True of the footprints, namely their remarkable consistency, their biomechanical appropriateness, spanning the entire globe, involving hundreds of different cultures, betwaining the same phenomenon by different names. At some point you have to go, even as a scientist, you have to say, well, there's got to be jumping. It can't all be back. Welcome to Out of the Woods with the Big Foot Influencers. My name's Tim. I am thrilled that you guys are joining us,
and I'm thrilled for our guest. Today. We're going to have the one and only DJ from Calling All Beans Podcasts or c AB as they call it. DJ and I met, oh God, not that long ago, but we connected through this. This is like a family, you know, all of us who do these podcasts, and he's just good people. Him and the crew that he worked with. They have an amazing show. And we're going to bring DJ on and we're just going to talk about what they
do on their podcast and share that with you. So as you guys are out there looking for content, looking for things to listen to, you'll have another place to go. So I'm going to keep it short and sweet. If you want to follow us, you can go to the Bigfoot Influencers dot com. You can head over to Facebook at the Bigfoot Influencers. You can go to YouTube on the same name they put influencers, or if you want to check out a weekly show on YouTube, it's on the Untold Radio Network,
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there? He is the one and only. How are you doing, man? Yeah? What's going on? Brother? Oh? Man? I can't I love it and I'm loving life, you know, I just I'm here talking to you. I can't get better. Man. Just promised me. Tim, we gotta at least talk a little bit of Bigfoot during this twenty This is your show today, We're gonna let you. We're gonna talk about what you want to talk about. I mean, there's gonna be some questions.
Obviously, you're trying to talk a little bit about you, you know, how you got into this, maybe a little bit about who you are where you know, and you've got to You've got a really cool background, and and thank you for your service to the country. And we appreciate everything that and all of our other folks out there doing that and you know, keeping us safe. So we thank you for that. Comes in all different forms, you know, and you know that being in there. Yes,
what the family, you know, it's what you talked about. Man, we're all like when And I think the reason that you and I connect and connected so well from when you were in the chat is because we both see this as family and not as rivalry. And the people that see a rivalry end up hating each other. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, we're doing the opposite of what some of the old school right bigfoot researchers did. Right, it's not that not that some of that may not go on here and
there, but there's more collaboration going on. When I wrote the book, I learned that that than people realize. So there's a lot of folks are doing a lot of things together. So so DJ, you know a little bit about your background, you know, how do you how do you get into this and what do you know? What do you do? So real? Uh, you know, real simply like it's it's funny that I went through this with matth the other night. But I'm not interviewed all that often
about me personally. But basically, I'm a kid from the Hudson Valley in New York, Hendercutson High School graduate, college graduate. But um, I really connect with my home and I had my first UFO sighting there, which I didn't talk about for about forty years until Dave Fraber, the fighter pilot, came out and spoke about his and then I said, huh so,
um so yeah. Basically, uh, what I told Matt was I was a kid that ostensibly went from special ed to special ops special ed in uh middle school, in high school, started figured out that I could do wrestling in high school, which then made me believe somehow that I could play college football, even though I had never done either one of those things prior. And I did play college football and semi pro football even and then while I
was in the Air Force, and that took me. I went into the Air Force, and I just had a lot of confidence as a result of my high school uh just being very supportive. Uh. So I went and got my pilot's license about four years after I joined. I was a maintainer on aircraft. I was not an aviator yet. And then the opportunity came up to do this job called flight engineer where you could sit in between the
pilot and the copilot. And UM, when I saw that, UM, I with my pilot's license kind of helped my resume for that job and I got it. So I spent the rest of my career flying mostly tactical airlift and mostly in special operations, in full trading, extra trading, resupplying air drop of special app forces. I flew AC one thirty gun ships a little bit about a year. UM, and even I'm sort of just retired Air Force now, but I've been with afsock, you know, even up to
until this year. So UM a lot of time doing at and studying aviation and flight simulation my most recent gig working with flight simulators and for the audience, probably many things that he'll know would be able to tell us about. Yeah, and nothing that would, frankly, would excite you guys, because if it doesn't have to do with UFOs or or knowledge that the Department of Interior may or may not have about Bigfoot. I mean it's it's you know, it's not all that awesome. So um, you know, it's it's
really not about me, but it is interesting. You mentioned the diverse group, you know, and even you look at CAB. You know, we have Nathan who has a master's in divinity. We have deb who's a mental health professional counselor. We have Leah who's a library science major and is an absolute book fanatic. We have Frank who is a professional drummer, and then we have Matt, the brilliant Bigfoot researcher and sort of all around intellect.
Matt is just one of those very worldly, very thoughtful individuals, and that if you look at just that that kind of you know, you know, you and Dana and then you know a Cliff was a teacher. You know, we have law enforcement professionals that are working as Bigfoot you know, should I say researchers or investigators, So it we spanned the gamut into me that
that's a beautiful thing. Um. So anyway, just the podcast portion, real quick is that I was in MMA podcasting for a long time, since about twenty ten or two thousand and nine, and then again with that Dave Fraver incident, I ended up reconnecting with the young man who was with me for the UFO sighting who's now and you know, he's now my Asians fifties, and we you know, we spoken, compared notes and I said, you know what, I'm changing my pot I don't care about broadcasting about the
UFC anymore. I want broadcast about UFOs. And my partners did not go along with me. My podcast partners, so I went alone and I got some pretty high profile guests to come on right away, and one of them, I mean for a show that had you know, no listeners. And one of them came on and a guy I had a caller all of a sudden, oh here's a caller wants to call in. And talked to this a great guest name. His name is Andy mcgrillan of that UFO podcast.
He's a brilliant interviewer and content creator. So this guy calls in and and I'm kind of looking at the screen and go, man, this guy's amazing what he's saying. This guy that's asking questions of Andy. It turned out to me Nathan, so so I said, hey, um, your name Nathan, sir. I'm gonna DM you after the show. I feel like you and I need to talk. And then it wasn't long thereafter. He was just an avatar. He didn't show his face at the time, and
calling all Beings was born one. So yeah, so so so for the audience, calling all beans is the name of beings beans that I said that wrong. It sounded like beans, but I think we all do it. But when you hear DJ Sacab that's what he means, so one when we talk about that. So so that's that's awesome. You have such a great crew there and we had so much fun. And now I understand if you had an MMA podcast background. That's the intro. I mean, you come
in like a train, which is awesome. That's probably why, right, Yeah, we we've sort of just figured out that. Um, it's just kind of an expression of my personality that which I can't use in a military setting or in a professional uh working for the d D or anything like that. But it comes out, uh in the podcast, because then I can really you know, express the parts of my personality that I can't during during the work day. So um, so yeah, it's uh man, it's
become you know, we have these certain little formulas. We you know, we have this really raucous intro and we want the guests to see you see it, says co conspirator on My My Tager, and it means co conspirator in welcoming, fun, entertaining and interesting talk about the phenomenon, which is includes now UFOs, Bigfoot, and paranormal or mat says the unexplained. So he finished our our episode with you. Right when we left, Dana said, wow, that was so fun. I mean she just and I was.
We just had a blast and it was informative and you, I mean with your panel, it's it's it was just great. Yeah, we just have so uh, we're gonna get into how folks can follow you, you know here in a little while, so high level or not. If I'm tuning into your show for the first time, you know, what do we what's the concept? What can we expack from your show? Well that that that it was basically the aforementioned First of all, the guest is going to
feel and you guys do the same. You guys do the same thing that we do is basically, we want the guests to feel really, really welcome when they come. We want them to feel how important and how much we appreciate that or they're there. And again, this is something you two also
do. So that's what that's what the intro is about and all that, and then everybody will say hello and introduce themself and then we'll so we want them to feel like so as soon as I start belting out this this thing, they go, oh wait, this is going to be different than other shows that I'm on, and so that that's part of it. So we put them in a place where they're kind of like, wow, this, you know. So we do that and then we welcome them in and then
they're gonna get um. We want it to be positive. So you'll never hear us talk about negatively about a content creator that we don't like, or somebody who's bringing negativity into the community, or someone's research methods in this case of Bigfoot, you'll hear on shows where people will decry someone else's research methods.
You don't need to do that. You can just talk about your research methods, about how you do it, not how well these you know a lot of people do X. You don't have to talk about a lot of people. Just talk about what you do and let that be what you're trying to inform the audience on rather than having them maybe take a negative view of another person. So you won't hear that stuff. So it's positive, it's welcoming, and we're gonna we do like an electrical sign wave, you know,
alternating current. Right, there's a little bit of a sign wave there, so we want it. You know. We may say something funny and have a quip or ask them about their favorite potato chips, and then we're going to get into this serious talk where the tone is serious, and then a little while later we you know, a couple questions later, we may go up and say something to make them giggle at a little bit again, and we'll kind of go on that sign wave, um until we get to
the end of the show. And then you hear when we do Cabby goodbyes, everybody says goodbye to the guest individually and says what they feel they want to how they want to thank that guest for coming on culminating with me and then and then the closing. So so speaking of potato chips, So DG and I had had a conversation about potato. I'm not a ripple guy. I mean I eat ripple, but that's not my preference is the not the
normal ones. So okay, put that in your database. Okay, so we need to all right, we'll have to let me, let me get bat. I've already told the cabbies about Old Bay, yeah, which I've never heard of. So is this is this a Maryland thing? So? Yeah, so Old Bay is a is a is a seasoning that was originated in the Baltimore area on the chest Big Bay and it's crab seasoning. So oh, I know Old Bay is, but I haven't seen Old Bay chips
like Nathan knew about it. Yep, yeah, yeah, there's there's also so there's one of the local I think out of Pennsylvania, and there might be a couple other ones. They have their own they have Old Bay. So it's a it's it's it's not Old Bay flavor chips. It is old Bait potato chips, like they're there, they produce it. No, and you know, I think it's really it's potato chips with with the seasoning on top of it, you know, already kind of baked in. I guess.
Yeah, Okay, is this something you can buy in a bag or is this something you get in a restaurant you can buy in the bag? Yeah? You know yeah, down, you know, up some of the seafood places you might find it, and we put it on French fries and
we put it on I put it down everything. So when you get down to the you know, up to this part of the world and you get near the beach, you can get those big fancy as not fancy, but the big beach fries are come in a big bucket and they're mess and you can just war year Old Bay or sometimes if it's not Old Bay brand, they'll have their own seafood seasoning brand, but they're trying to make it taste
like Old Bay. So yeah, man, I've just been culturally enriched him because now I am going to try Old Bay on the French fries at home, and I want to experience that and I will report back to your post taste. I love it, love it, love it, love it,
love it. It's awesome. Awesome. So so DJ, you mentioned that you know you had a sighting because your your your podcast covers a lot of strange things as you mentioned before, So you had a sighting when you're younger, then you later on you connected with someone and so eventually that's what inspired you to move away from the MMA and just push you into doing this. Yeah. I mean basically, um, I come from the military aviator background,
although I don't place myself as a pilot. I'm kind of like a Pop Warner player compared to David Fraber, who would be like Tom Brady m or in your case, maybe Lamar Jackson sou um but um um. So when he came out and you know, he went on Joe Rogan. Obviously, they built that twenty seventeen um New York Times article that broke the UFO topic open at the with the help of Christopher Mellen, who gave them those
videos, and luel Azando and Tom DeLong Um. The reason that that the UFO topic is in this space right now and the Bigfoot topic is not is simply because the Bigfoot topic does not have a Christopher Mellen, a luel Azando or a David Fraver or any of those three or four naval aviators that came out went on sixty minutes for example. That's the that's the delta, if you will, between these two topics, is the lack of one over the
other. So when that happened, I said, well, I want to start talking about it, and I actually did on the MMA show have my h the gentleman that was with me named Kenny, he came on, we recounted the event and talked about it. And then right after that, I got home from this trip and I said to my co host, I said, I'm going to start doing UFOs and they're just like, okay, yeah,
um, yeah, we're not going to do that. And I said, all right, brother, and I still talk to these guys, we have a private chat all the time, but they just didn't want to do it. So hey, you know what, what we do. We do things we're passionate about, and they don't have to be passionate about UFOs. Is fine, right, but they're obviously you guys are passionate about MMA.
You did that, and they that's totally fine. And that's what makes makes us fun as we get to talk about things that we like and enjoy all of us had grappled together. So I had grappled with both these guys in jiu jitsu in different states. Actually one of them I grappled with in Ohio, the other one I grappled with in California. And they're both Asian guys, and they made that connection. One's Chinese, one's Japanese. And so we uh, you know, we we made it. We had a really
good MMA show. It was it was good, um, you know, so that that was our connection. But they just you know, they didn't have the passion about this topic. H And I want to say this for
the audience. I want to make this clear. I am as passionate about Bigfoot and and of now really I'm getting into paranormal and that's coming up as a third But if I had, if I had to say, there's a one in one a you know, Bigfoot and UFOs I have an equal passion for and I'm really wanting to get more into paranormal and try to understand that
phenomenon. And that was a decision that came about quite recently in cab Well, you got Matt Napp on the show, so and then so between Matt, I'm sure he can pull in a ton of people and of course if you ever need us, I can, I can. As I mentioned before, we could do tons of ventures, get some folks on your show because
they love you. Did you Yeah, I still got to work on those guys from the conference, but I thank you first set getting that greasing the skids as we say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Hey, hey, you know what it's paid forward. You know, I want to touch on one thing you mentioned. Uh, you know the how diverse the communities are, and you know, community's community um and and I think White's the diverse is. Um. Hey. Sometimes people just get interested
in it for whatever reason. They could be watching TV with their mom and dad, or when their kids or whatever it is. But you know, some people have sightings. I've never had. I mean that I know of who knows I'm a sighting. It's locked back in the back of my head. But hey, one day I did see lights coming through my window my bedroom. Then I looked out and realized that it was a police officers chasing some guys. True story story. I can't lie about that, I thought
as a ufl I ran out to here man. Yeah, I was freaked out for a minute. But you know what happens, they're not you know, it's they're not selected upon who sees them. I mean some people may believe that some people have more, but you could have come from any background and UFO siding. So I think that's was really cool. That's why it brings these people together. There's a commonality of there's you know, hey,
they don't care, they're gonna, you're gonna. It doesn't matter what which background as you might see to see one of these things or have an experience. So that's pretty good. So, um, can you share what you've learned about yourself since you moved over from doing you know, the MMA to you know to the the unknown podcast. We'll call it the unknown or the unexplained or yeah, I love that Unexplained business said it does. It does sort of fit a lot of a lot of our our It sort of encapsulates
a lot of these three genres that we like. Um, I think I've learned about the not only the diversity of people, but the types of personalities and the sense insitivity. You have to raise your level. I've had to raise my level of sensitivity and be understanding of people that come from different backgrounds and are more sensitive to certain types of trauma and triggering and different reactions to
these things. And that's been really good because as you know, obviously a lot of people that can come from a military background or a law enforcement background, you need to dull those senses sometimes, particularly in a combat zone where there's not as much time for touchy feelingness and sometimes less than what you would like because sometimes it is necessary even in a combat zone, but it may
not be present. And so interacting with all these different people has made me understand that you need to be aware of that, be sensitive to that, and be available for that, um and that that's helpful. So it's it's broadened my personality out I think a lot, and I you know, I really like that. It's made me a better open my aperture a little bit and made me a better person in in ways. Right, Uh, excellent, excellent? Is there am? I know there's probably many. Is there
a person that you interviewed that was really that moved you? Can you share one of those experience like a moving interview? This is I should have predicted this question would be asked. Uh, there's been, there's been quite a few. Excluding Yeah, so yeah, of course, I know. I think Matt asked me the same, He asked me something like that. No, there's been so many. Um you know, if I had to, if I had to point out one, that just pops into my head because
I would really have to die and deep into this. But I remember when Richard Dodi and those of you have seen a movie Richard Dodi if you've never heard of him, or Rick Dodi was an Air Force OSI agent at Curtland Air Force Base during the eighties when there was UFO sightings reported by a contractor who worked on the base and lived just outside the base, so his property had view of the base and he started to collect signals because he thought there
were UFOs, and the OSI sent him out there. He's in a movie.
He's profiled in a movie called Mirage Men and very nice guy, and he was painted as this villainous person because basically the Air Force said, go and tell this guy that what he's seeing as UFOs, when actually what they were doing was sending up certain light patterns and laser lights to blind Russian satellites that were flying over, trying to visually acquire with sensors what was on the base, and they said, you know, tell this guy that their UFOs,
develop a relationship with him, make sure he doesn't do anything crazy or whatever, you know. Whatever His orders were were basically to lie to the guy essentially, and that's kind of what you do. I mean, the OSI is basically like the FBI of the Air Force. So he you when you're told, you know you will go and do this, you will and he the guy ended up really going crazy. I mean, he really got into UFOs. I want to say the NSA or another three letter agency I
would think it was the NSA started to surveil him. Rick Dody ended up having a standoff with the NSA over whose target this was. And he's like, this is my investigation. We've been on this. You guys don't have opcon here and those guys are like, no, we've been directed to come here and surveil this guy who's collecting signals and and it turned into like a thing. So, you know, he had dinner with this guy and he's like, Paul, you know you guys to stop. You know, you
got you got to stop doing the stop collecting signals. People have their eyes on you that you don't want. And he ended up he ended up killing himself, and a lot of people in the community blame Rick Dodie for that, and he started to talk about how bad he felt about that. Um, he's not responsible for this guy doing that. His family knows that, his family never even filed a civil grievance against Rick Dodi or anything. Um, but he felt that he wanted to say a maya culpa on our first
of two interviews with him, and that was fairly moving. I can't, I bet, And that's that's that's the reverse seems seems like the reverse role because typically, you know, you would think the government would say, no, those are military lights, those aren't UFOs, and they flipped it on them. Yeah, yes, because they wanted to protect what they were doing. And Rick has come out and said he was read into the program.
He got to see videos of actual UFOs and actual beings that we had captured back in the forties or eight I think it was a being at least one. So he no, no, not there. I mean no, this was like you're talking Roswell now, yeah, but I know I just yeah, yeah. But Rick Dodi told us, and he's told other shows that here he was read into this program and has seen bodies, has seen the whole nine yards. So a lot of people villainize him, and we found
him to be very forthcoming with us. Wow, that's that's cool. That's a great story. Thanks for sharing that. So, so one other thing I want to say real quick, if you get a guy like that on, a guy who's done like counterintel, you know, work work with OSI. It's actually a former combat controller as an enlisted man. He was an educator in college and then came back into OSI. You have to know that when that guy comes on, you are not going to extract anything out of
that that he's not gonna want to give you. He knows how to question you, he's not worried about how you're gonna try to be the Mike Wallace with him, right, So all we did was have fun, make him comfortable, joke around with him, and he just started telling us stuff.
Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah, Because there's some people here, you know, in the Bigfoot world that have background experience in investigating and understanding the human you know, the you know, the body language and things like that, and like Steve calls this one, I think of and I always I've talked him, and I'm always worried, are they profiling me while I'm talking. Sure, anyone who's a detective, anyone who's who's been in in the FBI, any of these types of guys. And basically, as I
said, the OSI is the FBI of the air Force. So if you if your intention is I'm going to get this guy on and grill him, You're not going to right right right, you know, so you may as well just make him feel comfortable. Um, be real with him, be true, you know, just be honest with yourself and then if he likes you, he might tell you something. And he gave us way more than what we expected. Super cool. Yeah, So, so, DJ, I want you to tell the audience how they can follow find the show.
Of course, I'll have links and things like this, you know, on the bottom of this, But how do we find you guys? Okay? So one of the one of the different things about Bigfoot in UFOs And again we are we are all three. We are not one nor the other. Thanks to Nathan, He's the one who introduced me to the Bigfoot world. And now I'm like, I'm several miles deep in it and just love it and have studied all the folks that that you have in the book and so
forth. Um so at calling Beings on Twitter, all one word at calling Beings is how you would find us. We are not on Facebook. Um Nathan's the producer of the show. I'm the content. I'm the director of content, and he's the executive producers. So he doesn't want it on Facebook. So it's not there. But you can find us on YouTube calling All Beings if you put that in and then click on the live tab. All the videos are on the live tab, including Tim and Dana the big Foot
influencers. You can also on almost all of your a whole bunch of your podcast platforms, specifically the main ones, Amazon, Google, Spotify, Apple, all those plus others. We're on there and and so, and all of your episodes are live correct, I mean all of our episodes are live every week, and so what day of the week, just so the audience knows and what time and so there isn't necessarily a day. We base it
on the guests and when the guests can do it. And that opens up your opportunities because if I say it's going to be this day and this time, and that person can't do it at that time while I might miss out. That's a big challenge. That's why we have We've done a couple live episodes, but we and we probably should do more, but we made a decision yes, just for that reason. But I love doing live. It's just tough to get out everything coordinated at one at the same time of the
week. So well, when we do the holiday episode, like when we do the summer party, which you guys are going to be on, and everybody comes on for five or ten minutes at a pop and we have like twenty five people, you could imagine, I mean that, or even when I do a roundtable and I've got, you know, six guests on the
roundtable, aligning those schedules can be you know. And one of the other things I want to mention that we do that I really like is and we kind of did this with you and Dana, I think to a degree, is the fireside chat. And with that we'll spend about twenty minutes interviewing the
guests or you know, maybe a little more. It might be thirty if if need be, and then we'll start going into everybody who comes on the roundtable brings a topic and you present that topic to the group and it goes in a circle and everybody gets to give their take on your thought provoking topic. So instead of getting just question answer, question answer, question answer, you know, we will ask the task them with bringing a topic that they
want us to uh to to consider and and uh and postulate about. So, yeah, that was a lot of fun. I enjoyed that part of it too. Of course I forgot to tell Dana that we were doing that, but she rolled with it. She figured it out. She did. Man, she's a gamer. Man, she's a gamer. Yeah. Man, So DJ, my friend, you're amazing. We love the show. I'm just gonna suggest everyone go check check them out. You won't regret it. There are a lot of fun and fascinating people, you know that they
get on the show, and uh, I got to catch up. There's some episodes I haven't I haven't got to yet, so I'm gonna go back and watch some. So we're gonna do is. I'm not even gonna do Maya. You're gonna be part of I'm gonna outro here for the audience and we're just gonna let it roll. And uh, I think one question, Yeah, I got one question for Dana, though, I want you to ask her for me from the last episode. Okay, asked Dana, what is it about again? Is that first question? What is it about Bigfoot
that has drawn her in? What is it about this creature that intrigues her? Okay, I'll ask you that. Yeah, I think I know the answer, but I'm gonna ask her because that's a because i know when she started and I know you know, but something about that. Yeah, Okay, there's something about this so before because what she jumped like one step ahead? But if at the at and Matt and I spoke about this, and I could ask you the same question, what is it about this creature that
so intrigues you that you've wanted to dive into its existence? Are you asking me now? Are you? Yeah? Yeah? Sure? So you know, so who's interviewing? Who? Here? Come on? Man? So I think for me, a she pulled me into the subject. I mean I was never not in subject because I've watched UFO things and I'm not never been a big ghost person. I mean, you know, I'll kind of dabble in there, but that's never been my thing. But um so I
was kind of in the subject. But I think what I'll say is, I think because it's something that we feel, we think that's tangible, that there's actually a living, you know, thing out there in the woods on our soil that we can go find where if it's a UAP or ufo, it's it could be anywhere. And and and maybe it's not here, you know, in this you know, in this earthly realm we're end So I think that's probably what gets gets me into it is that it's um, it's
here. It could be right here in my backyard, defining things can't. But also there was a reminder of this listening to your network, the Untold Radio Network, where you can all find big Foot influencers. I was listening to that interview with Sabilla Irwin, and one of her experiences kind of encapsulated a hypothesis I have is that the modicum and the specter, that there is one level or another of humanity that resides within this creature. That was exemplified
by her saying, it started trudging around my camper. It was picking up my stuff and putting it down and opening things and maybe slap the side of her camper. And she went outside and she said, you know, so she went outside and spoke to the forest, as you know many big footers have done, and said, you know, this is my home, and you coming and hitting the side of my home. She said, I'm just here to learn about you, and you coming and hitting the side of my
home is scaring me. Could you please stop? Said it never happened again during that four month camp out in the woods. So if you look at that and the fact of whether people believe this is one nothing more than an ape, but somehow they know if it can do something like that, there's got to be some little speck of humanity, how however large or small, you want to believe that is you believe it. You believe that that's there, and that's why you're interested. Because if this is just a if this
is just a codiac bear, doesn't give it damn. If Sibyla comes out of her yeah, yeah. And and and the big picture, if if these harry hominids, if they are hominids, uh, if they're hominids, or if they're apes, I mean we're apes. So so if if if it's somewhere in between, you know, so there could be a different type, they could be at a different level. Of a gorilla, you know a versus you know where we are, you know, so it's interesting.
Yeah, so hopefully we'll know soon, but that some of the some of the mystery will be solved, hopefully soon with a lot of different phenomenons with Bigfoot and you know, and with Bigfoot, even if it's not, that's okay because a little mystery in life is good and then and the most important thing is that these things are allowed to procreate and survive and thrive to the degree that they're able to um I think is the most important thing for it
because to lose a species like that to any one of the maladies created by humanity as us that you know, uh, would be would be tragic because they do they are so mysterious. But I'll be interested to hear what Dana says whenever you ask or just text me. I certainly do that. So thank you you are and audience. We love you guys too, and make sure you check out Calling All Beings. You can find it. You can find it everywhere, so podcast and YouTube and well until the next episode.
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