Happy that Bitcoin is at this point where like this is an inevitable future. It is coming no matter what. No one can get in the way of it. And I think the next couple of years are going to be really exciting because we're going to see that really large actors start to use Bitcoin for the purposes it was designed for, and the same reason that all of us use it as individuals corruption will never get rid of. But at least we can level the playing field and make it a fair game.
And you know, all the horrible things about mankind will always exist. But with Bitcoin at least the ledger is fair and trustworthy, so no one can cheat from that, which is kind of the core of obviously everything we have. We fix things by making them less profitable, basically, which you make violence and treating people less, less profitable because it's harder to take their stuff when it's in the head of the victim. Madex. Welcome to the Bitcoin Infinity Show. Thank you for joining us.
Thank you. Thank you for having me. It's great to have you here, man. It's not not very often we have artists, here. But you're not only an artist, you're also like, you were, a founder of Bull Bitcoin back in the day, if I'm not mistaken. Or at least in the very first wave of that company. Is that right? Yeah, yeah. Bull Bitcoin was Dave Bradley and, Francis Poole at bringing together their resources and doing kind of a brand relaunch.
And so I was responsible for, helping launch the brand and create the bull created the bull Bitcoin brand over the last, years. And, I say that like Francis and, the whole team at bull, they've built, like, a Ferrari engine. And, my role is that, I say the top of the engine has to be red, say, Ferrari across it, and there has to be glass over it so you can look in and see the engine. So I just do do design work. And, fortunately, I'm very good at design.
Unfortunately bull Bitcoin is extremely, that engineering and an extremely good bitcoin company. So, the two, skills just went together really well. And yeah, I mean, it's it's one of the most based bitcoin companies on earth in my opinion. Like it has always been always say to them I mean yeah. Can you name a more based Bitcoin company. Yeah that would be Lemon Escape Media wouldn't it. To look like that. Yeah. Other than that like but I know I shouldn't say even say that.
I mean we're you're way ahead. The the logo is the, the coolest logo in Bitcoin, too. I think it's, so you had done fantastic work there. And, yeah, I think we we met back in 2019, in Riga for the first time, when the whole bitcoin bull bitcoin team was, was over in Riga. This is like the second both economy bad year ever, right? I think so. And, yeah, I just had to go that year because I was so envious of, after the 2018 thing and I. Yeah, I saw people online, so it just had to be there.
Turns out bull Bitcoin sent the whole team from Canada. Yeah. So how did you find that conference? What do you remember most from it? That was I mean, it was awesome. What was really cool about that was, I guess around that time, like, maximalism was super early and, for Baltic Honey Badger to be Bitcoin only at that time. And, really pushing back against keeping all the kind of scammy crypto crap out, was pretty great.
And, I mean, pretty much the entire attendance at in Riga, it's just really awesome to see everyone's journey since that point and how, everything has grown and, and expanded and the world that we're kind of in now and, I think that that's like that, that was the coolest part of it for me. Bull Bitcoin hosted, a dinner and a party, in the downtown. That was in this sort of medieval, basement. And it was, really pretty amazing dinner. Pretty much the, the top, top minds of Bitcoin.
We're all there at that time. And, yeah, it was it was just it was I think the beginning of maximalism. Shortly after, Satan's book was out and, we were all kind of united and, with, with the same idea as, you know, Bitcoin is money and everything else is crap. So now I remember in, first time I met Saifuddin there to, like so many is so many people that, I have exactly the same, same memory of it because, like, it's been so great to watch everyone's journey.
I mean, everyone in both bitcoin, Ben Sessions journey, Gigi, Giacomo, Max Hildebrand, there's a safety in himself. Like, just seeing how how things have developed sense for for all of these characters that were mostly known only by the in-group on Twitter at the time and has since then, like, had these wonderful journeys in different directions. And it's, yeah, it brings brings back a lot of memories, that thing. And I remember also, like you say, it was the birth of maximalism.
And a specific thing I remember about that conference is that people were calling out chip corners, as you say, except for, Andreas Antonopoulos. Just written the that Ethereum book or was about to write that Ethereum book, but every single attendee at the conference were orange pilled by Andreas Antonopoulos, so no one dared to call him out for the Ethereum bullshit. That happened a little later, but. But I found that interesting. Yeah. So. So what has your journey been since then?
Like, can you give us a Tldr? Or maybe we should start from the beginning here, and give us the Tldr on Madex Like what? I know you and Luke are from similar, similar region of Camp Canada. I won't say too much more than that, but what's your journey? Just just a short version of it. Yeah, I guess short version. I was in school looking to, looking at building, like, banking apps for automated sort of savings platforms. And, that kind of brought me to looking at Bitcoin.
And then over the years, found myself I like was focusing on what would be my best skill, which was art. And, I was eventually able to find sort of a merger between the two. And Bitcoin really gave a message to the art and the creative design work I was doing, and really sort of made it matter. I think before is just kind of like I was in pursuit of sort of design excellence, but it didn't have, a political backing or a philosophical backing, really.
And so, along that journey, Bitcoin and art emerged, and then that kind of put me in the perfect position when Bitcoin was being created to come on and, really be able to exercise my skills and, and, and develop something new. And I kind of always knew I could create something, visually iconic and having meaningful philosophy to, to back that, just made it that much better.
So, and since, since Riga, I've just been working on that same sort of goal, building out the art project, sending Bitcoin signal, doing installations, showing up and events and, also pushing bull bitcoin and ensuring that bull bitcoin is well known and well recognized and that the the talent that we have in the bitcoin space and the industry sort of standard setting technology that we're developing at bull gets, shown and promoted and in a way that is as cool as the tech is.
And yeah, I've been busy working away on that since, since, since Riga. And I think it's going, really well. Well, bulls expanding internationally. We're live in Europe now, so we can onboard Europeans to the bull bitcoin experience, which is extremely exciting. And we've been running in Costa Rica for quite a while now and, have a really good sort of grassroots Bitcoin economy growing up there.
And I think all of that was just made possible by the, combination of just an excellent an excellent product, extremely good engineering, really understanding Bitcoin, the needs of bitcoiners, and, yeah, it's it's just going extremely well. And then at the same time, I'm pushing mate X in order to just bring more talent into the space and bring more creatives into the space.
And I think that the, after the, technology being being as good as it possibly can be and the resources available to us, as good as it can be, the next thing we need is like very big signal into the world. And, to make Bitcoin as attractive as possible to all the talent that's out there. Yeah, it's super cool. And, you know, back to a conference that you, you designed, like, had at least half of, BTC Prague this year, right? Or the bar there and, like, you were some, some type of lead designer.
How did that whole thing happen? Yeah, that that was the coolest thing I've ever done. I think in terms of being able to build a space. And, I was just, approached by, the brothers running, running the event, and, they had this space and they didn't really quite know what to do with it. And, they wanted to have art play a role in the event. And so I got some pretty kind of free, free rein to just
do some create creation. And, I was able to pull together like a really, I think, an extremely awesome space. The only mistake I made was I didn't have my own film crew there to really be able to capture it. I knew that BTC Prague had like a huge film team there, so I didn't silly, I didn't think to bring kind of my own guy and then, obviously I didn't realize, like the scale of the event and how giant it was.
So I'm planning to be doing it again, in June this year for 2025, and it should be on the same level. And, I'm, I'm definitely going to be bringing a film crew in for anyone who can't make it, but I strongly advise getting a ticket to BTC Prague to see what I'm up to, because I think it'll be pretty cool. And already last year it was awesome. Specifically the neons. I was really happy with.
I got, giant eight eight by four foot neon sign that just had, the Ayn Rand, quote on it that I swear by my life and my love of it, quote. And, a couple other light installations that were really cool. And, yeah, it was really great to get that kind of support from BTC Prague because, many they are just the biggest bitcoin only kind of maximalist conference. And they have the resources to be able to make like really cool ideas come into existence.
Versus I guess, the next closest thing to them is, Bitcoin magazine, which kind of cares about shilling crap and that they don't really have the same sort of ethical standards that that BTC Prague does for the event. And also just the quality standards like BTC Prague was the highest quality event that I've ever been to. Even just seeing as like for, for the VIP ticket holders, there was like Michelin star food. It was excellent. Like everything that was available was excellent.
And I think like the quality of the content and the signal there was it extremely good. So I was really happy to be a part of it and kind of get their vote of confidence to go in and design some stuff. And I think it turned out really, really beautifully, really awesome. Now I, I totally agree. I mean, the, the way we usually rate Bitcoin conferences is by the that the most important metric is the signal to noise ratio. And the BTC Prague is almost 100% signal.
And that goes for, I would say that the European conferences are ahead of the American ones and the Asian ones here for sure, like with Atlantis, was of course high signal to noise. The BTC held will be too. And you know, we use code infinity for whatever percent off on all of them. And come to BTC Prague and see us three and the bunch of other dorks. Anyway. Yeah. Where are we? Luke, help me out here. I thought of the joke and not the anything else reading, that happens.
You know, I mean, I think Prague actually was. It was our first time meeting, but but, the first time I consciously came across your work was when we were on Madeira. I'd seen the the logo before a bunch, and I and I, I'd never actually heard the story of, like, the, the logo and the branding and everything. So, you know, getting into the space, you don't know everyone immediately kind of thing.
But I saw the, the, the logo and, and, what struck me about that was that this is the this is the manas rune for, for those into Old Norse and runes and stuff like that. Surprisingly, out of the two of us, me and Canada, I'm more into that than he is. And, and and it was Eric who was wearing the, wearing the, the hoodie and I said, hey, nice, nice settings. Like, yeah, man made X made x. Okay, cool. So so that was, that was the first thing. And you were supposed
to be on Madeira. Right? But it just didn't, it didn't work for reasons. Something like that. Yeah. I, I broke I broke my foot skiing like two days before I was supposed to leave and had to have, like, a major surgery on it, so I wasn't able to make it. Yeah, those Himalayas are really, really dangerous. You shouldn't do that. Devastating. Yeah. That's, That was a bad joke.
No, no. So, so, like like then and then I got the story that, that you put this all together, but, I think one of the, one of the first things I was interested in is like, what, what what was this? The inspiration for this being your logo. This, this rune kind of thing here. And how does that tie into kind of your identity as an artist?
Well, I think it's the the main, the main thing that our whole civilization has gotten away from is like, the power and the importance of the individual, and the man, as is a symbol of the individual. The self.
And so it was the perfect thing to use to kind of anchor all the sort of objectivist ideologies and the capitalist ideologies and everything that I kind of stand for to, where in contrast to, you know, every everyone else who's, who's, parading around the hammer and sickle and, is focused on all that sort of collectivist crap, especially in the art world.
So I wanted a symbol that just really that already had historic meeting and was instantly recognizable, and that already aligned with everything that I was in pursuit of broadcasting. And the man as symbol just eat organically from the universe. Just happened to kind of line up perfectly with the brand made X, which had existed kind of long before I decided to use the man as, so I discovered it just even in playing around, because I was trying to figure out, like a seagull.
And then right away I drew it out and knew it was the Viking ruined. And then I had sort of this profound realization of the kind of overlaying ideas. So it was perfect. And, I think wherever the man is, is naturally, for the most part, you know, lots of people try and corrupt and co-opt symbols, but, there, there is that sort of it does still kind of carry its ancient meaning.
And so my goal is, mate X is just to kind of add and contribute to that and then also apply a lot of the, make, make the symbol synonymous with all the ideas that we really push forward in Bitcoin, and that are well explained and, and well described and well thought through in a lot of, Rand's texts. Oh, I absolutely love it.
And, well, my, my exposure to kind of this, this cultural side of things, maybe this is more of a story for another time, but but, but let's like, let's just say that that I've also been kind of into this, this, exploring, these older symbols and older traditions and things like that. And. Yeah, I mean, I just loved seeing its usage and then hearing you explain it, it's just right on, man. Like like, it's exactly the, it's such a good symbol for what it is.
And thankfully, it's it's not one of these, more badly co-opted symbols in the sort of Viking Norse sphere, like the S symbol is, is, much more associated with fascism, for example. But, no. So, so basically it's it's like this, this, synchronicity, this, this free symbol. It doesn't have any usage yet in the community, but it means exactly what you're saying it means already.
And, now I just love, seeing it out there and, the the the way you you put your work together as well, these compositions, they, they, they draw a lot of different kinds of symbolism. And, and I can always tell when something is a made ex. But but it's not like, it's not like, you only make the same kind of thing. Like, it's, it's not so much like fractal who makes these amazing pieces, obviously, that every single one of them is amazing. But he's he said himself that he makes a lot of circles.
And you can kind of tell that it's that it's, that it is. It's his work. So, like, what's your creative process in, in, putting your art together? Yeah. Well, the, the whole concept that I have behind the project is that it's sort of, emergent art. It was originally inspired by seeing kind of all these, billboards as I was traveling when I was younger that had, how they operate is what we pay. So the different ad posters will go up on them with wheat paste.
And so they're glued to the wall and then the billboard area and then they're ripped down, and then a new ad goes up and kind of over time when these billboards get like quite old, there's sort of like a history of everything that's ever been on them. That just kind of naturally emerges out of, out of, like the constant cycling of the wheat paste. Ad so I kind of that became sort of the basis and I'm, I was trying to sort of recreate that process, but kind of more controlled.
And so everything has tons and it's all extremely layered work. And there's kind of I try to keep everything kind of in line in some way, but then also have like, just random noise, in them as well. And I like for the background, a lot of the text and stuff is all like in texts that I think are important. And that should be read.
And it's sort of kind of it's like, crumb trail of, bit bits and pieces that need to be assembled to kind of become, someone who can, can really start to understand why hard money is important and why an incorruptible money system is is important. And why, you know, trade and the effort, the effort and work is the, the most important thing that you can kind of focus on, to derive meaning. And so, all the elements are just.
I want to make it so that, every single piece that's out there is kind of an investigation, and sort of a reflection on the past, the kind of what's available, what's going on. And then also kind of a look into the future and, I guess I hope and I hope for, for what's coming and, and what can be changed in this world to stop the sort of mass corruption and mass mass theft. I mean, corruption will never get rid of, but at least we can level the playing field and make it a fair game.
And, you know, all the horrible things about mankind will always exist. But, with Bitcoin, at least the ledger is fair and trustworthy. So no one can cheat from from that, which is kind of the core of obviously everything we have. So, yeah. The answer is that no, the way we we fix things by making them less profitable, basically, which you make violence and and voting people less, less profitable because it's harder to take their stuff when it's in their heads.
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Many people don't like mazes because they think it's too tedious to read human action. I read it three times, and I love the writing in it. I love these long, complicated German sounding sentences. And, one thing about him and Objectivism and I in Rand that I didn't know before, before deep diving into it, is that they were friends. They have a similar background. They both came from fled.
Fled the Russian invasion or the Soviet invasion, basically, and fled to America and got to know each other over there. And of course, Objectivism is very much the philosophical, branch of, of, praxis, logical thought and, and Austrian economics, basically every, every man for himself leads to more ethical results in the end. As long as you don't, like, intrude on other people's, property and, it's, it's, severely underappreciated, I think.
And people should, should look more into old, Ayn Rand interviews and, the into Objectivism in general because it's somewhat forgotten and it's such a great, a great framework. And so, so what's, what's your what's your take on objectivism and like, what's how would you explain it to people? Yeah, I think it's just so important for people to get into into the texts.
And like I've had a lot of comments because every single piece of art has like the John Galt quote on the back of it, and I broadcast that quite heavily. And so I've had some kind of like, hardcore Rand people, be upset with me about, like, using it.
And I'm what I've been trying to communicate is like, this is about broadcasting the signal and about making, the work that she made and the work of these other, Austrian economics and, all these people who have contributed literature that is extremely useful in sort of deriving, happiness from, from, the sort of their pure essence of life, and making all that stuff really fucking cool and really interesting and really like bringing people into to read it and then sort of
make their own conclusions, which I think unless you're like, completely, totally washed by, you know, some of the institutions out there or some of the totally radical, let's, let's take everyone else's stuff sort of idea ideologies. I think it all it's just, like, very natural. And in line with human nature. And if you don't have that, like, parasitic programing slammed into you from from some school somewhere, that you'll, you'll take to it very, very easily.
So I, I want to get as much of the, the lines and the messages and the pieces out as possible. And I think that what is an amazing way to do that is to have it like in the art and then have the art be cool, and then kind of the whole the companies and the and and the works around it be cool and just make the whole thing like very attractive to get into.
And then, you know, my, I shortest form take on Objectivism is that like, I don't think there's any argument on like, like what's beautiful or not. I think that no matter who or who you are or where you come from, you can you'll admire a cathedral over a just solid, soulless, soul crushing sort of concrete monoliths building.
I think that that's just it doesn't matter what your background is, you'll you'll appreciate, you know, that that the that the beauty is objective and it's not, I think that if, if something requires a long write up explaining, like, why it's good art, that it's probably not good art, or even worse, existing. Really? You mean so. So that paper telling you how to. How you can. How you are allowed to replace the banana with new duct tape when when it goes moldy?
Doesn't explain why the banana duct taped to a wall is is beautiful. Yeah. That's not what I mean. No, it's. You made a little video about being uncompromising in in doing your art that I saw that I really liked about about these moral virtues.
Like, according to Ayn Rand, like the her Tldr on Objectivism is, the concept of man as, heroic being with his own happiness, as the moral purpose of his life with productive achievement as his noblest activity and reason as his only absolute, which which I like. I, or I even love. I think it's it's a natural evolution of, you know, stoicism and Marcus Aurelius. It's very much, very much in the same vein, as so many of these, philosophers have, thought before, before, Rand.
But but that little video is really, like, encapsulate the whole the whole ethics of the thing and the whole, like, never compromise where they are. Integrity. Never compromise with your excellence. If you can be excellent, be excellent. Like. Except if you can be Batman and be Batman. But, you know, I liked it a lot. Yeah, I think that it's. The whole fiat system is set up in this way that doesn't, reward the contributors properly.
And so it, like, even just something simple like, How money is supposed to work is the people who are the most productive and contributing the most to civilization become the wealthiest. And that's pretty like that's pretty hardwired into us. I think that's just it's almost, you know, in our instinct, to understand that. And right now that system is broken.
And, people who are the least productive, have found a way to take the wealth from, from producers and from, from the actual kind of minds that drive the world. And so now we have this sort of backwards, that, this backwards thing where we have, like, respect for the investment banker, but we don't have respect for like, the guy who runs a plumbing company, you know, or a framing company or something like that. Even though, like the, the actual contribution on one side is much greater.
And like all of that stuff being, being reset and, and, brought, brought back to where it should be will then like put all these extremely talented people and talented creators and talented designers and builders and engineers kind of into a much better place for earnings. Right? But currently, like it's just not well respected.
And so really, if you look at the world right now, the fastest, the fastest way to get ahead and really like in, in some in some industries, in some cases, the only way to get ahead is to, use treachery and to be unethical and to use deceit and to really kind of do things in a wrong way.
And, that is that is very tempting, I think, to people who especially when on top of that, you have like the currencies are failing and just the way of everyday life and surviving becoming heavier and heavier and it being harder and harder to to get ahead by being honest and being true. So many people are driven into doing like just stuff that I don't, I don't think is right. And, you know, thankfully Bitcoin exists for, you know, some of us to kind of help us along and keep things strong.
Like, I mean, like if I, if I, if I wanted to be a thousand times wealthier, I could have easily gone into, you know, doing NFT crap or doing any kind of crypto project crap or working on this or working on. But like, all of that stuff is just, okay. Yeah, you get the money, but you lose something that I think is far more important, which is your kind of ability to really look at yourself and, you know, you, you lose, like, I guess we would say, like your soul.
You definitely. I think you can have a, a front on to everyone in the world. And you can lie to everyone in the world, but you can't lie to yourself. And I think as soon as you cross some of those kind of ethical lines that your entire life just becomes, a lie. And I don't really think that there's a way to turn back after that because, you know, you'll kind of you'll have always kind of broken in that moment.
But on the other side, being being just patient and really respecting the skills that you have. And like, you know, we have to be more creative and more cunning as people with talent to be able to find a way to earn a living and find a way to like, you know, to find people who appreciate our work. It's much more difficult. But I think in the end, it has longevity. It'll last, like, your whole lifetime, to do to do the hard work.
And you'll kind of you'll always be able to know that, you know, you acted, in, in the spirit of goodness, first verse, I think the overwhelming evil out there, you know, I love that it resonates so hard, like, with, the way we do things as well. But it also leads me into as sort of a devil's advocate thing here that, something I'd love to pick your brain on.
And this is, we wrote a couple of paragraphs, at least, if not a whole chapter about this in the in the book about, proof of work being a little bit being a bit too close, like labor theory or value. Like if, if you're just doing work for work's sake and the market didn't ask you to do that work, then you're basically just just doing whatever the Soviet Union were doing. I mean, I think, proof of work should be rebranded into proof of results because, because that's really what counts.
I mean, not even in Bitcoin mining is proof of work. Actual proof of work. It's just proof that you found the correct touch. So it's it's the result that matters. The work is implied by the result. But like, proof. I don't I don't think it is proof. I think it is a hint of work. Maybe, but it's proof of results. And I think that's the way to approach, approach, creative projects as well.
Like, I respect a lot of artists that, both musicians and actors and, and the other author, artists as well, that don't necessarily seem to do a lot of, to put in a lot of effort, but their output is excellent. Like, I, I can love an actor like Bill Murray, for instance, who made a career out of just looking like he doesn't give a fuck all the time. And, or some bands and, songwriters that seem to be the same. Let's just have this, like, talent for for finding interesting melodies and stuff.
And they don't seem to really do that much work. It's just comes to them naturally. I think it's it's hard to know, though, how much work that actually went into it. You could you could argue that a whole that your whole life is work. If you if you have the correct mindset and if you learn from all of your experiences to really take things to heart. But there's there is, there's something there between proof of work and proof for results. Would you agree?
Yeah. I mean, it's it the market is is the truth and the price is the truth. So and we just unfortunately have like a very distorted, market signal right now. So you can't be it the pursuit of excellence still has to be in line with, with, with what you said, like a result, of some kind. And but I think that, you know, there's probably a place for a lot of things that, it it's. Yeah, it's, interesting site. I mean.
Yeah. Just because you put a lot of time and energy into something and just because something. It's one of the questions that frustrates me a lot is with my, being doing art stuff, is that I'll present something and then someone will ask like, oh my gosh, like, how long did this take to make? As if that's relevant to to what it is? You know, or like what was the technical step by step process to create this?
And it's kind of, like I get the questions, but to me it's just like completely irrelevant. And like, what really matters is like how good the work is. And I'm willing to use any means necessary to make the work as good a, as good as possible. Any, any technique, you know, any, artisans, any, you know, experts, any, any bits of text, like any bit of, information, any.
I'm, I'm well, like Maddox in the unfortunately in the way that it's come together, it's like kind of all very around me right now because that's how it's like bootstrapped.
But really what I'm trying to create is just a, like, art production house that just creates like insanely high quality, really amazing stuff, with the basis being art and then also kind of getting into, other like products and things, things I care about and, you know, doing that takes insane amounts of time and insane amounts of people and sometimes no time and no people. And, you know, the results on either end can sometimes be really good.
And, you know, I can spend no time on something, and it only be me, and it can come out shit, or it can come out amazing. Or I can spend, you know, three months doing something with a team of, like, six other people, and it can come out amazing or it can come out shit. So you I, I, I think it's just having taste and having, I yeah, I guess, I guess that's just like, who will who will succeed and kind of who will, you know, not like the market will really ultimately decide.
But I guess what I, I guess the point is not to take shortcuts, more than to, like, work on something that doesn't matter or is crap. It's just like. It's like I've had success from kind of the beginning of what I'm doing because I think I'm a great designer and it resonates quite well.
And then as a result of that success and doing well in the first place, a lot of like extreme shortcut opportunities were offered to me, you know, to be a part of like scam projects or crypto this or crypto that or whatever other bullshit. And, you know, those would have been like shortcuts in, in financial realm, but it would have totally fucked up the work because it would have just gutted that kind of soul and meaning.
And really what I think is the value, it's like the the real value, like the reason matrix art is going to really fucking matter in 50 years versus all the other artists that are out there. Is that it's it's tied to one of the most important times in all of history where we're going through this transition and this shift, and where the wealth is moving for, for the first time ever. And I'm sort of coloring over that, that change in history.
And that's what gives it I think really, it's ultimate like meaning and make makes it really, that much better versus kind of, stuff that maybe like technically extremely good, but just kind of exists and doesn't really have like an anchor behind it. You know, there's like a huge element in, of humanity and, and what I'm trying to push into the world with made X, that I think is timeless and will continue to resonate. Yeah. And but you're absolutely right.
No, I just find creativity a very interesting concept. And, for me and for others, I know it's a it's a very strange beast to try to tame because it's it's, you never know when stuff is going to hit you. And, I know Lucas in this first time I went around, like, talking about. I wanted to write the book for, like, two years before. Before I started writing one. And then I write one. It takes a month, like, or two. I have the basis of it. Just pours out of me when it comes.
But before that, it's totally fucking writer's block. And I spend time, like, daydreaming and walking around and trying to come up with stuff. And I used to think of that as me being lazy, but but now. But I've realized that it's not being lazy. It's it's like part of the process. It has to be part of the process. And sometimes it just hits you. And that's the strange thing about creativity.
And, a lot of things have been said and written about it like, the best, the best way to be creative is to, I think this the John Cleese's take on it, that you you cannot be interrupted. But you also need to know that you are not going to be interrupted. And I like that a lot. And I guess that's why I mostly work in the mornings, because I know my family won't be up, so I won't be interrupted. Like the risk of being interrupted is just not there.
Because if you know that you have, you're going to get a notification soon or you're going to someone's going to try to grab your attention, then it's much harder to focus. Like you need that much space to to actually do something creative if you're working alone, especially and I mean other, other thoughts around it like, like you said, some of the works take a short amount of time and some take a long amount of time, and that doesn't really matter for the end product.
It's, a way to look at that. It's like it's the fish that's beautiful, not the fisherman. So you, But what you're doing is by by being productive as a creative. Is that you're going fishing, and occasionally you'll stumble on a beautiful fish, and you never know when, you could you can increase your odds, but you can't really control what kind of fish you're you're going to get. Does that make any sense to you? Yeah. No, it definitely does.
Like, I think that by I mean, I think that all the best work that I've done has been some sort of, like, divine alignment. And it's like the whole there's all there's so much information out there. And then to kind of find the things that go together in the way, in a way that is really powerful and really works. Well, it it's it comes, it comes to you in waves and in moments.
And it it's you can't just, something that has been difficult to explain to people around me is that you can't just, like, sit down and then just, like, make the stuff. It's pretty, like you said, like walking around and thinking about this, thinking about that, looking at this, looking at that. It's like, can feel like you're wasting time. But really it's important.
And sort of figuring out where all those kind of puzzle pieces go and it all what to do will kind of hit you at the most bizarre times. And then I think, what what really is the secret is just having the having structured your environment and set up your life so that when that inspiration hits you, you're able to capture it and, with, with, with very little, friction. And also, like you said, without, distraction and.
Yeah, every I mean, we're just kind of reflecting out everything that come that comes in and you can I'm always looking for like, little signs. I think what I meant with that kind of divine side is that I, I, I am coming at life with this sort of attitude that, like the whole universe wants me to succeed and is constantly offering up gifts and is offering up, kind of little tokens of knowledge and little like little puzzle pieces everywhere. And I'm just looking for them.
And I think every failure I've ever had in my life, or kind of everything that I look back on and feel bad about myself for, is just a sort of ignoring the nudges or not taking kind of seriously the nudges from the universe. There's a really great, story from, Rick Rubin about one of the system of a down songs that he was, helping the band work on, and they were looking for the lyrics to, like, fit in a certain segment of the song.
And, Rick was just in his office with, the lead singer, I think is named Serge and just told him, just go pick a random book off the bookshelf and open it. And, so he went and pulled this book off the shelf and opened it and read sort of the first line out of the book. And then that ended up being like the perfect lyric to fit into the song.
So with, with finding like, I think really the, the, the major skill is like identifying those gifts and really recognizing them and taking them seriously and like when the opportunities come, like just really rolling with it and really, you know, getting getting it converted into, into like physical reality from that sort of idea that's in your mind. Yeah, that would be my take on that. I know the lyric gets the the father to into your hands I commend my spirit.
Section of Chop Suey. I heard that interview, too. I think it's fascinating. I mean, I'm I'm not religious at all, but but I do identify with, like, I do recognize that, creativity feels like you're channeling something. It doesn't feel like you. Like you feel like you're you're the the thing is, coming from somewhere else. And I don't know, like, I, I think we what I do think is that we all, underestimate to which extent our mind creates our own realities.
Like, how much of the universe is actually, like, how you are the universe to, to a certain degree. I mean, you're you're not only in it, you are it, and it's it's, it's sort of like letting, letting not not letting the egos stand in the way of the self for a while or something like that. There's there's something to it.
Yeah. I, I just find it fascinating to to talk to, to creative people about their processes because everyone is different, but everyone seems to have this, recurring theme of of feeling like they're they're doing something else's work and like, it's it's not an ego thing. When you when you let go of that, I think what's Benny Andersson from about that said, you just have to be at the piano when the song is in the room. Which which I think is a very, very good way of putting it.
Anyway, let's let's get back to reality and all your, your encounters with, you know, skiing accident and, running scooters into moose. What's the what's the plural of a moose into Alex? Is it Alex in Canada? I mean, me, yeah, yeah. Let's get back to Canada for a while. Skip the accident part. Let's get back to Canada for a while. Luke. Yeah. Yeah, sure. So, Yeah. Canada. It's it's it's no secret, really. The two of us are from the same region. You been you've been open about that.
You're from Alberta as well. And, I spent. Yeah, 20 years there. I, I still consider myself more Albert and then Canadian. I don't really consider myself Canadian at all, to be honest. It's it's a really hard identity to to feel when much of the country really doesn't like the place that I'm from in that country. And, and. Yeah, it's it's been a tough decade because of a certain Justin Trudeau and lots of things that have been implemented around that.
And yeah, it's just been hard and, and what's it, what's it been like being on the ground in Alberta in the midst of just this crazy political climate where it seems like the the entire rest of the country is out to get us. Yeah. Well, it, I mean.
When you grow up in Canada, you're bombarded with bombarded by propaganda, about how much better it is to be Canadian than American and how much how fortunate we all are to be Canadian instead of American, and how Canada is exactly the same place as America, except with all the horrible, you know, all the horrible stuff. And I mean, like, some things are certainly true in that regard. Like, but probably 30 years ago, I don't think they're true any anymore.
In, in terms of, like, just the levels, they're a big, like, propaganda talking point in Canada. It's like all the crime in the United States and, 30 years ago, like, that was definitely accurate. There's extreme like way, way, way more and more horrific crime in the United States and in Canada. But due to certain policies which are illegal to talk about, that crime is just here now and it's just equally as bad as in the United States and in some places, you know, you could call it worse.
And that's, that's horrible. I think, like, the most devastating if I was to restart my entire life over again, the, the within 30 minutes of turning 18, I would have been across the border in pursuit of becoming a U.S. citizen. And at that time, it, you know, some an entity like the IRS would just not really be concerning or scary. And, you would just kind of fall. And I say to you, a lot of my American friends are born there.
Like, you guys are just so lucky that you're you're already hooked on onto the IRS because, like, you can just rock and roll and crush it in the United States, where it's like anybody else in the world. Like, I think that the main deter from moving to the United States and becoming a citizen is just like taking on that kind of obligation. That and but I can tell you that, like, Canada is full blown, a second world country. It is you you notice the transition into a first world country.
The second you cross the border into the United States. It's just we're really in big trouble up here. And that sucks because we don't.
We shouldn't be, it seems like the whole country has just been kind of sold out down the river, and that the greatness that we, the great potential that we have here is just being a crushed and stamped out because, where we're being seized from and it's kind of if we develop our own power here, then we can't be kind of looted and pillaged by other forces in the world.
And, yeah, I think the biggest thing over the last, like five, ten years has just been, fighting, not leaving, like, for a long time. Family kind of kept me here. But, recently that sort of changed. And I like, think about leaving ever, every day. But what gives me hope is that in Alberta, a lot of people are really kind of feeling the same way. And this sort of separation, from Canada is really starting to gain a lot of legs and a lot of speed.
And, you know, 25 years ago, if you talked about separation from Canada, like very even at that time, because 25 years ago we still had like the National Energy Program and all kinds of really communist crap that totally abuses the wealth generated in Alberta and then takes the money generated in Alberta and redistributed to the rest of Canada. But then so, so lots of people wouldn't really before the separatism. But today it's it's the conversation has totally changed.
It's gone from why would we do that to we'd never be able to do that to that would be really awesome if we could do that to now finally, like, how do we do this? And that gives me, that makes me really excited to be in Alberta and kind of be early on this shift, because if you strip away the federal government of Canada, Alberta is one of the greatest places, in the world. And every, everywhere I've ever been and ever visited, I'm always really, really happy to come home to Alberta.
Like, one of the main things I talk about is that there, there's just nobody here. We have, like, a very low population. And that's also changed aggressively over the last couple of years. But as soon as you're out of, like, the sludge core cities, there really isn't a lot of people. So it feels like, very spacious and very comfortable in that way.
And so it's my hope, looking into the future, that Alberta can separate from Canada and we can develop our oil and gas industries, and we can take other parts of, Saskatchewan, British Columbia on either side with us, and build like a super power country. And having it having it's small enough that, you know, we don't have the sort of negative effects of a nation state, but big enough that we have the ability to kind of really develop out our resources and really become a prosperous society.
So for that, I really hope to always be here. But at the same time, like, I'm kind of keeping an eye out because it just can keep getting worse and worse and worse. And like the taxes just keep getting higher and higher and like a huge motivator right now for me, that's been poking at me lately for leaving Canada. It's just that the health care system is so fucking bad it's fucking impossible to get a doctor.
You'll wait like four years for a fucking surgery, and then you'll come in to do your surgery and they'll just decide that, actually, we're not going to do it. There's all kinds of, like, horrible horror stories around the health care system here that are just drowned out by our entirely state controlled media. And that, like, was not a problem for me when I was younger.
But now that I'm starting to get old and break myself a whole lot, I'm really, I, I really care about being able to access good health care and, like, something a lot of people don't know is that, like, private health care in Canada is illegal. So it's very difficult, to get to get taken care of. And there are tons of clinics that, like, find loopholes and ways that they can provide some level of private care service. But they're all very limited, very closed, very difficult to get into.
And even when you're involved with them, mostly what they are is kind of onboarding you to clinics or doctors or hospitals in the United States. And then you're having to leave the country to get sort of procedures done and pay for that on top of being tax, you know, 50% of your income, and then all the other layers of taxes that add up to roughly 75 to 80% of of the dollars that you earn in Canada are taken by the state. So, yeah, it's difficult, but I'm hopeful it will change.
And like, Alberta is a ranching place. It's an oil and gas place. It's an innovative place. It really does have a lot of potential. And if we can kind of stop the brain drain that's happening, which, is happening across Canada, but very specifically in Alberta, that, like, all the super intelligent and highly capable people, just fucking leave.
Because I can even just, like, right now by, like, moving into the United States, I can just five my wealth and my net worth, even with paying the even with paying, like the cost of living in the United States and all that, it's not everywhere, depending on where you choose and just having access to like a proper real market and being able to be surrounded by people who are able to produce like wealth at scale, and that have like less of the limitations that exists in Canada is so powerful.
So it's very tempting to like to, to, to leave. And I think that anyone who really, you know, has it together, that's exactly what they do, is like, get the hell out of here. Which is really sad because we just lose a lot of the. And then we're just.
I think that's why we've become, like, such a fucking commie shithole place is because so many brilliant minds have fucking left, and we're kind of just left with all the incompetent noobs that, you know, are more concerned about taking and stealing the wealth that has been produced by others than finding a way to generate their, their own prosperity. And it yeah, it sucks. So long rant, but and you know, I agree with so much of it.
I mean, I'm going to pretend you haven't been talking about me giving me compliments this whole time. Because because I did, I did leave, and, and, you know, the circumstances for that weren't like, I wasn't desperate to leave. But the thing was, as soon as I got the opportunity, I took it. And one of the reasons for that was just because there there was no job security here.
None like any of the oil and gas companies here could go on a layoff spree at any time, and everyone would understand and know why, right? Because because just the economic conditions sucked. And and so taking that way out that that lifeline I mean I've got a lot of FOMO for, for not being in the Alberta community because it seems like there's a lot of awesome stuff going on there. At the same time, I really think it would be hard to to live in the conditions you're you're talking about.
I mean, I mean, where, where I've, where I've gone to is, is definitely not this, this like, libertarian Paradise by any means. But but Finland is culturally a lot like Alberta, and certainly I would say Alberta compared to other parts of, of Canada in that it is very individualistic, despite having a pretty big state there. But but the thing is, there isn't this, this constant stress that everything is going to going to just crumble. And I mean, that was that was the biggest thing.
And I, I think if Alberta were able to actually achieve some measure of independence and, and not constantly having the rest of the country take, take, take this, this is this is just the ridiculous thing.
Every year when, when the new equalization payments come out, the, the, the for for those who don't know, like the, the the system of payments from the so-called have provinces in Canada to the so-called have nots and it's really, Quebec, the French speaking region is is mostly the is most of the, the have nots and Alberta and Saskatchewan and the producing provinces are the big haves. It's just it's just ridiculous to me. Like that's it's such a blunt instrument.
That's not the way to, to do it. And and it just creates this, this resentment and it creates a dependance as well. Of course. I mean, we can cycle back to something else you said about, really just the the culture of being dependent and of, of thinking it's normal to, to have society be based on taking from other people. Like, the thing about Rand's work, Atlas Shrugged, and I think the thing that really gets me there is it's just that when people have had enough, they're just going to opt out.
Like, I, I care about my family. I care about my my friends, my community. I'm I'm going to help them, but not if I'm forced to write like, I'm not going. If I'm forced to help the entire rest of my country, whatever. Like. And I have no control over what's going on. It's just there's a breaking point, right? No matter how good conditions are.
And I think that's the thing that that, none of the people who are left leaning or even even all the way call me basically in Canada, really get across the world. But I'm familiar with Canada. Like I see people online talking about how Trudeau is actually awesome and the Conservative Party is only just going to, you know, cut all these services and make everything worse. And, I mean, maybe they are maybe they are going to make everything worse.
I, I'm not pretending that, the politics is the is the cure all here, but it's it's just crazy how, there's always talk about about putting in your fair share into society and, and that millionaires and billionaires and the most successful have to pay more, pay more, pay more like like it's all about the percentage of tax that you pay. And it's really just, it's it's so infuriating because because that money can be so much better spent.
Just if I could just funnel money into into my business, if I could just help out where I want to help out. You know, my buddy needs a boost, because he's in trouble temporarily. Whatever. Or there's some charity that I. I actually like. Right. I'm going to do that. But if it's all taken away, that incentive just goes away. And so, yeah, I'm, I'm just I'm just honestly, I really hope that that Alberta can actually achieve independence. I really want that.
I, I think that's, that's going to be good for, for Canada. To, to get its lifeline taken away. And that's going to be good for Alberta and, well, I think a trend anyway, worldwide is going to be some of this fragmenting, you know, that some of these bigger countries and bigger, associations are going to start to decentralize more. There's even talk about that in the States, right. So, yeah, what do you what do you think about that? Like the, the way things are going.
Well, I mean, I think often about how in a free society, if you want to help the poor or the less fortunate or you want to make a, a contribution, nobody will stop you from doing that. And the the state of the world, like the governments of the world, have really put a lot of money and a lot of time and a lot of effort into convincing us that if it wasn't for their benevolent grace, that all the less fortunate would just die in the streets. And it's just not a true reality at all.
I think that for the, for the most part in, in Canada and in America, that people are inherently good. And I think that they are pushed by the theft, to act in, in ways that they wouldn't normally if they were, if they were more free.
For example, like if you're earning crazy amounts of money in the taxes, low you, you, you have, you're more likely to have an attitude to want to give back and want to do something meaningful and want to make a contribution like a donation or do something charitable with the with the money that you're earning.
Then if you're working equally as hard and having half of what you earn stole in from you, and you're being berated and told that you're a terrible person for being able to produce that kind of wealth, and that you don't deserve to have it in the first place, and that there are other people who need it more than you. And it's being taken.
I think that just turns you into the type of person who does want to just let people die in the streets, and, and makes you angry, and it makes you resent the people who are less fortunate because you are being robbed. In, in, in their name, which really creates sort of a negative, a really negative sphere to be in. Versus like I said, if you're just crushing it, making extremely good money, you're left alone. You're celebrated for your production and your contribution.
And, you know, you're you're at that point, I, I, you know, yeah. Some there will be some like bad apples here and there that are like, no, fuck everybody. I'm just taking all of it. But I don't believe it. It's true at all that that would be the only case I think we would find. I think we would find the state of all the things that the fucking commies cry about, which is just shields their own lust for power would be solved, very, very quickly by private, participants.
Every, every sort of, every program that the government has come up with, the private sector could do it way, way better. And I think certainly would, especially if they were not being stolen from so I hope to see that kind of change. In, in Alberta, I think people in Alberta feel that way a lot. And like, the cities are bad samples in Canada because they're just totally. That's where like when you're living in a city, you are you are fully dependent, on the city.
So you're much more prone to, like, the collectivist thinking, versus when you're rural, you know, you have to plow your own driveway. You have to, you know, shit, go and seek out your own. So you got to figure things out for yourself. And so, you know, I hope that more people can kind of understand that, because right now, how how it is, is that all the wealth just leaves. So, like, everyone kind of cries and screams about it.
And then they put in these, like, completely insane rules, which I think we saw in one of those, like northern European countries recently. Where they up the wealth tax and crazy amount and all the fucking idiot bureaucrats were excited about how much more money they'd be able to invest, and they were all designing their new lake houses. And then all of a sudden, they had far less than they did the year before because so much capital fled.
And I think that the harder that the state pushes to increase their theft, the more we're going to see that sort of escape. And, I think that there are jurisdictions and there are places in the world that will realize the opportunity of saying like, hey, all, all we have to do is make this country tax fucking free.
Or like just the lowest possible tax and you'll will just brain drain like look at fucking Dubai and like and you know all the all those little islands in the Caribbean and these places around the world, it's like one somewhere along the line, one of these first world countries that is really, really amazing that people want to live in is going to be like, you know what?
Let's just fucking do the whole no tax thing and create a haven for for businesses and then the entire world, especially if it's a really fucking good place. We'll flood there and we'll set up their operations there and we'll begin to, you know, build lives there. And that's what I see forward in Alberta.
That would be the most amazing thing, is that, okay, we have this section of Alberta where our own country and we're going to structure ourselves in the same way as Monaco is structured, or Luxembourg or Andorra or any of these like European countries where we're just like, okay, like this is the the sovereign republic of the Crow's Nest Pass. And here the tax rate is zero, and here the corporate tax rate is zero.
And here and you know, and just like provide provide and like obviously, you know, there is some level, of contribution that has to be made to make a place awesome and livable. And I think that'll just be naturally done by the individuals who join that society. It does not. It'll just be emergent. It will not be from decree. So that's what I would really love to see in Alberta. We just have a, a section of it. I don't know how big or how or whatever it'll be.
And we just say like, okay, like let, let let's look at the success of Panama. Let's like the success of Monaco. Let's look at the the success of these places that have really put good deals on the table to, to business and banking on all the industries. And, you know, you are welcome to participate in free markets here. And we will not steal from you would be a great that would just be a great like country motto. Like we will not steal your shit.
Will not we will not take what you've built with your effort and labor and claim it as our own. No, I absolutely agree that like the reason people don't understand that zero is the ultimate tax rate is that they got the whole thing. There's so many misconceptions. First of all, like you have the left for curve, right?
So if if, a country has a 100% tax as nobody works because there's no point in working because they take everything, so then you can't take their stuff anymore because no one does anything. And if you have a 0% tax, then everyone works because they have to to survive. And the theory is that somewhere in between that that this is a curve. So there's an optimal point for Texas where you can extract as much as possible. But what they don't understand is that that point is actually zero.
Because what what Texas do always is, miss allocate resource and says and hinder hinder companies from having exponential growth. And my, my go to example is the apple tree farmer who has one tree the first year. And he makes so much profit that he can have two the next year, for the year after that eighth, the year after that. And thereby his company can have an exponential growth and he can feed an exponential amount of mouths over the years.
And if it's just taxed 50%, he never gets to the second tree. So all of these exponential effects that could have been going on, you don't see any of them because and it's all because of the taxes. It's not because people, the brain drain or anything that the the taxes themselves fuck everything up and people don't work and and we I come from Sweden. You live in, in Canada you would live in Finland. These are all taxes that are way beyond the Laffer curve.
We're way above 50% taxes, especially if you include everything which is, you end up with a number like 80% if all VAT or import tariffs or all the all the bullshit. And still we haven't even begun talking about inflation, which is like the worst Sneakiest meanest fucking tax of them all that punishes the the, the poorest and, and richest, the richest, those with assets gain from it and those without, pay for pay
for everything else. So but the beauty of this is that this country we're talking about already exists. It's bitcoin like, you can a company just it's nothing but a telegram group or something. You can do everything without permission and just do the shit, and nobody can do anything about it. As long as you don't touch the fucking banks, because they suck and they're in cahoots with the government. So be in Bitcoin, you know, get paid for your goods and services in Bitcoin.
Don't tell anyone about it. Just fucking do the things. And we can give the middle finger to the state and enjoy the ride at the same time. And the purchasing power of Bitcoin the number go up thing that is Bitcoin telling you how much better a libertarian, anarcho capitalist, centralist, objectivist society is than all of this fucking comic book bullshit that that all other politics are. So fuck you and do bitcoin opt out and a rant. Yeah.
No, definitely. I zero is the perfect tax rate and allows every everything everybody to thrive and at all levels. You know it even incentivizes like the low the lowest because well your you own your time so you can convert your time into capital, then you can use that capital however you like. And it isn't complicated. It isn't hard.
I mean, like a lot of a lot of the things in business that, are make production so difficult is just entirely bureaucracy and entirely the government getting in the way. Of productive operation.
And if we can just have a place where that doesn't happen and, like, you know, if, as the state body, if there is one, just leaves you alone, that that's the ideal, you know, that that's the real utopia, that all these fucking collectivist retards are in pursuit of is just like a place where the market signal is clear and perfect so that resources are not mis allocated and are not wasted, and a place where you own your time and the effort and the value you produce with your time, is able
to be transported into the future and able to be saved for when you need it. And that's why in a lot of my work, I have the message that, death to times thieves. And what I say to a lot of my friends who are kind of have been on the edge of Bitcoin for so long, it's like, what you don't understand is like, these people have been fucking stealing from us all this time. Like, they're out of the game. It's over. It's done for them. And like we're going to go through this rough transition period.
But at the end of it, like their ability to steal from us is completely destroyed. And I'm happy that Bitcoin is at this point where like this is an inevitable future. It is coming no matter what. No one can get in the way of it. And I think the next couple of years are going to be really exciting because we're going to see that as, really large actors start to use Bitcoin for, the fucking same, like the purposes it was designed for. And the same reason that all of us use it as individuals.
You know, giant companies are going to be playing, playing out exactly as us individuals act. And that just creates exactly what you're talking about with this, this world that that is a free, free marketplace. And so I just I'm so excited for it to be to for it to accelerate. And I'm so excited for the fucking people who have profited off of the theft to just come to, to have to fucking go and work for. Yeah, this time they'll have to get a haircut and a job like this. That's just it.
Maybe not a haircut, but I mean, now I couldn't agree more. I think the transition will be more peaceful than we than we think. Like, I like having that thought in my head because I think that's how we make that happen. It will be because the brutes and enforces are being onboarded to the coin. So like Bitcoin and it's just like, no, when you look at every example of everything that's ever played out, it's like, okay. Like the wars ended when the money ran out. And you know what?
The individual is going to make a decision, which is, you know, pay me with what? Yeah, exactly. You want me to go and enforce all this fucking bitcoin shit and, like, squash bitcoin, man? Fuck you. I have bitcoin, I have a lot of bitcoin. I've been saving it since I listened to that podcast way back. Yeah. Like I'm like made it and enforce that. So like that that that's it's really there's a really good kind of visualization of it which is in Fight Club.
Yeah. And how you know that the Fight Club members are just fucking everywhere, and they're, they're like the brick and mortar of the whole world. And we we have that now, and, it's really great. I have a story that I was going through, like a security check in the world, and I got, sent to, like, the, like, secondary check where they rip your whole bags apart and they really give you a hard time. And, I went through the whole process and just kind of, like, answered everything honestly.
And it was fine. But then at the very end, like the, the guy who was the officer inspecting my stuff just kind of leaned in and was like, do you own Bitcoin? And it's like one of those questions that's like kind of awkward when you're crossing borders. But like, everything in my bag was bitcoin related and I was going to a bitcoin conference. I was like, yeah. So I just like yes. And then he just leaned in a little closer so do I. Oh fucking amazing.
And then like pulled back and then like I packed all my shit together like stamped my papers and sent me off on my way. And it was like only one of those sort of fight club moments. Oh, I think we're going to see that, because the people who are most comfortable with the fed and, you know, and the fiat currency are going to be the last ones to onboard the coin, and that's just going to work perfectly. The people who are going to be buying.
And I've been pushing this a lot lately, which is that like, I don't give a fuck about any of these fucking suits. I don't give a fuck about this economic stuff. I don't give a fuck about, you know, MicroStrategy and all that crap. Like, what I care about is, like, do the people whose efforts enable my quality of life, do they have Bitcoin and how do I get those people bitcoin.
So all the maintenance requirements for property all like my farm and food supply, every like component of my quality of life, I want to make sure that the people who directly support that, have bitcoin and that bitcoin is sort of an investment in their business.
It's like, yeah, when you when you're when you start paying people around you in Bitcoin, it's almost like you're going to making little like venture capital investments and like all these businesses because the bitcoin that you pay them with and you know if they keep it right. So you have to do a good job of them. Understanding and respecting the coins just guarantees that that business is still going to be here in ten years.
Yeah. And those are the people that fucking matter to to get the coins, not the suits, not anybody that's in the banks end of that crap. Because, you know, the guy, the like the cop that pulls you over, you know, for speaking aggressively. Just pitch that guy some fucking bitcoin because he, he's got to get on it because he's not making fucking shit. And he's dealing with the exact same. All the enforcers are dealing with the exact same fucked up stresses of inflation that we are.
And onboarding them to Bitcoin just makes it one step easier that when you know, true Dao or these other sort of leaders that are out there cast their orders to go and stamp out the fucking Bitcoin, it's just not possible to do because, you know, and I think this is already happening. Like guaranteed there's like CIA analysts that have been stacking for fucking eight years.
And our heavily incentivized to like fuck up some weird orders to go and attack something with bitcoin and you know, and it's not going to be all of them. But definitely it's a large percentage more and more every day onboarding. Now and we're heading towards the final scene in Fight Club. Not only this interview but that that is like where hyper mechanization starts, where all the skyscrapers with a credit card companies just fall apart.
And I'm going to play that Pixies song on the loudest volume and enjoy this show when it happens. Yeah. My next. It's been fantastic having you on the show. Yeah. Super conversation. Great to have you here. Good luck with everything in the future, and I hope to see you soon. In real life. If not in Prague, then somewhere else. Yeah. Good luck with everything, guys. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me on. And, you know, just keep stay, stay sovereign, I guess.
Just keep, keep making up your own minds. Thanks, actually. Awesome. Well, with that, is there any way you'd like to direct our listeners? Where can they find out more about your project? Oh, Bitcoin. All that. Yeah. It's just if you're in Europe, you can sign up to Bull Bitcoin now and start using our services there. You know where we're just recently launched. So still figuring things out. But it's seems to be working very smoothly.
And if you're Costa Rica you can figure out how to pay with Bitcoin for absolutely everything because we're integrated with SymPy. There. And then obviously in Canada, long running, extremely good Bitcoin services for any of your needs to kind of interact with the fiat system.
And then I have artwork listed at Madex Art, and it's kind of always changing and cycling and, yeah, I would say just, whoever is most important to the actual function of your life, like, get those people on Bitcoin and don't worry about any anybody else. And yeah. Absolutely fantastic. I think that's the perfect way to end the show. So mate X thank you again for coming on. And this is being the Bitcoin Infinity Show. Thank you for listening.