Episode 228: How Science is Discovering the Afterlife.

are searching on Google about the afterlife. One of the most requested search terms is does science believe in the afterlife? So today I'll spend a few minutes talking about our fascination with science and why we so much want science to believe in the afterlife. Also, you'll hear from an author who's also a priest and hear his words about scientific evidence for the afterlife. Now, while I was on Google this may or may not make you laugh, I

decided to search Shades of the Afterlife. It's very popular, I'm happy to know, heading up the charts on one of the most popular podcasts on the Afterlife. Then I typed in my own name and here's what's funny. Some of the searches were is sand Champlain married? Is Sandra Champlain single? Which I am single and I'm not married. But my most favorite one is is Sandra Champlain still alive? Yes, you better believe it. I'll probably still find a way

to do Shades of the Afterlife from the other side. Now, let's talk about science. For us afterlife researchers, yourself included, we want scientific proof that there's an afterlife. In fact, many of the naysayers say, well, if science can't prove it, then it can't be real. Sometimes that little ego voice we have says the same thing. When science says something, there's credibility to it. But why as humans do we trust scientists so much that if they say something, well,

it must be true. A definition I found about science is science is the process of building knowledge about the natural world through observation, experimentation, and analysis. The goal of science is to explain and understand the world around us. There are certainly plenty of scientists that believe in the afterlife, as there are plenty of doctors and other professionals. If you've listened long enough to this show, you've heard scientists speak,

including those that have had near death experiences. Plenty of doctors, engineers, nurses, physicists. Even an engineer with a very scientific mind became a medium. So they're out there. But we want that tipping point that everybody believes in the afterlife, don't we. While I was on Google, I decided to search if there were

some real things that science cannot prove. Because I know the afterlife to be real and afterlife communication, as do so many others who study near death experiences, deathbed visitations, terminal lucidity, verritical, near death experiences, electronic voice phenomena, instrumental trans communication, the whole world of mediums induced after death communication. There's tons of reasons to believe, So I thought, are there other things out there that are very real, yet

science can't prove. This may interest you the next time somebody says the afterlife can't be real because science can't prove it. Here's a partial list of things science cannot prove that we know to be real. The first one is consciousness. That's the you listening right now, the one who walks in your shoes, that's self aware, who has thoughts and experiences and memories. Consciousness remains one of the

most profound enigmas for scientists. Despite advances neuroscience, the exact mechanism that transforms our neural signals into our subjective experiences is completely unknown to science. The first principle of philosophy, published by Renee Descartes back in sixteen thirty seven, says, I think, therefore I am. Just because science cannot prove what makes you up or what makes me up doesn't mean we don't exist. That'd be crazy. Here's another one. Dreams.

You and I know we dream at night, right But science cannot prove why we dream, what the functions of them are. They can speculate, but the whole world of dreams is not proven by science. If we dreamed at night exactly the things that happened during the daytime. Perhaps they'd have an explanation. But for our dreams to be very real, meeting people we've never met before, doing things we've never done before, that remains a complete mystery how

our dream processes work. We've heard of dark matter and dark energy. Astrophysicists know it's real in the universe, but it remains a complete mystery. Here's another one science cannot prove is the placebo effect. You've heard of that right when someone takes a pill or a tablet for a symptom, yet someone else only takes a sugar pill a placebo pill, and both people heal. Science cannot figure out why that is. So there's other things that I won't try to explain today,

like quantum entanglement and the origins of life. That obviously we're here, so it's happened we exist, science can't prove it. Interesting. Uh, here's a couple more animal migration. Animals migrate, birds migrate.

We know that the lovely hummingbirds that come to visit my yard every year fly thousands of miles back to where they were born and can find my backyard, and in the late summer, they know exactly the route to take from my home in Rhode Island down to Central America, even if this is their very first time doing it. There's a reason it's called the magic of nature. It's very real. It's magnificent and miraculous, even if science can't explain it. Another mystery, just a cute one. Cats. Have

you ever had a cat on your lap and they purr? Well, we know they do, We've experienced it, but science cannot prove why. So just because science cannot prove something does not mean it isn't real. My goal for this episode, by the way, is for all of us to just not care what science says or does not say about the afterlife. Yesterday I spoke with my good friend, doctor Mark Pittstick from soulproof dot com. He's done so much

investigation into the reality of the afterlife. You've heard from him a few times on this show, working with great organizations like Helpingparents Heal dot org. And he reminded me that there are plenty of organizations of scientific minds that are working on afterlife investigation and communication. Organizations like IONS, the International Association for Near Death Studies IONS, the Institute of Noetic Sciences, the Windbridge Institute, the Bigelow Institute for

Consciousness Studies. Doctor Pittstick works very closely and has written books with doctor Gary Schwartz, and they're co founders of the soulfoone Foundation. Yesterday I started reading a book by doctor Schwartz called The Sacred Promise. How science is discovering spirits collaboration with us in our daily lives.

The Afterlife Experiments, The Sacred Promise, and others. In fact, the description for the book I'm reading The Sacred Promise says, it offers scientific proof of Spirit's existence, be it the deceased, angels or Spirit guides and shows Spirit's willingness and promise to offer guidance and help with the challenges of day to day living. Sacred Promise shows how we can attune ourselves and receive this guidance from spirit, which is all

scientifically documented by doctor Schwartz's experiments and research. See why I'm reading it? Sounds good, doesn't it. In the world of near death experiences, it was just a few months back that science came out with a statement that near death experiences are not part of a dying brain, because it has been proven that consciousness does survive after the

body has flatlined and is clinically dead. These are the people that can float above their body, float into another room, float above a hospital, giving eyewitness account of actual things that are happening. So science is aligned with the afterlife, but just not enough of scientists to have that tipping point occur. One of my favorite quotes from German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer says, all truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third, it

is accepted as being self evident. The best example I have of this is the airplane. Wilbert and Orville write two bicycle mechanics took that first twelve second flight in an airplane. They were laughed at. People actually made a mockery out of them, and look where we are, well over one hundred years later, we all accept airplanes like

they've always been part of our lives. Doctor Schwartz says, Let's imagine that there exists a sacred and infinite intelligence that we can come to increasingly know and live in harmony with its great unfoldment. And let's imagine that expanded science, created and employed by the human mind, has the capacity to reveal all this and more. And Nikola Tesla said, the day science begins to study non physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all

of the previous centuries of its existence. We're going to head off to the break now, and when we come back, you'll hear from father Robert Spitzer. And here his presentation, is there evidence of life after death validated by science. We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.

the Spitzer Center. He has taught courses on faith and reason, metaphysics, Philosophy of God, and philosophy of science to graduate and undergraduate students at Georgetown University, Gonzaga University, Seattle University, and Saint Louis University. He has written several books, including Science at the Doorstep to God, Science, Reason and Faith, Finding True Happiness, and more. And he has produced two television series and received a grant for teaching physics and metaphysics.

He has made multiple media appearances, including Larry King Live, debating Stephen Hawking and Deepak Chobra on God and modern physics. Let's listen to what he has to say.

death experiences, terminal lucidity and intelligence, and hydrocephalic patients. I'm going to concentrate on evidence from good longitudinal studies of near death experiences that have been done by hospitals over at least an eleven year period, at least several hundred to several thousand patients per study, and are published in peer reviewed medical journals that really do look at the

methodology and the safeguards and the responses. The first study is done by the New York Academy of Sciences in twenty twenty two in that journal essentially the New York Academy, and this would be doctor Parnia and his twenty seven

colleagues who are in scientists of various disciplines. Those individuals agreed in a consensus statement about near death experience that concludes to the very credible possibility of your consciousness surviving bodily death, and the outline a series of features that are likely to be part of that, including being around in this world for a while. Either in close proximity to the body or even remote from the body, say outside the hospital or outside the waiting room, or something

of that nature. And also a part two where there is a journey to another worldly domain where deceased relatives and friends are met, etc. The New York Academy of Sciences really has taken a look at multiple different peer reviewed medical studies of near death experiences and has ascertained the very credible possibility of consciousness surviving bodily death. But the second area is a study that was done at the University of South Hampton under the aegist of doctor

Samuel Parnia. It's called the Aware Study, was published in the peer reviewed Journal of Resuscitation twenty and sixty patients in twenty fourteen throughout England and some parts of Europe. A very good study. But the main thing again is it argues to the strong likelihood that consciousness can and does survive bodily death, and in sixty cases in the Aware study that was indisputably so from the data, et cetera. The third study that's excellent as well as doctor Pym

von Lommel and his colleagues there in the Netherlands. It was a two thousand and one to two thousand and three study published in the number one medical journal there in Great Britain, the Lancet. And there are a variety

of other special studies too that are really important. One of them is doctor Kenneth Ring's study of blind people who've had experiences of actually seeing for the first time when they were clinically dead flat EEG fixed and dilated pupils, no gag reflex, some just mere sputterings of nero in the lower brain and they're seeing absolutely acutely, and of course they don't have a single visual image in their

physical brain. It's a very important and persuasive study. Eighty one percent of those blind people, most of whom we're blind from birth, see for the first time when they are clinically dead no electrical activity in the cerebral or frontal cortices. There are other studies. Doctor Janice Holden has done a study of vertical data thirty nine different studies. She's brought them together under the highest standards of accuracy one hundred percent accurate description of the events going on

during the time of brain death clinical death. And she's done that to the point where she thinks that eighty one percent of these people reporting the data are reporting at one hundred percent accurately according to the strictest standards, which means there has to be consciousness and not just consciousness in some minimal sense. There has to be understanding. There has to be recollection. There has to be self consciousness because you're seeing yourself in a relationship to what's

going on. There has to be memory, has to be acute recall, as well, of course as visual capacity and auditory capacity. So when you look at all of these studies that are out there, and then you combine it with the immense archives that have been completed by the University of Virginia's Medical School, the Department of Perceptual Studies there, especially doctor Emily Kelly and doctor Bruce Grayson, you can see pretty much that this is truly an amazing group

of literature. And that's why the New York Academy of Sciences has really pronounced on what would have been considered even ten years ago to be a radical pronouncement that consciousness will be surviving bodily death. Let's take a look at some of the data here, some of the evidence that has been accumulated. First of all, we have vertical data. It has been verified by an independent researcher after the fact. So when you have EEG, you have no electrical activity

in this cribl frontal cortices. If that's really happening, then no electricity. It's like turning off the light switch. Nothing's going to happen. There's not going to be any activity in those lobes, along with the visual and auditory courtices as well. So what happens then at this moment where there's EEG et cetera, a soul body kind of leaves

the physical body. But the soul body can think and recall and remember, has vision, actually has sometimes three hundred and sixty degree all around vision, hearing, emotion, self consciousness, and is not subject to physical laws such as walls. You can pass right through a wall, processes and structures. You can go straight up to the roof if you want, and pass through all the ceilings in between. You're not

subject to gravity, et cetera. In this kind of spiritual or soul body is what it's referred to as the main here is that when this occurs, people claim when they're at that state of flat eeg. Fixed dilated pupils,

et cetera. And when that state occurs, they claim that they can actually see things that are near their body, for example, what's going on in the operating room, or they can see things that are in the waiting room next door, separated by a clear barrier, or even outside the hospital, and even more remote than outside the hospital.

An independent researcher actually determines whether that happened or not according to separate standards that are obviously objective, and then can verify that consciousness was taking place at that place. I'll just give a few examples. In the operating room, I want to pivon Lommos, patients actually just said, well, miss so and so, we lost your dentures, And upon Lommos's patients said, no, you know it was my denture.

The nurse with the red hair took the denture out of my mouth right before they put the paddles on me, and then she opened up a drawer underneath the machine that looked like XYZ threw the dentures in there. If you find the nerves with the red hair, and you find the machine that looks like XYZ, then open the drawer. You'll see and sure enough, there they are. So you get the point again, one girl, Maria, again, she leaves your body. This is remote from the operating room, right,

so her soul body leaves her physical body. She goes zooming outside the hospital and she's hovering up on the third floor there looking back at the hospital from the vanish point of outside looking in. So to make a long story, shirt she says, I'm looking down there and I see this tennis shoe there with a worn left

toe and a shoelace stuck underneath the heel. Just reported it to one of your researchers, and one of doctor Morris's researchers actually crawled out on the ledge and there was the tennis shoe with the Warren left toe and the shoelace underneath the heel, probably had been there for twenty two years from one of the construction workers. Nobody had ever seen it before, but Maria did. So you

get the point. That's pretty clear that consciousness had to be taking place in order for her to identify this. And we have literally thousands of cases now, a verified data of people who are actually one hundred percent accurate in their reports of what's going on. When they're nearly brained dead, there are what's called state of clinical death. Okay, let's just take a look at a second major factor here.

As I said, eighty one percent of blind people, most of whom were blind from birth, see for the first time when they are clinically dead flight eeg. Fixed not only to pupils, et cetera. Remember, he has or she has no visual images in their physical brain, so it would be impossible to loosen the a visual image because there aren't any visual images. It's a very different kind of imagination in a blind person, certainly not colorful and

so forth. So the idea then is that these blind people, I'll give you the example of Bradley Burrows, a sixteen year old boy blind from birth. During his heart attack, he basically goes zooming through hospital walls and he goes right up to the top of the hospital and as he zooms up there, he's looking at a scene of snow out on the ground there, and he knew it was snowing. But when he had his heart attack, of course he was able to see for the first time

what snow looked like. But then as he's out there by the wall of the hospital, he sees a tram passing by with a big, huge sign on the back of it with an arrow pointing to the right. The train is going slowly down this track and finally turns

into a grove of trees off to the right. Now, trams, just like trains, they have schedules down to the second, and of course Bradley's heart attack and then clinical death with the flat EEG can be timed down to the second and right down to the coincidence of those seconds. Literally what Bradley described in his image of the train, the tram going down the tracks and going into the trees, exactly what happened right at that time next to the

hospital as he was describing. So again, hundreds of these cases of blind people seeing for the first time reporting one hundred percent accurately. They don't even have a chance of having a visual image in their brains because they've never seen anything before.

absence of death anxiety. So, in other words, all of us have a subconscious death anxiety. I show you some pictures of sharks of big teeth, or some daggers or blood flowing off of it, or a skullen crossbones or something else. You probably say Okay, death is death, but there's an afterlift, there's a resurrection with Christ I'm doing okay, So it wouldn't bug you consciously, but subconsciously where you

can't control your emotions or you have instinctual drives. When you see all of this data that is very death provoking or fear provoking, blood provoking, danger provoking, all of these things you react to with a modified polygraph. Right, You're going to have a little bit of emotional discharge there which is easily monitored. Well, get this.

can test them again when they're forty years old. They've lost their subconscious death anxiety over which they have no control. This is bizarre, but it happens during near death experiences and no other time, and it lasts throughout the rest

of your life forty fifty years down the pike. Okay, let's also take a look at just two other features that are good evidence during a near death experience, as there are oftentimes two phases, right, So the first phase, you're here on this earth, you're looking around what's going on in the operating room, or like Bradley Burrows, you're outside the hospital, or like Maria, you're outside the hospital looking at the hospital from the outside, looking in, or

you might be in the waiting room. By the way, never say anything bad about anybody in the waiting room who's died, because they can go right through those waiting room doors and hear everything you're saying. And I might point out this has happened in dozens and dozens of cases where people in I went right through the walls into the waiting room and guess what I heard you saying. So be nice. The main thing to look at, though, is there's a second phase to a near death experience.

The second phase goes into an other worldly domain. You are often met by deceased family members, mostly family members, five percent of the time by friends, but most of the time deceased family members. Sixty five percent of those going to the heavenly domain, do have an experience of family members? Fifty percent have the experience of a loving white light that they identify as either God or Christ. Eighteen percent have a visible experience of Christ who looks

like a human being. That's eighteen percent of adults. A lot more children have experiences of a very visible, human figured Christ. A lot of people identify Christ though in this loving white life. Well, let's get down to the relatives. That's the thing that makes for good evidence here when this is really doable with children. So the child might come and say, well, you know, Granddaddy met me when

I was in heaven. And of course the parents will or the researchers will say, well, granddaddy he died twenty years before you were born. How do you know it was granddaddy?

percent of the time. If you put Granddaddy into the photo array in his uniform during World War two or something, and you mix it in with twenty other people, boom, the kid will say, even with the uniform on, that's Granddaddy. They recognize him right from the twenty five to thirty year old picture. Almost one hundred percent of the time dead on.

to the other side. They did see somebody who identified themselves as Granting. They can pick that person right out of a photo array. It's absolutely amazing what they can do. And then when they pick them out, so it turns out that this is what they look like when they were twenty five to thirty years old. Okay, So there's so much evidence that the New York Academy of Sciences has declared the very credible possibility your consciousness is going to survive your bodly death. And I would not just

call it consciousness. It's a soul body. You're not just a disembodied consciousness that survives your physical body's death. There is something akin to a soul body with self consciousness, memory, recall, and emotion and so forth. That's there. It's not attached to the physical body at all. But it's a soul body, and it looks like people look like when they were twenty five to thirty years old. And the kids can nail it almost every time with the picture of that person.

All right, So that's the evidence. I think it's exceedingly strong. And you can see the various stages, right, there's a stage here in this world, stage in another world. The loving white light almost always identified as God or Christ. Okay, let's take a look at whether physicalist explanations will work or not. A physical is basically tries to say this is all explicable with some physical explanatory apparatus. So it's your brain that's hallucinating. It's your brain that's having dreamlets.

It's your brain. When I stimulate the temporal lobes of the brain, it actually produces some lights or some images and so forth, and so on. The pridal lobe is actually good for stimulation of images and so forth. So that must be it. It's a physical explanation. There's really about five things that militate against all of these things.

The first thing is, you'll never explain how eighty one percent of blind people, most of whom are blind from birth, could possibly hallucinate or get a stimulated visual image out of their physical brain. They don't have any You'll never explain blind people hallucinations out of the question. They don't

have the visual imagination for hallucination dreamlets. They're not going to have any dreamlets that look like our visual images because they don't have any of their brains to stimulate when you stimulate the parietal et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So the key thought is blind people, all those hundreds of cases of people reporting one hundred percent accurate data can't be explained about I'd say eighty percent of the

case is let's just Take Bradley Burrows. Forget about the fact that he's blown and lots of non blind people see things outside the hospital. Take Maria. You're just not going to be able to explain what Maria saw. How are you going to hallucinate one hundred percent accurately? What is taking place outside the hospital that nobody is aware of for twenty years and finally is seen by her for the first time and reported because it's called invisible shoe on a third floor ledge outside of a hospital.

How are you going to do this that kind of data, No matter how much you believe in coincidence, The odds of Linda being able to do this is like trying to describe to tap with random tapping of the keys a Shakespeare soliloquy by random typing of the keys in a single try.

right stimulation, parietal low temporal anoxia. Okay, you got some lights, there's no accuracy to it, right, It wasn't a light light, so that doesn't give you an accurate image to describe. So again, hallucinations are notoriously inaccurate, very weird as a matter of fact. More as near death experiences are one hundred percent accurate and near death experiences there's no electrical activity in the brain. Remember flat EEG, fixed and dilated pupils.

No GAG reflects just a few sputterings, neurons and lower brain, so you have no electrical activity in the higher functions of the brain. Well, in order to hallucinate anything, every physicalist explanation must have electrical activity in the brain, because the physical brain is producing the so called llucination. If you don't have any electrical activity in every you can stimulate your paridal lobe all day long, you aren't going to get a vision because there's no electrical activity. Same

thing with dreamless, same thing with physicalist explanations. In all last thing, the fifth thing where you have a real difference between NDEs and physicallest explanations. The NDEs, let's face facts, NDEs are peaceful when people have their heavenly experience about eighty percent of the time and one hundred percent of the time in children. This is a very peaceful explanation. Hallucinations,

dream lens and the stimulation of the parietal lobe. Absolutely the opposite produces very weird and almost sometimes antagonistic moods, very unpeaceful moods. And so, what can we conclude at the end about these physical explanations. What can we conclude about NDEs?

I think we can conclude safely to what the New York Academy of Sciences has said, there is a very credible possibility that not just your consciousness but your soul body will survive the death of your physical body, that there will be a moment where you are aware of everything going on around your worldly surroundings. And maybe in the operating room, could be outside the operating room, in the waiting room, could be outside the hospital, could be

remote from the hospital. But surely something is happening where you are cognizant of these things. And then there's a second part to the whole thing, which of course is moving to a heavenly domain. The deceased relatives and friends, as well as the very loving, exceedingly bright, very loving white light.

two hours before someone dies. Here we're talking about a person who has been fundamentally challenged intellectually write down to almost an IQ less than twenty five I have almost zero capacity from their physical brain, not even able to make animal sounds, or not even able to swallow without devices to help them swallow. So they've been basically disabled intellectually.

So seriously, the debilitation from serious dementia, serious Alzheimer's brain legions, genetic difficulties, and certainly brain trauma, and a variety of other things so debilitated that they can't possibly think with their physical brain, and they have not done so for five years. Now, Suddenly, after five years of never uttering a word, not even an animal sound, this person gets them and goes, hey, Bob, I'm about to die. This is one to two hours before death. I really need

some help with my funeral. Would you say the mass for me? And by the way, could you throw these elements into the hombly there? Could you also call up these three people. I really want to reconcile with them before I die in a couple of hours. By the way, my will it's just incomplete. These doctors are looking at this person who's basically a vegetable. Suddenly, like you and me, they're saying all these things that would require reflective understanding,

memory and consciousness. They're going, who are you? What's happened? And as Rudolph Tansey says, well, it's totally inexplicable. It's amazing, but it happens all the time. He's one of the main researchers over at Harvard University, and there's a lot of like I said, Bruce Grayson over at the University of Virginia Medical School in a variety of other researchers, Michael namm Over in Germany, et cetera, have been writing about this in some detail. The research now is very good,

But how can you explain this? You can only explain it is if this soul body, which I've been trying to describe, it's like a spiritual body that just or leaves the physical body somehow one to two hours before death.

What seems to happen is that this soul body begins to gradually detach from the physical body, and as it gradually detaches, it still has some connection with the central nervous system, obviously the vocal cords, obviously other parts of the lower brain, and it remains there in that state. But it's not the physical brain that's doing the thinking. It's your soul consciousness that's doing the thinking, remembering, reflective, understanding, etc.

During that time, but it's still connected. The soul body is still connected with the physical body. That seems to be the only explanation for how they're able to do this. But what is doing the thinking, it's the same thing that leaves the body in the near death experience, that soul body with its consciousness, self consciousness, emotion, and memory intact. It is the one that is doing the thing. All right, Let's just go to one last thing. Intelligence and hydrocephalic

patients is very important. There are several people who've been involved. The Larber and Lewin studies are particularly significant because Larber did six hundred scans of hydrocephalic patients and made some remarkable discoveries. I've better describe hydrocephalus for just a moment. Hydrocephalus is when spinal fluid begins to go up through the base of the ukranium and starts leaking into the cranial cavity there and it destroys the brain tissue, and

spinal fluid replaces that brain tissue. If you don't stop it with a shunt or something of that nature, it's just going to keep on going until it gets to over ninety five percent of the brain is destroyed and replaced by spinal fluid. We would expect that someone who has less than five percent of their physical brain is not going to be doing much thinking. Their whole cerebral cortex and from all cortex are gone. I'm gonna be doing a lot of thinking. So this guy Laurber, of course,

in Germany. He writes this study up that he has six hundred scans and he finds that thirty of those people who've been scanned it verified. They have less than five percent of their brain, ninety five percent of their cranyum is filled with spinal fluid. They have a global IQ over one hundred. How is this possible? In fact, laurber was so stunned he basically called his article, is your physical brain really necessary? And the answer is not really?

And so this is the idea. Now. One of them that Lauriber loved to describe was a mathematics student that he knew. And this kid had a one twenty seven global IQ, but he had a verbal IQ of something like one forty five or one forty seven or something like that. Anyway, it was a very high verbal IQ. And he had less than one millimeter of brain between the ventricles in the cortical tissue, one millimeter of brain tissue, and he's got a genius level IQ. She has almost

no brain and he's got a genius level IQ. Lawberd just said, that's it. All I can tell you is something else is doing the thinking. And that's right. The same soul body that we saw in terminlucidity the same soul body that leaves the physical body during the near death experience, for which we have excellent vertical data and excellent data from the blind people, etc. This's the same thing. My final comment to you is you are not simply

a physical body. No one after the New York Academy of Sciences pronouncement, no one should be thinking that they are reducible to molecules and atoms. Yes, you've got a lot of molecules and atoms, and yes there are overlapping functions between what's going on in the soul consciousness and what's going on in the physical brain. Yes, they're overlapping

memory functions and so forth. However, at the same time must tell you that the soul consciousness and the soul body are not dependent on the physical consciousness of the physical brain and of course the physical body. So at the end of the day, what I can clearly tell you, and what I believe to be reasonable and responsible based on scientific evidence, is that you do have a consciousness

and a soul body that will survive bodily death. That the after life looks very much like Jesus Christ described it. If you have a heavenly experience. It is loving, and so I think it's reasonable and responsible to believe that you will have a life after death. The point of course is I think there's good scientific validation for it.

I think you are a trans material being, that you have a trans physical soul, and for all intents and purposes, if you continue to investigate this more fully other kinds of things like the shroud of Turin, et cetera, well, I can assure you you will see similar correlations between not just science and God, but science and Christianity, the Christian life, the resurrection of Jesus, and even miraculous hosts that reveal living tissue growing out of a consecrated post,

and the whole Euchrist. So it's out there. I have two books which I recommend to you, Science at the Doorstep to God published by Agnesious Press, that deals with the God, life after death, the near death, experienced studies, cosmological evidence for God, etc. And then there's another one called Christ Science and Reason that's got all the scientific evidence for Jesus, for the Shroud of Turin, eucharistic miracles, Marian miracles, particularly looking at the miracle of the Sun

at Fatima, some of the absolute remarkable healings at Words, and of course the remarkable tilm of our Lady of God Lupe. I have a friend who basically he was crossing the street one day and somebody just said look out and yanked him back, and car came careening down the street and he looked back and there was no one there. I have a friend who literally went two lures to get a cure, and she had a terrible edema in her legs, swollen twice the size, and she

had to wear her husband's shoes. Her feet were two to three times the size they once worked. So she goes to the lords. She gets the water poured on her, and she's coming out and nothing happened to her. So she stops outside for a second, and she pulls out her old pills to keep the edema managed and so forth. A person just says, hey, you're gonna believe or not believe, and she thinks to herself for a minute. She throws out the pills and starts walking, and the edema starts disappearing.

Literally much show that she's flopping around in her husband's shoes. Over the course of two three minutes, well, thanks so very much for your kind attention. Keep looking at the science and keep looking at the faith, and you will find out why the vast majority of scientists are believers in God. Today, fifty one percent of scientists declare themselves believers in God or a higher transcendent power. Only twenty one percent are agnostic, twenty percent are atheist, eight percent

don't want to respond. And then you have among young scientists, sixty six percent the supermajority claim to be believers in God, only fifteen percent agnostic, fifteen percent atheist. Seventy six percent of medical doctors are believers in God. Only twelve point five percent our agnostic, eleven point two percent are atheists. This is just a tip of the iceberg. Have fun because science and faith are very recomplimentary and mutually corroborative.

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