Ep. 2449 - Why Did We Think Iran Would Keep Their Word?

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Israel and Israeli citizens and Israeli soldiers many, many times. Same thing on Thursday. And then on Thursday, the Iranians reportedly pulled out of negotiations in Switzerland on the next step.

All of which was predictable, because Iran is run by lying terrorist thugs. We'll get into all the latest in the non-deal Iran deal. Plus Barack Obama's star-studded library opening and Tom Hanks dumps on MS Now. This is the Ben Shapiro Show.

On Thursday, the next day, five terrorists from Hezbollah approached the Israeli forward defense line in Lebanon. Also, Hezbollah launched five explosive drones. That same day, four Israeli troops were incinerated by one of those explosive drones.

So Israel then retaliated by striking a bunch of targets in southern Lebanon, because that's what happens when terrorists attack you, whether you're American or Israeli or anyone. You retaliate and you kill them and you kill the people who are behind them.

That is obviously what the United States would do if Mexico fired at American troops. Hell, president said that that's what we would do if Iran killed American troops in the Middle East. Here was the president, yeah, just a couple of weeks ago.

Vice President Vance is no longer traveling to Switzerland for US Iran negotiations today with talks postponed. Iran has asked for guarantees that hostilities in Lebanon will end before it resumes the talks, a diplomat told CNN.

Iranians have asked for guarantees that hostilities in Lebanon will end as outlined in the signed agreement, the diplomat said, adding that mediators are currently working to resolve the issue. The source described the planned talks as now temporarily postponed following Israeli strikes in Lebanon. Without saying when meteors expected some sort of resumption. So again, the goal here was that Iran wanted the US to tie Israel's hands as part of the deal.

And Israel, as any nation would, declined to have its hands tied against terrorism because again, no country worth its salt in its right man in its right mind would stop killing terrorists, targeting its homeland and its soldiers. Not America, not Israel, not anyone. So Now it's being reported that the U.S. has brokered some sort of ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel. Maybe the talks will be put back on. Maybe they won't.

The hokey pokey is happening, but herein lies the point. This deal was never a deal. It was always from the very beginning vaporware. See here's the thing about deals. When you make a durable deal, it always involves two elements. First, a partner on the other side who is credible in their commitments, right? This has to be true for any contract. If you sign a contract with anyone, the person on the other side is bound.

by a wide variety of provisions in any agreement to keep to its commitment. There has to be an incentive structure and, of course, you have to be able to trust the person on the other side of the table will actually keep their commitments. Second, there has to be a meeting of the mind. That is an agreement on the terms. That is basic contract law. If you and I sign a contract that I am going to buy a house at an agreed upon price,

And I think the agreed upon price is ten dollars and you think the agreed upon price is ten million dollars. We do not have an agreement on terms. We do not have a meeting of the minds. We do not have a deal or a contract. Again. Both of those things have to be present in order for a deal to be durable. One, a credible partner on the other side of the table who will keep their commitment. And two, a meeting of the mind, actual agreement on the terms of the contract.

This deal has neither of those elements, and it never did have either of those elements. Iran, lest we forget, is run by terrorist jihadists. And also, there was no agreement on the actual terms. Now again, there's a reason why President Trump signed. He signed very obviously to open the Strait of Hormuz. And that was the reason the oil prices would dive, the economy would go up.

Now, the reality, I said before, if we wanted to quote unquote open the strait and leave it in the hands of the Iranians, we could have just walked away. We didn't have to sign a damn thing. We could have made no commitments, kept the sanctions on, and just walked away. And then Iran would toll the straits or whatever. But instead, we are pretending that the strait is open. And it's not. It is run by the Iranians. We are keeping our commitments. We stopped the blockade.

Right, CENTCOM announced yesterday that US forces lifted the blockade on all maritime traffic, entering and exiting Iranian ports and coastal areas, in accordance with the president's direction. Okay, but um the Iranians, well, it turns out that they are just openly saying that they control the strait now. It's not open, it is not equally accessible by all parties.

They are openly saying that they control the strait in perpetuity. Today, the Persian Gulf Authority, which is Iran, said this: quote, With regard to the signing of the Islamabad Memorandum of Understanding and the issuance of directives by the competent authorities, applicants wishing to transit the Strait of Hormuz are hereby informed that within the timeframe specified in the memorandum of understanding,

The transit of vessels that submit their transit requests to the Persian Gulf Waterway Management in compliance with the following points will be processed expeditiously. So in other words, you have to submit your papers to the Iranians. And then maybe they will approve them. During the sixty day period, say the Iranians, no fees will be levied on vessels.

And the tariffs for security, safety, and environmental service, as well as the relevant Iranian insurance, shall be borne entirely by the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Now left unmentioned is that beyond the sixty days that's not true. And here's the deal they can close it now, they can close it at any time.

I mean, hell, the IRGC Navy literally put out a broadcast today in the strait saying that they were going to shut down the strait. Then later they backed off of it. They said they weren't gonna do it. But here is what they broadcast. This is a translation, quote.

Since Israel with Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon and the complete lifting of the naval blockade and the withdrawal of American terrorist forces from the Persian Gulf in the region are among the main conditions of the agreement between Iran and the United States, the Strait of Hormuz will remain closed until these two conditions are met. All ships are ordered not to approach the Strait of Hormuz for their own safety and health. Any vessel that defies this order will be targeted.

So, in other words, Iran still controls the strait. And again, this is a weird move. It is a weird move because let's just say that Iran keeps its commitment for the next sixty days not to toll the straits. And they keep it open. Why in the world would you essentially give them an economic nuclear weapon in perpetuity? Let's say that we get one I know I know the president is trying to lower the gas prices until after the election. I get it.

If the Iranians don't like President Trump, which they don't, and if the Iranians would like the Democrats to win, which presumably they would, why would they not wait until one week before the election and just close the strait again? I mean they could just do that at literally any time. So again, I understand why the president signed, I understand the incentive structure here.

But I think what's more important here is why Iran signed. In just one second, we'll get into the question of why Iran signed this deal. There's one pretty good smart reason why they did.

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Why did Iran sign? Well, I mean, they get a few things, aside from the fact that the MOU actually guarantees them some obvious immediate benefits, including that America will stop attacking them and that we will remove the blockade and allow them to ship their oil sanctions free. There's something bigger that's going on here.

The goal of the Iranian government was to get America to sign on the dotted line. That is a major win for them. Why? Well, because they are master negotiators and they know one thing. Everyone who signs an international deal at least in democracies, has what's called sunk cost fallacy. Sunk cost fallacy is something that afflicts all human beings. And you have to fight your way through it.

Some cost fallacy is the idea. Let's say you buy uh a fixer of a house and you dump$100,000 into fixing the house, and you know it's gonna cost you another three hundred thousand dollars, and then it's a money loser. You're only gonna be able to sell the house for two hundred thousand dollars. Many people will go ahead

And continue to sink the money into the house because they'll say, Hey, I already spent a hundred, I may as well spend three hundred more to get to the completion of the project. That's sunk cost fallacy that you've already put yourself out there for a thing, so you may as well quote unquote go all the way. In other words, once you say and feel that you like a thing, people feel a necessity to keep defending the thing. So, this means that Iran wanted to get America's name on the paper.

In the belief that America will keep defending the crappy deal no matter what. Which again would mean inherently, as we said before, defending the terms of the deal and also Iran as a credible negotiating partner. Now, this is the biggest problem. Iran is run by thug terrorists who have murdered thousands of Americans and, in the last few months alone, tens of thousands of Iranians.

They lie like they breathe. Obviously, they have violated every deal they have ever signed. They are not trustworthy. They are terror supporters. But now we obviously have a stake in pretending that they are credible. Now, here's the thing. They're openly dunking on us. They know this. We're pretending that they're reasonable and rational partners on the other side of the table, and they're just dunking on us.

Senior IRGC officer Mosin Razahi said, quote, The proud and triumphant nation of Iran brought the devils of the world to their knees and shattered their dominance. This epoch will endure eternally in history. We mourn over the blood of our martyr leader, and there is no balm for this wound save vengeance. United as one behind the supreme leader of the revolution, we await the fulfillment of the conditions. Meanwhile, the guy whose name is on the other side of the agreement, Mohammed Khalabaf,

who again is the leader of the Iranian Parliament and a murderer, says quote, We are at your command. The task assigned by us to the Supreme Leader is to pursue the realization of the conditions and clauses of the agreement.

In the event of bad faith, breach of contract, and excessive demands by the opposing side, we have no hesitation in delivering a crushing response to the enemy. They were once slapped during the war. If they wish to tread that path again, they will receive an even harder slap. So again, does that sound like a a wonderful, awesome partner?

Is that is that what that sounds like to you? Meanwhile, the United States is out there talking about how wonderful and rational these people are. President Trump, yesterday at the G7, was talking about how, you know, the Iranians are great.

And that brings us back to Lebanon and what's been going on over the course of the last forty-eight hours. So if you recall, the MOU, which we've gone through in detail, literally point one of the deal reads, quote, The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the Kuroat War declare upon signing this memorandum of understanding.

An immediate and permanent cessation of military activity on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake not to initiate further war or any military action against each other, to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other, and to ensure the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon.

That there would be an immediate and permanent cessation of military activity on all fronts, including in Lebanon. Lebanon is a state. Hezbollah is not the state of Lebanon. Therefore, in the American read, this does not prevent anti terror action in Lebanon. It prevents action against the Lebanese government. In Iran's read, this is supposed to prevent Israel from defending itself from Hezbollah.

And now, we would be a little crazy to try to stop Israel from protecting itself from Hezbollah. Again, Hezbollah is not only a terrorist group, it is a terrorist group responsible for the murder of hundreds of Americans.

They killed two hundred forty one Marines in Beirut in nineteen eighty three. They killed another nineteen US Airmen in Saudi in nineteen ninety six in the Khobar Towers bombing. They've been responsible for the collapse of the Lebanese state and continuous terror attacks on northern Israel for decades at this point. Literally every single day.

Iran says literally point one of the agreement, point one, the first point is that we, the United States, must stop Israel from defending itself, which is kind of a big gap, right? I mean that's a big gap. And everybody just glossed over it to get to a deal. So what does that mean? It means the US, in an attempt to make it work, is now basically kind of trying to play it both ways. We'll say, sure, Israel has the right to defend itself, but not too hard, because then the Iranians might get mad.

Now the easiest way to accomplish this uncomfortable goal is to just lie. And say that really, you're in favor of Israel uh Israeli self defense, like Israel can defend itself against terrorists. But the problem is they're brutal and vicious, they're so mean. Maybe the Syrians should do it, the Syrian terrorist army. That's what the vice president has been doing over the course of the last couple of days. Here's what he had to say at his Weisshouse presser yesterday.

Or would the Mexican drug cartels be destroyed immediately? Also, it is not true that Israel destroyed an entire building and killed civilians. This is the actual video of the Beirut bombing. As you can see, it hit a specific apartment, and according to Hezbollah, it killed only members of Hezbollah. Okay, so again, in order to make the claim that really, really, really, Israel is allowed to defend itself, but not too hard because they get they get too crazy. That's the that's the shte.

We are now basically attempting to draw middle ground where none exists, because we believe, as Americans, that our allies should be able to defend themselves from Iranian-backed terrorists. And Iran believes that we, as America, should stop our allies from defending themselves against Iranian-backed terrorists. So you know, President Trump

He's trying to, again, tell the Israelis not to defend themselves too much, because if they defend themselves too much, then it might kill the deal. He was on with Mark Caputo at Axios, and he says that the Israelis basically will do whatever he says. Yeah.

And this notion that America is going to tell them that they can't protect themselves in Lebanon, I I don't see the purpose of it. Instead, what we have is a sort of bizarre game in which the United States pretends there's a cycle of violence that just has to stop.

Rather than Israeli self-defense, that again, there are allies. They were flying sorties with us this whole war. It was it was Israeli intelligence that led to the targeting of Ayatollah Khameini. It was Israeli intelligence, by the way, that helped with rescuing American pilots, our pilots.

Okay, but but the game is that because there was no actual agreement on the terms in the first place, we're going to manipulate the agreement into some sort of bizarre agreement that we never had with them. And that is basically a non starter. Okay, and Iran knows this. Iran knows this. Their entire goal is to push Hezbollah to kill Israelis, get the Israelis to respond, and then push the United States to blame Israel for being disproportionate so that Iran won't walk out of the deal.

And again, that's a great deal for Iran, because if Israel were to listen and stop attacking Hezbollah, Hezbollah could up the ante. Take back territory, reset up its terror bases, threaten Israel again, which Israel can't allow. And if Israel doesn't allow it, then Iran hopes the United States will turn on Israel in order to protect a deal that doesn't really exist. Again, the Iranians are really good at this. They're very smart. And then if and when the deal falls apart.

Which again is extremely likely because the the chances the MOU ever turns into the framework for a permanent deal are slim to none. Given the fact that Iran and the United States don't agree on the basic deal points in the MOU. Again, the United States says that the IAEA is gonna be present to down blend Iranian nuclear weaponry.

And nuclear materials. And the Iranian government is itself saying they will not work with the IAEA. So th there's there's really not even agreement on the basic terms of the deal. But if and when the thing falls apart, then presumably the people who promote the deal the hardest.

We'll blame Israel for everything falling apart. And that is pretty much what Vice President Vance was doing yesterday. We'll get to more on this in a moment. First, every American enjoys the freedom to speak our minds, to worship, start a business, raise a family. Pursue the American dream. Those freedoms were passed down to us by generations of Americans who are willing to serve and sacrifice on behalf of the country.

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In a much ballyhood moment, the VP was doing a presser at the White House, and he launched into a very, very strong attack on members of the Israeli government. Here's what he had to say.

And the second message I would give to some of those cabinet members, BB, to his credit, has not gone down this path, but to some of these cabinet members in Israel who are attacking the President of the United States, the other thing that I would say is that over the last three months

Saudi was letting Israel use airspace, whether they say so or not, during the last war. So it's not true. As far as the arg uh when he says that members of the Israeli cabinet have been attacking the president personally, that's also false. He cannot name a single member of the Israeli cabinet who attacked the president personally. They might not like the deal and that's their prerogative. But they didn't attack the president personally.

What Vice President Vance is saying with regard to Israel being grateful for American ordinance shooting things down, I mean, I can tell you that the Israelis are, of course, extraordinarily grateful for that. And the fact is that the United States military and the Israeli military worked hand in glove during this entire war. Israel was flying the vast majority of the sorties over Iran and providing a huge percentage of the intelligence with regard to that. The deal will either work or it won't.

Okay, wasn't up to me. I didn't think that the deal was good. I still don't think that the deal is good, but I'm not the decision maker. The president is the decision maker, and the vice president helped him make that decision and negotiated that deal. So either the deal will work or it won't. If it works, then the president and JD Vance will get all the credit.

And if it fails, then the president and JD Vance will get all the blame because that's how politics works. But again, the sort of preemptive blame shifting, which is really what's going on here, is um, I would say unfortunate and I think politically short sighted in the extreme. J.D. Vance is suggesting that he isn't trusting the Iranians, you see. It's it's isn't it worth trying? Isn't peace worth giving a chance?

Unless it turns out that there's not a great chance. And that instead what's going to happen here, in all likelihood, is that sunk cost fallacy that the Iranians are seeking. An American administration that keeps defending a bad deal as it gets worse and worse. That essentially Iran looks at the vice president as Darth Vader once looked at Lando Calrizian and says, the deal has changed.

And the vice president says this deal keeps getting worse all the time. Yes, that's the way this turns into a problem. The problem is not people in America who are unenthusiastic about a a bad MOU or the Israelis defending themselves or the Israelis who are unhappy with the MOU. They're not the decision makers.

The problem is when you negotiate with a terrorist regime, they lie to you. If that terrorist regime is responsible for the death of thousands of Americans, they might be lying. I mean, right now they're openly lying to our face. And when you gloss over the main terms of the deal to pretend to get to a deal that is not likely to go well. So we'll see where it goes from here.

Now, maybe the rabbit gets pulled out of the hat, or maybe this goes precisely the way I think most people who have studied the Middle East for any period of time think that it is likely to go. Alrighty, coming up, the Italian Prime Minister is mad at President Trump, plus Barack Obama is back, and worse than ever. We'll get to all of that in a moment. First, people spend a lot of time talking about bringing manufacturing back to the United States.

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He said that she was, quote, probably happy I spoke to her. I didn't have to, and unquote, she wanted a picture with me so badly. I wouldn't have taken it, but I felt sorry for her. Well, Georgia Maloney then returned fire and she said this was totally made up.

She released a video on social media saying, Italy and I never beg She added she was stunned by the president's remarks and that even though this is not happening for the first time, it's a pity Trump does not show the same determination against the enemies of the West, which is a little pointed from the Italian prime minister.

Again, it it seems as though um you know the irritation of even erstwhile allies like George Maloney uh may be growing. And meanwhile, the left continues to be as unhinged as humanly possible and disconnected from reality as humanly possible. So

Yesterday, former President Barack Obama opened his monstrosity of a library. And this thing looks like a trash bin. I mean, it actually looks like a trash bin. I don't mean that there's like trash everywhere. I mean it's nice and clean and also looks like a trash bin. It is a hideous structure that rises from the area around the lake in Chicago. And um it it kind of looks

like the transporter that the the the the gigantic machine used by the Jawas in episode four of Star Wars. And that I I think that that is that is probably the best the the best analogy. Well, President Obama showed up. President Trump did not. And basically the entire opening was a subtweet of President Trump, obviously.

This meant that Barack and Michelle were on the publicity tour. And Barack Obama announced that his next chapter is fun. Aren't you excited? It's fun. And Michelle's next chapter is me, which I I thought her last chapter was me, and the one before that, and pretty much all the chapters, actually.

As I've said before, the the disappointment of Barack Obama as a politician and a human being is that in two thousand eight he ran as the great unifier, and by two thousand twelve he was running as the great disunifier. He was running as a man who divided Americans based on race, based on sexual orientation. based on political acumen. And then he would and then he would proclaim that only if you were good, true, and decent

And maybe victimized. Could you join in the Project of America? Now he is back to I'm a unifier. Donald Trump is the divider. Listening to this unbelievably divisive politician. He was just subtle about it, but he was good at it. President Trump is not a uniter. He obviously is quite divisive. But he also says all the quiet parts out loud. Barack Obama's entire shtick for years.

Was that he would pretend that he was trying to unify while saying some of the most divisive stuff in American history? Here he was yesterday.

His campaign pushed out propaganda about Mitt Romney forcibly cutting the hair of gay kids when he was a teenager and strapping a dog to the top of his car. His vice president went out there proclaiming that Mitt Romney wanted to reenslave black people. Listening to Barack Obama talk about divisiveness and how he wants to stop it, it's like O.J. Simpson's book, If I Did It. You did it, dude. He continued along these lines.

You know, directed at George W. Bush incorrectly. I think that that many of the ways people talk about the war in Iraq are are rather disgusting, actually. And and what George W. Bush did during that war. With that said, these sort of were all in solidarity. The the the Bush is acting as though they were chummy with the Obamas while the Obamas divided the country.

It it was hard to stomach, for sure. And the fact that Donald Trump really didn't do that, I think it was sort of a breath of fresh air in that sense.

Now, what is Barack Obama really seeking? He's seeking complexity around the American narrative. You know, complexity. By complexity, he means America kind of sucks mostly. And uh and if you slap an American flag on top of the America sucks message, then that's complexity.

Uh there were populists uh i in in rural America and south uh the South and and White America that really did believe in equality and justice. You know, uh for white folks and and help to make progress in giving more people opportunity and not ignore the fact that That was to the exclusion of others. And and that's the kind of of complexity that I I hope people get a little bit of a sense of.

Now, if he had not spent years dividing Americans on the basis of race, if he had not spent years weakening America on foreign policy in dramatic ways, if he had not spent years pretending at moderation while acting as a radical, that would have helped a lot. It's just it's it's pretty stomach churning to listen to a figure as divisive as uh divisive as Barack Obama was, pretending that he was actually some sort of great unifier.

Then Michelle Obama, by the way, spoke, and of course used the opportunity to talk about immigration and such.

smear a bunch of radicalism in the language of moderation. Michelle's much worse at it than Barack. Barack is great at it. Michelle is pretty mediocre at it. But you know, a good time was had by Al Kamala showed up to dance, which is everyone's worst nightmare. That's always that's always irritating.

that we've been missing. And we didn't realize how much we've been missing it. And we've been missing it because of the business and this. We've been missing it because um we have people that frankly are unworthy of their positions. And there we saw on stage people that were worthy uh of what our founding fathers lived and died for.

Like it was it was pretty wild that for a couple of years there, we had to pretend everything was going great for for old Joe. Here's what it looked like. You had to feel bad from at this point, honestly.

The reality is that the Democratic Party he built is Zor Mamdani's Democratic Party. The difference between Zor Mamdani and Barack Obama is that Mamdani says all of the quiet parts out loud. So he took advantage of a parade for the New York Knicks.

To talk about his radical policies. I assume that his radical policies will include the public seizure of the New York Knicks and the reduction of all of the New York Knicks salaries to the average minimum wage in New York. And we'll see how that works out for the Knicks. But here's Mamdani talking about it's a moment for more. Again, Mamdani and Obama the same.

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All right. All right, on to the culture. So Tom Hanks was pretty funny. He was talking on MS Now and uh and he just dropped the bomb that no one watches MS Now, which is true.

Only if black players go? And w w what I I I I don't even understand the the point of what she is saying right now.

He said one week ago we were eating chilies in Chattanooga. Today we're talking to the ISS. This is the American Dream. Thanks for letting three random World Cup tourists from Germany live it for a few days. USA rocks. Yeah, it really does, doesn't it? It's kind of awesome. Also So they they actually like just talk to the ISS, which is hilarious. And then in Houston.

They were put up at a hotel suite, like the best hotel suite, and they were given all of these magical gifts because America is very generous. He said, This is also insane. We found this when we got back to our room. And then someone even said cupcakes to our room. I genuinely don't understand how it got to this point. We're just normal World Cup tourists

Which is hilarious and enjoyable. They got Houston Rockets tickets. They went to an Astros game. They really enjoyed themselves. And the suite they're in, by the way, is insane. So thanks for appreciating America. Yeah, it's great. And the people who don't appreciate it suck. Okay. Now one other kind of sport clip has gone viral over the course of the last week. That is a clip of Japanese fans cleaning up the stadium after after a recent game. Here's what it looked like.

There are no public trash cans. You're supposed to carry around your trash until you can get back to a place where you dump it. So you're supposed to clean up after yourself everywhere. And Japan runs a little different. It's very, very interesting. Different cultures produce sort of different effects.

Well, joining me on the line is Matt Nuclear, our newest Daily Wire personality, host of The Nuclear Reactions, Monday through Thursday, seven to nine PM Eastern, where he debates TikTokers for that entire time. He brings people on and they basically get to debate him on whatever they want. Matt, thanks so much for the time.

a lot of uh conflicts in in terms of foreign policy to make sure I'm up to date, that I'm very well read, um, so that I'm always prepared to debate these callers. And typically I'm more informed than they are because they're just calling in, you know, it depends obviously, whether or not they're like specifically going out for me, but

from all walks of life come in and they're like, Okay, like why do you believe DEI is bad? Why do you believe affirmative action is bad? Why do you believe that Um, you know, socialism is bad. Why are you for a strong border? Why are you for uh, you know, free market policies? And so they come in and I give them my sort of perspective on it. And those are the topics that are are pretty hot as well. But the main hot one that people really get.

uh, you know, th thrilled for or excited about is the topic about Israel and and the Middle East.

a conversation. And it's really exciting because you have the TikTok chat that's going crazy and they're spamming their emojis and they're like, Yes, this is great, this is amazing and you have the YouTube chat and the X chat and, you know

on multiple different social medias, I'm basically streaming. And what's more, you know, interesting about it is that with with TikTok it's kind of rapid fire. People are scrolling through just like, you know, people nowadays, Gen Z especially, is always Doom scrolling. And they'll come across alive and they'll see the prompts above and they're like, let me get into this. Right. So it depends on really the collar. But yeah, ten average I would say is seven minutes, maybe.

Do the research basically together and I show everyone in the audience a real time. Actually, last night we did the same thing, although a collar basically made the claim that.

you know, um, many like Israeli soldiers were were being exposed by the UN for like raping Palestinians or whatever. And the article that he brought up actually said the exact opposite. The article that he brought up actually said that on October seventh, the UN special representative in reference to sexual violence actually said that Israeli hostages were actually

um, you know, facing uh sexual violence and be subjected to by Hamas. And so in real time, he actually admitted, hey man, I was wrong. You know, I appreciate you educating me on this, but everyone got to see that in real time. So yeah, I I do indeed um pop these things up. Even if I know it, I wanna show everyone on screen and I wanna source it so people can inform themselves as well.

But the audience, I think, really gets a good grasp at it. I I do convince a lot of people. I I've had people come up that I've called in angry before and and they were like, How dare you believe these things? But the more they actually listen to me and I'm like, I don't know why you're listening to me if you hate me this much, but the more they listen to me. you know, they actually start changing their views. And I had this one guy call in later on

um after, you know, he used to call in uh debating me and he was like, dude, you've actually changed my mind. Like watching more of these debates, watching these people that are trying to debate you, that are not able to actually prove you wrong on any of the facts, but are really operating from emotionalism, right? And only operating from buzzwords and phrases they've heard online.

has actually swayed me, right, to sort of align with your position. And so I've had plenty of people actually tell me that they've been convinced, because a lot of people just haven't actually heard The opposite side just really debate this in real time and really articulate their position. And not like a straw man position, but the actual rational, honest position.

looking something up, they will read the headline of the article and they don't understand how like yellow j journalism works or how, you know, uh publishers will try to get the most enticing, interesting headline because the details are actually very, very important. And so

I would say most young people are consuming uh information through TikTok and through just scrolling. And so they will see certain you know, random uh things being posted by Al Jazeera, random things being posted by CNN and it's just like they're quickly scrolling, they're seeing maybe uh a bombing happening somewhere and they don't really know the context or the history or any of the things that go behind any of those

uh different factors and they're just consuming information from that purely. So it's just headlines, it's just TikTok scrolling. But it's very rare that I see a lot of other people my age, unfortunately, um, actually read some books about certain topics and conflicts that they are so

passionate about, especially the people that are doing the encampments at Ivy League Universities. And so that's sort of the the issue that is that people are sort of very quickly consuming information by just doom scrolling instead of actually getting engaged with the actual content.