On the bed Cast, the questions asked if movies have women and um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do they have individualism the patriarchy Zef and best start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hello, and welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante and my name is Jamie Loftus. Unless my name is Caitlin Durante and and my name is actually Jamie Loftus. And wait a minute, I just realized that we look exactly alike.
Oh my god. We should do some royal hijinks your you should do some royal hijinks, and then I'll just have sex with your friend. I think that's how the first one goes, right. Basically, not the worst deal in the world. This is well, we'll go to the Bechtel Cast. This is our show where we take your favorite movies and analyze them using an intersection feminist lens, using the Bechdel test, which is I don't I bet neither. I've had none of the Vanessa hudgens is. Know what this
damn test is? But what is it? Calin for the sake of fullness and clarity, it is a media metric created by queer cartoonists Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace test, and there are many variations, And here is ours. Two people of a marginalized gender have to have names, they have to speak to each other, and their conversation has to be about something other than a man for two lines of dialogue, and ideally that conversation is narratively significant.
Make of that what you will? You know it when you hear it. And in the case of this movie, as you'll hear in the episode, Uh, you know, there's a lot of Vanessa hudgens Is talking to Vanessa hudgens Is. It's not that big of a problem. There are three many Vanessa hudgens Is and they're all talking to each other. Yeah. And if you thought that my British accent I just did was offensive, wait till you hear her. Hear her
as maybe you are just not gonna like it. Um, So we're we're this this episode you're about to hear it was recorded last year for our Patreon aka Matreon. So you'll notice it's just me and Caitlin. We're keeping it loose. We kind of let it all hang out on the Matreon. I would say about eight of this episode is just us recapping the movie that will happen. We're discussing things throughout the recap, but the recap takes
a long time, and honestly, you're welcome. Yeah, it's it's we go to the Matreon to really vibrate on a different frequency where it's the format is technically the same, and yet there is this, um, this wild, reckless abandoned that you bring there. So if you are and if you enjoyed this, please go over and join the Matrion community. It is such a fun, like life, affirm and cool space to hang out in. Uh, it's five bucks a month and you get to bonus episodes at the Bechtel
Cast with just Caitlyn and myself every single month. This month we're doing two of our most popular requests that, for whatever reason, we never got around too. Um. They're both rom coms that It's You've Got Male, which we've been getting really lovely feedback about. I've been very happy about. Yes, yes we have. Yeah, not a brag person listening that isn't a member of the matrio. Hut, we're so good at our jobs. Wow, we really pulled one out this time.
And we're also doing How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days, which I canonically recognize as a Catherine Han vehicle, although you know, maybe the poster is telling you a different story. Fair fair. I see it as a Thomas Lennon piece myself, but oh my god, his outfit in that movie. I'm like, who addressed this? Poor man? I love Tomlin and why did they do that to him? That's not nice. In any case, this is from the Matreon and we're doing this, you know, technically an observation
of it's not for many. Vanessa Hudgens is the problem. There's still three of them, so it's kind of three minute three many Vanessa Hudgens too, but it's separate the switch to three Yes, which I believe is being released on Netflix the very same day that this episode is being unlocked from the Matreon and put on our main feed. They really missed an opportunity to include more Vanessa Hudgens
is in this sequel. At some point, I'm like, I wonder if she was, like I don't think so, because there were I think we talked about it in this episode. She's done interviews where she was like, oh, the next one should be Scottish and it's like, well, let's look at the accents you're already doing and maybe reassess. But I'm open to a fourth, uh, in so many ways, but in in terms of Vanessa hudgens Is, I'm open
to a fourth for sure, but it's not happening. But however, we will be covering The Princess Switched three on the Matreon, speaking of the Matreon in December, So if you're loving this and you're like, wow, I'm really on a journey, you can go back to our Matreon to listen to our very intellectual genius quite honestly thoughts on the Princess Switch one and then very soon on the Princess Switched three.
And if you like Netflix Christmas movies, we've also done all three, all of the Christmas Princes, and that is a burden we took on for you. So yeah, get ready, it's our our holiday movie block on the Bechdel Cast is room room room rev reev reving up um and enjoy this unlocked Matreon episode The Princess which to enjoy cast. Hello matrons, Happy holiday. It's that time of year when
we cover terrible Netflix original Christmas movies. I forget. Did we talk last year about the extended universe that Netflix has confirmed. I don't. I meant to go back and listen to the other Princess Switch and Christmas Prince movies we've covered. I like, wanted to listen back to those episodes and rewatch those movies, but I simply didn't have time for any of it. I rewatched, watched all the Princess Witches and all the Christmas Princes because I needed
an excuse to, of course. But did did you I don't know. I don't think that we did. I didn't listen to the real listen to the episodes. I don't think we did talk last year about how all the movies are confirmed happening in the same universe, which is further depending how you look at it, either confirmed or complicated by what happens in Princess Switch Switched again, because it would seem that it contradicts. Okay, so this is a matron. This is obviously the Bectel cast Matreon we're
doing Princess Switch to. I thought the movie was essentially a delight. Well, sorry, first, we have to the full the full title Princess Switched to three Money. Vanessa Hudgens is three many Yeah, too many. Hudgens is is um is the general vibe. I love that they just called it switched again. The real titles the Princess Switch Switched Again, which is um so lazy, so incredibly lazy. Uh. You
really almost admire it. I fully admire it. I'm like, oh this this uh, this movie has no doubt of what it is, which is extremely lazy, but but so okay. So the Netflix Christmas Universe, which is a confirmed thing, includes oh my god, there's literally a chart. Have you seen this? Have you seen this chart? Okay, Okay, you
gotta see this chart. Okay. So it essentially connects the Christmas Prince uh saga series, yes, all the various Princess switches, as well as The Night Before Christmas, which was Vanessa Hudgens's last year Christmas effort, yes, which we almost covered
and made a last minute switch well switched again. Uh. Then there's also a movie called The Holiday Calendar from that I haven't seen, a movie called Christmas Inheritance, from which I unfortunately have seen, and a movie called Holiday in the Wild, which I also have seen, and I'm pretty sure is that the who's in that? It's like it's actually like some famous people right Holiday in the Wild. Yeah, isn't that the guy's name? Who was in Rob Blow?
Is that that one? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's the Christin Davis Roblow? Yeah. Yeah, sorry, I've seen so many of these. I'm like, honestly, and the names are also familiar. They like, I don't want to confirm something I can't guarantee. Kristin Davis and Rob Blow. So that's a bigger budget one, not very popular. I don't think really anybody necessarily watched it. Not a lot of high Yeah. I skipped that one,
but it is. And then and then now this year there was a movie called Operation Christmas Drop, which is military propaganda that is Christmas. There's also The Christmas Chronicles, which is, um, what's his face as Santa Claus? Yeah? What is his face? And goldie hat? His face? What is his face? I never Kurt Russell? Kurt Russell, Yeah, yeah, Kurt Russell. I'm like, but like, also, okay, maybe this is controversial, but like, who the fuck is Kurt Russell? Um?
What was he in that? I would know that you would know, probably not a lot. Okay, See, he got big in the eighties and then like a lot of his most famous movies were from the eighties and nineties, and I mean he's still around obviously, But also I always get him confused with early Patrick Swayzy, and I feel like there's someone else who I get him confused with. Two.
I'm sure I haven't seen The Christmas Chronicles, but either way, the Christmas Chronicles are a Netflix Christmas movie, but they're not in the Netflix Christmas universe. I see so all of the Netflix Christmas Universe. I'm pretty sure. I mean, it's a vague qualifier, but I'm pretty sure that you have to it has to be like a clear Hallmark rip off, which Christmas Chronicles isn't. Uh. And then Jingle Jangle, which I did see and it was pretty good for
us Forest whinnakers. In it, he's saying Christmas Chronicles was not bad. I'm you know, it's whatever. It's you know, kind of like a turn your brain off and hope for the best season movie wise. But Jingle Jangle, I had had some catchy tunes, some real catchy tunes, but it's not but it's not included in this universe. It's I think this is like the overly romantic, confusing Hallmark rip off Extended Universe that's occasionally nationalist propaganda in the
case of Operation Christmas Drop. Um. So, anyways, last year Netflix confirmed the Netflix Holiday Movie Universe is the official title. And I'll just unpack this chart and then we'll get to before we start talking about Princess, which switched again. How Princess switch switched again is maybe the most integral piece to this puzzle yet. So okay, it's like the
keystone that holds the whole arch together. And maybe I mean I haven't I bear I was like only half watching Holiday in the Wild, and I haven't seen the Holiday Calendar, but it seems like it connects a lot of movies together in ways that are exclusively confusing. So here's here's an overview of the chart. We'll we'll link this. It's like a tweet from Netflix. So it starts with
the Christmas Prince seen gets everything started. And I think these are all basically made by the same production company, which doesn't hurt um. So a Christmas Prince is shown on a TV in both the Holiday calendar and it's also if you recall Vanessa Hudgens watches Chris the Christmas Prince in the first Princess Switch. So as ofen when the Princess Okay, I'm like literally sound like that. Um
it's always sunny meme with the board okay, um. So as the Princess Switch, A Christmas Prince is a movie that exists in the world of the Princess Switch on Netflix. It was like a product placement moment. We were like, t he okay, Aldovia from A Christmas Prince, the fictional country. I'm familiar. Just there's five trillion countries that border Lithuania apparently,
and Aldovia is one of them. Whatever the Princess Switch countries are anyways, Aldovia is mentioned in The Night Before Christmas. So in the Night Before Christmas World, Aldovia is an actual place, but in a Princess Switch the Princess Switch world, it is not a real place. It's a Netflix movie. It's a fictional place where a movie the Vanessa Hudgens watches takes place. Make it makes sense, Um, okay. Christmas Inheritance A Christmas Inheritance is shown on a TV in
both the holiday calendar and in the Princess Switch. Holiday in the Wild is shown on a TV in the Night before Christmas, so in the Night before Christmas, a Christmas Prince is a real thing in the world. But Holiday in the Wild with Christi David's and Reblo, that's still fictional and on Netflix. And then apparently I don't remember that because by the time, honestly, the last in this marathon, the last movie I watched was Christmas Prince Royal Baby, and I was just my brain was skunked,
so I wasn't looking for this reference. But apparently the Princess Switched, the country from the Princess Switch is referenced in the third Christmas Prince movie. So now things get a little complicated because we were told in twenty eighteen that A Christmas Prince is just a Netflix movie. But then over in Aldovia, the Princess Switch country is Cannon, so because it's bell Belgravia and or Montenaro, because those are like the two countries in Princess Switch. Right right,
I'm going to keep mixing up the names. So bell Gravya, I believe, is mentioned in A Christmas Prince Royal Baby. But at that point, as of last year. A Christmas Prince Aldovia is fictional to Vanessa Hudgens, But Vanessa Hudgens is very real too, Amber and who are they that guy Richard Richard Um, So that's confusing, and then things get even more confusing. So basically it seems like they shouldn't have put Christmas princes on TV in the Princess
Switch because now they wanted to all be real. Because at the end of fucking my Princess Switch switched again, Princess Switch switched again, Amber and Richard are at the coronation for what's her name, Margaret A few things about that. When they popped up on Princess Switch with their royal baby ugly, I meant royal. Um. When that happened in Princess Switch to Switched Again, I was in my apartment by myself, and I screamed. I was like, yes, tie too, shrieked.
It was like hold on, and then I had to go back to the chart, like it how could that be true if we were and um, I don't know. I don't know how that could be true. I have a theory. Okay, yes, the movie that Vanessa Hudgens is watching in the first Princess s Witch movie that is about Amber and Richard's actually a Documentary's watching a documentary? Okay,
got it? Yeah, grape minds think alike. Yeah, I think that she just must have been watching, like maybe it was like a sixty minutes special or just like a poorly produced I thought that too, But then I went back and watched the scene from Princess Switch and I'm like, no, she literally had Vanessa Hudgens has the same Netflix as you or I, and it's presented the same way, and she literally watches a scene from Our Christmas Prince and
so too. I'm like, reporting instincts, and so if A Christmas Prince is documentary, so okay, if A Christmas Into is a documentary for Vanessa Hudgens, then it's also a documentary for us. And that could be true. That could very well be true. I think that they're just and someone I wanted to shout out a tweet that made
me laugh so much from Ica delian Um. From at delian ica Um, she tweeted, oh my god, Vanessa Hudgens is the Robert Downey Jr. Of the Netflix Christmas Cinematic universe, and it's true because of iron Man, because like iron Man kicked everything off, and is I know no, well, I well know, because Vanessa Hudgens didn't kick everything off. But I think we can all agree she has more, you know, she has she has a little more charisma
than the Princess Ambert and all offense. Um. But then, okay, other things we need to talk about before we talked about the movie. Okay, sorry, I'm like too prepared for this episode. Uh, really down in the dumps and really needed this. Um. Hey. So the other thing is I feel like we should do a Vanessa Hudgens update because she has had a very problematic, tumultuous a few years really, but like especially she We're not going to get too
into it here. Uh, but she did. If you remember, about nine months ago, she famously went live on Instagram and said a whole bunch of insensitive things about coronavirus and was basically the gist of it was Vanessa Hudgens has no regard for human life, which was upsetting then. And I honestly, it has been such a year that I kind of forgot and then I was like, wait, we're mad at Vanessa Hudgens, what did she do again? And I was like, oh, she said she literally has
no regard for human life. So that's something to keep in mind. Yes, that said Robert Downey Jr. You know, has also done some pretty messed up stuff in his life, so maybe that's the connection. They don't have a regret.
I don't know that much about Robert Jr. I just wanted to, um, you know, we are aware that Vanessa Hudgens is problematic and also just like a weird person, Like she will like pop up in my trending topics every once in a while, and it's always just like I just don't understand, Like why can't celebrities just like log out? Like Vanessa Hudgens has more money than God, Like she has a million a million year deal signed in blood with Netflix, Like why can't she just like
not go live on Instagram. That will never make sense to me because she just is always live on Instagram doing in that one case very like stream of consciousness, insensitive rant and then in other cases she's just doing weird stuff. And you're just like Vanessa, like call your like friend or something, call Zack, Like I don't know what you need to do, but like, I want no part of this. So Vanessa Hudgens is an firmed, questionable
weirdo is my is my take on the age. But then so, so we're going into Prince just to set up the mindset of where we're going into Princess Switched to Switched again. I have to suspend my upset with Vanessa Hudgens because I do have to watch this movie, not just because this is our job, but also because I just like, I have to watch this movie. It's I have to know what happens. And Princess switched to Switch it again, I understand. And I have to know
what the third Vanessa Hudgins is like. And I loved the third Vanessa Hudgens. Oh my gosh, she's so awesome. I love her. She's a sloppy bitch and I love her. That was Okay, that was all of my pre curs started talking about. Okay, I'm gonna shut up for the rest of the episode because that was a lot. But oh, and then also there's some connection in the third one to like, oh, I guess there's four shots. I missed
this on my watch of the movie. But per the clickbait rounds that happened every year around these movies a grand tradition. There is a slight possible, maybe sort of hint that there's going to be I mean, of course there's going to be a movie with a fourth Vanessa Hudgens. I have a pitch for it that I'll reveal at some point in this episode. Hell, yes, I did a little bit of recessor this is so embarrassing, Um, there
was there. Vanessa Hudgens has been very like dodgy about whether there's going to be a third or a third one with a fourth Vanessa Hudgens. That's never gonna get easier. She's been dodgy about that. Um. But then she said in like an interview, She's like, I don't know, but maybe the next Vanessa Hudgens will have a Scottish accent. And everyone's like, what that's weird. Um, it's confident Vanessa Hudgens can pull off. She do three accents, which includes
one that is just her regular speaking voice. Um, she can barely talk. Um okay, so, but but I think it's it's been hinted at at some point in this Princess which that the fourth Vanessa Hudgens is going to be her character from A Night Before Christmas, therefore tying in that whole thing, which would be kind of genius. Yes, that wouldn't have even occurred to me to do that,
but that's also the perfect choice to make. There's already a fourth Vanessa Hudgens on the table, and she already has experience kissing a Royal night royal figure Corport pattents and look alike. She already has been making out with this Robert Pattinson impersonator for you know, two years, yes, on screen, so she she has the experience. That character is ripe to be a part of this franchise. Was that character's name? Was it like Brooke that I'm just
spitballing here. I don't remember. I watched that movie last year when it got released. The only thing I remember about it is there is a plot which and then there is like random time travel and there's this like fish out of water like Middle Ages night who shows up? And yeah, I don't I I did not enjoy that. That one wasn't my favorite, which is weird because it's on Rotten Tomatoes. It's one of the highest rate of
Netflix Christmas movies. I like it has a lot of the elements for a movie that I enjoy with, like the time travel and the Fish out of Water and that, but like I just didn't addn't know the some of its parts. Yeah, I just didn't add up to anything that I thought was great. Also, and her name was Brooke. Wow, Wow, good memory. That was a total mistake. There was also um someone was mentioning I'll link. I've read so many pieces, I'm sorry, Like I can't really distinguish one writer from another.
But someone mentioned in their piece from this year that this production company, which is called MPC A that produces most of these movies, they must have some connection to Chicago, because all of these movies are vaguely related to Chicago, Like there's always someone is from Chicago. And then do you remember in the first Christmas Prince movie there's an establishing shot of Chicago, but then they're in New York,
like there's they're obsessed with Chicago. They show the Chicago River and then there and then it was like pizza Like You're like I'm walking here. You're like, that's not Chicago. Also doesn't doesn't the company name stand for something like motion Picture Company of America, something so generic and Corporation of America, just like you, is a fake company. The history of this company is also very weird. Okay, so they were. It was established in the year I was born.
Thank you, brave Um. Good luck topping this incredible life that the Motion Picture Corporation of America's who who did it better? They did? Who did life Better? Founded in n much like caitlin Um, they made a bunch of crappy movies that didn't do well, and then they made
Dumb and Dumber and so that's no good. Uh. And then they were acquired and then fifteen years passes, and then they made Beverly Hills Chihuahua too, and then they started making Netflix Christmas movies and that's that's their life. Wild really make it makes sense? I I don't know. I might be missing other stuff, but I just don't care. But either way, they're obsessed with establishing shots of Chicago, mentions of Chicago, even though the company is based in
Century City in Los Angeles, So I don't know. Confusing who cares? Much like the plot of this movie, should I recap it? Good transition? Yes? Thank you, Actually, we're going to take a quick break first, and then we
will come right back, and we're back alright. So I'm just gonna have to assume that you, the listeners, have watched the first movie or at least listen to our episode on it, or have some understanding of what happens in the first movie, because what happens in the second movie, you have to have an understanding of the first movie.
So I'm just gonna operate on that assumption that you're familiar. So, Stacy, who is the Vanessa Hudgens from Chicago who's a former baker, is married to Prince Edward, the most boring person, someone who makes King Richard looked like a fucking like interesting person, the most boring person ever committed to screen. I have more notes about him than I thought I would for this movie, but I do have a few things to
say when we get there. But yes, he's so he he feel bad almost, Yeah, I don't say I almost feel bad for him because of just like how he's treated in this movie and just like because his wife clearly doesn't love him very much. Like it's like, I don't I think that like Prince Edward needs to like wake up and smell the coffee. I don't think Vanessa loves him as much as he thinks she does and smells the coco Kevin insists on making all the time.
Kevin's a whole other thing like that, but Prince Edward, especially like he's so whatever that I felt bad for him. I'm like, you need to find the world's most boring person and marry them, because like, I'm not feeling it with you in Vanessa, I'm just not I have no chemistry. She's trying to get away from him all the time, and he's like, I love you hang out with me, and she's like, I can't hear you, la la la. I don't like that. So mean, and also like just
don't want to marry him. There's one scene where like he's clearly trying to have sex with her because she's like blah blah blah, I'm distracted or something, I'm stressed out or something, and he's like, well, I know something we could do to take your mind off it, and then she's like, no, I'm too busy trying to get my look alike to have sex with my best friend Kevin. And she would rather like she would rather fly to Chicago from belgrave A than spend a day with her husband.
And and also it's so set like that beginning they that scene, that same scene where she's like avoiding him, but it's in this way that I'm like, it's they're making it sound like she literally can't hear what he's saying, yes, which is just it's just confusing the way it's written. But he like they're both at the beginning of the scene, they're like, oh, we're so busy, and we're like with what And then later Prince Edward says literally says like,
I'm not actually that busy. I just say I'm busy, so that because I feel bad because my wife is busy, and I'm like, I don't think she's busy. I don't think she's busy. And she's just trying to everything and go to Chicago to like do do something that her friends don't want do this weird matchmaking thing. Yeah, they have to get divorced, like that marriage is no good anyway. They live in Belgravia together, which is apparently adjacent to
Montenaro and Aldovia. And let's throw Genovia from from Princess to say, where does Genovia come into the mix? What's a movie called Princess Princess airis Diaries? Diaries? Too many princess movies. Okay, so that's Stacy. Her look alike, also played by Vanessa Hudgens, of course, is Princess Margaret, who is the person she switched places with in the first movie. And in the first movie, Margaret fell in love with Stacy's best friend, Kevin. But between the first and second movie,
Kevin and Margaret have broken up. I so that's important to know. So fucking frustrating here because we had to spend a lot of the first movie rooting for Margaret and Kevin to get together, and then we just have We're expected to just do the exact same thing for the whole second movie. I'm like, I guess what, I'm not rooting. I don't care. I'm not really efficient. No one's rooting for them. I'm just like, Kevin deserves better, Margaret like they're just not. It's not I don't dis well,
I kind of just like Margaret. I like Kevin, but I also think that he really, um is not very respectful of boundaries. That's a whole other thing. I just I'm like, I wish them both the best, separately, clearly together as a no go. They broke up. They broke up for a reason. I like Kevin. I don't like Margaret for Kevin. I think that Margaret and Prince Edward, who I both find to be really boring and brand, should have gotten together. Wouldn't the Royal family have been
happier if they had just done that. I'm like, Okay, just get the two boring people married. Yeah, they're already both Royals, they understand the lifestyle. Stacy's clearly obsessed with Kevin, like that should have looked up. I guess that's the thing is, I was never really rooting for the couples that they clearly want you to root for in the first movie. I wanted the ones that they were pushing, which was Stacy, Kevin and Edward Margaret. I'm like, yeah,
that makes way more sense to me. Stacy's still obsessed with who Kevin's having sex with and needs it to be someone who looks like her. Like that's projecting. That's literally like, look in the mirror, is Stacy talked to
your therapist? Stacy? I it's so frustrating. They're also the whole thing with Margaret in this movie I'm Margaret is I totally agree, so so so so boring, And I feel like you could have done something way more interesting with her by even like borrowing plot points from a Christmas Prince, because a Christmas prinds well really bad at least like Amber when she's like becoming a queen, has like you learned about her trials and tribulations in the castle,
and like people don't take her seriously and she has to like you know, fight for herself. In her stay tuned to Our Christmas Prince Too episode coming out later this month, she doesn't investigate a reporting like she at least like it's all super pointless and like makes no sense, but at least it's like, oh, you see, she's like fighting for herself, whereas Margaret. I would have rather have seen Margaret, like they referenced that she's having a tough
time adjusting, but you don't see it ever. You like you just see her apologize to Kevin to be like sorry, I was sorry. I I have to do this thing called being the queen of a country, so I can't hang out with you at two pm on a week day like, obviously she can't. Kevin's The other weird thing happens where in the first Princess Switch movie, the reason they switch places is because Margaret like doesn't really want to be a royal. She like doesn't like the lifestyle.
She doesn't like to be in the public spotlight, and that's the whole reason they switched. But then suddenly in the second movie, she's like, I was born to do this. I freaking love being a queen. She's a plot queen. But then she also still doesn't seem committed to like she doesn't seem like she wants to do it still. Also, Okay, here's a question I had that I was I told myself I had to pay attention during the first Princess Switch when I rewatched it that I was like, did
her father die? Like who was the king? Was the king her father from Margaret? Yeah? And then her because they said, like the king died, the brother abdicated, and then so now Margaret is going to be the sovereign. Does that mean her father died and we just didn't didn't talk about it her father. That's what they mentioned in the opening montage of Princess Switched to right but they don't. But we don't see her deal with her
father died very very recently. That's a huge thing to happen, Like we I don't think we were told by the movie they had a bad relationship. So you have to imagine she just lost a parent and is not at all affected by it, right, She's the only thing is like she put a tarp over a Christmas tree and she's like, this is how I grieve, and like, well, there's no wrong way to grieve, Margaret, but like it
just is weird that they don't bring it up. And then also, I mean, also I've been watching The Crown, so they're with me here. But like, an abdication of the throne is a big fucking deal. Like people would be talking about the fact that the like where is her brother at, Like that's another plotline from Margaret. I would have been way more interested in as her struggle with her brother, being like, well, why the fund did
you abdicate? You know, I didn't want to be queen and he's like I didn't want to be king, Like we hate being royals. Like it would have been so more interesting. Okay, another separate pitch than the one I was originally going to pitch for the next Princess Switch movie. What if her brother shows up but it's also played by Vanessa Hudgens genius, or her brother shows up and he's and it's Kevin, when it's a second Kevin, and then they're like, they're like, oh my god, wait, her
brother looks just like her ex boyfriend. How did we not know that? And then and then it becomes a whole too gross. Yeah, that's actually nasty. But either way, there are so many directions because Margaret is canonically boring as a hell, like, give her something interesting to do, so at least we're watching a boring pers and do interesting things. That's why a Christmas Prince works. Amber is boring, but she does things that are interesting, so it's sort
of like you're like, man, this is kind of interesting. Um, but Margaret is boring, and all the things that are interesting about what's happening in her life are not talked about at all. I truly like, correct me in the comments if I'm wrong, But it seems like she just lost If not her father, a very close family member, there would have been a huge political like reckoning if someone abdicated from the throne. It would just be like
this should have been seasoned one of the crown for Margaret. Yeah, Instead, the only thing we get is like a couple shots of what looks like tabloids, like not even like prestige journalism, just like headlines of being like is Margaret ready to
be queen? Seems like she's a mess and it's but then she's not dealing with that either, like don't you know she's being scrutinized by the tabloids and she doesn't care even though Margaret is boring, boring, boring, and every time she's on screen, I'm like, oh my god, Margaret, Like they could have done something interesting with her in a bunch of different ways, and then instead they were like, hm, what if we just repeated the exact her exact plot
line from the first movie, like why you know why? Sorry? I was just I wrote down at the beginning like the top of my nose, and like, Margaret's father died, why aren't we talking about this? That's even in like a corny movie kind of way of like this is what he would have wanted or you know, like that kind of corny state. But no, sadly, no, um all right, where were we? Okay? So she goes to visit Kevin and his daughter Olivia in Chicago, and a different actor
from the last movie. I thought, so yes, I was like, I but I didn't rewatch the first movie, so I wasn't sure, but I had a feeling that they recast her. Okay, So Stacy invites them to Margaret's coronation ceremony because she is about to become Queen of Montenaro, and Kevin reluctantly agrees, and then they all show up at Margaret's palace and then they all decorate it together. Margaret and Kevin start flirting by throwing flower on each other. The flower fight
is so the flower fight. I'm like, okay, fine, fine, fine. Also, I'm curious on how you feel about I feel like Kevin really should have like not let himself get steamrolled by Princess Stacy when Princess Stacy rolls in, and also like she's not a good friend to him because she is like mocking him in front of his child, like Olivia. I also feel back to Olivia because Olivia should not be brought into this so much. Like first of all, the trope of like a child who's obsessed with their
parents romantic life for kind of no reason. When has it ever been a thing in all of these movies? That's just cannon whatever, that's a movie trope that is just like it's neither here nor there. It's just kind of creepy and weird. But whatever, it's a plot device. But when Vanessa shows up unannounced and it's like, look at you wearing wet pants. You make me sick and you better come to Bell Gravy at like, he should have just been like no, like he shouldn't have done it.
He should have called Margaret and been like, hey, Stacy is being a fucking bully because she's like obsessed with us being together for question mark reason? Is it okay if I come? Like another interesting if we have to have Kevin and Bell Gravya for this movie to happen, then when he shows up, why couldn't Margaret be like
mad it's Stacy? Like there that was another thing where there's just like no conflict between Margaret and Stacy at any time when it seems like there it would be very justifiable, like Stacy is getting so into other people's businesses and no one gets mad at her I would be so mad at her if she cooked my ex to Montenaro three nights before my coronation, I'd be like, Stacy, stay out of it, like your your marriage is over
there with Mr Boring. So like, there's so little conflict between them, to the point where during the part of the movie, and we'll get to this, but when they've switched again since the subtitle of the movie, and we're also very low stakes reason, like the reason they switch is so so confused about why they switch. I have so many thoughts and questions and notes about that. Thanks, there's a yeah, there's a little twist where a third Vanessa is present and she also has done a switch.
So there's so little conflict between Margaret and Stacy that when Margaret goes back to who she thinks is Stacy and tries to switch back, except that who she thinks is Stacy is actually cousin Fiona. We'll explain that whole thing.
Whenever this Fiona person is like, get the hell out of here, Margaret's just like, okay, I sure, even though Fiona is occupying her bedroom like that, Like Margaret gets sent away from her own bedroom and she's just like okay, honestly, that was that was iconic, Like that was like, so I was thinking that too. But then I was like, Okay, first of all, Fiona is amazing, but I was kind of like the most compelling thing was I was rooting for her to successfully take the throw over market because
I like, at least she wants it. At least she wants to do it, like, yeah, just let her do it whatever. But and she's also the only good Vanessa in this one. But that was so like bully older cousin move for Fiona to like gaslight Margaret so hard. She's like, I guess I'm not myself. I guess I am leaving the room. I was like, Margaret, we need to, like every Stacy and Margaret need to like go to some self esteem workshops because they're just like struggling. Um, yeah,
I don't. I I was also kind of like, I was really baffled by the lack of conflict between Stacy and Margaret at all. I felt like it worked against the plot. It would have been the way it would have helped the like switch level confusion. It would have been interesting if like Margaret was like, oh, maybe Stacy's not who I thought she was instead of immediately being like Stacy would never do this? Who is the third Vanessa? Like I'm not like rooting for It's it's it's I
don't know. It's like one of those things where these movies are so bad it's almost like, well, what kind of yardstick is this? But sometimes I feel like people think they're making a feminist choice by like having two female characters have zero conflict, when it's like, no, just treat them equally. Don't like make the reason that there's
a conflict be extremely gendered and irrational. There's a very there's a very like I feel like, a very obvious reason why they would be in conflict at multiple points in this movie, but it just never happens. They're like, nope, besties, I let myself get pushed around by Stacy for no reason, like right, yeah, like Margaret could be like stop meddling in my love life and yeah I should go to
therapy like get like Stacey. Yeah, I'm just like none of the Vanessa's are are okay, Um, but the third Vanessa is amazing and we're about to get to her, so okay, yes, but before we do, um, so we see Kevin and Margaret start to kind of like flirt again. It's but but then we meet Antonio, who is Margaret's chief of staff, and he is in love with Margaret and he's like, you're great, I'm so happy to be serving you. Blah blah blah blah blah, unnecessary, get rid
of it. But also he looked like British Jared Kushner like he I was like, Anto, what is going on with Antonio? He is clearly bad news, just by the way he's like, He's the only person in this movie I'm convinced is actually British. Also, like with the scenes with the henchman, I'm like, are none of these people? I didn't look it up, but I'm like, it seems like no one is British. I tried to look up the two people who play Mindy and Reggie FA's henchman.
There's there. They're off the grid. I just couldn't find anything about them. I don't know, especially the male henchman. I was like, I don't His accent was so over the top that I'm like, it sounds like he's doing the same thing Vanessa is. I don't know. And then the hench the hench person that looked like Sar Sharon In was just distracting because she looked so much like Sar Sharonin. Um. I will say that Reggie, the one Henchman, is the best character of the film. He but I
don't think he's British. Did you ever watch The Only Way Is Essex or any of those like trashy British like Jersey Shore, except like British. No, I haven't. Oh my gosh, they're terrible shows. They're amazing because there's another one called like Jordy Shore. I think, um that one. I haven't seen that one. I think is maybe even more trashy than The Only Way Is Essex. But I've only seen that one anyway. I used to watch them
with my friend British Martha. But the two characters who are the two hench people, Reggie and Mindy, especially Reggie, feel to me like actors who would be in a very trashy British reality show like The Only Way Is Essex. Maybe he is Britain. Maybe my my view of Britain the UK as to myopic and I just don't know. Well, they have way more like kind of working class British accents, so maybe that's I don't know. To our British listeners, could you shed some light these actors are British. Uh
believe your answers in the comments. I genuinely I could be totally off here, but I think it's I was also thrown by how clearly fake Vaness's British accent is. Maybe they are British and they're just trying to match her so that they all like there could be a lot of things going on here. Either way. The best chemistry in the movie as between Vanessa and the Hene people, bar none, best, incredible, perfect. Okay, so we've met Antonio, he's in love with Margaret. Then there's this ball, because
there's of course like five Christmas events. There's a concert, there's a ball, there's a coordination, there's an airport wedding. Can't wait to get to that. But at the ball we meet a third Vanessa Hudgens. She is blonde. She is part of the royal family because she is cousins with Margaret, but she's like not in the line of succession for queen or something like that. But her name is Fiona Pembroke. I just confirmed that Reggie is British. He's a British soap opera actor. Oh wow, I had
a feeling he might have been authentically British. He is British, and he's and he knows how to do camp. He's a he's a goddamn soap character. So there you go. Incredible friends, all right. Anyways, So Fiona Pembroke, she's an incredible character. She and Reggie to me or like tied for first place best character. That scene where Reggie steal really aggressively steals a wallet from someone, like it was my I rewatched that show three times. I'm like, oh
my god, what a bold move. Because she which What Fiona does is she brings her hinge people who love to take pictures against um, what do you call them? Those backgrounds, those photo backgrounds, um Stepan repeats, um. But she has her hench people just like pick pockets at public events so that she can maintain her lifestyle. It's a really bad plan, but it was fun. It was fun to watch Reggie just pick pocketing everybody. It was great.
He's not good at it. And then no later when they're like huddled together in what appears to be just a completely empty dark castle, the Pembroke Estate. Uh, They're like they can't even they can't even keep the lights
on there. They haven't stolen enough. Wallet's like they're like unloading their hall of the stuff they have stolen that evening at this ball and this movie is comedy gold, especially in this scene because one of them has stolen a roll of toilet paper and she's like in in Fiona Vanessa Hudgens is like, this isn't gonna help pay for our summer in whatever place that we're gonna go. He's like, but it's double play, and she's like, I don't care, and he's like, don't you understand it's double play?
And I'm like, this is the best joke I've ever seen in a movie. It's not my favorite joke, I guess at the end of my sentence, but I did. I did think this movie was genuinely like I don't know. I mean, it's all these movies are slightly They're enjoyable to me in slightly different ways and then also not enjoyable at all. But I feel like part of what makes A Christmas Prints funny is that it doesn't seem
to re alize that it's funny. But the Princess Switch movies are being funny on purpose, and I'm kind of laughing. So I'm laughing quite a bit. And and and it was written by two women, Robin bernheim Berger and Megan Metzker. So there, that's why it's a feminist text, just getting women in comedy. You love to see it hilarious. I did laugh at several points in this movie. Oh wait, no, wait, yes, yes, okay, now at that same ball Okay, I wanted to know
if you I was. I wanted to text you about it, but then I'm like, no, I'm going to save it for the pod. There's I watched it with Isaac and there was like a scene where I'm like, huh, Kevin and Margaret. Kevin like cuts in with Antonio and it's like I have a dance with blah blah blah because he's like Mr smooth cool Chicago Baker whatever, right, he had Margaret are dancing, and then at one point they stopped dancing and start just inning around in a circle.
Did you notice that that I didn't. I rewatched the scene like four times because they start out dancing, everyone is slow dance like whatever. It's all vaguely royal, and you're like, I know what this scene is. And then at some point they stopped doing the dancing, and then they just have their hands on each other's shoulders and they're continuing to talk and they're turning just in a circle.
I'm gonna, honestly, I'm going to get the time code so I can just like explain to you like it was continue, but I'm gonna stop and just show you what we're talking about, because I can hear what I sound like right now. But I swear to God, Jamie, I believe you. I swear to God. They just start turning in a circle, and it's so okay, amazing. Sorry, um, let's take another quick break and then we will be
right back. And we're back, okay. So then Antonio professes his feelings for Margaret outright, and then he tells Kevin that Kevin is getting in the way of Margaret's happiness, which Kevin's daughter Olivia overhears. So then she goes to Stacy Margaret out of school anytime. Her dad's horny, like what is this? What's going on? Right? And it's like maybe it's her like holiday break from school. I don't know,
I don't know how long they're there for. I'm going to need that specified because I'm like, we need Olivia in school, we need her like less in Belgravia with her dad's ex like involving her on Kevin's end first, I know for the movie it makes sense, been involving her on Kevin's end is so irresponsible. Your child should not be involved in your love life to this extent, Like your child should not be coming with you on like Operation Get Her Back. Like that's just not that's
bad parenting. It would be. It would be one thing if within the context of a movie, there was like a stronger motivation established for her, if she was like, I want to be a princess. That's why I have such a vested interest in, like my dad marrying this queen to be. But there's absolutely no motivation established for her whatsoever. So it just feels weird and creepy, creepier than it already is. And it's not like it's not like she's like, oh, Margaret has such an amazing personality,
Like we know that's not true. Um, how should I do this? So I just show you my computer screen? I have it already, Um, just let me know the time code. The time code is around just go to twenty one minutes and y'all start to see what I'm what I'm talking about. They start by, I've never seen a dance like this where it starts as dancing and then it just turns into slow spinning while continuing to I'm seeing it, And then they do a wider shot of it and it looks even weirder because are just like,
no one else is doing that, it's just them. That's incredible. There's there's turning in a circle and he's going, maybe we could hang out as friends, and I'm like, why aren't you dancing anymore? What's happening? I wonder if they like they had to learn like an actual ballroom dance, but it was too complicated for both of them to do the dance and deliver their lines. So they're like, we're just gonna spend uh. We know, I mean, Vanessa
Hudgens is confirmed and not a good dancer. We've known this since high school musical two thousand six, so not to not to put around blast, but you know it is true. Yeah, so that happens. Sorry, that was just like a big bump for me, I was like, well, where where are we? What's happening? Okay, thank you for sharing that. I don't know if I would have noticed otherwise,
how would you survive that? Truly? Um? Okay? So Olivia has overheard uh Antonio, Bully and Kevin basically, so she goes to Stacy and Mark Egaret and proposes that they switch places again so that Stacy can do Margaret's queen duties at the like Christmas concert that night or whatever or like the following day, and Margaret can still Like, here's the thing, Margaret Stay stays herself, the only one, okay. So the whole reason for this switch is so that
Margaret and Kevin can have some alone time together. So it's really just Stacy masquerading as Margaret in public so that Margaret has the time to be alone with Kevin. So there's a makeover montage of course, when which all the Vanessa Hudgens is switch place. But because they're doing this whole switch so that Margaret can have alone time with Kevin, Kevin knows that he is spending time with Margaret.
The only person that is seeing Margaret as Stay see is Kevin, so there's no reason that they needed to actually switch places all the way. Yeah, absolutely, you're totally right. You're totally right because he knows, he knows he's spending time with Margaret. But even so, she dresses as Stacy, which just makes the whole thing weirder because now he's like, well, the woman I love now has like the hair and clothes of my best friend, which wouldn't that be weird
for him? Like, I just don't. Also, this is this is again I'm overthinking as by a trillion, But were I putting myself in the shoes of either Kevin or Edward, first of all, I would not be involved with any of these Vanessas like these Vanessa's only bring chaos, um, but I would be constantly like, I think it would almost be like probably a problem in the relationship. I would constantly be carding Vanessa. I'd be like, can you
show me some idea? Like who are you like? Edward, especially who is somehow like both obsessed with his wife and has no idea what she looks like because he like So that was when I started feeling less bad for Edward. I'm like, well, he doesn't even know what his wife looks like. What's wrong with this guy? Like Mary kay Nashley's boyfriend's husband's whomever. Like they can always
tell the difference. Those French boys met them one time before, and they knew exactly which one was Mary Kayton, which one was Ashley. You know which Vanessa you're married to? Is all I'm saying, Like it's just another strike against
that marriage. And then also Kevin at the end, who's been We'll get there, but like, particularly if I were Kevin, after what he goes through in this he granted he should never have come, but after what he goes through in this saga, I would have been like, Okay, before I marry you at the airport, can you just like, can you just confirm which Vanessa you are? Please stop asking me to take your word for it, because it
doesn't work, you know, Like yeah, I don't know. I would just be like, I'm sorry, Like I'm sure at least one of the Vanessas is a lovely person, but I just need to like remove myself from the whole Vanessa situation because it's too much, so confused, and it's so confusing. Why does Margaret go through the trouble of dressing as Stacy when the only person who is going to see her is Kevin, who knows that she is still Margaret doesn't. The place they go to is a
abandoned Christmas festival. No one's there, no literally that He's like, let's go to the Christmas festival and then there's zero people there, but it's open. It's like how many people live in Montenaro? Is it? Six? Queen of if you want to, I'm just like, if you really want some alone time, wouldn't you like spend a like romantic evening together, like just like not building snowman's together. And what feels like a very platonic Vanisa, Well, that's just like a
casting issue. Vanessa has never had any chemistry with this actor wait what is his name? Um? But she's never had any chemistry with this guy. So no matter which Vanessa it is, she doesn't have chemistry with him. And I mean, and if you don't think she has chemistry with him, wait till you see her in chemistry, like like do you know these people? She's allegedly known both of these actors for like at least three years. Um. But also, oh my god, no wait uh, the guy
who plays Kevin is also kind of untraceable. He doesn't have a Wikipedia page. What is his deal? Oh he's he's British. Wait, this is so confused. Kevin is British? This is make it makes sense, It'll never will never, So Kevin's secretly British. That's also a better plot point. Um, but no, yeah, he revealed the whole time. I'm part of the royal family. You're like, wait, I'm not to Baker adoll um. But also to your point of how
nonsensical it is to have them switch. It would first of all, be a better date if they were in private, and also there would be no need, like there would be no there'd be zero steaks, no need to switch. There'd be zero steaks if there wasn't even no risk of her getting caught in public. But then there's no risk of her getting caught in public because they went to an abandoned carnival. The more I think about it, the less anything makes sense. Yeah, the steaks are on
the floor with Margaret and Stacy are subterranean. Meanwhile, Fiona, they couldn't be higher. Everything's writing on this, Okay, So Margaret and Stacy agree to this completely unnecessary switch. Meanwhile, Fiona is hatching a plan of her own to pretend to be Margaret so that she can get access to Margaret's royal money and steal some of it. That's how it works, you get the royal pin number on the
day coronations. Okay, the stakes are higher for her, but her storyline still makes no sense because it was not at all clear to me why she needed to go through with the coronation ceremony to gain access to the money she could have just because reasons, it makes sense that she was still that she would still need to kind of masquerade as Margaret for a little while to like hack into her bank account or whatever, but to do the whole coronation, I was like, that's not necessary.
It definitely isn't no um the same way. But I also was just like, I feel like this movie really is a case study of like how much nonsense you'll put up with based on how much you are personally invested into character, Because no one's storyline makes sense. But I'm rooting for Fiona why because she's interesting. She's so she's the only Vanessa whose plotline isn't connected to like
a man like. She's just like I'm trying to. I mean, granted, she's trying to steal the throne, but you know, it's like she's going to be literally what she's gonna be, a queen of fourteen people. Margaret did not want the job, except she suddenly does in this movie, which is I mean talking about a switch. That's the real switch. Completely yeah, the completely out of nowhere motivation switch of Margaret's character from the first movie to the second movie. That's what
the princess switch should be about. But I like that Fiona. I like the Fiona justifies She's like, oh no, I could totally look like Margaret. Look it, here's a picture of me from my Ariana phase and it's like a picture of her as Vanessa Hudgens and the hench people
are like, oh, totally yeah. And then Sarsha goes like nuclear and is like Okay, here's what we have to do, and like starts training her to be a princess, even though it's like, um, last time I checked, Sarsha, you are a hench person, so I don't know what you know about. And Fiona is again part of the royal family. She might be like I don't know if she's like a duchess or something, but she's like she would know
more a royal. Right, she lives in in a state that doesn't have electricity, but you know, in a state nonetheless,
she could still flip it. Uh, that's another story. This is just becoming a story notes podcast over time, but another story note that I had that another yet another thing that could make Margaret one percent interesting is like the only connection we know about, like I keep wanting to save Fiona and Margaret are that their cousins and we know nothing about what their actual relationship is as cousins.
Like I thought it could I wrote down it could have been interesting if like maybe Fiona brings out Margaret's wild side and they used to like have fun to get there and they had a close relationship, but then something happened and now they're estranged, and like that would give some sort of connection on like it would make it even funnier slash maybe wouldn't be as funny if Fiona bullied Margaret like she does. Um, But it's like there is no we have no indication of We just
know their cousins. We don't know what their relationship is, Like, we don't know if they have any fun memories together. Like, I just felt like contextualizing that a little bit would have given us a stronger, I mean a stronger connection with a female character than Margaret has with Stacy, who she just like trusts without questioning, even though Stacy is a disaster just because they look exactly alike, which is not a basis for trust and a friendship. Watch any
Marry Kane Nashley movie. They always fight. Uh, there's always conflict and then it's resolved. That's how twin movies work. Yeah, but yeah, it's like we don't know anything about like I wanted. I was like, oh, it would have been fun if Margaret's like, oh, I don't hang out with Fiona anymore because just things would always get wild when she's around, and I'm just not myself around Fiona. I just like it would have been fun. That's a great uh, Like,
that's great backstory for them. The only other thing we know about Fiona because we don't know much about her character, but with the one thing we do learn is that her father also died maybe recently they could talk about
they could bond over the loss, the grieving process. You know, there's there's all kinds of stuff and apparently, like I mean, wouldn't like the king have been Fiona's uncle, Like that's also right, it would be grieving the same two people, that's true, right, she Yeah, why didn't they say each other at the funeral? Why didn't Fiona? Did Fiona not go to the king's funeral? And wouldn't that have caused a scandal, not only a scandal in the family, but
like a public scandal. Someone hire me at a Balgravy in newspaper, Like there's a lot going on here and no one is writing about it? What like the pot I got really too fixated on the politics of Bulgravia and Aldovia in this one uh this year, and it's like everything is a disaster. But yeah, again, that's that. I didn't even think of that, the fact that they
both recently lost parents who would have been each other's uncle's. Right, Well, it's because they play off Fiona's father's death as a joke, because Stacy is like, you mean Percival Pembroke who died of a peanut allergy, and that whole thing is just like how is supposed to be? That's not funny. Oh, not to backtrack to the beginning of the movie, But did you find the opening montage to be very aggressive?
Because I found it to be very aggressive, in ghastly in a way that was like maybe lap but it was like, so the beginning is animated, and it's just recapping the previous movie, which I do appreciate because everyone watching it needs that because it's not a memorable movie. Um, but the way that it's written and the way Vanessa a Diden to read it, it's really aggressive, and she goes, of course, you probably remember that. My name is Stacy
and I'm from Chicago, and naturally you remember Kevin. And then like every time something happens, you're like, no, I don't remember that. No, I don't remember that. No, I don't remember that, and Stacy is just like being She's like and naturally you would be remiss not to remember Margaret, and you're like, I don't remember that. Like it was just I know it was a joke, and I feel like it's the movie acknowledging how now like ridiculously unmemorable the first movie was. But I found it to be
a really aggressive way to start. And then it goes like, and of course you know that the King is dead, and of course you know that the prince abdicated the throne, and you're like, well, I really don't really don't never happened on screen. Is anyone going to be sad about that? Is anyone? No? No, it doesn't matter anyway. As the beginning, it was just like the beginning, like v O, I was like, stop yelling at me, like it's not my fault.
Your movie sucked and I don't remember anything from it. Jeez. Oh it really sets the tone though, Okay, it really does. Yes, So Fiona is hatching her plan to become Margaret so that she can gain access to the throne to steal the money, right, okay, so then so then Stacy becomes Margaret for the night, Margaret becomes Stacy, and they proceed with their plan. Everything seems like it's going to be fine until Fiona shows up, also pretending to be Margaret,
and she abducts Stacy, who Fiona thinks is Margaret. Because I am this seed, this is like the only like one of the only parts where I'm like, okay, this is like kind of compelling, and then it like falls apart really quickly. But but when search up, it's like the chemical rag over Vanessa's mouth. You're like, WHOA, that escalated really quickly. I didn't think that they were going to, like, you know, actually like really commit a crime against a Vanessa,
but they did. Well, it's not Sarsha, it is Vanessa Hudgens chloriforming herself. That's iconic, like and in an incredible piece of cinema. You have to admit that is like pretty amazing. It's it's incredible, it's brilliant writing. But yeah, they commit a pretty serious felony in this movie, which which Fiona only get a slight slap on the wrist floor. I do love that, and Tonio goes to the dungeon
and Fiona gets community service. Again iconic, Like, clearly there's some nepotism I play here maybe, um okay, So now Fiona has taken the place of Margaret and abducted Stacy because of this whole comedy of errors thing. Then Margaret shows back up at the end of the night after her night with Kevin where they platonically build snow people together, and Margaret goes to the person who who she thinks is Stacy, but of course it's really Fiona, and Fiona
to Margaret is like, Stacy, get out of here. And Margaret's like, wait a minute, Stacy, the game is up. What are you talking about? It's time to switch back. And then this is when Fiona kicks Margaret out of her own bedroom, wrecking balls. Margaret's like entire life and sense of self in a single scene. And I was like, oh my god, why am I cheering her on? But I still was. I was like, Fiona, you're amazing. Like she she's such a villain. She's like a perfect villain.
She's like trying on the crown like and then she flings it into a Christmas tree, she like frisbees it in, and then she's like, get out of here, Margaret, you're not the queen. And she's like oh okay, oh it's so good. Yeah, Fiona. There's a there's a moment where Fiona is staring at herself in the mirror, wearing Margaret's crown, laughing maniacally and being like off with their heads, and it's just like You're like, yeah, off with their heads? Uh yeah, it's really hard to get me to the
route for um, you know, character this privilege. But Fiona is really cool. I'm you know, I'm really I really wish that she had taken the crown because clearly Margaret doesn't. I mean, if anything, it proves the fact that Margaret is not fit to rule. It's the fact that she got, you know, steamrolled by her own cousin out of her own identity in less than a minute. Like, Okay, that's not the constitution of someone who could run a country. It's just not happened to you. What's gonna happen to
you in the Royal Court? You're going to be a disaster anyway. Yeah, you if you have no sense of self? Where where are your convictions? Where is your where's your sense of anything? Where's your Like I guess her only staff is Antonio and she's constantly refusing his help, but which granted, ends up being a good idea because he's also a villain. But like she keeps being like it's so confusing because she's like, I don't know how to
be a queen and this is really confusing. But then whenever she's offered help, she's like, I don't want help, And I'm like, so, do you just want to be like a bad queen? Like what do you what do you want it's also a weird dynamic because like, yeah, he is her advisor, but he's also constantly throwing himself at her. So that would that would give me some
kind of like imposter syndrome like something. But if I were Margaret and I were the fucking queen, I mean, I know, I'm like putting a lot on her, but I'm like, she can fire him and hire an advisor she trusts happens in Christmas prints all the time. They like lose them, like Defense against the Dark Arts Professors.
There's a new one every movie, like you can you can fire Antonio, Like right, she's the queen, like I just and again, it's like if that dynamic were explored at all, of like, oh, I really need to like you know, become more assertive and I need to stop worrying about pleasing other people and like do what I
know is right for my country. Like that's a compelling narrative to send her on like and I wouldn't be so judge of her if I thought that that was being done to tell a story, but it isn't there. She's just like she's just I'm like just fire and literally fire and fire, and wie to him and be like, sorry, things aren't going to work out side of my hands, and I'm gonna hire someone qualified. You know, I'm gonna
hire side out. She could have someone else on her staff because she's going to have a large staff if she's about to be queen. She can get someone else to fire him. She never even has to talk to Antoni. It's so confusing. And the hire Simon. Simon's right over there in Aldovia. Oh, cousin Simon, cousin Simon. At turns out he really redeems himself. You know that Simon can be trusted, So you know, hire Simon. He's got experience, and um, you don't need Antonio. Hire a woman in
this position like Vanessa hudgens Is. You're like whatever, but don't just be like, oh, this is so awkward with Antonio. I wish I could do something. It's like you, you, you have more power than anyone to do something about it. Literally, you're like the only person who can, so you gotta do it. Yeah, okay. So then so now that there's like this snag and Fiona's plan, she has to act
more quickly. This means she has to move the coronation ceremony to that night, but first she cancels her dinner plans with Kevin, who who had just had this lovely evening building snow people with so so Fiona still pretending to me, Margaret tells Kevin that things are over between them,
and he's devastated and he heads to the airport. Meanwhile, the real Margaret goes to Prince Edward, who has just been like bumbling around this entire movie, not aware of where he is or who his wife is, and he's just been gas lit by so many people. And then he asks Vanessa for help and he never receives the help he asks for that was when I was truly at my most sympathetic for Prince Edward is when he asks well and least because you're like, you can't tell
that's your wife? Yikes. Um, But also half the time I can't either. There's sometimes where I'm like, wait, who is that? But um, I think they should have made a little bit more difference in the hair because sometimes I'm like, mm, all the accents are so fake. Um. The only thing that gets me to figure out who is who is that? Margaret always wears like a deep red lipstick and usually more I make up, but not
as much I make up as Fiona. So yeah, I know they all have to kind of look like Vanessa Hudgens, but like it does get refusing. There should be more. Yeah, there should be like a greater visual signifier of like which one is which. I did feel bad for Prince Edward when he was drinking coco just in the middle of an empty room and was like, like, my wife doesn't want to hang out with me. I'm so sad. I'm not even that busy. I'm lying about being busy.
Being a king isn't even that hard, Like, oh, this sucks. And then he's talking to his wife and and she's like, oh um, it'll probably all work out, and you're like, that's all you got. Oh, it's sad. I felt bad for him in that scene. I was like, Edward, just
move on, man. Well, My main note for him was that not that I even appreciate this per se, because I don't like it when, like any character who because he seems like a pretty kind, decent man, seem like a bad person to boring, boring and unaware of his surroundings. But parents are probably cousins, he's royal. You know, and they're probably dead, maybe from a peanut allergy. Who can say,
but parents peanuts, parents peanut. Um. What I noticed, I suppose, is that in most movies that revolve around a romantic storyline, and there is also a some kind of like lie or bet or like game component to the romance where a character is being lied to about what's really happening. It's usually a woman who is like the victim of this lie, so for that to be switched a little bit and it's it's Edward who is constantly being lied to and gas lit. Again, I don't like to see it.
The thing is, like, it's like I I don't like when people like writers are like, oh, I'm not you know, they invert it instead of subverting it where they're like, oh, let's just do a fucking Oceans twelve of this plot point, Like you're like, it's still not compelling. I felt the same way about Kevin and the sweatpants, Like I feel like that's usually a plot point that's like taken against a female character who went through a breakup, and they're like,
get yourself together, you're wearing sweatpants. You have to like get him back. And I think that oh yeah, and he's also like I'm going to get another cat and it's like, come on, like sweatpants and they're like, oh but it's a cat daddy, and you're like it's still like no, like what, well we're trying to say. It's like, let's do one better for everybody, Like yeah, every time they it's just such a lazy laziness to I mean,
but these movies are lazy. So I wasn't like outraged, but I'm like, yeah, Kevin and Edward are both kind of like treated how women in this genre are often treated, which is interesting, but it's still bad writing. But it's not like good writing to take a stereotype and then just gender flip it. That's not creating. Stop doing that. Like yeah, but in this genre, I guess it makes that I don't like it, but it's like I guess I'm not, like, why isn't this movie better written? Like
you know why? But yeah, I totally agree. I was. I find Edward he's just sipping cocoa. He's he's wearing sweatpants spiritually literally right, he might be literally wearing a tuxedo, but spiritually he's also a sad sweatpants cat Daddy. But yeah, like you said, are as an audience, our expectations need to be as low as the stakes are for Stacy and Margaret, which is like basement level apartment style. Um. Alright, So,
so Fiona has sabotage Kevin's relationship with Margaret. Meanwhile, the real Margaret goes to Prince Edward and tells him and her the other few members of her staff that she does have about the situation. And then they figure out that this impostor is Fiona and she must have kidnapped Stacy and that they must be keeping her at the
Pembroke estate. How they managed to figure out exactly where Stacy is based on what little information they have only deduced and not even confirmed is a bit confusing, but they figure it all out. It just happens to be right. And then Fiona as Margaret is trying to convince Antonio to like move the coronation ceremony to that night so that she can be crowned queen for reasons uncleared that
doesn't need to happen. Um. But Antonio realizes that Fiona is not Margaret, and he's like, well, I'll rat you out or you can let me in on this scheme and we can split the money. So that's their plan moving forward. Meanwhile, I liked when they combined forces, but again I just felt like even like the stakes were
confusing for Antonio. I like, if we're gonna have Antonio, which we don't need, really, I kind of wish he wanted more, or like I didn't understand why by the rules of this movie, you would think that Antonio would like fall madly in love with Fiona right away. He's like, oh, I love women who look like Vanessa Hudgens, and you're evil just like me. Like just there was no he was just like, Okay, I guess I'm on board as
long as I'm involved. I didn't want them to fall in love, but I just like I thought there should have been some other thing he wanted, Like it shouldn't have been so easy for her for Fiona to just be like, okay, we're evil to get there now, like because then his his function kind of like goes away like yeah, well, and then his motivation is established to be that because she's like, why do you need why do you need the money? You're filthy rich? And he's like, no,
my brother inherited most of the estate. I only have a very small income, which I'm sure is still very substantial. But are like identical and that they're like, I want to maintain my lifestyle, but I can't exactly. So what that implies that if his brother inherited the estate, his dad also must be dead. Right? What's who's killing all the elder members of this royal family? Do they all have peanut allergies? Could you trace it back? Is there
a royal chef that's got it in for Ken? Is it the same royal chef who is in the Christmas Prince to who Rudy be friends? It makes you whoa, oh, that would be Rudy. I can't even think about Rudy right now. My hat will explode. Hey, I'm walking New York. Who do you na We're gonna make You're like, this
is just this is we need to turn the television off. Yeah, I don't think I didn't even think of that where he I don't know the whole Antonio Antonio, I feel like should have been like left in a previous draft. I don't. By the end, it's like Fiona's doing what Antonio is doing. And then it's like, well, then why do we need to have these characters? What I guess he technically is like, well, I can get the coronation to happen earlier. But I'm like, what, all right? Yeah,
I liked I liked when the priest was confused. That was fun. That was very fun. And heways, so yeah, now Antonio is like dot dot dot involved, Like he don't Yeah, he's in on the scheme. Meanwhile, Edward, Margaret, and the others Margaret's staff rescue Stacy from Pembroke Estate and then rushed to the cathedral to stop Fiona from going through with the coronation, and then that's when the priests are all confused, and then they successfully stop all that.
Antonio gets thrown in the dungeon. Uh, Fiona just sort of slips out unpunished, and then they all rush to the airport where Kevin is about to get on a plane. Again, the tropiest thing that the movie possibly could have done, they do it. Uh, and then Margaret's like, no, that wasn't me who sent you away. That was Fiona. I love you. I want to marry you, and he's like,
I want to marry you. So then they find a random priest who was about to board his flight, and this pell Gravy and or whatever the fun country they're in. At this point, I was like, sure, I also something I got really stuck on. But apparently they were I was. I was outraged at the very idea that there would be a direct flight from Chicago to Belgrada. But I guess if they were going to London to get a
connecting flight to Chicago. So you know what, good job movie, good job, Like, there's no way there's a direct from Chicago to belgrad Via. I just don't believe it anyways, But yes, they find a priest who is about to get onto a fucking delta flight and then they make him officiate their impromptu airport wedding. Kevin does not card Vanessa.
No one has to prove their identity first of all, priest needs to get his act together, because I'm pretty sure you need to prove who you are before you can get married, and you need to like sign documents. And it was a sham. It was a sham of a question. And I know that they know that they weren't they're not actually married, and that Kevin ken still go back to Chicago. And we don't need to continue. Well maybe that's part of the plot of the third movie. Anyway,
Mary was the marriage was clearly not legitimate. The priest was coerced. So this completely not legally binding marriage happens at the airport. And then the next day is Christmas, and that is when the real Margaret has her real coronation to become the real queen. And this is where Queen Amber and King Richard from Christmas Prince and their royal baby baby they are present, and we go and then everyone lives happily ever after. And that's the movie.
This is the smallest reward that I'll get. I was concerned that the coronation was also going to turn into a second wedding. I was at least glad that, like, after the port wedding, I'm like, oh my god, they're gonna do like and now here's the real wedding. But at least, at very very least, the coronation stayed focused on Margaret as it should have stayed focused on Margaret, even though it was nothing makes sense, but I did appreciate.
I was concerned there was going to be a second, larger wedding following the airport, wedding, a few, a few things that we blew through that I just I just Stacy escaping from the hench people is extremely compelling. That was the coolest thing she's ever done in her entire character's life is when she escapes from I'm like, okay, so you have skills, you can at least bake and escape old castles, like, you know, apply these skills somewhere, you know, just do that. And I like that, I do.
I will hand it to the movie that she got herself out of that situation. Edward throws a punt at the very end, but that's literally the first thing he's done in the entire movie, so I think I'll give it. But like he didn't rescue her, she rescued herself. She rescues herself, and then Edward throws a ceremonial princely punch at the end to um, what's his name? Does it pass the Bechtel test when the most boring character in the movie punches the most interesting character in the movie
in the face, Yes, it does? And does it? We also skipped over this. Does it pass the Betel test when one hench person locks another hench person in a Trunk does that because gets for some reason. Does it pass the Bectel test where she gets out when third Vanessa Hudgens ak, Fiona is looking at herself in the mirror, laughing and being like, oh what the heads? Yes, okay, that actually I think it does when any of the Vanessa's. I would say it does not pass the Becktel test
very much. I wasn't keeping like super close math on this, but it barely passes between Stacy and Margaret if at all, because all they ever do is talk about bucking Kevin. Uh so that's not good. I think it does pass between the gals and Olivia at one point. Um, it definitely passes between Fiona and Margaret. That basically that whole scene is Fiona. Does it pass with Vanessa Hudgens tells
a different Vanessa Hudgens that she's useless and to get out. Yes. Um, so it does pass between various Vanessas, and also with Olivia, and then I think with Sarsia a couple of times. But the okay, the end, the end, the end where Fiona, okay, so I do love when Margaret rolls up and you're like, okay, we know that Stacy has been captured. We haven't figured out that Kevin is going to the Belgravy and airport. I'm assuming the only one or not belgrad Montenar. I
don't know where they are. Yeah, I guess they are in Monteiro. It's it's pretty close, but like they're going to the Montenaro airport by Oh, okay, I have another question, but just a second, uh okay, um, So they roll up. I'm like, okay, this is where Margaret's arc is going to go. It's gonna be like she's finally gonna stand up for herself for the first time in the entire movie, and she's going to be like, Fiona, you're going you're
out of here, sweetheart. But she she sends Antonio to the dungeon, which is something that also exists in a Christmas Prince and I'm like, do those still exist? I don't know. They send Antonia to the dungeon life imprisonment right without a trial. Fiona talks her way out of it within a minute. Again, I'm like, we needed to see Margaret stand up to her bully cousin, and she doesn't do it. She's like, Okay, you're gonna have to do so much community service, and Fiona is like, thank
you so much. This was a big misunderstanding. Yeah, you're might stay Emily, and I always looked up to you. She's lying her way through the whole monologue, and Margaret completely buys it. If you're rooting for Fiona, it kind of rocks. Like if you're rooting for Fiona, at the end, you're like, wow, she was like a devious, lying villain to the very end, because there's no way she's like yeah because oh like because oh you just realized that?
Or also how that did you remember that line where Fiona is talking to Margaret and she says something to the effect of, yeah, you didn't realize that you wanted to be a queen until now. How do you know that about? It was iconic. It reminds me of that meme that's like, no, don't do that, you're so sexy. Ha ha. Fiona does that, but she's like, no, don't put me in the dungeon, you're so sexy ha ha. And Margaret's like, Okay, I won't and then she doesn't um.
But then she's told she has community service. But then she's seen surrounded by co and then at the coronation, Right, Yeah, did the people go to the dungeon? Why weren't they at the coronation? What happened there? What's not all about? Who was that cab driver? What was that all about? It? Isn't that a reference to the first movie? Yes? But I I went then I went back and watched the first movie, and I'm like, I also don't understand him
in the first movie? Is he Santa? I think it's there's some implication that he's sort of like this magical Christmas figure who orchestrates these fantastical storylines or something. But then I also was like, we didn't get a satisfactory enough answer of who he was in the first movie to justify bringing him back, because what his plot? He's like a plot Santa, because all he does is all he does. He also does more in the first movie
than he does in this one. The only thing he does in this movie drives Kevin and Olivia to the airport the wrong way, Like he just drives into the airport really really slow, in a very roundabout Yes, last Exanta, Um, he just drives into the airport wrong because he knows that one of the Vanessa's has to get out of a castle, and the other Vanessa has to also. That wasn't the castle they were describing like a good hour away from the They say that the castle is an
hour away, so you have to factor. So I'm like, how long were they in this cab? Right? That was such a commute, that's like a two hour? How far the airport? Unless the airport just happened to be right next to the Pembroke estate. But we have we're not given a map. We don't know. We assume it's quite a drive. I felt like I was just spinning around in a circle when I was supposed to be dancing. It was really jarring experience. Well, also, Olivia, I guess
you know what fun Chicago, Olivia? We live in We live in Montenaro now, just like, oh, what's that you say, Olivia? Just like the end of the last fuck movie? That's right, these characters have the exact same ending as the last movie. It's I mean, it's easy to like uproot a child character from her life when you don't do anything at all to characterize her or give her like an interior life at all, and only make her obsessed with whether who her father is having sex with and whether or
not they're having sex. I feel for Kevin to an extent, but also like he shouldn't have shown up like that. Margaret could have been justifiably mad at him. He shouldn't have brought his child into this whole situation again, So
what's what? So let's not forget So the movie. This movie opens after the animated montage, but before the plot starts, and the whole plot of the first movie revolves around this baking contest, which what is up with Belgravia and Montenaro that they have their royal family being the judges for these low budget baking contests. Yeah, it's like, are you that? It brings me back to the first scene where like Stacy and Everler are like, we're so busy
and it's like going to going to a baking competition. Sure, yeah, it's like okay, yeah, you're booked right up. I will say that that of and this is like not really a compliment, but the Princess Switch movies are a little more diverse than some of the other Netflix Christmas movies because usually, especially in the Christmas Prince, which we'll talk about in another episode. Um, when there are non white characters. They are troped, troped, troped in very offensive ways, unusually
relegated to like secondary or tertiary characters exactly. So in the Princess Switch, um that doesn't happen. It's still very aggressively hetero, and the movies are still like gone awful. But um, you know there, that's the end of my sentence that taking to leave it, most of choose to
leave it. Um, And that's okay, No, But yeah, I mean Christmas movies in general, when we've talked about this, I mean there's a whole conversation to be had, which we've had on on different episodes about just the centering the rigid white heateronus of that and just like holiday movies predominantly being about Christmas, which is obviously a very Christian holiday, leaving out many other holidays of this season, other holidays of any season, any other religions, any non religions,
you know, like about secular people and their celebrations, and you know, just completely erasing any kind of other cultures or religions, holidays and traditions and things like that. So there's just like a very like Christian, white, hetero centric
idealization of it's. I mean, if you look at something I'm sure that a lot of our listeners have seen already, like the montages of Hallmark Christmas movie posters, it's always like a hetero white couple in when one's wearing a green sweater and one's wearing a blue sweater and they're all the same exact movie. Yeah, I mean, it's it's something that it seems like at very least these companies are becoming aware of and they're aware that there is
a demand for more diversity in this genre. So I hope we continue to see more of that, even in the Netflix Christmas Movie universe, like you've seen things improving. The movies are always bad, but that's also the genre like I don't Know the Princess, which is like definitely a nudge in the right direction in in in that regard, the movies are never going to be good and we all and on top of that, um, we need movies
that are less rigidly hetero. I mean again, a Christmas Prince tries to do this, but they do it in mostly a way that's trophy and bad. So it's it's interesting how I feel like these genres especially these very formula genres are interesting to keep an eye on in terms of like progress and representation. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. This genre in particular has so much work to do in terms of casting more diversely telling literally and a second story. A second story would be amazing,
um because it's mostly the same movie five thousand times. Yes, there's been a lot written about it as well that probably speak to this more particulately than we are, and
I feel like we we do talk about it every year. Um, So this this genre is this movie and this series is not the Worst Offender, which is definitely saying much, not saying much, but you know, it's I think that, like, it is true that when movies like these do well and they're continually like nudged and pressured to have more representation and the worst film genre of all time, like, it does make a difference, and it's important that we keep yeah talking about it. Um, you know, I do
want a fourth Vanessa Hudgens. Well, here, let me tell you about my pitch for Princess Switched three, Switched again again. This episode is officially longer than the um. Well, I luckily have most of my notes they've already been said. I do have a couple other things, but yeah, so here's a pitch that I spent exactly five seconds thinking of. So it doesn't make any sense, but neither do any of these movies, so it's actually very in keeping with
UM the brand. Okay, So the movie opens, Margaret is six months gregnant with a royal baby, but her airport wedding with Kevin was only three months ago. Oh no, So to avoid a pre marital sex scandal, she and Stacy have to switch places again because Stacy is not gregnant, so that Stacy can appear in public as Margaret looking non pregnant. But Stacy is getting tired of being in the public eye, so she's like, this is so much pressure. I don't know how much longer I can deal with this.
And then just then a long lost cousin of Stacy's who comes from deep within Appalachia shows up and she's like, why do you get all the like royal fun? I want a part of this, you know where we're for family, I should be entitled to some you know, royal whatever. So but she this this this cousin almost discovers this secret pregnancy, so then they have to get Fiona back. Sorry what did you say? Sorry? Gregnancy, thank you, You're welcome.
So then they have to get Margaret's cousin Fiona back to pretend to actually, no, I don't This is that I've lost the thread. But basically there's something there. You get the four Vanessa Hudgens is I want Vanessa Hudgens to give birth to another Vanessa Hudgens. Oh full of Vanessa size. They're like she or like one of the okay, whore's my pitch. Stacey lays an egg one day and
she's like, oh my god, what is this? And then it's called It's called Princess Switched three, switched again again the Royal egg and uh, I'll butt an egg that Stacy plays and she has to sit on the egg, and meanwhile Fiona and Margaret have to switch for some reason,
someone has to switch with Stacy. So now a different Vanessa sitting on the egg, and all this stuff happens, and then at the end, Edward eats a peanut and he dies, and he dies, and just as he's dying, a fourth Vanessa Hudgens hatches out of the egg and then everyone has dad trauma. All the vanessas this state. Is Stacy's father alive? Do we know? Does he forget? I don't know if that if he ever gets brought up, so I'm not sure. Well my pitches fourth Vanessa Hudgens
hatches out of an egg. Incredible. Let's pitch it to the most generic sounding production company in the world, most picture corporation of our American of America, Motion Pictures, Chicago of America. I just have a couple last I mean, we've talked about how trophy these movies tend to be. Their trophy in this in the kind of Christmas movie sense,
their trophy in the rom com sense. Part of that is a makeover montage in which we get not one, not two, but three different makeovers happening because of all the switches I guess necessary to the plot. But is it um? But is it? Oh? Okay? A couple of notes on um Fiona, who again is the best character. At one point she gets into a convertible while it is snowing with the top down and drives off in the snow with the top still down. Explain that I
honestly did not even notice. Now I'll try to figure out the time code for that because it's I must watch. I honestly didn't even register the aggressive makeup or seeing thincause I think I'm so gas lit by this. Good call, Good call, um, Let me see, was there anything else? My last question I had This is kind of a crossover question with our Christmas Princes two episode, But my question is what side of World War Two was Belgravia on. I could see it going either way. I don't know.
I don't know, I don't trust I don't trust um. Maybe that's why Vanessa wasn't upset that her father died. Maybe he was on the wrong side of World War Two. I don't know. Who could be. Yeah, there's what's the history of this country? I feel like with Aldovia we get too much history in bait where, but their history is mostly related to curses and ghosts. But Belgrava, we know nothing. You know nothing about the history of the I wouldn't be surprised if they had a pretty fashi history.
That's just my thought. We got we gotta get to the bottom of this. We got another year. We certainly do. The movie does pass the Bechtel test, As we mentioned, However, nipple scale wise, Uh, what do you even do this? I guess I would give it. This is too generous. I will say this right now, but I will give it one and a half because I was so passionate about Fiona's character. I was genuinely like, I know, Vanessa Hudgens, there is a lot to criticize there, and also she
is terrible at apologizing when she sucks up. That said, her performance of Fiona is I think my favorite performance she's ever given. And I really was rooting for Fiona to steal Montenaro, and I thought she was like a highly motivated even if the motivation made no sense, I was rooting for her. She was in she was in charge. Uh, she didn't care if her family lived, her died. Like I just was like, Wow, what what a compelling character.
So I'm going to give one and a half nipples exclusively for Fiona and also her two hunch people who were also icon One of the Mendi is wearing safety pin earrings and they're I'm like, where can I buy those?
Um all very two thousands of yes. I would say one of the better female movie villains I have seen really ever so yeah, especially I feel like there's not a lot of female Well this could this maybe isn't true, but like in terms of like Christmas movie villains in particular, I feel like there's not a lot of female This is so in the weeds, but like female Christmas movie villains, there's not a lot of them. And and Fiona is an incredible one. She's so good, She's better than Simon.
Oh yeah, obviously. But it goes without saying so I was good. I mean, and when I have nipples generous, yes, I was going to give it to which is really too generous, too nipples, I'll have it to two because when you do the math, two out of five is still which is an f that is a failing grade. Um, So I feel okay about that. But you know what, you're right, let's let's give let's give the full nip. It's the holidays. Yeah, it's I'm feeling generous. Yeah, let's
right in that mood to nipples. Yeah, it's still rom com Christmas movie propaganda. It's very trophy. It's not well written or thought out. The female characters are. Nothing really interesting is done with them, speaking specifically about Stacy and Margaret. But I do really enjoy Fiona as a character, as a villain. I think the movie was probably written in than a week, and then maybe that's why it's so sloppy.
But I also am like it has to just be like no one, because I think that if you were going to write a movie that made this little sense on purpose, it would actually be really hard. You know, like maybe it would be easier to write a movie that sort of made sense in a week than write a movie that makes no sense on purpose in a week, which which supports the forty five minute draft hypothesis. I
can see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's this movie isn't contemptuous of women, but it just didn't try very hard. That said Fiona Pembroke contemptuous of father's it's really murdering father's right and left. But I do love the Fiona character. Another really great female movie villain from Josie and the Pussycats is also named Fiona. Is it a trope? We'll find out? Um anyway, two nipples, uh, and I will give one to Fiona and I will give one to Reggie. Oh.
I love what you and Reggie have. Um. I feel like he and I could be best friends. I'm just obsessed with Fiona. It's not it's not okay, it's not right, but it is. Yeah, so here we are. Well that's the end of the episode. So this needs to be said. What else? We we said it all, We said it all and then some. So if you in this essay, we did so. If you don't already, subscribe to the Matreon once again. Now it's a great time to do it. To get episodes like this. It's a gift you gift
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