The Dog Cast. The questions asked, movies have when and in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in best start changing it with the cast. Hello, welcome to the back dol cast. Jamie, you got me a marmalade pillow. You made it, I made you marmalade pillow. And I got I got a second. I got a little companion over here. Please, this bitch got crafty. I did it. I did it. Yeah.
I'm also caused playing as Patton for the listeners at home, but I am going to tell you was like, I'm truly a brilliant move for our audio podcast. It looks incredible. I'm I mean, it's Caitlin's birthday. Give it up for David, give it up for her birthday. It's her Jordan ear, it's her christ hear. She's living in a class of nine. Right, Really incredible stuff. Thank you so much, thanks for coming to the bachel Cast. Thank you. We're so excited for tonight.
It's paddingtons big night for U. So so quick survey clap if if you've listened to the back to cast before amazing and then clap don't be shy if you are the person that has been dragged here by someone else. Yeah, okay, we gotta hesitated. Yeah, there, there's it's always a trickle. It's always someone who's like, I'm a coward, Like, uh cool, well, thank you for being here. We're psyched that you're here
out of curiosity. Is there anyone who has not seen The Paddington's don't raise your hand, you clap, it's an audio medium. Oh wow, not on the show movie? What's going on here? Well? I had only i'd only seen the movie watch it on Christmas. Yeah, so you know, we're all on our own paddingtons're ernie. That's true, that's true. I don't want to shame anyone but Ron Plaz who has seen the Paddington's. Ah, you've only seen one. Yeah, just just hit yourself. That seems like a reasonable compromise.
So the Bechtel Cast for the two people who are here and everyone at home, We are a podcast that looks at popular movies from a feminist perspective, using the Bechtel test as a jumping off point. That's right, and the Becktel test, if you're not familiar, requires that two female identifying characters have names there in the movie together, they have to talk to each other, and they can't talk about men or Paddington's unfortunately, although I think any
conversation about Paddington's still passes the Bechtel test. I disagree, it's my birthday, but fine, disagree. Uh can we demo the Bechdel test? I do have a beck to test relevant questions? Okay, Hi Caitlin, Hi Jamie. Do you think Nicole Kidman's wig is is more egregious in Paddington one or Big Little Eyes Season one? I have not seen Big Little Eyes. If you've seen the poster, you've seen
the whig. Okay, I'm gonna go with Big Little Eyes then, because everything about Paddington is perfect, Okay, fair, fair, At least in Paddington. I'm like, it's supposed to look like it's a wig, whereas a big little lies it's very distracted. Um, well that was my beck to test. We did end up talking about Paddington. You ended up well, Paddington One. I guess the movie not Paddington the the movie is genderless, yes, genderless icon Paddington's movie. Should we bring out our guests?
You know him from being a TV writer. He is the co host of Punch Up the Jam podcast. He's also been a previous gust of ours on our Star Wars Force Awakens episode give It Up for Demi? Did you? eBay? Hi? Thanks for coming back. Thank you for having me back. Also, in defense of you saying that Paddington doesn't count for Beck told cast it's you. You can't talk about a man, right, yes, a boy? Oh true, little baby boy. We found a loophole. We had to start the podcast over. Great. Great, So,
DENNI thank you so much for being here. What's your history your relationship with the Paddington movie. I feel like you just asked me grandpa, tell me a story about the war. And I'm like, oh, Paddington, but like a really wonderful war that we all love so much. This is how this is how Titanic starts. And I just leave out the everything after the sex. I'm like, no, that didn't happen. It's just a nice boat, right, um.
Basically Paddington. People were like for hang out about Paddington two, and I was kind of like, okay, well everyone seems to really on ironically love it. I'm gonna go see it. And I went to see it with a bunch of friends and then I was like, wow, that was delight, but I haven't seen Paddington one. So I went home, like the next day watched Paddington one because on Netflix, and then I was like, I think you texted me going like have you seen Paddington I was like, no,
but I want to see it again. And we went and saw Paddington two in theaters again. I think it was my second time, your third time at the time. Yes, yes, And I was just like, this movie is very good, very good. It's just so pleasant. Didn't you get kicked off of Twitter for yes? Yeah? For defending his honor.
This is the war part of the story. I basically a friend of mine, ben Con, was tweeting one day that he was jokingly saying, well, guys, just finally saw Paddington two, and I gotta say that bear kind of a naive dipshit and I no, fair point, half a fair point, he's naive, but we love him for no. So basically I responded to him saying, as a joke, I just said I will kill you Benjamin, and Twitter
don't like that. So someone basically started like abusing the reports stem and got me kicked off, and then everyone was like, what are you? Why are you know? Hey, that's not how it works. And Twitter was like, yeah, okay, sorry, Well I'm glad you're back on Twitter. O me too, Victory Jamie, what's your history with Paddington You harassed me until I watched it on Christmas? I liked I did remember I watched there was a TV series that I watched, and when I was younger and I read some of
the books, it wasn't like it was weird. I was more attached to Babar kid. You don't know him as babe Bar baye Bar. I don't, well, I know, I think it is bay Bar, but really, oh, I just looked at someone like that. I was trying to cross. I feel like, this is a moment when I realized, why did I confidently correct you mid phrase? This is like when one time I thought I knew how to say you and McGregor's last Oh my god, Elwen, it's you win, you win. That doesn't make it. You kept
saying I guess I said it. Really, I said it really conivident. I was like, I like he was named by ARNLD Schwarzenegger, so Gregor. You know, there's no way to know how Babar. I don't even know who bab bar ishant. Okay, I know British elephant suit crown, what you want? I'm learning things there. Anyways, you know we gotta get that friend. Where's the social justice bay Bar franchise? Good question? To make it happen? So I made you.
I harassed you into watching it, both of them back to back on Christmas, and I did love them, and then I watched them back for this and I still love them. It hasn't been that long. Yeah, what about Well, I really you know that I love these movies. I saw the first one, not right when it came out, but I would say like late twenty fifteen into I think, Yeah, I saw Paddington two in theaters four times, and I just love it so much. It makes me cry. Even
when I'm watching it. The parts that don't make me cry, I just think about the parts that do make me cry, and then I cry. Anyway. So the act of crying through Paddington has become like a sort of meta exercise, and that crying is so much a part of it that you have to think of either the fact that you are crying or the lack of tears. Yes, yeah, I appreciate when a movie tells me when to cry via music, because sometimes you're like, oh, wait, I'm heartless,
how do I know? And then the movie goes like n and you're like, oh, I'm yeah, that was Avengers Endgame. I didn't know what the funk was going on. Oh yeah, characters I've never heard of? So wait, did you watch Endgame? Having not seen any of it, I'd seen like three out of twenty, and then I went to see Endgame and I was in I was weeping, but only when I was told that is just it's I feel like
I'm getting off on a different thing here. But I'm like, that is fascinating because I feel like, even with three you kind of get it all, you understand. I mean, it's easy to be like, oh, they're friends. Yeah, um should I do the recap? Let's do it. So I'm gonna recap both movies in a slightly less detailed way than I normally do because we we have a finite amount of time for the show. We got two movies to talk ad here we go. So Paddington one, it's
about a little bear. I'm already crying. Um. He immigrates to London from Darkest Peru. He's trying to find a new home after an earthquake destroys his home that he lives in with his aunt Lucy and uncle Pastuzo. Uh. He goes looking for the explorer who his aunt and uncle had met when the explorer went on an expedition to Peru. And this explore discovered that the bears can talk, and he introduces them to Marmalade and he teaches them English and he is clearly actively trying to call any
and he's a cologne. But then he doesn't, so we love him. He thought about it, but then he's like, they can speak English. I won't colonize that he's bad. So anyway. Uh. The little Bear arrives in London and people aren't as welcoming as he thought they would be. But eventually a family finds him at Paddington Station, which is basically the Ellis Island of this movie. Right, It's like if everyone who came to Ellis Island was named Ellis Island. Yeah. Uh, and this is the Brown family. Um,
it's Mrs Brown who names him Paddington. Mr Brown, their kids Judy and Jonathan and then a relative Mrs Bird, who we meet a little later on. Is that Rown Mom? Yes, that is Julie Walter's Yeah. Also in Mamma Mia. Yeah. In Mary Poppin's Returns, whoa her career? She's had a salute, Julie, Yes, what a strong four years. So the family takes Paddington home and they promised to help him find this explorer. Important to note that Mr Brown is pretty racist towards Bears.
He's a full on xenopope, I think, honestly in the Brown family in the first movie, you're like, the Brexit vote is split in this household. Yeah, it makes you wonder why Mr and Mrs Brown are married. I wonder this whole franchise why she doesn't dump his as. Yeah, oh my god. This movie is the cute version of Green Book because in that same sense, Linda Cardlini is like, no, my husband's thrown a my spoiling green Book for anyone.
I'm just kidding. It spoils itself. Basically, he like throws away two glasses that's like two black construction workers drink out of, which is just a vile act of racism. It's like they touched this, I can't have it in my home, and she just looks it in the trash and I was like, my husband like, she's just like, oh, racism, such an inconvenience, wasting so many glasses. Learns to love
the manly just like Mr Brown well Sally Hawkins. I mean, in that relationship, she must be addicted to emotional labor, because that's all that is for her, is her being like in the first movie, she's like, please don't be racist, and the second movie she's like, please don't hate people who got a prison so much. And every time Mr Brown gets to be do the cathartic speech at the end and be like I figured it out, I shouldn't be racist, and we're like, yes, she's just gonna be
like ha ha, yeah, yes, yep, he did it. Good job. So one of the reasons that Mr Brown isn't a big fan of Paddington is that he does mess up their house a lot because he's a clumsy little Berry can't help it. Cute, but allegory falls away at this point, by the way, and then meanwhile, Nicole Kidman is in the movie with a wig. Nicole Kiman and Nicole Kiman's wig. Please don't forget they're saying they are credited separately. Yes, yes, yes, yes, the wig higher billing. Yeah, the wig is Union baby.
She finds out that this little bear is in town, and then she goes looking for him because she wants to kill and stuff him. And then there's also a racist neighbor, Mr. Curry, who's trying to help Nicole Kidman because he also hates bears. Meanwhile, Paddington and the Browns continue to try to track down the explorer with the help of Mr Gruber and Paddington's hat that leads them to the Geographer's Guild, and then they learned the name
of the explorer, Montgomery Clyde. So then Paddington is about to go like find Montgomery Cline, but then he overhears Mr Brown being like, Paddington sucks and he's putting our family in danger, and then Sally Hawkins is like kind
of so Paddington leaves and we cry. Then he goes to the last m Clyde in the book, and it's the same house that Nicole Kidman lives at and her wig and her wig she kidnaps him and it turns out that she is the daughter of the explorer, and she is bitter that her late father refus used to collect the specimen of this species of bears who can stem with Daddy issues man home run. So then the Browns go to rescue Paddington because they realize how good
this we better is for the family. And then Paddington almost dies, but then the Browns save him and they bring him into their family. Is one of their own. The end of the first one of the first one, Yes, and now onto Paddington to the best movie ever made. Um Allegory is back. Yes, a different one. It appears for a few all right, the first act set up, it's gonna be just like this thing's like all right, But what about when he's like making sandwich is all right?
It's it's a different movie. Then, I like, Wendy, I want to imagine like the Paddington two pitch of like someone busting down the door. They would be like, this is an indictment of the prison industrial complex. They're like, yeah, sure, hello listeners. It was at this point during the live show that something happened to our recording the connection with Curse Indoors. Yes, but it was only for five minutes,
so we only lost five minutes of audio. At this point, the assassins came into the room so we were fighting them off and Hugh Grant came in and it was like, yeah, um, so here's what you missed. Yes, so we're just gonna we're in the studio now, we're filling in the gaps. Mind the gap because Britain, because of British Yes. Okay, So here's the recap to Paddington two. Um. Paddington has been living with the Browns for a few years now.
They all love each other. Everything is great until Paddington is in the wrong place at the wrong time and he likely story just so typical of Paddington um. And he is accused of stealing a pop up book of London, which is the same book that he was saving up money for to buy as a gift to his brought Lucy, Yes from Mr Gruber um because he wants to give something to Aunt Lucy for her birthday and I also
had a birthday icon paying it forward. Less, we find out that the actual thief is their new neighbor, Phoenix Buchanan, played by Hugh Grant in the role of a lifetime really incredible. Seeing Hugh Grant in this role made me think about how he should have been count all off in a series of unfortunate events. He's doing basically the same character and doing circles around new Patrick Harris and
Jim Carey. Yes, yes, so Phoenix Buchanan stole the book because it turns out that it's a treasure map to Madame Koslova's fortune that Phoenix is also planning to steal. But Paddington is tried, convicted, and sent to prison very quickly this all happens, and honestly, I was just like, damn, Parliament is so much more efficient. They were American justice system in our in America, it would have been a three month long televised event, right, But there's just a
female judge is like, fuck, you gotta jail. No, it's a it's a male. It's a female lawyer in Paddington too, but it's the male judge who gets his head buzzed because of Paddington anyway, So he gets sent to prison for Phoenix's crime, and the Brown's work to clear Paddington's name, and eventually Mrs Brown figures out that it is Phoenix
Buchanan who's the real thief. But by that time a few of the other prisoners have convinced Paddington to break out of prison with them, but not before Paddington has reformed the prison and made a lot of baked goods there, right, I do love the prison before message. I will say, when they escaped prison, we don't know what they're guilty of, and it may in fact be very dangerous that certain prisoners might be rapists literally like statists. I mean, at
least one shouldn't have got out of jail. Yeah, there's plenty of false over convictions. Prison industrial complex is strong, yes, but at least one there's like seven of them. I'm like, at least one person really should have stated I'm hoping they were all there on like minor marijuana possession charges. Yeah, oh that's nice. Yeah, they just like live somewhere where it's not quite legal and they got busted like three years too early. I have no idea if marijuana is
legal in the UK or not. Listeners, English listeners, are you high right now? And if so, is it legal? Um? So? They the prisoners have convinced Paddington to break out with them because they've convinced him that it's his only chance to clear his name. So Paddington escapes and then he realizes that they've lied to him, so he goes off on his own and he contacts the Browns and they tell him to meet them at Paddington Station. Wouldn't you
believe it? Because that is where the Koslova Traveling Fair is about to leave from, and that is also where they think Phoenix Buchanan is about to steal the fortune from I love a third act. Everyone's got to be in this location at this time, so they all they find him. They're chasing after him on various trains, and they all finally stop Phoenix, but then Paddington almost dies again. I mean, the train scene is incredibly done. Like I think for everyone at the live show, it was evoking
something a little bit different. For me, it was the Bye Bye By music video. Sure sure for me it was the end of Back to the Future three and also the beginning of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. For me, it was really just the by By By
music video beautiful. And then Mrs Brown saves Paddington with the help of the prisoner bodies who come back for him, and then At the very end, the Browns and the whole neighborhood get together and they surprise Paddington by bringing Lucy to London to see him, and we cry, Christ it is so beautiful. I love this movie. So learn he respects women, he does seminist icon Paddington. Can we make that shirt? Please? I guess so. I feel like he doesn't really, I'm sorry. I mean, he's not really
doing He's not out there at the protest. He's yet, he's he's I think Paddington does the bare minimum, which we appreciate, bear minimum, the bear there's the shirt doing the bear minimum. That's not true. He does the bear maximum. Can you say that? I think that's a good compromise, a compromise. Once Paddington shows up at a rally, then you know he'll achieve feministe. Let's put it to a vote on our on our Twitter. We're gonna have the
different design options and then let's let the leaves decide. Yeah. Well, you know they're going to be like, oh look bear, God damn it, I don't want to make this shirt. I'll make it. I'm not a very good artist, but I'll for Paddington. I will design so this Okay, cool, So we have to go to a quick break and then we will come right back, and we're back. We're still in the studio because yes, because the very beginning
of our discussion got cut off. But hopefully we'll find a way to smoothly transition back into the live show.
Here we go. So, something that's stuck out to me and I think it's worth, you know, discussing, is in both of the Paddington movies there is a use of what I've viewed to be kind of a trophy use of sudden maternal instinct syndrome in regards to the Paddington character that will work as an effective transition back into the live show, which we see in a million movies of like the second that Mary Brown sees Paddington, she's like,
we have to help him. I am a mummy, and then in padding to do it kind of even doubles down on that, where like Aunt Lucy sees padding to in the little cub and it's like we're not moving because I'm mommy, Like it's it's it's fairly intense. Yeah, I choose to see all of that as Mary and Judy and Mrs Bird just being very active participants in the story. But I will, I mean, it is like worth noting that we don't see any male character have that inherent caring, which I wish they're too busy being
racist against say that. The one time where you do see that sort of caring instinct from Mr Brown is sort of shown as a joke where it's like they go into the hospital with the motorcycle and he comes down. It's like, oh, everybody, stay away, stay away. A protective person. Yeah, that's true. It's funny. He doesn't feel that towards anyone
who is not his own children, right exactly. Yeah, Like he would never extend that caring too, So it's like caring and and it's like that I don't even know where I fall on this, but it is definitely a trope relegated to women of like something turns on inside of you and you'll just pick up a bear, like
you'll just do it, like we're bringing it home. This is my son now, Like now I see what you're saying, And yes, I agree, and I would argue even that like Mrs Bird ends up being like a caregiver, not necessarily so much as a maternal figure, but she she spends most of the movie cleaning up after Paddington, so that's you know, she's forced into a caregiver type role. So what I like about Mrs Brown is that we know what she does for a fucking job that happens.
I was worried that And I don't know if this is true in the books, like uh if there are any book hits anyone here read a fucking book before uh me either, But I think it's cool that, like she has given a career, we know what it is the entire franchise. It's not added as like an afterthought, which because we're kind of given this like nuclear family, like isn't really a given for for the mom to even have of a job, much less we know what
it is or like how it affects their lives. And even in the in the second movie, her job lends itself to a skill that actually becomes pretty important to the story because she draws descriptions of the different criminals who were showing up, and which is what I think is one of the movie's great strengths is that all the female characters who we get to know who are significant to the story are just that they are significant to the story because they all have skills or interests
or a job that actually like contributes to the events of the story and that they can, especially in the second one, because there is like you know, it's like we are like always looking out for Mary Sue kind of tropes where in a lesser movie that isn't Paddington too, Sally Hawkins being able to dive into like the ocean or whatever body of water it is, and like almost released Paddington would be like, how the fund does she
do that? But that's set up at the beginning of the movie that she's been trapped to sing, she's been swimming a lot, and the same as sort of lent to um. Judy has has this interest in journalism that set up at the beginning of the movie that becomes useful to helping figure out what's happening to Paddington. I wish that, like in the second movie, like Mary and Judy should have started like a serial style podcast. Oh where's this bear at? That? Did odd non do it? Did? Yeah?
That would be fun. Everything that we're describing probably just sounds like how storytelling should work, you know, like the female characters contributing to the events of the plot, But if you've ever heard our show before, you know that that's actually pretty rare. So get to do one thing
like out of nowhere, right exactly. But in this movie, like all the female characters pretty much every step of the way throughout both movies are contributing to the story and have like skills and interests that pay off in
some significant way. Here's the question, do you think the maternal instinct that comes from the women in this franchise is sort of done that way because they need the women to be the voice of reason and all the men are like the buffoons sort of in a way that it's like, if the women are the voice of reason, they have to find the solution, and because the plot is saved this child bear, it feels like being the voice of reason is sort of coming off as maternal.
I like where you're thinking, DEMI, I still think that it's like this movie accomplished, Like this whole franchise gets to be so nuanced in so many ways, and that's like one of the few ways where it didn't do it, where like the men are so cartoonishly uninterested in helping a helpless child in both of them that it almost feels unrealistic or so I don't even know if that's that cartoonish, because I mean this is where sort of
like the allegory comes in. Well, yeah, for especially Paddington One, where like Mr Brown is just behaving the way a lot of people would behave to you know, an immigrant or an outsider, someone who's been mothered in a way that is unfortunately pretty realistic for how a lot of
people behave. That's fair. I I just I do think that like the maternal instinct turning on like a light switch and like just sort of being something that is integral to the plot, Like there's I don't know, like there's a more nuanced way to accomplish that, because it happens in so many movies of just like the man doesn't have the time for it, and then the female character is like, no, we have to, and it's like that is a good thing, that is the thing that
all people should be capable of doing. But it it does just sort of seem trophy to to relegate it to her in a completely unnuanced way. But you're right, like the fact that it is an allegory kind of
does shift that dynamic a little bit. I sometimes feel like when people do that in movies where it's just like, oh, the women have to be the voice reason the entire time, it's because they're afraid that when people watch movies and see a woman being like funny or even just like flawed in any way, they'll be like, well, we can't do that, people hate us for it's not perfect. And it's like that's not it's not the problem. Yeah. So there's so many Merry Sue characters too, It's just like
most times there's mary See characters. I feel like it's written by like guys who are feeling insecure about like, well I don't want girls to hate me. Let me just like write a boring as character that gets everything right. And that's not necessarily these characters. But you know this
movie is written by men. Yeah, so me with with no mothering instinct to speak of, because like if there is like an overly maternal character, or like a female character is characterized in such a way that like she just she's like the mommy who has to be the mommy to everyone, like that definitely is something that I tend to notice. And you know, depending on how severe it is, will you know, annoy me that amount for these I see like Mrs Brown, I guess just as
being more compassionate than maternal. But again, I just can't criticize this movie, so I don't know, but I mean it tips a little bit that way for me, but it's like not to the point where I, I mean, the good thing is, even though I feel like that's present, there's still so much more to that character that we know about, especially like between movies one and two, I feel like there's an even more of an improvement on how much like care is given to the female characters
in terms of they're always active participants, but in like how much we know about them were In the first movie, Judy's storyline is mostly like she has a crush on a boy and at the end she introduces the boy to her mom. And then in the second one, I feel like, and I hope that, you know, all franchises can kind of move in this direction in a lot of ways of like, oh, maybe that was a little bit lazy, and like, Okay, let's give her an interest.
Let's give her she basically starts Jezebel at the Getting Him this movie, it's like this, She's like she starts in All female newspaper Boys Loud and Yes, is it implied that it's because she like felt sad about a relationship ending. Sure, but that's also why I started in comedy. So whatever one start. Yeah, I like started to write a note being critical of that, and I'm like, Jamie, you fucking did that. But it is cool, Like between movies one and two it seems like, you know, the
writers were you know, taking notes. Even the first one, though it's set up early on that she has an interest in like language, and it's like she's learning Chinese and she wants to open a small business. She's going to be a business owner. Uh. And then that pays off because she starts learned Paddington starts teaching her Bear, and then she's able to communicate with him in Bear and ends up helping to save his life because she's like, oh, we need to go to the roof. He's going for
the roof. So um, at least like she's equipped with that skill and that interest that again, like you know, contributes to the events of the story. Um. In both movies, we get like an overview of the Brown family where it's basically like Paddington relaying to his aunt Lucie, like just who the Browns are and what they do, And I was kind of reminded of what happens in the Royal tent West. Yeah. It was like the west planbe Plan movie. Yeah, the West Yeah, the Weston flambe Plan movie.
That movie that is every every frame is yellow. So in The Royal Tenant Bombs, which we talked about on the show, there's like this voiceover narration and it's like, look at all the boys. Here's all the things they've accomplished, here's all the things they like to do, and here's how awesome they all aren't, like visually similar to yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And then for the female characters in The Royal Tenant Bombs, it's like, here's all the boys that she fucked at the end, so like that's all we
know about that. And that again does happen to like a small degree with like Judy because it's like she has a crush on Tony uh and you like wish that the information was reversed, but at least the year right, like the thing with like, Okay, there's at least more to her than like likes a boy and likes the boy and learning a language is better than I was doing it. Twelve Should we just talk about sort of the allegorical elements of these fine movies? I mean, where
do you kin? Yeah, sure, let's do it. So the first one, Paddington one, is essentially an allegory for uh
An immigrants experience. I think it's a good allegory, except that I think the problem might be that this could have given visibility to an actual brown or black person who is an immigrant and like seeing their story, and instead it's a bear, and then everyone else's So wait, are you saying that instead of Paddington's being a bear he should have been a I'm not saying that necessarily because if there's if you're if your take here is,
I can't criticize anything about this movie, however, an indigenous Peruvian boy. Yes, um, I don't know if I'm communicating my point very well. I say, I see what you're saying. I mean, where there could have been visibility to an immigrant who is from Peru who would probably be a brown person. Instead it's a bear who speaks the Queen's English. So I mean I think that that I mean for
this franchise. I don't know how possible it is to make that edit without it becoming a very different Yeah, but there is I mean, and then there is such like a history with I mean, we can go straight up Sally Hawkins movies specifically with other characters being you know, like subbed out by like animals or by creatures, and there's like such a history of that happening, which I feel like this is one of the gentler examples of that because you know, you can extend that allegory to
like early monster movies and like a lot of ship like that were I don't know, Yeah, there's been there's been a lot of like interesting I've got I've got some quotes. Sure, there's been a lot of interesting stuff written about how Paddington is like an other creature that is representing a different group of people. I got some hot facts, Jamie's hot facts, Hot facts with Jamie. So, Paddington has been a political symbol for over sixty years, uh so since or almost sixty years. Sorry my facts
are bad. But the the author of the original books has always used Paddington as a as a political symbol. As recently as two thousand and nine, Paddington was like the voice of like his character was used in a campaign to end the arrested detention of hundreds of child
asylum seekers in prison like conditions in the UK. Like he's a huge like UK like immigration advocate, so me an icon for a very long time, and like was I was very curious about in the adaptation, like how much of the intent was in the book versus how much was translated. But he was written that way to be because the author of the books had been a Holocaust survivor, and like, there there were a lot of uh, displaced children narratives that went into like the writing of
this book, So I thought that was interesting. One of the things that also, like the only criticism from the original creators of Paddington, the only criticisms of the movie were the relationship between Paddington and Mr Gruber because apparently also originally the fact that Paddington is from Peru was
a suggestion of an editor. He was originally from darkest Africa, and then they were like, how about darkest Peru And it's like, still fucking weird, still fucking racist, but sure so originally the Mr Gruber Paddington's relationship was written to be too Immigrants to London who were bonding, and so the fact that a white actor was cast as Mr Gruber kind of irked the original creators because they had they would always have tea at Eleven's is and I
guess that that was something that Paddington had done in Peru that was brought to London and they were that was supposed to be their connection, and that was like lost in translation in the movie. I literally just watched this movie yesterday, but I can you help me remember
who Mr Grouper is. Jim Broadbent. He's the guy who has has the antika, Yes, right, yeah, No, that does feel like a role that they want you to believe is like someone who's not from like with the accent everything you I think they wanted to get the credit of it being like a foreigner, but not actually give the role to a person who wasn't from the UK. Yeah. Yeah, so that was like the one thing that and I said, sorry, the the editor of Paddington was a Holocaust survivor. The
writer was not. But they were the two people who shaped the character, and so that was their one note, which is like better than you know, most adaptations. Sure, that's Jamie's hat facts. I love it. I mean, it's no cat facts with Caitlin, it was are the cats in these movies? There's no cats? Harsh. There's a dog in the second one, but actually there's a dog in both of them. There's a dog. Yeah. The dog scene in the first one almost made me cry yesterday. I
don't know why. When he like picks it up and takes it on the escalator. Just before that, the part where he like steps his foot on the escalator and like pulls his leg back, I almost I just started being like, he's so afraid right now. I don't know why. And then like also the scene at the end where he's climbing up with the vacuums and then like one of the vacuums stops and he just starts falling towards the fire. I was like, oh my god, what what the fund are they doing? I don't know what place
I'm in. But I have multiple points in both of these movies. First, like I kept because we had like a Paddington Bear toy at my house when I was a little and I kept thinking that he was a toy and not an actual bear, which at certain points would make a big difference. Yeah, but I yeah, I kept forgetting that he was actual bear who came from Peru. Yeah, I guess I want to talk a little bit more about each of the main female characters who we get to know, starting with Mrs Brown, because she is kind
of largely responsible for getting the story going. Like she's the worst time. Yeah, she's the one who approaches Paddington at the station. She's the one who keeps challenging her racist husband to like say, it's just help him, like it's just for the night kind of Yeah, why are they married? They have nothing in common any sense, Yeah, Judy and Jonathan, And then in movie Too, in Paddington Too, it's Mary who like is especially hell bent on trying
to figure out who the actual thief is. She's doing all the drawing. She goes full Sarcanic. She's like, gotta fun pinboard. She's like this means this, This means this. He's just like, holy sh it. She like breaks and enters into Phoenix's. She really goes like full investigative reporter. Yeah, yeah, I just I guess I like that how active she is and how much of a driving force she is
to like keep the narrative going. In both movies, and both times, like in spite of her husband, she is continuing to advocate for this bear who becomes her bear son. And the first one she's like, I'm no, I love this bear. Also he should be our son. And then the second and she's like, he's our son, now, please stop being rude the prisoners and like she does where like Mr Brown, you can see he does inch forward as the plot goes on in each movie, which is encouraging.
One thing I do not love about that character is that he always gets a cathartic speech and moment for making a very basic human decision where he's like, actually, racism is bad. And every time like a white guy says that, they get like a standing oh. And this movie kind of gives that to him and this it wins an oscar uh and kind of the same thing.
In the second one, he has like a little cathartic speech and every time that happens, you're just like, yeah, well you're your wife has been saying that for five French well, Jamie. Men need to redeem themselves all the time.
There is a moment um in Ington to where Mr and Mrs Brown are sneaking through Phoenix Buchanan's house and then they go up to the attic and I see like all of the costumes and then Mr Brown is like, we were right, and then Mrs Brown is like we because it was only her and he's trying to take credit for her work. Yeah that felt like a little yeah, little bone thrown. Sure, um, I guess and I just like that Mrs Brown um challenges her shitty husband of
the time, it's true. But then there's a moment in like Paddington One where towards the end there in the Natural History Museum and he's like someone has to go out this window to save Paddington and that someone is going to be me, and he does this like display of like kind of traditional like macho heroism, and then Mrs Brown is like, oh, Henry, you're such a man, and like she gets like all weak in the knees, which I felt was unnecessary. But then that doesn't really
happen in Paddington Twoad. Mr Brown is like, I'm having a midlife crisis and I'm getting old and I wasn't promoted at work. So it's actually about his fragile male ego. Well, there's also a little too to his credit like that he there's like a little tiny like he's passed over because he's older, and that is the first time he's been marginalized in his life, and it blows his fucking He becomes such an as he's like, wait a second,
I can't hear what are I fucking want? And then a book and then he like signing up for yoga classes, which I thought was funny. Yeah, uh, Judy, we talked about her sort of like linguistics skills in the first movie and then like her interest in journalism in the second one. I like how that character grows. Yeah, she and I feel like she and she might even be like a little more integral to the plot than Jonathan is,
but they're about equal and Jonathan the first one. Like in the first one, I was like, well, why do we know about Judy's romantic interest in not Jonathan, but he's younger. And then but then as he ages up, we don't really find out that much about Like we don't get his equivalent of Tony. We get Jay Dog, right, right,
Jay Dog might be his equivalent of Tony. That's true, that's his kind, that's his He's like, listen, I've hit Puberty's He's like trying to impress this kid, but that they like bump fist with the fair yeah and spud bounce Yeah. But what if? What if it's not he's trying to play cool to this guy that he wants to be cool with. But it's like he wants to find common ground with his boy that he has a crush.
I hope, So where is that fan? Paddington's three um Uddington's is voiced by Queer Icon Ben Wishaw of Cloud, Oh God remember him, Big Cloud Atlas Room Ben Wishaw isn't a movie. I think it's called Perfume or something portrait of a killer in which the final scene is an enormous orgy, and then up until that point he has been murdering women and stealing their scent to make perfume. Out of icon queer Icon Ben Wishaw makes sense, like, yeah,
he's the bear. It's a straight pipeline between those two kids. I wanted to talk a little bit about the men dressing in drag, which happens in both movies. Hilarious bit anyway, A flawless nothing like such a staple in UK comedy too, and has been for like a b jillion year like I was. Unfortunately, I wasn't surprised at all that that happened, because you're like, if there's more than fifty British people in the cast, this will happen and you will feel
weird about it. It feels like there's always a moment where someone goes over to the wreck and she's like, I was thinking, what if I were a dressed for this one? Right? And they was like, yeah, okay, like what we did that happens in of movies made in this country, so we can do it different. It'll be great, like, no, we're going to do very tastefully. Well they sort of
didn't in this movie, unfortunately. So um In the first movie, Mr Brown dresses as a like cleaning lady to get into the geographer's guild, and then when he and Paddington are telling this story doing the recap if you will, to the rest of the family, Mrs Brown is all like, oh, that sounds so brave, Henry, you're such a man. And Mr Brown is like, you know, there's a time for being boring and annoying and there's a time for being
a man. And Paddington says Mr Brown dressed up as a lady and someone stuck pins in him, and then the family is like what in address? What? What? What? And then Mr Brown's like no, and then Paddington is like it did look like a dress, and then Mr Brown is like, well if a housecoat, it was quite liberating actually, right, So it ends on you're like, well
it didn't. Yeah, I love I will say I love how even in this bad taste joke they find a way to paint Paddington is like naive in a way where he's clearly not in on the offensive part of the joke, like he contributes to this, but we still love him for right, He's just like stated, yeah, he's prettin brilliant. It's it's what every all right guy thinks they're saying, Like, I'm just saying facts. Facts. Sometimes that's bad what he's like, Actually, I didn't actually say anything
that was offensive. I just said what happened? Proof? Proof? Proof? What if Paddington? All right? Oh no he's not don't work Okay? No, seriously, Like what did Paddington vote for on Brexit? Obviously he's against Brexit? I know, but I think Mr Brown is like, oh couldus waiting the way Brown, I'm against voting at all. No, Paddington is very political. I think that only natural born citizens should be allowed
to vote. What if Paddington got radicalized on YouTube? Oh my god, don't say three Paddington logs in anyway, I'm a nice guy and the women don't seem to be interested in me. No, don't make Paddington an in. So No, I hope this Paddington is a sexual. Actually, there's a thing called chats and Becky's it's the school. You're killing me. I'm dying, Okay, hope if I if I told you that,
I can absolutely here patting saying like all cops are bastards. Okay. Anyway, So this scene that we just described, it's like it's another example of like a man presenting as feminine in some way and then like that being for him. It's
not the worst example we've seen. I'm thinking of like what women want to where like mel Gibson comes out and all the stuff, and then his daughter is like god, and there's literally some that are you know, followed by dry heaving from the fragile milking right right, Like it gets really bad. This isn't as bad, but it's still important. This isn't a side. But did you know What Women Want cost seventy million dollars to make? Yes, but there
was no scene in that movie that looks expensive. Yeah, well the cruise that they cut away to for no reason. Prom that they cut away changed and it's addressed. Really, there's a scene where sorry, I'm on a totally different thing now is the scene where is walking by to talk to Helen Hunt and they stopped in the hallway and there's like a person there who's waiting to talk to someone, and it's James Cameron. They don't talk to him. You don't know he's there unless you are looking for him.
But it's James Cameron. Honestly, I'm always looking for him and I'm so embarrassed. I know it's usually under the scene. So I don't blame you for not an eyesore like I should have noticed him. Director isn't taking it back to Paddington. Doesn't the guy who was like into Mr Brown in Address really look like Christopher Nolan? Oh? He does, and he co wrote the second movie. That's his name is like Simon Farnaby or something like course. So in
that scene where Mr Brown is uh. In Drag there is a man who pretty aggressively hits on Mr Brown dressed as a woman. I'm interested in, like what our queer listeners think about this, because the same character comes back in Paddington two and he is very attracted to Hugh Grant dressed is a nun. I have chosen to think that it's either that this character is either just like very attracted to kind of mask women, or that he's queer and he doesn't really know it yet. We've
got to get a music sting to play under. I have chosen to think of like do do do do do? But both times like it's played as a joke and the movie I to me, the joke isn't so much that it's like, oh look how weird and wrong it is that this guy is attracted to like a man in Drag. It's more that he just simply is attracted to a man. But I feel like it's written I mean, it's like written for laughs, it's written to and I am coming from a place of being you know, cis head.
So we're interested in what our listening think. For sure, I keep feeling like I I I'm just kinda like, hm, well, in defense of the more offensive position. But what I will say about this is it feels like, at least in the second one, they played the joke more as the fact that he well, I guess it's still like that's not great, but they play the joke more as like it's not oh, he's a woman as much as it is that like this man is like you are
a gorgeous woman. Like even the moment where he runs away and it's just like a stop, that incredibly gorgeous woman. It feels like that becomes the joke of like, incredibly gorgeous is the part that you're supposed to laugh at. And I'm like, is it worse that they're like, oh, this person that he thinks is a woman and that we are supposed to believe is not beautiful is beautiful as the joke, in which case I'm like, well, that's also not great, right. I don't know, I mean, yeah,
I'm not I don't know. I'm not qualified to make the call. I don't know. Yeah. So if we've got any people Paddington too complex on it, God damn it. I wanted to talk a little bit about Aunt Lucy because she mostly exists off screen. Paddington talks about her, you know, very lovingly all the time. She seems to have taught him everything that he knows about being like a polite consider a little bear. In Paddington two, we learned that it's Lucy who like spots baby Paddington and
then like jumpson rescues him. That maybe could be argued, Oh, it's another like very maternal instinct international move. Yeah, she's like, we're not going to London anymore. We have to raise a baby again in defense of you. That move is sort of back ended by that moment where she is like risking her life to go like to scale down into the rapids to save a person. I feel like it doesn't become oh, I must take care of this
child until she realizes it's a child. It's just like a purely a move of generosity or like out of empathy for fellow bear. Right, Yeah, it's compassion and not maternal instinct. But what I choose to think, Okay, And then the other thing I wanted to say about her was that I think it's it tends to be more common for us to see if there's like a male character who has a relationship with a family member in
a movie, it's often with another male character. Um you know, it's like father and son or uncle and nephew something like that. So I like that you see such a positive relationship between a male and then a female. Relatively, I feel like we don't see that quite enough. I
think that's true. There are a few, Yeah, I mean I still I still am sort of like on the maternal trope wave here, but I do think I mean, it's interesting because in the first movie, especially, like there's a lot of attention paid to Paddington and Mr Brown trying to find their common ground, whereas for Mrs Brown the common ground is never questioned, so there's really not as much of a journey for that relationship to take because they're always on the same page. That's not really
as present in the bare Thing. I feel like Aunt Lucy and uncles are, see, they seem more grounded in the allegory than the Browns are a lot of the time, because they're just like in it less and they're connected
to his life in Peru and a lot of it. Like, I don't know that Aunt Lucy seems make me cry so much because she's like she is a prominent maternal figure in his life, but she also represents his whole past life in Peru, and like she seems to like represent a lot of things to him and represent homesickness and also he can't write his uncle his uncle died and so yeah, the aunt Lucy thing that that doesn't really I mean she she just symbolizes his whole childhood
to him and like everything that is familiar and good. So yeah, I don't know, I gott no, I got I don't know how any problem without Lucy. She's so nice. Yeah, yeah, what do you think Paddington three would like? Allegory wise, where do you see it extending to? Okay, so we didn't really talk about I mean like prison reform for Paddington too. We didn't go into a huge detail about their simply not time. But Pattington three, oh gosh, I mean marriage equality. What are the issues that can tackle
I want patting to to stop Brexit? Like do we have time or is it like the wage gap? I mean there's so much. Is it an abortion thing? Like patting gets someone pregnant and then it's like it's your right to choose and Mr Curry is like, Nope, it shouldn't be a right to choose. It is her right to choose. And at the end he's like, all right, she can choose. An hour and a half later, Brown is like she should have the right to choose, and
we all collap. Set up, you know how they keep they set up like what they're good at, and how it comes back in at the end. In the beginning, for some reason, they set up that Mr Brown is a terrific abortion doctor because I don't know, I don't know if I'm just like weird weird set up. And then by the animal like, oh, he's like the house opening section this round is taken to giving a bulstions to him out of this house because it's no longer legal.
A house has become a bit of an abultion. W also slip in like, by the way in this world it's illegal now. Yeah, we got to raise the stakes in Paddington and also the world. Uh, And I mean we didn't fully go into it just really quick with the Milicent Nicole kidman, I think this is like a villainous trope that we've come up against a bunch at this point. But it's like in the same lane as like Ursula the Sea Witch is science adjacent woman who
is a little older. Uh it does not seem to be in a romantic relationship, has extreme daddy issues and all this it's up to being a fucking murderer. Yeah, like that whole it sucks because I mean that performance is so good and the way the character plays out, like I like watching that character, but there's so I like that we get the context for her of like
this is why I feel that way. At least she's motivated, but it's motivated by daddy issues, So it kind of ends up just kind of being a wash for me.
The wig really should have gotten an oscar. Now. That said, though, her performance is if a woman had helped write this movie, that would have been a better character, right, because we I mean we've talked about this a little bit before, but we especially in children's movies it seems or like family targeted movies because we see this in Incredibles two, we see it and like you said, like a little Mermaid and any other like kind of like who are
like stem adjacent and that being villainized often that I wanted to briefly talk about Mrs Bird Also, she's mostly seen vacuuming in the movie, but she often will like swoop in at the end and like do something significant.
I do like that she kind of uses people's biases against old people against them, because like she shows up in the at the end of the first movie and like goes to the security guard and it's like, oh, will you help a frail old woman out of the cold, and like she's like, I'm not frail, but he doesn't know that. And then she gets plastered and it's great. It's very brave. There's one moment where she pulls a gun and then at the side gig because it's just foam.
She was going to shoot Hugh Grant in the head. She didn't know it was a fake gun, and she was ready to murder him because it was like a set up. She was like, human is going to walk in and then I will shoot him. She had a lot of time to think about, like I'm about to see a dead fucking fan. It's like I'm still doing this. Yeahs like she's done it before. She's yeah, it was very premeditated. I thought she walked like a old friend. I think in the third Paddington movie, they should learn
how to say Paddington's bear name. Oh there's such a weird whatever. Well, it's like if we're going with the allegory of he's he's immigrated to this country, there immediately like, yeah, I don't know how to say that your name is where we fucking are right now? I think the third movie they should learn how to say his goddamn name.
Mr Brown tries, but he says something very rude apparently, so I want like the third movie to open with Mr Brown just like very casually, like looking over like a Rosetta stone of how to do bear, and then by the end it's like, okay, he says it in a way that like Paddington has helped, right, Yeah, I don't know. That's like if you were born and then they're like, what's up Brocton Samaritan Loft is you know? I see your point. I see your point. I choose
to think. I choose I think we shouldn't Like, does anyone have any other final thoughts about either Paddington movie? Since I asked it, I now I'm like, what would I want to happen in Paddington three? And this is just a earnest pitch for Paddington three I think it would be great if something happens with Mr Curry, like a minor offense that gets him brought into court and they find out that he's from a different country and he's going to get deported. Paddington is the one who's like,
but Mr Curry is a part of our neighborhood. We have to save him. And everyone's like, he sucks, he's a fucking asshole, he's racist as ship. Why would you do this? And he's like, well, because that's what we do, and we're part of a community. We look after even the worst parts because then how are we how are we any better than them? And basically he goes around and gets like a petition signed for Mr Curry to be saved, and the entire time Mr Cray still hang
on him. At the end, he's just kind of like, this is my friend. People like it? That nice? Yeah? I love it. Did anyone notice what appears to be the black lesbian couple who live nearby? Yeah, I mean they don't hardly say anything or do anything, but I was like, that's sweet. It was it would have been so easy for them to pass the Bechdel test. Yeah, they've been allowed to speak have them go like, hey,
deb hello Jennifer, we're lesbians, right, Yes, a true passing trailblazing, plazing. Well, speaking of the Bechdel tests, yes, starting with Paddington One, does that pass? That one does? Yeah, that one passes, I think better than the second one. Yes. In Paddington One, Mrs Brown and Judy talk about a Victorian bathing pond.
They talk about the sewers. The sewer exchange is so fun because I'm like, oh, this scene is passing, but they're just talking about the sewers in more detail every time she's like, you know, the sewers, She's like, what the sewers under the ground? What the sewers under the ground? We could walk in them? Oh yeah, yeah, you know. And then their their third interaction that passes is about
like toiletries. So it's a lot of like bathroom based discussions, which is like, yeah, I think women should talk more about bathroom stuff. We talk about it a lot. You and I often exchange sludge. Yeah, I refuse to get more content and I also do too, okay um. And then Mrs Brown and Mrs Bird talk about the weather at some point, and Paddington to however, Paddington two is trickier, I think from a number of perspective, mainly because Paddington
is not with women for most of this movie. He is in an all male prison uh and is solving the prison industrials. It's like four women were incarcerated in the UK. This really wouldn't have been an issue, but but he like that. That is, like, I think one of the major things that prevents Paddington too from passing more. Yes, I agree, Um, there's I think only one conversation that I found that passed, which was Mrs Brown and um Madam Coslova talking about the pop up book and then
about her great name. We only know the last name Coslova, so that's a name, okay, um, But still the context of that conversation station is still like, oh, there's a
bear who's been wrongfully incarcerated. Yeah. I don't think the second one, but I was saying that second one didn't pass because he only The other conversation of note was Mrs Brown and Mrs Bird talking about actors being the most evil and vile people on the planet, which true, but that conversation, yeah, that conversation has about Yeah, Phoenix Pachan well, but it's also about it's a meta joke about the profession of acting, and in that sense is
it It's actually brilliant and it could pass the test they're talking about Hugh Grant. They're I'm ruining Paddington. I'm sorry. The first one passes, yeah a lot, Yes, the second one. Paddington's not around women for most of the movie, right, and a good way. Women are around each other though, and they don't. They're so focused on helping Paddington that
that's the only thing that's like they're doing. It's weird because it's like the women in the movie are mostly doing investigative journalism the whole movie, but the subject of their story is a male bear, So like, what can you do? Here's my question. When I describe a movie as a motherly figure mostly doing investigative work to release an improperly incarcerated family member, am I talking about Paddington too? Or if Real Street could talk the Question of the
Century or Green Book? The first one the second one better for it? Yeah, that's just proof that it improved over time. Yeah. I love when franchises slowly learned piece by piece. But the one will have like a light drag scene. Let's write the movie on our nipple scale zero to five nipples based on its representations women. This is tricky. This is tricky because it is the best franchise ever made. That's exactly what I have people. I can't tell you how often people I say that and
people still think I'm joking. It happens all the time. I know. But it's got like better hit rates than the Godfather. Like I don't know what, sixties percent of the Godfather movies are good. A hundred percent of the Paddington movies are good. That's true. So yeah, um yeah, I love I love these movies. I'll give it a three. I mean, they are like allegories for important topics, and I suppose a way that is more digestible to most
audiences just because it's like there's a cute bear. But um, the female characters, like we said, they're they're playing an active role in the story from start to finish. They are equipped with like skills and interests that are important to the story. But you know, there's those kind of weird moments where the men in drag and how that's kind of mishandled. Uh. There is the villainization of a woman in stem so um three nipples and I whoa,
how many nipples does a bear have? Three? I'm going to give off all three of my nipples will go to Paddington's. I'm also gonna go, uh three nipples. I mean, it's so much of the movie, Is it really Paddington that every female character is by nature going to be a supporting role? Uh? There are. There were those little things you were talking about that kind of bugged me. There was like making sure that the teen girl had a romantic narrative thing that I was like whatever, Like
that didn't impact the story literally at all. But in general, I mean, it's like it's a lovely franchise and I feel like the messages that it has are so there's not a social justice franchise for children that is active besides this one. Yeah, and you know, it's like it's I mean, the movies are great. I'll give three nippies. I'm gonna give one to Sally Hawkins, one to Paddington, and one to the fish from the Shape of Water.
All right, you can yeah, yeah, I didn't realize that. Okay, yes, all right, I'm gonna gonna give it the total recall three nips. I think that I think that, like again, like you said, centering this movie around a male character does sort of mean that a lot of it's gonna
skew mail. But I also think that they are like smaller parts of the dynamics that I'm kind of impressed by, Like how the family Unit it feels like a lot of movies earlier, just a lot of things won't put like a group together where the balance is upset by the number of women being more than the number of men because it feels like like, oh, that's that's a feminine group then, And for it to be like that with the family before they adopt Paddington into the circle
does feel like a thing that it's like, Oh, that means they're gonna focus more on women characters when this family becomes a part of the movie, and I think that's very cool. But I also think that it's like when they started this, it felt like they definitely like, yeah,
we're gonna make this a franchise. So for them to be like, well, the first run out, we are still gonna make the villain a woman does feel like the kind of like quote unquote risk that Hollywood people would be like, oh, yeah, yeah, we'll get the diversity in there if we if we get another one, but this first one's got to be a man, and like for them to be like, no, no, no no, we're just gonna We're gonna have like Nicole Kidman play uh, Like Wacky
Woman feels like something I would be surprised to see in any other franchise because often, I mean we've talked about this too, that if there's a movie with a female villain, it's usually in a movie that also has a female protagonist. It's rare to see a movie where like could a woman pose a threat to a male character? Could a woman pose a threat to a tiny bear?
Brave questions being asked. You, I agree, it does feel like yeah, and seeing that dynamic and not in like a sort of like fem fatale sort of way where it's like she's gonna fuck the protagonist and that's that's why she's the villain. Like I think there was a draft, um no, but yeah, I don't know. I think it.
It still has a ways to go, and they do give a lot of the focus to the male characters of the franchise, but they also I want It's like, are we rating this against the average movie or we rating it against like the idea of a perfect film. Oh man, I think like five is like our perfect Yeah, then I think of three. It's like it does a little bit better than the average film does. But I also think it has some glaring things where like still
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I'll be at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival all of August doing my show Boss Whome Is Girl, So if you're around there, perhaps there'll be some Bite tal cashas as well. We don't know. Oh yeah, we're working on it. That's a tease. I'm gonna go to Paddington Station while I'm there. I'm just gonna roll around on the ground. So I'm just gonna soak it up here, and then someone's going to show up and be like, we've got to adopt this Adora woman. I'm like, please look after this woman,
and then someone will take me home. So yeah, look out for all of that. And thanks for listening everyone. Thank you for indulging me and letting me do this Paddington episode. It was a gift. I had such a great time and I love these movies so much. Okay, bye,