The Fifth Element with Danielle Radford

we recorded that episode, we're now aware of them. Um. So part of it is that a lot of the story broke after we after, and some did before, but the three of us were not aware of any of this at the time this episode was recorded. So um, if you're looking for analysis on that, and unfortunately we didn't know, but if you do a little research, he's

basically the Harvey Weinstein of France. Yes, has been accused of a lot of actual misconduct assault and I mean, if we have any French listeners, we would love to hear your take on it. But it seems like the situation is being handled very differently and he is continuing to work a problem boo. So just a little context up top. Sorry to start a downer, but Danielle is amazing. The episode is a blast, so fun and we hope you enjoy it. Yeah. On the delcast, the questions asked

if movies have women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? Did? Do they have individuals and the patriarchy? That the best start changing it with the beck Del cast. Welcome to the backcast, Like, Hi, thanks for so. The movie we're covering today is the Fifth Element? By round applause? Who has seen it? Great? Okay, and there anyone who hasn't. I hadn't, so don't be shy. Yeah, my soul sibling. Yeah, we're talking about the Fifth Element today.

I am man, what a ride? What did you know? The future is not female? The future is French, So we've got a French as patriarchy to look forward to according to this movie. Yeah. So we use the Bechtel test as a jumping off point to initiate a larger conversation about the representation and portrayal of women in movies. Uh,

and what is the Bechtel test? Well? The Bechtel test is a metric created originally by cartoonist Alison Bechtel that requires a piece of media include two female identifying characters with names for our purposes, who speak about something other than a man to each other for more than two lines of dialogue. You think it would be easy, you would think, and yet this movie doesn't matter. Whoops, oh

blew it at the top of the show. So I am so tired of people being like the show is, like, does it pass the Bechtel tis like, obviously no, it doesn't. Ever if you're listening for seventy minutes to be like, grow up, that's you know, it's a what I what I What I've tried to say is I'm sorry, I've had half of Mike's Hard and I'm fucked up? Uh? Is that it is a jumping off point for discussion. It is not by any means. There are some movies we've done that passed the Bechtel test by two female

identifying characters telling each other to kill themselves. So you know, it is not a metric of being a feminist icon by any means. No, no, no, no, no, And tonight to join us in our discussion. We've got a wonderful guest. You know, we're from screen junkies and tights and fights. It's Danielle Radford, Hi, well I did it. Also, I should have brought my purse, because like, I don't sit like a lady, and that's never more evident when I don't just have my purse here to save me from showing. Well,

let's redefine how sitting like a lady? Okay, I sound like a person who doesn't care if you see her vagina. Right, So maybe not like a lady, but just like a human who doesn't want to be arrested. Okay, I only wear skirts and I don't cross my legs up, guys, an icon in your right, I am the Jaden Smith. Okay, so we're talking about the fifth element. Danielle, what is your history your relationship with the movie. So, this is one of my favorite movies. Um So, I will prefaces

by saying I love things that are bad. I do not think this movie is bad. I think this movie is great, and I think that it doesn't pass my bad test, but it does come really goddamn close. Just like everyone. Oh so, I have a really specific test for what makes a good bad movie. First of all, obviously it has to be bad. That's the first thing, of course, obviously. Um Secondly, it has to be sincere. It can't be like Snakes on the Plane, where they're like, oh,

we're gonna make a bad movie. It's like, no, the people making it, even if it's intentionally campy, the people making it have to care about what they are doing. That there's a reason why Black Dynamite, while it is obviously meant to be this like Pastiche, is also still a really fun bad movie and not just like a cynical we tried to make a bad movie. Um. And Third,

you've got to have spectacle. There has to be spectacle of some kind, whether it's like you know, in the case of show Girls, it's all of the dancing, or whether it's a sci fi movie and there is good or bad c g I or makeup or characters, or whether you just have Tommy was So, which is spectacle on his own. What's your favorite bad movie? Oh, gosh, um the Last Dragon. Oh I've never seen that one. Oh it's so good, good, it's good. Yeah, yeah, it's

um So. In the eighties, Barry Gordy decided that black folks really like karate, so he decided to make a movie which is not a musical wink wink, but is filled with the music of motown in the eighties, which is most of you know, no one was listening to and there were some but not a whole bunch. And yeah, it started a guy named Tie Mock one name um. And it also started a Prince Protege and X Prince Protegeania and Vanity Good. I want to watch this movie

really bad. Our next live show, we'll be covering last bad movie really quick. Um. I have exquisite taste, so I don't like any bad movies. No. Um, probably like Spiceworld or something, So it's not a bad movie. Alan Cummings in it. That doesn't count, right. I have a tie between I Frankenstein and Jobs. The one with Ashton Kutcher and Ashton Kutcher pretending like he's a character actor is spectacle. It is. He was like, here's my nomination, guys,

it's me Cher. He's like, I'm a little too handsome, you know, like that's kind of his thing. I'm in a turtle Nick. That is kind of like My favorite kind of bad biopic is when you feel like the lead actor, even though they're technically not as are constantly looking like, you know, this isn't me right, that's just kind of funny. I'm I'm Ashton Kutcher, actual culture. Y'all know I fucked right, Yeah, I don't know how I came. I don't even know how to turn a computer on.

It's like, oh cool, okay, So sorry at the fifth element. Sorry to derail this conversation, but so the fifth element. You think it's a good, bad movie. Yes, and it's one of your favorites. It's one of my favorites. It is also one of my oma's favorites, which anytime my Oma loves movie, I know it's bad. So it's awesome, Jamie. What's your history? Uh? Well, as I've been critiqued and praised for I saw it this morning. I have never

I had no history of this movie. I wasn't aware it was a movie that was famous so much that I pushed back. It is like, no one's seen that movie. And I was informed that nearly everyone but me has seen that movie and that I'm a dumbass. So I saw it today. Great, but I enjoyed it. That's surprising because it's not your genre. It's no, I'm not normally a sci fi person, but I mean the outfits, the wigs.

You feel at any moment in this movie or like someone could break into song given the aesthetic of the movie and the vibe the actors are putting out, there could be a musical number, but they're just simply isn't It was a choice. Also one of my favorites. I saw for the first time, I think in college. I don't know if you know this, but I did go to film school twice. Um, I do have a master's green screenwriting from bost University. I would never bring it up,

but I do. Oh wow, no one likes the bits. Thanks okay, thanks smattering, But yeah, I really enjoyed this movie upon the rewatch, though it felt a little tedious. Uh it's long. I don't remember being over two hours half hours long. You know, it's like two hours and six minutes. No, it's two and a half hours long. Really. I watched it on daily motion dot com Galen, it's two and a half hours up. Oh, you're pirated video names. They're not sponsoring this. I simply didn't want to pay.

It's too old. If the movie came out before two five, I won't pay to watch it. It should just be free at that point. It should I'm just like, you know what, you had your chance to get my money. Why are we still paying for Chinatown? I paid for Miss Congeniality recently, and I was furious because no, yeah at daily motion dot com. So there's no excuses because they you apparently watched like an extended cut because it's because if you watch it on daily Motion, they have

to slow it down so it tricks the algorithm. So you're probably watch one two hours and thirty six minutes long. Yeah, so you're watching the version where oh we're Rudy rod Is talking like a normal person. Oh no, no, it's twenty extra minutes right there. Well, you know what, because they're not our sponsor. Fuck daily dot com upload better pirated files. Yeah, so it's long and it was a little tedious. There's there's lots to talk about, and I'm

excited to do that. So without much further ado, I'll do that recap that we're also fond of. Oh wow, alright we open. It's nineteen fourteen in Egypt. What is this The Mummy starring Brandon Fraser. Literally, yeah, there are a lot of white guy archaeologists. I love how like in any movie that opens like around World War One. Everyone's like colonialism was awesome, right, They're just like looking at all this cool stuff we found that no one's seen before. Yeah, yeah, we stole it, but it was

for the greater good. Like it was just horrible. Uh. And in this movie, they're like looking at some hieroglyphics and they tell of this evil force that's going to show up soon, but there's a weapon against it. The were elements plus a fifth element there. I spent a lot of this movie confused because I forgot that we were talking about elements allah Avatard The Last Airbender and not senses, where I was like, oh, like the movie I turned it on, I was like, oh, taste probably

just a wild guess. But they're talking about elements and that I don't know how many for example, earth, fire, wind, and water, air and tastes, so there's actually six and they're wrong. Okay, So those four elements plus taste plus a fifth element will combine to make a weapon that

will fight against this impending evil. Uh. And then all these aliens show up and they're like, we're taking these these stones that represent each one of the elements, and we say aliens, but their muppets that there's something the robots, robot aliens they look like sarcopha guy that move. Yeah, and they're like, hey, priests, that's here, make sure you pass up down this information because like the evil stuff is going to come in three hundred years and aliens

give so much exposition. They're like, remember three hundred years, only priests could pass down and he's like, I will do that, but it's supposed to be scary also, and only the whitest Yes, yes, and then we got to believe it or not three hundred years later. Okay, so I read on the Wikipedia. Okay, my two favorite websites,

daiely motion dot com, Wikipedia dot com. Uh that it's twenty two sixty three, Like it's over so it's not an exact science, I guess, but there's uh yeah, so in the future where the evil had been gathering and it took it three years to get to the point where it was scaring Zeus Tiny, the guy who played the president. Yes, yes, so it's like far in the future, are still patriarchy, but it's French now and and and

men wear sexy tank tops. That's the where the vibe of this patriarchy and so this like ominous like planet thing shows up. The President and the military try to destroy it, but every time they do that, it just gets like more evil, so they're like, oh no. And also this was during a period We're having a black president. Seemed very sci fi, right. What was the other was a deep and deep impact another one where it was like, we only get a black president when the world's about

to all ship. So then Father Cornelius shows up and he's like, hey, this is the evil thing the priest. It's not the same actor, but it may as well be the same actor who's like, hey, that thing right, except now it's Bilbo Baggins. Oh yeah, yeah, okay. So then we meet Corbin Dallas at Bruce Willis's character to be confused with Corbyn Blue for this, and the audience who are like, wait a second, wait, what's up from He's is this like a d calm Nickelodeon is adcom

thing there? Corbyn Blue was in the high School Musical franchise to start, and then he went on to have a successful career. He's great, He's in Beils just the musical in Washington, d C. Right now. So that is something that I found out on purpose. I like to keep up with him. Okay, So Corbyn Dallas. He is a cab driver in New York City. Ever heard of it? And its future? So air cars. Yeah, he's ex military, because Bruce Willis can't play someone who's not either a

cop or in the military. Uh. He's a tough guy, but he's got a cat to um. Now would be a good time to bring up the fact that cats do have eight nipples and uh, that's cat facts with Caitlin, okay. Uh. And the whole his whole thing is he's looking for the perfect woman. The word perfect is invoked so many times in reference to like, you know, five nine blue eyes, good skin, perfect and you're like, it's so many times the word perfect is used in reference to someone who

is being exploited by the governments. I'm a weapon from there, it's bad. Okay. So then the Mondo shoot shoeing. Those are the aliens from the beginning of the movie. Literally every alien in every universe sounds like someone who was pretending like they know how to speak Japanese. But it's fine. Yeah, so they show up, They're like, we're here to help. We've got those stones. But then the stones. The stones

bother me. It is like what if we had five Chekhov's guns, like the Holy Like the whole plot use of the stones is like every at some point in the middle of the movie, all of a sudden, it's all about the stones, and every main character, every other line to be like the stones. Where are the stones? Okay, so they're like here, we're here to help. But the their ship crashes because some bad aliens show up and shoot it down. But there's a lone survivor, a k

It's like, she's a hand. Yeah, it's a hand which is comprised of like very highly advanced genetic material. Um. So some engineers show up, some perverts in New York bring her back to life. No women in stem in in that No, just perverts and stuff bring her back to life. And it turns out she's a sexy lady parentheses a nude. Yes, and they're like, oh god, she's perfect. And then the word perfect is invoked no less than

four times in that scene. Yes, and then like put bandages on her, and then the bandages form a sexy leotard. That's how bandages work. No, the bandages in the future not only are not used to protect against injury that doesn't exist. Um, they also just magically form around your body and snap off and never come around your little butt. And then there I was like, oh, these are bandages

that like follow the Instagram policy. Is how conveniens in they're like bondages like and then she was strapped the bed and then when she got up, it was like, I guess you were sexy or more perfect when you were strapped with this bed. And then they become like her, and then they're like, I guess we better become a leotard that will become you know, the choice of like the girl who's unlike the other girls at all college

Halloween parties until Kingdom fucking come. So then she escapes from this lab and she ends up in the back seat of our friend Corbin Dallas's cab, not Corbon Blue, not Corby. Again, I can't say it enough. He was a baby. So because she's so perfect and because he thinks she's hot, he helps her escape from the cops and he takes her to Father Courtnelius and he's like, oh, ship, this is the fifth element. She's perfect. It's taste. We can we can tell because she's white right, yes, uh,

and we learned her name is is Leulu. And then the priest is like, get out of here, Bruce Willis. And then Chris Wallis is like, but my tanked up and the phrase is like I respect her tank tub. It's very good, but leave. It has like a cut out of the back, cut in the back. It's really a cute It's I was telling Danielle and I think

it's like a tank top that I would wear today. Yeah, it feels like, um, it was meant to show off how hot nineties Bruce Willis still was, you know, back when he cared about acting um, because some people that's like body is hot. It just like, ah, you're still you're You're still doing this because you like it. And but it is one of those things where it's like I feel like that is the outfit they would give to a woman now to be like, see we're relevant.

She doesn't just have to wear two band aids, like she could definitely wear this tank top outfit and go after aperture. Yeah, there are a lot of Zara in spo from from these outfits. This is like a fun period for Bruce Willis where he's like famous enough that he's like, you know, I'm just gonna try. So I'm gonna play the same character without doubt every single time. However, maybe I'll wear a tank top and we're like, you know what's good for you? Yeah, maybe I'll be Bruce

Willis in space this time. No one's ready for that, Like, Okay, we've mastered Bruce Willis on Earth. Where do we go tank top? Bruce Willis in space? Play a harmonica in space? Does it? We've got to ask him? Okay. So then they're like, where are the stones that are supposed to Prestone? And Leelu is like, oh, we gave them to this diva who sings opera. Let's go to that place which

is called flots and Paradise. But then also there's this bad guys Orgue played by Gary Oldman Boo, who is also trying to get the stones because the new his wife. I think if we're talking about Gary Oldman getting the stones, we have to say the stones, oh right, right right, yeah, that is how he sounds see and then also light that man on fire. Yeah, for those who aren't in the know, he beat his wife and he sucks anyway to those late to the Gary Oldman is canceled. Train

He's been canceled. Yes. So then because Corbyn Dallas is like a good thing, I'm ex military, this general comes around. He's like, hey, we need you to go to flats in Paradise to protect the diva. Is that what the mission is? I don't think because plot right. So he's like, okay, I'll go there. And then so everyone's trying to get to flats in Paradise. Now, so the priest is there, is there, Corbyn Dallas is there, the bad guys are there.

Turns out those stones that we've all been looking for, uh, they are inside of the big tall blue woman, because that's what we went to far, carrying important things inside of us dying. And then Bruce Willis is smart enough to be like, let me punch this dead woman, therefore launching us into the third act of a movie. And we're like, yeah, he punches a dead woman in her stomach, puncturing her flesh and winds and we did it. We yea. So now the good guys have the stones and the

bad guys are trying to get them. So there's a there's a fight, and then they go to Egypt and that big like evil ball is like looming towards Earth. So they go to Egypt Stones and then they go to this tomb that we saw in the beginning of the movie, and they're like, oh, how do we do this? And then they figured out they like gift to blow on the stones and set them on fire, you know, the corresponding elements, and then it saves the day. The stones are so stupid there, it's like, yeah, it's like

the guns. Another draft of the script, we could cut the stones. I think. I think the stones are a sensi candle, you know, interesting like I don't know if your college or high school um friends to hit you up yet to try to sell you on multi level marketing schemes where it's like, well, look, our candles don't need fire, or some of them do. But some of them you can put in a heating element, and then some of them you can blow on, and then some of them you need a girl to remember what love is.

I feel like that's killen, Caitlin. I have to ask consent for something. Please, can we take a break? I grant you permission and consent to take a break. A very progressive transition to advertise the whole thing with this movie is it's like, okay, so we've got a woman as christ figure. The twist is she doesn't get to do fucking anything and she needs a head or a white love to create taste or something. Yeah, I'm not

totally sure. Now that's pretty much it. Yeah, but it ends with like they kiss a beam of light for their boring love right explodes out from them, and then it cuts forward to like the president being like cool, good that happened, and then he calls Bruce Willis his mom, who's like a very stereotypically like naggy mom, and she's like, Mayor, the president sucks. And then the President's like, what the heck? And then we got to Bruce Willis fucking, and then

the movie's over. You're like, we can't end the movie with. I feel like that's like a contractual thing for person Willis. He's like, I have to be fucking on screen or I won't do it. I don't care how out of plot it seems. I feel like he doesn't suck that much in movies. Really. Yeah. I feel like it's more of like the threat that he will fuck. It's like we know that the intent is that he's so sexy that he will be fucked. He and Alan Rickman don't

fuck in that movie. Maybe I'm watching the Rung movie. If you're watching him on dailymotion dot com, who knows what. Really, it would be really funny if I was just watching the porn version of the movie. I think, like, yeah, really not fair to women. But yeah, so we do see him sucking this movie, and that was the ending really through me. I did not see the president Naggie

mom fucking three punch in a row. Well, they're also they're so they're fucking in the like rejuvenation chamber or whatever it is they call it, Like they're in the chamber where she was born. That's fucking weird. Oh yeah, it's like her mom. Yeah, whoa, but like that's where

that's where she became a person. And it's great because she still isn't quite one yet, so you can just take her back there and just great transition into one of the main talking points for this movie and part of the reason that we had it like on our radar of stuff we wanted to cover in the first place. Yes, and that of course is the born sexy Yesterday trope. If you're not familiar. This is a trope that was the name was coined by Jonathan McIntosh on his one

of his pop culture detective video essays. But it basically describes a trope that's like very common in sci fi especially, and it's characterized by an adult woman being physically immature and sexual, but she has the brain and naivete of a baby. And part of the funny thing about this trope is it is rooted in per that video, and the read of most people is like, is it's very

much rooted in male insecurity. That is like they can't hack it with women who have lived any manner of life, and so they're like, what if it's a body I want to funk, but someone who doesn't know anything and has never met anyone, I would look great to someone who doesn't know anyone. And what if my dick was the first dick she saw exactly? Like what if I had a like it? It is very sinister and like deeply rooted and the way it is, but describing it

is very silly. There's like a lot of examples, and some of them are given by McIntosh, but there are examples of reverses of this trope. But the way it is treated by the movie is very silly, Like the like Big is a great example of like, uh baby brain and a grown man's body. But the man in that movie is not sexualized in a deep way. Most of the stuff he's doing is played for laughs and played for like, isn't this ridiculous? Blah blah blah, And

so it is. As much as you get the argument that it's played for men and women in movies, the way it's treated by the camera and by the plot is always very different, and it's certainly I would say more common for the born sex yesterday character to be a woman in most cases. Yeah, I mean it's like not like the men. They're like, we've got to see his dick, Like there's but like in this, in this first shot evanlue Lou, we see her completely new, a

very like gratuitous nude shot of her. And yeah, like you were saying, it's problematic, got a number of levels. One because this character usually ends up being the love interest of the male hero because it's like the first man she ever meet. She was like, well, I don't know anyone else, so you're the one. That's why we all have And it Yeah, it's like this unequal power dynamic.

Like you said, it's like based on male and securities and like the fear of being inadequate both intellectually and sexually. And also I think you know, it's where well actually comes from. It's like a way to manifest man splaining totally. I get to explain everything to her, Yeah, and then she gonna fuck right because he usually and these stories ends up like teaching her everything about the world and

including sex. So yeah, it basically allows them to fulfill this fantasy where it's like I'm the awesomest guy you've ever seen, and here's everything I know. Yeah, it's like

this creepy flattening of sexy professor. Yes, yes, we're like tricky because it's like we're not even saying that characters shouldn't be able to learn from each other regardless of gender, but it's so unequal that it's like, oh, this person doesn't know how to eat, like she didn't don't date them, You don't know what a spoon is, you know, or like you don't know how flatwear works, or like Lulu doesn't know how showers work, and that is something that

he's like, oh my God, your nipples, Like you're just like, no, that's not what is the focus? That doesn't make sense. It's a very frustrating trope. And it's it is so extremely common. I mean it comes up in movies even now, like it was coming up in Tron and then what then is the movie where Oscar isaacs a hot scientist. Oh x mocks another one. I mean, if you can, it can be argued. It comes up in Wonder Woman

quite a bit. We talked about what he does, and it's it's frustrating because another thing about that trope, to sort of neutralize it a little bit, is that very often the woman has like a skill or two that is impressive to the man, which is usually that she can sort of fight, she can't be creepy, she kicks high. You're like, well, a baby can't do that, so I can have sex with her, Like you're just like the last time you saw a baby shoot a gun? Oh,

I think it's like fair that we are married. Like, no, it is a very it's a very complex trope, like like the guys are trying to get you in every corner of like, well, babies don't shoe guns, And I could suck a baby if it was Oh, lady, she needs help bathing, but like she could beat me up, so it's fine. She remember that scene yet we're dating. Well, that leads me to another thing I wanted to talk about, where so her whole thing is that she's the supreme being.

She's the fifth element, like the thing that's needed to like save the world from this like catastrophic event, and she has the ability to like absorb all the information in the world in a matter of second. She learns very very quickly, which is which sounds cool but ultimately doesn't serve the plot very much. But it serves the

fucking Bruce Willis parts of the plot well. But you would think if she knew the history of the world, she would know not to trust Bruce Willis, Like, yeah, conveniently misses out on patriarchy, while through all of the wars she finds out about patriarchy, and literally the last second she's like, oh no, what is this? But then she's she learns about war and patriarchy in the third act, and then you see her like she's like and she's

crying and she's gonna wait. She's literally been kicking people in the face because they were trying to get to another woman. Yeah, she's she's been engaging in war and she's like, what's war? Like, Oh no, it's bad. And then she learns about war and patriarchy. But her solution to that is Bruce willis fuck me, Like, that's not the solution to that, kissed me on the stone. Oh

now you're all thinking of her with his head. But she has this like uncanny ability to like learned everything and be the smartest person ever really, but the only thing that he appreciates her for is how she looks. And this is a common thing that happens by a number of characters were out there, Like they talk about her as if she's an object. They call her a possession, they call her like they keep talking about how perfect

she is. She's spoken about as if she's an item for the whole movie and even and even when she does learn, it's that thing of like, well, she learns, but she doesn't have emotional intelligence. So she has book learning and she gets things, but she doesn't like she still isn't capable. She's a computer. Basically, she's a computer that corporate DALYs is like, oh yeah, like five nine

and that. You know, the further we get from weird science, the more that I'm like that chick was right punch those nerds in the face or however that right kill them boy? That movie O God, Yeah, the Bruce will Is tank top I would like to just bring up again good Yeah. I just think it's dumb that she has ability to learn like an infinite amount of knowledge, but he was only impressed by how attractive she is. Well,

the thing that they're trying to do. I mean, this movie is all over the place, and I think part of the reason it is as I did some research on the origin of where this movie came from, and it's partially built from a treatment or a short story that director wrote when he was a teenager. And so if you saw this movie and you're like, seems like a horny French boys fantasy, you're exactly right, Like what if a horny French boy had millions of dollars? This

movie answers that question. And best um has always been like, you know, he was a big and and you got to see a lot of what he based that on in Valerian, which no one watched who just really weirdly saw that. Sorry, Yeah, did you like it? No, Yeah, because it's another one where it's like this time, instead of plucking a woman out of time and making her the perfect woman, they pluck a woman out of time and she's still in this series, which is based on

this old French like newspaper Cereal. It's like their version of Valiant or whatever, which is another thing that none of us here watched or read in the cartoon section. It was the one that you skipped and um or you put dicks on and like me and so in that series, the dude from the future, like they're also time travelers, he goes back and he grabs this peasant

woman from I want to say the seventeen or eighteenth century. Um. And so again it's that thing of like, oh, you're so pretty and so you know you're of these values, but I still have to teach you about this modern world, right, And that's where like so much of what the Fifth

Element became was based on this. And I think you had a great point about Wonder Woman too, of like I'm thinking men to our Wonder Woman episode where that was something we didn't pick up on at the time of like even a year of like, yeah, the male lead, and that would be one of the christ Is. I don't fucking know which time had to He's the one who just showed off as Pinus in that movie on Netflix. Is that the one? I honestly, I have Chris blindness. I can't tell any of them apart. I don't know.

There's too many, but there there it's a frustrating trope and and it so it was like built from his like something he wanted to do since he was a teenager. It seems like very little edits were made from his little horny story. So that's just a fact. Another thing I wanted to bring up. I mean, so, she is one of very few female characters in the movie. She's

the only one that is like a primary character. There are quite a few women with speaking roles in the movie, but they're mostly in like tertiary roles, and they're usually in like service, like a lot of secretaries attendants, someone who gets super super banged by Yeah. Yeah, wof. There's

a lot to unpack there there. I think it's interesting that they it's it's weird because I feel like what frustrated me about this movie, even though I ultimately did like it, is that this movie contradicts itself in so many ways where it's trying to have it so many ways where it's like with Lulu, you're given basically a female christ Like figure, but she doesn't get to do any of the cool stuff that comes with being a christ Like figure, like you've got if you were talking

movie christ like figures, you know, you've got your fucking Luke Skywalkers, you got your Harry Potters, you got your Jesus Christ, you got you got like and and the thing about Christ figure is, at some point you get to not be a baby and do something, and she doesn't get to do that. Yeah, it comes with a leadership role, right at a certain point. You know, you look at a Buffy and the thing about if you look at a Buffy, she kicks a lot of asks

and she's a young girl. But part of being the Slater and then obviously there's problems with that series too, a part of being the Slayers it comes with a natural leadership ability. Typically when it Dude, even if he discovers two days ago that he can maybe use the forest kind of if he squints, he suddenly becomes someone very important to the rebellion and and not just because you know, he can kind of maybe do a thing, but because they respect him for his brain, for his mind,

and he suddenly becomes a leader of people. And with the born sexy babies, they get to get past the baby face. She even wonder child, Yeah, like even wonder woman. She does become kind of a leader, but even then it's mostly when it's her and the Pine separated and he's like, oh, I've seen what she's doing, and so I'll go ahead and let her do it. But like as far as being a tactician or a military leader or someone who has the respect of folks, Lelu never

gets that, and she could murder all of them. And then she like passed respect more you should respect and angry baby even more, and she kind of conveniently tends to fall lamp or pass out when it would be convenient end for Bruce Willis's character to suddenly be useful. It's like Jean Graham the X Meen cartoon. Yes, yeah, so there is a sequence when they're on the Flotsam Jetsam place and then they're like, I was like, what is that from? Okay, the Paradise Hotel, which is basically

Titanic I think we can all agree. Um, they just evacuate and it does not work out. But there's a sequence where Lee Lu is like single handedly fighting a bunch of the bad aliens and then we're like, Okay, great, I guess she can fight because she looked up. It's basically that same sequence from The Matrix when she's like, I know kung fu, and then she even does this motion with her hand. But this movie came before the

Matrix is probably a reference to something else anyway. So she's like fighting off all these bad guys and then for no reason, she like starts to die, Like she becomes completely damseled and like it's just slam and don't do anything for the whole Third is Bruce Willis kisses, loves kiss at the end of the day, so it's true love's fucking kiss Like that's all it does. It he's speaking of kisses. Let's talk about the surprise kiss that happens. Okay, So this one, here's how it goes.

Uh Leelu is sleeping, repeat, unconscious, not conscious, cannot tell what's going on. Bruce Willis tries to kiss her in the tank top of all tops, and then she holds a gun to his head, and he's like, you're right, I shouldn't have done that. I shouldn't have tried to kiss you. But he's only saying that because there's a gun to his head. Life, and then she says something

in her like divine language, and then his defenses. He said, to wake you gently, and I thought you would remember me from the cab as if you know, have you ever wanted someone you met in a cab to kiss you while you're sleeping? It's like up someone was like, oh, I'm sorry I molested you, but remember me from the

uber pool, so and get away from me. Man, When that that whole kissing someone while they're sleeping thing was so prevalent that when I was a kid, I would think it was cute to run up on my parents and kiss him on this cheek while they were sleeping. And it took me three times to realize that's fucking terrifying. And it ends with adults screaming yeah, and that rings true till today that's so and then okay. So then he condescends to her and he's like, call me when

you can speak English. JK. But really, dick, she speaks like eighty languages. Sorry, she didn't get to English, and then later he's like, oh, what was that thing that she said? And then the priest translates it to never without my permission. So in this case of the surprise kiss in this movie, at least consent is acknowledged, and she does hold a gun to his head for trying to surprise kiss him, but he is not punished at all, really because then he ends up getting to kiss her

later for reasons that don't make sense. But you know, when you have a man and a woman in a story together, they better kiss on each other at the end. So that's just a world to say, a universe and some shows is he like makes it even more frustrating for me though, when it's like the movie demonstrates, yeah, we know what consented, we know how it works, we just don't care. Like that's like even more frustrating when

I mean, it's frustrating and unacceptable across the board. But you've got a somewhat different situation when you've got, for instance, Brendan Fraser My King the Mummy surprise kissing in the Mummy and it's never commented on, and the way that movie positions it is that they don't know what they're doing,

like they're stupid. Well, in that movie, he surprised kisses Rachel White's and then she's like and then she falls and you're like, all this movie is for idiots, Okay, got it, but this movie is like, no, not without my permission. And then you're like, oh, cool, we're on the right track, and they're like just getting we're not. We're gonna keep getting this woman naked and the movie won't like the world will end unless she gets like kissed by this guy who molested her at the beginning

of the movie. Awesome, and I wanted to talk more about that, the way that just the wardrobe of this movie, the way women are dressed. It's with Leelu especially. We already talked about the straps at somehow magically become like a bathe and it doesn't get better and movie goes on. It's like turns into it differently at aar but this one sort of has sleeves. Yeah, and it's it's matching

though Bruce's orange tank tops, so they matched. Yeah, that's great. Um, but yeah, we see her nipples I think no less than three times in the movie. She's alway. It's because she doesn't understand social norms, so that gives her permission to just be like, oh naked, and like even the Blue Singing Lady is wearing a dress that looks like she's naked, right, Like she's wearing a flesh colored for her dress. But don't worry, that scene ends with her

dying and getting punched in the stomach. We're not Mexo sexualizer. She's meant to be our mom there. It's like she's sexy until she's dead and then she's mommy, and you're like,

what is this fucking movie? But then the women who are like you know, the flight attendants and things like that, they're wearing these like very scant uniforms where oh yeah, yeah, it's the party plane, like that's what it is, right, Like it looks like remember in Iron Man when all of a sudden, all the stewardesses are on the pole, but in the beginning, they like pretend like they're not going to be on a pole and they're gonna be just flight attendants as the first Iron Man. Oh my god,

I haven't seen that. Oh yeah, so that it's a terrible scene and it's meant to be part of why Tony Stark sucks. It's meant to be part of why Tony Stark socks. But in this movie, all of the women are are dressed like the Halloween version of a flight attendant. Yeah, patriarchy is alive and well in Yes. Yeah.

The way that she's dressed throughout the movie, through the very end is like she starts nude, she ends nude, and in between there's a series of scantily clad outfits always and and the way she's filmed it's always very I mean fully male gaze. There's no commentary being made at all. And on that note, let's take a quick break. What do you say sounds good? All right? Can we talk about Ruby Road? We better queer icon, pans axual icon,

pantecrobably possible. I do find it interesting that this feels like they're trying to have it both ways, where they're like, we're gonna have a dude who is hyper sexual, turns on all the ladies all of this stuff, but in order to make sure that he is not more sexy or sexual than our lead, we have to give him parts that are feminine. It is like a very nineties way of looking at that I hear a lot of

homes in the audience. This is the thing I've thought about as another pan sexual, like on, um, you can't close your legs. So yeah, it is interesting because obviously, like he does have a feminine moments, but he is also like banging down stewardesses in weird ways, maybe more coercy, not super consensually ways. Yeah, with which we'll talk about. But it's also yeah, so they wanted clearly to make this character that's like super sexy. Everyone wants to be with him, but how do we make him not a

threat for our hero for the love of our baby woman. Right, He's also basically doing a podcast the whole thing. He's like, he's like talking into a mic. He's like like where the show is or where I was paying broadcast. It's like this could be anyone in Los Angeles. It's on iTunes cast for mattresses, but it was Blue Apron delivered uh fifty pounds of seafood onto my doorstep the other day, but yeah, so I don't know why they did. Yeah, he's got this like entourage of like men who were

like all kind of queer coded. He's coming, coming, man coming, and it's also a way to like slide in some black people that weren't um, you know, house musicians in the nineties in England, which is what basically all the other black people are where either English models or English rappers. A lot of it's very European. A lot of this movie. Really,

it is a tricky character. I feel like it very like very much falls under the umbrella that we come up with nineties movies all the time, which is like kind of like what you're saying, Daniel is like a movie trying to have it both ways. It's like, oh, this is some manner or impression of queer representation, but don't worry. There's still very bad to women, and like, yes, it's a manner of queer representation, but don't worry. Technically if you wrote them out of the script, the movie

would be no different. They really don't push the story forward in any way. It's sort of queer representation, but also they constantly are needing the straight male white lead to bail them out, and so it just feels like it it is a step in some ways, but also I don't know, it was frustrating. It's like you you want that character who is like so funny and so like well played to have more of a narrative impact.

It feels like someone loo black wife realize that a lot of the black people in the movie don't actually get to be people. It was like, maybe we should make one of the black people of purple and not make them an alien or paint them blue or like do whatever, Like maybe there should be one person that's clearly black. Yeah, it's like it's it's so frustrating because it's so well played and the character and it's funny

and the fits are incredible. I don't know, I just wish that it's it's very frustrating me when movies incorporate any marginalized group in a way that doesn't progress the narrative, because then it just sort of reads as to some extent, kind of like gratuitous, as like they were just doing it, like oh, I'll just do this, but it won't actually

make a difference. Yeah, that's what like when when the groups of the gates of the people, when they complain about this is just to please the s JW's, It's like, no, because we actually want our characters to mean something. This is because they want to at all four or five quadrants that has nothing to do with us, and that's what this was. Yeah, although again I mean I do that. It's a great character and I love him, but yeah, he can very easily not at all be in the movie.

I just like if he had even it would be so easy to write out like he doesn't know how to defend himself in any way, or like if if he had a skill that could forward the group, which would help the story because it would make them seem like more of a group and not just sort of a group of people who are co dependent on Bruce Willis, then that would have been great and it would have been such an easy fix that would have made the

story better. And it's like, if you just unpassed out Leelu and gave Ruby Road a skill, the movie is better. So why not do that? Oh yeah, well could and Ruby Rod essentially became the damsel during that escape scene, right, I'm gonna give to run. It is iconic, but y god damn it. A couple of things I wanted to mention. Jamie already touched on this, but Corbyn's mom so we never meet her on screen. Corbin's mom is the just no mother in law subreddit made into a person. That's

a joke for the people who got it. There's a sepright on reddit which is just people bitching about their mothers and laws, which becomes very clear that it's just people writing fan fiction where they get to call women bitches. Oh, very cool. Love that's pretty tight. But so Corbyn's mom, we never meet her on screen, but we hear her voice quite a bit because he's she's always calling nagging

leaven messages. Man, women, you go from being a hot baby to being a nagging mom in two seconds, right, And this is how a lot of moms are portrayed

in movies, where it's like I'm gonna let that pass. Uh, this is a restaurant, but this is not a lot of women are A lot of mothers are portrayed in movies where it's like a nagging, overbearing like can't let go of her baby boy, and like often played as like comic relief, like someone to not be taken seriously because he's always like brushing her off and it's just like a commonly known as like bad writing. Yeah, that

is exactly what that. There's no in between. There's very I mean now We're getting to a point where you get competent women, but very often it is like you were either a sexy person I want a sex who also kicks other people sexily, or you are this nagging, horrible Oh why should I have to clean my room? Mom? Why do I have to take my diarrhea medication? Now? I'm all right, man, And that's real. You can look at and you never you never see her, right, we

never formally meet her. She's strictly playing off screen for laughs with Bruce Willis and then later with the President. She's like, I don't believe you're the president. The President sucks cut to Bruce Willis. Fucking end of movie. A great last hilarious. Another female character who's introduced, who is like kind of played as a joke is her name is Major ice Borg, another Titanic reference. Obviously that is

the official they're like, Sir Major ice Borg. But she comes in in the scene where the general is like, hey, Corbin, we need you to like go on this secret mission even though you are retired from the military, but do

this anyway. So she comes in and basically she would not probably be considered attractive by Western ideal like beauty standards, and then they're like, she's gonna play your wife, Corbin in your won this trip and he takes one look at her and he's like, I am not going is if Like she's not beautiful traditionally, so therefore she is disgusting, and uh, it's just like play not worth being around

for three fucking seconds. Yeah, it's so frot like. They're also like, per this movie, you don't see women for canonically three centuries, and then when you get to women finally, it's like, oh, it's only actually naked white ladies that we see and everything else is gross to us. So sorry, and that's just the movie. Yeah, look, I either want the perfect woman who you made out of a hand or nothing at all. Not this incredibly like that woman could have had his back, could have shot some folks up.

We don't know how long she's been in the academy. She had probably been working with She's a major. You know how long it takes to be a fucking major. She had been to be a major for years, and this dude looks at her and goes like, oh, your hips, and it's suddenly like I'm gonna do this mission alone.

I've been retired forever, but I know I'm better than you with That's part of where I feel like this movie ultimately, for even though you see it and aesthetically it doesn't look like a very conservative movie, but ultimately I feel like the story does play very conservative because you're given these characters who on the written page seem like it's on the right track of like we've got our female christ figure and we've got a queer reading

character who is present for much of the movie. But ultimately they are both deeply reliant and the plots deeply reliant on kind of your average white you know, ex military, blue collar straight guy, and that that the Bruce Willis character.

And so I I just it seems like such a coppa for it's a job high con that movie that could be doing so much more to ultimately tease you and pull in viewers with like, Hi, this is something you want to see in movies, like you want to see women, you want to see queer people, you want to see people of color. But ultimately it's the same thing, and the movie won't end unless the norm takes place, and so it's just like it's frustrating because it's for

so much of it. I'm on board, but the way it plays out, you're like, funk, you hit all this stuff. Why didn't you? Like it's pretty and weird and French and unorthodox. But then at the end they're still like penises in janus right right, like it's ending a beam of light. Sure, oh my god, were they the first Never they did a reverse sky beam? Never mind, they didn't do the sky beam going down. They did the

sky beam coming up. They didn't from her mouth because that's where love comes from, you know, the love hole. So frustrating, Yeah, to thinks that were like the diva character is like, she needs your help and she needs your love, and it's like, does she she's a weapon, she's a nuke? Do you have to make out with

this new right? Like I guess they're trying to humanize her in that moment, but it's to fringe this bomb like and he's like, I'll do It's like, man, you know what humanizing her would do more than having other people tell you that is make her a person. Yeah, that's if you wrote her as a person, Because all of those are words on a page, and you can change any of those any second, and you can tell that whole sequence where like the diva's singing opera and

then we cut back to Lee Lu fighting. You can tell that everyone involved in the movie is like, oh my god, feminism, we get it. It's just like guys are like high fiving and patting themselves on their back, like, oh m G seven, we did it, and it's like, no, you're hot. You a woman kicked one time and within minutes at this sequence ending, one will die and you'll have ruce waves punched through her flesh. You did you do it? To be fair, she already had a bullet

hole and he just reaches into it. But Fairy reaches in my bullet hole. Daddy, get the stones, daddy. That's what I always said. That's like, where are the stone sounds? They're in my daddy. He's like in her? What could that possibly mean? Does that mean they're in her? Oh? It does? So I think it bears. It bears telling that during this moment, which is I think one of the only moments where there's cut screens where two women are both doing equal They're both doing the most impossible

thing you've ever seen in the world. And that's the only time they showed to me and then Bruce will hast seen punching a woman, which is not even the only time Bruce Willis has done that on screen, so you know, he just like he's like, oh the Stones, I got the and then everyone's like, whoop, sorry about your deadpop. Yeah, then r I p Diva Bruce changes into and regretfully, I honestly lost a lot of interest once he took off the tank top. I really liked it.

Oh God, well, is there anything anything anyone else wants to talk about? Um? Let's see, uh consent? Did we have Ruby Rod? Um? I think Ruby Road. I apologize. It's fine because I keep doing like he keeps doing like funny weird things with his accent to be like, yeah, I think I heard it that way the first time, and then I was like, okay, sounds good. But then Ruby Rod, You're like, oh, Penis got it. I get it because his dick get it. Because of Dick. Uh

that was everything I had. It's weird because it's like, ultimately, I even on first viewing, enjoyed this movie and it is so like aesthetically fun and it moves so quickly and it's on daily motion dot com. I mean, what Mark could you want in a movie, but there are so many, Like I think it's a as the classic cas of like a nineties movie, trying to have it every which way but ultimately playing to the norm. Yeah, exactly, because you know in the end, wasn't it Ruby Rod

who fucked up opening the Stones? It's coming? He doesn't have fire. Yeah, he's like, I quit smoking, even though the day before we see him smoking a cigarette. Let's be real that Mike, that Mike is half my calf vape new reboot where we blow vape smoke on the stones, coolest stones ever. Man. We touched on us a little bit. But like Corbin spends the whole movie condescending to the woman he's in love with, and we'll end up with at the in the love story makes no fucking it really,

it doesn't need to be there. She even says like love, I don't know love, and he's like, I'm gonna put my face on you again, and it's like, bitch, that's not love. Like you just like remember when I molested you. Let's give it a second shot, and this time it works.

I guess his horrible because she's so tired. Yes, she's just this movie has beaten her down again or a diet because she's had to like bear the like emotional labor of like learning what war is and like being the supreme being is like her Urkle where he's like, I'm wearing you down, I'm wearing you down, But then

he does, and that's how the movie ends. And then where her watching war and be like reminded me of fifty First Days when you're barrymore Hustle learned his two thousand and five every day and she's like, oh, no, I don't know. Is a negress governor? Like that was

kind of what it reminded me of. But yeah, like I feel like the thing he's always like patronizing her and condescending to her based on her she doesn't have a great grasp of the English language yet, even though she's had a day to learn it and is doing a pretty good job with what she's got. What she knows and what she doesn't know is very plot convenient.

She's supposed to know everything, but she doesn't know anything that Bruce Willis can teach her, right, But then like someone they're like trying to check into the Flying Titanic, He's like, yes, they know what a fucking multi passes and like, yeah, it's just like a movie pass And I was like, yeah, he's like really mean to her and then she's like, but let's kiss. So yeah, this movie is weird. That's my last comment. So it was weird. I don't know. If you still like it, that's fine. Yeah.

Should we take some questions or comments from the audience? Does anyone have anything they want to share, A question, a comment they like to share. I guess someone yes, Oh yeah, coming up. I just thought it was funny that this is a movie very similar to Blade Runner and also very similar in the sense that straight white men love to try to explain it to you and, um, help you understand why it's so good, but you don't get it. Man tears in the rain. He improved that

scene we had someone else. Are you gonna come up? What's your name? Um? My name is Ben real quick? Um, So I noticed I just remembered that in Valerian, actually there is another um. Both in this movie end in Valeria, and there's a scene where a woman does a big song number in Valarious Rihanna and then does something to help out the hero and then immediately dies to advance the plot. So my question is, does Luke Bissan hate

female singers? Um? I think it was another thing where Luc Bisson's black wife was like just something for me, just Rihanna or like something. But even in that one, she's like a comfort woman, a woman of the night, and performing in all of those things is is how she attracts people, as though being Rihanna was somehow not

enough in space. It's weird, it's like you if. I also have the feeling that most of Luson's stories were created when he was fourteen years old, and so he writes women as if he is a holy proteenager and that's a bad writing. Oh god, how gross would be if he was just like, oh, what's a younger version of my wife to be in this movie? But I wasn't, but I asked him. When I answer your question, I

think that Luke Bisson doesn't respect women period. And I think he loves a song and dance sequence and he's like, well, I'm not gonna waste a man in this. Put someone in some hot pants, yeah, make a prance for me. Yes, that's a great and unfortunate point. Thank you. Do you have any other questions? Anything. Oh yeah, come on down.

What's your name? My name is Katie. When we were watching this movie, my question was they find this hand which doesn't look like her hand after she's made into a person, do they design her like the creepy scientists design her to look like that or is that like her genetic code? Oh? Actually, this is something I wanted

to touch on. I have to imagine they're just reconstructing whatever like genetic material would like dictate her to end up being like but that what ends up perhaps, so everyone is using like he pronouns before they realize that she is a woman. Uh so it's that woman's perfect.

So this to me is a version of that trope where it's like the person that you thought was a man until they take off their helmet is actually a woman and you don't even get the like the frustrating but also the one redeeming part of that trope, as you get to see that character be capable at something before you find out they're a woman. And this woman does not even isn't even afforded that. It's like a hand god like when she comes out of the Fiudi printer,

like she is perfect. Yeah, and they're like oh cool, So she doesn't have any we don't really care, and it's just and you see her be literally like I I feel as if you see her be literally born in this thing that she later fox Bruce Willis in because we all aspire to fuck Bruce Willis inside of our moms, like fucking in your childhood bed, which is still also your mom. Just I honestly wish I had

I never did, but you know it's it's fucking weird. Yeah, that they it is sort of that thing where they're like, it is it perfect that you can hetero fuck and that's like the Lamo Coppa right, And then even like uh, father Cornelius is like he's a she because everyone was, I guess expecting the perfect sabreme being to be a man, but she's a woman. But that has no impact on the story except for the fact that then Bruce Willis can later have sex with her because he's hetero and

because hetero normativity. Are there any other questions or comments? Gary Olman's canceled, so we can't comment on him at this time. Alfred Molina should have a Billina would have killed it. Alba Billina could have played Bruce Willis is partly been thick Bruce Willis. That would have been great. He I would love well. I don't not to take parts away from women, but what if the hand traled into Alfred Bollina. That would have been kind of fun.

And then when everything else was exactly the same, he's still Casses Bruce Wills at the end, there's still love. I don't know love. What if it Albert will appeared in an incubator and they're like, perfect, I want to see I want Prince Well to be like five D proud eyes, Alfa Molina, Lulu Dallas multi pass and then yeah, I think that actually not to like, you know, uncast the only woman in this movie, but I think Alva Billina would be a great Lulu. Yeah. I would have

it was a gender neutral name exactly. Would have help Billina, would have Bruce Willis kissed Alpha Billina and then alfread Billina did kill Bruce Willis, and he's like, I'm the hero of the movie. Now this is the Alpha Blena movie. This is the Molina element, like Alpha Morlena. Yeah, so anyways, we just uncast the female lead. Hey, does this movie

pass the Bechdel test? No? Not even a little bit. No, there's times where women speak to each other, but it's usually the times I spot it was Lulu talking to a woman in a service role who was not names. Yeah, we don't know her name. Yeah, so yeah, that's a big fat no on passing the Bechdel tests for this movie. Shall we write the movie on our nipple scale? Let's do zero to five nipples based on its portrayal and representation of women. I'm gonna go ahead and give the

fifth element a half nipple. I mean between the like wild objectification and sexualization of a female character who is crucial to the story in the sense that she is the fifth element and she's like the component they need for the weapon against evil. But aside from that, like her characterization, it's the whole born sexy yesterday trope. She is there for gratuitous nudity a lot of the time. She is has the brain of a baby essentially that is very good at learning about war and she hates it.

Do you think someone watched that movie and they're like, Oh, where's bad? Oh my god, I'm going to give up on everything now until Bruce Willis puts one on me. Uh, and then even like the moments where she's like kicking ass just like feel like a very empty thing where well, now Bruce Willis will respect her when he flex her so dumb. Yeah, So I think the movie doesn't really handle anything well when it comes to representing women. So yeah, that's a half nipple from me, and I will give

it of course to Cormoran Dallas's cat. So um, that's that daniell Um. I'm going to give it a full nipple. I'm giving it one full nip, if only because the action scenes were really good and it did help launch Miyadjoovic's career. Because of that, she was able to go on and be an actual good actress in things where she got to kick people in the face, and because it was able to launch that career in other movies,

it'll get a full nip. Cool, I guess I'll go half as well there there, It's just it's all the progressist movie is trying to make us kind of self defeating in a very way, uh that we see over and over again, and as pleasant as I'm sure it was to see some representation at the time of this coming out, seeing it over twenty years later, it feels even more frustrating to feel like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too, of like, here's queer representation,

here's female representation. Just kidding, it's Ruse Wallas the whole time, and it's just it's frustrating. I am glad that it was able to give credibility and a platform to actors who wouldn't have had it otherwise, and that's more than a lot of movies at this time did, and that

definitely deserves acknowledgement. But like plot wise, I would argue, you could write out really every character on Bruce Willis's team except for him, and the movie could feasibly play out the exact same way, because even though we're told over and over that Leelu is the chosen one, Bruce Willis is the chosen one according to this movie, because the thing that needs to happen cannot happen without him

and without his choices every step of the way. So it's weird that this movie is secretly all right, but uh no, I mean it's just like it it hurts to watch because you see a filmmaker who you can tell thinks they're doing the right thing, but they're not. And so it's frustrating, and so I'll give it a half nipple. And I'm going to give my half nipple to Chris Tucker Well. Danielle, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having guest. Danielle Radford, Thank you.

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on their own and do a little something. Maybe we'll do something together. We haven't decided. Do I have three minutes of Titanic based puns? As yes I do. And you know what, by the time you know this show rolls around, I may have written three more minutes. Hard to say, I usually end up body slamming a doll. Anything could happen at this wild Seattle show. Okay, so um, grab tickets for that the ones that are still available on bechtel cast dot com and click on the live

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