Wet Hot American Summer with Allison Raskin

like I feel like we should go home there. Okay, so this is our podcast about the portrayal of women in movies. We use the Beck Delf test as a jumping off point to start a larger discussion about the portrayal of women in movies. Jamie, let's pass the Bechdel test by explaining what the Bechtel test is. Okay, so you went some crazy paradox. What you can't describe what the Bechtel test is without breaking the right because you have to say, man, I also just said Bechtel test wrong.

I didn't even notice there. Let's let's try this, Hey, Jamie, Hi, can you explain to me what the Bechtel test is please not without breaking it. It's like fight club in that way, or maybe it isn't that. I don't know. The first rule of the Bechtel test is that you cannot talk about the test, the Bechtel test. And that's why this is the last episode of our podcast because we realized we've been breaking the first rule of the Bechdel test. We just never talk about it. I thought

this was fun. Well, I think that passed the Bechdel test. It did. Wow. Okay, so we're good. So now we can actually explain what it is, which is, thank god, we can talk about men again. Thank God is getting very stressed out. So if you if you don't know already, the Bechtel test is a test applied to fiction. Old media requires that a movie, let's say, has two female identifying characters in it. They have to have names, they have to speak to each other, and their conversation has

to be about anything besides a man. We just did that, Yes, we did. We just did that. But then because I just said, man, that's what fun. Where you break it? Yeah, it's tricky. It's a paradox, it really is. Anyhow, So we're here with a guest to talk about wild summer flick. She is the creator and star of Gossip, which is a scripted comedic soap opera podcast fun Alison Ruskin, Hi, Hi, thanks for being here. Thank you so much for having me anytime. So we're talking about what hot American summer

love it? Yeah, that's true. I had never seen this movie really before. I've never seen I've rarely seen any movies. Yeah, I've never seen it before. I'd heard a lot about it. Honestly, based on a poster and knowing who's in the cast and knowing the year it came out, I assumed it was going to do way less well than I think it actually does. Like it seems like you hear like was this came out about two Yeah? You hear? Okay,

a two thousand one summer comedy. I don't think this is going to be a progressive piece of work in any way. Like I don't think anything that came out that year is like whoa, this is well? Like, um, are you forgetting about Shrek? I was about to say Shrek, Caitlin, do we know what month this came out? Because Shrek came out in July and was there of course, the last bit of innocence we had as a country with Shrek. Of course, with Shrek in this year. But anyways, you know,

Shrek is obviously a feminist text. But most movies I would say that came out in the in the early Bush administration through literally today are are not progressive text. Raunchy summer comedy is generally not good to women. That's what I meant for sure. Yes, by the way, this movie came out in July. Oh wow, this was up against Trek at the box this movie was Yeah, nobody saw this movie's story wise, Shrek one, money wise, Shrek continues to win. Yeah, this movie what had American summer.

It was a critical and box office failure, huge flop, but it has since developed a cult following and has gotten its own TV show, a couple of different variations of it because they've done the First Day of Camp Netflix series and then the ten year Reunion. Right, I think I only saw the first Day of Camp one. I think same. Yeah, So what's your history with the movie. My history with this movie is like, I know that I love it, but I don't ever remember anything about it.

You know what, you know those movies where you're like that's a good time, but like the specifics of it allude you, Like you know that at one point they go into town and get so high like past that I'm like, it's a bunch of funny people. Well, it's probably because there's no cohesive story that really unfolds, so

it's hard to remember what it's about. It's just a bunch of little, like micro stories, which is like, yeah, that's just like the weird thing about any like ensemble cast is you're like, okay, so a bunch of small things will happen and eventually the movie will end, right, Yeah, that's what will happen. I feel like a good ensemble movie though you do have the right like the normal arc. But it's because it's David Wayne, right, So it's he's he's not looking to do the normal thing now. He's

such an avant garde different artist. So yeah, I saw this movie for the first time in college, I want to say, probably around like two thousand five, and I really enjoyed it. I thought it was really funny and really silly. You know, it's just a silly, vaguely satirical. I don't even know quite how to classify this movie. In terms of it's like approach to what it's about, and I feel like it's like making a big nostalgia appeal, like that's most of it is, like the era. But

I also felt pressured to like it did. Like I feel like it's like weird if someone says they don't like this movie. Sure, yeah, Like it's like you're especially it feel like the comedy community. I think where some of his other movies, I feel like I can be like that made no sense at all, But like, what are other movies he'd made? Oh? Man, he made this

one with m Paul Rudd and Jennifer Anderson. That was like one of the worst things I've ever seen where he went they went to that cult and Justin Thureau was in it. Oh I don't I don't know. Was that called wander Loss? Yes? Yes, oh yes. He I think directed a movie called The Ten, which I think I'm maybe the only person who saw that and the only person who liked it. What was it about? It's based on the Ten Commandments and it's like all these little videos he did. Why did't you see The Ten?

I don't know, but I it really resonated with me in a way that I can't explain. And um, people who had seen it, who saw me like online saying that I enjoyed it, they're like, Caitlin, what the freak is wrong with you? As far as to publicly state that you like you didn't keep that to yourself. I stand out for the t look please tweet at me. It's really your thoughts on the it's not you're the only one who saw it. But it's like similarly like silly and goofy, like Wet Hot American Summer, but it's

certainly not a good movie. Well anyways, so so yeah, I enjoyed Wet Hot American Summer, the film the artistic masterpiece that it is, of course, and uh yeah, I thought it was really silly and funny, and I liked that it's pretty much just like a goofy movie that is not taking it. I'm sorry, seriously, it's a goofy movie. It's that's a different thing. But is it an is it an Extremely? Is that the sequel? Because that's another yeah,

which is one of my favorite. I think that all Sea Celery and extremely and then Extremely went Hot Americans and Extreme Oh, I have extreme doubts, right, I think we've talked about this before because I can't stop saying an extremely doubtful movie. Sorry good So yeah, so this movie. You know, it's silly, and I enjoy it. I argue it has more heart than other movies that go this crazy. Like I think that like with Coop, like we're like tracking him and his love for Katie. There is like

an emotional there's a center to this. Some of the characters do care, and that's unusual for this type of broad comedy. That's true mostly. I mean, I love Niles his uh David David H God, God, I love him so much. He was one of my major childhood crushes. WAS loved Niles so much. I'd stamp every night to watch Frasier and I had a crush on Frasier, but I knew he was so unattainable and so in your fantasy world, you had to settle for Niles. Yes, I was just like Daphne. I had to settle for Niles.

There was I was like Fraser. I would be so scared to talk to him. Niles would approach me, we would get along great. We would have a marriage of convenience for years. I just oh God, I love Niles and he and David hid Peers is so great. No one sees much of his work outside of Niles, so I've seen him on Broadway. And the thing about The Detective no Um, it was like a movie. I don't know that wasn't a movie. Was definitely not a movie. It was I can't remember what it was, but he

was very good in it. Yeah, he's the absolute best at the end. Well, speaking of not being able to pass the Bechdel test, alright, it's quite all right. Shall I do a recap of the story of What Hot American Summer? Good Luck? Thank you? Can I can I recap the Can? I just read off the list of names in this movie, because it is it is pretty significant in terms of like most people were either famous or became famous, and I don't think they were famous

at the time. I think it's Bradley Cooper's first movie. It is Bradley Cooper's first movie. It's like Amy Poehler is not quite it's people on the CUSP at this time. So Janine Garofalo, who was famous already, David Hyde, Pierce already, Niles, Molly Shannon I think had already been on SNL. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah, Paul Red we knew him from Clueless. Because for Maloney, I don't know who that is. Michael Maloney's from Lawn Order, but I don't know if

oh yeah, he's the she's the chef. Okay, chef in Law and Order, the famous at the show about a chef that Selve crimes. I guarantee that has been pitched. Michael Showalter and Michael ian Black from the State, Ken Marino, Amy Poeler, Bradley Cooper, Elizabeth Banks early role for her, Joe lo Trulio, Judah Friedlander, and um h John Benjamin as Can of Vegetables. Lots of names, big names, all star casts. If you're white, I was like, is every

white person? Yes? Okay. So the loose narrative that this movie follows is that it's the last day of camp at Camp Firewood, which is a I think like Jewish summer camp in Maine, in Maine. I think in the set somewhere in the eighties, an eighties baby myself. I I'm very good at recognizing the eighties. Um So, so you listed the big ensemble cast. We follow different characters around. Each of them has like a little story arc where like Coope has a crush on this girl named Katie.

They're both counselors at this camp um, but she's dating Andy played by Paul rudd Us. I feel like we should point out that they're all clearly adults, sixteen year old for sure, So that's a large part of the humor. Yeah, it's like when Katie's like, I'm sixteen, I think I

literally yelled at my television, no you're not. But the movie is like self aware enough that it knows that that's a big There's another scene where they're like making a plan to do their like ten year reunion at some point, and they're like, we're all going to be in our late twenties by then, and it's like, you guys are already thirty five. It's a joke. It's hilarious.

So we've got Coope, Michael shell Walter is crushing on Katie, who I think that's one of the few people in the movie who didn't go on to more like mainstream success. She's done stuff. I've definitely been a big fan of hers for years because she's so beautiful. She like started this like really like fun dramay where she played his teacher who slept with her high schools, didn't. I think I was the only person who watched that show. And I can't remember the name. Cool. Yeah, but she's been

and stuff, Yeah, but I think not recently. She was also in the O G. Mighty Ducks cast. Whoa we're saying she is one of the Mighty Ducks kids. I guess, yeah, he's a teen. She was a teen when Mighty Ducks came up. I gotta we gotta read what we gotta do an episode on the Mighty Ducks. Worth looking. She's plays Connie Morrow and three Mighty Ducks movies. There you go, good for her. So, so we've got Coope, he's crushing on Katie. She's dating Andy, who feels very suffocated by

her existing in the world. Um, then we've got a character named Victor. That's Ken Marino. He's trying to get with this girl named Abby. But the camp director, Beth played by Janine Garofalo, was like, you got to take these kids out rafting, so sakes. Yeah, but then can Marino does kill some kids and sort of they don't die, they die, they disappear. So no, he's saying one drowned. He saves them. Oh, No, that's Paul Paul Rudd. Definitely,

I kill some kids. Some kids. Yeah, uh, sorry, I didn't mean to throw Ken Marino under the Paul red You're unnoticed. You killed a bunch of kids. Uh. Then we've got Beth, the camp director. She is interested in Henry played by David Hyde Pierce. He is an associate professor of astrophysics. So they're like trying to learn each other's interests and get to know each other. Love them together so great. Another storyline we see is Gayle played

by Molly Shannon. She's like the arts and crafts teacher. She's dealing with a divorce, right, and then she gets close to a very young camper. I love where that storyline. It's so dist At the end of the movie she marries the It's very funny the way they play it. Yeah. And then we've got Susie Amy Poehler and Ben Bradley Cooper are producing, directing, choreographing, choreographing. That's how you say that. A talent show, which is sort of the big event at the end of this day and the end of

the movie. Then we've got also been and McKinley played by Michael Ian Black. They're like developing a romantic relationship. They're gay together, they get married at some point in the movie, and had they have the hottest scene. I've watched it. I think four times. I was like, oh my god, I've never in my life and like, Michael Ian Black is so less a lie. I used to have a crush on him when he was on I love the seventies, but also he's very hot in this movie.

It's what I was like, crazy. I mean, I'm sure we'll get to it, but I honestly think that that's one of the most progressive scenes from that time that I've seen. Yeah, absolutely agree. I feel like that whole scene I was because two thousand one I was waiting for a homophobic joke that didn't come. It was great, but then everyone came in a way because that scene is so hot. I see what you mean, Okay. And then there's a few like kind of more secondary characters

like Jean played by Christopher Maloney. He's like the chef of the camp. He has to learn to accept himself for who he is, which is someone who fondles sweaters, humps his fridge, etcetera. And Journey we've all been on a class. So throughout the day, you know this stuff is happening. Everyone's gearing up for the talent show. There's like a game of Capture the Flag. There's a baseball game that doesn't actually happen. There's like just different little

things to like fill in the time. And then at the end, like kind of there's no conclusion at all.

Coop and Katie. I feel like they're probably the main storyline and the characters we meet first, so you just kind of first yeah, and then like I'd say, it's even with Beth and the oh that's true, or because like the closest we get to like the straight men of the movie would be like Coop and Beth kind of and this and the shot that I guess the movie ends on a shot of the two of them, so yeah, I guess, oh yeah, because he's just been dumped by Katie Katie, which is yeah, and then Beth

goes okay and he's like yeah, and then cut to black cute at the end. It was really cute. So that's the movie. That's the story, if you can call it that. There's okay, I have a quick story that has nothing to do with anything. Uh, there's a girl in the little Science club that Niles creates in the movie, a woman in STEM, A woman and a young woman in STEM. She's I think she's like fourteen or something. She's like one of the actual campers. And she wears a Cure t shirt and I guess she goes by

Cure Girl. That's the name of her character. And I a year and a half ago, I would always have this picture of this particular actress sent to me in a very specific episode of Law and Order where at her. So I reached out to her. I was like, because she still lives here, she's still working at dress. I was like, do you want to hang out and see if we still look alike? And so we we've hung on a couple different times, and we don't look at anything like, Wait, you hung out with someone just because

people thought you looked alike? Yes? So I mean, did I did for the photo or just because you thought you'd have stuff in common? I don't know, I will I just like I never get dopple, Like I never no one ever tells me I look like anybody. And then it was like this girl who in the Law and Order episode she's in, she's twelve years old, and they're like, this looks like you today, and that's true. I've seen the photo that I can. We'll we'll put

up the photo. It does look exactly like me. It's like a kid who's committed a cyber crime on Law and Order. I was like, you always do as I'm a hacker and so I do a lot of cyber crime. It makes sense our vibes are similar, but it is. It's like a screenshot where I every time this syndicated episode come on, I get it from like ten different people because it's and it's all of like my aunts are like, did you get a job? I'm like, no,

a child got a job twenty years ago. Thanks so much. Anyways, very important question, when you hung out, did you call it a dopple hang I'm not sorry for that, and because I know you're proud of it, just give five. She didn't turn I earned it. Anyways, Let's take a quick break and then we'll be back for some hot, spicy discussion discourse. We'll be right back and we're back. It's us again. We'll post that photo of Jamie's dopple gang or who she does dopple hang out with? And okay,

I like to better. The second time, I think so much. I was more confident in my delivery that time. Yeah, confidence is key, Thank you so much. We'll post it to our Instagram and you be the judge Bechtel Heads, Bectel Heads. Yeah. So yeah, this movie, I mean it's like a parody satire thing, but not like a very

extremely mart one. It's an extremely good movie. So it's kind of hard to take anything at face value with this movie because it's just so silly and it doesn't really have any sort of agenda except to like just be as silly as possible. I think so. But that said, I mean I think that there's there's there's stuff for us to talk about. Yeah, let's start with Beth. Sure. Beth is planned by Janine Garfflo. She is the head of the camper, a woman in charge business owner, female business.

She isn't charge and I mean I like her character a lot. Yeah, she's she seems to be generally respected, like even if they're not doing what she's telling them to,

they still respect. Like she's not like a monster and she's not like a control freak or you know, she assiciates a gay wedding like there people like her, right, because a lot of times you see like a woman in her position in media, she's like depicted as like a shrew, like a devil wears product, Like, oh my god, what a horrible bitch, what a heinous I feel like, especially because it's like a like an eighties movie like send Up, that would be like a very easy choice

for the movie to have made, and they don't or like that she's completely incompetent that too. Yeah, she's like but she's like right down the middle of like great but not like to like attainable, you know, like I really I like her character. Yeah, it's like she runs the camp offficiently, clearly cares enough about it that David Hyde Pierce has to purchase a book or like already get a book about running a camp to press her. So it's like she cares about her job, but she

also gets all her teenage cams counsels high. She's officiating weddings right and laughed. It's there's a lot she's really she doesn't. She approaches that kid and I don't remember that character's name, but it's like the kid who hasn't made any friends, and he's like speaks in a robot voice, and she's like, isn't that also Michael Showalter or is that a different no? That he right? Oh, I don't know. I really didn't want that show. I don't know. I'm

so sorry, Michael show Walter. Does m see the Talent Show as a different characters like that corny like stand up comic maybe laughs so much? That was they just they love I'm so old. I Ate wrapped her eggs for breakfast. It's like it's so good. Um, But she like, yeah, she cares enough to like she approaches that kid, She's like, it seems like you haven't made that many friends, and like, you know, what can I do to help? And she's like,

why don't you do something in the Talent Show? Meanwhile, like Amy Poler is like, no, it has to be perfect. And then I feel like he's a very important character because he like conjures up the wind because it like blows the like space equipment away. I don't again, because we haven't even touched on them. We have anyone told

anybody about that whole plot. I forgot about that. It's crazy that you can just drop out that plot and have the movie still sort of makes sense just the Doom's day of a satellite hitting the camp, pausing everyone to die, right, So David Hyde Hyde Pierce's character Henry figures out that there's like this piece of space equipment like hurling towards them, so they like build this machine to calibrate exactly where it's going to land because and

then they figure out that it's gonna land right on the building that the talent show is in, so like, how can we use this machine to like deviate its course? So then they do that, But it also might have been like the wind that the kid at the end like conjures up who this movie is, Chrisy Like also you're like you buy it immediately, of course, like within five minutes. You're like, literally, anything could happen in this movie,

and I'd be like, sure, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the relationship between Beth and his name is Henry and I'm gonna keep saying Niles, I'm sorry, but the relationship between Beth and Niles is really I don't know. I mean, it's like there are definitely some trophy parts about it, but I feel like almost every trope is commented on in some way to the point where I was basically satisfied with how they treated, Like in the first scene where she approached him first and she's like, Hi,

I'm Beth. I run the Campo a lot. And then there's that great line read where she's like asking him like, oh, I'd love for you to like to to the kids, and he's like, oh, no, I kid and then she's like, oh, but it would be great if you did. He's like, no, I don't want to. And then she's like, but if you He's like I said no, And that's the greatest scene I've ever seen. But you know, she's like pretty

proactive in like pursuing that relationship. She does get a makeover at one point sort of, and then she swoops her hair to one side and that's basically all that happens, right, And I'm like, how have you ever tried that? I mean, that will change your life? She did, you know, ensnare

her one true love? After she did that, and then I was like, oh, I almost thought it was going in the direction of like, oh, the woman needs to learn everything about the male character in order to impress him, but then he does the same thing, so I was like, oh, it's actually kind yeah, like that relationship, and then I

don't know, I liked it a lot. Yeah, and then there's like that funny like a comment on the trope at the end where they're like, we've been trying to get pregnant and it hasn't been working even though they've known each other for like less than twenty four hours. So it's a hilarious joke. And then marries a kid, right, so good. Yeah, So that relationship, I mean, I feel like there's really not that much to say about it.

I thought it was very sweet and funny. Yeah, it's a rare example, I would say, of a romantic relationship in a movie where the male character isn't like stalking her, trying to trick her vera or vice versa. Yeah, they're just like they see each other from afar. They seem interested in each other, so they very respectfully just like meet, you know, respectful, you know, said a relative term, but

within the rules of this world. And that's exactly they figure out what each of the other person is interested in. They go and do research on that so that they have more things to talk about. And yeah, she does lie at first, and it's like I know all about astrophysics, but then she goes out and learns all about that one day. I love how this movie operates it within time. That's my favorite in the movie, because she's like, oh no, I don't actually anything about astrophysics, How can I get

out of this convo? And she's like, um, what time is it? And then he looks up at the sky. So great, what a great joke. Um. But yeah, So it's like in so many movies we see like a man lying to a woman, manipulating her for the sake of like a romantic pursuit or like stalking her, and that's supposed to be romantic, like all this stuff. So this movie doesn't subscribe to any of those very problematic things. And I guess so like points for that, but yeah

it is. I didn't give it that much thought when I was watching it, but yeah, it's like actually a pretty well handled like budding of a romantic relationship. Yeah. I mean, I also think that, like the movie is about sex and love, you know, that's like what the majority of the characters want and desire and so like in the sense that like, for the most part, women are talking about men like the men are talking about women. I think that's okay though them, and that's like what

the movie is about. But then I think that they handled those relationships well right for being a movie about that stuff, right, because you know what movie like that that doesn't handle it well at all? Is love actually worse ensemble? That's a hot take. I think I haven't looked at it with my with my new eyes. Well give the Love actually episode. We did listen, and it is don't ruin the movie? It is, Yeah, it is. If you want to continue to enjoy that movie, you

can never watch it again. That's really the only way you can continue to love it. No, I'm already just thinking about moments of that movie and I'm like, oh no, the whole the most famous scene is scary, that with with the que cards and the horrible Yeah. Can I jump ahead to Katie please? Well? I think that so Katie is the one that Coop likes, and she's she's like the popular girl whose boyfriend Paul Rudd is like

constantly cheating on her with Elizabeth Banks. And I think that we expect her to end up with Coope and to be like, oh, I eat, this guy is an asshole.

I should be here with this nice guy who's like always been there for me and like it's obsessed with me, and that sort of plays into like the nice guys deserve the pretty girls, but instead she's like I just want to fuck and you're not who I want to do that with, and my boyfriend is and I'm sorry there, but there is like there, there's a moment where for a second, for one scene, you think that she is going to end up with she like rushes out of the Talent Show and she's like, I love, You're gonna

be with you, bah bah and he so you get that moment that like feels disappointing of like really like he's really gonna that doesn't make any sense, and you get that kiss, and then it's like the next scene where she's like I don't wanna fuck you, blah blah blah. And then she also calls out because the whole time

I don't know. I was like, how does she not know that Paul Read is cheating on her because a child literally drowned while he was cheating on her blatantly doing it, But she says, I mean, she's like, I know he cheats on me all the time. I don't care. I want to suck him as much as I can because I'm quote unquote seventeen. I mean in a way,

isn't that so empowering? I thought it was great. We never see women say that, right, This is the thing, is like cheating is this thing that I think is in a lot of relationships going away because people are just in open relationships. So like if you put that lens on their relationship, then they're just in an open relationship and like who cares, you know what I mean, she doesn't care about cheating, then that's basically what it is. Then it's not I mean it's not it is still

cheating because he's lying to her about it. But like they could have easily just been in an open relationship and she would down. Yeah, so very progressive. Yeah, yeah, it's rare that you see a woman who's just like so sexually empowered that she's like, I don't really care what the circumstances are. I just want to fuck because she's not like hurt by him cheating, right, Like, she doesn't care. She doesn't care. Even she's like, I know,

my boyfriend's pretty lame, but like he's extremely high. So arguably she's like a little superficial, but like but like she's open about it. The only thing that I thought that that was like that was definitely and that's within

this world that makes sense. But her character at the beginning, I think part of the reason that that end, her ending is so like impactful and kind of like whoa, I didn't see that coming is because she doesn't act that way for a lot of the movie, where at the beginning of the movie, we see her ask for

more attention from Paul Red's character sick not sex. No, there's a there's a scene where she literally says like, uh oh, I don't know if I read an the exact quote, but there's a scene where she's just like, why don't you like pay more? She's asking him for more emotion, She's asking him, and then she basically says like I feel you're like you're paying attention to other people and not me, And so you don't get the vibe from her of like all she wants to do

is fuck. But then in the journey of this twenty four hours, at the end she's like, Okay, no, now I understand what he's At the beginning, I feel like we're supposed to think she has no idea he's cheating on her, so it is kind of like a change.

Although I would say if you rewatch the movie knowing how like horny she is at the end and like how much she just wants to have sex, if you look at her character and like what she says through that lens by rewatching the movie, she's always like, come on, like when are we going to hang out and like go off and like hang out together. So you could kind of read it as like when can we go off and have sex sort of thing, So it's not

it's certainly not explicit until the very end. Yeah, she's like, I just want to spend time with you, and then he says fuck you. So Paul Rud's character, that's he's wild because like but he's playing what's very clearly like a kind of aggro toxic masculinity. He's he's bad boy. He's wearing Aviator sunglasses. He's always like, yeah, he doesn't give us she's his girlfriend and kills a child in

the same scene. Like he's that kind of guy, right, But I think that's all played up for humor, and if anything is being commented on in this movie, I think like toxic masculinity in the form of his character is sort of like being commented on or like when I was at camp, like of course you love that guy, and so it like makes you realize what a loser that guy was. And I also think the fact that Paul Red, even though he is eternally young, he's clearly not,

you know, a teenager in that movie. He's like it, well into his thirties. But it is cool to see someone with like a teenager ish swagger, like in the body of a thirty three year old man looks he was thirty three, and Paul Red is born to thirty two. He's born in sixty nine, which is what Paul Red is fort nine years old. Just so everyone knows, there is a Dorrian Gray portrait somewhere rotting away as Paul drinks people's blood and grows more powerful. I'm assuming we

don't know. I think it's a theory. But Paul Red is forty nine years old. He's thirty two years old in this It's it's insane, it's unfair, it's violence against all humans. I also want to talk about Coop's approach to his crush on Katie, because at one point he says something like, you know, I love you, and I love the way you laugh, and I love I don't care that you're bilingual. A bunch like silly stuff, but like he's mostly saying that he appreciates her for her

like personality, her intelligence or sense of humor. But also at the beginning of the movie, they have a very brief conversation and he says, that's the longest I've ever talked to her. So I think that they don't really even know each other. I think he's just saying that stuff because that's like what he thinks, he thinks, but

really he just thinks she's beautiful. Yeah, I think that they're I mean, I feel like Coop is one of the more subtle uses of common terry in a very unsettle movie where he is kind of like set up to be this typical like you know, nice guys finished last but until the end of the movie, and then he gets the girl like you were just saying, Elison, But then he doesn't like he you know, like he

doesn't get what he wants. And I think that that's cool and it calls out that like he barely does know, so like the things he says at the end are kind of empty platitudes. But then also like they do become friends throughout the weird amount of time that the movie takes place, and because there's a few scenes of them alone together, there's like when everyone finds out that like he hasn't you know, like gotten laid, and she is saying, I guess, like she's like, well why not.

You should be sucking as much as possible, and he's like, uh, you know, like sluts Rock, it just has to be the right slut. Like that's very He's very sex positive and not slut sham. So sluts Rock, said feminist icon Coop about, well, then that reminds me of another character, Victor ken Marino's character, where he is like putting on this like persona of like being this like macho stud who fox everyone, and he's like so good at sex, and then he reveals to draw the trilio that he

is a virgin. He's never had sex before, and it was this big shocker for us as him, the guy constantly talking about sex has never had sex. So if again, that might be intentional commentary on sort of you know, toxic masculinity, or it just might be a silly joke. It's kind of hard to tell, but um yeah, I don't know. Like his character is just like so absurd. Although man, I'm just I keep thinking of all the

very funny things that happened this movie. When he's like running back to camp the bail of Hay because he has to like jump over. Oh another scene. This is a different character, but another scene that I love so much is Andy Paul Rod finishing his lunch or something and then like flinging his plate and then Beth is like, what are you doing? Pick that up right now? And he's just like, I'll get it later, and she's like, no, pick that up now. Yeah, And then he respects her

authority because she's a respectful figure. There, let's let's go. There's so many characters. Gail the Molly Shannon character. Yes, this is another character where at first I'm like, uh, this is one of the characters I probably like the least. But then she still has an arc, like they all have tiny arcs that are mostly effective where we're introduced to her and kind of like another trophy character of like the divorced woman who can't get over it, and

she's so she's so divorced, she's handicapped. Yeah, yeah, like she can't even do her job right that she's so upset about her divorce from Judah Freelander, which is like, talk about a twist right to Freelander thinking he could deserve Molly Shannon. But by the end it's like it. First the laughs are coming from the fact that it's like, oh, she's so pathetic, she can't move on, she can't do

her job. But then her students, especially one special guy who she does marry, even though he's a loving like coach her and get her confidence up. And then we she has a moment at the talent show where she stands up for herself. Judah Freelander shows up and he's like, take me back, and she's like, no, I'm with She doesn't even say I'm with him now, which is great. But later we're like, she she do what she was gonna do. She's going to marry that kid, she's already

there's another man's let's try to unpack that. Okay, Okay, never mind, I want that could not have been gender reversed. That would have been it would be having a very different Let me keep that. Okay, So are we say that at least we never see them kiss, because we do see Abby kiss that kid named Moose. At the end, I just say that I don't support older women and children. I'm just saying, like in our society tends to be

more accepted, even though it shouldn't be. Let the let the record that we hear on the Bectel Cast do not support adults in romantic relationships with children. I know that's a hot take, but but we are not for that. Um. But yeah, it's just like I get it, they're doing it for the joke, and it is, but again it's

the older woman and the younger boy. But it's like I feel like, until very very recently, that's always been you as like great job man, for sure, like cool you you've got an older woman, great for you, And like only like like in the last two weeks people like, actually that's not still statutory, right, Yeah, yeah, because you hear stories about like teenage boys having sex with their like teachers, female teachers, and like the idea for a long time and still a lot of people think this

is just like yeah, way, just like good jobs, like this belief that like boys can't be taking advantage of which which doesn't make any sense because when they're taking advantage of by men, everyone understands that that's like not appropriate. Right, let's unpack that out. I mean there's perhaps hyper masculinity is alive and well and what no, I agree with everything that was just said. Let the record show it made me laugh. Um and okay, one one more note

on the Gail character. Inside of that storyline, there were a few like cool lines from whenever the kids are pumping her up, which is not problematic for kids to be supportive of their perhaps suffering teacher. I mean, it is problematic for her to be like, here are my

very personal issues, but it's a movie. But there are female students that are encouraging her as well, like they're like, there's a lot that men do that's inexcusable, and they're basically her like young students are rejecting like hyper masculinity in theory, and she's like, oh, I've never thought of it this way. Maybe Judah Freelander is a loser and blah blah blah. And so I thought that was good.

I don't know why I started anti this storyline, and then for some reason just like violently defended so the youth is the future. That's it's true. All right, we still have four characters to talk about, So let's take a quick break and we'll be back in a second. And we're back, So who do we want to do next. There's a few small quickies. There's Lindsay, the Elizabeth Banks character. Her thing is that she sucks. She's very horny. She's

a woman aggressively going after Andy. Paul Rudd. He is receptive to it, even though oftentimes his girlfriend Katie is right there. Um. But then he decides, so they make out a few times. One of those times a kid does drown on his watch, and then he throws another kid who was like his swimming partner out of a van to like the kid killer nothing. But also those scenes make me laughing. Really, the drowning scene, I was dying. I will say Elizabeth Banks early in her career, and

I think she's so interesting. I really like her, and she like once she and I feel like this is a kind of a common path for female actors almost by nature of how the careers were. Yeah, by by default is what I'm gonna say. She's look out about it later, but early in her career there's a lot of roles like this that she's given over and over and over. I think I mean pretty clearly because she's she's very talented, she's so funny in this movie, but she's not given much to do kind of because of

her body type and because of how she looks. She plays a very similar role that is not commenting on anything in The forty year Old Virgin, just like early in her career Old Virgin, she sucks Steve Carrell for no reason. It's a very frustrating movie to watch her and like it's basically pick up that bar. She's the one who's like wasted, No, that's Leslie Man. She works at like a bookstore. And Seth Rogan, who should be

deported back to Canada. I can't say it enough. Basically, Seth Rogan sends Steve Carrell's character and to be like, hey, she's wearing a thong so you could suck her. And then Steve Carrell goes to her and she's like, who's this hottie? Like it's just the whole scene is insane.

But like Elizabeth Banks's early career is littered with characters like this in a way that makes me like frustrated for her because we know now she's capable of so much more, and it's done a lot of good stuff, and I think that's what Joe herd to produce and to direct and to be more in the creative positions, that she could have those roles that were meteor. So even though she's like good in this movie, we know that she's capable of much more. I was like a

little frustrated. Also the founder of who Ha ha, which is a celebration of women in comedy and like empowerment of women doing comedy stuff, very true. And then the year, I mean this is like the year before, she's like rejected from being given the part of Mary Jane Watson in the first Spider Man movie because she was too old, even though she was the same age as Toby McGuire. So, oh my god, really, yeah, she's she's has a very small part in Spider Man, but the part, I mean,

Toby McGuire was too old to play Spider Man. It was like twenty eight or something, and Elizabeth Banks was twenty eight and they're actually told me the Wuire's Kris and Dunce is seventeen, so she was only seventeen. She was only seventeen in that Movie's just a bunch of upsetting fun facts about So in this movie, I'm like, man, this is the era where Elizabeth Banks is not getting her do right. Yeah, well, um she's shown us though. Yeah wait wait seventeen years and then we see her

full potential, right. Yeah, She's basically only in this story to be seen making out with Paul Red a few times and to have barbecue sauce all over her face. That was fun, that was fun. But her talents are under utilized in that character is barely written. Like, yeah, she's kind of I thought for some reason when I before I started rewatching this, I thought that she had a much more like crucial role in the story. And then I was like, oh no, she like hardly does anything.

She's only there to make it. Yeah, Like when we think of the movie with her, we're like, oh, she's going to be the star, gonna have a big role. No one uses Elizabeth Banks in a meaningful way until like two thousand and eight. It's crazy. Yeah. Anyways, shall we talk about Susie Amy Poehler's character. Yeah, she, I think is the only female character whose storyline does not deal with a romantic relationship to a man. Yeah, yeah, so that was interesting. She's all about making the talent

show the best it can possibly be. Peak theater kid, I can't remember. So, so she's working closely with Ben played by Bradley Cooper, and I can't remember which of them is like the she's the producer and he's the

director of choreography or vice versa. I forget who exactly has I think she'd have to be the producer, right, she has such a she's so intense, right, Yeah, So she's working closely with him, and they're both like these like kind of authoritarian like artistic types to be like what this has to be like this, and these kids fucking suck singing and such a travesty, which I find to be very funny because then the kids do fine, really good job and she's like, oh, that's horrible bullshit.

But yes, I enjoyed that there was at least one storyline that doesn't tie her to like a romantic interest, and another character who we see a few different sides of where most of her spoken lines are very uptight, like oh, I'm a theater director. But then she's also heavily featured in the scene where they get so high they almost die and she's like having fun and she's

like she's friends with Katie. Apparently there's like a few different scenes where they're like like you know, friend cuddling or whatever, and so it's like it's also like so supportive of the marriage. Yeah, she's like playing a flute or a recorder. Yeah, she's like super okay with that, and like, so he's got a bunch of stuff going on. We don't see a full life. We don't see that much of her on screen. We're kind of filling the blanks.

But like an Amy Pool is just so good that I feel, yeah, like you feel like you see her more than you actually do, because every time you see her, yeah yeah she I mean she buries Bradley Cooper every time. Sorry Bradley, but can you imagine them now? She would still now, she would still him. That's why they have not appeared on screen. Who else do we have? We have Abby? Abby? Yes, Abby is the another very horny girl. I'm kind of really into how horny all the girls are,

especially because they're not ever like shamed. They're never shamed, and the boys are too, Like I think it's just a commentary on like this time in your life when like your hormones are just like out of control and you're like in this contained space with like very minimal supervision. And then they just turned it to eleven because the movie starts with like a bunk full of like what

do they like eleven year olds? Everyone is just making out under the verse, and then they like sneak out and then there's like the shot of like all the campers from every cabin having to run back to their horny movie at all time. So much horny depth, but like what jew camp is like from what I never went to a Jewish camp. I went to regular camp, but I heard that JUW camp was like I'm Jewish, I can say it was like even more like sexed up than like regular sleepboy camp. Fun and my sleepboy

camp wasn't horny at all. I went to girl Scout camp. Was it horny? Guys? It was unfortunately not that horny. Goddamn it. I want to go to horny camps too late, you know what, I don't think so Abby and Lindsay make out at the end. Yeah, there's a scene between the two of them where how did you get at where did you fall on that? I wasn't sure. I was hardy well that because I'm like, isn't being played for last it kind of? I think it is, Yeah, And I think these are two of the horny's characters

we see, let's put them together and have them. I think the idea is that they're so horny that it doesn't matter who they're kissing. So I don't know if it's even like there like queer characters. It's more that they're just like, these are two such horny people that they'll make out with a kid, they'll make out with a woman, even if they aren't queer, like obviously one that makes that with a kid, right, yes, yeah, okay, so I seed this movie out loud. There is a

lot of problems. So yeah, I think it was played more as a joke and less as although like who knows they might be by they might be you know, pan sexual? Who knows? We simply don't know them very

well exactly. So I think with the context were given about their sexuality, it's not that much because up till then we've only seen them kissing men were literal boys, so that they're there's their sexual preferences aren't really explored enough to know whether or not they're actually queer, which is which that that moment, I was like, Oh, this is kind of a bummer a little bit, because it is kind of being played for last in a movie that otherwise dealt with queerness, I thought, in a way

more mature way than most movies and it's genre would And so I was like, Oh, that's kind of a throwaway joke because I think we're led to believe that they are not queer, and there's nothing in the subtext of the movie that would suggest right otherwise except for that one. Except for that one. But it's a joke, So I didn't like love that. But also I don't know,

I don't know. I guess I'm kind of just like, there's another kind of problematic moment where um, a lot of the counselors are kind of taking off their clothes and like getting into their their like in their bikinis, and they're about to take a dip in the pond or whatever, and I think it's J J. Gary and McKinley is there too, I think, and they're basically just

like watching them. So it's like, but the way it's shot is like very male gaze, where it's like panning up and down there like scantily clad bodies, and like, so I get it if you want to show kind of toxic male characters gazing at women and like make a commentary on how like that's kind of gross because that's what's happening. But also the way it's shot means that we're seeing it through their lens, which is still

the male gaze, and it's still like leaves lingering ways. Yeah, like here's he's so gross, but also you get to see it, dude. Yeah. Yeah, So that's when like McKinley, who has no interest in women, sneaks off and he's like I don't care about what seeing girls in their bikinis, and then we see him go into like the shed and start having sex with Ben. So let's talk about that. We've been waiting so long to talk about that. It's a great scene. Yeah, yeah, it's like steamy and hot.

It's not like for laughs at all. I'd say it's like the most genuine of this, like the makeout scenes, and like, I mean, it's a beautiful moment. Great because a lot of the other sexy moments in the movie are played relax because it's like either characters like shoving gum into their mouth right before they make out, or like a character taking your shirt off for no reason, or like a character's face like covering in barbecue sauce.

So it feels like it was so planned or like it was like a goal versus just like a genuine attraction between two people. And this is just like they have just like incredible chemistry. Straight sexuality as portrayed by this movie is fucking gross, nasty, yeah, and and and it's stinky and it's dirty, and then you see this like incredible sex scene in a shed where you're just like, I, I didn't know, I wanted to see Michael Ian black shirtless. I didn't know, and then I did and know they

never go back. And then and then the way their story lamp plays out, I thought it was like cool to see how many you know, because there are like gay slurs used in this movie, but the characters who use them then witness the wedding and you see that there's a good portion of this camp in that is

so supportive of this setting. We're playing flutes where you know, like the head of the camp is officiating the wedding, and then those characters come around because they change so they use like the homophobic slurs and there it seems like they're grossed out at first, but then and this is all this is that one day and this is played as a joke, but I think the joke works because you think that they're horrified and disgusted by their

same sex relationship. And there's a scene where they, like where j J and Gary go and like confront McKinley and Ben and they're like, hey, McKinley, this is for you. And you think they're gonna like like assault them or something like that, but they buy them like a chaise lounge and they're like, hey, here, we just bought this for you. I hope it matches with your other frontitor whatever. They're like, oh my gosh, it does. Then and then

queer bashing is resolved at this camp forever. So yeah, those like characters that start out being homophobic like very quickly learn their lesson and come around. If only it were that easy. Um, I want to go back to

their sex scene. Though. Queer characters are so underrepresented in media that it's horrible travesty when they are represented, it's usually a horrible misrepresentation, and even if they're represented in a positive light, we usually don't get to see especially men kissing other men and definitely not gay mail sex, like we only it'll maybe like cut off right at

the kiss or like you don't. So even mainstream movies about queer characters in a romantic context, we might if we're lucky, we get to see two men kiss, and even that's rare. You know, I got my fingers crossed. I just want to see kiss, which is true for me. Um, But the fact that you like see it's not a epic sex scene. It's the way that you treat a sex scene between like a straight couple in like a like a PG thirteen movie. You know, like it's like shade.

It's like kind of like a cruel intentions level, like a sex scene where it's like really hot and like when you're a kid and you watch, you're like this is incredible, but then like as an adult, like, oh, I'm not actually seeing anything scandalous, but they created this feeling in this moment that felt very sexual for sure. Yeah, so I just even though it's just like close ups on their socks yea. Even so, like I think it's pretty fascinating, and does this movie handle queer culture super well?

And is it super responsible? I would argue, like, you know, it's it could be worse, it could be better. But the fact that you do see like a same sex male sex scene in this movie, when that almost never happens, and it's and they then get married, Yeah, they're like in love. It's not just like, oh I experimented right right, Yeah, I can't get beautiful. It's it's like really hot and then later it's beautiful. Great, what's a journey that one day? Yeah?

I mean as a straight person, I see scenes like this and I'm like, there's probably something problematic here, but I don't know quite what it is because I'm like seeing it through the lens of a straight lady. But if any listeners have additional thoughts on this scene, please let us know, yes, yes, yes, please, if anyone just wants to talk about it, if anyone just wants to watch the scene with us. We really like the scene that we think it's very hot, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Who else do we have to talk about? We could talk about Gene. I don't know, I mean Gene is

the lunchman. The lunchman there, I mean there, It's It's it's hard with a movie like this because I could say perhaps that they are because he his whole storyline is he when he got back from Vietnam, he was different, and so his whole storyline is a veteran PTSD joke that's worth saying, and how he has multiple personnelity like it plays multiple personality disorder as a jog, that plays PTSD as a jug, It plays being a veteran as

a joke. It portrays veterans that are crazy, but then it's portraying veterans that have mental illness but are also really cool with it, which is not really a realistic

portrayal of anything in the world of the movie. I honestly don't know where to fall on it, but it's worth acknowledging that his whole character is a big PTSD mental illness joke and that has maybe manifested into like some interesting kink things that he is now into fondling sweaters and having Dick cook cream and so yeah, the way that whole thing is handled hallucination is in the form of a stron Benjamin. I would argue that that character is real and a camper at the camp. I

think that can of vegetables is I think. I think our vegetable listeners are cans of vegetable listeners, of which we have many. Sorry if I made you not feel seen, right, I think, Um, they're real and we need to respect them as they are. My deepest apologies. It's okay. Um, yeah, I think that we touched on every There's one other named female character of the adults, and there might be some like of the campers the kids, but um, they

so rarely play into the story that yeah, the character right. Um, there's Nancy, the nurse. She works at the infirmary. The big moment that she she has a few moments. She like basically has to remind several adults what a library is and how do you use it? I forgot about that. And she goes up to Beth whenever Beth is saying that she's going to go into town, and Nancy says, if you're going into town, can you pick me up something at the drug store. My husband's coming today and

I need some lube for my pussy. Uh does that seem pass the bacto test? We'll find out, but stay tuned. Yea. So she is also extremely horny and sexual. So another example of a sexually liberated progressive gal in the movie. And I guess she's meant to be older if she has a husband, because I feel like some of the characters are like some are older. Gail, Yeah, Gail, who is like married and divorced, and Nancy must be so they're not like the counselors who are like, you know,

these sixteen year old kids. But um, yeah, I mean there's hardly anything to say about her aside from the fact that she is very horny and wants to have sex with her husband. Everyone in this movie is very horny. An equal opportunity you know, provider. Yeah, yeah, I mean I support that. Literally every person in this movie can of vegetables is horny for someone. He said something. He sucks his own dick, So there's like, I do it. This is the dumbest movie, but so fun, so much fun.

Does anyone have any other thoughts about the representation of women in White Hot American Summer? I think pretty good. Well, let's talk about whether or not this movie passes the backtel test. By everything I could tell for sure, it does a lot of different times. Yes, I don't know, so by our standard, we just need a two line exchange. So it's a low bar for us. Uh And yet so many movies don't bother to even try. But there's a scene um in like the arts and crafts classroom

between Gail and then Valerie is named um. Valerie is like, hey, we could draw with some markers and carols like listen, Valerie, I need you to be helpful here. I do not need you to undermine me, and felleries like but there's only one crayon, like we could color with these hundreds of colored markers, and then Gail starts sobbing. But does that count because there are there are male campers in the scene? Um, right, for the way that we do it, our interpretation of it, it does. Okay, I played by

your rules. And the first time I had it counting was there's like a very dumb exchange between Beth and Nancy where like Beth says, like, we got through another summer except for a couple of kids who became lepers, and then Nancy says, good one. Beth, You're like, yeah, that's technically fast unless the campers who are now lepers

were all boys. We don't. Uh. Then there's that scene between Beth and Katie that is the text of it is, yeah, Katie, you're hot, right, But that's about seducing a man, right, that one I in the subtext it's it's tricky, I don't know this one. Ann is never mentioned until the very end of that conversation, which this conversation maybe like a minute or too long. So it's Katie's like, you dog, you have a crush on someone, and she's like, I do have a crash. I just don't think he's interested.

But up until that part of the conversation, a man is not mentioned. But you're right the whole but we know why she's asked. The subtext of that conversation is so that she can be more physically appealing to a man. So I would say that does not pass for that reason. Um, and let's say that that context isn't there, and they're just talking about, like how do I be more hot to feel better about myself? They are talking about clothes. Pants. Pants get brought up a lot. It's like, what is

this the sisterhood of the Traveling Pants? Um, unbelievable reference. You're welcome, and yeah, they talked about like clothes and hair and like, you know, stereotypically feminine things. Um so still not great even if it did. There's another Beth and Nancy passing moment where Beth that's Nancy what? And again it is the subtext would be she's getting something

to impress David. I'd pierce on paper. She asked Nancy where she would find a book and Nancy tells her a library, right, and then she's just like, all right, great work. So that passes. But again, yeah, Beth is asking so that she can impress a man. So with the subtext, I would say it does not pass. I don't know, it's just a man. It's almost as if the BECO test is imperfect and not the greatest litmus test. Let's see there's an Oh, there's a scene between Susie

and Beth. It's after Beth is like, hey, like, nerdy camper, why don't you do something at the talent show? And Susie's like, how dare you ussert my authority? I've been busting my balls to make this thing great and everything's still a mess and the kids are a bunch of amateurs. So she's like going on this long tirade to Beth, but Beth never responds, so that all that doesn't I would say, actually that this movie does not pass. That's what I thought, because of all of the sub subtext.

Yeah but wait, what was the one? There was one where you guys commit the one about the crayons and the markers. But that scene. But I think if we're going in on the subtext, that series of lines is just a run Yeah, that's a run up to her person into tears over her ex husband. Right, Yeah, she's breaking down emotionally because she's so distraught because of her husband. So yeah, that that whole the subtext there is still

revolving around a man. So let's say this. If you're just reading a lot of these conversations on paper and don't know the subtext of them at all, the movie would technically pass a few times. But when you add then the subtext back in, all of those conversations have to do with a man, which, as you said, it makes sense. This is a movie about romance, largely hetero romance, so it makes sense that you know, if women are talking, it's because of a romantic interest in some regard so yeah,

I don't know. I would say that with subtexts, the movie does not pass. I'd still say it's rather progressive for the time age. Yeah, so well, let's let's write the movie on our nipple scale zero to five nipples is our range, and we rate based on its portrayal and representation of women. I would say, for me, it's weird because this movie is so silly and so stupid that, like I said, it's hard to take anything kind of at face value because the intent of the filmmakers is

often not very clear. The jokes kind of maybe undermine some of the stuff. And it's like, does this movie have so many horny women in it because the filmmaker wanted to portray like a sex positive narrative of like female characters like owning their sexual reality. Or is it because the filmmaker just wanted to have like a bunch of horny teens, Because that's funny, kind of hard to say. What does come across? Is it? Maybe? I can't think? Okay, so let's say it's both because there's no there's no

slut shaming. That's true. Normally, when it's just the second one, there would be some of like oh, she's a horror you know, and there's not there's none of that. I mean compared, there's a bit too abby. There's a few moments where they're like, she's the sluttiest girly camp. There's a few true if you compare this movie to like Sleepaway Camp, which is another movie about teens away at a summer camp and very different genre, but in that movie you follow the tropes of like, any women who

have sex get murdered because horror movie. Um so at least, and that's just you know, a way of like shaming women for having sexuality. Basically, so, um at least no women getting murdered in this movie, so and that stuff. For that, I give it five nipples. No, I would say, I'm going to give us like a two and a half. It's progressive for its time, but it's I don't think this movie is going out of its way to like be progressive or toold make any profound statements about like

gender politics or anything like that. I think because of the movie being is like silly as it is, it's sort of by accident, has some like interesting female characters who have agency over their own sexuality and things like that. But we also see, you know, fairly well fleshed out female characters in like Beth and her being in charge and like the respected leader in the community, stuff like that. It's nice, But I also think that it's just it's almost too stupid to be like a movie that we

can classify as a feminist text. I would argue that that that's not fair, Like I don't think that you can you can say that based on a genre, Like I think if a movie follows through on like what type of movie it is, it can still be excellent as that type of movie. Sure, And this is not to say that I'm putting comedies in this. This is a broad, absurdist comment. But I think that it's still, like I'm going to rate it three point five interesting, Okay.

I think that that Beth very easily could have been a male character and she wasn't. And she's the leader of the entire camp, and she's like our our backbone of the story, and I like her as a character. And I also like how sex positive the movie is and how progressive it is about that the gay couple. The perfect I mean, because this movie happened the world's most perfect scene was to film, and for that we have to be grateful. I'm gonna hit with three for

all the affirmation. I mean, it is great to see like a teen female character like embracer sexuality and not be punished. Especially I think that was a really good point gal of like in the context of Camp, where teenage girls are always punished for sexuality at camp. Something with our Listen to our Friday the thirteenth episode where we talk a lot about murder Camp. Uh. Yeah, so it's good to see a bunch of horny nastiness. That's great. I love it. I love that scene. Obviously, it is

the whitest movie of all times worth mentioning. But for I agree, especially considering this came out in two thousand one, I feel like, as far as two thousand one goes, this is pretty much as good as it's going to get. My rating was for two thousand and one because the ethnicity issues, like the diversity issues are huge in Again, I've only seen the Netflix series of this, like the I think the first day of Camp I've seen. I think I watched that the whole way through. They'd introduce

a few new characters. I can't remember if any of them are people of color or I think it stays pretty white. We found the fatal flaw right and this otherwise perfect movie. Yeah, So I'm gonna go to two point five nipples and I'm going to um give mine aipples to one to McKinley, one to Beth, and my half nipple will go to Susie because I appreciated that she was an artistic director of talent, which is something that I used to do. So like I really identified

with prayer. I know I'm gonna give I had three, Give one to Beth and give one to Abby, and I'm gonna give one to Gale. All right, ye would you like to give your nipples away rewards? Give one to Beth, one to McKinley, one to Katie, and then half to Susie. Great, cool, excellent, Allison, Thank you so much for being here. Where can people follow you? What would you like to plug? I'd love to plug my my own podcast, Gossip, which is a scripted comedy um

that's available wherever you can find podcasts. You can also go to Gossip podcast dot com, and then you can find me personally at Alice and Raskin wherever, and then my YouTube channel is just between us and my book is I Hate everyone but you and just between is with a friend of the cast, Gabby Done. Yeah, same

with the book awesome. You can follow the backtel Cast on social media, you can write and review us on iTunes, you can go to our website backtel cast dot com, and you can subscribe to our Matreon gets you to bonus episodes every month, and it's only five dollars a month. Well, shall we all go off and be horny at camp? Yeah? All right, I'll see you there. Okay, bye bye