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Fingers crossed that there will not be day safe. Wash your hands, be healthy, stay, yes, do all that, do all that good stuff, and uh, without further ado, here is an episode we recorded back in January in Philadelphia about the sixth sins Enjoy on the Beck dol Cast. The questions asked if movies have women and them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing it with the Beck
del Cast. Everybody welcome here, we are Philadelphia. We're back. Who's who's been here to see us before? Oh? I love I love when people are studios and they're like me hand up there, my hand. We're so sacked to be back. We love good goods so much. Yes, yes, thanks for coming. Uh well we're the good God. We're the bectel Cast. My name is Caitlin Dronte, I'm Jamie Loftus and this is our feminist movie podcast. Has anyone Well, we'll do a quick, quick quiz at the top. Um,
so this is the free applause part. Who here has listened to the Bechtel Cast? Wow, validation, validation, we love it? Okay, um? And then practical who has not listened to the Bechtel Cast. I'll be shy right in this we see front Okay, Okay, there's work to be done. So today's movie is the sixth sense? Who has seen the movie? Kah and has anyone not? There's one person? Oh my gosh, I it's so it's such a well we'll talk about it. But like I never got to see this movie without knowing
the twist that happened. So I never got to see a good movie. It's like it's not fair. I felt cheated. Oh well, we'll talk about I'm kidding. It's the greatest movie ever made. But like you've seen it? What? Um? So we're doing the sixth sense today. We're doing it because Galaxy Brain, it happens here, it does Philadelphia? Ever heard of it? Um? We should say what the Bexel cast is? Yes, let's do that. So we are a feminist movie podcast. We analyze the portrayal of women in film,
one movie at a time. There's no movie, so there's no if you left. We use the Bechdel test as a jumping off point to initiate a larger conversation, and that, of course, is a media metric created by cartoonist Alison Bechdel that requires that two female identifying characters with names have to speak to each other about something other than a man. Does it happen in movies? Every once in
a while? It does? Sometimes there I not to I mean, okay, I will say anytime someone says that they've listened to our podcast but is lying, they're like, oh, your show, isn't it about you spend an hour trying to figure out if it passes the Bechdel test. No, what imagine if we were just pouring over the screw every single line of dialogue. How do you feel? Nope, doesn't look like it like, but can we demonstrate the Bechdel test for anyone who's not familiar. Yes, Hey, Jamie Caitlin, I
see Dead Women. Wow, that's so brave and progressive of you. And that's like, you know, it doesn't have to be good writing. It just has to be writing. Um. And so that's what we're doing here, and so um. After you know, people have been begging us, Jamie Caitlin, do a feminist analysis of the sixth Cents. It's our top request. Everyone wants to know. But like, I mean, really the Benett I mean, I'm just thrilled that we get to talk about Haley Joel Osmond. Um my my lifelong crush.
So this episode will not pass at all because we'll just be talking about when you talk about Haley Josmond. It does pass the Ptel test we checked. Same applies to Alfred Molina. Of course, if I have a crush on them, it passes the Piketel test. Um is that's cannon um, Caitlin, What is your history with the cinematic masterpiece The sixth Sense. I saw the movie in theaters in nine in do Boys, Pennsylvania, and anyone familiar. I
was twelve or thirteen. Didn't really know anything about it except that it was like, you know, the hot movie of the moment. It was very spooky, and because I was the age that I was, I thought it was great. Um, this movie is for twelve year olds, Like this is like this movie is like the most hardcore ship a twelve year old has ever seen. Like I think that like that kind of applies to like might Shine's entire filmography. Like if you're twelve, you're like, this ship is unbelievable.
But then when you are, you know, thirteen, you're like, oh, what what is happening? And I don't think I had seen it again since? But because it's such like it's such a huge part, it's infiltrated pop culture that everyone knows the twist ending everyone knows the famous line about seeing dead people not women, not feminist. No, I think it's a gender neutral term and it's and it's you know, all encompassing. I think that Haley Joel Osmond is in icon.
He probably insisted on that line what if I'm ni shan One was like, okay, you're gonna say I see dead hetero men, and Haley Joel Osmond's like, now I have an idea. I know I have eight years old, but let's be inclusive, you know, I hope, so I'm gonna be cutting them all kinds of slack. What is
your history with the movie? Not much? I I was too I wasn't allowed to see this movie when it came out, um, because I think it was like six or seven when it came out, and so I didn't get to see it, but I knew the twist years before. I think I finally saw it maybe in middle school, but I already knew the twist because some jackass at school had sucked it up for me. So I didn't
I like to the twist. But by that point, I think I had seen the sixth sense after I'd seen Hayley Joel Osmond in Secondhand Lions, and I'm right, we have some secondhand Lions. The Secondhand Lions High has come to Philadelphia. It's like Lions, Uh, not that bad. Pretty good, that's pretty good. I think that that, you know, pretty good, that's solid pretty good. But that that was like where my crush really like solidified. I'm like, well, we've got
to go back, We've got to see everything. So that was so I went to see it for horny child purposes. Uh and I was like, okay, you know, and that's my entire history. And then I watched it again. I forgot Tony Collette is in this movie. I saw this movie before I knew who Tony Colette was, so I didn't know she was in it at all. Yeah, I think that Tony Colette, like I mean, based on the interviews I've read with her, it seems like maybe she
would prefer We Forgot You was in this movie. She's like, yeah, anyways, knives out like she just blaze through it. Although I think that Tony Colett's character in this movie is kind of like the lightest version of her character in Hereditary because a lot of times in movies, Tony Colette is just like, what's going on with my son? Like that is the part she's given a lot like multiple She's just like she's on screen and we're like, oh, I went over. Her motivation is, She's like, my son's doing
fucked up things and and then that's them. I'm like, come, we gotta you know she should have an oscar. Not for this though. She was nominated though, right for this movie? Am I wrong? Oh my god? She was for what Wait? I love Tony Colette, but you're just like she's dressed like Velma from Scooby Too. At the end of the movie. She was nominated for the Best Supporting Actress. That is so funny. It's like, I mean she didn't win. I mean she didn't. I mean I don't think so she
didn't win. Did you notice that when you were rewatching it, like the end of the movie where Hayley Joel Osmond and um Tony Collette's relationship is like resolved. At the end, She's dressed exactly like Velma from Scooby Doo. She's wearing the turtleneck dark, the hairstyle is exactly the same, and she's crying. But I'm like, I can't engage. I'm so
distracted by the fact that she's cosplaying during this. I mean, when you think of it, the sixth sense is like a very gritty Scooby Doo narrative unpacked and who unpacked that? Who is the bad guy in this movie? Death? Is it like Final Destination? In that way we should come and Final Destination movie? Um, they'll all pass and kid um. But um, yeah, I don't know. I guess that. The I mean, the closest we get to a villain in this movie is Munchausen's by proxy mom, who I forgot
about and I'm like, what is that doing here? And then there's little Misha Barton. We'll get to that too. Well should I do the recamp? Yeah? I guess we started on accidents, So here we go. Um. Dr Malcolm crow Is Bruce Willis and a million times a movie, or like, it's not dr Ian Malcolm dr Malcolm Crow. This is not Drastic Park as much as we want it to be. Um and his wife and a Crow and a crow. Yeah. I like in the beginning scene her whole thing, she's like, I'm your wife. She literally
says that. She's like, I'm your wife and you don't pay attention to me, And he's like, anyways, Like that's the whole first scene, they're staring at a plaque that's honoring his accomplishment at a job we soon learn he's not that good at good at and she says like, I'm your wife and your mean and he's like, ha ha, But that's they're celebrating because he's received an award from the City of Philadelphia. I hope that, you know, Philly doesn't just give out awards for this kind of stuff.
And then a former patient of his, Vincent Gray, who was played by Donnie Wahlberg. But I okay, So, for some reason, when I was rewatching this movie with my boyfriend, kill me. I'm not a feminist, uh As I was watching it with him, and for some reason, I was so one million percent sure that the guy who shoots Bruce Willis was Christian Bale to the boy where when he came on screen and it was visibly not Christian Bale, I was like, he's a chameleon, Like he's so good
that he has a different head. But it's not. It's Donnie Wahlberg. He lost forty pounds to do this one scene, which is like kind of embarrassing for him. But imagine losing forty pounds and then being on set maximum two days. You know, like what was he trying to prove? Whatever it was, it didn't work. He owns a cheeseburger, you know, joy.
Whatever he does. Fine. So this former patient, Vincent gray Um feels Dr. Malcolm Crowe has completely failed him, and so he shoots Malcolm in the abdomen and then he shoots himself in the head. We cut to the following fall. Malcolm is stalking a child the way, Yeah we see that. Yeah, No, he's stalking. He's stalking a child named Cole's Steer. Also Cole. Okay for everyone in the crowd who's like, wait, Cole Seer.
This movie is very subtle. You have to be careful with these sort of things, but it's not spelled as E E are no you. It's subtle different there. It is really fun to read. Like I have some quotes for later, but whenever. M n Chanel like when this movie was coming out, he was interviewing for this movie as if the very obvious things in the movie were so subtle. He's like, well, Cole Seer, now not everyone's
gonna get this, but he's sears dead people. So we find out that Cole is Malcolm's patient, and he's a sweet boy. He's he's an angel, he's a talent, you know, Jacob Tremblay wishes you know. But there there's something different about Cole. He's not like the other boys, not like the other Seers. And he speaks Latin and he opens all the drawers in the kitchen or is that him or is it we don't know. We meet his mom, lyndsay here, that's totally and she's like, don't look at me.
So Cole and Malcolm have an appointment at Cole's house and we learn more about him, like he made a drawing that depicted this violent murder and he has a secret. Okay, So meanwhile, um, Malcolm's home life is rough. He and his wife keeps ignoring him, and we're like, why does anyone into the crowd not know? Okay, never mind, but like it's so like there is this thing with thrillers.
We're just talking about this backstage. There is this thing with like thrillers that have a twist that you can really only tell if they're a good movie when you've seen it twice. Like if anyone is seen Parasite, I will not spoil anything. There's a twist in the movie, and when you see it the second time, you're like, oh, this is an amazing movie because it gets even better once you know the twist, whereas the sixth sense is
a little different. Once you know the twys, You're like, oh, this is the worst thing I've ever seen in my entire I can't wait. I have so many questions that are going to poke some holes in this plot. We're really going to show him. This movie was nominated for Best Picture that year, I know, but like not a good year for anyone. That's okay. So wife is ignoring and his wife. Malcolm and Cole meet again and they're making some progress, but there's something that's really troubling Coal
and we still don't know what it is. He has an outburst at school. Then there's this birthday party incident where some mean boys lock coal and a little cupboard, and then he has some sort of seizure type thing. Then Malcolm is with him in the hospital and Cole says he's ready to tell Malcolm his secret, and the trailer moment we get the line line, I see dead women. Haley Joel Osman is a really good actor. He's you know me. I don't like a lot of child actors,
but Haley Joel really knocks out of the park. He's perfect. He's perfect in all subsequent roles as well. I have a whole section later. Okay, good, Okay. So he sees dead people, and the ghosts that he sees there everywhere. They don't know that they're dead. He sees them all the time, and it's just they're very melodramatic, these ghosts that he sees, they apparently have all died very violent
deaths as well. There's no I thought that was because of its like, oh, it's just people with unfinished business who they're unfinished businesses. I want to scream at Haley Joel Osman, like their unfinished business has never really made that clear. They just want to yell at him and scare him. It's a lot of people died having not yelled at him yet, and that is what a as them to pass on. I guess who knows This movie makes no sense. So Malcolm assumes that Cole seeing dead
people is the result of a mental illness. But we start to learn that there actually are dead people walking around who torment and abuse and yellow at coal. So
Malcolm he's under a lot of pressure. He says he's going to transfer Cole to another doctor because he needs to spend more time with his wife's wife and because his wife is getting a little flirty with some guy, and Bruce Willis is acting out about it because he doesn't know he's dead and so forth right, but Cold begs Malcolm to help him and believe him because you know, hashtag believe Haley. I think everyone in the crowd would agree we as a fan base believe Haley. Joelw Hosmins.
So Malcolm starts to reflect back on his treatment of Vincent the person from the beginning of the movie Christian Bale, not Christian Bale, Donnie Wahlberg, and he plays back some old tapes, and Malcolm realizes that Vincent had this same seeing dead people curse, which we learn apparently only afflicts little boys whose parents are divorced. That's Malcolm is obsessed
with divorce. Anytime you see him, like treating a patient, the first thing about them is like first name, last name, status of parents, marriage and that, like he's so, and then he's like divorced. Okay, this kid is going to be I'm like, you know, by that logic, half of the planet would see people. Yeah, which we do. Well, you were a child of divorce, y, yes, right now, but I can see them. My parents are their marriage is legally binding, so I can't see dead people. Have Yeah,
get them to sign the papers. Your life is going to change. Bryce Willis is going to show up, Okay, So Malcolm he realizes that the dead people that Cole is seeing just want help from Coal. They want cold to help them, and he thinks, he's like, if you just listen to them, they'll go away. Um. But it's still very unclear what some of the ghosts want to help with, because we really only find out about one of them, which is ghost She shows up. She's puking
everywhere and then feminists. Cole is like, Hi, how can I help you? And this is his first customer service. That is a lot of customer services. Someone puking at you and you're being like, I don't mind this. Like so we cut to Cole and Malcolm going to her funeral and everyone thinks she died of a terminal illness, but Cole helps uncover that Misha Barton was actually being poisoned by her own mother. In a scene that hint hint passes the Bechtel test when you know what your
mom is killing you and it passes. That was a wild one. She was like, I want you to eat your soup and don't complain about how it tastes. Passes. This is one of my new favorite passes. It's really good. So that has been resolved, and then Cole tells his mom about his secret. There's this exchange about she's dressed like grandmother, right, and Malcolm is like, Okay, I'm gonna
try to reconnect with my hint his wife. But but it's because Cole says something that outside the context of the movie is like, He's like, I know what you should do talk to your his wife while she's asleep, and I'm like, if he's alive, this is the scariest thing that's ever been set. Like, imagine waking up and someone you love being like, I just wish I could connected.
I feel like text me, I know, just yeah. But but like Haley Joel Osmi gives this advice because he knows Bruce Willis is dead, and Bruce Willis just receives it like never thought. Okay, That's what I'm unclear about. Does Haley Joel know that he definitely does? Yeah, that's what when he says all the time, he's like, literally right now, I'm saying dead people. Wait, am I the am I alone here? I thought that he didn't know. He definitely knows. He definitely, Like he gives hints all
the time that he knows. My interpretation maybe I'm giving m night Shine like too much credit, but my interpretation is he doesn't tell Bruce Willis that he's dead because if he tells him he's dead, Bruce Willis will disappear, he'll go away, and he doesn't want Bruce Willis to go away because daddy issues. However interpreted, I interpreted knows that he had no idea and he was like, Oh, here's a child psychologist conveniently here to help me. Did
you underestimate Hayley John Osman. He well, no, because at the end he says like, this is the last time I'm going to see you, huh, because he knows that, Like I think maybe he figures it out by the end. Maybe I don't know. I literally I was like, he
doesn't know, just like we don't know. Well. It's like, I mean, the logic of this movie relies on Bruce Willis his character being very stupid, which he is, but it's like there's multiple scenes where it's like if you were Lee Joel Osmond and there was a strange man in your hospital room that your mom had never met, you would be like, mom, you know, but like but psycho, but a psychologist, But like we don't. I mean, Bruce Willis just shows up and he's like, I'm You're like,
I don't know. I think Hayley Joel Osmond knows. Well. One of my questions that would poke holes in the story logic is like how did this patient doctor relationship start. That's why I feel like Hayley Joel Osmond just accepts it because he can tell when people are dead, and he's like, oh, this ghost seems like less bleeding than usually. Like, let's see where this goes? Got it? Okay, well this has just crumbled my entire life. I could be wrong. I don't know that. I want to take a poll.
Can we who read it the way that Jamie reads it? That Hayley knew that grando applause? Okay, okay, A fair amount of people okay, rand up, applause who did not know? And I thought that Cole does not know that he's a ghost. Okay, okay. So we have some MENSA members in the room, and we have some people's master's degrees in the room. You know, being a MENSA member costs sixty how much? Anyways, I don't know. I mean, I guess it doesn't. I mean, at the end of the day,
how hard was and they trembled thinking about that? I mean not there's so many plot holes? Um okay? So they So Bruce Wallis is like, I gotta go reconnect with my wife, and then his attempt to do that makes him learn that he's been dead the whole time because he was shot. He was killed whenever when when shot him? Yes, and uh, that's the movie. And then we're like, wow, it's perfect. No notes, Okay, I mean should we start with like what a dogshit child? Psychologist?
Malcolm is like alive or dead. He's he's trash, he's so bad. Like he we've already sort of talked a little bit about his like obsession with divorce, where he's like divorce equals mental illness equals ghosts. Like he's like really taking it a long way. And then another thing that I noticed just throughout the movie is he also has a like a strong aversion to medicating any sort of mental illness. There's this really dramatic shot when he's
first of all, watching his wife shower. She doesn't know he's there, and then he so, okay, weird to start, and then he it pans over and there's a very dramatic shot of her bottle of zoe loft, and he's like like, first of all, everyone on the planets is all like like what are you taught? Like? And he's a psychologists, a psychologist. I'm like, oh my god, have you never prescribed someone zoved? You? Probably should, you know.
So he's he's like so deeply shocked that his wife would dare to go so far as to take Zolf and then when Cole tells him, you know, I see dead people that are around me all the time. And then Malcolm like reassesses his like evaluation of Colon. He's like, oh, it's like worse than I thought. He might need hospitalization and medication, and then proceeds to not do anything about it. Like he's just like, well, we'll just meet like several
more times. I'll go to his play. So that's like also dr patient, Like that breaches something right, Like imagine if if my like therapist came to like here, I would be like get stage less talk. But like, but in theory, that's very unprofessional, Yes, I think so. But one okay, but one thing I did like that Bruce Willis does was when he leaves the first place he goes to two plays. Also he's like school has so many plays, which goes into the whole daddy issues thing
that I have later. But um, at the end of the first play, he's like, well it was better than cats, and You're like, you fucking idiot, like this was not better than and then we're like, oh, well, I never was there ever. A cat's so clever imagine, and there's and there's also like, first of all, like Hailey Hilsmond wishes he was Skimble Shanks in his wildest dreams and he could have done I have no doubt, but you know, which was a majority British cast. But all that to say, um,
you know what is that phrase about people? Is it? People in glass houses? Shouldn't throw stones? M night shimels coming after Cats? I'm like, it's all bad, honey, Like it's all you can't be like in the middle of the sixth sense the stupidest movie ever and be like Cat sucked, right, I'm like, sir, it all sucked. Like calm down, I okay, I don't think this movie is terrible. I don't. I don't think it's terrible. I just think it's dumb. It's very stupid. Dumb movies are fun all
the time. For example Cats, of course, can I ask my questions? Ask your questions? Thank you so much. Okay, So the movie does a little bit to show the Malcolm and his his his wife have grown apart and they don't really talk anymore. But we're to believe that
he's been dead for several months. He's been doing for a while, and then it's like we just I'm mean, the story logic is so bizarre where it's like, I mean, and most people did suspend their disbelief, like I mean, including me, and but it's like we're to believe that, um, Bruce Willis has not spoken to his wife, had a conversation, they wouldn't have had sex or like kissed or anything like that, which I mean, it happens, but like I mean,
if you're not even having a conversation, eventually you're gonna be like, hey, you like okay, So like that would be me like day two, I mean I would be like, excuse me, past the but what does he been eating? You? Right? What does he She's been making dinner for one And then like day fifty, he's like I'm hungry, Like what you would you humor me, Jamie and you pretend to be my wife and I'll be dead Bruce Willis, and You're just gonna have to ignore everything I day because
I'm dead right, Okay, I'm horny for someone. Also, it is kind of okay, wait, can I break um the fact that it has only been a couple of months, and she's like, I should probably be fucking I'm like, you know what, everyone grieves differently. I'm okay with a very horny grief. Okay, So you're my bed his wife and his wife. Hey, honey, how was your day at work? Honey? Did you have Why are you ignoring me? Did you
have a bad day? Something wrong? Yeah? That's also we were to believe that she hasn't talked about it at all, like he's never walking on her on the phone, being like so about my husband's assets, like right, or like the funeral, the funeral? Where was he what? Or I mean it was it? Are we supposed to believe that maybe he like came to said but then we okay, someone saying yes. But then it's also like he's acting like we've been growing apart for months and so I
don't know, I don't know. It doesn't make sense. But it was nominated for many oscars, not the first time. Okay. So does Malcolm not notice or care that he apparently has only one patient and it's and one outfit, one outfit, one outfit, yeah, his his sweater. Does he not notice that no one seems to talk to him except a
small child? Um? No, he does. He thinks people are talking around him all the time, but no one ever direct Imagine if no one ever directly addressed you, you would just feel like you were in junior high again, Like it would be he's just living in right. No one seems to notice he exists, but he doesn't notice that. Does he think he's getting paid? Right? This jig goes on for a while and you're like, is Tony Colette
supposed to be paying it? But it's like, I guess they only see what they want to see, which is like such a like throwaway line that excuses a lot of plot holes. He's sending her like ghost bills. She's
not replying to his ghost invoices. You know we've all been there, right, next question, Um, So various times when it seems like Cole would be under adult supervision because he seems to be with Malcolm, then you realize he was just like alone in that hospital room, alone, walking the halls of his school at night, alone, walking around in a park like he was just like always a
talking talking talk no one. If you saw a tiny little Haley Joel Osman baby talking to no one, you would be like, I'm abducting you, you know, like you might do that here my son. Now I don't know someone, but some would do something. If not that, they would be like are you, where's your mom? What's going on? And then also why after Vincent Gray kills himself, why does Cole never see him? Because he would be a ghost unless he doesn't have any unfinished business. I guess
his business was to kill Bruce Willis. He was like, I'm out, I don't know, we don't we have no background for him. They're just like, well, child of divorce, So clearly you're gonna want to kill Bruce Willis. Although I think Vincent Gray is maybe one of the more realistic characters in the story because he showed, I mean, the ends don't justify the I don't know if I'm using that phrase correctly, but you know, he does say, hey, Bruce Willis, you're a shitty psychologist. You said because I
was divorced, I would like my parents were divorced. I was satan and now you will pay Like that part shouldn't have happened. But like up till then, he was like really on a roll. He was a bad child psychologist. Also, he's always violating hippo laws because he's like telling his
life about his patient. Nation that's not allowed. It's I know, well, it's well because he has to talk about his job to his wife, because we don't know anything about his wife other than she's like, I feel neglected, and then he dies we do find out. So if we're talking about I mean, unfortunately, there's really not a ton of discussion to be had about his wife because we know so little about her other than she was married to him.
And then she's sad that she's not around anymore. She says, home watching the wedding tape, you know, the whole bit she's wearing out the VHS. There's one scene where we see her at work at I think an antique shop that sells jewelry. But the one thing we see her working, she's like gaslighting a couple into buying a diamond ring
they clearly can't afford. Um. And then the unnamed female character, one of the only non white characters in the movie, Um, she's talking to her future husband and and she and you know, it's just like it's kind of the classic trope of like women be desiring blood diamonds, and and so his wife, you know, gaslights the couple into being like, no, this is actually a good idea and so that scene is bad. Also, why is that scene really there? Does that? Uh?
What happens after that is the guy who's like who's interested in her and who Bruce Willis is jealous of. She she like gives him a gift. But we didn't need the scene prior to that at a thing, We didn't really need everything. I mean, I'm like, I didn't all the scenes. You're like, I guess I could take or leave it, Like, but that was a weird one.
And and yeah there is is he named there's like, there's some guy who is interested in her and then she's like, but but I can't, you know, because she's not um through her grief process, which which is I think like a valid arc. But that's the most you get out of her, is like she is someone who has lost her spouse recently and is like not sure if she's ready to move on. That all makes sense, um,
but that's like literally all we get, right. I mean, overall, the women who are in the story are really only there because of their relationships to the two main male characters, Mothers and Wives. That's just Mothers and Wives and the Tony Collette character is slightly more important. Yeah, I think the most important female character, which is like I'm not saying that much, but they cast Tony Collette, you know, so you're like that's significant, right, her character, I mean
I like her character. I think we are told that she she's a single parent because divorce equals ghosts, and she's a single parent. She has two jobs, but we don't know what either of them are, right, which is like, all right, I'm not ti one was you know, we got you know, but she's it's just supposed to be like she's working very hard, and then it's a Tony Collette role in the nineties or early two thousands, so
she's like, what's going on with my son? Right? Yeah, although I would say so what little we do know about her, right, is that she she's divorced, she's working two jobs. She is really good, a really good mother. She's very caring and attentive. I think she's like appropriately concerned for Cole's safety while also being like frustrated by his at times alarming behavior because he's being haunted by ghosts.
But then her also like she's frustrated by her own inability to help him, Like there's that scene where she's just like they're kind of arguing about this like Bumblebee pendant, and she's like, I'm so I'm tired in my body, in my mind, in my heart, and like you can tell she's like trying very hard to be a good mother and she just has a son who sees dead people.
So how do you mean mothers in the audience that? Um? Yeah, No, I mean I I I like her character, and I also think that we don't in like pop culture in general, you don't get a ton of mother son's stories that um play out eventually as positively as this one does. I feel like there's and and this movie has this as well, but there's a lot of father son's stories because men be making movies about their problems. Um. But I think that like mother's son relationships are kind of
under represent and father daughter as well. But um yeah, So so I like that you understand why Tony Colette feels frustrated. It doesn't seem irrational at all. And you also understand why Cole is an of is to tell her because he doesn't want to be labeled as, you know, an unstable child of divorce, which Bruce Willis is labeling
him ask um. So I like their relationship and I also like because I sort of forgot, I forgot about the scene, the scene where she stresses Velma at the end, which does make me cry, um because I'm easily manipulated, but um where their relationship resolves is and the way that sort of Haley Joel Osmond proves to Tony Collette that she should believe Haley Joel Osmond is he, you know, shares an anecdote about his grandmother, her mother who passed away,
and they're crying and she believes him, and you don't know. I'm like, what is she going to do now? Like we don't really know, but you're like, okay, They're okay. She believes him and they're going to figure it out, which I think was like a lovely mother son relationship arc indeed, especially because in that moment we realize that Haley Joel Osmond's character is a feminist icon because he's
trying to help women pass the Bechdel test. He's like, hey, mom, Grandma says, Hi, she saw you at the dance recital and she wants you to know that you make her proud every day. And Tony class not catching on. She's like, uh huh. I'm like, no, you have to talk to her, Come on there. Haley Cosmond's okay, his entire character, like his name is cold, but it's like it's Haley to Osmond, um his whole character. I like his character. I think Cole is a little sweetie pie. He's a troubled boy.
But he's literally being haunted by every plot ghost. Every plot relevant ghost is haunting him. All the non plot relevant ghost who knows where they are. Um, But I like the first ghost that he's able to break through with is Misha Barton, So he's help helping women expose their mother's crimes feminists. Um, he's an ally. He's an ally.
He just is Um. But but what I really do like about the way, and it's like I don't know how intentional this is, because I don't think that this is like a movie that's like meant to show like young people a role model through this haunted child. But
maybe I don't, we don't know. But but in general, I mean I think it would be kind of like an easy, bad writing thing to have, you know, because like Haley draw Osmond's character is being bullied like other boys who are very like, you know, emulating macho behaved Tommy to Tamas Seema. He's a cough syrup commercial so he's the best actor in the world. He's like that character hilarious icon, uh, feminist icon Tommy tamas you know,
um question mark. But you know we see all we see other other young boys like bullying Haley Joel Osmond, and he's very like typically like macho ways and Haley Jelosmond doesn't respond with like toxicity. He's just like, I've got bigger fish to fry. I look Tommy Tennessineo, we'll deal with him later. We've got we've got ghosts that are screaming, like so scratching him and they're scratching him. Why are they scratching him? He's so nice. Also, on
the rewatch the special effects in this movie. I'm like, I looked up because I'm like, maybe this movie was made for fourteen dollars, but it was not. It was they had a forty million dollar budget in so like even more now. But if you look at there's a scene where you see, um, I mean, you know, female ghosts representations pretty good in this movie. But one of the first ones is a mother who has um. We're
to like she split her wrists. We don't find anything else out other than she wants to scream like her unfinished business. We don't know. I think she it's implied that she has an abusive husband, right, but it's like, what's Haley joel Osma going to do about that? Anyway? But but when when she turns and we see the special effects, it's literally like I party, like like it's like the effects are not there. It's just like, yeah,
it's Halloween makeup that they're wearing. And then Misha Barton has like a CVS brand like ghost makeup on her um. Going back to the mother son relationship because I I also quite like the way it plays out, especially because so you know she's a single mother. We're not totally sure how recent the divorce was, or how recently his dad left, or how long he's been seeing ghosts, but we have to assume since the day alcause there's all those photos on the wall where like Tony Klauds like
what's this little shimmer in this photograph? And there was some of h Well, then that challenges I thought it was like, oh, your father and I got divorced and that second is like boop, like ghosts have logged in. Oh, so it's just like you're born with it. Maybe he thought it was once your parents get divorced, you see ghosts. Maybe it's that when you have a baby who sees ghosts, it's so much pressure on your marriage that you get divorced.
Oh is a self fulfilling prophecy. You're like, why is it? Why are there so many orbs in this picture of our son? And then they break up? So really, when you what you're saying is the divorce is Haley Joel Osmond's fault, and we love to hear that the divorce was the child's fault. I don't wishing interesting you would say, but the relationship between mother and son in a lot of movies you would see that dynamic play out where like the boy would be like, when's daddy coming home?
Where's my dad? Like, either in an implicit or an explicit idea that the mother isn't enough he needs a male parental figure. I agree with that, but I would also because Cole doesn't do that. But yeah, well, but because it's like you know, it's Tony Collett, like it's made very clear that she is a good mother, she's trying her best to understand. But but then you kind of I feel like m Night Shamling kind of has it both ways because Bruce Willis comes in, he becomes
this parental figure. He's showing up to plays, he's showing up to the hospital, he's doing these quote unquote fatherly duties, and it's I feel like the plot would have you believe that Haley Joe Osmond wouldn't have been able to resolve his issues without this ghost father figure appearing and then like probably kind of dramatically disappearing. But I don't know. I was sort of because I was like, oh, that's cool that, Like I do I love the mother son relationship.
But but I feel like there's also the slight implication by the movie that Tony Colett couldn't have gotten the job done on her own, like they ghost Daddy needed to come in for a few weeks. Wasn't a ghost, so she can't help with the ghosts, I know, which is just like rude. It's like Tony could be a ghost if she wanted. He didn't tell her, but I I don't know. Yeah, it was like it wasn't like I I and again I'm just like, I don't know
who who was thinking this hard about it. I think we're we have like thought a few laps around the first draft of the script, but um, I don't know. I feel like there is the implication that it's still like that nuclear family dynamic that is able to accomplish what the story wants to. I see what you're saying, but I feel like Bruce willis who knows how long he's been stalking Cold before they actually start talking to
each other. But I feel like it's implied that he's only around for maybe a few weeks or a couple of months or so before he then like disappears, because it's like he needs to help Cole needs to help Mischelle Barton for some reason. And then everyone's fine, question like we don't know they need to help each other like ather On me but there, but I don't know. Yeah, the I said, ultimately, the doomsday clock is at a hundred seconds. That's what I'm gonna start saying when I
run out of idea. Ok Uh, there is like there's a few times when you learn that like Cole wears his dad's like glasses, or like the frames of his glasses or like his watch. Maybe it's just like a small attempt to be like I wish my daddy was still here. But it's not overwhelming. But then yeah, because you know, Bruce Willis does sort of step into be his his dad, his father. Yeah, I don't know, like yeah,
most of the stuff. I mean, I feel like there's a version of this movie that would have like hit on that theme way harder, in a more egregious way. Um, But as it is, I mean, I mean, it's it's fine. Yeah, it's fine. We do see Tony Collect's character doing laundry in two different scenes. Well, who else is gonna do it? Well, that's true, two scenes is unnecessary. One scene max one scene we're like, well this is you know, like she's obviously who else would be doing it in two scenes
where like what are her jobs? She has two jobs? Why does she let her son roam around at night with nobody? There's with ghosts? Where is the babysitter at where is she? Or we don't know? Sorry, it's funny to be inclusive with my babysitting. I'm trying to look through my notes to see if I have anything else, I wrote down a lot of female ghosts, a lot of female ghosts. Um. I also, I mean I don't even really know. Again, I'm just like, what really does
this plot point serve? He's able to help Misha Barton ghost who's being killed by her mom, but we get no insight as to like what's going on there, and so that seemed just to me mostly read this very bizarre. Misha Barton gets him the VHS evidence tape that she's conveniently recorded, and then Haley Joe Osmond goes to her father and it's like, here's evidence, and he's like, let
me watch it. During the way during the field, he pops it in during the wake from a kid he's never met who was there alone, because again Bruce Willis is dead, he's at his wake alone, and like in any other world it would be like a SpongeBob car too, but like but in this case, this eight year old standing important evidence about his daughter, and we see the mother doing the like the Munchausen's by proxy thing she's doing, and again in a very over the top visual signifiers
of like the thing that is clearly poison has like a little X symbol on it, Yeah, what was that bottle? What was it there? What is it? I don't know. She pours in it. She she's like bleaching soup. So we see her do the soup bleach, and then she goes to Misha Barton like stopped saying the soup tastes
like bleach. Yeah, and we have no insight. I mean, it's like I didn't know about even the term munchausens by proxy until like the whole Gypsy Rose case like five years ago, and let's talk about it after the show. But I feel like munchausens by proxy and like the idea of keeping someone sick intentionally was not a like pop culture Like people didn't know about this then. So the fact that it pops up and then her husband like just confronts her and it's like why world, why
did you bleach the soup? And she just goes and that's that's the last week. Does she get arrested? Like do we get in the explanation? Like we get nothing? And when I first saw this movie, I'm like, wow, she seems like a real bit Like I'm like, but that's clearly there's so much going on there. Then there's so like it's such a complicated issue for m Night ten to choose to be, Like, let me present this very complex mental illness in one scene with characters you
don't know. I think there's a lot that gets like seeds that get planted in the first movie that call for a sequel. I think there should be a sequel to the Sixth Sense. I think it should be called the seventh Sense, even though that doesn't make sense. But like again, like what happened? I want to know what happens with like now that like he has a friendly relationship with ghosts. Now I guess at the end that we're supposed to believe, So like what does that look like?
You have to be careful though, because they will make that movie. We don't actually want it. If anyone is listening, that's like, maybe we should know we don't want it, you know, because what it was that they just did that with um the Shining, They were like, what if the people are wondering, You're like, no one is wondering what happened to Dan, Like no one gives a funk what happened to Danny? So I just sorry, Hey, let's talk about Hayley Joel Osmond for a second. He's had
a lot of great roles. Kaitlin. Maybe you've seen him most recently in that Zac efron Ted Bundy movie, and you wee see that he's he's he's he's finding that. His whole role in that is he goes up to Ted Bundy's ex girlfriend and who's like, I wish you could get over Ted Bundy. That's his whole role. He's crying, He's like, I I just Ted Bundy is cock blocking me at every turn. Like so, he's not given much,
but he does a good job. My favorite post sixth sense Haley Joel Osmond role is the movie sex Ed. Has anyone on the planet besides me seeing sex Ed? Okay? So sex Head is a movie that is currently streaming for free on something called to Be Anyway Heny where am I to Be? I was like what the fuck is to be? And I downloaded it to watch the sex said. Sex Ed is a movie where Haley Joel Osmond plays a sex ed teacher named Ed. That's really all you need to know to want to watch it.
But he plays a sex said teacher named Ed. He's trying to he's having a bit of a dry spell, but he's talking about sex all day, so he's horny. Rhada Play is his best friend slash Landlord. She shows up every few scenes to give exposition and then she disappears. Um anyways, at the end, Hayley Joel Osmond has sex. Whoa spoilers sorry and then whatever you like. At the end, he was dead the whole time. You gotta watch sex said, it's onto b Um, here's something that's sort of relevant
to what we normally discuss. Um. So there's there's a component in this movie, and it's recurring in a lot of like horror thriller movies. But um, something's happening to someone and no one believes them at first. Um, and groups of people who are often not believed. I see where this is going. Children, like we see in the sixth sense, women ever heard of him? Um, seniors, you know, basically any marginalized group. And there's like there's a line
of dialogue where Cole says, like, please believe you believe me? Right? How will you help me if you don't believe me? And that's just you know, poignant. I think that that's good. Yeah, like it it does like make it clear that like and and that's also like What is preventing Cole from having any sort of resolution with his mother is that he's so afraid that she won't believe him, and that if he tells her the truth that she will disown
him or love him less or whatever. The internal logic is that, yeah, am I Shevelin accidentally made a point, right. There's even that scene where he says like, like, no one knows my secret. I can't even tell my mom because I don't want my mom to look at me in the way everyone else does, like I'm a freak, so like because it's it's very sleep Um let's talk about um m I Chavelin for a second, because I I mean, for he gets a lot of ship from people. He has made more good movies than you think. Okay,
but in all, seriously, is am I Chavelin? I think when I was very young, he was one of the first non white directors I was aware of that was wildly successful period. I mean, I think like when I was a kid, I knew of Spike Lee, but I wasn't old enough to see his movies. And then they're like and and then I could watch m Night Chamelin movies, So he did like I mean he did make I mean, this movie was wildly successful. He basically got a blank check for the rest of his career, um for better
or wars um after making this movie. And so I think that, like that is worth acknowledging. And that is like a very impactful thing because you know, directors are still overwhelmingly male, but also overwhelmingly white of any gender. So the fact that you know, this is a director who um he he grew up in Philly, but he's the son of immigrants, and like that is a really powerful cool thing. And so I just wish his movies
were better. So you know, there's a lot, but but I like, yeah, I think he was truly one of the first non white directors I knew of and was very you know in in the zeitgeist if you will. Um. But also he ru and Avatar, so I don't know, um oh some people disagree, okay, but yeah, I oh. I also wanted to mention m Night Shimelin's which was a wild year. So this was like The sixth Cents was his big breakout movie. He wrote and directed it, but prior to that he was like a Hollywood writer.
He would do a lot of like third or fourth drafts of movies that were basically done and then they're like, we gotta give it the m night touch. So his film credits in addition to the sixth cents are he did punch up on She's All That, and he wrote and is credited as the soul writer of Stewart Little. What a wild year for him, Like I he hasn't had a year like that. I mean, he doesn't have to punch up Stewart Little anymore. But that was a
fun movie. I never saw it, but yeah, like that was that was the year where he was like crossing over between being like a punch up writer and then like this twisty oh tour. But you know, like Stewart Little, it slaps, It's good, It's lass Gina Davis, isn't it goodness?
Pays his mother? I do like the my Shamalans. Basically, his whole ethos is summarized in one line of dialogue in this movie where Bruce Willis is like telling Cole a bedtime story about a prince who was driving a lot, and then Haley Joel Osmond is like, you've never told a story before, have you? You have to add some twists and also I'm nic shimally does the he sometimes
like m night Shanalin. I love him, and then sometimes you're like your confidence is really for like it's it's difficult, um, because what he does and a lot of directors do this, but he specifically said like I'm basically this generation's Alfred Hitchcock. And Alfred Hitchcock would play a small role in all of his movies. So movie one was like, I gotta be in this because otherwise I will people know I'm Alfred Hitchcock now. Um, So he plays a small role
in this movie, gives himself a cameo and all of them. Yeah, just I think that that's what Alfred Hitchcock did. He would be in a few seconds of every movie. And I particularly love like even in some of his worst movies, the m I Childman cameos are always so fun. He's always like a park ranger being being like, no, go into those woods, see what happens. Like he's always like introducing them into danger. It's fun. He should act more. He doesn't seem like a bad actor. Um. There is
a Chucky Cheese reference in this movie. Visibility is important, but it's also Tony Collette needs to explain. I don't was that supposed to be some sort of class thing. Like they're like Tony Colette and Haley Joe Osmond are at this like fancy, nice birthday party and the mother at the fancy birthday party doesn't know what chucky cheese is and to like it's all embarrassed, and she's like, well it's it's the greatest place on her all right, because she goes chucky like chucky just what I say
every time? Oh man, it's the best. It is the best place on earth. You know. I've been many times with you, I know for my birthday is of course. Yeah. So they mentioned chucky cheese and cats and they can't take that away from So do you anything else? I think that's about it. We're running a bit out of time. Do we have any times for questions or comments? Time for a few questions, comments come up to the mic, so we can up to the mic. There's one person,
one brave soul. Oh come on, I love her sweaters. What's your name? My name's d what's your question? My sex head, that's what they call me. Your reputation proceeds. My question is who do you think Alfred Molina would play in this for asking, um, who would Alfred? I think he could be Mischa Barton Ghost and all my fantasies. Unfortunately, Alfred Billina takes a role from a woman. Um, he could be Barton Goes. He could be he could? I think the one role he could. I think he would
have genuinely been a good Bruce Willis. Um he could. I mean he's a chameleon. He Oh, speaking of chameleon, he could have been the killer at the beginning, because then you would get to see him without his shirt on. That that's the answer. I'll do it. He's the killer at the beginning, and then we get to see him in his little underwear. Yeah, and oh my god, what if that was the only question? Uh, my name's Ivan, and I believe that in Tommy's whatever his last name?
Uh yes, And I think in his first scene he explains to uh queer icon Haley Joel Osman what improv is like he's explaining improv. Um. My question is as a as a non binary comedy fan, how do you feel about the sixth sense actually being about Haley Joel Osment, non binary icon trying to make it in comedy, but having to deal with Tommy does annoying know it all? Improv says that white man. Oh my god, I was just wondering your take on that thing. I thank you.
Oh my god. Wait a second, I need to process for a second. Okay, it's a Joker. It's the prequel to Joker. It's literally you fast forward. Tony Collette is Joker's mom. No, I'm kidding, but no, but wow, what if this is all about Hayley chill Osmond's journey? Should the upright Citizen's breakid? He's like I saw a ghost and then I learned the power of yes, son, and now my life is he really did? I mean literally, all he does is yes and the ghost and he listens.
That's such a big part of listens. He listens to the ghosts, you know, and he doesn't respond irrationally because that would be a bad scene. Wow, Wow, everyone should take class is a good good I guess that's what we're saying there. That's why I first I had that written down of like the worst character in the story happens to mention improv can't be a mistake, can't be a mistake, something to consider any other I think we have time for one more question comment if if such
a thing exists. Yes, I have a bit of a two parter. I'm sorry, I'm afraid this is this is contrary to the spirit of the of the show, but I wanted to comment on your your outfit for a moment. What if I was like stormed out. It's I mean, okay, so we have we have like seventies themed children's bedsheet, homemade mini skirt cowboy themed. One of them is topless. Oh, I mean you'll find that all of it. Okay, I
don't have the best view. It's incredible. You have a single pocket in the middle of your chest, like I found a piece of popcorn in it. It's like pockets. Yeah, it's amazing. I'm sorry, thank you, thank you. Related to movies, for for a long time, there was there was a
great controversy on one of the popular Beckdel websites. I'm sorry if you've already covered this, but the Lego movie, whether or not it passed the beck Deel hast hinged on whether or not you considered Princess Unikitty a woman, and I was hoping that you could weigh in on that. Caitlin I, of course have seen both Lego movies. Um, I do consider Princess Unikitty a woman? Do they refer to her in the movies with she her? I think so, I think they do, right, I've seen the movies, but
I think I think so. I don't know. When I watched the Lego movie, I'm just like, I have a crush on Phil Lord. Yes, take away from that, I think we just have to cover the Lego movie. Now. Yeah, that's really adequately answer your question. We should? We should? I think like a soft yes, a soft yes. And speaking of the Bechdel test, does this movie the sixth Cents pass? Dies? Well? I mean it's kind of okay. So I say, when a mother kills her child that is also a female child, it passes. But I mean
that her first name, she's such an insignificant character. I feel like, I feel like one feels like she's really important. For some reason. There's an argument to be made for it passed because we do know Misha Barton's character's name, which is Kira, right, and then we know her last name, and then it's there's the Mr and Mrs character. First of all, I think it's really funny if that scene
passes the back to second. I feel like because like if it would be a little different for me if the father was given a first name and the mother wasn't. But neither of them were given a first name. They are Mr and mrs. We do find it out forget so I say, bleaching your daughter's soup cannon? Okay, then I'll say yes as well. Um so give it up for the six cents for murdering of several women. Um uh, let's write the movie on our nipple scale. I truly have no idea, so zero of five nipples based on
its representation of women. I mean, it's quite neutral. It's not this movie doesn't hate women. It's not brutal and cruel to women the way that a lot of movies, especially from that year where I mean between fight Club movies that like m Night Shimelin worked on, like Cruel Intentions comes out this year The Mummy Never Been Kissed. A lot of like really regressive movies that treat women horribly. This movie doesn't do that. So feminist text, No, I'm kidding.
I mean I think it just sort of makes the choice is made at some point of like I don't know how to write female characters, so I won't, which is not the solution to that problem, but it's it is better than saying I'm going to write female characters to complete stereotypes and to like only service the male characters I want to. And there's no narrative reason whysoever why the child who sees dead people couldn't be a little girl. There's no reason why the child psychologists couldn't
have been a woman. Like it's just yeah, the movies were like, well, these better be male characters. No one, we'll say it right, And there is I mean, there's like some I think it is nice that I don't
know who like busting this trope benefits. But the idea of like the quote unquote evil child who is like communicated with by the other world is usually made out to be fully the villain of the movie, where you've got like the bad seed, you've got Damien from the Omen and usually if like a kid can communicate with the other side, they are the devil. But in this case they're the sweetest baby angel whoever lives. It's progressive.
It's progressive in terms of children who can speak to ghosts, so you know, and again because he's helping women talk to other women. He's advocating for Misha Barton ghosts. Um, I don't know, it's like a one and a half. Yeah, you know, because you're just like women are there and they're they're they're not that important to the story, but they're you know, the male characters aren't cruel to them. They're they're they're costs playing. Sure, sure they're Scooby Doo
cos they're sure. They're only like wives, mother's daughters, very stereotypical female roles. Yes, but one and a half one and a half, and I'm going to give one to Tony Collette and then I'm going to give the last two. It doesn't feel right to get Taylee Joel Osmond is too young to give him a nipple in this smoothie, So I'll give it to um mommy murderer, Mrs bleach soup. I believe her character's nipples. I'll give my one and a half nipples to his wife because she deserved better.
We should have learned more about her. The only thing we know is that she is sad and on so loft, I guess, which is horrible. Remember to talk to your loved ones while they sleep. That will solve all your problems. Um, thank you so much for coming. Give it up for yourselves. All right, folks, that was our episode on the sixth Sense.
We did want to add in really quickly that the evening after this we did watch Sex Said on two Be And that's not an endorsement of two because the movie is wildly offensive and also just boring and hard to watch. Yeah, it is. So when we recommended you watch it during the live show, we weren't joking. We were, but we didn't even realize we shouldn't have even recommended it as a joke. It's wildly problematic and we're so
we're withdrawing. We take back the recommendation. But you know, as you heard it killed in the room, so true, so to be is canceled. Moving on, Thank you to everyone who came to the show. That was such a blast, and of people who came to the stand up show afterwards. We love our Philadelphia fans. Thanks to anyone who asked a question me to comment. Who bought merch at the
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to cover our own asses. It was too late. But so my one last thing is that during the live show towards the end, when people were making audience were like you know, asking questions and making comments and stuff. Um, someone asked a question about whether or not the Lego movie passes the Bichtel Tesla. There's this whole discussion on it, well, it does un a kitty does she count as a woman. And I totally forgot to mention that un a kitty, whether or not she identifies as a human woman, she
definitely does have eight nipples. And as cat facts with Caitlin, thank you. This is and we're recording this a month and a half later, I was like editing the episode and everyone the whole thing is like it sounds like I'm gearing up to be like, well, I have the answer to this and it's that you and a kitty has eight nipples, and then I just like didn't remember my own bit, so I'm doing it now. I like it, you get it, Thank you so much and with that,
have a great week. Yeah you say it's day safe Bye bye