so I don't know.
You should. You should. I wish I would have helped Joe out with some of his songs. I mean, I don't even need the iPad. I know every damn word. I'm a big words guy. I mean, I could have did all those pop punk songs, small things. Yeah, I know you hate it. You hate it all. No, no, I love it, I love it, I absolutely love it. I it's okay. And I pretended that I hated it in my teens, but I loved it back then too. Like, I, I love the pop punk stuff. I think it's brilliant.
Yeah. It had its it had its moment. Absolutely. So, must I mean, this has been more you interviewing me than me interviewing you, but so before, before we run this off, we've been going here for, if anyone. Stephen. Still listening? This this is coming up on on, like, 80 minutes or something, but, let's say it was. Let's go back to, Lightning Ventures and Thunder. Thunder. Is there anything else you want to add about that? Because we've been talking music now for most of this.
So, so so so what else is there to say about that? The most important thing is I'm helping Knute develop a show that is going to be really all about music and dive into, you know, bands or albums or songs, maybe play a few clips here and there. I'm looking forward to, seeing how that goes. So, yeah, Lightning Ventures, if you're curious, if you want to join our group, but we are the world's largest Bitcoin focused investing network.
Meet cool people, get jobs, get work partnerships, invest in companies, get money for your own company. We've been fiat mining for Bitcoin startups since 2021. So that's a little bit on Lightning Ventures. And, it's different than these other, VC firms. Right? The, the other VCs, you know, they raised $30 million and then they spend your money and we do it a little bit differently, where you get to make your own decisions and get rolling.
They make a lot more money, though, so maybe I should do what they do. And then Thunder. Thunder, of course, is a CF funding portal. That's thunder. Thunder.com. Totally free to sign up. We have two live deals there right now. You know, we're just getting started on the platform, so send us all your bug requests. Send us shit. That doesn't work. You know, sending messages back and forth, public profiles, earning badges, all kinds of stuff there. So we're just getting started
with Thunder. Thunder. But those are the two main things that I'm working on. Although our primary revenue driver is Satoshi Nakamoto. So that's really that's really. Yeah. Right. I mean, so you have to tell me is, the name Thunder. Thunder? Oh, is that, alluding to to the Lightning Network or was it purely an AC DC hint? It's not, but it's a little of both. You know, when I was 13 or 14, I had the third, largest AC, DC website on the internet. I wrote it in, notepad on my computer.
It was called High Voltage, was the name of the site. And it was probably one of those GeoCities slash whatever, tilde, you know, or maybe something like that, but, but yeah, I love I love that and, you know, kind of a play on, you know, Lightning Ventures. Lightning Ventures isn't just about lightning, companies. It's all things Bitcoin. And it's a jazzy name. And, you know, I think that lightning is is the way that it's going, and that is the future.
But we do a lot of other things that are that are not necessarily just lightning focused. So fantastic. And what's the website again? Lightning Adventures and Thunder thunder.com. All right. And, would you like to see me and must do a show where we dissect album by album music albums and, our favorites from the past and, and talk about each track and how they were recorded and why, if so, comments below. And and tell us what you think about that idea.
Yeah. There's just things that happened to you. I mean, the intro to thunderstruck, I when that comes on, I just can't, I just, I can't, I can't, I just, it's so good. When I see you do that, I, I sometimes wish I still had my long hair. Well, it's not too late. Cannot grow it back. Well, I have a hat now. I like hats, too. Anyway, must. It's been great talking to you, and, it's been great doing this rock, Commodus, with you.
And I hope we get to do more of them in the future and get to hang out and play chess and drink adult beverages. Whatever. Whatever. Whatever's on the table, literally and metaphorically. So, see you next time. Yeah. Can you. Thanks very much, man. Cheers to you. This has been the Bitcoin Infinity Show. Thanks for listening.