Episode 41: Underwater UFOs with Richard Dolan

long project. But I'm so pleased with this one, and I'm just happy to say the other two volumes, all of those cases have been written. They're all complete. I will I'll be organizing them in as proper books for release in the next couple of months, so I think all should be out. I'm hoping by midyear of this year twenty twenty five, certainly this year, they'll be all out.

historical record shows. One thing I've noticed in the last few years is you do seem to be moving much more on the side of believing that let's call it aliens or at least some form of NHI is visiting Earth. Where I used to feel you were way more cautious about saying that what caused you to move in this direction.

not as much. But I would say in the last five even a little more than that five years, I thought, I have read a lot, I have studied a lot about this, And I thought, if I've been studying this for now about thirty years, and I still am I going to pretend that I don't have an opinion, I don't. I don't want to speculate on this. What is wrong with speculating. There's nothing wrong with speculating, as long as you try to base your speculations on as much accuracy

and truth as you can. So I thought, let's do that. I wrote a book called The Alien Agendas, which was basically that form of speculation where I just thought, look, I'm not saying that I know this is how it is, but this is how it looks like to me based on the evidence that is meaningful to me. And so I have concluded, at least, let's say provisionally, that there are probably a number of intelligences that are say, checking

us out. I think we're very interesting right now. I think humanity is very interesting at this time in our history. I mean, we're you know, we've gone for thousands, hundreds of thousands, you could see even say millions of years as developing upright, you know, hominins living in a certain way, and only in the last couple of hundred years, it's

really not long we've had technology that's worth anything. That We've had balloons, and then we get railroads, and then we get airplanes, and then we get the electric light bulb, and next thing you know, we're in wireless radio and atomic weapons and computers, and now we're into AI. It's all been very fast. So that to me, I think is certainly enough to get the attention of any observing intelligence.

They're going to know we're about to make a debut, and I think they're looking at us very carefully.

with those. What I learned is that there is a very large cache of declassified United States government documents from the Department of Defense, different military services and so on, that described in great detail in many cases objects that are described as flying saucers hanging out over sensitive installations, triggering alarms of all types, triggering attempts to intercept frequently, and you know, you get to read these reports. They

were classified for many years. There was a declassification after the scandal of Watergate in the nineteen seventies, we had a bit of an opening of the Freedom of Information Act, and for about five years particularly, we were able to get a lot of very very intriguing UFO documents declassified, and all someone has to do is read them. It doesn't prove that aliens are here, but it does prove doesn't hint or suggest. It proves that the US government

has lied about UFOs. So we would tell the public nothing to this. It's all hoaxes, hallucinations, misidentification, etc. And then you read the classified reports and you can see they were thinking nothing of the sort. Once I discovered in the nineties when I was researching this, that there's a disconnect between what we were being told and what the national security community was actually thinking about this, I felt, well, I'd like to get to the bottom. Did they ever

stop being interested? Did they ever figure this out? Like what these UFOs were answer no, not that anyone can see. This was never resolved. It was always a problem, it was always a matter of secrecy. To conclude that it's alien is that's a different level of proof than saying there are UFOs. It's one thing to say they're UFOs, it's another to say they're aliens. But one reason I do conclude that it's probably aliens is, you know, beyond the declassified documents, you have just a lot of really

good research. I'm a big fan of the late Leonard Stringfield. He was one of the og UFO researchers from the seventies and eighties, actually even before that, but he started collecting stories and that's what we can call them, from

retired military people, a lot of Air Force. He lived not far from Air Force headquarters, and Stringfield collected well over one hundred testimonies from retired military or sometimes there's spouses talking about alien bodies being studied in secure facilities, or alien craft retrievals from this or that other place.

And I think when you put together or that research, along with other research that people were doing in that period of time, it's actually really strong case that we've got a phenomenon that existed that's not supposed to exist, and there's more than a little bit of evidence or at least reason to think that there are genuine aliens that are behind that phenomenon. So I think it's the best hypothesis. The extra trastrial one, I think is still

the best. That doesn't mean that there aren't other strange things to this phenomenon. People talk about interdimensional aspects and whatnot, and all of that is potentially true. Seems to me they're coming from somewhere else, and that somewhere else is probably another world somewhere in this universe.

ultimately where this power lies. Yes, but I don't think there's any question that standard military personnel have been involved in these retrievals, because we have a lot of testimony from retired military people to exactly that effect that described, whether it's to Leonard Stringfield or any other researcher, how on one occasion they were tasked with performing security detail

or retrieval detail or this type of thing. So it seems to me that when I say regular military, that's not probably accurate for me to put it that way, but some kind of standard military operation frequently can retrieve this. But you know, the way that whole system works is that you could be a in the army, but you or your colleague might be part of a classified program that they're just not telling anyone about. So once once the secrecy is deep, so once once a craft has recovered.

What it seems to me that we have the activity of private corporations becoming involved. So what it looks like in conjunction with military people. I don't know exactly how the legal structure of this works like, but it does seem that you've got private corporations that are custodians, let's say, or at least in charge of managing the technology of

these these craft. So there's a lot of legal a lot of legal information that we still want to get as in terms of who's in control of the technology or and or bodies and how does this all work. I think a lot of it has been privatized to some extent.

our government coming. If someone does have this secret knowledge in these technologies, I don't see any upside to them letting that information out. However, recently I have heard from more and more individuals besides Steve Bassett, of course, who now claimed that they feel like there will be some form of disclosure in fact coming and it seems to be within the next two years. And that includes doctor Greer, Danny Sheehan, I think Jeremy Corbel and George Nap have

said something to that effect as well. Where do you set on that possibility.

they're in a dynamic situation, a dynamic world. Things are changing. I think of the old phrase the irresistible force versus the immovable object, and the secrecy is the immovable object and it always will be. But there is an increasingly irresistible force to disclosure. And this is really going to be interesting to see how this plays out. One very well connected person used the phrase toothpaste out of the tube with me. One time, and I've never forgotten it.

He say, Yep, it's just more toothpaste out of the tube. And it's true, like, once some of this information is out, it's it doesn't go back in. So we're at a place now within our public discourse where certain things are being acknowledged that we're never acknowledged before. But we are still in a place that we're still having real basic, bare bones, low level conversation. It's just starting to creep

up there. I mean, publicly speaking, we're still we're still not in a confirmation about UAP or UFOs or ET. I mean, we're not anywhere near that. I just watch some news coverage of annapolinea Luna, who's going to be leading a task force in the next few months in Congress on UFOs USOS. We're told also JFK RFK, Martin Luther King, I'm like completely on board with that. That's wonderful.

But I've listened to a lot of media commentary that's just vicious and going after these conspiracy mongering people and so forth. So we're really not at a place even now where you know, a lot of folks in the UFO community think, oh yeah, it's it's all out there. We're all having this open conversation. Yeah, more than before, but there is still a very intransit obstinate establishment that is still not giving anything away here. So where is

this going to lead. We've had a lot of disclosure up till now, where we now know that the US government had a UFO program called ATIP. We now know the US government and the Navy have procedures for reporting UFOs. Ten years ago, that would have been incredible. We would

have thought that's disclosure. We've heard about exotic materials being studied by the government, by the Army, all of these I would have thought ten plus years ago, these would have been enough to cause a kind of avalanche of disclosure, and it hasn't happened. We have all of this information out there and we're still arguing about what it means. So to me, that just tells me there's a lot

more room, very likely for this argument to continue. You know, Let's just say some insider, a whistleblower, another David Grush comes forward and says I have proof about bodies. Well, unless that person's able to bring out an alien body, it's going to be very tough to get full agreement on this. You can just see how the media will work on it for sure.

But just putting the evidence out there was a really great idea and it was powerful, and you're right, nothing happened.

I personally can't imagine they would care at all. I equate it to us watching an ant farm.

Very intimidating it, just if it were a human being. So you have to make you I hope I'm always like that when I'm with you.

a hive mind. They may not laugh at all of our jokes, and you know, they probably have a life expectancy that's much longer than ours. Do we think that we're just going to be able to get all of those goodies when we join the galactic community, I don't know.

But on the other hand, look, if if that's what they are like, then I would say, we do want to know this, and we want to be able to understand what they're like as best as we can and get over the intimidation and get over that stuff, because if it's the reality, we're going to have to deal with it. So I don't think it's the end of the world. I mean, the story of humanity's quest through science is basically, you know, the dethroning of one myth

after another. We used to think that Earth was the center of the universe, well, okay, it isn't We used to think a lot of things about how special the human race was in this way or that way, And well, you know now that we learn about the consciousness of other creatures on this planet intelligence, well, we're we are intelligent,

but we're not necessarily completely unique. And if we run into an intelligence that's from somewhere else, we will have to probably recognize the fact that we're not operating on their level. So that will be a psychological shock that we'll have to deal with. Eventually. I think we'll learn to deal with that. But I think a really true disclosure would form our society in all kinds of ways that it could be very hard to predict. I tried myself fifteen years ago with a book with a co author.

We tried to plan that out, but it's a I think a genuine opening of this subject would be probably the most revolutionary act I can imagine.

the UFOs in the sky. And I've never been a fan of this UAP designation, but this made sense when you think about it, because it's better to say unidentified anomalist phenomenon because it includes these usos.

I was doing these as video presentations for my website over at Richard Dolan Members and they were popular and I thought, this is actually just fascinating, and I could tell it was a rabbit hole. The next thing I knew. By the summer of twenty twenty two, I was looking for every single database that I could find that had USO cases. I was just hunting through. I went through the National UFO Reporting Center. I was given access to

the Moufon case management system. I was very grateful for that, and the website of the late Carl find who was a very very excellent UFO researcher who focused on water. He had a good website which is not fully up

any longer. But I was able to hunt through those in a lot of other books and magazines and out of print books and all of that, and I ended up sifting through cases and collecting the USO cases that I thought were worthy, and I've got nearly seven hundred of them going back a few hundred years.

I'm Captain Ron. We're talking with mister Richard Dolan about his new book series, A History of USOS. Richard, incredibly, you've uncovered six hundred and seventy two of these USO cases, and these books seem to breathe life into these cases that have sort of been overlooked and may not have had the recognition they deserve, but they very well may be an important piece to the whole puzzle.

Most of those witnesses, I'm sure are no longer alive, but they all, you know, they experienced something incredible, extraordinary, and I just wanted those stories not to be discarded. They and I thought, I don't want that to happen. I want to do my best to write about these in an accurate way, but also in a way that brings them to life. So that was my number one goal. But a lot of other things happen in the course of this project. One was an idea from my wife.

Tracy was one of the best ideas, which was to create a series of categories for each sighting. So initially we thought, well, you know, let's have a nice little like a little ID card for each case. You know, what color was the craft, what was the size of the craft, was it in the water, was it coming out of the water, was it going into the water, was there any effect on witnesses? And all of these

different things that I thought were useful categories. So I did that for every single case, which was a lot of extra work, but it was worth it. And then once that was all put together, I thought, I will put this into a spreadsheet and let's see if we could study the data. All of that was chard.

been true anyway. So part of me didn't want to go down that road. But Carl had a really good point, which was, we still want to know which cases are bulletproof in terms of the evidence, And he was right, And so I did create this five different criteria and I kind of weighted them, and on the basis of that, I had a score from two the minimum to twelve the maximum.

firsthand or second hand? Were there independent investigations done? Sometimes yes, sometimes no, So all of these other factors that went in there, and I just tried to do my best to wait it.

when we obviously did not have that capability. So I'm inclined to think when we see these transmitting cases that it's not from our civilization. A certain number of the cases we're just operating craft was below the water in a very unusual way that was not a submarine, not a weal, this type of thing. And I did include a couple of small, a very small number of cases where the object wasn't necessarily seen interacting with the water,

but it was low over the water. And I would sometimes include that, especially if you're over a big ocean and you're in the middle of the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean and there's a thing hovering ten feet above the water and maybe it's sucking up water. Maybe it's not, but even if it's not, you're out there. If you're the Navy you see a craft hovering ten feet over

the water, I'm probably inclined to include that one. So there were some of those, but most of the cases that I have, the object was either in the water or coming out or entering the water.

I'll just think, I'll just do that. Well, it turns out, up until nineteen sixty seven, a very consistent, slight majority of the cases that I was able to collect occurred during the daytime, although even in that earlier period there was an absolute difference between military and non military encounters. So military encounters were something like two thirds night and civilian counters were something like two thirds in the daytime.

Roughly speaking, after nineteen sixty seven, everything went tonight. It was like flipping a switch. Whereas a slight majority had been in the daytime previously, suddenly it's three quarters or more are happening at night every year, year and year out, and military cases nearly ninety percent since nineteen sixty seven have occurred at night. It's incredible. So to me, that shows adaptability at adaptation by them. For some reason, a behavioral change happened at this time. And I don't really

know if I have the exact reason why. I mean, I can speculate, but that definitely has happened. Says to me that there's an intelligence operating here. They can distinguish between military and non military vessels, first of all, because they behave differently, and they behave differently after the late sixties as opposed to before the late sixties.

out of ten, quite a lot. What's crazy is that military cases that number is doubled, so it's about twenty percent. And if there are some cases where there were reports of missing time in conjunction with these usos or also there were alleged sightings of alien beings in those instances missing time or beings. Electromagnetic interference isn't twice as common, it's four times as common. Wow, four times is likely.

I don't think that's by accident. That's not something that I would have been able to predict beforehand going into the data. But it's absolutely in that data. And by the way, I'll just point out I made it's a huge spreadsheet. I don't even know if it's a good spreadsheet, but it's thirty seven pages. It's PDF, but it's easy to read. It's freely available. Anyone can download. It's like me showing my homework to the teacher. I want anyone

to be able to see it. It's a free download at my website richital and members dot com.

the South China Sea in nineteen twelve? How do I do that? How do I write south China Sea in there? So I used all these acronyms.

We are talking about his new series of books on USO's Richard, you were just talking about the spreadsheet and the different facts you have in there. You know, another interesting point that I caught out of this was that there seems to be cases that are in very isolated areas and then cases that are in very busy areas. That's kind of surprising as well. Huh.

weather conditions there. But then there's there are sightings in some of the major choke points, the Strait of Malacca, which is one of the major shipping roots of all of the entire world, or the Red Sea you know, which leads to the Siouxez Canal, or the Mediterranean Sea, many many areas in there. So they're in major shipping lanes, and they are in the most remote regions of the planet. No, yeah,

I mean mind blowing stuff. I'll mention the first case that got me into this, if you don't mind, It was nineteen forty five at the end of World War two, and this was one that researchers kind of knew a little bit about. In the summer of nineteen forty five, the US was still at war with Japan. The Germans had surrendered, but the Japanese were still fighting, and there was a US transport ship coming back from the far

East to Seattle. It's coming across the Pacific there along the Aleutian Islands, and they were near a little island and the allusions called Adak Island, really tiny, but we had a military base there for a long time. And so this transport ship called the Dell Roff was coming back and an object, a disc shaped object, was seen

by the crew emerging from the water. This is a very very it's not a place where you'd expect to see anything like this, but it comes out of the water and it circles around the ship utterly silent, two times, and it's exactly shaped like a flying saucer. And it then just took off at a fairly high rate of speed and slashed a couple of lights as it was in the distance, and then it was gone. So one of the witnesses was a man named Robert Crawford. He spoke about this at great length to a great UFO

researcher and then eighteen sixties doctor James McDonald. A lot of people know about him, and I think it's a great case. But there's just so many of these, and they're so consistent.

and Carl is really astute about this. He was trying to understand the effects physical effects of water with these UAP or these UFOs, and he believed it had something to do with the creation of a field, like an ionic or ionization field around the craft. So if the field was on he hypothesized that you wouldn't see the water pouring off, that somehow the field would protect the

craft from the water. So maybe that's it, But definitely it is a feature of some of these cases where people would not see water on the craft at all and it should have.

place where these go. And a typical story will be someone saying, yeah, you know, thirty years ago, I was with my girlfriend at the time and we were out and we saw this thing enter the water or come out of the water or whatever, and they're just writing about it now for the first time. Sometimes those are military cases. You really get the idea that there are many, many more of these stories out there than people are reporting. And I absolutely believe that there is more of this

activity than even I was able to find. Definitely, there's I think there's a lot of options.

They're not even they're beyond fascinating. They are mind blowing in many cases, and I'm just astonished at what these people clearly went through. You know, you could be a hardcore skeptic and say, well, I can't believe this until there's actual provable evidence. Well, what you could say is that there's many cases where the evidence is open and shut and something absolutely happened, and we can maybe argue

over the interpretation, but there's definitely something going on. But I take it a step further when I encounter a heartfelt story from someone who is clearly telling something that here's another example. This is from a later case. This is from the twenty first century, and it will appear in my third volume. I can't remember all the details. Ohio Lake in Ohio, near the border, I think with Kentucky, somewhat elderly couple, I probably around two thousand and five,

two thousand and eight. They're hanging out by themselves. They like to walk by the lake there. So she's writing, she's now a widow, her husband has died, and she just is writing into I think it was a national UFO Reporting center, and she said, look, I just have to tug at this story. My husband and I were out there and we saw this immense object, she says, come out of the water. It was if I had sat on my husband's shoulders, she said, I could have

almost reached up and touched it. And she described the detailed underside of this craft and how immense it was, and just how blown away they were by this, and then it just drifted off. Now I'm reading this woman's account and I could say, well, I haven't been able to measure this in the laboratory, so I'm not going to believe it. But being a reasonable human being, you read these stories. This woman clearly was not making this up.

I'm sure because it's so many others. So yeah, I choose to believe it, and I think she's telling the truth.