Romy and Michele's High School Reunion with Danielle Perez

Michell's High School Reunion, a movie I've never seen. Yeah, But before we get to that, we're just going to plug a few things at the top of the show, if that's all right with ye. Are first and foremost our next live show in l A. Is because we are joining up with the Daily Zeitgeist. So we'll be with Jack and Miles, and it's a themed show where all of us will be talking about the year. There's no shortage of garbage, lots of materials. Why two k

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Fort Wayne. The way you can get tickets is google it. Okay, great, yeah, yeah, but hope to see you there. I hope to see you there. So that's all we got to plug for right now. Enjoy the episode. Yeah, enjoy cast. Hi, what's up? Welcome to the show. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. This is the Bathtubcast. Yeah, well, welcome to the back tell cast. As you know. Well, I guess we'll do our our live survey, so clap it up. If you have heard the show before the

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dumping off point. We use it to initiate a larger conversation about representation and if you're not familiar, UM for you know the people listening at home who were just tuning into the Roman Michelle episode as their first step flips. You have to click on it, you say, you know what they got, and for those of you in the audience,

you might not know. The Bechtel test is a media tests that you generally apply to movies, and it requires that there are two named, female identifying characters who speak to each other and their conversation cannot be about a man. Sounds like an easy metric, doesn't it. Well, guess what, most people fuck it up because men make most of the movies boo and they I do think that. I do think that, of course, the number one reason that movies don't pass the Bactel test is good old fashioned misogyny.

But I think that there is a level below that, just below that, where it's like men who are like I could write a female character, but I don't know how to talk to girls. How would I know how girls talk to each other? Better make them guys? Yeah, which is worse than misogyny. I thinkwards that there's a branch of misogyny. Yeah. Cool, Well that's the show. Thanks for waiting, That was worth it. I'm wearing my Crocs today.

You look great. Listen. I was fishing for a compliment, but I wanted to give some quick background on my Crocs place. Agusto. I went on a very cursed brief vacation with my mom in Florida in our cursed time share where my family has been paying like six dollars a month for nine years on a time share that allows us to go to Florida in the winter once every three years for five days. And we went and my mom and I did not do anything except go to the Crocs outlet, and my mom made deep spiritual

bonds with each and every one of the employees. Thank you. Now, this has just turned into a braw Yeah, emotionally available, my mom is. But we both got matching crocs, and sometimes we talk about like are you wearing the Crocs today? And today she was wearing the Crocs, so wearing the crocs women. Wow, I don't have any such mom story. So I'll text your mom and be like, can I mail you some Crocs to really improve your relationship. That's

already good. Yeah, shout out to our mothers, all of our mothers or you know, all right, we're off to a great start. The show. Everyone loves us. Um, we're doing really well. We had to thaw our cold audience the week. Yeah, shall we bring out our guests? Oh my gosh, you remember her from our hocus Pocus episode. I ever heard of it. She's a hilarious comedian. Please welcome Danielle Perez. Hi, welcome back, come back. Thank you for having me. Of course this is exciting. Yeah, we're

so excited for you to be here. I'm sad that I don't have crocs there. That's when I feel like this is such a leisurely look. It's like velvet, but make it house with the crocs. That's honestly why I felt they need to address it. It's like the disparity between the velvet and the crocs is so vast that the movie we're discussing today is and I keep wanting to say, for some reason, Romeo Michelle's summer vacation. That's not what it's called, correct, called Romeo Michelle's high school reunion,

which is the same number of syllables. Almost there should be a summer vacation. Romeo and Michelle moved a yeah, a franchise. Well, there was a sequel, but we don't need to talk about that. See, these are a movie. It's a movie. It was a movie. It far under my radar. This was I mean the movie came out in ninety seven, so I think this was like two thousand's Katherine Higl Like, this is like before Grays. Okay, it was like a maid for TV movie. Oh that's

why I don't know about it. Okay, weird. I grew up without cable, so I've never seen a single television show in my entire life. I am to TV, Jamie what you are to movies. That is true. Yeah, I know a bad television Okay. So we're talking about romy and Michelle's high school reunion. Yes, clap if you heard of it. Yeah, clap if you've never seen it. Hell yeah, right with people who never heard the same people who have not heard our show before also have not seen

the movies. But we're so sorry. Who turn you hostage? If you're okay? There's always one stray at every live show. I simply love it there. Yeah, Danielle, what is your history with the movie. My history with the movie. I'm obsessed with the movie. I love the movie. I saw it when it first came out in seven in the theaters with my mom and her best friend and her best friend's daughter who was kind of like my du

facto best friend. H. But I was like, yeah, I was like twelve and I saw this movie and I was so in love with it. That's like, that sounds like the perfect circumstances to see this movie. It was great. That's amazing. Yeah, because like I don't, like, I never watched Friends. I don't care about that was the one show I have seen. I've seen Friends, of course, you have, Caitlin. Caitlin would watch Friends on Netflix. Excuse me, I probably would. I did the worst thing with Friends, which is that

I never watched it. But I was like eleven or twelve and it ended, and I taped the last episode. I watched it over and over as if I was very attached to it because I was conditioning myself to be an absolute fraud sure from a very young age. Beautiful, So, Daniel, this is one of your favorite movies. It's absolutely one of my favorite. I love it so much. Beautiful, Yeah, what about you. I saw it a few times in high school, I think, or maybe I was like in

junior high. I don't know. I saw it like shortly after it came out, not quite right away, but somewhere in the early two thousand's, and I remember liking it a lot of the time, but I didn't really revisit it after that, which was a mistake because it's a fun, silly movie that I really enjoy. The dance scene with Alan Cumming at the end of Oh my God, I learned that dance. I mean sister and my mom's best friend's daughter. It was like my de factor best friend.

I made her learn that it's so rude. I keep saying that about her. It's such a thing though, because she's not like at the time but not anymore. And it wasn't like we're ex best friends, but it was like circumstance. We were twelve. Yeah, my de facto best friend and I ended up gaslighting ourselves into being like, no, we're friends, and we're friends to this day. I saw this movie this morning. Wait, you've never seen this movie.

I've never no, no, And it seems like for I mean it on every level, seems like a movie I was I would really love. And one of the few entries in Alan Cummings, you know, like entire body of work that I haven't seen because I am an Alan Cummings stand girl ever seen I've never seen this, and so this movie really delivered to me on a lot of levels. Alan Cumming is like in this movie, he's in it. It's I watched earlier today because I haven't

seen it in years. But I realized, I'm like, oh, I feel like so much of my humor and like my love of like weird art theater people, you know, like Janine Gross, Like it's so nineties. But it was like I was aware of those things. Like it made me feel grown up, and I feel like I learned a lot of stuff just like stuck in my brain that didn't come out till later from this movie. This is an iconic movie. I mean, it's for for all of its faults that will spend the next rest of

the show unpacking it is. It is, like I'll say, right at the top, relief and weirdly progressive to see female protagonists in a movie who are absolutely mediocre, because there's such a merry sue, like if a woman's in a movie and she's the main person in the movie, she must be perfect in every way, she must be unkillable, she must have a specific set of skills, but not ballyam niece and and like she has to be perfect. And so to see like two female like kind of

like idiots be and I don't know. I was like, that's cool. You don't see that. I'm firing. Yeah, we're almost every comedy is led by a mediocre man. Like, I just appreciate mediocre female representation. That's what equality is exactly, yeah, yeah, exactly, It's what did give me a mediocre everything. It's grant a loud. Shall they do the recap? Okay? Cat? Well, first of all, the opening scene, We've got Romie, We've got Michelle. They are in their beds that are side

by side. They are making fun of a movie. So it's like they're us pretty much there Jamie and I. It's pretty I said, Gil and I are usually in the same same bed. Michelle has a cat. There's a cat present. It is it's us. Michelle used to have a back brace. But I know, oh my god, we'll get to the back brace represented. I was, I really, I didn't know she had a back brace in this movie. And I thought that it was only Deany who had ever had a back brace. That horrendous Judy Bloom book

that makes me sick to think about. Um Hi brack bace girl back braces make you cool is the thing. But they're basically recording a Matron episode except minus the recording part of the Yeah, they're saying some pretty regressive things about it's kind of there, but yeah, so they're

basically that's true. She gets really happy when they finally let her shop, shows a lot of empathy, but before that she's like, yeah, those shop girls are horrors too, and it's like, hey, yikes, watch there's a lot of stuff going on. Anyway, So they're they're best friends, romy and Michelle um together for ten years. They Venice Speech, California. Only one of them is part time employed, supporting both

of them very brick huge apartment. I mean, I know this is the nineties of Venus Speech isn't what it is right now, but but the finances of this movie are baffling. Right. So one day, when Romi is at work, she runs into Heather Mooney, that's Jennine Garffalo's character, who is just this week softly canceled. Yeah, she was defending Luisi k pretty vehemently and literally quote leave Louis k alone unquote, which is a wild stance to take at this point in time. But you know, maybe by the

time who knows a soft cancel. At the time this recording, she's made some missteps, but who knows, maybe she'll redeem herself anyway. So probably, I don't know, anything can happen, all your faves wrong, Alfred Malina can be on the podcast anything can happen? Well, the one uncancellable man, Thank god, we will never need to call back to this clip

because he'll never do anything wrong. So she runs into heather Mooney and they went to high school together, and Heathery's all like, oh, you're going to the high school reunion and she's like, what, we didn't get an invitation, which does not get explored any further than that. Well, so much of this movie would not happen if there were any semblance of social media, So we sort of just have to like, if there were Facebook, everyone would know what the people are doing, and there's almost no

need to go to a high school reunion. And I feel like that's probably why a lot of people don't, because they're like, oh, these people are doing better than me. Let me remove myself, right yeah, the high school reunions like built up to be this really huge thing that I don't know if it is anymore. I don't I didn't go to I mean it was like like ROMI having that cell phone was like such a big move and showing up with a with a flip h Yeah. So and then Heather wants to know if Michelle married

Sandy Frank that's Alan. I'm sure I could not get through this movie without saying every lie, annoying my friends with that very habit. Yes, I wanted to just take a survey of the room to see do the teenage age people look older in this movie or what hot American summer? It was neck and neck for thirty five year old people playing sixteen year olds, Alan coming being like, no, I'm sixteen when Alan coming and he's in a terrific actor but you can see the fear in his eyes

as he tries to play a teenager. He is soft forty. But then you've got justin Throw, who I forgot was in this movie looking sunk. Oh my god, be fair, mostly concealed by a hat. So okay. Anyway, so Heather is all like, oh no, did Michelle marry Sandy Frank because she had a whole thing for him, and then sorry, I was very much, very much in love. It was

not a thing. Then we cut to Romie and Michelle going through their high school your book, which triggers this whole like a flashback sequence when they're like, oh, which group were we a part of? Were we a B or C group? And then they're like, wait a minute, we weren't part of any group. And then um, which sounds kind of insult but in their cases, cool, we're owners.

Look at us alone. They're like, there's a picture of like the group, and then they're just like in the background the background, we see Sandy Frank being in love with Michelle. We see is a back brace high school girl. Important detail. We also must mention the p y per the permit is is vital. It's a huge pot point. They're like, how do we age these characters down? What can we do? And then we see romy being in love with this guy named Billy Christensen. He's like the

popular jock kid at school. Um, there's like these mean popular girls and the leader of those is Christie. She's putting magnets on the back braise. They have a special bag for it, which honestly I kind of love. I know this is a very anti bowling time right now, but if you're gonna do it, go hard, be prepared.

I enjoy the use of props that spoke to me of like maybe Christie is in fact the loser if she's doing homework to bully someone good bullying is off the cuff, improvised, Okay, So then they yeah, so they're going through their yearbook. We see them at prom, Billy and Christie play mean trick on Rummie where she's like, dance with me and he's like okay, and then they leave, they leave Rummie behind. We also have to suspend our disbelief for the entire high school sequence that like Lisa

Kudro and MirOS Orvino are not hot. They're like Madonna twins. It's like, yeah, wouldn't they be the dopest girls in school in seven wearing mini dresses and like boss like, and then like Christie is always dressed like it's fucking Easter, and they're like, oh, the hottest girl in school. I was like, this doesn't make sense to me. You know. What I did appreciate is that her color was purple. And not pink, and I was like, look at that,

that's really that. I feel like that was breaking some more progress, you know, for like the head bitch, you know, not to choose pink. But she's also dressed. She and all the popular girls are still dressed like it's Easter in true. But then but then the step mom from the parent trap is there, Meredith Blake, yes, in a power suit, and she's like, actually, Romy and Michelle are hot, and then the easter women are like, no, it's crazy.

Precisely what happens when Meredith showed up. Can we talk about how the last day of high school is prom what it's like we're not going to see anyone ever again. It's the last day, yeah, promise usually like two or three weeks before the last day of school. It was like two or three months. It's in the spring. Wasn't like, wait when did your school end? Promise like April, April or market? Yeah, I feel like it's promised after my graduation. No, wait,

maybe the week before what. I don't know. All I remember so confused. I feel like problem was a good two months before graduation. I don't know. But also I'm thirty four years old. Brag. What I remember about my problem is that I don't remember when it was exactly, but I do know that someone's tampon fell out on the dance floor. Someone get loose, and then and then someone procured you drop it on the dance floor. Okay,

that's how you drop it. Someone was doing some serious work in prom and misplaced their tampon on the dance floor, and then I forget like some dork had it. He said he had a DNA tester at his house, so he didn't figure out whose tampon it was. What he did was steel a used to he sucked that tampon. So that's just something that haunts me. Aggressive. Okay, well that was great. I haven't thought about that in a long time. This sys the have a DNA tester at

their house. What a wide switch? Do you think? He went to school in the eighties and like no one would question him on that Google search DNA tester. Oh my god. That person later invented ancestry dot com. Yeah, he is now the CEO of three and Me And when he goes to his high school reunion, he can be like, I invented DNA testing. I'm a billionaire. Helicopter. Probably choked to death on a tampon nine years ago. I have no idea, no idea, death by misadventure. Alright,

so stole the damp on. Okay, he wasn't gifted it. Yeah, it's a different story if it we gifted to him. All right. So we cut back to the present and Robby Michelle are like, yeah, we're gonna go to this reunion. People will be so impressed with us because we leave these like awesome lives in l A. But then they're like filling out their forms for the reunion and they're like, wait a minute, we are not that impressive. Let's try

to find jobs and boyfriends. And there's a one of the my least favorite, like their eternal weight loss narrative. They're like, in two weeks, we're gonna lose weight, get boyfriends, and get sick jobs, and then we're gonna go to our high school reunion and shake our fists or whatever. Mind you. They are already very thin, and they're like, we need to lose weight. Yeah, it's the it's really

more roamy because Michelle's eating that bag of Doritos. She's like, I hate to say it, but you do think we could lose a few pals, and she takes away a gentage bag of cool ranch Dorito's sweet sponsor there, Oh, shout out Robert Evans to the Doritos behind the Bastards. Okay. So then they're like, yeah, what's the point of go to the reunion if we can't impress everyone? So they like try to like whip themselves into shape career wise and like partner wise and fitness wise, but none of

it works. So many great ye Romy's treadmill out It really spoke to me on a lot of levels. I was like, where do I get it at their boutique, which is probably on Rodeo drive. Let's go. I love remember when everything was like a math question, Like it's like you gotta get like x miles on a robot to get to town, And who wants to go to town with a guy who rides a robot? That was my internal narrative any time a guy was lay in high school, It's like he probably drives a robot. A

good burn. To this day, it still works. So then Romy and Michelle are like, wait a minute, what if we pretend to be successful and then we'll impress everyone? So they make themselves some business suits. They borrow a Jaguar from the dealership the Ramie works at what did I say? The car a car, not an animal? No? I okay, you said jaguar? Weird? Did I? Yeah? What does some people say? Jaguar? Jaguar? Oh? Yeah? Some people say, like, which thing did I say? Jaguar? Jaguar? Jaguar? What is it?

Ja ja? Okay? I just need to say I know the difference between an animal and a car, Like, are they on a horse that's a Mustang? Okay, so jaguar is wrong, then j I don't know what's I mean. I know jaguar is right, but that's not to say jaguar is wrong. They get an expensive car and go to the drive to the reunion, but on the way they're like, oh, what wait, what are our jobs going

to be? And so they decide that they're going to a woman asks and they're like, oh wait, we forgot to be specific because they really made a big deal about being business women. So then they decide that they're going to say that they invented post it's. But this leads them to fight because Romi's like, yeah, I invented post it's but Michelle, you like design them, and Michelle's like, wait a minute, dude, think So then they start fighting about like what they think of each other, and then

they're like, you're not cute, You're not cute. And then they decide that they're not going to be friends anymore and that when they get to the reunion they're gonna part ways and go off and do their own thing. Then something wild that I had to rewind to make sure actually comprise fifteen full minutes of this movie. Really the dream sequence. It's amazing, but you didn't When did you realize something was amiss? I hope this isn't too late.

But when Alan Cumming could fly, that's exactly because I was watching it because I knew that it was a dream sequence, and I was like, but when does it really start to get weird? It was like and the music starts to get kind of funky. It was like who because someone is like over the sunroof and I'm like, how could you be at that? An tooby? And then Alan Cumming can fly and you're like, huh, true, so far into the secret? Yeah, it's really awesome. It's so good.

But here's the thing. True Alan Cumming fans know that he can actually fly, so that didn't register. Is weird? For was it the Christie Ballroom with all the giant posters of Christie. It was it that I didn't even made to be like fruits and veged the carrots and bananas. The Christie Ballroom was like, oh okay, now some now my the cars waiting for them inside and doors. Michelle Be voted most changed for the Batter since high school and she hasn't stepped foot inside the reunion all night

and it's only wearing a bra. No, sir, I mean I feel like that has changed for the better. This speech where she's like I can't buy my top and I was like, where, it's great anyway. So there is like a fifteen minute dream sequence without the dream sence. I don't think this movie is future length. No, they say right there, ninety one minutes minute movie of the Scholar. That's the thing with this movie, though. They loved that about the nineties. I loved an eighties seven minute movie,

love it. Yeah. The thing about this movie though, is that there's about ten minutes of plot and the rest is like dance sequences that have no bearing on the story, Like, there's almost nothing that happens in this movie, and yet it is terrific. Um there's so much internal friendship. Sure, but like plot wise, I mean, not a ton happen, but on a bad thing. I'm just saying like, they try and they fail, and then realized friendship is the most important thing. And then the helicopter, Oh baby, do

you know what that's with? Heaven? It's a place on the soundtrack is incredible track. Okay, so then the dream sequence happens. Everything's weird, but they get a lot of it right, Like they know that Sandy Frank is rich somehow. So then for real, Michelle and romy go into the reunion and they're like, hey, we invented post it and everyone's like, no, you didn't. And then their secret is exposed because Heather comes and it's like no, some other guy.

And then they feel dumb because everyone laughed at them. But then they're like, wait a minute, friendship is important. There were stupid that we're fighting. And then they put their great outfits back. They're like, let's go out there and be ourselves. And then Sandy Frank shows up in his helicopter and he's like the only thing I don't have in my life is you, Michelle. And then and then the dance and we're literally just like, yeah, sure. Very few actors could get a yeah sure from me

for that kind of bizarro scary plot twist. But'm like, well, it is coming out of Alan Cumming's mouth, so I guess we're rolling with it. And then we cut back to them in l A. They have opened up a fashion like a clothing boutique. Presumably do they stayed explicitly that Sandy like venture funded there, Yeah, they're She's like, she's like, I feel like we can pay him back this week, and she's like I think we're like two years. So yeah, he don't care. He's unhinged, and that is

the end of the movie. Maybe you forgotten. In the dream sequence, they each win the medal for like most change for the better, But then they each go off with their like respective love interests, right, and then we flash forward to seventy years later. Seventy years so they are ninety eight years old, and then they still hate each other. Michelle on her deathbed giving romy the finger a beautiful moment in cinema. It's really like so great because once you find out you're in a dream sequence.

They're like, Okay, now we're just gonna turn it up to wratch it up. One of the weirder things about the dream sequence is in the dream sequence Christie has a career, but in the real world she doesn't, which was one of the only things that I was like, Oh, was a strange time. We're only in dreams a woman a career, but the one who no longer hangs out with the A group salut. She is like an associate editor for Vogue, businesswoman, elegant cream suit. It's good to

see Meredith be able to play a hero. True, I know, just for saying all in all, they're not bad. Just a year later, she is in that scene in The Parent Trap where they're out in the woods with Dennis Quaid and a lizard crawls into her mouth. What a wild couple of years. This is a Lindsay Lohan one. Yeah, she plays wife. Huh, who's like? I learned what eon was from her? So where should we jump in with our discussion? Oh gosh, where to begin? What if we

were just like female friendship? Yes, queen and then left? That's it. That's all I mean. I do love that like female friends, Like this movie just celebrates female friendship. Like that's it, Like you're saying, like there isn't really a lot of plot, and you just get to see two women who are adults like genuinely care about each other. And I think that's honestly, like very refreshing, Like you just don't really get to see that in movies or TV.

And it's like they have this atypical lifestyle where they I mean, it's like implied like by their like Lucy Ricky set up in their bedroom that it's like they're like in it, like they need permission to funk from the other person U and like they're I don't know, like they're they have like their lives are built around their friendship. And then prior to this reunion coming up, they don't seem to be unhappy with that, Like they're

they have fun going out together. Even when they go out to like it's like they're sort of like, we're here to meet guys, but they still seem to want to hang out with each other anyways. Yeah, like the two cokes with extra cherries and it's like the bartender knows that's their order. It's like okay, wait, their party girls, but they're like not, they're sober, they're not getting wasted, they're not doing anything. They just love hanging out. Like that part of it I just thought was like awesome,

and then it's like the problem comes from there. Whatever the world they from, isn't that wouldn't think that's a cool way to live. And to be fair, they should have like, like Michelle should have tried to get a job at some point. But in this world you could get a five room apartment in Venice for you know, like a part time Jaguar cashier salary. What I don't know. I'm like, I'm like, Michelle has rich parents we don't know about is the only thing I can think of

playing this lifestyle. I mean, maybe Michelle was on unemployment. Maybe maybe, but she goes out for jobs and she's like very picky and and unemployable because she keeps like messing up during this She was good versa. She was she was like, you look like ship in that sure, And I was lying when I said he was really good at telling people they look good at like but that is so I feel like it's just I love

watching Lisa coudro Be. Lisa Coudro likes so good and this is like mid Friends where you can just tell at Lisa Kudra is dying to not be on Friends for two seconds, and she's so good. I also forgot how much I love Mira Sorvina. She's so good in this movie. I haven't seen Mirrors, so I've only seen Mirrors Orvina in like one other movie that like, did you guys ever see Wise Girls with Mariah Carey. No,

it's ridiculous. We'd love to do Glitter that we have to come back when you can come back, We'll come back for Glitter. I'm obsessed with glitter. Glitter. Mariah Carey thinks none eleven is the reason Glitter did not succeed. Oh, Maria, not eleven is personally very difficult for her. Oh my god, what an icon escape? Good for Mariah carry So yeah, I mean, this movie is largely about female friendship. That

is the crux of the movie. But then there's also parts where it's like, okay, well, a big part of these two many characters is that they feel their lives are inadequate because they don't have boyfriends. And then by the end, at least for Michelle like she she ends up with a guy I think we can presume I don't know, I mean he's in love with her and gives them a bunch of money to open up this shop.

So either way, it's I'm kind of all for letting someone think that you're in love with them and taking their mind. I'm down with that. I think that's a feminist message that it feels like reparations to some degree. But maybe maybe, but I think the not thinking their lives are good enough, Like that's for sure coming from Romi, because Michelle seems very like, Okay, I'll go along with

like your plan, Like sure, why not? Like Michelle is like fine either way, Like she's still like even after like their plan to make their lives better or whatever goes put, She's like I still really want to go Yeah. Well, because Michelle she's the one that like kicks Romy's ask kind of like, hey, our lives are great, and I always thought they were great, Like we didn't have to do all of this. Yes, I like Michelle is like the loyalist, loyal friend possible, and we can get into

like the message that extends beyond that. But Michelle throughout the whole movie whenever Romy is having an issue of like feeling inadequate, like Michelle goes above and beyond to alter her behavior to make Romy happy or be inclusive in moments that like, I don't know, I feel like if instead of when, when Sandy's like, oh, Michelle, I just want to dance with you, like Michelle's like include yeah, which to Sandy is a wild challenge. But he's Allen comming,

so he knows what to do. He just goes. He's like, I have the choreography ready, thankfully, this choreography is for three. But like Michelle often like comical ways will include Romy to keep her friend happy and feeling secure in a way that Romy like. Not that Romy loves Michelle any less, but it seems like Michelle is the friend and the relationship who goes above and beyond definitely, which I love about her. And I'm also like, man, you don't have

to do it every time. You could dance with Sandy. But I don't even know if she wants to. That's the thing is I think she. I'm just like I hope that after the helicopter took off, Alan commings like so you're in love with me, right, she's like, no, no, but thanks for the helicopter ride a million dollars. Do we see them kiss? And then she's like happy that he didn't bring as big a notebook, so they probably bang. She feels his erection. I guess she's applying, she feels

Alan Cumming's big old bonar. So I don't know. For me, it didn't seem like a sure thing that they ended up together, because it doesn't seem that like that kind of movie, right, because the end is he's referenced in terms of like him investing in their business, but we don't see him on screen again, so the emphasis is still on their friendship between Roman and Michelle. Yeah, so they're gonna be terrible business owners like that at the end. Yeah, they're going to sink are so good it was it

almost looks like dash or something. It looks like that sort of venture is perfect. Yeah. Um. I would say the other kind of bigger issue that I have with this otherwise perfect movie is that several of the plot points revolve around many different pairs or groups of women not getting along with each other. So it's yet another movie, I would argue, at least where we see women just in conflict for reasons that aren't clear, just because it's like, oh, well,

you know, they like Brady high school bullies. So I think at the time this movie came out, if we were to put it in context of the time it came out, and I do agree with what you're saying, this seems to be like the given for like, well, in movies, this is what high schools are, Like there's nice girls and there are mean girls, and that what I was almost bummed out and sort of started talking

about it before. But like between the dream sequence and the real sequence were in high school, Christie was this mean girl, and like that is an exaggerated version of dynamics that sometimes exists in real high schools, and yes, media should be challenging those and you know, giving young people different ideas of how high school dynamics can work. But it is a reflection of something that does happen

in high schools, heightened to a major extent. But during the dream sequence, I forget which of them goes up to Christie, and Christie's like, oh yeah, I'm the most successful weather girl in Tucson, which felt more like the reality of Christie felt to me like less realistic and more reductive in terms of the story than than the dream version of Christie, because in the real version of Christie, she is like the popular girl who was always like,

I'm going to be famous, I'm gonna do all this stuff, and then she ends up marrying her high school swee sweetheart and having three kids by not that there's anything wrong with that, but the movie tells you there's something wrong with The movie has a really weird view about motherhood where it's suggested it's actually quite nasty. Yeah, it kind of suggest sorry, at least roomy. Michelle didn't get fat, you know, but according to the movie, uh, romy used

to be chubby. And I was like, huh, and if I'll keep calling her that and it's like, what are you talking about? The high school dynamics in this movie are dated as fuck, really really in it, and don't

do that much to challenge those dynamics. I'd say the most the furthest it went to challenge because in high school everyone's focus is to like find a heterosexual partner and do well, and then ten years later, everyone's goal is to have a heterosexual partner and do well in their career, and so like nothing is really challenged there, except by Romy and Michelle, who are like, we're losers. We're getting in a helicopter, and that's well, I mean

I get that. Yeah, there's like the mean girls and a lot of these this kind of reductive high school tropes. But I did appreciate they you know what happens with um when they're like talking to like Heather Mooney about like who they each thought they were in high school, and it's like, oh, everyone made someone's life a living hell, where like in hindsight you can like you experience it and you feel it this way and so that's your truth.

But then in actual quality, it's like, oh no, it seemed like you guys are having fun and you had it made and I wish I was like as cool as you and doing all the stuff that you guys were doing. And I think that's like a very real true thing. And then she's the Heather Mooney character is very pleased when she finds out that she has made

the Toby Walter's character's life of living. How the Cameron about her Time's character right, She's like, oh, hell yeah, if I was a horrible wretch to you, and that's great. Um just to go back to the how the movie views like motherhood really quickly, it's this like weird idea. It suggests that like women who choose to be mothers have given up and or that they also can't have careers.

Like it's this weird. I feel like it feels like left over from second wave feminism kind of thing where it's like the focuses on women having careers, which is amazing, but it's almost like women can have careers and if you choose not to have a career, Like it's not a very inclusive view. It's progressive and yet also in his main to mothers that the world requires. Because then, like Christine even says, the line is something like she's saying this about the Lisa Luter character, who's like the

Vogue editor. She says something like such a great out of it. Um. She says, like unlike a certain ball busting, dried up career woman. We know we're all happily married. And then like Lisa's like, yeah, keep to keep. So it's right, it's like this, we yeah, that was not handled especially well. It's very nice. Those are the only three mothers we see like the same amount of friend they're all the same amount of pregnant. They're all the same amount of bitchy and rude. In me, that's it.

That's They're all dressed like it's a star. It's crazy. Yeah. And then at the end, I didn't like the last beat for the Christie character, where like her dress blows up and you see her pregnant stomach and everyone's like from their helicopter her, this is a bit much she because well, where the Christie character ends, and like the popular girl characters are dealt with very weird and not like,

not super thoughtfully. I feel like it's almost just like a cookie cutter idea of who a popular girl is, which I thought was challenged in the dream sequence, but then they were like, no, actually we didn't want to think about it. And at the end, in like the last ten minutes of the movie, you get a very tragic u setup for what's going on in Christie's life in her marriage, where I'm like, I don't think she like she put yeah, she put magnets on your back.

I wouldn't. People did that to me too, and I wouldn't wish this on them. Like where her husband, popular Bobby comes up and it's implied that like he's not as like conventionally hot as he used to be. And he comes up to Roman and he's like, my wife lied about my job. He got married to Christie. He's like, no, I don't. I don't dry wall, old man do drywall for her. That's just like what does that mean? And but then he's like, yeah, and I cheat on her

all the time, you know. He basically is like Christie's life is a sham and I don't care about her and I want to cheat on her now, and then we still are supposed to laugh at her at the end. I felt so badly for it supposed to be this like cathartic moment for Romie where she's like, oh, I get to do to Billy what he did to me by like leaving to Yeah. I guess the thing is it's like he never seen like he was never like

any sort of real, fleshed out character. He was supposed to be the subjective hot guy in high school, and I was like, he just looks whack, Like he's not even that hot. He's not like Alan coming in high school would bang, you know god, And he's attentive, right, yes, Alan coming in the dream sequence where he classics. He looks like Christopher wa was your presence. He looks but like Michelle is like, oh you picked a great face. You're so dreamy. But he is truly frightening. Okay, he

looks badly rendered. It's so wonderful, but yeah, or express character. But like, what is the deal with Bobby being like the hottest guy in school. He's not that hot, He's super dumb. It's like, why did she even like him? I mean, we all made horrible mistakes, but the fact that Romy is still so hung up on him that feels like a weird choice for that. Yeah, it just like doesn't seem like the best. It's like they're like, well, how much can we make go full circle in this movie?

You know where? I think if this movie came out now, I think what the writers might do is instead of them laughing and pointing at Christie at the end, Romy would tell Christie and then and Christie would be like, I'm going to start a new and go to night school. And then she would also get on the helicopter and then all the with the Regina Hall would be there. It would be incredible. So you felt a little to me like the end of Jurassic Park when they all

get on the helicopter away from the dinosaur island. Anyone else? No, is that how that movie ends? I forget? And then and then Sam Neil is like, look, pelicans, they're just like dinosaurs, or that's what dinosaurs evolved into or I don't know. Did you create a cinematic moment? Did you know Sam Elliott got a star in the Walk of Fame this week? Nope, he's in a star is born. He's the old Yeah, his only and they gave him a star anyway for him he was snubbed anyway, star star.

Another thing that I found to be not so great about this movie is one of the things that like temporarily breaks up their friendship is them being like, you're not cute. No, you're not cute. They're like arguing over how each other looks, how Marian who's the road up? That's real, that's real. That's a real thing. We were arguing today about who's the Roman, who's the Michelle. Yeah, let's just let's just ask. I've got a crowd. Okay, clap if you think that me Caitlin is romy and

that Jamie is Michelle. Clap if that's what you think. Okay, oh this might be tight clap if you think the opposite, that I am Michelle and that Jamie is romih it have it. Well, there you go. I do identify as a Romie, So I identified as a Michelle. I'm pleased with pleased with our fans know us. So oh man, I do feel a lot of relief after all, right to the one person who was wrong. Now I'm kidding

I show anyway. So yeah, that's that's a weird moment that I don't think if this movie was like came out today, I don't think they would be like, you're ugly, No, you're the ugly one. Like think it would be very They don't say you're not cute, it's just who's cute? Yeah, And I think it would be like or it would be more thoughtfully addressed, because I mean, I think that

I had a note about that too. But it's like the I don't know if we're operating on the idea that it's like the high school reunion and the ideas within the reunion that gets between them. That argument makes sense, but the fact that it only goes and I think if it was written now it would be about their looks, their career. It would be about the three things they were worried about, and not just like who's hot, who's

not like that sort of thing. Like it would probably be a more thoughtful discussion of like I mean, they barely they only mentioned that Lisa Kudrow has never worked a day in her life once. Well, they do. She used to have a job. She used to have a job. She was a sales probably carries her, that's right, So then that explains a lot of romy's like, Hey, like I don't know, I'm the one that invented post. It's

okay because I pay the rent, which is fair. But then Michelle is the one that always gets us to day elce first again, very true of our relations You pay my rent, yes, and no one asks me to day.

Thank you so much. Um. Yeah, I think that that's like something that does happen can happen in like real friendships where it's like you kind of you get into these roles, you know what I mean, someone's always maybe the leader more and someone goes along with the ideas, and yeah, I feel I feel like they're the relationship dynamic is I mean, I found it to be very relatable.

But the fact that, like one of the main things that they argue about, to the extent that in their dream sequence when they're seventy years older and still hate each other, they're the thing that they're still beefing over is no, I'm the Mary. So I feel like I get it if like that is like maybe a sentiment that people have in a in a friendship that they're

like maybe self conscious or you know whatever. But um, yeah, the fact that that's, like, I would say, probably the main thing that the argument is focused on, where they do bring up like yeah, I carry you, like did it da this and that, different things about their kind

of professional lives and stuff like that. But the fact that that is the main thing, it's very and I think that that is like you you can boil down most critiques of this movie to like, yikes, thrilled it's no longer seven, for example, but I'm not grateful it's

two thousand nineteen either, So what do we do. One of a few of the other you know, nineties seven based issues that this movie has, there's that there's that queer phobic joke made by Lisa Kudrow at the tippity top of the movie, like it's essentially a no homo joke. When they're dancing at the club. When they're dancing, right, Romy says something like, I swear to God sometimes I wish I was a lesbian, and Michelle says, well, do you want to try to have sex sometime just to

see if we are? Rami says, yeah, right, Michelle, just the thought of having sex with another woman creeps me out. But then then there's a beat and then she says, but if we're not married by the time we're thirty, asked me again, this is which all over? I mean, that's like essentially like the plot of like my best friend's wedding, right, Like, is it if we're not married by the time we're thirty? That's Mary each other. That's a movie that's my best friend. You guys haven't done

my best friends. I am shocked. It's crazy that I haven't seen that movie and yet I've seen I now pronounce your chucking Larry. That's let's never do that. Let's find right now. I never see that movie. I would love to see if Paul Blart mall Cop passed the back del cast, we do can we do Blart March on the Patreon Sure, okay, both both Blarts O Paton. There's two right, it's or something. I don't even want to know how much money that movie fucking made. O

Blart March you look out. I would also say that there's some like the way the movie handles race is also a very again there is I would I think there's black Warren plays, Yeah, all the guys. Yeah, I would do that. I would just yell that at my sister, Just yell at ROMI. You were looking at what is rough dumb troll? Right? So there like the only the only person of color in the movie that has lines is this like creepo like predatory guy who's constantly harassing

Romie at work. There's a fuel. There's there's a few people of color who have lines, but they're all they all work as mechanics at the job we do. We see them talk even well, they're really just they're going like oh that's my boy. Oh yeah, They're like, oh he's really doing it. They're like listening to like, okay, it's a futured extra. Their men are their men here,

their money here. You knew your coworker was banging someone at work, would you excitedly creep up to the doortal with they all, but have a tin can right there? That scene is like weird, but it's it's like there's an easy a vibe to that whole scene, which was fun, but then it's also like, okay, it's another example of what's not smoking work but near oil when yeah, you

work in the mechanic, like have a lit cigar. That scene is interesting because it's like she dresses up all you know, sexy, and she's like, I need a jaguire is how I would say it. And um, so she's like kind of intending to flirt to like get her way into it, and then he's like, well, what's in it for me? And then she's like, I'm not going to have sex with you, so like to some degree, she's like using like a slight bit of her sexuality

which manage of his crush on her before that. That's the thing is like, it's the same thing as taking Alan Cummings venture money, Like it depends on your personal code of what what you want to do that I wouldn't take Alan Cummings money. Just like that also means it's like they need a man the help of a man to get what they want. But then also it's like, well, but it's set up in a very specific way. I don't know. I mean I do, I do see what

you're saying. And then also the fact that like the only non white people we see like work at the Jaguar dealership. Or there's like one very brief part of the high school reunion where Lisa Kudros talking at a group of people of here and they're the joke is

that they are not allowed to respond. It is like the Asian kids that went to school that don't have names, don't have any backstory, and she just talks at them, so they either is the joke that they don't stand what she's saying, is that that just what it's supposed to be. That doesn't make that doesn't make any sense because they went to high school in Tucson. That joke

was weird and insensitive there. And I mean I I was reading back most of this stuff I saw in my research of like criticism done of this movie, which inn was largely uncritical. What a fun romp, and they're not wrong. It has like a seventy six round tomatoes though, which is hating on it. Yeah, probably rodri Ebert, that motherfucker. I read the movies. Roderi Ebert, Rogerie Aubert had some deep seated issues, but anyway, value of the dolls too.

He didn't understand He didn't understand anything that wasn't men. But anyways, a lot of what I read was written less than two years ago for the twentieth anniversary of this movie, and reading some of the more modern criticism of it is interesting. And there was one piece specifically I read that was published in Bitch magazine. Never heard of it in two thousand seventeen. That was a point that I hadn't really thought of during my viewing of it.

But the the whole thesis of it was that this movie is built around the idea that like, white women are allowed to be mediocre, and that is like a goofy, funny joke, but if you swap anyone else out, it becomes a joke that mainstream America probably couldn't have accepted, which I thought was interesting. Well, Lincoln, I really killed the room on that. I'm just pondering the mean, isn't

I mean the Harold and Kumar movies. I have only seen one but like the one that you go to white Castle, but it is that it's a stone Stoner so it's a little different. But it's like they're just regular. Do they have impressive jobs? I feel like I don't remember what if they were fortunate, but also like what is an impressive job? You know, like let's redefine what that means. I know, I do think it's really refreshing that they are so unremarkable, you know what I mean.

I think that thoughts. I don't know, as someone who's like a girly girl who has local fries is like a lot all that ship. I really do love that they are fully just dizzy girls that get by some figure out how to survive. It's funny, it's refreshing. I don't know. I think I hate that like women have to be like exceptional to just be thought of as competent. You know. That infuriates me. So it is I think nice to just see but that's what the real you

not that they're real people. But it's like, not everyone's going to be like a straight a student and go to grad school screenwriting from Boston University. Sorry, some women are just like okay, that's right, and they both accept each other and love each other, but just I think the greater and more important thing is that there's genuine like friendship and support there and for sure expectations of

the world that bring in the conflict. I would say though, and this isn't really a criticism, but it was just something I noticed that is that they are both like very stereotypically like hyper feminine in their you know, appearance, and their behavior and their interests and stuff like that. Like we don't know that much about them aside from they love fashion. They love you know, wearing unique outfits and fun, frisky subcolor. It's so weird that they're just

I don't I don't know where everyone keeps. This movie gaslights you in a number of ways, whether you're like Lisa Kujo and Mirosorpono are, and that their outfits, well, that they think that about them, that they in high school, everyone's like they're like and they everyone they're confusing. That is bizarre. Yeah, And that their clothes are stupid when

we all know that their clothes are. But then like they think about themselves that they need to lose weight, and one of the things are fixated on is like weight loss and stuff like that, which is like again for a very stereotypical I feel like the kickboxing. So again, like this isn't a criticism, but they're just like very hyper hyper feminine. Who wrote the movie? How did this even happen? It is written by Robin Schiff, based on a play that she also wrote, directed by a man

David Merkin Is. I'm sorry, icon, I don't need to know anything else about him. His last name is market. Just make sure I didn't miss this. I'm gonna go on IMDb. David Mark, Right, okay, direct, Okay, So yeah, I mean, do we have any other final thoughts about the film? I don't know. I mean I can't think of Cameron Man. Yeah, set that was really I love that she was like, please don't tell me to go fuck myself. It really hurts my feeling. I mean that's

so real and vulnerable. I know, like she's like, clearly I've been to a lot of therapy, worked on herself, worked it out, She's done the work. She's sending boundaries creating an expectation. I like it, like I I mean, I would assume this movie paved the way for a lot of other like because this movie is like very well loved. It was loved when it was when it came out, which never happens, especially like a female lead

major comedy movie like that. It broke a lot of barriers in many ways for all of its fault and just a mediocre female friendship you don't see anywhere, even in an era where I feel like now we're getting more female representation than in past years, but there is still like that symptom of the Mary Sue of like the women who are allowed to be the leads and movies are superheroes or they're perfect, you still can't be like a fucking idiot like I just true progress is

female idiot representation and this is it, and it's it's great and pure and like very I don't know, I really like this movie. I will say that it is yet another movie with a female leader, in this case to female leads that ends in like a formal social event. Usually it's a wedding, a prom, a ball. This, I

would say, so it ends in their store. But a big component of this movie, I would argue is the reunion expand well, let me it's different from those like the typical examples of it being like a wedding or a problem, which is what it usually is, but it's still I feel like female centered stories feel like they always have to end in some sort of like big formal social event because that's what women like to do.

The only thing I would say there is that reunion is less of a gendered semal events where everyone's whipping there dick out real or figurative, putting it on the table at their reunion saying this is what I've done. Yeah, I think if it ended, if it truly ended at the reunion and they go in the helicopter and that's it, Like I would be down with that. But it's like, but they have their store to become the successful business woman that they set out to be to be. Yeah. True,

I mean for a pair of mediocre dumb dumps. They sure their girl bosses now the girl bosses. Girl bosses. They had a trouble term giant baby that curses and says it a lot. Barolo said that character. That character too. Yeah, the fact that they like help each other out instead of like continuing. They're sort of like an she has friends now she raw dogs, Janine raw dogs the boys. So that's always good news, you know, that's raw dogging

in the field. Yeah, usually good news. Usually how optimistic argue? Usually, I guess there's no way to say without revealing too much on my personal history. Should we take any questions or comments from the crowd? Oh yeah, yeah, I'm time. What do we miss? Yes, I am what's your name? Differently, let's fight. Um. So, as soon as we saw a feminist icon cat eating junk food on the couch, we got very excited for a potential cat Facts with Caitlin. So I was hoping ed Coard request that citer. It's

a Michelle. She's flipping through the magazine. She's like, I don't understand how models work or magazine. And then in the background it's eating cake. The cat it's like a piece of They're fine with it because what yeah, it's note are eating our jellybeans and nothing else. It seems there's a lot of great product placement. There's a whole shot where you're just like, we've just made dollars, but you're right, there is a cat in the background. Um,

that is eating cake. And just in case anyone was curious, cats do have eight nipples. It's a cat Facts with Caitland. Although I recently learned that that is not necessarily true. Sometimes cats Wow, sometimes cats have a cat alternative facts. It's this is please represent cats. Sometimes cats have as few as for nipples or as many as ten. Apparently, so I've been wrong the whole time. Got an average

of eight. I believe, shaken to my marrow. I know any other question comments, Let's discuss whether or not the movie passes the Bechdel test. Yes, it does in the very first scene, in the very first lines that are spoken, like Rommy and Michelley are talking about pretty Woman and how the sales women in that movie are whores. So it's maybe not the most progressive passing that we've seen. But I also think that there's a sub pass in

that scene where the scene and pretty Woman is also passing. Yeah, perhaps as a new do we do the sales woman have actual names? That's what I was going to ask. I don't know. I've nervous, very Sue. Wait, what when the man is like when she goes to the shop where they do help her, He's like, very path very Sue, help this woman, hid her, this woman? But do they speak?

I would imagine I think they do because they're having some sort of conflict in the story's like go get me this shirt and then that's and she's like, okay, that's that would be a pass. I'm gonna I'm gonna first double pass, and then several of the passes are also Janine Gruffalo telling Toby to funk off. Um, but a lot of fun dynamic, a lot of those scenes do pass, a lot of the conversations do pass. And uh yeah, it's a hard yess. Yeah. Absolutely. Let's write

the movie on our nipple scale. Alright, nipple scale nip Okay, well it has the nipple scale change now that we have this new cat fact. Oh my god. Yeah, anywhere between four and ten nipples, or we can stick with the old one, which is to rate to the movie zero to five nipples based on its portrayal and representation of women. Um, I'm gonna go with three, I think for this um because is while it is it's you know, it's a celebration of female friendship. Always loves stories like that.

There is still a lot of like antagonism among different women in the story. And you know, the way that the movie handles queerness and race is not well. And also there's that weird incest joke where she's like, yeah, you lost your virginity to your cousin. I wouldn't brag about that. Yeah. So it's like again like the very Liken based attempts at humor that are generally regressive, but the female friendship aspect of it and the fact that they even though they're like feuding for a little while,

feud a show that at the Golden Clothes bluster. So the feuding for part of the movie, but there you know, their friendship is pure and beautiful. Um and I love it. So three nipples and I will give of them all to the unnamed orange cat who eats cake. I'll go through on this one as well. I agree with with what you're saying where there is definitely some dated dynamics between some of the female groups that I think could have it wouldn't have been that hard to resolve or

at least subvert a little bit. I feel like there's not really much subversion done with the high school dynamics, where it's one thing to present like popular girls not popular girls, and then the way they interact with each other ten years later could be telling or or reflect something about how people grow over time. But this movie doesn't really go for that, and in fact ends on a joke making fun of a pregnant woman. So that's not great, you know, it's it's I mean, yeah, it's

a very white movie. It's some and sometimes I couldn't tell Miras Orvina and Lisa Gudreau apart that was I'm sorry, but but it is confusing and but mediocre. Female representation needs to take hold in culture. That's the marker of true progress when non exceptional women can be in charge of a movie and capture the hearts of millions without being punched down at all the time or made a

mockery of. I think that's great. Also, back brace girls, and that's you know, I if you've read Danny by Judy Bloom, you'll know that seeing a back brace girl that's not Danny is critical and Alan Cumming is awesome. So I include that in my representation of women's score three nippies and I'll give one to Romy, one to Michelle, and one to Alan. Five because I'm a stand Yeah, it's problematic. Everything is problematic. It's funny, it's a beautiful movie.

She's she does the which guy? Will I have sex? With at the real end in a movie. It's amazing someone wrote it down and then they spent money shooting it, lighting it, sounding it. I just I love that it's so girly and that they get to be so girl and unapologetically so like very Also, was anyone getting thumb and Louise vibes when they're like driving through the desert in a convertible they're scarves on their heads? What a

homage I love? I was thinking recently, I was like, what if we tried we were on YouTube and we tried to do the thulm It and Louise challenge? Or did you just drive off a cliff with your friend? But no, it's I'm gonna make it happen that the Thelma and Louise child. It's a good idea I tell to anyone you hate I So hope that catch us on all right. Well, Danielle, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having up for Danielle Perez. Where can people follow you online? What would you like

to plug? Follow me online at Diva Deluxe, Knowing at the End, on Twitter and Instagram, and check out my show dates at the Danielle Perez dot com hooray. Thanks to all of you for being here, Thanks to the Ruby for having us, and get home safe, have a great night. Thanks for coming by. Hey real quick. Yeah, it's something we didn't mention during the live show, but I think it is worth mentioning. Definitely is the mirror. Serrino, who plays romy in the movie basically got blacklisted in

Hollywood by Harvey Weinstein for a while. Our king j k him straight to hell. Some of the reading that I had done said that he sexually harassed her and then told Peter Jackson to not consider her for a role in Lord of the Rings. Awful, terrible, but I would you know, I hate Lord of the Rings, so for me, that works out. But she did not deserve

any of what she got. Um. Also, she had worked with Woody Allen in a movie that earned her an oscar shortly before shortly before Romey and Michelle, and then she later apologized to Dylan Farrow for having previously praised his work and for kind of ignoring Dylan Farrow and the things that she had been saying about Woody Allen. Mirror Servina tends to be on the history yes, in every way, So tip our hat to her and uh yeah, that just is worth the mention. Yeah, for sure, and

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