The Rock with Miles Gray

that's critical. Yeah, our listeners need to know that we are allies to women. What if they came in, like, what if they're not allies to women? I think that'd be kind of like an insidious fun place to start. Oh, like you know that podcast Analyze Fish. Like it's like, yeah, oh, this is a podcast where you convince me to like fish. Where this is a podcast where you, Caitlin convinced me Jamie to like and respect women. I'm like, you know what,

I not sold, Well, they kind of seem like idiots. Well, the movie we're talking about today, I know we're we're recording in a different space with different I think you should just address what's going on. We are recording in our normal building, right, normal structure of Meltdown Comics, But we're in a uh not normal space right because a bunch of things have happened. We haven't recorded in a while. Um,

some things have happened since then where Maltdown Comics. The historic comic book store in Hollywood, California is closing down, which also means the comedy venue that I do the programming for is also closing down. So yeah, we're recording in a different podcast studio which is adjacent to our normal space. But an Aristotle is not here. He's not here today. Did you and ours have fun last night at the movies? Yes, we saw a Pacific room too. Oh that's so. I liked it better than the first one.

That's good. What was better about it definitely more women, um, a more streamline story that was easier to follow, not a billion characters who all looked the same and therefore you don't know who's doing what. That's good. And John Boega is a much more charismatic leading man than Charlie Huntum, I mean, John Beega is very hot, John Bayoga, listen, let me just go off the rails very unpopular opinion JK.

John Beaega very high well cool, full body paralysis every time John Beega is visually in front of me in any resolution. Hey, folks, this is an example of a conversation that would not pass the Bechtel tests. Interesting because we're talking about a man in the Bechdel Tests, which podcast is inspired by. I have a lot of for the movie we're talking about today, I have a lot

of asterisks to the Bestel test. What would you kind of have to I think even in a movie where women are certainly not the focus, and if they are, they better be pregnant as well, I think that that is Yeah. So the Actel test requires that a movie has two female characters. They have to have names, they have to talk to each other, and with our version of the Bechtel test, they have to have a at

least two line exchange. So one woman says one thing, another one woman responds to her, and neither of those can be about a man. Shall we demo? Yes? Let us demo? Okay, Jamie, what's your favorite flavor of soup? Hi, Caitlin, I think soup is hot water and it is a big old racket and I don't believe in it, Jamie. I agree, hot water with flavors in it? What are you vitamin water but left in the sun? Stupid? That passes the back to Certainly, it doesn't have to be

good writing. We have to say over and over and over, it doesn't have to be good. So we'll figure out whether or not this movie passes the Backtel test well talk about is portrayal Lemon infuriating, infuriating to This movie is infuriating to me at a number of levels, so many, but on this level specifically, because it just this movie is the ultimate proof that the Betel test is flawed. Is flawed. Yeah, you can pass it and horrendous showing up a lot of things. And we'll get to that

discussion later on. But first let's introduce our guest. He's wearing a great jacket. It's so soft, it's so tanned. Can I just say it is a hand me down of a Frenchman. I'm wearing a Frenchman's hand me downs and that's the only way to live. I mean, there couldn't be a better backstory for this very nice jacket. We're thrilled to have him. Yeah, the voice you just heard is that of the co host of The Daily ZiT Guys, Oh my God, how stuff works Network, Miles Gray. Hi, Hi, welcome.

Thank you so much for having me. I am really excited when you first asked me to do this. I was just sure what movie we would do when you were like, what movies do you like? Like in jes like I love The Rock also knowing full wether this is a terrible movie, but I'm so glad we picked it. I'm because I rewatched it with a critical eye because I think I was telling Caitlin before, like every time I've watched it, it's just kind of been like on and that was the last time. My thought was maybe

like eight years ago. So to watch it now with the critical eye in this is like a t n T, Like you turn on t n T and this is on in the middle of it. I think by law it had to be on at some point at least twice in one weekend, like whether it's t NT or f X, it was always on. And it's one of those movies. It's one of my favorites, where you do I've seen Bits and Peace. This is the first time I've seen the movie all the way through I will

say thirty six hours ago. I'm improving. But this is one of those movies that I've seen chunks of over the years, and it's always the T n T edit where it's like, that's not what Sean Connery said in the movie, but I'm not quite sure what he actually said. Think I know what you're talking about. I love a t NT edit. My name's Buck, and I came here at a party. That's all. This is happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps. The other one from Big Lebowski a stranger in the in the what does

the original met a stranger in the Alps? That's I mean, truly, the ultimate creative challenge is to be the one who edits for T T. Yeah, and then but even though that, you have like the freedom to just be like, honestly, I think meet a stranger in the Alps is the only thing that's gonna work. And they're gonna like, alright, fuck it. You know what. He's a pro. Yeah, he's a pro. He knows how to make words sound like

other words without context. Whoever did kill bo One did a real bang up job and I love them there. I have not seen that part. That's that it really is. I came here to party. My name is Buck, and I came here to party. Feminist icon Buck, lots of lots of feminist icons in The Rock, which is a movie that for all you idiots out there like me, the Rock does not appear one time I was waiting for a Rock cam. Oh, he does not come. Dwayne Johnson not in this movie. Dwayne Johnson absent, which already

is like, do I like this movie? Hard to see? So you hadn't seen bits and pieces of this before? I mean very bits and pieces. I knew that Nick Cage and Sean Connrew were in a movie together and found that to be interesting. I didn't remember that it was a Michael Bay joint and that that adds a lot peak. This is well, this is a peak Bay. Stop that right now, Thank you so much. My coat and I have to go Jean Paul's coat and I

have to do and I must go some miles. When did you first see so sorry, when did you see The Rock? Oh my god, I'm sorry. I had to get high after watching the movie because I was so fucked up. I was like, I need weed after seeing this. So you're catching me there, and I also have a piece on the way here. Um. But the first time I saw it was in the theater, so I'm like

twelve years old. This was like in the period when there were blockbusters in the summer and you were like, movie, these are like the big tent pole movies come out, and it didn't matter what the funk it was, you just need to see it because it was such a spectacle and the movie like that, It's effect on me was like pretty profound. At the time, I thought I wanted to be like a Navy seal because of the movie,

Like it indoctrinated me very well. That is something I had a question about because I was I was too young to see this movie when it came out. I And also it's like even if I was old enough, it wouldn't have been aligned. Like I don't think that this is a movie in the nineties you would have taken a young girl to see, right. Well, you know, it's weird that people would just take their whole families.

I remember, like I went with a group of people and like the Little Sister Games, she was like six, and it's just like, hey, the big movies out, let's go to the all see it. By the time I was in middle school high school, there was such a reputation for all the boys who were like getting into the military and the idea of going into the military. It was always Navy, Sales and Marines and like these

are the badass branches of the military. And I feel like it's movies like this that really pushed that agenda. And that's such a Michael Bay thing to push a very specific view of very specific branches of the military that like really took hold of young people's brains. And it's weird to watch now and be like, oh, this is why all the boys I went to school with thought Marines were like the fucking coolest is because Ed Harris and his baldass head were doing their best and

n like it's just crazy. And the Navy seals too, like the technology they were using and they're just like this superbero type ship. To me as a twelve year old kid, was like very appealing and god like. I remember right after I like begged my parents to buy me like Urban Camel, like that gray and white, like those fatigues that Ed Harrison those guys were, because I

was like, that's I'm gonna dress forever. Because of this moment, I feel like you're touching on something very important, which is when young people see movies like this, they're like, Oh, I want to be like that person. So if a young girl saw women being in the military, they'd be like, Oh, I can be in the military. Very two but so little. But I would argue that this is such an inaccurate

representation of the military. It's basically like, I'm not saying about this movie specifically for women, but I'm saying there were movies that made like women in stem seem cool, or women in like computer science, or like women in law seem really cool, we would see more women trying to do jobs like that is like a laser guided

missile for testosterone. This is film which is kind of like an overarching theme in all of Michael Basbok where even if you get into the Transformers franchise and again I feel like I do this every other episode, but

I will direct people to friends of the cast. Lindsay Ellis is really great video essay series on the Transformers series, but there's very strong pro military themes in the Transformers series to where like this is just like a big overarching theme of Michael Bay's work, which is always kind of regarded as like, well, these movies are not good, but everyone's going to see them, so they are very relevant and from what I could tell, and I tried to backtrack and do some research on how this movie

was reviewed at the time, which was pretty well. I mean it got three and a half stars from Ebert. It got like this movie was well reviewed, right, which is crazy to watch it now and be like, oh, yeah, great. But but this was like peak block. This is the same year that Mission Impossible comes out. This is like peak action dudes, military adjacent shit is like this specific years when all the big ones come out, and this

is the most successful of that year. But even now, just last year, the A V Club wrote this big piece on How the Rock, which is sort off, I feel like I've forgotten Michael bay movie. Now, I don't think so. I see, I had never heard of it. I thought it was a vehicle for the Rock, the rock stars in the Rock. But the movie is so well,

it's well. I read a few different pieces of saying like this is Michael Bay is technically, structurally, ETCETERA best movie, maybe not most memorable, but best in terms of putting a movie together with a story that makes sense. Is the closest he's gotten to making a cohesive narrative. But I've never heard of it. See I've heard of it for you. So my backstory with this is I only saw it for the first time almost exactly a year ago, because I remember posting on Facebook because for years I

was always like, fuck Michael Bay. I hate him. He's a horrible director and he sucks. And everyone's like, well, have you seen The Rock? And I'm like no, people would be like, that's the one you would like The Rock.

The Rock is actually a good movie. So I like heard all the stuff I Caitlin, you will like The Rock, And I think, like, I genuinely think that that is a thing when we're looking at male directors versus female directors or male directors, if you have one good one, they're always like, no, he's actually good, because have you seen this movie that came out twenty two years ago, right, But if it's a female director, if she makes one bad one, it's like all her previous successes are completely

but yeah, that this seems to be the one that people direct you to have, like, well, Michael Bay was at one point semi competent. But I wouldn't. I wouldn't like cape for it, like then be like, you know, you would really like the word to say that. I've had no less than ten different people said that exactly to me, Well, yeah, it kind of sucks, but the rocks pretty good, and I think you'd like it. And

then I watched it and I fucking hated it. I think maybe it's terrible unless it's like the caveat of like it's the most brainless peak nineties action film. But I wouldn't. I would be I would attached so many caveats, wouldn't be like you're going, you know what, I peaks cinema there once I found out this was a Michael Bay joint, and also reading the behind the scenes stuff for this movie is wild and that like there's who's the guy Don, what's his name? Producer? Okay, so Don

Simpson in the middle of production for this movie. He's like the big producer who works with Bruckheimer and works with Michael Band. This movie dies of a coke over a few months. Not to laugh at someone's cooke overdose, but this is peak nineties, like toxic male, like we're gonna make a movie about seals, and then one dies of a coke overdose and then like the twist at the end is it's dedicated to this guy who had

a coke overdose. There's also I'm getting way ahead of myself, but I do need to say now, Nick Cage is the protagonist technically one of two in this movie. I would say, yeah, I would say technically like the poster protagonist, where you know Sean Connery is like the villain, but not really, Like there's no there's a lot of straight, white male heroes, but are they villains? But there's so nuance. But if they weren't like white and straight, probably they

would just be villains. But anyways, Nick Cage at the end of this movie, the last line he delivers is basically a prequel to National Treasure, where he's like, Babe, did you know who the real killer of cas? I was like, are you reading the fucking back of the Declaration of Independence right now? Dude? Like, are you it was for good? MAUI? Before the way he looks at that microphone is so amazing too. What about Nick Cage?

Just like we have to give him a Chekhov's gun style prop that reveals in that scene that we haven't seen yet in the Do they not even have a dog at their house? Don't? At the end, it's like, oh, I guess they got married, but like and then pretending to be like broke because they're like, we're in this shitty VW. Beetle Right, Kansas, Kansas, Walton, Kansas. Oh okay, I'm sorry. I was not watching this movie. I just

watched it, and I have a picture graphic memory. I was remembering that do you really front pew right leg? You know? That's awesome? No, it's only for The Rock, though it's asking about any other it is. Remember, I've been going to a lot of therapy and I'm being to see it as a strength. Yeah. Sorry, I won't know that. Fine triggered. Um, you're actually activating my coping skills. That's a great way to look at the should do the recap, Okay, I'll do. I'll do this so freaking fast.

So The Rock is about so as you said, not the Rock, not Dwayne the Rock Johnson. But the protagonist is Nicolas Cage. His character's name is Stanley good Speed, good Speed. What a reveal He is a like chemical expert, chemicals weapons expert for the FBI. He gets called in to help with this hostage situation that takes place where and Harris's character, whose name is Frank Hummel, is a

which is a weird choice. Hummel is a German porcelain statue, was interested in what the deal with the whole hummele thing was. But I crack, yeah, my grandma would like collect hummels. They're like these weird German porcelain, very commercial statues where it would be like Christian horribles in porcelain. And then okay, I know we interrupt, I know we

interrupted the thing constantly. But the two writers credited on this movie, who are not, thankfully I think for their own reputations, not visually credited and also because of writer's guilt rules, Sorkin and Tarantino contributed to the script for The Rock. Yeah, so it's impossible to say where these names come from or what these specific things I find interesting comes from. But there are a lot of good writers involved in this movie, but few of them are

actually credit. There's like a quote about how Sorkin like wrote quote most of the good dialogue or something like that. I mean, of course there Simpsons. You know, Sorkin loves Coke too, so they're probably all just like flying off code. So it was apparently Aaron Sorkin Tarantino. And then the three credited screenwriters were David Weiseberg, Douglas Cook, and Mark Rosner. So a bunch of freaking men wrote this movie. Cool alright. So anyway, the story is Frank Hummel is like a

Marie like black Ops. He was doing things commanded by the government that we're technically illegal and then not compensated fairly or you know, just various injustices were done to like him and his fellow Marines and their families and things like that. A lot is done to humanize the villain in this and which is I think Michael Bay thing that is normally not thought about, right. He well, he literally sets his stakes up in the first thing by talking to his wife's grave. I would say, he

screams that his wife, I'm so sorry. His wife's grave says Barbara Hummels, his wife. I was like wife. And secondly, it's the first thing his wife I guess because they're already pre like designing the plots. So he'll be there, and then I'll be Yeah. She she is only defined on her gravestone by her relationship. Yeah, maybe they'll finally

listen to me. There. God, when this movie starts with like a Jerry Bruckheimer joint, a Michael Bay joint, You're like, Okay, so there's gonna be a lot of men with veneers in this movie. Crazy. Then you find out the movies about Alcatraz, You're like, great. And then you find out about poor fucking Barbara Hummel. Ed Harris, who is I will say, doing his very best in this whole movie. I love it. I mean, I have such a soft spot for character actors, and Ed Harris has been sidelined

his entire life and I love him. But he, I mean, there's only so much you can do. He screams at his wife's grape. He says, I miss you so much. Everyone screams. Movie. Michael Bay's directing style is more screaming, Please scream louder, like, yeah, it's a lot. Hey, the rain is really loud. Imagine she can't hear you through the rain, Ed, you're screaming at her ghost Dad, You're dumb bitch, right, like you know he's like just screaming profanity.

Is that everyone at all times, and so no one, no single actor, could be held accountable for whatever atrocities take places in the movie. Okay, so it hare's his character Um. In response to the injustices that he feels has been directed at him, he takes a bunch of people, like tourists hostage in Alcatraz. So eight one tourists are

taking hostage. It's the most diverse group of people we see in the entire movie, where there's a lot of there's young people, there's old people, there's black people, there's Hispanic people. There's all sorts of people we'd never see, never check in with them. Yeah, I don't need to. Except for the crying father white hostage death exactly, we

see a series of racist caricatures. We see a crying white hostage and then we basically forget that the most diverse seen just reinforces the crazy stereotypes because one cell is like the clueless elderly Asian people and like the angry black dude who's like, man, this is a tour and then they go to like, Okay, well so we have angry black man. Now let's go to sassy black woman and gun. Yeah, it's like and then this film, like you know, that's why I says like peak nineties

of sort of like this completely. You know, this was normal, and it's almost like like you could tell people almost had to write these like and then you know we're gonna have to have like a sassy black woman say something here, you know what I mean. It was like, yeah, this movie has all of the great tropes in it. Oh and then like the character who is coated as gay, the stylist who comes in shot. We'll get we'll get

to that. But you can't. You can't just bring in a stereotype for two minutes and then discard the character forever. More concisely than this movie, yeah, and truly emasculate the character. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. Okay.

So Ed Harris is holding all these people hostage and has these missiles filled with this the most deadly chemical ever to be known by a man, and he's threatening to fire these missiles on the city of San Francisco if the government does not comply with his demands, which is that he and his group of probably like I don't know, fifteen or so Marine black ops people like him, right, these like rogue marines. They all want to be paid one million dollars each and you have forty hours to

do it. So everyone, like people at the White House, the Pentagon, military people, they all gather in this conference room, almost entirely men. They gather up a team basically of I think also Marines, Seals. They're the good guys. They're the good guys. And then they get Nick Cage because of his chemical weapons expertise, and they're like, but we don't know how to get in and save these hostages.

We need someone who has been to Alcatraz because like the places, there's like no blueprints and all this stuff has died. No one knows anything, right, So they're like, well, we have one last chance with this guy named John Mason played by Sean Connery, who is the only person to have ever successfully escaped Alcatraz. So they find him, they bring him in. They like through Alcatraz, they get into the prison ed Harris is all like, Candy here,

I'm doing my best. He's doing his best. But so most of the Navy seals get killed in the standoff, and the only people who are left of the good guys is good Speed and Mason. So they have to figure out a way to find all the missiles because there's fifteen in them, I think, and Nick Kge has to disassemble them or like make it so the like destroy the tracking chips or whatever, sort of vaguely like

a video game directive. Like at some point this movie missiles and take guidance chip, right, and then every time that they do that like a new challenge. I'm like this, at some point the plot of this movie does begin to feel like a bad video again, right, What did you notice? One of the last Navy seals to die is the actor Danny Nucci, who is Fabrizio. He's texted me about this so good I missed it. I straight I straight up slip oh. I. I was like, that's

Fabrizio from is Iconic. He's like, it's silver Fox now he is very hot. It's like, yeah, anyway, I thought you'd appreciate that because I know Titanic is. I was genuinely very upset with myself because I went back and I was like, of course that's Fabrizio. But there are

so many random b characters. I would say that there's three maybe four in this movie that when their their Navy seals and when they're killed, you heard the little like and you're like, wait, who's that character for they're bleeding out, You're just like, wait, but who is that? Have you heard them speak? It's like senseless killing of Americans killing Americans right, and it's just like, oh, he

was a hero. All those scenes. There's like three different scenes where three characters I could not tell you who they were if you had a gun to my head. There's a two minute scene about how sad it is that they died. Dude, just like, whom is that? Well? Speaking of guns, there's a ton of them in this movie, and a lot of them are being shot and fired

into other people. So like a bunch of people are dying. Um, good speed and Mason managed to find most of the missiles, but there's like one left and then the green almost yeah, I mean they're all like that. They're all the they're all the missiles and I don't know, I listen, I don't know about missiles. Do I think that they actually look like Nickelodeon slime? I'd be surprised, surprised. I think

the art department had a good time with that. Really, they look like like those like, yeah, like a huge colander, major league, they're major league anile beans. These are not for weekenders, do you have Yeah, this is for this is for an ass. Yeah, this is for a real as. This is a you feel an So basically, there's like one final standoff where most of the rest of the bad Marine dudes die, but Nick Cage has to like

fun the one last missile. There's this whole fight and then he saves the day, he disassembles it whatever, and then what's his name? Mason is like, oh, now I'm going to have to go back and be in jail again, and he's like, not if I tell them, you die, so he lets him escape. The homie does right help help you fake your friend's death. I hope you guys have that kind of relationship. Jamie what happened to Jamie? And you're looking at her and you're like, she's done vaporized,

She's vaporized. She she told me where the anal beads were and then she disappeared. So, yeah, the good guys save the day on the city of San Francisco safe. None of these guys save the day, because if you think about it, all, Ed Harris was really advocating for

it was better veteran care. Right. His whole thing was like I want a hundred million dollars eighty three of it for the men that I lost and discarded like that was the thing was like, this is like a weird, uncanny valley situation, much like I would argue the original Ghostbusters the enemy being the e p A like where you're just like, are they really the enemy? Are they? Like?

Why are why are we supposed to say that? Where I mean ed Harrison where his practice is perfect, they were, They weren't bad, but he knew when he lost after he was like, I bluffed they called it. So the mission is over right, you know what I mean? And then the other dudes who kind of take over and then Degreed takes over right, you know what I mean.

I don't this This movie is very weird and also I mean, I think we'll get into this, but like, there is a male friendship that co coagulates through the course of this movie between Nick Cage and Sean Connery, right, but everything that they are bonding over is completely toxic. Where I do I think it's good to see a

movie where two men form a friendship. Yes, I don't think we see that enough, But do I want to see it based on like guns dislike when like you know, they bond on every problematic, weird thing there is possible to bond on, according to Michael Bay and then it's like, but they're friends. It's kind of nice and he should absolutely be in jail because like in the many scenes of destruction in this movie, I would say, we've got hundreds of casualties on our hands that are never addressed.

In the city of San Francisco when they're plowing through, there's like a whole who are like flinging, but all the stuntmen rolled away. You know, it's not get caught under the wheels. It's just like that's what the thing is because it reinforces like this nineties sort of like ignorance of like it's like the most consequence free like film, Like that's a film about people like taking hostages and

potentially like killing an entire city of people. Like there's and that's what the nineties was, you know what I mean, Like there was like cell phones weren't scary yet, you know what I mean. We had internet enough that it helped improve things. But like things hadn't quite turned to like peak scary. And I think this movie like it's such a reflection because like there's no thought given to anything.

This is like right before we get into like the late nineties, like hacker characters of like the Internet scary. Like this is like sort of maybe the last year or so where that doesn't exist any movie. But the three main characters we have in this movie, and hopefully this works as an effective transition, the three main characters we have in this movie are all grounded in or the plot attempts to ground each of them using a

female character. So with Ed Harris, we've got his dead wife script Barbara, his wife, I'm so sorry, and his wife. So his wife is dead, so he's mad and has nothing to lose, and that is the basis of what we have to characterize him with. Then we see Nick Kite, and we see first of all, an actress whom I love because she played Brenda on General Hospital. My mom watched General Hospital every night growing up, and we used to recite the names of the characters during the intro

and it would end with Brenda and Max. So I knew exactly like it's Brenda. But so this was supposed to be Brenda's you know, breakout role didn't work out because it's a bad role. She's forced to be on top of Nicholas cause she's fucking Nicolas k She has pigtails and a feather bow on, and it's like, there's no hope for this woman. There's no there's no career upwardness going on here. But but she is the female character who I would say is the strongest of the movie.

I mean, she gets the most screen time, which is maybe a combined total of two minutes. Like most of it is her crying. A lot of this are crying or being like sassy. Where the most I'll argue for this movie is that she seems smarter than the amount of screen time and credit she's given. She doesn't seem like a stupid person. She's costumed like a stupid person. But it's like, you know, there's no depiction of women having jobs in this movie at all, but her depiction

is that she is Nicholas Cage's girlfriend. And to add and to raise the stakes, not to necessarily have a female character, but to raise the stakes, we have his girlfriend be pregnant. So whenever Nicholas Cage needs a reason to not be dad. He's like, oh god, baby on

the way. And then Branda's brandant right, and then Carla, Carla character's name, but Branda from My General Hospital heads out there, and Ba and Max uh, and then Sean Connery has a daughter, Jade, and then and so there are three female characters anchoring our three male characters, and it's just peak example of like we're only introducing women into this narrative to increase the depth of our male protagonists. One of those three characters is dead and we never

see them on screen. We only see his wife. One of them we only see on screen for one scene, which takes about two minutes, a scene that passes. It doesn't though it does. Stacy and Jane we know their names, but they're talking. I mean, are you okay, well okay, yeah, okay, yeah yeah. And then Carla isn't a number of scenes. But the thing with Carla is that she's poises like this, like you said, like kind of sassy, but also like Naggi, a nuisance, like a distraction. Because there's one scene where

Ni Cage is like, my girlfriend's coming. She's flying into San Francisco and she's pregnant, and and he's like, you need to focus on the matter at hand. So like she's poised as a distraction. She's just basically is there to cause complications for Tripler. And they're like, oh, your your girlfriend is pregnant. Oh no, she's greg nt. I love that breaking that my present. So she's greg nant. No, And it's funny to the way it's revealed to She's like,

how's your day. He's like, the world so fucked up and I'm gonna sick. People would have kids anyways, can take that. Okay, I have a lot to say about that scene. That scene is wild. First time we're seeing a woman in the movie who is not Barbara's grave. There's one woman in the lab there there is a woman hurried out the back of her head running away by bitchet men. Go this, So this is the whole first top ten minutes and Harris screams in a grave.

Nick Cage full has matt suit. Someone melts, and then we got to the first speaking female role in the scene, Nick Cage. Before she comes in. Nick Cage is shirtless, playlistic and endless. He's almost naked. The acoustic guitar like rough at the office someone melted when he's playing is so horrible, bending the notes like damn there, and he's like down. And this is like a magic hour for Nick Cage where he does not yet know that he is going to be considered a bad actor by history.

I would argue, maybe he's not the worst actor. To be fair, he found out he was nominated for Academy Award on this set. Yeah, he won the Academy Awards leaving Las Vegas. Yeah, this is the film directly after leaving Las Vegas. And this movie helps him get like face off and all, like this movie made him an action it made him that other. It's so funny because yeah, he could have gone like that leaving Las Vegas path possitive or he was probably always meant to be like

crazy hair plug dude. This movie sets up National treasure in a crazy way. But but then so okay, So then Brenda comes in and she says, you know, like, how is your day? She says, I had an interesting day? Yes, and then he ignoring her, interrupting her, not giving a funk about what she has to say. I had an interesting day too, And she's like, okay, you go first.

I guess and he's like, she's yeah. So rather than taking rather than taking the time to see what her interesting day was or let her speak, he was just like, my thing is more important, and this is all to set up, and we don't find out from what I can talk, We don't find out. I have to assume Carla Brenda. We have to asume Brenda has a job, right, but we don't find out what it is. I was listening so careful, even a hand of what she might do for work. But he's like someone melded in in FBI.

And she is like, A'm pregnant. It's like pregnant, I'm granted pregnant. She's like, well, what about what you just said? He's like you just He's like, He's like, what it was like about the world not needing you her babies? Like that was seven minutes ago. Has happened? Oh God? Do we know? Did he say her name in that scene? I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's wild. The only time I feel like it's not until ninety minutes into the film I heard the words Carla, are you sure okay?

Because I thought maybe missed it. I thought I did too, and I was like, did I just hear her name for the first time? Now I think you only hear it once and it's like half okay, okay, oh yeah, because this movie is two and a half hours long. It's so long, so yeah, to two hours and sixteen minutes long. And I would say, of the times you see women speaking on screen, it's probably only a minute in thirty seconds. Does someone have a super cut of that,

because I'm pretty sure it would fit into an Instagram video. Totally, absolutely, absolutely So this is a result of there being almost no female characters in the movie V and almost every single scene populated by tons of men. So for example, the lab where Nick Cage is deactivating the bomb that comes in and they think like Sara and Gas might be in. Um, you see, like we said, the back of a woman's head running away. Every other person in

that scene is a man. Then you see a scene where Adheres, his character is naming the terms of like what he wants there in like a conference room. There's two women at the table. Only one of them has one single wine. Granted she is talking about a man

being dead and other men being useless. So that's like if a woman has to say anything, it might as well be that men are dead or useless, and and getting back to Brenda, I do think that, like the one thing I was impressed about in that scene we just talked about with the shirtless pantless cage, like everyone melted and she's like, she she is the one who proposes. Oh yes, But I thought was kind of cool that I did make note of that, because I do like

to see a representation on screen. It's a subversion of the trope, and not only that we see in movies, but we see in real life as well. I don't know how inspiring it is to aspire to be missus Goodspeed, but I did think it was cool that she proposed. And then also he was not like, because I feel like sometimes when you see a woman proposed on screen, the mail feels emasculated by it. He didn't seem emasculated by it. He just seemed like, while someone just melted,

and I'm a little bit overwhelmed. And then he later does agree to that same proposal. But he does agree to that proposal when she has in pigtails, wearing a feather boa and surrounded by what appears to be five hundred candles and Chinese lanterns. It almost like a crazy who set that up? And it reminds me of the Phantom of the Opera's Lair. That's what it looks like like. The only difference is they're not steep two ft deep

in stagnant bog water. That's the only difference. Anyways, Sorry, she does for she procos yes, and I enjoy that. But again, as we say about so many movies that maybe try to subvert a trope for like a split second, I feel like movies like that don't get to do that, and then also hardly portray women or portray them poorly like and only like on the condition that this subversion appears in pigtails and a feather bella. Right, yeah, not

the best. But so back to the scenes that are populated by entirely men or almost entirely men, um all of them, right, pretty much because all of the men forrest moments, I think, the only time when you'll see a woman say something yeah, But there's so many opportunity. I mean, like any of the people that and Harris has with him in his like rogue troop of people all men. All the Navy seals are men. All of the government officials who are sort of in the command

center giving orders and stuff like that. They're all men. It's just like and okay, granted you can say this is there weren't that many women in the military back then. There weren't that many women are own back in Yeah, population, I don't think my mom was even born then. No, no, no, women are common new thing, which is ours on the table at the time. But like my point is, basically, the movies about military have so little representation of women.

In the movies about people in politics, again, there's almost never women in those roles. Yeah. A recent exception is like Annihilation. I think Apportman's characters definitely military, and I can't remember if all the rest of them were, as well, all the rest of the scientists are, they might all be military. It wasn't doing like some whitewashing things that from the friendly adaptation. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, Even so, movies about like the military very rarely have and don't you

can be like, what about g I Jane? Okay, cool one example, but another one, yeah, Renaissance man. I think that movies about the military in particular, and movies like this, this is such a specific moment in time where we're at the top of the Clinton administration of like, you know, these movies come out when the country the movie is putting the movie out in is doing well, flying right, Like this movie does not come out during a recession. This movie would not be made right now, and if

it was, it wouldn't be made successfully. You know. It's like this is the kind of movie that comes out when people are feeling nationalistic vibes and willing to accept

the kind of stuff this movie is portraying. Like this movie would not work right now, and so like the contexts for like this sort of movie doing well, and why there were a million movies very similar to it that we're doing well with similar protagonists and characters and sidelining anyone who wasn't you know, Nick Cage, Tom Cruise, whatever, this action shorting shorts and exactly and and all three of them huge movies that come out in this is

like a very specific, weird moment in time where like America is kind of like you know, it's it's very like a moral kind of time, yeah, I mean yeah, And then like I said, there was no need to think about anything that deep because everything, so everyone's needs were met I mean for the most part, like in the country, and again were we were living in the best of times, because I think the nineties basic straight white men's needs were meant what I mean, like I

meant like just more from like an economic sort of standpoint of sort of like how the sort of sentiment in the country was Yeah, for sure. And this movie makes back it's budget almost five times. Like, this movie does incredibly well. And the only previous Michael Bay like thing was Bad Boys, which was kind of a fluke because it was an indie movie that ended up doing really well. And so this is the movie that like puts Michael Bay on the black guys. What it's a fluke,

put three white guys in a movie Michael Bays. See what happens? Hey, it goes very well, very well. Well, what I'm trying to say is that you know, you could argue at the time, oh, it's unteen, not as many women in the military yet, not as many women

in government positions yet. But if you put women in those roles in movies, even if it's not necessarily super reflective of how it's working in society, people are going to see and they're gonna say Oh, there's a woman in a government like a general position in the military. Oh there's a woman working at the Pentagon. Oh, I could do that too. And basically it's just upsetting that there were opportunities for several of these characters to be

women in this movie. None of those opportunities were capitalized on. And then you have a whole just like the whole whole generation of young people seeing only men being in roles like this, no opportunities for young girls to see themselves represented on screen, and then they're like, Wow, I can't be in the military because yeah, I have complicated feelings about not being represented in a movie like this.

I hindsight am ad that, Like, and not to say I'm I'm glad that women are not represented in military roles in movies. I'm glad that women are not representing in military roles in this movie because this is such a toxic, so many steps removed of what the actual

stakes of a military job actually is. Like, this is such a false depiction of that whole lifestyle where I feel like young boys like you miss We're seeing this, like you get such a fake idea of what the military is and it's all action and it's all valor, and it's all this stuff that a lot of military movies push on you that ends up kind of militarizing youth and also giving them a total false idea of

what being a hero is. And that frustrates me on the behalf of young boys seeing this movie is being sold an idea that is false, and we'll put them in danger one day. And so I'm grateful that, like, you know, you don't see women putting themselves because I would feel the same way if I if I saw a woman putting herself in danger in a very false way.

And so it's tricky. I just think Michael Bay should just be in prison and be allowed to make movies because there's no there's with military movies in particular, that's such a tricky genre because it's so rarely depicted accurately because it's you know, it's hard to make a movie about the military that doesn't want to glorify because they

all function as recruiting tools exactly. And that's probably I'm sure like with this, like with most films, like whenever you have like scenes depicting any kind of military hardware, like that's with the Blessing of the military. We'll loan you this ship for your movie. But also like we're gonna we have script notes. You can't make it look bad, you can't make it look on cool. That's the trade

of a lot of people don't realize. Like if you see tanks and like real ship in films, that's because the military is like they've signed off on it, and like that's what Top Gun was to like that was their Air Force screening tool because they were like, you want these jets, well, let's make sure this is as favorable depiction of the military as possible or like the most like the best version of like, dude, I want to be fucking Goose and ice man, you know what

I mean. The military movies on a base level, they it's hard because it's like, you know, they have to exist. They are such like the military is a big part of a culture, but it it's it's you can't really unless you have access to stuff that would be very difficult to access, you can't make an accurate depiction of it. And so every time I see like a young person seeing a military movie, it just like makes me feel

very conflict because they're being sold a false narrative. And I hate seeing young men being sold a false narrative. I don't want young women to be sold the same false narrative. So I don't know, Yeah, I wouldn't want to be a ten year old girl seeing woman in a movie like being like I'm great at military stuff and then being like I should do the same thing. But it's a fake thing. It's right because I think

we need to demilitarize our country. There's two I mean, the military budget to see anyone billion dollars and the education budget is like, here have two dollars for textbooks, mean, while they're like you have eighty jillion dollars for the military, and it's it's like, hey, let's maybe prioritize. So this, I mean, this is a large cultural question, like you know, it's like I feel like it's a very easy answer to be like, we see so many men shooting guns

on screen. Shouldn't we see women shooting guns on screen? And I'm like, I think we should see less men shooting guns on screen, and that you know, like, do I think it should be equalized? And should we see female action heroes? Absolutely? Should we see the same amount of female like violent female action heroes? As men, no, because there shouldn't be that many, and so it's like

there's so many. I just don't. I just hate saying children being like made to be like you know what would be like very you go girl, cool if you were also extremely violent, like like if you with a fucking fire extinguisher, right, which is cathartic and cool for for any gender on the spectrum. But do you want to show that to any gender in the spectrum when their kids. I don't probably not know. Every movie should

be very boring as what I'm saying. Honestly, Michael Bay, you could have just made this a PS about veteran care and say everyone the headache the villain is the one who's pro veteran Care's basically saying, y'all are mistreating the veterans, and they're like, well, and you guys aren't listening to the point that I will fake kill Americans to get my point across because the government isn't listening to your needs. Wow. I mean in a way Ed Harris,

Ed Harris I think really does milk money. Milk money with Ed Harrison, he's like the nature guy and like and like his him, his son, his friends go to this city to pay a prostitute because they want to see a woman naked for the first time. I'm sorry, sex worker for the first time because they're like fourteen and they're like, we've never we've not men until we've seen a naked woman. And then they go. Then he wants her to be his mom and like tries to

hook him up with Ed Harris. But it's crazy because I think these films came out within a year of each other, and so on one side you have crazy veteran Ed Harris and then like nerd like single dad in Harrison. That's why character actors are so interesting to me. It's like, in the space of a year, they will sometimes do like, Okay, this is how they paid their rent and this is how they spent the rest of their time. Like no one has done a career retrospective

on Ed Harris. I bet it's fucking fast. I think the amount of different ship was it a few years before this that he was. The first movie I ever saw him in was Apollo thirteen, which is a movie I watched probably like thirty times as a kid. I don't know why I was on so much. I used to confuse Apollo thirteen and the movie that happens because of the Rock, which is Armageddon, that's the next president. Well, then they'll say that it was John Mason James Bond too.

There's that. Yeah, there's like I was looking at weird sh about the movie. There's like what about this James Bond theory? Like, no, I don't need that to be Well, let's get back to those characters because at some point, once it's established in the Cage and Sean Connery are going to be friends, it gets very silly where they're basically quipping at each other for like consecutive minutes through

various obstacles. There's there's one line where Nick Cage says something and then Sean Connery replies with, Oh, my days, aren't that exciting now because I just read a lot of philosophy and avoid getting gang raped in the washrooms. And then he says it's not as much of a problem these days. I think I've lost my sex appeal. And it's like, oh, you don't president about rape. God, Like we don't even need to talk about everything that's

wrong with there's not time to unpack. But like there's okay, So I hate this movie so much. It's horribly directed. I hate Michael Bay. He sucks so much. Nick Cage overacts every single scene he's in. Every line read of, every line is terrible. Like there's just but I I stand for Nick Cage. I hate him. He sucks, but he's amazing, amazing raising Arizona and I like him Moonstruck and I don't mind him an adaptation and every other movie he's in. He needs to be used exactly. I

feel like Nick Cage can be directed very well. Well, there are some lines that he says in this movie that I just want to point out. And then a few other lines from other characters. One of the dance start very coming to theaters again. No, we're getting him to do the read. So if I have a few of my favorite lines, Nick Cage says something like, and I'm going to try to get this line read right,

where he's just like, what do you say? We cut the chit chat a whole volume control is all right, whole And he's like, how in the name of Zeus is but did you escape yourself? It's just oh god, there because nerds don't curse, there is but whole so and then Sean Connery says, he makes a really funny joke that we all just laughed, HI laugh at where he says, you're you're between the rock and a hard case say that. I don't know at some point where I think they thought it was the funniest joke in

the world. I think I was suffering so much my brain just forgot about that one. I for sure missed some stuff in this movie, so annoyed was just like, oh, she's I had to tune up for a minute. My favorite joke that is not a joke that needs to be fully explained top to bottom in this movie is the rocket man joke. Towards the end, I don't listen to that. So Nicholas catch and another Navy cel who he's about to Gil Nichols says, hey, ever heard a rocket man? And then the guy says, I don't listen

to that soft ash ship. And then Nicholas Cage proceeds to explain the joke. Well, I asked, because it's about I only bring it up because it's you pause, You're the rocket man, and then shoots him with a rocket fence post or something. There's so many like quips in this movie where You're just like, could have used a second draft, could have paid Aaron Sorkin a day, right, No, that was Aaron Sorkins. He's like that stays. There's a fun line. I think. I don't remember exactly who says this.

It might be Sean Connery, but he says something like losers are blah blah blah. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen. I don't know if you know this, but women are not actually with the people. We are rewards. Women are rewards that men get to go home and have sex and have sex with because they're waiting in a bed brone for a man to enter. Candles, pigtails, feather po ain't pregnant. I'm gregnant and I'm laying on the bed out with my arms out, just paused. My

life is on pause, but not visually gregnant. That would be gress, that'd be gross in it. You put your gregnant in me, greg Nancy, I can't. One last thing I got to say is that we high risk Gregory. We don't see any cats in this movie, but a cat dog A cat is mentioned because Nicholas Cage says that he killed his cat with his chemistry set when he was a kid. He does. So now it's a good time to mention that cats do have eight nipples. This is cat facts with Caitlin. Okay, eight nipples yeah,

male cats too? Yes? Wow, do you as a man have the same number of nipples? Because I had like, like I had a male dog that I felt like I couldn't find all its nipples and I was like, oh where these things go? Were you searching actively? As a kid? I was curious because I was like, oh, I was like this cat has at and I'm like in this boy dog when I was like three, I

don't know. Well, they dragged on the ground four down when you're just nippy and started to just dreg nip sliding on the you're slipping on your own nips and sorry I brought it up. Sorry I tripped on my nips? Here? Can we? I do want to talk a little bit more about the stylist character. Okay, so I do we

have time for a protein pack? He? Oh. There was one character who I would argue is a queer icon who I was shocked only appeared in one Seeing Ranger Bob I think it was who shows around Alcatraz and he's like, this is Alcatraz, and I was like, queer icon, he's amazing. He says something like welcome to Broadway. Right, he literally drops Broadway. I was like, this is such a Michael Bay weird view of queerness. But for for the Ranger Bob character, it really works for me. He's

wearing khankies, a very tight wool socks, very confident. He's like, welcome to Alcatraz. It's basically Broadway. And I was like, what a queer icon. I love him. You never see him again, Like many great potential be characters, he disappeared. What's a matter? Fells? Something wrong with the tour? And then yeah, I mean comma fellas comma queer. I amazing, loved it. Hey fella, so confusing queer icons but just old timey people, so brag. I have a few game

ol friends. I know I have friends you guys, And I asked them how they felt about representation of characters like this stylist who are coded as being gay but not necessarily explicitly stated. So one of one of my friends said that, um, if a movie character is gay, they want to know because the character explicitly states it, not because the movies relying on like harmful stereotypes to

communicate that information. Another one of my friends said that they're okay with like a feminine gay men being portrayed on screen because that is how some gay men present, but they would want that content to be made by like a gay creator, like a director and stuff like that, because when it's someone like Michael Bay, who was notorious for treating all of his characters like archetypes and stereo antagonistic, Yeah, yeah,

I would. I would direct people to a documentary that I saw a couple of years ago I really enjoyed, called the Gay Word for a further exploration of how gay characters are depicted by like especially straight, often male filmmakers, and also gets really deep into the gay villains trope that is popular for decades and decades of just like how code gate characters appear on screen, and depending on who the filmmaker is, how that affects how harmful it. Yeah, yeah,

what you called the gay Word? Great? To check it out? I sure will. Yeah. There's a line that Ed Harris says at some point in the movie that goes like this, mars are his wife Menacing is a name before the year she was born. His life, his fucking wife. Literally, But again, it's like we're talking about the coding of a movie. His wife is saying he's got nothing to lose, right, that's it. That's why it says his wife before it says like ninety seven. You know, it's just drives me crazy. Okay.

Ed Harris says, man your posts men, which is I think the fiecest statement of this movie. It's just like using man as a verb to do your job and then just be like man, man, man your post men, as long as your manage, make sure man what you're doing it man that man cannon man life alright, his wife, his wife, his life. Okay, I mean, I mean it's aggressive. Just watching, I'm pretty sure I'm not listening, but I felt like it was. The text was so big, it was like the size of the right. It was like

his life, his life, his wife, Barbara. Does anyone have She's she's the predicate to a sentence exactly name the subject. Does anyone have any of the thoughts about the movie? Shame on anyone who would try to tell you it's

a good movie. It's not a good movie. If anything, they're conflating their nostalgia for for a time when they were younger and couldn't have any like an adult thought about or like critical thinking about the films they saw, like the only when I think really about the feelings I have about it, it's purely the nostalgia of it, rather than like, man, when I fucking need to get inspired,

I watched The Rock. I'm like the last time I watches Like I'm so hungover that the Rock is on in the background, and even then I'm not going to turn it off. And it's only because the remote is like on the floor across the room and I cannot get I wanted to say something really quickly. We didn't really talk about the Jade character. I would say this is again just a big, not surprisingly missed opportunity by Michael Bay where we're presenting with a female character who

does not seem stupid. She we see her at her college. You know, she's meeting up with her convict father and brings a friend. This tracks for me. It's like, if you're going to meet your father who's a convict, don't

show up alone. She cops to this openly. She questions what he's telling her, which makes sense if your father is a convict, but she's still ultimately in the space of the one scene she really appears in is characterized as property to the male character, to the point where Sean Connery says to her, like, you're the only proof that I exist, which which totally just I'm like, well, that's all she is to the plot. And so it's it's a bummer to see people like characters like her

and like Brenda, not Brenda, Brenda actually Carla. But it's like, you see these these women who appear to have some potential Jill as a character just ultimately be discarded, and like seeing the Jade character as like, because I didn't really know what this movie was about, I certainly didn't remember her. I was like, oh, man, I hope she comes back. She never never. Yeah, Well, they're like they're mere existence or like it's sort of heightened by or

it's exactly connected to their ability to procreate as men. Exactly. You're you're a verification that my dick works for Jade, and because you're you're gregnant. Now I'm going to be a hero due to your ability for gregnant. I have to live because you're Greek net The conversation about Jade leads us to whether or not this movie passes the

Bechdel test. It doesn't. Here's why. So there's only there's only one opportunity where this could potentially happen, and it's where Jade and her friends Stacy, both the characters are named, go to meet John Mason, and Jade says to her friend Stacy, it's okay, and Stacy says, I'll be over there if you need me. No men are explicitly stated or mentioned in that too long to change to the conversation they're talking about whether or not Jade feels safe

meeting her convict father. I am beyond willing to say this movie does not pass the Bechdel test. Yeah that was I mean, that was the only scene where I feel like it even comes into questions. No other women interacted to the point where and this is how badly this podcast and this test is jad to me from Like, why did he even bother to give Stacy a name if she was never going to come back? I think

they went out of their way. It was to make the point that Sean Connery couldn't even recognize his own daughter, right, Oh, okay, that does track. She was like, no, I'm Stacy, right, Okay, so yeah, this movie doesn't hapend. Yeah, so she's merely there to underline how shitty if it died. It's purely be like, how is he going to? Oh, I'll think this other woman is his daughter? Was her name almost Daisy? Yeah?

So movie does not pas special test And I like, was really I almost had a panic attack, and I was like, did that just pass? And I was like, wait a minute. There the context of their conversation is specifically about John Mason, so it doesn't pass. Said that. I couldn't believe it. I was like, oh my god, because in my mind I was like, no, there's no way.

And I was like, which is why I think sometimes when women are talking in a movie, they can mention a man in the movie still passes, and they can not explicitly mentioned a man in the movie does not. I think it's more about context than it is about whether or not a man's name happen to be mentioned. So we've had we've come up on this a lot. But because the subtext is this man making you feel insafe exactly, which if he's Sean Connery, probably not my dad,

who my my mom? And after it led Zeppelin concert. God yeah, way, I mean, and I appreciate how realistic Jade was about like yeah, of course, like I don't I'm curious, but also like I don't trust you just again the seeds of a female character that it would be interesting to see a second time. We do not see bad movie. I hate it, so three and a half. That's well. Speaking of writing, let's write on our nipple scale,

I'm going to give this movie zero nipples. I think it's a bad movie on top of it portraying women horribly. And Jamie brought up some great points about well, do we really want to see that much representation of like women in the military and women in government positions when it's a movie like this, where it's just perpetuating and glorifying thailands and stuff like that, where like, no, I don't.

I would rather women be left out of those movies. Really, I would rather movies like this not be made at all because they're not good. And Michael Bays sucks and he should be not working in Hollywood. So I mean the fact that there are almost no women in the entire movie, that all the female characters that do exist are there just to basically support or provide the motivation of the male characters. They're just flat. We hardly see them on screen, they hardly have any lines, and it's

it's not great representation. I would give it zero also because it's like if toxic masculinity was like a missile from the movie, like the Rock is like the VX, Like the Rock as a film is the green anal beads that destroy everything. It's the kind of ship even connected. It's like the kind of ship though that like you know, looking back, you're like, man like, this is what we were like inoculating and socializing like young men with and like was just like this idea of like, yeah, dude,

the broils will get it. Go in there and just do their ship and get it done. Yo, chill the

funk out, you're greg nant. Hang back, I'm gonna do my thing and I'll be back in the baby be chill like so yeah, and in that sense, and again when I was thinking about it, the only reason I have anything good to say about it is that it's purely like a sensation of the time that it came out in where I was twelve years old and my world was only as complex as like going to like a movie or like, you know, having a crush on someone,

so in my low stakes world is shut that. But other than that, it's like it's like a one yeah, I'm I'm giving this uh Sara nipples as well. I do agree that it is an interesting time capsule to point to. If you see any extremely toxic adult man with a military industrial complex, now of like, how did he get this movie? Is a great way to be like, this is the sort of propaganda that was shoved at them at a very young age, and that is why people like this exist in the world, right Yeah, I

I god. I think that earlier in this podcast, just going off of how ja did we've gotten via doing this podcast, and I think our listeners have to um is that it's no longer you don't get half a nip a single nip for simply having women in your movie because the context of how those women exists. So there's no woman that is introduced into this plot that isn't strictly with the intention of characterizing and giving more shades of gray to a man. So there's nothing, there's nothing.

Every female character with any potential is completely sidelined. Half written by Lord knows what male writer did not want to be included in the credits of this movie. I mean not I don't know, and ultimately where you know, not to glorify toxic masculinity in any way, but like there are some bad Michael Bay movie that are sort of fun to watch, this one isn't even fun to watch for me where I have no cultural context for it. I'm like, it's just a mediocre movie that is saying

bad things. So didn't enjoy the movie zero nipples. I'd be curious for people to, like, if you're ever on a date and you're dating somebody have The Rock on DVD and it's a man as the owner to challenge them what they think of the film now, because I feel like you'll find people who can either understand how bad the movie is or some people who are still

actually holding on today. I think like it would be very tellent because I'm sure I have a few friends who would be like, dude, the Rocks fucking sick, like you know what I mean, And I think like it's very I think you can use that film almost as a litmus test to see if you can if someone can, we need to add it to we have a litmus test list of films of like red flag films. Someone tells you this is one of your favorite films and means it earnestly and if they can't at the very

least be like, I understand it's bad. It's a nostalgia or whatever, and you can at least acknowledge that. But I know people who would probably fucking knuckle down and be like, dude, it's actually like the perfect action films. Well you think about it. It actually she's great and that's good. Yeah, Okay, he saved a gregnant woman, so it's all right. Whatever. I don't know what this gregnant thing is and we don't have time. Should be the

video because the video is hilarious. That's my plug. Okay, okay, what what is it called there? It's this video. We'll put it in the footnotes. Okay. So across the board, zero nipple ratings, so so bad. Michael Bay Boo Miles. Where can be people find you? Um? Um, you can find me on closed the Daily sie Geist, which the two of you have been grace enough to come on many times. Yeah, just check out that podcast. I'm on their line on Twitter and Instagram at miles of gray

and the video is called am I Pregnant? So it's so good pregnant. All the hot ones are hot spellings. Yeah great. Um. You can follow the Bectel Cast on all the social media platforms. You can rate and review us on iTunes, you can pay more. Maybe John five dollars a month gets you discount on merch which you should also buy, and it gives you two bonus episodes of the Becto Cast. Juno speaking of gregnant goodness, Signtum, Miles,

thank you so much for being here. It's been We're a sixteen and we're impregnated by a high schooler named Greg. This is my dad, my baby daddy, greggnant. I'm gregnan handed. I'm sorry that we got so sidetracked and pregnant. I'm glad you saw it.